Sooners News Daily 8.12.14
Posted on: August 12, 2014
Man, so sad, RIP Robin Williams
FOOTBALL
The Frank Shannon situation got even messier yesterday after the official statement OU released as the university is now asking the state Supreme Court to step in. (NewsOK)
La Tech game is now a sellout, which means the only OU home game yet to do so is vs. Kansas. (Twitter)
Former Sooners OL, Trent Williams, benching close to 500 lbs. (if I counted the plates on each side right)
BASKETBALL
ESPN is buying OU b-ball this coming season as the Sooners could have as many as four Big Monday games. (Twitter)
OTHER
Um, no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z0VAmb4uVI
Kind of surprised kid actually kept it together, respect.
Further evidence this is the greatest show of all time and spans all generations.
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Anyone catch the cowboy caravan in Tulsa last night? I forgot all about it, damn. 🙂
I thought cowboys rode in cattle drives?!? Just sayin….
Man, you said it. God speed, Robin.
Woke up this AM and although the sun was shining, it was just a little darker knowing Robin Williams is no longer here. RIP.
Just so, Buddy… just so.
Is that 4 or 5 plates on that bar for Trent?
five each side I believe
That’s what I’m counting for 495 for 3 solid reps. Seriously salty.
Someone help me here. The DA chose not to prosecute Shannon, but the University is choosing to suspend him anyway? Can someone explain that so that those of us that don’t hold law degrees can understand?
The DA handles criminal stuff (which is also local). The University is acting in line with Title IX, a Federal regulatory statute with roots in the Federal Constitution. Think of it in terms of getting acquitted of a crime….but still being liable for civil penalties.
It isn’t quite the same but I can’t help but note that many laws such as sexual harassment regulations specifically exempt members of Congress and the President from the rules that they hold the rest of us to. Hostile workplace indeed!
“Due process” – done over and over and over and over and over until some meddler finds some rule some place in order to tear their pound of flesh.
Sounds like double jeopardy, just by another method.
Smell test – failed.
Thanks Jed. So in other words, OU is just covering their own backside in regards to the Federal statute.
I do hope this has been explained to the players on the team(and future recruits), so that they don’t think that the University doesn’t support them. I am curious though why the committee came down with such a harsh punishment, even though Shannon was never charged, and the woman in this incident changed her story.
If OU doesn’t comply, they risk all Federal funding. At the end of the day, the University would continue without football. Without Federal money? Not so much.
Regulations like this are crafted to be blunt hammers. They are put in place when big sections of the citizenry insist on abusing their fellows and won’t take more gentle hints.
“So in other words, OU is just covering their own backside in regards to the Federal statute.”
Bingo!
It has NO roots in the constitution which states that all people are the same under the law. It does not state that some are a little more special then others….
Look I’m not going to get sucked into one of these jeremiads. Go look up Title IX yourself. The line of precedent cited is clear. You can disagree with the SCOTUS all you want, but until you get that very same court to agree with you, the law of the land stands.
The concept of protected classes is well established.
And my point was confined to distinguishing between State and Federal jurisdiction. Criminal matters are mostly state and compliance with a Federal Reg is most certainly Federal. That, at its most basic, is why a DA’s decision not to prosecute is not dispositive to the regulatory action.
Not only do I get the best OU information on TFB but I believe I’ll be leaving it with a law degree as well.
Lol…right…lol
Yeah, what Jed said. Also, in order for a DA to file criminal charges, he/she will have to determine whether they can convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the person committed the crime. I’m sure the standard is much lower for the university. Not to mention the rules of evidence are likely much more lax in the administrative setting as opposed to the evidence code followed by state and federal courts.
And not to mention that Boren, and virtually the entire faculty aside from the business school professors, are liberal Democrats, so when an allegation goes before the hearing panel, then the faculty and staff, followed by the final appeal to the chief student affairs officer (a member of the faculty and staff) it is virtually the same people at every point along the way. In their defense, they are threatened by the NCAA and the Federal government and oftentimes punished for almost any allegation by a female against a male if no action is taken. This makes Universities run by leftist academics even more prone to punish male students or athletes even in cases where it is completely “he said- she said” and there is no other evidence, The regular students bulldozed by political correctness are simply not newsworthy so the public rarely hears about their punishments under the poorly written and deliberately female biased title IX laws. Many people know they are the source of men’s programs being cut across the nation but few know of the suspensions and expulsion judgments many male students are subjected to in this country.
Please leave politics off this site. Thanks.
What part was incorrect Eric?
I’m not going to get into specifics. I just think there are other places we can talk about politics. I’d rather keep this site for football and things related to our beloved Sooners.
Thanks Eric. Yes, political and religious discussions are fine elsewhere but they aren’t topics we want on this site. This is primarily a football site. There are other appropriate forums for those kinds of discussions.
None of it, but Eric is right in that we should probably not get into the political side of this. Would hate to see this board turn into what others have(OUI). Does seem as if the man doesn’t get any “benefit of the doubt” anymore. Here’s a little something that someone posted over there that is pretty interesting.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/backlash-college-men-challenge-guilty-until-proven-innocent-standard-for-sex-assault-cases/article/2551863
I understand. But the Title IX regulations are, by their very definition, political in nature. Excellent link lovethemsooners! I hope everyone here reads it.
Social Conservatism offers helpful advice on this point: don’t have sex before marriage.
Bazinga! Situation solved!
Pagan, I don’t completely disagree with you, but you’re drawing your lines in Sharpie when they ought to be a fine point drafting tool.
What are you talking about?
A foolproof way to avoid Title IX complaints.
And, that I think that trying to tie supposed political bias on the part of the faculty or admin into this is a stretch. There’s enough there without politics to generate the action they’ve taken. Could you have gone less? Definitely. But what was done, apparently, is certainly within a logical realm without implying any political bias.
Curious why the guy that always starts a political diatribe is usually ignorant of which he speaks. Please, just stop.
I wasn’t trying to start a political diatribe but state the political nature of Title IX laws. And I wrote that three hours ago. I’m anything but ignorant but I understand that’s all you got.
IMO, you are! Please, just stop!
I offer the same advice to you.
Think Duke Rape Case. All defendants were assumed guilty until it was proven their accuser was a pathological liar. That is the state of sexual politics in schools today. If you are the male, you are just guilty. End of story.
Unless you’re at Florida State, which was just as wrong the other way in my opinion.
RIP Robin Williams. Goes to show that celebrities have their own demons just like we do.
Thought I’d share a clip from “Mrs. Doubtfire,” one of my favorites from him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAp8j4c2LGs
Truly heartbreaking. Sometimes comedians are more depressed than others, and their “funnyman” acts are a compensation for that. Jim Carrey seems to have been in the same boat at times. Just too sad.
Trent Williams….that is just insane. WOW
Potential 4 Big Monday games….Lon Kruger has really made this program something to be proud of. As crazy as it sounds, yes I can’t wait for football season. But Kruger has me pumped for Sooner hoops.
Saved By The Bell….now that was great TV.
Mario Lopez was probably embarassed to film on those tumbling mats! He was a California High School state placer in 1991 @ 160lbs, 7th. Wrestled for Chula Vista H.S. out of the San Diego county section. That section went on to place 3 at his weight: 1st, 7th and 8th. He was a pretty legit folkstyle wrestler.
5 TFB threads yesterday!!! I didn’t know what to do.
never. stop. reading.
Greatness, what are they feeding him:-).
Was just at my bank, spreading the good word of TFB, and I happened to reach a few lost souls. They say that they’ll definitely check out the site. I left smiling as they were reaching for their phones.
You’re always a team player Toats.
outstanding
I just have one last question in regards to the Shannon thing and I’ll leave it alone. I’m curious what the current players think. Do they feel like their school doesn’t support them, or do they for the most part understand why OU is doing this? If someone wants to give their take on how this could possibly effect our recruiting, that wouldn’t bother me either. Thanks in advance.
I’m sure they all feel differently. I understand everyone’s desire that the players feel supported, but I get tired of everyone assuming the University is out to get people (not saying you feel this way). This is a big problem across the country, and it’s a difficult issue. People need to be vigilant in not letting their football blinders affect their judgment. I’m not saying Frank is guilty or not guilty of anything, I haven’t been presented with all the information. However, if I were on the committee, I would do my best to ignore the fact that Frank is on the team. Obviously, for fans, this creates a stake in a situation in which they would otherwise have none, which in turn causes people to prefer a certain outcome. That preference colors their view of the situation and about what the University should or should not do, and can create some nasty commentary/accusations. It’s amazing, but not surprising, the strength of opinions on this issue considering how little we really know.
Hey, I’ve been lurking since this spring, but this is my first time posting. Just wanted to say I love the site, and that I would happily pay for all the info you give out. Keep up the good work.
Anyway, I just saw this article over on B/R that really is the epitome of journalistic impartiality that you all might enjoy (yes, that was sarcastic).
Roll Tide -> http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2159193-debunking-the-myth-that-nick-saban-defenses-cant-stop-the-no-huddle
Thanks for the link Drew, and welcome! I did notice that Saban had an awfully long list of things they could do better at the end of that report LOL.
Appreciate you reading and now commenting as well!
It’s my pleasure. I’ve been watching OU football for as long as I can remember (specifically, the safety during the 2000 championship game. I was 6 at the time, and was very confused), but I understand what’s going on better than ever through this site. You’re doing an awesome job.
The thing that no one mentions is that the excuse of playing a “consolation” game is indicative of either poor sportsmanship on the players part or poor coaching. If a coach can’t motivate their team to play 110% after a loss they aren’t worth a penny.
OK its after 7am where is my updATE??? I will have my update!!!!!
Good grief this board is the new drug of choice