Updated Roster Review

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We are getting closer and closer to the season and the freshman class is in. The Oklahoma roster has been updated so we wanted to take a closer look at a few players. In our experience we’ve found that OU is one of the schools that lists pretty accurate numbers and in talking to people and checking some of these numbers they are pretty darn close to what we are hearing.

Dwayne Orso – Almost two months ago (back on May 1st) we reported (here) that Dwayne had grown to 6’5 294 lbs. That was up from 6’5 250+ lbs last fall. According to the latest roster he’s now up to 6’6 300 lbs! I was always told by folks around Orso that he had a lot of natural growing to do and clearly that is the case. Orso was recruited as a DE but it looks more and more like he’s going to grow his way into a 320+ lb NG. And even if that didn’t work out you’d have a big and ultra athletic OT prospect. I’d love to see him turn into a War Daddy though.

Carson Meier – We were all big fans of Tulsa TE Carson Meier. We loved his combination of athleticism and old school physicality. Meier is listed at 6’6 226 lbs. That’s great length and good weight. We’ll talk more about Carson another time but I’ll just tell y’all that Carson is a name we are hearing really good things about. Though he was a little more known for his physicality, his athleticism is turning heads this summer.

Steven Parker – Parker may be perhaps the most important freshman on the team. He’s incredibly talented and is vying for a spot at a position of great need. Parker reported to campus early in order to get going and word is he’s looking good. Parker came in at over 200 lbs but with all the work he’s dropped a little weight and is now coming in at 6’1 197 lbs.

Quentin Hayes – Hayes may be the best cover safety on the roster (though Parker is impressing in that department as well) and he’s always been a smaller safety. Q is listed at 6’0 190 lbs which is a little bigger than he was last year. It’s interesting when looking at the size of safeties OU is bringing in and recruiting with guys like Parker already nearly 200 lbs, Byrd at 201 lbs (though I’ve heard he’s even bigger than that right now) and Sunderland and Haughton are long athletes that will easily carry 200 + lbs.

Julian Wilson – Wilson is listed at 6’2 201 lbs. That is impressive for a nickel/safety. But even more impressive for a CB which is where Julian is looking to start this coming year. And the word we are getting is Julian is looking good. Do not be surprised if he wins the starting spot. In fact right now I’m leaning that direction.

Dakota Austin – Another CB competing for that open spot is Dakota Austin. Austin has great feet and he’s incredibly quick but one of the concerns that most have always had about him is his size. He’s currently listed at 5’11 164 lbs. Austin certainly has some talent but he’ll still need to put on a lot of weight this summer. To put it in perspective, consider that OU’s current CB commit, PJ Mbanasor is already 6’1 + and over 180 lbs and hasn’t even begun his sr season in high school. In fact, freshman Tito Winham is already 169 lbs at only 5’9.

Samaje Perine – Let’s officially name this fella “the Hulk”. He comes in at 5’11 243 lbs! We are talking about a muscular 243 lbs! We continue to hear great things about Samaje’s lateral quickness, speed and size combination.

Ogbonnia Okoronkwo – When I set out to look at the roster Obo really didn’t come to mind but I caught a glimpse of his current size and thought it was more than noteworthy. Full grown man, Devante Bond, comes in at 6’1 236 lbs. Obo is now listed at 6’1 and 240 lbs! Obo has great quickness off the edge and natural ability to turn the corner but it looks like he’s also got some nice size to hold up in the run game.

Jordan Evans – Most folks will remember that once upon a time, early in his HS career, Evans was a CB. He showed off a lot of those cover skills as a freshman in the Texas Tech game and held up surprisingly well in the run game even though he only weighed 207 lbs as a 3-4 ILB. In the spring game Evans shined, showing not only great athleticism but physicality as well. He’s now listed at 6’3 223 lbs. Would love to see him get to 230 lbs by the season. Either way with his length and the continued physical development, Evans is going to be the next great LB in OU’s storied LB tradition.

Tay Evans – Now that OU is running a 3-4 (3-3-5) defense I’ve been a big proponent of finding longer HS OLBs and converting them to ILBs in our scheme. True 3-4 ILBs with size and strength coupled with the ability to, for example, drop in a Tamp 2 technique or cover an RB are hard to find. Coaches, particularly in Texas because of all the spread attacks, like to put their super athletic players at OLB as edge rushers but still want enough size to hold the edge. Current TAMU commit Riley Garner was exactly that kind of player that I’d hoped OU would have offered and converted to an ILB. While we don’t have confirmation on where Tay Evans is going to play it’s always been my guess that he’d be moved to inside LB despite playing OLB in HS. Evans has the length to add weight and it looks he’s already carrying quite a bit of good weight for a freshman. He’s listed at a 6’2 221 lbs.

Jordan Wade – Wade did an admirable job filling in for Jordan Phillips last year. Last year he was not only young but somewhat undersized for a 2 gap NG at a little under 300 lbs. He’s now listed at 6’4 315 lbs which is a lot closer to where you’d like a 0 tech NG to be. OU has a great tandem of big athletic NGs with Phillips and Wade.

Mathew Romar – Thought Romar’s numbers were noteworthy because they almost look like a typo. He’s listed at only 6’0 287 lbs. Admittedly, I haven’t seen Romar in person but I would have guessed he’d be at least 6’2. If he really is only 6’0 and still more 10 lbs away from 300 lbs then that might explain the JUCO NG offer that went out to Deonte Reynolds. Afterall, Jordan Phillips could very well be NFL ready by the end of this season and Torrea Peterson will have graduated.

Christian Daimler & Sam Grant – Daimler and Grant are intriguing because with OU losing both starting tackles after this season they are sort of under the radar type players that could be called upon in a year. Both of them have ideal tackle length listed at 6’7. Daimler was only around 270 lbs coming out of HS and Grant  was a 240 lb TE. These two have made some great physical gains. Daimler is now listed at 6’7 300 lbs…much closer to where he needs to be as a traditional tackle. And Sam Grant is now listed at 6’7 281 lbs.

Charles Tapper – Listed at 6’4 273 lbs, this man is a freak in the truest sense of the word. Tapper is not only turning into a stud on the field but I suspect he will test well once he hits the NFL combines. Don’t be surprised if he ends up putting up the kind of numbers that launches him into 1st round draft discussion.

You can view the complete roster here.

 

125 Comments

  • SoonerBold says:

    Awesome! Pumped about Evans. Do you think we’ll see Phillips and Wade on the field together much this year?

    • Super K says:

      They’ll likely rotate because they play the same spot. I wouldn’t see any reason for them to be on the field at the same time. Great 1 2 combo at the ng though and definately gives us the ability to keep talented bodies out there that are fresh.

      • Kuzi says:

        Can’t have enough depth.

        • FeedtheMonster says:

          I just can’t help but be extremely excited about our D-line! I think we are about to see a lot of Tommy Harris +Dusty kind of play this year.

          • SoonerBold says:

            Agreed think the DL and the D in general has a chance to be top-3 in Stoops era

      • Gary Robbins says:

        Thanks for the very best info about Sooner football on any site. Quick question when in the he!! do you sleep?
        Years ago OU had a safety ( I believe) who was tall and rangy and went on to play for the Dallas Cowboys (?), can anybody help me with his name? My mind is having a brain far! this morning.

      • Boom says:

        Maybe 1, 2, 3 depth with Orso.

      • Jim says:

        Super K, I’m assuming they would both get on the field at the same time for short-yardage/goalline situations, and yeah, that’s a nice combo to have.

      • JY says:

        Maybe if you wanted to go double a gaps in some short yardage, that’d be a hard combo to push back off the ball

        • Jim says:

          You’ve got to think that if those 2 behemoths both fired A gaps that, unless a short-yardage play goes wide (like 8-9 gap wide), bad things are going to happen to the RB.

      • Boom says:

        K, have you heard anything on Marcus Green or Mike Onuoha. Pulling for Mike as he is an Okie. Green is a 6’1 CB that has the size, just don’t know anything about his skills. Like to hear more about some back ups so we will know their skill set because we have read a lot about the starters. You guys are great, thank you.

        • Super K says:

          Word on Marcus is he was really working on his cover skills before getting to OU with coach Clay Mack down in Dallas. Don’t really see him being on the field much…if at all this season. A lot to like about Mike but he’s a little which he’s going to have to work on in order to see the field as a stand up LB. Also needs more physicality in the run game. But it’s hard to know where he is now until fall camp cause right now it’s just some 7 on 7, working on out, agility drills, etc.

  • BR says:

    Cody Ford, TCU commit, leaning to OU…sorry I dont know how to post links, but ill try this

    https://oklahoma.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1653725

    • hOUligan says:

      OU seems to be turning a corner recruiting OT. Sounds like we are in a good position with Ford, James, Thomas and Akamnonu. Would they take all 4 as Ford can play OG, too.

      • SoonerBold says:

        Really want Akamnonu. Looks like he is carved out of stone and could be our next super athletic OT. He is the legacy, correct?

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Wonder what the TCU coaches think when they read something like that? lol

      I mean, it’s one thing to know that you have a kid that is committed to you, but looking around. It’s another for that kid to say he is leaning to a different school.

      • Zack says:

        Especially after losing one recruit already to ou. And seeing the same thing happening to Baylor.

    • SoonerPhins says:

      Would like to flip him. I really want to see that Louisiana pipe line open up. got a few last year and working well with some thing year.

    • Super Keith says:

      I always chuckle when recruits say things like:

      “I’m committed, but I’m leaning toward Oklahoma”.

      In other words, “I’m nowhere near being committed”. I never blame a kid for flipping (even if it’s away from OU). These are big decisions, and need to be carefully thought out. That’s why I never like to see early commits, because there is so much time between early committing and NSD.

  • BR says:

    i guess it worked … 🙂

    • CcrBoomer says:

      Wow i guess Patterson can’t keep a hold onto his 4* recruits,this will make the TCU game interesting this fall.

  • Indy_sooner says:

    Every year, the roster has 1 or 2 folks that are relatively unknown… No buzz about them at all, until the season starts and then they turn on the beast mode. Last year it was Sanchez and Striker…This year will get interesting very quickly.

    • Super Keith says:

      Unless you are an over-zealous recruitnik, that spends way too much time in the off-season following the program.

      Like myself.

    • Super K says:

      Indeed. The thing is this year OU goes into fall camp with a set scheme and some very established players. Before the scheme change, Striker was playing MLB…somewhere he didn’t belong. Sanchez was definitely a surprise.

  • Jason Vos says:

    Yes this is what I need to read in the morning. Great job guys

  • Sooner Ray says:

    Samaje, as big as he is, still runs better than a 4.5. DO NOT GET IN FRONT OF THAT MAN!

    • Oskie918 says:

      I can’t even begin to imagine the yards that young man will accumulate once he gets into the secondary, especially if he has as good of feet and balance as we are hearing. Not many defensive backs are gonna want to lower their shoulder on him once he’s bounced ’em a time or two.

    • Gary Robbins says:

      He’s fast enough to outrun you or big and tuff enough to run over you-pick your poison.

    • SoonerPhins says:

      With Keith Ford’s trucking ability and Samaje’s punishing size and speed, Big 12 defenses will not want to tackle that duo.

      • Eric Hoffpauir says:

        Love it. I could see a diamond formation with Mixon thrown in for pure speed and shiftiness. Or a heavy diamond formation with Flowers or Rip mixed in for pure muscle.

        • Ed Cotter says:

          And Alex Ross is no slouch either. Gonna be fun watching how Heupel and Norvell use these guys.

          • Super K says:

            Word we are getting is Ross is starting to really really shine. I mean difference maker, number 1 RB type shine.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            That’s really good to hear. I’ve watched that kid since he started HS. Want him and Parker to leave good marks at OU.

          • Ed Cotter says:

            My Boy, DJ Sooner, was singing Ross’s praises since he was a Jr. HS. He stated back then that he was a stud and would be a great get for OU. Hopefully he gets some good burn this fall and shows everyone what he can do.

          • ND52 says:

            “Heupel”………………yeah

    • EasTex says:

      Or behind him.
      /just sayin’

    • PLAW0720 says:

      Perine’s metrics make me think of a stiffarm winner fromTyler. SK – how does thighs measure up compared to Earl’s??

      • Sooner Ray says:

        A good comparison. They both measure 5’11” and in the 240lb range. Earl actually got his weight down some when they switched from the bone to I back formation.

  • kt-raida says:

    Great write up! I was impressed with Wade’s play last year and we would still be in playoff talks with the core from last year’s team back but when the Phillips news came through I was more than excited for what will happen up front. I’m still waiting on McNamara to come into his own.he is special,

  • Kuzi says:

    So, if Shannon is cleared to play, what do you do about Evans? He played very well in the Spring Game (granted, Spring games can be deceiving). Rotate with Shannon? Situational player (nickel packages, etc.)? Both?

    • Kanfdog says:

      Good question. I have been wondering about this too.

    • Paul Warfield says:

      Let them compete for the starting position in fall camp and whomever is the best player of the two starts.

      To me it is clearly Jordan Evans. He looked as good or better than Franklin Shannon when he came in against Texas Tech. And as everyone saw in the spring game Evans was the best inside linebacker on the field.

      • Kuzi says:

        I agree totally that there should be a competition. Again, I hesitate to read too much into the spring game. Shannon is a solid player… Not a superstar but a very good inside linebacker. Factor in that he QB’d the defense after Nelson went down, and I just find it hard to believe he isn’t the starter if eligible. I think/hope J. Evans does play a big role, because I think it is clear he is a very talented player, maybe more physically talented than Shannon. Maybe one of the brainiacs wants to chime in because I’m sure they have watched some tape.

      • Super K says:

        Agree with you Paul and with Kuzi below. I know the coaches love Dom and he had some ups. But he had plenty of struggles. And as a pure athlete he’s not Evans. Evans is fluid, instinctive, etc. What’s going to hurt Evans is that Dom won the freshman All American award and no matter what some people inside the program think about Evans, its hard to bench a kid with that accolade warranted or not.

    • Super Keith says:

      Tay or Jordan?

      Tay is almost guaranteed to be a redshirt. Jordan will see time, it just may be rotational this year.

  • Daryl says:

    Has there been any of their testing results listed anywhere? Would love to see what kind of speed this team will bring to the table.

  • SoonerBold says:

    I cannot wait for the first time Perine absolutely punishes some poor DB

  • SoonerPhins says:

    What about Dimitri Flowers? Came out of highschool at around 220lbs and is now listed at 244lbs.

    • Boom says:

      I’m with you Phins. OU does a good job with these H/FB/TE type of guys. Runnels was pure FB where Millard offered different option. Now Flowers will offer unique options to Heup & Norvell. Really interested in seeing his evolution in the offense during the course of this year.

      • SoonerPhins says:

        From the spring game alone you could see his potential. Glad OU is keeping the FB a position of interest unlike other schools who don’t use them. Flowers will be special for sure.

        • Zack says:

          Speaking of full backs ripkowski ran like a 4.55 recently they could use him to surprise some defenses catching a swing or a screen.

          • SoonerPhins says:

            Heuple will have a lot of pieces to work with. Hopefully he gets creative like he did in the Sugar Bowl.

          • Boom says:

            Really? I didn’t see that coming.

          • Chase Korenek says:

            I really hope they use Rip like they did with Matt Clap. They didn’t use him as much as Milliard, but they surprised defenses with a lateral screen when they were on the 5/10 yard line to score.

          • Jim says:

            4.55 is awfully fast for a FB. If he has not shown any propensity for fumbling, I say give him the rock 1-2 times a game, just to keep the defenses guessing and slightly more off-balance.

          • EasTex says:

            And he is listed at 257…DANG!

        • ND52 says:

          FB is used in some way at every school but—–just like the NFL—–there are simply fewer and fewer schools who actually use the FB outside of the red zone.

    • Super K says:

      Good note Phins. The word on Flowers is VERY good. When we were doing the spring practice notes we praised him quite a bit of course. But continuing to hear good stuff this summer. He’s going to see the field a lot.

  • bjwalker82 says:

    i had no idea I was Tito Windham’s size

    • Super K says:

      Tito is going to need some time but when he gets the training I think he’s going to be good.

  • BR says:

    Does anyone think walk on Thaddeus LaGrone, who showed well in spring game, see’s the field much this year?

  • rphdenton says:

    nm

    • ToatsMcGoats says:

      6’4, 310. I thought you were saying that he wasn’t on the roster! I nearly $hat myself.

      • Gary Robbins says:

        I really thought both Quincy Russell and Cortez Johnson were going to set the world on fire. They seem to be buried on the depth chart. SMH.

        • Super K says:

          I still believe Cortez’s problem has to do with a mindset and lack of consistent playing time more than it has to do with lack of ability. Obviously, I can’t prove it and I certainly understand people saying he looks stiff and doesn’t trigger fast enough. But there is just some look in his eye that says “I’m trying to not mess up” instead of that look that says “I’m going to make a play”. And in any sport, the difference between those two mentalities makes a world of difference on the court, field, or in the ring.

  • Kanfdog says:

    Thanks for all your hard work here guys! This site is now my go to when I have a minute to spare. Question for you guys though that is definitely off topic. How is Broyles doing with his rehab? Any inside word or update from him lately? You know he is a favorite of all of ours and we are all rooting for him to get well and tear up the NFL.

    • Super K says:

      Thanks bud! Broyles is doing great. He’s in Dallas right now training and really feeling good. I’ll see if he wants to give a more detailed note on his progress and if so, we’ll post it. I’ll definitely let him know you asked about him!

      • Ed Cotter says:

        Interesting note here since you are talking about Broyles. His new WR coach Robert Prince, the former OC and WR coach at Boise State, was a teammate of mine at Humboldt State. Was pumped when I found my favorite college player was going to be coached up by a former teammate. Small World.

  • EasTex says:

    My brother and I dubbed Keith Ford as the “Kraken” last year.
    So we have the Kraken, the Hulk and the RIP.
    Maybe Flowers could be “Thor” and Mixon could be “Flash.”

  • Zack says:

    Great news on grant and daimler if both get between 300-325 watch out. Tapper is already getting first round praise by some and if he gets 14 or more sacks this year teams are going to circle his name as the guy they want at LE.

    • Super K says:

      Good to hear Zack. I don’t really follow the early draft speculation much but however hot he is right now, I suspect it’ll only increase once he tests.

      • Zack says:

        He reminds me of Ray Edwards I think teams are going to have him as the number one defensive prospect.

  • Don Mitchell says:

    https://oklahoma.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1653725

    Sorry off topic, but great news THOUGHTS P L Z

    When Pineville, La. offensive lineman Cody Ford committed to TCU in the early spring he was a player who was still largely unknown in recruiting circles. As time passed the 6-foot-4, 322-pound standout has seen his notoriety jump exponentially.
    Ford was OL MVP at the New Orleans Under Armour camp.The most recent sign of growing recruiting credentials was an offer from Oklahoma offensive line coach Bill Bedenbaugh. The state of Louisiana’s No. 13 overall prospect recently visited Oklahoma and admits the offer caught his attention.
    “I definitely have an interest in Oklahoma, I’m not going to lie,” Ford admitted following learning of the offer. “It’s the facilities, they are as nice as TCU, some are nicer.
    “I went down a couple of weeks ago, me and my family. It was just a weekend. The dorms, they are bigger than a lot of dorms that I’ve seen, the stadium is huge – it’s nice. And the cold tubs, the waterfall, I haven’t seen that before. And the locker room it’s nice and they said they will be changing it all over anyway.
    “They told me they are building a whole new, I guess, changing the Switzer Center? And then bowling-in the stadium.”
    “And, you know, they have a winning history of – it’s Oklahoma.”
    With offers already in hand from Arkansas, Houston, and plenty of others Ford has maintained the Horned Frogs coach had little to worry about in regard to the solidity of his commitment.
    However, he admits that the news of the Oklahoma offer seemed to change the score somewhat.
    “It’s not that hard to stay committed to TCU, I’m always talking to a TCU coach, like every day. So I’m always contact with them,” he said. “They haven’t said anything about the other offers but when Oklahoma offered me one of their coaches sent me a message and said call me so it was kind of, I guess they got nervous.”
    Though Ford has already had a chance to see Norman, Okla. up close and aside from his fondness of the campus the bond between himself and Bedenbaugh is playing a major role in in his interest in the Sooners.
    “He is always reminding me how they are always winning and how they have a great education. He and I have a great chemistry,” he explained. “Some schools tell me I’ll play tackle, some say guard, some say I might play both. I don’t know, it all depends on when I get there and what I give out but I like tackle. [Bedenbaugh] just said that as of now it’s tackle or guard and once I get there it’ll settle out.
    “It doesn’t matter to me though, wherever they need me to play.”
    Ford’s parents, as one might expect, will play a big part in his recruitment and will sit down with him later this summer – after a few remaining camp dates – and try to hash out his final college destination before the start of his senior season.
    “They want me to go to a place that I can achieve my goals, which is to get to the NFL,” he said. “I’m going to the LSU camp in like two weeks and then a Mississippi State camp, I’m going to sit down with my coaches and my family after that and figure out what I’m going to do.”
    So does Ford consider himself a Horned Frog commitment at this point in time?
    “I’m committed but honestly I’m leaning toward Oklahoma.”

    • Super K says:

      Good stuff there! JY talked to Cody last week and I spoke to him earlier this week and things sounded positive both times. We’ll add a little update about what he told us tomorrow. Thanks for posting that!

  • Super Keith says:

    Good grief, Joseph Paul is 25 pounds shy of 4 bills! We have certainly done a better job of getting size where we need it recently!

    I know Farniok, Grant, Daimler are the taller guys on the team, and Paul appears to be the heaviest player, but pound for pound I think Dionte Savage is the biggest/baddest guy on the roster. He’s a beast.

    • Zack says:

      Wow I hope that’s a mistake on Paul 374 is unimaginable

      • Super Keith says:

        Me too.

        My concern is that there was a time, last year, when Paul was carrying too much weight. If those numbers are accurate, then he regained whatever he lost.

        • Gary Robbins says:

          Imagine this on a 1st and goal.
          t: Daryl Williams 6-6/329
          g: Dionte Savage 6-4/343
          c: Nila Kasitati 6-4/315
          g: Adam Shead 6-4/339
          t: Tyrus Thompson 6-5/336
          te: Blake Bell: 6-6/259
          Aaron Ripkowski (6-1/257) leading Samaje Perine (5-11/243).
          That’s some serious weight!

        • Zack says:

          At 374 you wonder if a person is capable of walking

          • Eric Hoffpauir says:

            We had a guy on our HS team who was about 350. He wasn’t good for much more than falling forward though, and he was a third stringer once he reached varsity level.

          • Zack says:

            Yeah that’s why as big as football players are you don’t see many at the NFL level play above 350 it’s way too much

          • Kuzi says:

            How big was Loadholt in ’08.

          • Boom says:

            Not over 350 but he was 6’8. big difference.

          • Super Keith says:

            Yeah, Phil had height, Paul doesn’t.

            This was an issue with Paul last summer (prior to his senior season), so I suspect he’ll get it back where it needs to be (not that he’ll have much choice once he starts workouts).

          • Zack says:

            Not sure but he’s listed at 343 online

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

            I know it’s the opposite side of the ball but, Gilbert Brown’s playing weight was around 340. That dude was one big hateful ball.

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

            I shouldn’t…but…LOL!

  • Zack says:

    Sounds like lampkin is excited about ou again. He mentioned on twitter that he scheduled his official for ou vs Tennessee

    • Gary Robbins says:

      Do you like him? Some people didn’t like his 1st step. I haven’t seen film on him but Montgomery offered him for some reason. It sure looks like Tennessee is going to be huge for official visits from recruits.

      • Zack says:

        I like him more than Johnson not that they are similar at all but I think lampkin fits a 3 man front. But there’s other I would rather have at DE.

      • Super K says:

        I’d put Jacobs, Gallimore and Campbell all in front of him. Just my opinion.

        • Gary Robbins says:

          Things happen for a reason. I believe when Wariboko and Lampkin de-committed that Bedenbaugh, Montgomery, and B. Stoops dug a little deeper and worked that much harder to find the student athlete that wants to play at OU. With the upgrades, the 2014 season will be the start of something great for the next few decades.
          Would or can OU take Jacobs, Gallimore, and Campbell?
          I used to wonder if OU would be able to get enough recruits for 2014 now I wonder who’s going to be left out.

  • Kuzi says:

    Sugar Bowl is on ESPNU

  • shawn says:

    So I just looked at the roster and I didn’t realize how young this team is until today.

  • ND52 says:

    Thought Romar’s numbers were noteworthy because they almost look like a typo. He’s listed at only 6’0 287 lbs.

    “Cough” Kelly Gregg “Cough”………….

  • Brad Warren says:

    Who f 2014 recruiting class isn’t on campus due to grades or other reasons? Who had to go juco route?