Open Post | Monday, Jun. 15th

Image of Quinn Mittermeier via Scout

Tre Jackson: You may recall this past spring Oklahoma offered 2016 CB Tre Jackson (5’10” 178 – Baton Rouge, LA). I caught up with Jackson recently, who said he definitely wants to take a trip to OU this summer. He is trying to get up to Norman before the dead period (Jun. 29th – Jul. 12th).

Jackson says he would like to get his commitment out of the way early and expects to make a decision at the end of this summer. – (Super K)

Quinn Mittermeier: I wanted to give you a little more information about OU’s most recent commit. Unfortunately we have not been able to review any of his game film, but I have spoken to someone who has seen him many times. This person told TFB that Mittermeier has all the makings of a left tackle, and the potential power of a right tackle. He’s a legit 6’5″ with great feet and athleticism.

Mittermeier was actually a qualifier out of high school, who just went under the radar. He received significant playing time as a freshman this past fall at Butler CC due to an injury on their offensive line. And it’s important to note Butler CC plays against plenty of defensive linemen who go on to play at major FBS programs. So while OU is getting a young player with four years left to play three, they’re also getting a guy who has seen some live fire action against pretty good competition and held up well.

I once asked a friend of mine about the style and work ethic of the various coaches on the Oklahoma staff. And when he described Bill Bedenbaugh, he said the OU o-line coach is one of the hardest working guys you’ll come across. He spends many a late night reviewing film. My friend also said Bedenbaugh is the kind of guy who regardless of the circumstances, he will succeed by sheer will and determination.

Mittermeier, to me, is just another example of Coach Bedenbaugh making absolutely certain he will have the depth and talent on the offensive line not only this year, but in the years to come as well. – (Super K)

– Team News | Size and Speed: In this past weekend’s Open Post, I mentioned that Dahu Green and A.D. Miller were starting to flash in some of the team’s 7-on-7 offseason workouts. I talked to a friend who reinforced that position saying both OU freshman wide receivers are ‘extremely fast.’

I was told Green ran a 40 in the high 4.4’s and that Miller is blazing fast and put up a time in the low 4.4’s. Both seem to have the right work ethic and attitude, while also bringing a type of size and speed that isn’t currently on campus. I was also told both Green and Miller are doing a better job getting off the line than some of the older, bigger guys were doing at the same time in their freshman year.

Now it’s obviously very early but when you start hearing certain names repeated from multiple sources, you start to think there really could be something more than just talk. Similar to how we kept hearing Samaje Perine’s name last year, or even Dede Westbrook’s name this spring. It’ll be interesting to see their development continues as the summer progresses and into fall camp. One thing is for sure given what we’ve been led to believe with regards to Lincoln Riley’s offense, there should be no shortage of opportunities for OU wideouts to see the field.  – (Super K)

– Ricky DeBerry: Believe the lone member of OU’s 2015 signing class — barring whatever the heck is going on with Dalton Wood, of course — who had yet to arrive on campus has now done so.

240 Comments

  • j l says:

    1st? boomer

  • cush creekmont says:

    SOONER!

  • Corey Muller says:

    It’s good to hear that we are seeing flashes of WR talent this early on. I wonder how Riley feels about the results of these 7 on 7 practices? Excited no doubt!

  • cush creekmont says:

    Super K – If you get any snippets of QM, could you post? Thanks.

  • Coach K says:

    Dahu green is fast but after watching him in track I know he doesn’t run a 4.4. He is really fast and I am not knocking him. This is more of a statement about 40 timing at Ou. I am starting to believe it less than high school football coaches and kids.

    • Clint Lenard says:

      Pretty sure OU only uses laser times, but I could be wrong. But this is no different than when people said Kenny Stills and DeMarco Murray weren’t that fast either…then they went to their combines and people acted surprised.

      • Coach K says:

        did you see what Kenny and Murray ran at Ou when timed? It was listed much faster than what they ran at the combine.

        If anyone said those two guys were not fast they don’t have a background in sprinting.

        Dahu is 6’5 and is a long strider. The 40 isn’t his friend and that is why he struggled in starts.

        As I said I am not knocking him and may have a little more background knowledge than you do because of access.

        • Zack says:

          I can almost guarantee stills ran a better 40 at the combine than he did at OU. He ran a 4.38 at the combine and no one really raved about his 40 time when he was in college.
          Murray though obviously lost a step after the injury but was still a sub 4.4 guy.

          That said when they do time these guys later this summer, I bet both will be around 4.55. And I’m ok with that as long as they can read their routes.

      • Indy_sooner says:

        Not me. Stills was a blazer, always has. People wanted to hate on him because it’s convenient, or perhaps for flashiness (Which is BS IMHO) but I didn’t need a stopwatch to make that call.
        Murray, before the injury was fast freshman year. He lost a step after that injury it seemed.

      • KJ1123 says:

        Testing for freshman are hand timed. Not sure if that changes as upperclassmen get ready for the combine.

    • Super K says:

      The time I was told was a high 4.4…closer to 4.5. I will say though, the time surprised me as well because OUs times are fairly conservative IMO. But I’m told he’s playing fast

      • Coach K says:

        As I have said I am not saying he isn’t fast or that he isn’t good. I’m saying he doesn’t run a legit 4.4.

        I have never known Ou to be conservative on their times unless it has changed the last two years.

        • Ed Cotter says:

          4.4, 4.5….what’s the difference? About 1 inch. I’ll take the 6’5″ guy that runs a 4.5 over the 6’0″ guy that can run a 4.4. We are also talking about a freshman (Green). Figure he will only get faster during his career.

          • Coach K says:

            1 inch? See I might just be talking with a crowd that doesn’t understand this stuff.

            It’s not biggie. You guys believe the times I will be skeptical.

            Obviously you didn’t read the post where I posted I wasn’t saying he wasn’t fast enough but reading the whole thing and understanding it takes longer than a quick response.

            It’s all good guys. He runs a 4.4
            With his ball skills he should play early and often.

          • Defend Colfax says:

            Don’t get all butt hurt, It’s not like anyone is disputing facts. You haven’t posted any. It’s ok to have conflicting opinions.

          • Coach K says:

            Butt hurt? Haha okay.

            I realize I am not talking to guys who look at timing and running the same way I do. A guy tells me the difference is one inch so I know this.

            It isn’t a big deal. I will leave it at that. You guys believe I am skeptical on timing. No biggie.

          • Soonerfandave84 says:

            Everyone should be skeptical on 40 times, thats because you see a kid on other sites who runs a 4.38 in HS but really only runs a 4.51 on his best day.

          • Defend Colfax says:

            http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/2010/8/24/1648344/ou-football-releases-strength-and

            Jonathan Nelson and Kenny Stills tied for fastest times at 4.40..

            He ran what at the NFL combine? 4.38? Oh, that good ol Oklahoma exaggeration…

            Shout out to Esco

          • Coach K says:

            Sounds good.

            You use websites to get your numbers. Another example of what I mean.

          • Defend Colfax says:

            From SoonerSports the official site. You stated that OU exaggerates, so I found an OU listed number, an official OU listed number and compared it against the NFL combine listed number. I don’t see what the problem is?

          • Coach K says:

            Ok last time I post.

            You get numbers from an Internet site not the actual coaches office or out at practice.

            Second Bic Harris ran a 4.55 at Ou. Let me know how he did at the combine. There are examples both ways.

            I won’t continue this discussion and take up a lot of the site comments. Better things to discuss.

            Boomer sooner.

          • Zack says:

            40 times are the most over rated “event” if you want to call it that. There’s too many factors and the biggest factor to me is that its a track stance that you only see from DE’s and they are in 2 oz of clothes compared to what 25 pounds of pads and a helmet on game day?

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            The 40 is a measurement of maximum performance. Everything at the combine is.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            You keep saying he didn’t run a comparable time at the NFL combine as OU said he did at OU. OU said he ran 4.4; NFL said he ran 4.38.

            Pretty comparable to me.

            So now you’re saying the NFL combine published results are not the real NFL combine results?

            I’m confused, Coach. How is it that you’re substantiating that OU
            exaggerates the 40 times?
            From what I’ve seen, OU players tend to run pretty close to their “OU” times, at the combine. Anyone who has run knows that your best times will come after a period of serious sprint training and adequate rest from last training. I ran track in HS, and I ran a lot better at the end of the season, then the beginning.
            So combine times as comparison will vary depending on the athlete’s preparation for the 40.
            OU tends to time them at the beginning and end of periods of training with Schmitty. So their published OU times will tend to be those at the end, and will be pretty good. If the athlete in question prepares for the combine, like Schmitty would prepare them, they run close the same times, as near as I can tell.
            Perhaps you have evidence to the contrary, but I’ve not seen it yet.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            fwiw, I think most of us are skeptical. recent history has forced us to be, IMO.

            but we’ve decided to still present the info we’re able to track down and leave it up to you all to decide how much stock you choose to put in it.

            or at least that’s how I’m approaching things anyway.

          • Ed Cotter says:

            So what is the difference between a 4.4 and 4.5 in length Coach K….a foot? 3 feet? I just don’t see why anyone wants to get upset about a freshman running a 4.4 or a 4.5. He should get faster after working with Schmitty and the weight staff. Yes?

        • Super K says:

          I agree. I would never have pegged him as a 4.4 guy. I always felt OU was fairly conservative compared to other schools. Just seeing guys testing numbers at other schools, I’d think “either they have way better athletes or OU tests conservatively”. I saw the db numbers last yr and they were not good.

          • Ed Cotter says:

            Super K, what is the distance between a 4.4 and a 4.5 in the 40? In inches or feet.

          • RocketCitySooner says:

            The difference is about 3 feet. The guy who runs the 40 (120 Feet) in 4.4 seconds averages 27.2727 FPS. The 4.5 guy averages 26.6667 FPS. In 4.4 seconds, the first guy has run 120 feet and the other guy has only run 117.333 feet, a difference of 2.7 feet.

            This analysis has all the problems associated with averages. The 4.4 guy could have posted a lower time because of better initial acceleration and the 4.5 guy could actually be moving faster at the finish line.

            You can drown while crossing a river with an average depth of six inches.

          • Ed Cotter says:

            Thanks Rocket City. I didn’t think it was that far apart, but at least you were able to give me some math to show me. Much appreciated.

          • RocketCitySooner says:

            Used to be a rocket scientist before I retired.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Hey, if you are in Huntsville it is rocket science.

          • EasTex says:

            True. The NHRA times races at intervals. The car with the fastest start isn’t always the fastest at the end.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Hmm, Rocket City Sooner, math I smell an enginerd.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            Right. So get to work on the derivatives…we’re waiting.

          • RocketCitySooner says:

            Derivatives?
            Don’t think so.
            I’m retired.
            I don’t want to do derivatives.
            You can’t make me.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            Other schools? You mean like Florida? They were consistently accurate in their lowering of everyone’s 40 time by .02 seconds.

            http://www.gatortailgating.com/images/heavener2/n2062989_54753855_5839433.jpg

        • cush creekmont says:

          The HS and the RATING outfits post these very low times. Kenny Stills’ HS 4.40 looks pretty close to his 4.38 combine, but it might still have been exaggerated and he worked it down to the 4.38 while at OU.

          http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/3/1/4038740/2013-nfl-combine-high-school-40-yard-dash-times

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Right now a much bigger concern is whether we have a QB that can accurately get the ball to him whether he runs a 4.4 or a 4.6.

    • Sooner 4Ever says:

      Coach K, I just want to say you’re doing a great job. Condescending to other people and telling them they don’t know as much as you because you are the all-knowing Coach K without backing that up with anything concrete… I can’t understand how you’re having trouble getting through to them. Condescension is a great tool to get through to people.. maybe if you use it a little more your results will improve. Keep going, you’re on the right track.

      • Coach K says:

        You are right.

        Need to find a better way to convey my thoughts.

        Probably should have said I don’t think he is that fast but if he is look out defenses.

        • Sooner 4Ever says:

          You just came off pretty high handed there for a while. I agree with you that OUr player’s purported 40 times have been considerably lower, in some cases, than what said player ran when tested at the combine or elsewhere. And having ran track and XC in high school, I know that people who are involved in track have a better understanding of the intricacies of sprinting and the difference on the track between a 4.4 and a high 4.5.

          Maybe if you talk across to people and share your insights versus talking down to them without explaining your viewpoint, you’d have gotten a better response and been a resource to others who, most likely, do not have the depth of sprinting knowledge that I presume you do.

  • KJ1123 says:

    Heard that a 2015 signee that just got there has a serious pre-existing ailment. Not a good start put hopefully the OU staff can get him ready for fall camp.

  • Sooner Ray says:

    Welcome mr. DeBerry.

  • BoomerDave says:

    I think I read somewhere that the NCAA has eased some of their restrictions on coaches being able to attend and coach at some of these 7 on 7 summer workouts. Is this true? If so, perhaps Simmons and Gundy are getting some early work in with these young WR’s and aiding in their progress

    • Super K says:

      They do get a few hrs now in the summer but I believe last yr coach Stoops said they’ll use them in the film room more to help ensure people are more assignment sound

      • Travis Coyle says:

        My dad drives by the stadium while working and tells me he sees them out there doing their 7 on 7s.

      • BoomerDave says:

        Thanks for the info, I have a follow up. Do you know if the number of coaches who can work with the players is limited, or can the entire staff. I guess where I’m heading is could Gundy work with the WR’s in the film room and Simmons with them on the field. If you know?

        • Super K says:

          Good question. Not sure. But I believe the hours are limited regardless and I think maybe they feel those are best used studying film. But again, not sure super certain on a lot of this stuff 🙂

        • Bob Edwards says:

          The hour limit is for the player and not the coach. The rules allow them to require up to eight hours per week of summer activities and can include conditioning, weight training and up to two hours of film study per week.

  • Jake says:

    Team Notes are the best. Love getting a sneak-peak of who’s standing out.
    Keep ’em coming TFB, great work!

  • rphokc says:

    tfb…….a few days ago, there was mention of a discussion on who the best olineman in ok is but no name was offered………..also, is bb after any more okla linemen………lastly, is the one going to tcu a lost cause……….thxs

  • Jdizzle says:

    Kind of funny how peopel were surprised DeBerry was the last recruit in…I know that the East Coast school (high school and lower) start a month after Oklahoma schools start, and end about 3 weeks to a month after Oklahoma schools end.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      I mean I can’t speak for others, but I don’t know that anyone was necessarily surprised per se. I think just happy he is now there (not that his arrival was really in question tho).

      • Jdizzle says:

        You are probably right. I just remember seeing somewhere people were wondering why he had not gotten to OU yet, even so far as to doubt him coming at all. Maybe surprised was the wrong word. But I do understand why, since they had seen all these other recruits come in, but not him.

      • Ed Cotter says:

        Some of it depends on the school, some depends on the kid. Ykili Ross, who OU was recruiting for this incoming class reported to USC a week before his HS class graduated. I know this because I was at his send off BBQ the day before he left. He was able to take his finals early at Riverside Poly (3.5gpa BTW) and wasn’t going to attend his graduation. Could be that DeBerry wanted to take part in Grad, Sr. Trips, etc. Bottom line is he is now in Norman.

    • Sooner 76 says:

      See my post above. He only graduated on Saturday and already is in Norman.

      Virginia HS starts AFTER Labor Day and finishes mid-June.

  • EasTex says:

    It never ceases to amaze me that in this age of instant communication a kid with Div 1 ability can go unnoticed. I’ll be pulling for QM and hope he has a great Sooner career.
    Thanks for the insider notes about the new guys, Super K.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      lotta kids out there, but I completely get what you’re saying

    • KJ1123 says:

      Tons of kids, especially kids who may be late bloomers. Some of the free camps like the Nike regionals have SOO many kids that won’t get looks but could develop into great D-1 players. So much has to happen and so many variables, it really sucks when those kids go unnoticed.

      • blaster1371 says:

        Then again if you look at all,the OU starters from last season they were all highly sought after prospects. Nila probably being the lone exception.

    • blaster1371 says:

      I would think the big guys take a little longer to both develop (talent/skill catches up,with size) and learn to play against other big guys.

  • soonerborn says:

    Did I miss that Kellen Diesch committed to the pigs? We keep losing out of OL to them. What’s the deal there?

    • Thomas Lenard says:

      Coach Bielima knows a thing or two about O-line and Arkansas is going to be a power running team, some O-line prefer to run block over pass blocking.

      • blaster1371 says:

        I was about to say the same thing. Add to your comment that Bielima has a respectable number of his players from Wisconsin in the NFL.

      • Soonerfandave84 says:

        If you’re an OL or RB, Arkansas has to be an option….Yuck I felt dirty typing that

        • Jed says:

          Oh, don’t. Just think of what heart ache and disruption they are potentially going to wreak in the EssEEEEEEEEEEECeeeee.

          • Soonerfandave84 says:

            I can’t, im friends with a few of them. They win one game and they are better than the Patriots and Seahawks

          • Jed says:

            True, but they do hate Texas.
            And that counts for something.

      • rphokc says:

        also, his ol coach, pittman, is very good at coaching/recruiting…he was after barnett last yr ’til they got tired of the bs with him

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Posted it yesterday in an update to the wknd OP, fwiw.

  • Mr. Jones says:

    I’m kind of mixed on how I feel about O-line recruiting this cycle. On one hand, I have complete faith in BB as he has more than proven himself. On the other, we have one commit and and one recruit (Parker B) offered that we hear positive news about on a consistent basis.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      While I get that to some extent. Guys like Trent Williams and Lane Johnson weren’t highly recruited guys(one was a JUCO QB). BB will keep churning out talent, even if rivals/247/scout don’t see them as 5* kids

      • blaster1371 says:

        I’m with you in this. So many of the good o-lineman were guys that just worked themselves into being good. If the players are smart, develop sound fundamentals and work well together than the o line unit should produce results.

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          Yep, everyone wants Orlando Pace, but truth is guys like him are just that rare(tho Im not sure about what he was rated either)

      • Mr. Jones says:

        I agree and I’m sure it will end up being a strong class. It’s just weird not being in the thick of things for more of them at this point.

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          No doubt, I have a wait and see attitude with OL and DL guys, most of the time it takes them 2-3 years in a collegiate weight room to fill out

    • Defend Colfax says:

      2015 we signed 5 OL, 4 being 4 stars and one being a 3. It’s always gonna be hard to compare to that.

    • Cam says:

      To go along with what Colfax said, we had a great class last year and we aren’t taking as many recruits this year, so it looks like Coach B is taking his time evaluating and focusing his energy on a select few.

      • KJ1123 says:

        Right, I think there something like 18 guys on the Roster this year, losing only 3 going into next year most likely. The biggest need was the 2015 class because of all the guys we were losing. I think were on a good pace at OL for 2016.

    • Jed says:

      Roberson and Mittermeier committed this weekend and Parker is still sitting on an offer. Is one of the former a 2017?
      With 8 months to go ’til signing day, and with this class expected to be smaller than last year’s, it doesn’t seem to far ‘behind’ to me.

      • Mr. Jones says:

        I believe Mittermeier is classifying as a 2015 kid. I don’t necessarily think we’re behind per se, just doesn’t seem like we’re “in on” a bunch of guys like we were last year. Probably due to not taking as many commits this year, as Cam pointed out.

  • Soonerfandave84 says:

    Thank you sir! Big guys at WR with speed and the power to break the press…Sign me up. Pretty much forces a secondary to keep the FS back at all times. That should help Samaje and co.

  • blaster1371 says:

    I am going to let the pessimistic side of me come through: of freshmen WRs are looking really good what does that say about the DBs? One would think the hand checking from a player who has been in OUs strength program could contain a WR who is less than a month out of high school.

  • OceanDescender says:

    Maybe Dahu can just put a door mat on the Sports Center top ten and call it home.

  • Sooner 76 says:

    DeBerry is late because his HS class only graduated on Saturday. He didn’t waste any time at all getting to Norman after graduating. Looking forward to seeing him at least on ST this fall.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      See, now, I HATE when they waste a year for a kid only playing them on STs. But that’s just me.

      • Sooner 76 says:

        I hear you loud and clear, but they like to play freshmen if they see them starting the next year. How many guys played only one series at the end of a blowout and wasted their RS?

        OTOH, most of the players WANT to play as a freshman.

  • Stephen says:

    Dahuuuuuuuuu

  • KJ1123 says:

    OU’s 2016 5 WR set….Mead, Green, Miller, Westbrook, Todd….that’s a nice little intramural hoops team.

  • SamSooner says:

    I thought about this over the weekend. Just sharing some of what I’m thinking, as this is one person’s opinion:

    While the media will say Bob is on the hot seat in 2015, deserved or undeserved, it is
    not a good reason for anyone who roots for OU to take the bait. I’m sure we will hear it if OU struggles this season. I will not be one of fans to hitch my wagon that mess.

    I like Bob Stoops, In fact, there are several reasons no one should be calling for Bob to
    be fired, no matter what happens in 2015. In my opinion, Bob Stoops is exactly
    why recruits should choose to come to OU. While recruits seem to be looking what’s
    trendy, tradition and winning championships matter. Quite possibly the most important
    thing to consider is the behavior(s) of who’s at the helm should matter as much
    as anything. There are some classy coaches out there but Bob is on the top of
    that list. Parents, if you care about your children playing for a coach who has
    great character, then let them play for OU.

    Here are five reasons why we should give Bob our unconditional support:

    (1) Bob Stoops is honorable.

    Bob has honored a four-year ride to kids who’ve had their football career end due to
    injury: Corey Wilson and Laith Harlow come to mind. It’s important to be at the full 85-scholarship limit for no other reason than creating both depth and getting as many good athletes as you can. However, despite that importance of having as many abled bodies on scholarship, Bob honors his agreement to kids who will never contribute on the field. The players committed to Bob and he’s committed to them.

    We’ve heard of several reports of coaches who’ve pulled offers at the last minute or ask a
    player to grey-shirt. Given the pressure he has to win, integrity is at Bob’s core. Integrity, to Bob, is more important than winning.

    Here’s the link to the full article on Harlow http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-20/oklahoma-stoops-honor-harlow-scholarship-after-career-ending-injury and here’s the opening graph: “Laith Harlow has to walk away from football. But
    Oklahoma and coach Bob Stoops is not walking away from one of its prized
    recruits.”

    (2) Bob is not afraid of competition.

    Long before it became a prerequisite to schedule tough non-conference games, Bob did. He
    wants to win but he wants those wins to have substance. But it doesn’t stop there; he gives his former players a full releases without restrictions. If I were a recruit, I would be thrilled to know that my former coach doesn’t care where I go if I transfer out of his program. That kind confidence is why Gundy was able to tell Adrian Peterson “we’ll win with or without you.” That’s a powder keg of a statement because A.D. could have chosen Texas but Gundy seem to care.

    (3) Bob cares for his players.

    This is related to item number two: Not only does Bob give his former players a full
    release; he helps them find a landing spot. He wants them to have the best opportunity to succeed in life, on and off the field. If the NFL is their goal, he wants them to get the best coaching and get the most exposure they can get in order to fulfill their dream. If that
    means playing in the ACC, SEC, B1G, PAC 12, or even the Big XII, so be it. Let’s put this in perspective: Bob is willing to stack the roster for Texas, Baylor, TCU, who he plays ever year, or another Power 5 team that he might face in a National Championship game. He’s willing to do it if it means a player now has the greatest chance for success.

    (4) He doesn’t give up on players.

    Proverbs 3:12 says, “For whom the LORD loves he corrects.” I think that verse applies to Stoops. Bob doesn’t toss kids aside. As a parent, that resonates with me. He has a
    reputation for fairly and swiftly carrying out disciplinary action. He’s teaching and he wants his players to know there are consequences to their actions. Once you’ve been disciplined, we’re not discussing your past actions; we’re moving on but you will have to win your spot back. Lynn McGruder, Dusty Dvoracek, Joe Mixon, Frank Shannon, and DGB are examples we are all familiar with. Everyone will make mistakes; everyone deserves to learn, grow, make amends, and then contribute to society. Bob makes it easier for them to forgive themselves.

    (5) He runs a clean program.

    Bob does not cheat when it comes to recruiting. He operates above board. TFB has posted
    quite often that Bob’s staff does not pressure recruits to commit. They don’t threaten to pull offers of recruits committed to OU if they continue to take official visits. While it is my belief that OU loses out on some recruits because coaches at other programs use negative tactics against Bob’s staff, Bob will not go down that path. He believes he can get it done with whom he has. And damn it, he got it done once and he’s come close on three other attempts.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      a bad year in ’15 puts him on the hotseat for 2016 IMO

    • Exiled In Ohio says:

      I’m also a big BS fan. One thing I would add to (3) above: he works hard to place kids in the NFL. He gives them realistic advice about leaving early, and provides every chance for them to get drafted.

      I know you were just addressing intangibles, but we also gotta add: he’s got the best winning percentage over the past 15 years. And we need to remember that he didn’t inherit a program that was already on a roll; he inherited a program on the ropes.

      Watch OU rack up 11 or more wins this year, and all this noise about BS should go away.

      • SamSooner says:

        Exiled, those are very valid points. I should have included the how he works with the NFL Advisory data. Winning percentage matters and I could have included that as well.

        I’m like you, no one should be surprised if OU wins it all in 2015.

    • BleedCrimson says:

      I agree, Bob is a stand up guy, in a throw away world. Class act. A kid could do a lot worse than adopted by Bob, in fact, can not think of anyone better for a kid first away from home.

    • BoomerDave says:

      Great post!

    • EasTex says:

      Well said, bruh.
      As a man, there is no coach out there I would rather have at OU and I’ve see them all come and go since Bud.

      • SamSooner says:

        Thanks, EasTex. You can’t get that kind of value in a coach without taking a long time to learn about them. ADs aren’t afforded that luxury.

    • Jed says:

      Agreed pretty much across the board. What I would ask of him is that he holds his assistants to higher standards. He was a bit slow, in my personal opinion, to take the reins when the wagon started bouncing around these past several years.
      but, in the longer term, I’m not sure that’s more than a quibble.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        I think this was his loyalty out weighing his responsibility to his employer. He was loyal to his guys, but should not have been using OU’s money to help them out. Sometimes you have to fire a friend, if you are in business and they don’t work out. You can do it right and help them find someplace to land, but they still may need to be gotten rid of. Hopefully, Bob has that figured out now.

      • SamSooner says:

        This would have helped OU a lot earlier. Sometimes, set backs teach us more.

        • Jed says:

          I hope that it got Bob out of CEO mode and back into Coach mode. But only time will tell.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Wow. Great comments. Coaching is simply not just x’s and o’s. Great job. If people want Bob out after a sub par 2015, I ask who could replace him? You want to end up with an untried, unproven coach? Anyone short of Meyer or Saban, I’ll stick with BS thank you. Even with Saban and Meyer, we’d have to worry about illegal recruiting. But not with Bob.

      • SamSooner says:

        Thanks, D. It puts things in perspective. While I want the wins to keep piling up, his behavior is just as important to me.

    • rphokc says:

      “…. In fact, there are several reasons no one should be calling for Bob to
      be fired, no matter what happens in 2015”
      bs……..you can’t come up with any scenario? If the season just happened to be way uglier than last yr your above reasons would disappear. It wouldn’t matter to the fans who carry weight and to most of the posters here and maybe yourself. This isn’t a prediction, just your statement is from another reality.

      • SamSooner says:

        Is that BS as in Stoops or BS as in bull?

        RP, if Stoops violated some laws or University policies, yes, he could get fired.

        Based on wins and losses while considering the reasons above, which if they are being considered, means the person doing the hiring/firing is a rational individual, I don’t think he should.

        There are some people who won’t care because they would be looking at wins and losses. I’m not in that camp. There’s more to what makes a great coach than their win/loss record.

        • EasTex says:

          Too which Bob is OU’s winningest coach and has never had a losing season.

        • rphokc says:

          bs doesn’t stand for bobby and you confirmed your thoughts, so, there ya have it

        • SoonerLove says:

          I don’t think everything should be based on wins and losses, but Oklahoma has a lot of tradition and I don’t care if you’re the Pope, you have to earn your paycheck by winning in Norman, or else you’re gone. Sam, have we come to a non-competitive attitude where winning is just a plus? Bud and Barry built a tradition in Oklahoma to be a championship football team. I’m sorry, but I don’t agree that just because someone is a good guy and runs a clean program gives them a pass to go 2-10. I’m not saying Stoops has done that yet, but you are on the extreme side of things. It’s fans like you that will hold Oklahoma back from reaching it’s full potential. If you’re satisfied with just a clean program and 2-5 loss seasons every year (not to mention blow outs like Clemson and Baylor), than that’s your problem. I, on the other hand, want a clean program, and championship-level, competitive football every year. Sure, we may lose a couple games here and there, but at least make them come down to the wire and lose with dignity and fight. We need to be in the four team play-off and big-12 title hunt 3 out of every 4 seasons (sparing one rebuilding year) or there is major problems that need to be addressed and corrected. Just my opinion. Everyone has one I guess.

    • Slim Sooner says:

      Yes! Agree! Right on, SamSooner! Every single thing you just said!!!! God is great, Bob is good, and people are crazy.

      • SamSooner says:

        I think it’s important. Some kids are choosing schools for the wrong reason.

    • Sooner 76 says:

      This is why his fellow coaches voted Bob and Mark Richt as the coaches for whom they would want their sons to play.

      No higher compliment, IMO.

    • SoonerLove says:

      There are many coaches capable of doing all the things named above. I like Bob too, but does winning not play a factor? I think if all we look at his character and not winning, then why not keep John Blake in the late 90’s when he was let go? He was a stand up guy that had all the same characteristics that you mentioned above, but couldn’t get OU in the shape it needed to be in. I’m not saying that Bob can’t get OU back to that level, but if he can’t, we need to strongly consider a change.

      • SamSooner says:

        Blake proves my point. His personal constitution wasn’t strong enough. Look at what happened to him: he gave in to winning and lost his way until it became win at all cost. Stoops hasn’t did that. Stoops is the winningest coach in the past decade and he’s did it the right way. Sure, I want OU to win every game but I also don’t want the program to get tarnished. I think in the long run, Stoops will win 2 or 3 additional National Championships.

        In my opinion, we have to look at everything in its totality. If you place a premium on winning you will lose at somewhere else. OU has remained competitive. It’s because of Bob Stoops. He stays focused regardless of what’s going on around him. He doesn’t get sucked in. That’s why we’ve been told to walk out of a burning building and not run: if not, chaos ensues. Bob is walking while most of people are running around without a purpose.

    • vargo05 says:

      #NotOUGood

    • SavageSoonerEsq says:

      Has anyone gotten a quote from any OU coach as to whether or not he’s going to be offered by OU, and if not why?

      • Jordan Esco says:

        Coaches cannot mention recruits by name (it’s an NCAA violation), so it would be difficult to get said quote. And OU coaches would never explain themselves as to why they did or did not offer/recruit a kid.

        • SamSooner says:

          I don’t know how he Draper feels about not being offered but I certainly hope he will not make an emotional decision, should OU offer him later.

          • EasTex says:

            I have no idea why he hasn’t been offered, but trying to decide what I want for dinner tonight is far more important to me now than where he signs in 20 months.

          • SamSooner says:

            EasTex, that put things in perspective. I’m grilling tonight. Hamburgers made with ranch dressing, with pepper jack cheese, rubbed with bacon.

          • EasTex says:

            Oooo000oooH!
            I’m leaning towards Chinese, at the moment.

          • Jed says:

            If you like Asian at all, try some Chinese black bean sauce mixed in with the ground beef. Gives the meat a nice ‘dark smokey’ flavor.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Oh, yeah love me some black bean sauce.

          • SamSooner says:

            Okay. Good to know. I’ll have to try it.

          • Exiled In Ohio says:

            You hit all of the essential elements but the tater tots. You can substitute fried taters if you want. But it ain’t a meal without taters of some kind.

          • Exiled In Ohio says:

            My bad. I left out the mac food group. Definitely part of the well-balanced diet.

          • Jed says:

            Let’s compromise on the ‘pasta’ food group in general. And let me be clear that said group includes all global pasta forms, so ramen? You live in this tent.

          • Exiled In Ohio says:

            Ramen? You call that living?

          • Jed says:

            Good Ramen? Yepper! Nothing better on a cold damp night. (paired with a glass of shochu mixed with hot water and a mashed up sour pickled plum) I’d also include glass noodles, all the different forms of Asian wheat and egg noodles and all the dumplings as well.
            I’m an ecumenical foodie.

          • Exiled In Ohio says:

            Why is that hard? Beef, bacon, tator tots, cheese. As long as your meal contains these essential food groups, you will be in good shape.

          • EasTex says:

            It isn’t difficult, just pertinent and present. 🙂

          • cush creekmont says:

            All you guys have me dinner-ready and I’m still at work. But, I have smoked pork chops, BBQ beans, chips & salsa, AND in either order, an IPA beer and a summer beer – dang, now I did it to myself!

          • SamSooner says:

            IPAs are good.

          • BoomerDave says:

            Although I’ve been accused by someone on here of having an agenda concerning Draper, which I find a bit ridiculous since I’ve NEVER, EVER, NOT EVEN ONCE made a statement regarding Draper’s football abilities or lack of abilities, I’m about to make my first ever comment ever dealing with Draper, the football player. First off, the reason I have never made a statement or a judgment regarding Draper’s abilities is that I know I’m not qualified to do so. Watching someone’s Hudl Highlight Video offers no help whatsoever to me, because they all look great in their highlight films. Quincy Russell comes to mind. His highlight video made him look like Tommie Harris on steroids, but when he got here we discovered that his football IQ was “less than zero” and he never cracked the 3-deep depth chart at a time when we were paper thin at DL.
            With this in mind I called he only person I know from Collinsville on Sunday to get his opinion on Draper. He being a former coach I knew would have a more intelligent opinion than most. He told me that he watched him play 9 games last year and that Draper is a tremendous physical specimen and a great football player. His one knock on Draper is that for every good play he makes, he makes an equally bad one. He lines up wrong often, takes a lot of bad angles, over runs a lot of plays and fills the wrong gap on too many occasions. He said he improved slightly in his decision making from his FR year to his SOPH year. He says he can see why some colleges are offering him right away and why some are waiting to see improvement in the decision making department. He says physically, he could probably play D-1 right now. As to the mental side of the game, he has a ways to go. Again, these are not my observations as I said earlier, I lack the sufficient football knowledge to form an intelligent decision.
            My main thing when it comes to Draper and OU is what I’ve been saying all along which has gotten me accused of having an agenda, and that is that I am fine with OU wanting to see him play in person and to watch his JR film. I’m glad that they are actually studying his game film and not just his highlight tape. So perhaps I do have an agenda….and that is that OU do their due diligence on all of their recruits, not just Draper, and sign the very best class they possibly can.

          • rphokc says:

            interesting, thxs…….

          • SamSooner says:

            Nice insight. That’s good to know. Until EasTex revealed that he’s a 2017 recruit, I thought he was 2016 talent.

          • BoomerDave says:

            My post on Draper got deleted? Seriously? Wow, is all I have to say.

        • SavageSoonerEsq says:

          Yeah, I figured as much. Do you think OU ever offers? Do you think they like someone else more at that position?

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Yes, I do think they offer at some point. Would be pretty ridiculous not to at this point. As to whether or not that makes a difference, I couldn’t really say.

      • JD says:

        I fig he would have got offered had he came to the elite camp that he was invited to last week (went to kansas instead)…looks like a bad vibe between the two right now

    • Sooner Ray says:

      I’m speechless. 🙂

  • Stephen says:

    This is a joke. What do the coaches see that we don’t? Better question, FSU and Bama are both powerhouse programs who have been putting out first rounders the past few years so I trust they know talent when they see it. Are certain coaches on the staff unable to evaluate at the same level as FSU/Bama?

    • kokevo says:

      #FIREKISH! This is a joke guys.
      Or is it??????

    • Zack says:

      I think this is a matter of fsu and bama can make 2017 or even 2020 kids a priority if they want. OU does not have that luxury. They are trying to hit a home run in 2016 before worrying about 2017. Plus if kish would be his recruiter (and is on a short leash) do you really want kish building that relationship only to be fired? I think his offer will come as the 2016 class starts to commit and then the coaches will have over a year to try to land an instate kid. Which getting in on kids early isn’t always a guarantee that they will end up at OU look at Barnett and wariboko.

      • BoomerDave says:

        Great point regarding Barnett and Wariboko.

      • Stephen says:

        Good point, didn’t think of it from that perspective.

        • Zack says:

          Plus he may not want to go somewhere where it takes 2 flights to get home or a 10+ hour car ride. So I think OU is fine especially with the kind of reputation bob has, saban and fisher aren’t in bobs league as far as integrity.

      • JD says:

        I wasn’t aware that Kish was on a short leash

        • Zack says:

          Wasn’t everyone reporting/hearing he was going to be fired after nsd?

          • ND52 says:

            @disqus_cItxT0Z8XC:disqus

            I know a lot of us were hoping that he’d be fired.

          • JD says:

            No, that is what some fans were wanting…to them, they don’t like Bob bringing in people he knows and feels comfortable working with…fact is he has hired coaches he knows one way or another prob 99% percent of the time (and has had a pretty impressive run I must say)…the only “outsiders” I can think of are Leach Monty Martinez Cooks and Reynolds (prob missing a name or two)…IMO the prob on defense hasn’t been Kish…it was the DCordination (in this case Mike and Bob to a lesser degree)…Mike got demoted to DC only..they bring in a db coach and likely a better DL coach..but not recruiter…coaching will fix that fast…in the past Bob’s system of hiring has worked and he’s finally tweaked it a bit to get back to the roots…I think we’ll have a quick turn around myself

          • Zack says:

            All good points and I agree with most.

    • Eric Hoffpauir says:

      Not sure about FSU but Bama definitely offers more than we do. They also don’t hesitate to cut kids loose if they commit but the class fills up.

  • Boom says:

    Tre — sign him NOW. He’s to explosive. I’m on Tre’s team. Last year I was on LB Griffin’s team. I hope for different results.
    WR — 2 late WR additions at 6’5″ who can run under 4.5 and one was in Oklahoma. Now you know why we have Riley and Simmons. Geez, you can be an average QB and hit those wing spans.

  • Mustvid says:

    Good to see Alex get a cartoon character finally.

  • Mustvid says:

    Can we upload videos or just pics?

  • Zack says:

    I will say the longer OU goes and the more teams that offer, the more obvious it becomes.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Here’s how I feel. Whenever there is a kid in the state, any kid at any school, who is talked about as one of the best in the state at his position, he should be the staffs best friend early and often. Other programs should have to work hard to try and steal him away…….not the other way around.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Im just wondering if Levi has made it clear to the coaches that he doesnt want to go to OU and thats why theyre not offering. At this point its just kind of weird that we havent done so.

    • boomersooner says:

      Is that “HUGE” according to him? I don’t know many people crossing fingers waiting for Clemson to come calling

      • Look at who they have had drafted lately. Number 1 D last year in the country. Look st their re recruiting. Remember the bowl game.

        • PLAW0720 says:

          Meanwhile, Kish is still on the 19th hole.

        • pag says:

          I’m really tired of this whole ” our coaching staff knows better” mentality. Does this kid has to get 30+ offers from around the country to get an offer from OU … And about Clemson, only 2 defensive players on the 1st round of the draft this year.I mean those guys certainly don’t know what they’re doing …… Kish and Mike definitely know better

        • SamSooner says:

          Brandon, why is there so much hoopla over a kid who is a 2017 recruit? I mean, I get it somewhat. He does look good. But OU needs to continue focusing on its 2016 class.

          This is not at you but why should the coaching staff offer a kid because Alabama offered?

      • JD says:

        I’ve heard he has a pretty good relationship with BV…looks like BV couldn’t wait any longer with Bama and FSU jumping in

        • boomersooner says:

          That’s cool. Good for him. But if some kid were to say “I had my breakfast, now just waiting on my Clemson offer” or something like that, I would say that kid needs to get out more

          • JD says:

            I hear ya but I’m willing to give BV some props…after all he learnt from some pretty good coaches…couldn’t get it done consistently in the b12 doe

          • boomersooner says:

            I love him. And not a knock on him at all. Or Dabo. Just Clemson, in my mind, has a long way to go to be a “big boy”. They’re like Hardee’s to our McDonald’s

        • EasTex says:

          Yeah, but does he have an offer from Slippery Rock?

  • Thegunnfather says:

    You know who would be shocked if OU won the Big 12 and went to playoffs after last year? A: Not a person on the planet!

  • Dustin says:

    BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!

    • rphokc says:

      Congrats on your hawks, though I was really hoping for a gm 7. They beat some very good teams this yr and deserved it. That’s 3 cups in 6 yrs for, arguably, the most difficult professional title to win. The bolts are young and good and will make some noise the next few yrs, I imagine. Sad for end of season, will deal with withdrawal now. Here’s to next yr……….lgr

  • EasTex says:

    Hambone694 has come through for us Sooner fans yet again.
    https://youtu.be/L971-MaGlqM