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This past weekend, and really for much of this season the Sooners have struggled to run the ball. So let’s talk about why.
The upperclassmen aren’t playing like it up front. The interior of the line was the area that everyone thought would give less question marks after four games. Ty Darlington and Nila Kasitati, the two most seasoned, experienced guys are struggling. It was known coming into the year that there would be need for a new guard and two new tackles. The constants were supposed to be these two guys inside. To be at a championship level, the sooners need them to play at an all conference level, and at this point, they’re just not. Derek Farniok has been a nice discovery as a guard, and St. John has improved, but there’s just not the dominant seniors that they’ve been used to having around.
There’s just not a physical presence at fullback. Trey Millard and Aaron Ripkowski are both NFL level guys. Watching the game Saturday, and then re-watching it again, Dimitri Flowers just isn’t a difference maker lead blocking that we’ve seen in the past. When things do go well up front and you need that lead block on the edge, he’s just not the thumper that knocks people back. Ripkowski was a beast lead blocking, and Millard wasn’t a slouch by any stretch. Daryl Johnston and Tom Rathman were described as an extra guard in the backfield. I think you could probably say the same thing for Ripkowski for the Sooners the past few years. Millard gave you versatility that no one had. Trying to replicate that, Flowers came on board. To this point, it’s too much pretty and not enough gritty. You hope that Flowers can grow into that, but at this point he’s just not the guy.
There’s not a physical edge presence at tight end. While I touched on Ripkowski at fullback, he lined up quite a bit at tight end as well. The year before that, Millard also lined up there occasionally as well as Brannon Green. Green was a very good end line blocker and it allowed you to line up Ripkowski or Millard as a wing and outflank people. I’m as big a fan that you’ll see of using a tight end, because it widens out the defense another gap, and it simplifies the secondary somewhat. At this point however, there are three tight ends listed on the roster, Mark Andrews, Connor Knight and Carson Meier. Something I did happen to notice yesterday though was Sam Grant was wearing #85. At 6’6″ 275, he gives you a jumbo tight end and probably a much more physical presence than any of these other guys. I really believe that if you were to see Grant, who was originally recruited as a blocking tight end, it would really help the running game. I’d guess the staff believes in his blocking ability or they likely wouldn’t have tried to turn him into a tackle.
Samaje Perine and Joe Mixon aren’t good blockers yet. I know you probably heard the record skip there, but in the sets that both of these guys are on the field, one or the other is being asked to be a lead blocker for the other, and they’re just not good at it yet. It’s probably the first time they’ve ever been asked to be a lead blocker in their lives, and watching their body language after a couple of runs out of the set, they’re frustrated. They’re both team guys, but they’re not fullbacks. While getting them both on the field at the same time makes you want to think of Reggie Bush and LenDale White, they’re just not on that level yet.
The tackle play so far has been spotty. On the left side, Orlando Brown is going to be a star. He’s got athleticism that belies his size, and he’s only going to get better. You definitely can see the potential in him, and ultimately understand that Bedenbaugh is letting him grow into the position. Dru Samia who is a true freshman has played well on the right side as well, but St. John has kind of moved into the starting role. On one hand I can understand the logic in letting the tie go to seniority with St. John, but in my opinion Samia has played better. I also understand that it would be difficult to get more juco guys to ever come if none ever play. St. John has the elite athleticism, but Samia is a really good athlete in his own right. At any rate, the tackle play is kind of a microcosm of the offensive line as a whole. A lot of young talent who has to work out the kinks and kind of learn on the job, and older talent that isn’t getting it done to the level we’ve come to expect at Oklahoma.
So how exactly do the Sooners get to be a championship level o line in just five weeks? Good question. This week they just have to be good enough to beat Texas. The week after that, just good enough to beat Kansas State. The week after that…and so on and so on. I know it sounds cliche, but they have to take it one game at a time. More specifically they need to take it one practice at a time and focus on a couple of things.
Whatever they do, they have to focus on being physical and knocking people back. Getting to your assignment isn’t enough. Not even hitting people but STRIKING people and knocking them back. Regardless of what they do, they have to be physical to a fault.
Secondly they need to know their job. Someone along that O line whether it’s Darlington, Farniok, Nila or St. John as seniors have to step up and get everyone to get extra film work. There’s a little bit of the old paralysis of analysis going on right now where guys are just a hair unsure at times and it’s causing hesitation. Depending on how badly these guys want to be great, then it’ll show in getting their film work in and then getting extra film work. Getting the backs and tight ends in there too will be important. Knowing exactly and I mean EXACTLY what you have to do can give you freedom to be more physical and meaner. If all else fails go back to point one.
Finally great O line coaches know how to circle the wagons and create an us vs. the world mentality. Don’t think for a minute they don’t realize how much talent is around them at the skill position spots, and Bedenbaugh isn’t in their ear every day about being the weak links. Don’t be that guy was a rallying cry that we used to live by. Whether it’s getting penalties, missing assignments, not finishing plays or just not being physical enough, just the refusal and the mindset of i’m not going to be “that guy” is important. To this day if I hang my hat on anything its my refusal to let my teammates at work and my wife and mancub down. Don’t be that guy.
Overall, I think that you have to have some perspective. You have beat four good football teams. While Tennessee and Akron are both 2-3, Akron lost a heartbreaker yesterday and should have lost to OU and Pittsburgh, which they did. Tennessee should have beat Florida, who is now the cream of the crop in the SEC East, and they should have also beat Arkansas. If OU doesn’t rip their heart out, they could easily be 5-0 at this point. Tulsa is a very good football team who lost to a really good Houston team Saturday, and there wasn’t an honest Sooner fan out there who wasn’t concerned going into Saturdays game. So the good news is that the Sooners are 4-0. With Texas, K-State and Texas Tech coming up, followed up by KU and Iowa State, there are five very winnable games. It’s very possible that OU is 9-0 going into the November 14th showdown with Baylor.
One thing that can be said for Lincoln Riley is that he does make adjustments. Whether it’s in-game or from week to week, he does understand what his team does well. That’s good, because he’s going to have to get creative to make the offense go. Dru Samia has played well as a true freshman, and you do have solid depth with Farniok and Alvarez as well, so do you line one of those guys up outside and call it a double tackle or jumbo tight end etc? Whether we see Sam Grant start getting some time, or Connor Knight, who I thought played pretty well at Tennessee get more time, adjustments are going to have to be made. The good part is that the Sooners are 4-0, and they have five more weeks to figure it out.
As long as you can go 1-0 every week, who cares how you do it.
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Good stuff, JY. I like the fact that you point out opportunities but just as important, you give the possible solution. The OL has flashed greatness. There were time in the WVU game that they held up against those blitzes.
When this all comes together, this team will be dynamic. Teams are already struggling with handling this bunch. I don’t think anyone has stopped OU more than OU has stopped themselves.
Good stuff and thanks!
I think we have to rethink what a great year is also. In a record setting year in ’08, DeMarco had just over 1000 yards in 13 games. That’s less than 80 yards rushing per game. We had a 1700 yard rusher and we lost 5 games. Baker has been impressive with his ability to escape the rush, but I think he looked a little dinged up last game. We’ll see if we can continue to progress over the next 3 games.
Very nice write-up. I also think it should be noted that WVU is a very difficult scheme to pass block AND run block against. Nice observation RE: Sam Grant
I think the run game will also improve when we start running some more complicated stuff. We’re still very vanilla in the run game to my eyes. Agree about Flowers, he isn’t getting it done as a blocker right now. Why not replace him in the backfield with a guy like Grant or Knight? Somebody that blocks a bit better, especially on short yardage type plays.
And while the next 5 games are certainly winnable, I fully expect KSU and/or TT to at least give us a scare. KSU just seems to play everybody close (us too, historically), and TT’s offense is the real deal.
Just gotta keep improving. My goal for this season was never to be undefeated or in the Playoffs. I just don’t think it was a reasonable goal. Not saying it can’t happen, but I think Baylor is a better team than we are. TCU still might be as well. We just gotta close that gap until we catch them, and find ways to win the tough games against teams we are better than (OSU, TT, KSU).
How is TCU better? There one advantage last year was at QB. That has ended. Baylor’s offense is great, but if Mich St scored 50 on them we should as well. The last two years we’ve played Baylor, we’ve been inconsistent on Offense.
I think TCU’s offense, to date at least, is better than ours. It’s more consistent. More explosive. And I think they are running it better than we are. I’ll admit the gap between OU and TCU is probably thin either way, and OU may close that all the way and be the better team by the time we play them.
I just can’t agree with you on Baylor. I think they’d beat us by 14+ if we played today. I think their defense is a little better than it was last year, and probably comparable to OU’s. But they may have some difference makers on the DL that OU doesn’t. And their offense may be the best in the country right now. No doubt in my mind they are better than OU. A lot can happen in 2 months before we play them, but I have no issues with saying they will probably be better than OU this year.
Baylor is executing their offense to perfection right now. I don’t see defensively how we stop that. We will have to limit their time of possession and number of opportunities. Not sure we can score enough to keep up? Maybe we can, but I’m not confident right now. Things can change though.
I don’t know if OU will beat Baylor or TCU, but I know they can. I hope OU keeps improving week by week and begin to peak in November. Maybe TCU and Baylor are peaking now and will start to wane due to fatigue, injuries and lack of depth by November. OU has a lot of competition to cover in October before worrying about November.
Great insights JY….Thanks.
Great stuff JY, Just win baby!
The first few games the O line was absolutely awful. But I thought the WVU game they actually played better. Not great, but ok, and a definite improvement. I understand that we didn’t get enough out of the run game on Saturday but WVU sold out to stop the run and they did so for most part. But they paid dearly for it, as they should. Oddly enough, I am not as worried about run game as I used to be simply because we have proven we can win through the air. The coaches will figure out who can block and who can’t so I think we will get something going on the ground this next Saturday! I expect a few new plays to be rolled out in the running game to take advantage of each RB’s skills.
I’m with you. I didn’t have much confidence last year if first downs didn’t yield 4-5 yards. Now, I always believe OU will convert third downs no matter what the distance is. If the QB is throwing deep routes, the line has to be doing something right.
For what it’s worth, other than the penalties in the first half the OL produced enough to have half of 48 at halftime. The 2nd half, they bogged down, giving up sacks. Week to week as JY said. But some other things need to be implemented to get the run game going. How about a little more read option, keep running Perine and Mixon down hill, get Brooks on the edge and use Mixon and Brooks as safety valves on blitzes. A short pass for 5 yards is equal to 5 yards rushing the ball.
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So far, IMO, Every team has committed to stopping our running game. The day is coming where someone will be sleeping on the Run Game. Beat the hell out of Texas!
I think Texas is taking a big ol’ nap this year. They’re just sleeping in general.
I’m a little worried about Baker being banged up. It seemed to affect his mobility in the pocket as well as him not rushing for many first downs.
They also had a spy on Baker the whole game (when they didn’t sell out on the blitz).
You know, JY, it could be that Darlington and Kasitati are struggling is because they are looking out for the new guys, trying to help them. Just a thought.
The theme for this year’s team is immaturity. Immaturity in the secondary, immaturity in the OLine, just some overall immaturity we saw in all the personal fouls on Saturday. The good news is we somehow managed to win the early tough games. I think we saw some maturing in the secondary on Saturday, the O-Line seems to be slowly getting there but are definitely not that good right now and have some ways to go. The other areas need to be cleaned up and that’s on the coaches.
For the O-Line in particular right now we are seeing the end result of the Patton/Kittles debacle. We are basically missing two entire line classes that were failures at the end of their tenure. The only two high schools recruits left from those classes are Darlington (a smart but under athletic center) and Farniok who may have finally found a position at guard. There is also Nila who was actually recruited as a tight end. The rest are freshmen or sophomores recruited by Bedenbaugh or a JUCO guy that Patton picked up (St John).
The good new is that Bedenbaugh appears to be getting the right kinds of players in. They will be good once they mature, but they aren’t there yet. Hopefully, we can find a way to win games until they do. So far we have.
At some point the secondary doesn’t get to use the young excuse. Sanchez, A. Thomas, and Byrd are all juniors that have played a lot of snaps.
I still think that is one of the biggest areas we could use a talent upgrade. And I think that is reflected in the recruiting going on for the 2015-2017 classes when it comes to DB’s. JMO though.
Include 2014 in that as well. Stephen Parker and Jordan Thomas have played very well for being so young. But you are right on the older guys. They were just not talented classes.
I agree with you to some extent. We seem to have two choices at a lot of positions. Experienced player of lesser talent or inexperienced player with more talent.
Where I might disagree a little is that you are right with regard to individual players like Sanchez, et al. But the UNIT is still suffering from having to play so many new guys.
Totally agree that this is what happens when you miss on recruits and don’t have the right coaches. Nila might have played TE at Trinity but he was a Guard playing TE and was recruited to play Guard. I remember watching him on film before we played them in the playoffs in 2011 and my report was basically they have a sasquatch at TE lol.
Agree with the point about talent. We have lamented the inability to sign the top guys on OUr board and wondered ‘why’? when OU is sending guys to the league. OU loses out on two top ‘homegrown’ OG prospects. Have to get the raw material in. That appears to be changing but still need to bring in a couple of guys this cycle.
The secondary benefited from pressure from the DL…THIS needs to continue.
Just a thought but i heard during the Clemson Notre Dame game that Clemson had all new starter’s on there offensive line and they looked very good so why can’t we also with all new starter’s any thoughts on this?
OL recruiting from 2011 to 2013 was BAD. The deficiencies in Bedenbaugh’s first two years were covered up by a number of fourth and fifth (even sixth) year players. There was always a void behind those older guys. Coach B already has three of HIS players (freshmen & soph) playing on an equivalent level as the current fourth and fifth year seniors. Over the course of the next two years the OL will return to greatness. The question is whether they can return to greatness by November.
Great points. As versatile as Millard was, Rip was a whole kind of different. Think Joe Plange could have been ‘that kind of guy’ but he unfortunately left. Same at TE, and you are spot on with Grant. The guy is a huge, physical, blocking TE so put him at TE. Inside, the only change is Savage, who was just that; a road-grading guard, but Farniok is showing some of that same ‘attitude’. Think Alvarez has that ‘tude’, too. That leaves me wondering how much is just ‘what is being asked of these guys’ in this offense. Last year the interior buckled down and got physical ’cause there wasn’t a solid QB/passing attack. This year, as in prior years, they are more concerned about protection so they are ‘on their heels’ so to speak.
It is important to realize that not only are we replacing five guys from last year, but we are also in a very different offensive scheme. So even the experienced guys have some learning to do.
Both backs averaged over 4 ypc. I didn’t like the push in that game, but give some credit to WVU, who did everything they could to keep Mixon and Perine from beating them. Also keep in mind that Riley admitted to not calling a great second half (refreshing!) and we still scored 37 on offense against the #1 scoring defense.
Sunshine over, Baker needs to stay clean more, and we need more of a push. Agreed on those points. But I have seen improvement in every game, so I believe it will get done.
At one point in the game, the FS1 team went back and showed the o-line communicating to pick up a blitz. It was fantastic (It was on Shep’s TD). Later in the game, it did not seem that they were communicating as much. Maybe I missed that they were, but I remember the whiff block that Flowers had on a blitz. Anyway, thanks for the write up JY, I love your insights! I think given some time the o-line will be pretty darn good. And I agree, just win this week and we will be fine.
It seems to me that running out of the shotgun is simply very difficult. “Sideways” runs rather than “downhill” runs. I’d be interested to know the YPC in the runs we’ve ran out of the pistol vs shotgun.
Doesn’t really answer your query but looking back at the last 3 years; 2013 to present. Rushing avg. 5.2 in 2013, 6.1 last year and 4.1 so far this year. The good news is OU is scoring 42 ppg and holding opps to 22. As long as that holds, I’m good.
The most important stat of all!
I totally agree.Especially the big backs have a big problem to accelerate out of the shotgun.I think we should run the pistol sometimes, we need the run game to be successful
Just a couple of thoughts on the OU running game. First, I hope that Bob isn’t tinkering with the offense and imposing his philosophy on Riley. Second, thinking we have to have a Rip like fullback to run the ball gets us back in the old position group soup that the old offense used and what was an albatross around our necks. Third, the issue with the running game is two fold. We are using Perine who isn’t ever going to be the best type back in this kind of offense. Then, the OU OL is the limiting factor in how effective our run game is going to be and this one just isn’t going to cut it.
So, in my opinion we just need to let Riley structure the offense the best he can considering the limitations of the OL. Throw the ball and force the secondary to cover and when we have the advantage inside the box then run the ball. Tossing a FB out there just to run the ball is a losing strategy with this offense. The only way that works is if your FB is just for show and you can effectively throw the ball to him and using him is just cover for a passing scheme.
One of the things I liked on Saturday was that Riley actually made them pay for the blitz by throwing over the top. On one play Shepherd made their DB look foolish and on the other Durron Neal was so open there wasn’t anyone else in the frame on the TV. He seems to adjust much better to what the other team is doing than the previous guy.
Yes, this gave me warm fuzzies too and made me forget about run game. However, on some full out blitzes it appeared we didn’t have a “hot” read / safety valve receiver. Baker had no choice but to eat the ball. What gives on that?
That’s probably why LR said after the game said he didn’t do the best job of play calling in the second half. Nice to hear the guy own up to it.
Agree on letting Riley run his offense. The point on Flowers is, if you are going to run the scheme with a FB/HB, he needs to be effective. So far, Flowers is not as effective blocking and has zero carries and 1 reception for 4 yds. Can get a more effective personnel group in than that, and maybe Grant is the answer.
My thoughts:
It seemed to me that all of the blitzing WVU did really messed with the o-line. I don’t know that they’ll see a defense that blitzes this much again all year.
I am REALLY encouraged that OU passed so well on what is most likely the best secondary and probably best defense overall they’ll see until bowl season.
I keep wanting to compare this team to the 2000 team but I was in 4th grade so I didn’t really pay much attention at that time. How was the o-line that season? Did they struggle early on?
The OL was a strength of the team in 2000. In 2001, they had graduation and injuries and that’s why the 2001 team wasn’t as good. The D was even better in 2001. The OL didn’t start to gel until late in 2002, and then they won the CCG and the Rose Bowl, with Nate Hybl getting MVP in both games. People complain about Nate, but he was only as good as his OL. Hard to throw a good pass when you’re running for your life.
I dunno, mayfield has been running for his life all season, and hes doing pretty well with it, lol.
I think you’re both right. Hybl was in a tough situation because he was following Heupel who was spectacular and the fans really wanted Jason White who was injured. But Hybl wasn’t that bad. He was, in fact, well above average. Having said that, Baker handles pressure and moves WAY better.
But, man, those defenses!!! Back when the SEC tried to do defense like the Sooners. Those were great days. Sorry…just got a little nostalgic there. Didn’t mean to cross thread.
Also, remember that the 2000 offense actually wasn’t that dominant (about 50 points TOTAL in our last three games combined). Our defense was just jacked up to a whole other level and our offense was timely. Btw, timely is another word for mentally tough.
True, but remember part of that was that Heupel was injured at the end of that season. He didn’t have the arm strength or accuracy he had earlier in the year.
I expressed concern at the beginning of the season with how long it might take for the team to learn the new offensive scheme. But I didn’t consider how long it might take for LR to learn the players and how to use them best. As he admitted, I think he’s still learning how to put players in a position to succeed. One great sign is that his play calling continues to get better throughout the game as he sees what the defenses are trying to do. Particularly with the inexperienced line, LR must figure out how to leverage their strengths and not expose the areas where they need more development.
The big difference I see in LR is that he actually admits when he doesn’t do a good job and thinks that HE needs to get better and not just the players. His comment after the game about not doing a good job was refreshing.
That guy is destined for big things IMO
Trick will be to convince him to stay around till the HC job opens up.
He is going to be a hot commodity, so Boren better pony-up the $$$’s to keep him around.
Maybe give him some of Mike’s salary. 🙂
I even heard Mike say that some of the problems have been on his play calling.
Yeah, there just seems to be a generally different attitude wit the staff these days. Of course Gundy is really the only one left from five years ago so it’s not too surprising that the attitude is different.
Never liked the idea of HC in waiting, but he solves the QB issue and returns OU to the top. I’m for it
Same here but I think some are thinking that Stoops may retire in the next five years anyway.
I think he might in 2020 if the team is good and he wins 1 more NC.
100% agree!
The Players and Coaches are very determined to be champions this year , the confidence and swagger and brotherhood this team has very special , we will get better , coaches and players are determined to get better each week , now lets drop 77 on texsa
The OL appears to be out manned to me. Especially the interior. Darlington is a great leader and gets assignments called out but he is too small to be an effective run blocker. He got pushed back a few times Saturday. Might just be me but I’d like to see Alvarez get a few series at Center each game.
Also, ‘outmanned’ in just the numbers they are facing. Everyone knows about Optimus and is committed to stopping him first and are loading the box. It’s opening up the middle and long routes as long as Mayfield has a little time. Fortunately, he has that Aaron Rogers type release and the ability to look the DB off and get the open guy. It is refreshing to watch.
Yes, WVU had decided Perine wasn’t having a good day. But they couldn’t get any push at all.
Beginning with the Tulsa game, Sam Grant has been moved to the LE position on the placekicking team. That’s why he switched to 85. I don’t know if they plan to use him as a TE on offense.
I saw several plays this week where the right LBer blitzed, and instead of moving to his left and picking up the LBer, Brown moved right and blocked into the line. Perhaps that wasn’t his man and a back was supposed to block the LBer, but the blitz was effective a lot of the day.
I agree that the OL is not getting the job done right now. I saw Nila get abused a lot on Saturday, but he wasn’t the only one.
Noticed this quote by Gibson, WVU D coord – “I never thought they would run on us. Their offensive line isn’t built for that this year,” Gibson said.
That is from a coach, we need to improve at this. Good time to start with sexaT week.
Not exactly rocket science. Their entire strategy for this game was to load up the box to contain Samaje and dare us to throw on their islands. I still think we can do more on the perimeter (bubble screens…etc). We don’t need to be pounding everyone, but we can get creative.
Good write up. And I maintain that LR while not perfect does not try to fit a square peg in a round hole. I think he knows exactly how to match up against teams and he knows how to use what his team is good at. I hope the OLine gets better so we can so the running game be a strength again.
First of all, I’m elated to be 4-0 and in the top 10. I think everyone knows that Perine is a much more effective runner when lined up behind qb like on first play of game rather than to the side of qb which seems to be norm thus far.
I might be the only one here but I’m not worried about the lack of a run game.. It is easy for teams to load the box. I’d wager that it’s very rare that you will come across a team that has all the answers and the honchos up there to put it all together. Looking at tOSU and MSU struggle with games this weekend kinda puts things in perspective.
What I cannot excuse is linebackers running through wide-gaping holes. All this air raid business means nothing if we can’t get him time to make his reads. Folks said this or that about Baker and pressure, but dude is money so far…let’s keep it that way.
Going 1-0 each week is a great motto. The O-line needs help for sure, but throwing a good blocking tight end in there I think can make a difference.
now that I think about it, with the personnel they have this year, what the hell would they have done if they tried to run last year’s scheme again?? They have no fullbacks or tight ends capable of edge blocking. If they hadn’t switched to the air raid they’d lose 6 games this year. Thank goodness Heupel is gone, this year is turning out really good but could have been an absolute disaster without the coaching changes.
Good point. We can’t run last year’s offense – don’t have the blockers.
It would have been a disaster of Texsa sized proportions.
We would not have lost 6 games.
I’m pretty sure this O-Line will come around. This is a process and a ton of learning goes with the territory. The talent is there. Learning takes a bit more time. Wait for it…………….
In all honesty, I thought Alvarez did a better job at center than Darlington.
Granted, it was against Tulsa.
Thankfully he is the long term answer at Center.
Great article.. JY.
I agree, Rip and Millard are talented ball players playing on sundays. Speaks levels on how we are missing them right now.
Said it b4, why is Sam Grant being wasted on the bench when you have a 6’6 280 blocking TE/OT.
If we are struggling to set the edge, why not just put another OT out there, and call him a TE. That’s what Baylor is doing with that 400 pound fatty they call a TE.
If Flowers isnt the blocker you thought he was, throw Sam Grant out there, I bet we run the ball batter.
And what happened to using Daniel Brooks on stretch run plays? Make the defense move a little bit and quit crowding the middle
Right, if Flowers is not being utilized as a weapon, why leave him in as an inferior blocker. Sam Grant would be 10x better as a blocker. And he would have made only one fewer catches than Flowers at this point even if he never ran a route.
To be fair, it’s not like Flowers played a lot, that I saw. But he wasn’t very good when he was out there.
I like the idea of trying Grant.
Dang bro, how crazy would you be going trying to fix stuff if we were 2-2? Lol.
great write-up … hopefully we can get the RB’s the ball with screens and short passes while the line develops.
The renewed interest in Blake Williams TE/HB might say something about what the coaches are seeing as an area of need. Imagining all 6’5 250#s of Dalton Wood holding the edge or releasing downfield, too.
Blocking TE’s is a point of weakness right now and there is room for playing time early for the right guy.
Wilson loved TE’s….
Shades of Brody Eldridge here…
Said it b4, and ill say it again. Its not that hard ppl. Baylor only does one run, and it works every time. I see no reason why we cant do this
http://i0.wp.com/thecoverfour.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Baylor-run.gif
Do you see the hole and the pulling guard is 5 yards down the field leading the runner.
It’s really all about execution.
Actually, the LT. Great design and simple our 5 hats on your 5.
I want to drop so many points on Texsa that Mike Lupica’s head will explode!
Can you imagine if go out and drop another beat down on them? After the already bad start, and getting blown out last week by TCU? I didn’t think there was much of any way Strong wouldn’t get another year, but his seat would be getting pretty warm at that point, I’d think.
Yeah, its starting to look like a Texas John Blake… except more morally righteous. John Blake was slimy to the touch.
Charlie Strong has 2 Conference Championships and a Sugar Bowl win as a HC, previous stints as a DC at two SEC schools. John Blake was always a position coach and a hail mary hire by a fumbling staff.
Blake sure did recruit a good football team, even though he couldn’t coach well enough to win.
I think the player(s) tweeting about transferring at half time may have done him in, particularly, if he loses big to OU. Strong has several problems right now.
1) His defense is bad and he is a defensive coach. Everyone knew the cupboard was bare on offense, but you kind of expect a coach to have the team doing well in his specialty. Special teams are also bad.
2) He appears to have lost control of the team. See the player tweets.
3) Staff changes early season give the impression of desperation and lack of a plan.
4) The one win they have is against a Rice team that basically beat them pretty much in every phase of the game but lost because of a -4 turnover margin. Rice is not very good.
5) The guy that hired him was hated and is gone.
I think Strong may be gone after this week if we lay another epic beat down on them.
Who replaces him if he’s fired mid-season?
Interim coach, someone on the current coaching staff. New AD, then he hires the new guy. They have lost/are losing their big money donors and ticket sales. They’v got to do something quick to change the perception of where they are headed.
Is that even more desparate or is perception sufficient?
Oh, its desperate. But it all gets blamed on the previous AD. You fire him using the interim AD and then let the new guy come in and clean things up.
Norvell! LOL
I like the irony.
Me too. Plus I think he is way out of his depth.
That may be the question that keeps him around till the end of the year.
Lol.
Lol.
It would be hilarious if it was Wickline. That may throw a wrench into the lawsuit between him and Oklahoma State.
Norvell
If you’re the desired choice, the gremlins/boosters will help excelorate your departure.
Strong was not looking into the crowd. His head was down. That’s a clear sign, to me, that he knows he’s done.
If it were me, because we all know he doesn’t need the money, I would conspire with anyone I trusted on the staff to resign immediately.
Most guys who get to that level don’t have an ego that will let them resign.
I thought ol’ Charlie was a much better coach than he turned out to be. I’ll even admit to being a little worried when he got named coach. Not to say the sky was falling, but worried in the sense that we were losing a known quantity in Mack. It’s always more fun in a rivalry when you know your guys are in the other guys’ heads. At any rate, Charlie did good things at Louisville, or so I thought.
Then again, it might just very well be that the “culture” at Texass is so polluted, only a Texass guy, or (Heavin forbid) a Sooner like DKR, can shape them up. Aside from the fact that he accepted the job in Austin, and his SEC pedigree (especially including ’09), I have no ill will towards ol’ Charlie. Regardless if this is his swan song or not, I sure hope we can take advantage of whatever issues they’ve caused for themselves, and sternly issue them an A&M like beat down.
I’ve said before that I think Charlie is a good coach but a bad hire. He just doesn’t fit nor understand the culture at Texas. Mack did and that’s why he survived so long with the mixed success he had. I don’t think Charlie understands that being the head coach at a school like Texas is more about politics than it is X’s and O’s. We will see if the new AD recognizes that when he hires his replacement.
Maybe so but inter-program politics isn’t what’s causing his team to suck on the field.
True but it is what will keep him from having enough time to fix it.
I predict that if Nick Sabin is the next Longhorn coach, he will regret his decision because he doesn’t know how to be successful in a pass-happy conference. It would tarnish his career.
I think Saban would be a bad hire for them. You think Bob gets snarky with the media Saban has no tolerance for them. I don’t think he would have much tolerance for the big money donors either. There would be some major ego clashes between Saban and the powers that be in Texas.
His seat isn’t warm, it’s blistering. If OU comes in and destroys texsa the way tcu did, he’s gone no matter what happens the rest of the season.
Post of the day.
That would be like a double victory!
Okay guys, I love this site but I’m leaving today to go out of the country for 3 weeks. I might not have access to wiif where I’m going (deep into Russia) so make sure we beat ut, ksu, etc for me while I’m gone.
Safe travels!
I’ll keep a watch on the QB’s in your absence.
How’s your son doing?
Really good. He can’t wait for Sundays cause he gets to workout with several HS QBs from the Houston area. That’s a big deal to a 7th grader. They treat him great and give him encouragement & advice. His 7th grade coaches are, well, not to invested. I understand but nothing like where he came from. All good though & thx for asking
Good for him. I believe in always practicing up. For example, when my son was in HS I took him to the Y and he played basketball against black men (he went to a school that was almost all white), some ex-college & current college players. They were big, strong, fast, quick, selfish, loud and intimidating, etc, many living in the past, some in the present. Fights, loud arguments, lots of fouls (you had to call your own and they fouled about every play if they could, then argued if you called a foul (I don’t think my son every did!), etc. When he went to school practices it was a big step down in competition and intimidation. It was good for a white person go to a black area of town to see guys who have lived in the gym for a long time, older, etc. None were ever rude to my son, and several took him under their wings and tried to teach him different things, very helpful.
I also believe you get better in any sport in the off season. I’d always take one day off during every week, though. I’m a Christian and I have a theory that that is the way God made us, to rest one day. Nothing with the arm at all. Don’t even pick things up if he can help it. Also, get a good QB coach. Don’t worry about jr high coaches coaching him at QB. It would be rare indeed to find someone who really knew the QB, even in HS. I’m not being critical, it’s just the way it is. College and NFL players or college coaches who coach other positions don’t know much about QBs. I’d take him, if you can afford it, to every camp you can. I’d say if he goes to big name camps, ut, ou, etc, they’ll be other coaches there too that notice who ut/ou etc don’t take perhaps. Anyway, glad he’s doing well. Hope he plays in the NFL someday!
He’s been in a training program for two years and his QB coach is a former all conf QB and played 4 yrs in NFL. He found out about the training from one of the QBs. QB coach is a great guy and knew my son’s grandfather really well as did his trainer. That said, they keep an eye on him and they are the ones who push him. I’m a dad, and enjoying the process no matter the outcome.
What is neat is all the guys/players like him and they are over here all weekend. I had 5 over Friday and a different 7 on Saturday. My wife & I take two cars to church to fit them all in. We may need a bus before it’s all over. My son is expecting over 15 guys to enter training with him starting in January. He will also play basketball.
We are in Texas so he doesn’t understand my pride for OU. He likes ATM but he’s starting to watch more and more OU. I don’t push OU on him. He is going to his first OU game against TCU. I think he will come away with a different opinion or at least that is my hope. What’s funny is he calls me papa Boom.
Saw Flowers miss so many blocks it was embarassing
When you try to replicate a unique player (Millard) you are doomed to fail.
Ripkowski was even better than Millard blocking imo. He is the one we miss the most
Correct but when they recruited Flowers they wanted him to turn into the next Millard in regards to being a good blocker and excellent athlete. Nobody thought Flowers was going to be Ripkowski in terms of blocking.
Yep. You need blockers that put a hurtin’ on defenders. When you don’t hand out punishment in your blocks, the defense is not going to wear down/respect your physicality.
The whiff block on the blitz was the worst. He just flat out missed the guy and Baker got hit hard. That was the play that Baker started limping after.
Are you trying the tell me we cannot run the ball left with a 6’8 350 LT, and a 6’9 345 LG? smdh
With a good run game, this offense would be unstoppable
Run blocking is more than just being big. There’s so much when it comes to mental aspects and hand placements on defenders that can give any OLmen a distinct advantage. Both those players are young and are still learning those techniques. Watch, by year’s end, both those players will be much improved.
Ow dont even get me started on how the Oline could not pick up any freakin blitzes. On a lot of those West Virginia Blitzes, if the Oline had only held for a few secs, the WR’s were getting ready to be wide open. But as soon as the ball is snapped, they are already all over Mayfield.
And whats up with giving up 4 sacks? What nonsense is that. I believe Trevor Knight got sacked only about 7 times the entire season last year. We have already given up double digit in sacks this year. What a joke
Was it Bond or Lindley that bite on the hand-off fake to the RB that allowed the QB to run for a TD?
Obo
Sorry, Dave, didn’t see your post when I responded. Good catch that it was Obo on that play.
Was bassoon the other DE? (or another reed instrument)
No, he’s a free safety, but you made me laugh. Good one!
You can catch me at The Laugh Factory, shows at 7 and 10. 1 drink minimum. Ladies get in free! (not really)
If he made the play on the QB could we call him Sax
nothing to be sorry for 🙂
That Howard kid is ok, but was careless in his first road start. Interested to see if he improves or not
I really dont blame anyone one on that play it was a well executed play by WVU
yeah I mean Landry “8 seconds flat 40” Jones ran the same play for 15 yards against Nebraska..Howard is a decent athlete so I totally didn’t blame the defense for that
That isn’t the time in the game to be “taking chances”. Play your assignment, and if WVU is going to drive for a score, make them do it 3-4 yards at a time (in the run game).
If we needed a big play or a turnover, I can see taking a chance. Not when you are up like we were.
Agree. Mike had Striker crashing hard on previous plays and they took advantage of it.
No, Mike did NOT have the LBer crash on that play. The OLBer has contain.
Whoever it was Obo or whoever didn’t account for the QB, but in fairness to him its not like Howard had been a threat to run the whole game.
Nevertheless, that’s his assignment. Obviously, the coaches agreed, b/c he was replaced after that play by Lindley.
Should have but Striker, multiple times, did the same same and took the play down from the backside.
Coaches talk all the time about being “assignment sound.” This is the kind of thing they are talking about.
You MUST be certain who has the ball before you crash. It’s just simple discipline, but it’s not easy by any stretch.
Agree. Part of it was WVU was shoving our DT back and gashing us in the middle. The OLBs, Striker a couple of times, were coming hard backside. It was a guessing game and the OLB, Obo that time, got caught.
I specifically remember seeing Striker play contain on anything coming to his side of the ball when not on a blitz call. He locked down his side and played with discipline and explosiveness. He is getting really good at getting out of his rush and into coverage on his edge.
Don’t have access to the full highlights but on Hambone’s replay check 14:03 of the 1st and 5:12 of the 3rd. Both Striker crashing and stopping the run from the backside, although he did have outside help on the second ex. There was at least one other time.
His job is containment. He failed on that play.
Exactly. But it was Obo.
WV overloaded the strong side which moved our S to the middle. Obo blew his outside containment but the S ran 10+ yards to LOS on the fake and he was out of the play. Thus, wide open for a guy who may run 4.9 at best.
one thing I noticed JT, nearly made a play from the opposite side corner. He has better speed than I thought.
It was Obo. After that, Lindley replaced him. Obo replaced Bond who apparently was hurt.
Obo had outside contain on the play, as he was OLBer on that side. He busted his assignment and that’s why he didn’t see the field after that.
We won the game, so it’s nothing more than a good learning experience.
That was Obo
” …so do you line one of those guys up outside and call it a double tackle or jumbo tight end etc? ”
Yes that ‘s my opinion (i.e., my two cents worth). I think unbalanced line is the way to go, especially if we could pull it off in a hurry-up red zone set. There could be a big-boy double tackle on the right side of the line, with an additional jumbo tight end on the right side, and an additional guard lined up in the fullback position to clear the way for Perine. Trevor Knight could and Joe Mixon could be decoy WR to the wide left.
As much as I love Perine, it seems obvious to me that mixon’s skill set fits better into this system. Not only the pass catching ability but also his running style.
Mixon still needs to learn to take 6 yards instead of stopping and juking at 3 and only getting 4 while trying to score on each carry. When he does, that’s when he should be the #1 back IMO, because physically you are right he is the better player in this offense.
I think they are different but equal in this offense. If Mixon can get to the second level of defenders, he may be a bigger home run threat, but Perine is more adept to getting to the second level of defenders to begin with. So it is six of one and half-dozen of the other. (my two cents worth)
Would have been nice if Keith Ford were still around. I know he had some fumble issues, but he was quicker than Sam and Joe, and more powerful than Brooks. Would have been an effective option in this offense.
No. He wouldn’t play.
Maybe not. But he would have have had some success if given some totes. He’s better at creating in space.
Samaje and Mixon are 1a and 1b. Mixon just has more breakaway ability. Samaje is going to pound a team into submission.
Not trying to start anything, but wonder if Gundy would have the backs performing any better? Just a question, not and indictment.
it crossed my mind today as well oddly enough
For sure. Samaje Perine is a luxury in this offense. Mixon’s style of running and ability to split out wide has to make him the #1 guy in this offense. I’m a big fan of both but I am also a big fan of taking snaps under center. If we gotta do what suits our offense it’s obvious Mixon is our 1. Feelings aside both of these guys are team players and NFL RBs so in the end everyone should get fed.
…plus, it may be that Mixon should be the #1 guy one week and Perine should be the #1 guy the next week, depending on the opposing team’s defense style. (my 2 cents worth)
Splitting Mixon out wide has been a failure IMO.
Agreed. I can understand using that as a wrinkle from time-to-time, but it’s been frustrating to watch. Highly ineffective so far. I wanna see some quick tosses to him out of the backfield.
Yep. He’s a RB, not a WR. I think it would be better to put a WR out there that can run routes and create separation because that’s their skillset. Either put a WR out there or bring in a second FB or guard to play some power I and let Mixon and Perine run out of that. Mixon has shown flashes of beastliness coming out of the backfield and that’s what he wants to do, not run routes. Let him run the ball and catch screens and swing passes out of the backfield.
Exactly, If anything, it seems to be stunting his growth & development as a new RB. Guys need to get in a rhythm & I can’t see this helping his cause in that regard.
Tell me what hasn’t in your opinion.
Running Mixon out of the backfield.
Ive noticed that the O-line has fairly big gaps in.between them kind of like how Tech used to when Leach was coaches. Ive been under the impression that our lack of running has alot to do with Xs and Os about as much as ab underperforming line.
FYI, the OL splits are like Leach used at Tech because we’re using Leach’s system.
Well obviously. We are playing a spin off of that system… I realize why…
Wasn’t trying to be a smartass. My bad. Just sayin.
Our line needs to get tougher. They’re not strong at the point of attack. Slow hips, not enough explosion. They’re young and I think they will eventually develop that toughness with experience and confidence. But as far as this year is concerned, we’re going to have to just continue to work to execute better.
I loved the last line there haha. There’s nothing more true on every level of football: just WIN!
It’s not like Riley isn’t trying to run the ball. He called, what, 25-30 run plays? The OL just can’t get any creases created. FWIW, does anyone else think Mixon looks too bulky? Seems a step slow and I wonder if he doesn’t need to trim down…IDK.
Bottom line is, LR is trying to run the ball. The OL is not allowing him to do so.
We need to stop splitting Mixon out like a WR. That has been a failure and it’s just occupying a spot that a WR could be playing who can get open. Mixon needs to rotate in and out with Perine running the ball out of the backfield and catching RB passes out of the backfield. That’s what he does best.
Yes, I think we are wasting Mixon’s talents out in the slot. He is a better fit for this offense as a RB.
I think both Mixon and Perine are fine for this offense. They just aren’t being used properly and the blocking isn’t where it needs to be. Perine ran out of a spread pistol set in HS so it’s not the offense.
I’d like to see them put a guard or a TE back there with Flowers and run some power I similar to what WVU runs. Stop using the RBs to block for each other and just rotate them in behind each other running the ball downhill. I think both Mixon and Perine would be devastating out of that power I.
I have been begging for at least a few plays from the Power I. Or a few toss sweeps. What we’re doing now isn’t working particularly well, so adjustments and new ideas can be tried. If they are not, that sort of reveals it’s not a priority in this offense.
I could see that being a good thing. Which line up would you suggest with our personnel?
That’s the thing. If Flowers isn’t a good blocker, let’s find two non starters who are at least better than him and go full moose. Line up Danley and one of the TEs back there and let’s move some people. Has to be at least two guys on our roster that can run downhill and deliver punishment in front of our RBs.
It’s likely not LR’s preference, but sometimes that’s the only option with the personnel grouping available when it’s to your advantage not to sub.
Scary part is we have an air-raid guy tasked with fixing the run game.
So true! And here we sit every week talking about the run game with our air-raid offense. LOL! It is a good problem to have. Sure beats the issues we had on offense last year.
Not just LR, but Bedenbaugh is an air raid guy too. With that being said, we had some good success last season and I’ve always seen him as more of a blue-collar guy. It’s also worth noting that Rip and Millards best years were directly under Boulware, so I guess we’ll see.
Yes, he’s a fat slob. Lol.
Who said he was a) fat or b) a slob? Happens all the time that guys get too bulky and above optimum playing weight. Thanks for the mid-characterization of a comment.
He was just trying to be funny. It didn’t work on you bro. No worries.
The running game will be interesting this weekend. With the way Texas’ secondary has played, they can’t afford to stack the box like WVU did. If the OL can improve, there may be running room. I really can’t see Texas playing run-first defense. LR will soften them up with a few passes, and then we may find we have a running game. The OL just has to win when it has numbers.
Actually, I know it was against Tulsa, but the Oline seem to run block MUCH better when Alvarez was at center. I’m sure some of that was the opponent but they were much more physical with Alvarez at center and we were able to pound the ball.
I’ve never been sold on Darlington or Kasitati. Neither of these two have ever seemed remotely physical to me. Darlington seems to get physically dominated all the time and Kasitati just seems soft.
I agree about Flowers. He’s not a thumper.
I thought our line performed better last year whenever they subbed in Savage for Kasitati last year. It seemed like Kasitati just doesn’t get much push.
Interesting quote from the WVU Defensive Coordinator ““I never thought they would run on us. Their offensive line isn’t built for that this year,” Gibson said.” We may not run consistently all year because of the way the line is built. At least not like last year anyway.
All we need to see is improvement week to week. Less mistakes each time and occasionally opening up some holes. That would be pretty great.
I thought everybody knew this. It’s been talked about ad nauseum.
So what’s your point? I thought the quote was relevant in light of the break down of the run game.
That this O line isn’t built to run ball.
I guess you didn’t read JY’s breakdown. Nor do you understand what Riley wants to do. No we won’t run like last year but Riley wants to run the ball as does Bob and the line is the problem. I just thought the quote was interesting in contrast to what JY wrote.
This line isn’t built to run the ball. Repeat. I understand as much about what Riley wants to do as you do. We don’t. Surely you don’t think you do?
I would kill for a shovel pass when the other team is rushing 7 and going man on the outside. That will slow them down on the rush.
There was a spot in the second half where they were blitzing off of both edges, that would have been a prime spot for a little shovel pass. I know LR uses it, I think he may be keeping it in his hip pocket for right now though.
You and I saw the same thing and thought the same thing.
He may be holding on to it until we face Baylor/TCU…. Or maybe this week against the shorthorns. But when I saw the D alignment, I thought it would be a great spot for it.
People keep saying this. Why would he have held anything out against a superior WVU team who is a much bigger threat than Texas?
I actually see the shorthorns as a bigger threat than WVU. Just because it is the shorthorns and the records do not matter at all in this game. It is all about momentum. I thought we ran more diverse routes this week than we did against Tulsa or Tennessee… I have full faith in LR. I love how he has called the games and his ability to make adjustments from one series to the next. Not waiting until halftime, he is always looking for ways to take advantage of the defense. So I’m not really complaining, just posting an observation.
Yeah, I thought the same when he ran the release play with Neal. WV was gaining a lot of momentum, so I think he called that play to get something going. I also think he would have kept it for another time if WV wasn’t getting a head of steam. JMO
I wasn’t impressed with the way Riley called the game, particularly in the second half, at all. That’s the first time I’ve thought that about him but I thought he hung his Oline and QB out to dry all game long.
I thought LR did a good job EXCEPT in the third quarter and maybe the first few minutes of the fourth. He was getting conservative and we needed to be aggressive. I thought he did an ok job on the blitz, there could have been some other things he did to counterattack them. I did not feel he left them out to dry all game long, but there were a couple of times I felt like he did.
Having a good lead blocker and backs who can pick up blitzes would make a huge difference in this offense. I’m sure it will come in time, but perhaps not this year.
There have been so many runs that were blown-up by people Rip would have already pancaked. Also, Mayfield has been badly harassed by blitzers that Perine and Mixon have run right past.
I’ve said it many, many times. OU has not lost less than 4 games in any year when BS has a new line. I think this year can be better, but we have to recognize that it will take time build a good line and probably creativity to win without one.
I thought as a freshman Flowers looked good at times with the ball but we couldn’t figure out how to use him. In watching him lead block, I’m seeing him disappear into the pile more than laying a solid block.
Would love to see us do more screen passes into the flat when the blitz is coming. It was wide open against WVU. If we can’t block very well, that will slow down the rush.
I am late to view TFB today, but as always, JY, your work is great! Like most of us, I noticed the problems Flowers had. Still, not much push from the line.
JY, I wanted to ask about an interesting play Sunday against Denver that I thought was “creative.” Minn could not block the rush end – they lined up with a TE as a slot and blocked down on him as he rushed forward – put him on his butt. The TE then actually released out in a route. Have you seen teams do something like this on an edge-rusher?
anything you can do to make people slow down helps. Make em think about it. More than one way to skin a cat…
Thank you :). I just want to beat Texas so bad and don’t want to look ahead. A loss here would be devastating given the current state of UT program, but as you know anything can happen in this game.
PLEASE do not jinx this team with 9-0 talk and make it sound like the game vs Texas this week is a gimme. It isn’t.
I didn’t. Said that it’s possible that they could be 9-0 come baylor.
That last line is it in a nutshell. Another great one, JY.
It drives me nuts seeing OL standing around at the end of a run play. Am I missing something or are they just not finishing the play?
Thanks for your thoughts, JY.
I have seen the players on the OL do very well at times, just not consistently. I also saw Ty seem very frustrated, which I have never seen before, after he got a holding call. When they weren’t dealing with a blitz they handled 4 or 5 with no trouble. When they sent 6 or more some one(or 2) got through.
I commented the other night that Flowers was no Rip, not to be critical of the young man just stating fact. I still have the image of him not even seeing their safety #8 run by him and turning to watch Baker get sacked. He must improve or someone else needs to be used, Uhles perhaps.
For the fourth game I have seen this team improve in different areas. The OL is the area that I would like to see the next leap in improved play.
Running the football is a numbers game . When they see at least 8 in the box , OU has the ability to beat teams in the air this year . BM said in his interview yesterday that most defenses this year have stacked the line . Once teams play coverage , the run game should open up
There’s so much more to run blocking than just being big. A few freshman on the line are learning that this year. It’s one thing to hear it, it’s another to experience it. Everything from taking steps a certain way to how you use your hands makes a huge difference. Size and strength only get you so far. Kind of like a wrestler. The line has improved each week. By year’s end, this line will be looking much better considering an uptick in competition.