Sooners News Daily 9.1.14
Posted on: September 1, 2014
FOOTBALL
True freshman who played Saturday night: Jeffery Mead, Steven Parker, Michiah Quick, Jordan Thomas, Samaje Perine, Wesley Horky, and Jonathan Alvarez, and Dimitri Flowers.
‘Samaje Perine makes an immediate impact’ (Enid News)
OU opened as a 23 point favorite over Tulsa, but is already up to as high as (-26) at one Vegas casino. (VI)
OU vs. Tulsa will be on ABC or ESPN2, depending on where you live (coverage map will probably be out Wed/Thur). (Sooner Sports)
Major loss for Texas with their starting center and by far most experienced lineman going down for the season. (Houston Chronicle)
OSU fans at GameDay embarrassed themselves and the state of Oklahoma. (AP)
Baylor has claimed the title of Texas’ best program (though for my money it’d still be TAMU). (Fox Sports)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2dbY6EjWxw
OTHER
OU Soccer pulled off a big time upset of No. 6 Florida on Friday, but dropped a 1-0 result to FSU on Sunday. (Sooner Sports)
Looks promising.
96 Comments
Dimitri Flowers also played
And played really well. Good eye.
Yeah, but he doesn’t seem like a true freshman……well, and neither does Perine. Great group of freshmen.
Perine is going to be fun to watch over the next several years. See you in two weeks Ed.
Heck ya. Will text you early next week to see what we want to do with the tailgating. Gonna be a blast.
I think Perine may actually have a better 1st move that Ford and Ross. (ability to make first defender miss) Which would be unique considering his body build.
That’s what I saw, too. I was shocked at how shifty he is given his size and bulk.
That he has come in and fit into the line-up almost seamlessly is incredible. And OU ripped him away from Boise State? Good eye there BSU coaches.
Added, thanks
Sign “send them on the trail of tears”, insensitive, but in the age of all getting a ribbon and being PC it’s ok to do the ‘tomahawk chop’ while chanting some stereotyped movie sound-byte aaa-ooo-aaaa–oo-aaaa—aaa-aa-oooo over and over. Got it.
To be fair, there are plenty of Indians who disagree with those actions you mentioned. It is not at all okay, and FSU using the ‘Seminoles’ as their mascot actually opens the door to behavior like the OSU sign and the ‘tomahawk chop ‘, which plenty of Indians I know personally find quite offensive. Just because FSU does it regularly, does not make it any more okay or less offensive.
Plenty of Indians I know couldn’t care less.
Don’t get me wrong, plenty of Indians I know feel the same way. I personally couldn’t care less about mascots as long as it’s the same for all races. I think the cartoonishness could be toned down a bit though, especially in the Cleveland Indians case. The point is, as an Indian myself, is that while I may not personally feel offended by a mascot like the Seminoles or redskins (which I am not), I can totally understand if another Indian is. I know the history and I respect it, and I feel that there is no malice meant in today’s mascots. Historically, maliceful intent may be a little more muddled. I also feel that other Indians do have a right to feel offended at some of the ridiculous things portrayed during football exhibitions. I can definitively see how someone could easily and justifiably be offended by things like the redskins based off of my own experiences in today’s world. I have plenty of friends and family who don’t care, but I also have tons who really wish the mascots would go away. The biggest problems I have with it are that Indians don’t really have a say in whether the mascots can be used or not. I guess their voices are being heard more now through the media, but I have to admit, I’m not a fan of the blowback that the discussion is getting from the general population. The other problem I have with the mascots is where is the money going. Everyone knows the struggles of American Indians in America in the past and, especially, present. Yet, our image that my people have worked to cultivate is being used to make some guy in a suit, or in FSU’S case, an institution, a boatload of money, which they hardly use to help American Indians at all. Everyone gets so mad about college players not being able to make money off of their likeness, but when Indians say something about someone else making money off their image, they are casino hungry and money grabbing. I don’t mean to cause strife because I really enjoy this board, and felt like I can offer a unique perspective without being trolled or shouted down. I think that is a testament to the posters here. I didn’t mean to ramble, but, so is life
I think you have a very good point about the money. It would be awesome if every member of the tribe got a commission from the money brought in. I know people who are Seminole, and they like FSU. I think if it is done in a way that honors a tribe, and they get input from the people of that tribe that is good. The thing on FSU’s campus that says “Unconquered” is pretty cool. The Cleveland type of stuff should not be anymore in my opinion.
You’re going to get a bunch of white people claiming they know Indians who don’t care or “consider it a term of endearment”. But people on the Rez do care, which is why it’s become an issue.
In all fairness when the PC crowd started acting outraged a few years ago the Seminole tribe itself stepped up and said that they consider themselves warriors- as the only tribe to have never surrendered to American troops- and they considered it an honor to be memorialized on the football field. The fake native Americans had to slink away since they were actually white people trying to stir up outrage at THEIR feelings, not those of the real Indians.
To be clear in light of my sarcasm, I find both actions offensive and what I have trouble with is the idea I need to differentiate as to which is most or least offensive, NoDak Fighting Sioux or Seminoles, or OK, the Seminoles’ chant, because one administrative body says so. An issue emotions run high over and would rather we talked football so am sorry I chose to comment. How ’bout them Sooners!!!
I think it’s incredibly offensive to even reference the trail of tears where so many died. But OSU is known for their lack of class. Case in point- the end of last years game against us where they were throwing things and one student was trying to trip an active player on the field. Plus they keyed my truck that one time! A Ford Lightning, at that! The gall of those punks!
It’s even worse because these jerks are in the state where the trail ended. Also, newsflash – those Seminoles where in no way a part of the Trail of tears. UNCONQUERED.
Suffice it to say that OSU fans/ students can be insensitive and ridiculous. Trail of Tear sign, tripping guys after defensive touchdowns. throwing snowballs, just a few examples. ABC/ESPN may think long and hard before having Game Day there again.
Lol funny how ppl forget Dmitri Flowers is a freshman. Its like Trey Millard is still out there
Guilty as charged. He’s been added now.
I think Mead will become a weapon soon, looks the part. Just needs some experience
I agree. He and smallwood just need some more reps but I think it will get better by the time we play Tennessee and we will need one of them to make a big catch. I’m still not worried about our offense I think they kept it simple and didn’t want to ask knight to do too much since his backup was the starting TE.
The OSU fight song is the *real* embarrassment. I’m looking over my shoulder for a carnival when I hear it. The sign? Meh.
I just re-looked at Shep’s TD (the one he got credit for anyway). There is no doubt he got a “low 5” from the referee. Hope the dude doesn’t get in trouble.
I thought I saw the ref move his hand out of the way and behind his back.
He did, or it sure looked that way. He moved it real quick.
Shep tried to give him five, but the ref pulled his hand back.
Shep went for it, but the ref pulled his hand out of the way at the last. Pretty funny.
Noticed that too. Thought I was seeing things. Pretty funny.
Shep’s got some personality, now.
This a good representation of what it feels like to tackle Samaje. {rtf1ansiansicpg1252
{fonttbl}
{colortbl;red255green255blue255;}
}
Perine and Flowers already look like seasoned vets, Quick, Mead, and Parker just need some time on the field to gain some confidence. All the freshmen show signs of true talent and the future looks bright for all of them.
Did you see how high zack Sanchez jumped to get that pick? If he plays like that all year we may be looking for his replacement soon.
Also Grissom looked extremely athletic from the jack.
Yes I did and he is very good in pass defense but I would like to see him be a little better at wrapping up on runners. He will need to be a complete package to go high in the draft. I hope we keep him through his Senior year, but I’m selfish that way. 🙂
No doubt I hope we get to keep him that long too. I’m sure the coaches turned on the film and said let’s aim for the ankles next time, your 175 soaking wet, if it didn’t work against la tech it’s not going to work vs anyone else.
I think the five or so of us make this unanimous …. Call us quality control.
That pic as well as the blocked FG were extremely athletic moves by Sanchez. He does need to wrap up better though. If he continues to rely on a one hit tackle, he’s going to get burned at some point this season.
I thought the same thing. There was one play where he did that and I screamed at the TV, “HAVE YOU LEARNED NOTHING?”
No kidding. He is to light in the britches to knock someone down he needs to collar the legs.
Grissom completely shut down the passing lane to his side. Guy is amazing at timing his jump.
I think he’s going to end up with a first round grade. It will depend on how his combine goes but I don’t see why teams especially late in the first round wouldn’t want him as their pass rushing olb. To me his ceiling his Demarcus ware and that’s a pretty good potential.
Flowers looked every bit like Millard as a freshmen. He needs to clean up his game but he did more good than bad. Now if he has that hurdle move we saw in Millard then we shall all be intertained!
I finally read where there are several(if not all) of the OU coaches that are disappointed in how the Frank Shannon situation is being played out. Wonder if we could get some insight as to how this could effect our recruiting. Are the recruits aware of this situation, and if so, would any be willing to comment on how/if these actions have effected their thought process in regards to coming to play at Oklahoma.
I know we made quite an impression on Malik Jefferson during his visit, but the fact that he is related to Frank makes me pretty skeptical on how he views OU now.
Watching Boren and Castiglione during the broadcast fawn about their working relationship with each other and Coach Bob, kept wondering what kind of strain this is causing.
I’ve been wondering the same thing.
Don’t want to cause a fight, but Boren and Joe didn’t start this mess. I know it is hard to understand, but the whole thing goes back to Frank. None of us know the “real facts” of what actually happened.
I know this is hard for some to understand, but David Boren and Joe Castigilione have to protect OU’s interests as that is their job. I hate it as much as the next guy, but blaming Boren and Joe for this mess is simply putting the blame in the wrong spot. At least that is my opinion/thought on the situation.
It is just like Mixon’s deal. Had Joe taken care of his business and just walked away from a really bad situation he would be playing this year. You simply can’t blame OU for him being suspended either.
You want to blame someone other than Frank then blame the US Congress for passing a flawed piece of legislation and the US Department of Education for the way they are enforcing it.
That is who I blame.
Can’t argue with this.
Hey- I can and I did! LOL! Everyone realizes it’s a political decision and then throws their hands up and gives up. Even Blevins and John Holcomb were complaining last night, as much as they can given FCC AND of course NCAA restrictions on broadcasters.What if it were YOU in his shoes, Blaster?
Great post
I agree. Has anyone read the Title IX law. Is it automatic suspension from the school for 1 year and lose of scholarship? Are there any lesser penalties like suspension for 3 games? Are you allowed any type of due process or appeal? Is there any way to prove your innonce?
I have looked into this and the penalties are not “adjustable” to fit the situation. If found in violation the minimum is one year suspension the maximum is expulsion.
As I was wondering above who actually found him in violation?
The OU title IX committee.
Thanks man. I love those secret committies. It’s on to Tulsa and a big win for OU. Anxious to see the improvement this week.
It’s a politically driven process to show the federal government is concerned about violence against women. It is obviously very biased against males at every stage and that can result in some ludicrous cases where there is no proof, there are no criminal charges, and they then run what could best be described as a Kangaroo court where the burden of proof is very low, and the defendant is essentially required to prove his innocence! That’s un-American and unconstitutional.
If none of us know the “real” facts then how does it all go back to Frank? That makes no sense at all. If he is innocent then the rest of this is nothing but Kabuki theater to keep the Federal Government happy, with no consideration for the young man involved whatsoever! As shown by the decision to not play him even though a judge has ruled him eligible. We all understand CYA- but I for one won’t declare a man guilty that has been convicted of nothing, simply because the legislation is “flawed” Don’t you have an obligation to do the moral thing regardless of what some bureaucrat, simply driven by an ideology that believes the man is always wrong, tells you to do? And what happens when the woman says nothing happened and you still punish the person? As is our present case. Is that Congresses fault as well? Because the school can play him if it wishes to- and I wish they had the courage to do so.
Well, they always fawn over each other in interviews.
I don’t think this is causing strain. It might be a point of disagreement but Shannon is a small part of what they all do. I think OU is acting on the side of caution and unfortunately that impacts Shannon. Of OU were to suffer a financial title IX penalty then you would be talking several students taking a hit. I think title IX is the problem and is somehow being overlooked media scrutiny (we have scrutinized the heck out of it). I would love for ESPN outside the lines or 30/30 do an updated examination of this policy.
Ding, ding, ding. No more calls, please. We have a winner.
ESPN wouldn’t touch such a story! They are as PC as they are SEC promoters.
Where did you read about the coaches take on the Shannon deal?
I would like to know the story also but I do think the coaches want shannon on the field and believe this was a political move by the university. Why else would they practice shannon with the ones until the game week prep.
But I hope this gets resolved in favor of shannon because it don’t like the he said she said scenarios. I wonder if she was expelled from school? If not then I think Shannon’s lawyer should have a field day.
I read it on OUI, but they didn’t name the coach for obvious reasons. However like Zack says, I didn’t need to read it anywhere for confirmation. He was running with the 1’s all the way up until about 10 days before the season. I find it very hard to believe the coaches would have played Gastelum ahead of Shannon. Those facts pretty much back up the fact that his not playing was not a coaching decision.
I can understand why the coaches have to stay out of this discussion. They really have no bearing on its outcome and they still have a schedule to play and 84 other scholarship players to tend to. I thought a Cleveland country judge had suspended the sentence (I am not sure of the legal term for this) while Shannon’s appeal was going on, meaning he could play. Guess it would be a strange situation if his suspension was upheld somewhere in the season and he had played x number of games. How would that work out? The rest of this season and some of the next? I can see having him set out now would allow Shannon to play next year if the suspension by title IX is upheld. But it’s a wasted opportunity for Shannon if the suspension is overturned as he will have sit out for nothing.
I thought it would work out where he might be able to play while the appeal was pending, which would go on until after January and then he would either get to stay in school or go NFL …
School: We think you violated Fed Law and so we suspend you
Frank : Let me get my due process under the Fed Law and appeal
Judge : Y’all chill-out until we review
School : You are suspended despite your appeal being in process
Frank : ???
Who is keeping Shannon from “playing”?
1. NCAA
2. Federal government
3. District Attorney
4. Norman police dept.
5. Lie detector tests
6. Alleged victim
7. Bob Stoops
8. David Boren
9. A “secret” council of faculty, students, plus a chief of staff of student affairs.
Just wondering.
The only body on your list that is empowered to do such 1,2,7,8. I have not heard anything about the NCAA in this. Federal government only of the Justice Department has a title IX over watch agency. My objections to the title IX committee have been voiced clearly and several times on this site.
I guess Boren has the final say so but was reading somewhere that he follows what the council of student affairs reccomends. Some have wondered how this might affect recruiting and would other schools use it as a tool against OU. Nobody knows and we will have to wait till February for the real answer. If the team wins all their games everything will be ok. How about this: Shannon, DGB, Mayfield, and Mixon come back next year madder and meaner than ever on the football field.
I’ve thought about its impact on recruiting too. I’ve come to the conclusion that recruits are so wrapped up in their own self interest (which is understandable) that this won’t matter what happens with Shannon if they think OU will get them to the next level.
i agree with you Blaster about it’s impact on recruiting.
I read the OSU student’s apology on Newsok and I thought he was sincere and he stated himself well. He offered no explanation or excuse and said “my bad”. Basically he saw it one way and when others brought it to his attention about how it came across he realized his offense. The only thing that makes the PC thing more galling is when someone does offend unintentionally that they are crucified. This world has become intolerant of honest mistakes or learning from a bad decision and even scarier—– skeptical of sincere apologies. This young man and many others got a crash course on native American experience in the U.S and I for one think that is a good thing. Mistake turned learning experience. “Let him who has not sinned cast the first stone.” Don’t care what your beliefs are, that’s a good standard right there. End of sermon.
Enough of the PC crap. If people don’t like it, then just ignore it. Bunch of whiny little girls.
If something is offensive, it’s offensive. Political correctness has nothing to do with it.
Offensive only if you choose to be offended. And yes, that is the basis of political correctness. No matter what you do, somebody will take offense.
And knowing that we’ve offended someone should be enough for us to stop doing it anymore. Is there anything that offends you so much that you wish someone wouldn’t do it, say it?
You do understand that the mascot you celebrate is a remembrancer of the unlawful entry of white settlers into tribal land ceded to the U.S. government, right? I am offended by your user name. Take it down.
Sooners were cheaters, LOL. Who knew?
Sure, if it’s directed at me personally. Where I get really offended is when somebody tries to tell me what I can or cannot say or do or how I should think. If someone doesn’t like what I say or do, let them ignore me … but when you try to censor me you’ve got a problem on your hands.
The thing that gets me is that its not the people who should be offended that say something, its usually the people whiter than me who want to cry foul
Just curious who asked stoops if he had a chance to talk with gundy after the osu game on Saturday night. His answer was no, in case you were wondering.
I was watching parts of that game with my friend and he was wearing his cowboy boxers or something. And kept telling me we need osu to be good. I kept telling him then tell them to stop sucking so bad.
That db doesn’t look comfortable…
Just the first of many!
Sah-mah-jay!
BOOMER!
There was one play where he trucked two defenders. The only reason he went down was because his feet got tangled in their bodies. One guy got up only after pausing on his hands and knees and the other had to adjust almost every part of his equipment.
Tried to post below but it didn’t come up correctly.
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/national-reaction-oklahoma-already-looking-to-impress-selection-committee-for-college-football-playoff.html/
Well here is where the pic is. SIGH! #hateitwhenthishappend
? for jy if he’s around, or anyone…….I couldn’t see the game, but there are several posts on oui saying that bell had a rough day in the blocking dept, in their opinion………any thoughts here……thxs
Stoops said he doesn’t know where either are. Bell had a few real nice blocks but from what I understand and the little bit I have seen he struggled a little. Still have to watch the entire game but Bell lined up all over the place.
Also some people expect perfection on every play and that is not realistic. First game of the season.
@ryaber: Stoops: “We’ll see” on Cortez Johnson. “He’ll have to find out by today or then I’ll make a decision.” #Sooners
People are going to complain about anything. Was he as solid as rip may have been in that situation? Probably not but he’s probably as good of a blocking TE as we have on the roster. The other guys may be more used to blocking but bell is probably stronger than McNamara and ijalana. He at least got in there and got pushed around but that’s better than whiffing completely.
He had a few really nice blocks (i.e. first td ran right behind him), and a few whiffs. It’s a process, but I was personally excited by his performance.
I know I’m looking too far ahead, but I’m dying to see Kasitati pull around and blow up Shawn Oakman. I hope the coaching staff posts one of his little media gems on every Sooner locker (taken from NewsOK):
“That game from OU last year, that should have showed you that that product was nowhere near as good as the product that Baylor was putting on the field,” Oakman told the paper. “The execution, the players from each and every position … You could tell we were on a different level from OU. Just straight out.”
I hope they keep poking the bear. They did play much better than ou last year. But everyone there wants ou fans to quit talking about the past and the 7 national titles and however many conference titles (I lost count) but yet they want to talk about last year? That’s the past right?
Yeah, and they seem to gloss right over their bowl game fiasco. “Just straight out,” says Oakman (whatever the heck that means). Go Knights!
I don’t think Baylor and reality are in contact with each other right now.
I can’t help myself, I love a mystery. QR posted a pic today on his FB page with his friends while wearing an OU football shirt. His mother also posted Sat morning wishing him luck and saying she loved the Sooners. The fact he was a no show at the game is puzzling! Feels like there’s more to the story than we know.
Most of you probably already saw this, but Austin Seibert tweeted that he will be in Norman for the Tennessee game. He’s coming in as Hunnicutt is leaving. NEXT MAN UP!