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– Thayer Evans of Sports Illustrated is reporting that coach Josh Heupel is out at the University of Oklahoma. We have not been able to confirm this and, as I will explain below, do not expect to be able to.
– The three names we are hearing as possible candidates so far are Spavital (TAMU), Meacham (TCU) and Helton (WKU). The fact that we are mentioning names of candidates we have heard Oklahoma may be interested in isn’t a confirmation of Josh Heupel being out. We have simply been told that OU has been in contact with at least these three coaches. We know there has been a rumor that Spavital interviewed with Oklahoma yesterday and we can confirm that this is not true. However, that does not mean that an interview did not take place at some point prior. We can’t say one way or another.
– Those of you who follow our twitter account will recall this tweet from last week:
There is A LOT of smoke right now coming out of OU in RE coaching changes. Hearing things are happening as we speak.
— TFB Sooners (@TFB_Sooners) December 31, 2014
Since that tweet we have heard multiple names circulated as coaches who will be out or may already be out. However, throughout this we’ve tried to avoid posting unconfirmed information and certainly attempted to leave names of coaches out. But at the time the tweet was posted we had been told, in no uncertain terms, that unlike previous changes, where staff changes were made after signing day or were delayed significantly, the process had already been in motion and the changes were imminent.
You will recall that on December 17th in the Open Post we noted the following (here):
We got a tip last night that we thought y’all might find interesting. We’d normally put this information on TOP because it hasn’t been fully vetted just yet, but it does jive with some general things we’ve been hearing. Essentially, we were told that Bob Stoops and David Boren had a day-long meeting recently to discuss the concerns of fans and some of the major boosters regarding the current state of the football program.
We have been hearing for a while that changes to Stoops’ staff will happen, but nothing concrete has really developed to date. And until it does, we remain cautious with respect to whatever possible changes may or may not come. But this also isn’t the first time we’ve heard there are some concerns from inside the administration and, perhaps just as if not more importantly, from major boosters.
In other words, these changes have been brewing for a while and that note mentioned on the 17th certainly wasn’t the first word we had received that changes were on the horizon.
– Over the weekend it was circulating amongst the OU players that multiple coaches were let go. We attempted to confirm it from a well placed source and the source said, referring to the dismissals we attempted to confirm, “I have heard that but cannot confirm it at this time”. We were given names but we will leave those names out until they are confirmed.
– In the past day the athletic department has been locked down pretty tight in terms of information getting out. One of our sources inside the program said that a lot of people on the inside are as in the dark as a lot of people on the outside. Another source said that it was simply getting too tense to really talk about anything. We have tried to discern what exactly will be addressed in this mornings press conference with Bob Stoops but again it’s been very difficult to get more than educated conjecture even from people inside the program.
– There are a number of folks, including players who believe certain changes have already taken place. I will say that one of the people rumored to have been dismissed from his position, is still speaking to recruits. This may simply be because he will be reassigned. Again though, that information, while coming from people close to the program is not confirmed. That may sound peculiar since one would assume people inside the program would know, however this has been a unique time where, even people well placed within the program aren’t absolutely certain what exactly is going on.
So with all that said, we will continue to leave names out of the discussion unless names are reported by others, are announced or we have officially confirmed them ourselves but we certainly expect more names to come out shortly. Again, as a reminder coach Stoops will meet with the media today at 11 am and Brandon will be in attendance.
– UPDATE (8:19 am): As I mentioned above, we have heard that one of the offensive coaches OU has been in contact with is Jake Spavital from Texas A&M. If he is a serious candidate, we are not in favor of this hire. Spavital has had the help of far too many good offensive minds at TAMU too discern whether he truly is a great play calling OC. Additionally, I’ve been told that Texas A&M recently hired David Christenson from Utah in order to help Spavital. OU needs to get this hire absolutely correct and in our opinion there is too much risk surrounding that possible hire. Again, we don’t know what direction OU is going to go in but we would not be in favor of this hire.
– UPDATE (8:34 am): Josh Heupel has put out the following statement. Class move.
— Josh Heupel (@OU_CoachHeupel) January 6, 2015
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Stoops would be better served acting swiftly. Leaving things to speculation does more harm than good with regard to lack of clear direction of the program. Now is not the time for him to be arrogant
We were told last week that it wasn’t an option. The admin wanted it done soon.
I’ll bet they put BJW in an administrative role in recruiting. He’s old enough to be retired but it’s kind of like an old guy with money working at Home Depot just for something to keep him busy.
That has been what we’ve heard for a while but still no confirmation.
Even though he is old, kids love/relate with him — could still be an asset in recruiting – so some role in recruiting could be mutually beneficial.
Not to mention the relationships he’s developed over the years with TX high school coaches.
Steve Im not trying to be the bad man here, but we need new relations in Texas. OU will be fine with someone else.
Someone with a spark that will hit the road hard and concern himself with golf much later.
I hope the OU administration continues to use Merv on the radio broadcasts. He does a nice job and makes Rowland bearable……..
My vote for new OC would be Lincoln Riley.
That being said…if Heupel really is fired, I’ll always be grateful for his great QB play during the 2000 NC season. One of our program’s heroes getting canned after a failed OC stint is bittersweet: we all know we needed a change, just wish it would’ve worked out with Josh.
I wish him the best in the future. Here’s to the good times:
http://i.imgur.com/bCVJ1gm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5ai0F9a.jpg
I woulf hire Meachum first but yeah I have been saying Lincoln Rilet for awhile now. A Meachum/ Riley QB and WR duo would be legit. Riley would have to take a step back but he might do that for a big time program??
I know Spavital seems like he has been sureounded by huge offensive minds that have helped him but a Spavital/ Lincoln Riley or Meachum/ Lincoln Riley duo might be a homerun! But, I’ve had stupider ideas so…
If you’re truly cleaning house.. You have to go all the way.. Mike needs to go too..
Cant imagine Boren or anyone would be crazy enough to think whole sale changes on offence is going to fix everything. Our D was just as inconsistent as the O.
DOK is reporting that Huepel is fired.
http://newsok.com/report-oklahoma-co-offensive-coordinator-josh-heupel-fired/article/5382175
Their source is just the SI report. So nothing new.
thx
I feel for the coaches let go. These are men with families and im sure it isnt easy to overcome a blight on their resume. Best of luck to them.
K, can you speak to spencer tillman’s vague article recently? Are there really more stringent academic or political barriers that undermine OU and if so what are they exactly. He is suggesting that it is almost like the situation that coach K faces recruiting for Duke Bball but he didnt say anything substantive. Thanks always for the great info.
David Boren..
Since we have a guy in attendance, will there be a play by play here or just an update afterward?
My brother’s friend’s second cousins sisters boyfriends brother says shhh is hitting the fan in Norman. The entire coaching staff is shaking in their boots because Bob was acting out and looking mean. What could it all mean? Check back after 11 am…..
Who has a fan blowing when it’s this cold?
Buaghhaahaaa!
Since it was Evans who released the news of heupel, I will wait a few more hours to see what stoops says. I wouldn’t be surprised if true though.
Hoover has confirmed with his independent “sources”…
i.e., message board fodder
I had a dream stoops fired nobody except Monty…..lets just say I woke up in a cold sweat
I would have woke up in a pile of my own wet, hot feces.
That would be unfortunate
Isaac, you need to apologize to everyone here for having that dream. LOL!!!
LOL, that’s just wrong in so many ways!!
That’s why I have a “no men allowed” policy for my dreams.
It would be nice to believe that Bob would make these changes unprompted. It would be nice to believe that our experienced AD and boosters would not be swayed by public opinion. It would also be nice to believe that gold bullion will rain gently from the sky.
Ever so gently…
Or maybe just a mild monsoon over my back yard. Yeah, that would be perfect.
LOL. Mild monsoons are my favorite…
Is Spavital being considered solely to get Murray to flip?
that would not be smart
Of course not. That would be ridiculous to do.
No way. It’s not like the old days when Switzer would hire a kids high school coach for a commitment.
The more I hear about Spavital the more Im thinking….. Noooooo!
I want the right fit. He sounds like another JH.
I would like to see Robert Anae as OC. Even after Hill went down, BYU still kept their QB run game intact with Stewart and their offense didn’t get slowed down any. Plus, on the final scoreboard, they ate Texas alive the past two seasons.
They’ve got to have a shot at frost unless oregon plans a huge raise for him.
JH confirms on Twitter…
link it
@OU_CoachHeupel: http://twitter.com/OU_CoachHeupel/status/552471046004412416/photo/1
Wow, no thanks to coaches or admin in there- good luck Josh.
Cmon man!! This is for us fans, not to Bob/admin – whom he can talk to!
Easy now, it was just an observation, I’m not criticizing anyone/anything.
Link?
Yep just saw it
jh on twitter
Not in favor of Spavital either. He’s just too young IMO. It would be nice to bring someone in who could flip a top QB prospect with him.
Exactly no sense trading an OU legend who wasn’t ready to be OC for another guy who isn’t ready
….. you know that Spavital worked with Johnny Football and Geno Smith (both decent College QBs) and that he may actually carry Kyler Murray with him from A&M???
he can be the Co-OC but not playcaller
Class move on his part….and Bob’s.
Okay TFB, who is the new OC?
Good luck in all of your future endeavors JH, and thanks for helping win the 2000 NC.
Wonder if TU has hired a new OC yet?
I would be fine with Spavital/Helton if it is solely QB coach/ CO coordinator. Would rather have Meachem, Cumbie or Frost for OC. Spavital and Helton both QB coaches. Meachem is a WR coach.
If TFB is not fan of Spavital, neither am I. You guys know your stuff. With that said, I think Bob knows he has to get this right. I don’t see him going after Spavital.
Here’s what I believe: if Bob gets this right, OU will dominate in the near future. And by dominate, I mean multiple National Championships.
I’m telling you, the talent is here to do it and more is talent is coming in 2015.
What are the odds nick saban calls up heupel. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if an sec team took a chance.
Aim high with both coordinators. Get a big bag of cash and pursue Scott Frost and see if you can head off Durkin to Michigan. The latter is not final.
That’s one thing that OU will need to come to terms with. We will soon have to start paying top dollar to attract the right assistants. I don’t necessarily agree with throwing money every which direction, but the market is what it is. If we want the best, we’re going to have to start paying for it.
With a new OC, it will allow all the QBs, WRs, and RBs to get a reset and everybody will be equal. It will come down to who can learn the techniques and playbook and apply it in practice. This can be a good way to eliminate bad habits and weed out the guys who don’t have what it takes. It will be a serious competition in the spring no doubt.
good analysis…………..new blood in the coaching staff is usually a good thing for the reasons you mentioned. gets the players attention and helps identify those who need to be shown the door………Texas just did it and improved the 2nd half of the season up to the bowl game blowout……….
The plus side to JH no longer on the staff, OU has to hire a QB coach as well as an OC. I think Bob knows that both jobs for one person is too much. One will suffer, if not both.
JH will land on his feet. He is a good coach and a good person, he just wasn’t the guy for OC yet. Will forever be grateful for him guiding the Sooners back to a NC after the wasted 90’s.
I am personally hoping for Meacham. This morning I was hearing rumors of Magino coming back, but that would just be dumb. OU needs new blood.
Funny post on OUI. “The press conference, then, is to announce Bob’s dismissal of Boren, you think?”
the new OC will be whomever Boren likes best. He’s the guy in charge…..
BS
He will have an opinion I’m sure, but he won’t be who selects the new hires.
Any thoughts on why its so quiet on the defensive side of this?
gomer……….reckon nobody on the defensive side is leaving ??
needs to be
The word is “Patience”!
It’s not. We just can’t put anything out because it’s technically not “confirmed” but it’ll be out soon enough.
Interesting day in Norman…glad stoops is taking this seriously. .
Bob was on vacation while Rome burned. Higher ups said get off your ass.
Why isn’t Ed Orgeron part of the discussion?
he’s a hell of a recruiter. wouldnt mind having him as a position coach.
Is Ed “normally” a defensive focused coach?
That’s my understanding. And he recruits SoCal and the Deep South really well. Bring him in as DC/HC in waiting?
i can dig it
Well, there’s an old phrase for you.
indeed over 40 now, need to act my age and all
HC in waiting???? OMG.
Relax. It’s an idea…and I have no authority. Still, he’s been HC at Ole Miss and USC, albeit for short stints. And you might have to give him something like that to get him.
He’s definitely a name the LSU players have been hearing. Not sure if that means much but that’s what they’re hearing.
K, are you saying Orgeron to LSU or is he a possibility for OU?
haha I’m just saying I know some LSU players have been hearing his name for their program but don’t know what the chances are he ends up there. I have not heard his name connected to OU which doesn’t mean anything because I haven’t heard many names at all.
Thanks, K.
This is the best site ever. What’s more impressive is I don’t believe there is another program that has a website like this. Once again, Oklahoma is the maverick.
I’m going to miss first play dive up the middle for a 1 yard loss, 2nd play swing pass to the flat for two yard gain, 3rd and long man in motion, incomplete pass, punt.
You forget our patented ‘swing pass to the flat, PICK SIX’. If made all of the other team’s tedious 60-80 drive against a porous defense unnecessary.
We have quite a few a-holes masquerading as fans around here
Hilarious. The guy is fired and he posts a thoughtful goodbye, and the best reaction is a cliche critique of his play calling? Have some class.
Agreed. It’s painful in the “real” Sooner family.
Let’s also remember Josh Heupel playing through an injury at the end of the 2000 season, absolutely inspiring and leading OU to a title that nobody expected.
Did change make sense? Sure. Is criticism allowed? Of course. But comments don’t have to be snarky or personal. Plus, “critiques” like this have NOTHING original to say. It’s the same armchair analysis you hear from every “expert” in the stands. (“Throw it to the tight end!”……”Have some creativity!”) blah, blah, blah. The guy is a Sooner legend as a player, and things didn’t quite work out as an OC. Get over it.
What about a combo of 2 of Meacham/Helton/Spavital as Co-OC’s with positional responsibilities? Was that part of the problem with Heupel and Norvell?
No co’s has been the request by many. I don’t have a problem but only if it’s to help a coach out.
As long as Spavital isn’t the play caller, I’m fine.
have to disagree a bit, would rather see Lincoln Riley if you are going the co-route
Please no more co-coordinating-coordinators! Too many chefs in the kitchen caused foolish looking timeouts over and over.
Honestly always liked Heupel and all the coaches a lot (well except one). Just think it is time for a change. I think that was what was so frustrating about Stoops insisting upon having Heup, it turned him into a kind of villian for some Sooner fans (some of whom may not remember that magical season 14 years ago. Hopefully it will be beneficial to both him and the program.
Rarely does it work out when hiring a Sooner legend. Josh was not ready to be OC, Boo Blake was a terrible hire and Steve Owens was pressed into taking the AD job.
I liked Josh too, and as it has been pointed out, the O still averaged 36 pts a game, despite injuries to QB and his best WR. I do admit the playcalling at times had me scratching my head, but I’m not sure Josh was running the type of offense he wanted to run. I would have loved to have seen him stay on as QB coach or Co-offensive coordinator w/o playcalling duties.
I think Josh was a great in putting together plans. I think he struggled when things did not go according to plan. Seems to me that is a skill learned through experience. I don’t think he had a chance to get that experience before he was put into the spot light. Hopefully, Bob has learned that you are not always helping someone by giving them a job they are not ready for.
So true.
I do agree that it seemed that he at times was in over his head, which is why I thought pairing him with a seasoned playcaller would help, and let him coach up QBs.
Agree with both. Installing an offense he had no experience with, an inconsistent QB and lack of WR development and he did not have the experience to make in-game calls and adjustments. Good guy and will be a good OC in the right offense.
I think we’re finding out why it was leaked last week why only Gundy, Monty and Billy B were considered safe.
Tell me again why Bedenbaugh is safe.
https://twitter.com/TyDarlington56/status/552480301302423552
Who is this?
Ty Darlington
I knew the face, but couldn’t put a name to it
Thanks…
Read his instagram post.
This is something all the fan base needs to read and consider. We can ask for change without attacking the people who have put a lot of their life into something they care as much about as we do.
Very classy. Thanks, Ty.
Real talk…
My vote for new OC (not that it matters really) would be for Scott Frost or Lincoln Riley. Now back to your normally scheduled programming…..
I really like what I read about Lincoln Riley. Plus he’s young with something to prove. My concern with some of the others (Meachem, Spavital, maybe even Frost) is that a great QB can really make an OC look good. Riley is doing it at East Carolina! Since I have no vote, I’ll cast it for Riley.
https://twitter.com/DaveSittler/status/552481484653989888
well good for ol’ Joshy, fresh start for all involved
Now once we get Kish and BJW out we’ll have 2 open slots on each side of the ball. That’s a lot of potential….
I know the prevailing thought is that BJW will be the guy kept in house and the rest let go. But does anybody think there’s a chance that Mike will be the guy kept around in another position, such as recruiting coordinator or operations?
hope not, but this is becoming the ” The Days of Sooner ” soap opera so anything is possible
Thanks Josh for your contributions to OUr school. Not everything can work out perfectly. This OU grad thanks you and wishes you the best going forward!
Abigale Ogle tweeted that KOCO.com and KOCO mobile app will be carrying the press conference live. Also free live stream from SoonerSports.tv
SSTV will stream it just like every other presser this year. Will be free as well, fwiw.
Yep, I edited that in right after posting.
According to the A&M board, they are hoping we do take Spavital. That alone should be a red flag.
never trust an aggie in any way ….ever.
They are mad at the lack of a running game. So we’ll see how that plays out.
If they hire him, I do not want him to be the play caller.
What Meacham did at TCU was impressive. Also, at OSU their offense has always been a good one. He seems to bring a lot of options in his bag.
Have heard it was more Cumbie than Meacham. Anyone hear anything out of TCU about this? Was thinking Meacham, too, until I heard this.
Heard during the bowl game that Patterson mandated the addition of the ZR for this season. Not sure who was responsible, but Cumbie is a complete Air Raid guy, so maybe Meacham brought this aspect.
Makes total sense with Cumbie’s lineage. So Bob wanting to go ZR would perhaps have the right guy if he went with Meacham.
Curious of Spavital were to come, if Kyler Murray would follow him.
Super K, who would be your choice OC and DC?
Like many OU fans were to LSU boards about Mike.
Well, I wish Heupel luck wherever he ends up, but this is a needed change.
On side note Manny DIaz new DC at Miss St?!?!? Did i miss something? In what way does that sense? I know he has some history with the program, but…… I just don’t get it. Well, at least he wont be on OUr team
Isnt it MichSt? Ya, seems like a step down from Narduzzi to Diaz!
Used to coach Miss. State before Texas snagged him. Was widely considered the best defensive coach in the SEC at the time.
In a perfect world, Heupel finds a great opportunity, hones his craft, and eventually comes back to us one day a polished and seasoned coordinator. I’m a firm believer in not burning bridges. Hope this one hasn’t been blown to pieces.
Nicely said.
Scott Frost from Oregon???
not sure why he’d leave oregon for the same position here, but i’d be happy to take him if we could get him.
Money, possibly. Heupel made more than Frost did.
I’m sure Oregon would match any offer if they wanted to keep him. It’s not like Phil Knight isnt willing to open up the checkbook for them.
Yes they could, BUT….looking at their salaries they don’t.
Also, it’s a VERY expensive place to live. Property is close to california expensive, and they have many, many laws that make most of everything else cost more too. You can’t fill your own car up with gas. A “certified” gas boy HAS to fill your car, all plastic filled foods have a deposit, etc etc. Beautiful, but you pay a lot for that beauty.
Bob is paying Mike $850,000 so the money is there if they want to spend it. Also per USA Today the OU staff is the fifth highest paid staff in the country.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
I believe the HC may still call the plays there but not for sure. I know Kelly did but I would like him for his knowledge. Everyone is mentioning Meachum from TCU, I think that guy would stay at TCU with everything they have coming back for next year. They seriously have a shot a winning a NC next year and if he stayed and was part of that could have a Heisman QB under him as well
Yeah, I don’t think he’d leave Oregon, either. OU could try slapping him with a coach in waiting tag, but that seems to cause more headaches than long term solutions, with the exception of Jimbo FIsher.
We need to also remember that Frost has only two years as an offensive coordinator he was WR coach at Oregon prior to the 2013 season. Sonnie Cumbie has the same amount of experience as a co-OC. Ditto Jake Spavital.
Meacham has a wealth of knowledge as an OC (23 years). Also it is reported by Kentucky sources that Mark Stoops is putting the rush on Lincoln Riley after losing his OC to the head job a Troy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Frost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Cumbie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Spavital
http://www.kentucky.com/2014/12/16/3596827/john-clay-coordinators-college.html
I would like that, BUT…..in Oregon’s situation it would seam a little low class or in bad taste to try and talk to a guy who’s 6 days away from playing for a NC, so I wouldn’t think that he’s been contacted.
Yeah, it’d be next week
If that were the case, I believe that it will not be him then. I believe they would not be making the announcement without a replacement.
I agree, but I don’t think Stoops will have replacements announced today but maybe I’m wrong
Well considering OSU’s O-coordinator has already accepted the head job at Houston, I don’t think it’s as uncommon as we might think. And who knows, he maybe have already been reached out to prior to the Rose Bowl. However, I tend to think that Oregon could match an offer so why make a lateral move.
might have*
Same thing happened with Mike Stoops when he left the first time. I’m not against it at all. No reason to put the world on hold because someone is playing for a natty. There’s too much work to be done!
My best regards to Coach Heupel and his family. I will be eternally grateful for his NC season with OUr Sooners. I wish things had gone differently both for he and the program. God bless and may the future bring good fortune to you and yours. I tip my cap to you.
And his 14 foundation….
We’ve only heard Spavital, Helton, and Meachem right?
https://twitter.com/kp_projectt/status/552486611628597248
THESE are the kind of kids that this program needs…
I would speculate that this kid will be successful, in whatever he focuses on, no matter what the situation.
Bring that attitude and swagger with you, young man…and let’s hope it’s contagious.
He will be successful at a lot of things … most hopefully his English 1 course. Get my man a grammar tutor.
Perhaps you can provide a few tutor names? One that may suggest better punctuation options when writing than ” … ” ?
Scott Frost and Meachum are pipe dreams, IMO. The three most realistic options are Spavital (I’m not a fan), WKU’s Helton, and Lincoln Riley (hopefully)
Scott Frost, yeah. Meachum? Naw.
I don’t know much about Helton. Why is everyone so high on Lincoln Riley?
Record-breaking offense at a fairly no-name school. Young, energetic, good pedigree for offense.
x1000
Ou may be willing to pay those pipe dreams more money.
Pipe dream may be going a bit far. To be fair, Frost is only being talked about in fan circles. I don’t think it is realistic, but I also wouldn’t say he is unattainable. I actually think Meachum is a real possibility. OU can give him sole OC duties, something TCU won’t do with Cumbie around.
Kish is done. Announced soon.
Anyone who is wanting Spavital in hopes that he brings Murray is crazy. Aggies want nothing to do with him and I could care less what player the coach would bring with him. The player is only here a short time we need a great hire. But with that said maybe Stoops only has 2-4 years and if a OC can bring a stud talent maybe that’s good enough for him as well.
Really hoping Lincoln Riley will be the replacement. Meacham is my #2.
why is everybody so high on Riley? He had QB help this year as well as the others had/have in the past. I really like the way TCU turned it around. So I would like either or both of them if they would come. Also liking Helton.
I’m high on him because of the numbers his offense and watching ECU play. He had MONSTER WRs on that team and a QB who played much better than any OU QB since Sam…or Good Landry.
How did you think ECU looked in the Bowl game? I watched a little, but not all of it. A co-worker of mine played OG at ECU and watches all the ECU games and he likes Riley as well.
They made some mistakes (QB threw only his 7th pick of the year…and they throw A LOT), admittedly I fell asleep for some of it. They have some beasts at WR. Out-gained UF 536-339, but had 3 TOs that killed them. QB threw for over 400, but did throw 2 picks (one pick 6…yuck).
Cool Thanks
3rd ranked passing offense but not even top 50 running. Bob has always favored the passing game but we are loaded at RB. Want to see that aspect capitalized upon but with a sound air game.
Our run game could make his passing offense even more lethal
Riley actually developed two QB’s. Carden and Dominique Davis (who was a transfer that had struggled) before him. Check out his bio. He is a better candidate to me than all those being named.
gotcha who ever we pick I hope they help us turn it around like TCU did this year.
I just got a text from a really good friend of mine that was an offensive lineman for ECU just a few years ago. When I asked him if he had heard anything about Lincoln Riley being mentioned as a candidate for OC, his response was, (and I quote)…”ya’ll can have him”…
So your telling us your friend is delusional… ok LOL
This is Oklahoma football. We don’t have to settle. Go get the best, “fire in the bones” coaches period. Those who want to take this program straight back to the top and are willing to put in the effort to do so. And it starts at the top with Bob Stoops.
Is he back from vacation?
Good luck to Josh – I have no doubt he’ll do great at another school.
https://twitter.com/OU_CoachHalzle/status/552481112736673794
its tough not to be impressed by the dramatic turnaround TCU’s offense had this year. If Meachem is responsible for that then i’d be happy to have him. If it was more Cumbie than Meachem then lets keep looking.
Lots of people say it was Cumbie, but then I hear that Patterson mandated the ZR game be added to the Air Raid.
Well whichever they’re willing to let walk should suggest which one was more responsible in the opinion.
I agree but you have to wonder if Meachem would have the same results with OUs personel as with TCU. As of now Boykin seems better than TK and that alone can produce a big difference in the offenses performance.
I’m all about the WKU OC. Look at his track record as a coach, every position he has coached in his history has excelled
Same for Riley really.
Has to be Helton.
Lincoln Riley’s bio, impressive:
http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/riley_lincoln00.html
Only meacham, Spav, and Helton have been mentioned.
Mentioned only as possible candidates, much different if we heard narrowed down to three candidates…
How about Riley/Meacham combo? That would be FILTHY!!!
That, sir, just isn’t fair! Don’t do that to me.
It would be almost identical to what TCU is doing, AR guy with ZR guy.
Like the way your brain is wired
WICKED!!
Same thought was in my head after reading comments below by SCKS about Riley QB development and Meacham brought in at TCU for the ZR read install. Makes great sense!!
https://twitter.com/OUPaulThompson/status/552473694220865536
https://twitter.com/DrewAllen1/status/552489054701621249
interesting (side note kinda) all the QB praises via twitter have come from those when Josh was the QB coach not OC…or am i mistaken?
Why is Berry Trammel so dramatic? He needs to be a play-write or write a fiction novel.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-football-josh-heupel-the-sacrificial-lamb/article/5382183
http://torcarr.com/images/categories/CL1574.jpg
Except those tools are useful.
GREAT storage! Need me one of those…
Huckleberry Hound.
Everyone involved in the OU football program needs to take a long, objective look in the mirror and own their part – good or bad – to get this back to being Oklahoma football.
That’s how you get better: don’t hide the ugly. You have to talk about the ugly.
Back in about 1958 or so, the statement was made that the ‘Three strongest organizations of all time were General Motors, The Imperial German Army and The University of Oklahoma Football Team’.
Now, that was tongue in cheek, obviously, but the point remains: the OU Team was recognized for organizational rigor and excellence, not just results.
It would be nice to get back to that (as Saban has, in a way, at ‘Bama) not only due to the results that such excellence brings, but as an example and inspiration to the rest of the University and State.
Why isn’t JoeC having these meetings with Stoops instead of Boren…seems like JoeC is being bypassed in this process
I’d bet he’s been involved
It’s all about perceptions. Even Boren has to bow to the donors to some degree. But JC is definitely involved.
Serious question…
I know that Heup was the obvious scapegoat here for quite some time. Is it justified or are the players just not that great? Our QB situation isn’t great but is that solely a product of Heupel or have we simply had some kisses on the recruiting trail?
Heup was a great QB coach when that was his sole responsibility
I feel it’s a combination of the two, with a larger portion falling on OC.
Getting cramps from the constant scrolling up and down, I’m out until after the presser. lol
I like Coach Heupel and appreciate all that he did for the University. I wished it had worked out, I really do but it is all about the Wins and Losses. Next man up.
Good luck to Coach Heupel in all that he does.
He will land on his feet and learn from this. I think it’s possible an sec team will take a chance. If not he should get a chance in the mountain west or whatever conference unlv is in.
1) appreciate tfb offering an honest opinion on like/dislike the names floating around…….while the change itself is exciting, I have no idea which of these guys is worth pursuing …..2) would be interesting to know the process by which bstoops is looking at replacements……….does he get suggestions from coaching associates…….is there some kind of coaching search firm involved……..
I wonder if Kurt Roper is a name at OC…he did pretty good at Duke the year before last but couldn’t fix the wreck at UF
I dont care how good he is. I dont want him because every time I hear his name I’ll be thinking of the landlord from threes company. And great….now I have that dumb theme song in my head.
Ahhhh, thanks for popping that wah heavy guitar intro into my head………..
I’m going to go jump off a bridge now………
lol I just added the same thing before I saw your reply!
That was a hilarious post by the way.
Are the Girls coming with him?
Hopefully…we could use a cheerleading upgrade as well.
Great question. Dibs on Janet, you can have the trophy wife
Come and knock on our door. We’ve been waiting for you….oh sorry
Dang, you went back in time!
What about this guy
The ladies man aka Ralph Furley
BTW Kurt Roper won a state championship on Owen Field back in the early 90s…him and Cale would work well together
I have a very reputable source telling me that Doug Meacham is our number one target and that it is likely he will become OU’s next offensive coordinator. Per the source, Meacham’s salary is ~$350k with TCU and would likely be double that with OU.
If this comes to fruition, party’s at Meacham’s house!
Turning to a Cowboy….these are troubling times indeed.
Interesting…
….a first time poster named ‘smoochie’ has a very reputable source?
Great name though
Why would we have to pay $700k? He wouldn’t take it for $500k?
If Mike Stoops is still DC next year, this will be just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, imho.
Lastly, I wonder if Heupel was offered a demotion to QB position coach?
Hoover says no such offer was made.. JH & Norvell were both just let go..
I’m hoping its a demotion for Mike. We need a new DC badly.
Or at least a co DC who will run the show and let Mike just be a figure head.
As much as I’m ready for some change and glad Stoops is doing it, this is sort of a sad day. Some of these coaches were family, especially Heupel. A bit sad it didn’t work out for them to stay and wish them tons of success moving forward, just not against our SOONERS!!!
I think I would have to favor Riley and/or Meachum! I am not opposed to the Helton at Western Kentucky but hard to tell what the jump in competition and better defenses would be able to do against his offense. Seems like Riley & Meachum were able to do more with less. TCU & ECU are not traditional power houses or recruiting hot beds but the they were able to engineer great offenses against better competition in general! Would like to see how they could do with the ability to attract and develop even better players at OU!
Jordon you going to post the conference here or make another page?
https://thefootballbrainiacs.com/ou-oklahoma-sooners-football-bob-stoops-end-of-season-presser-coaching-changes
Thanks
The “day long” meeting between Boren and Stoops about concerns of fans and boosters causes me to speculate these changes weren’t inititated by Stoops but rather strong “suggestions” by the movers and shakers of the OU power elite.
Which may point to a bigger problem. However, there have been coaches who totally disagreed with management asking for coaches to be replaced and quit altogether. I think BS deserves the fans trust that he wants to win at the highest level.
Now, Stoops needs to fire atleast 2 from the otherside of the ball!
No other firings! Monty Co-Def Coordinator.
I hope to hell that isn’t true or that he knows that Mike is leaving (with Kish) of his own volition for another. The defense was our greatest problem, not the offense. If nothing beyond making Monty co-DC is the only defensive change, then Bob is completely clueless and he needs to go.
Ditto on Spavital. If that’s who he brings in, then we are as big a hole as we were this season.
I’m pissed.
So…….I’m really going to have to disagree here regarding the defense.
I’m not saying Mike did a good or even acceptable job. But to say defense was more of a problem than the offense isn’t remotely correct. Look at college football across the board and you’ll see that even in the almighty SEC teams are having trouble defending. So many rules benefit the offense anymore that defense is just flat hard to do.
The misconception is that because we put up 36 points per game (21st in the country), the offense was good enough. That’s an extremely limited view that I keep seeing tossed around.
But if you want to go just by what we saw on the field, then we’ve also handicapped ourselves a lot with pick 6’s and special teams failures that hurt our field position or just flat added to the scoreboard. On top of that, the defense and special teams scored several times to skew those numbers.
I’ll give some examples of where the offense hurt us:
TCU loss – the offense gave up 2 scores, one on a fumble and one on a pick 6. We lost by 4.
KSU loss – the offense gives up another pick 6, drove to the 17 on one possession and tossed a pick (trick play), and couldn’t pick up a TD or a FG with 4 plays inside the 5. Hunnicutt also missed another FG and an extra point. We lost by 1.
Baylor loss – OU was up 14-10 until Knight tossed an INT that was returned to the 1. Hunnicutt missed a FG to tie it at 17. The D was bad, for sure. But the offense scored 14 on a defense that was just as bad as our own.
OSU loss – Special teams breakdown (more of a coaching blunder, really) and missed Hunnicutt FG. Lost by 3.
Clemson loss – Early down 10-0 and TK throws a pick 6. (Have to admit that I didn’t watch the rest of that game, so that’s all I have).
That doesn’t mean that the defense was good, not by any stretch of the imagination. I’m not even saying that anyone on the defensive staff should go or should stay. And I’m not saying the offense is all to blame either. They had their (schizophrenic) moments as well. I’m just saying that our failures this year were on all sides of the ball – coaching, special teams, defense, and offense. You don’t have a collapse like we did this year because of one unit being a problem. It was a team (lack of) effort.
Does anyone think a Spavital /Tyler Murray package deal might be in the works?
Yes, OUr offense needs help, but we obviously didn’t get great QB play which didn’t help anything. Our defense, IMO, needs MORE help. No changes on that side?
think OU might try to hire both cumbie and meacham?
Offense and Defense were both a problem. Heupal and Norvell gone is a good start, but some changes on the defense needs to happen to get this right. I have no problem with making Monty the co-coordenator, but what about Kish? He’s done virtually nothing since he’s gotten there and he doesn’t even recruit his own position. Monty does. Kish at the very least needs to go. I think BJW will retire, but not holding my breath yet.
Bob Stoops cronies have sponged off millions from Oklahomans and the biggest moocher Mike Stoops is still here.
those “sponges” have continually put money back into the university after covering all of their costs.
Howard Schnellenburger, is that you?
^^^LOL^^^
How did you know it was me Boo Blake?
Boo Bear, how’s it hangin’?
My guess is that we see more changes. Might not have been the right time to announce more firings today.
Say we somehow lure Scott Frost to OU, any way Alex Ofodile comes with him?
Tulsa terry….that’s interesting…if that’s the case….then I would think..that this was forced…and if that’s the case. ..then we are in trouble..and the comfort zone is just right…for bob…I think this is the beginning of the end…especially if these moves were forced…I would think that this would cause some bitterness …and you know how that goes……..
the more I think about it… the best OC hire, to me, would be a guy like Tyson Helton(not saying him, necessarily)… he seemingly has no connection to the current staff, so it wouldn’t be a buddy hire and with the way Bob talked today… he would have free reign to run his offense as he sees fit and aside from Cale & Bedenbough, would get to bring in his own guys to run it… imo, that’s also what needs to happen on defense, aside from Monty of course…
Josh Heupel should have left OU several years ago. Not because he doesn’t have potential, but because you need to have different teachers. It is the same reason that Mike Stoops should not have come back to OU. Working under different people teaches you the most.
I’m a little skittish on the promotion of Monty. He’s been a great recruiter and DL coach for sure, but I don’t like the idea of just promoting a position coach straight to coordinator after what we saw with Heupel. I’d much rather see us bring in a top caliber guy that has already earned some stripes as a DC other places.
Dave Sittler just made the Helton connection, knew there had to be one.. Anyway his father, Kim Helton played at Florida & then coached under Spurrier with the Redskins.. Tyson must’ve come with a Steve Spurrier recommendation…