This week Oklahoma travels to Lubbock to play Texas Tech. Anytime Oklahoma plays Tech we all expect to see the ball in the air quite a bit. But last weekend Oklahoma struggled mightily against the pass, especially in the second half.
Defenses, anymore, cannot survive without good or even elite coverage ability and right now, for various reasons, OU is far from that. This weekend freshman Jordan Thomas will get the start at cornerback and I very much look forward to seeing the young and talented freshman play a full game. Last week, by the time he came in Baylor had mostly pulled out of the five wide and began running the ball more so it was difficult to see how he would have dealt with some of the challenges that set posed. However, it did appear he was breaking on the ball quickly which is critical to stop those short routes…especially from an off position.
Texas Tech’s staff surely saw what we all saw, namely that OU struggled when Baylor went to five wide receiver sets. OU will need to be prepared to deal with that in case Tech decides to attack them in the same way.
Last week the plan against the five wide appeared to be a combination of cover 0 house blitzes and 3 man zone blitzes with cloud coverage behind it. It would have been nice to see OU take away some of the pre-snap reads on the outside from a single high look with some press on the edges even if they bailed. Perhaps even some cover 1 robber to allow 4 man pressure to get there while playing tighter coverage across the board while still maintaining safety help with a roaming defender underneath. Part of the issue you deal with when someone goes 5 wide on you is they force you to declare certain things early just by virtue of the fact that you require a minimum of 5 players to match 5 WRs.
Let’s look at the cover 0 look. As you can see in the image below, OU has no safety help and five DBs to match their five WRs. Traditionally in a cover 0 you play off coverage but you’ve got to trigger on the quarterbacks drop. Petty will 3-step drop and though the pressure gets in there immediately, OU isn’t able to get to the hitch route quick enough to make the call effective. Look at each DB below. Sanchez on the far side is still giving ground by the team Petty is about to throw the ball though in fairness he’s likely reading the quarterback there. Hayes is still in a back-pedal. Parker has already begun to break, which is great to see. Thomas is buzzing and ready to break and Julian appears to be doing the same thing. But still it doesn’t matter because it’s pitch and catch and an easy pick up for the Bears.
Below we’re going to see the same look. The number 1 receiver to the field is going to take his free release and run a slant.
Again, the pressure gets in immediately but it’s an easy throw and run after the catch for Baylor. Zack can’t get there in time and this plays yields a 13 yard gain:
Here Baylor is going to get a back in the backfield and OU will go to a cover 1. They’ve got a stacked set to the field. To the boundary we see Julian off about 7 yards. If he’s going to play that technique, he’s got to be willing to break quickly otherwise this becomes too easy.
Julian gives far too much ground here and it’s easy pickings. Additionally on 2nd and 4 Baylor has an easy option to the field as well.
Another thing OU tried against the 5 wide set was a zone blitz with a cloud 3 coverage on the back end. The problem that’s going to happen as this transpires is that ultimately Petty knows pre-snap that it’s likely some kind of zone blitz call because of the defensive alignment. And he knows that if OU does bring the boundary pressure then the WR has ample space to run his route or adjust his route accordingly.
You don’t need me to tell you that overall the defense had a bad day. Julian had a difficult day for certain but it was a bad day all around. Sometimes it was a bad call. Sometimes it was a perfect call but the defense didn’t execute properly. But you’ve got to look closer to really understand what the problem is.
For example, most of you recall the deep ball in the second half where Julian walked up and was about 5 yards from the LOS. While, OU attempts to make that call look like a cover 1…if you watch the play all the way through it’s a cover 3. Julian’s mistake here was not physical like many are trying to suggest. His mistake is in technique. First of all, in that coverage call there is simply no reason to let a man get behind you. He has underneath help and I get that OU is trying to disguise the call as a cover 1 but he has to know that that he can’t do that at the expense of the deep zone. He should have been open and running way before he attempted to. Secondly if you watch the play through, look at what happens once Julian is in a trail.
Julian getting beat here isn’t so much about him not flipping his hips fast enough. It’s about him not understanding his technique in cover 3. And then once the man has a step, he’s still trying to read the quarterback instead of getting in phase. Additionally, while the Baylor WR is in full sprint…if you keep watching the play, Julian is drifting…meaning he isn’t just running vertically he’s moving horizontally as well. I’m surprised the Baylor receiver didn’t beat him by more because of the way he attempted to play this. This mistake actually demonstrates Julian has good. But his technique throughout this play is poor. And the problems are compounding when he doesn’t use the proper technique once he is beat.
This next play is one where I’d say you’ve got a bad call and a bad play by a number of people on defense. Here you’ve got Baylor in a 3rd and 5. I say I don’t like this call because you have to ask yourself…on 3rd and 5 do I want them to run or pass? I want them to run. But what Oklahoma does is play 7 in the box and show them cover 1 telling them…we want you to pass. My call here is probably a quarters call with my safety playing a little shallow because I am going to be outnumbered to the field. But I take that because they’ve got to run the ball for 5 yards. And if they do attempt to pass out of that set then I’m in a sound pass defense. Instead they are licking their chops because a) they’ve got cover 1 off and b) the deep safety isn’t aligned correctly – should be aligned in the middle (and if OU teaches him to align as shown below then you’re basically putting Julian one on one with absolutely no safety help because there is no way the safety from his starting position can help Julian on anything deep).
Another issue you’ll see as the play transpires is Ahmad Thomas has an opportunity to get under the route but doesn’t. His assignment is the H-back. But when the H-back blocks, Thomas simply get’s caught false stepping back and forth and is stuck in no mans land instead of dropping into an underneath zone or getting into a passing lane to help Julian on the hitch.
I can’t blame Julian for being forced to give up the hitch here. Which he does.
However, where I do praise and fault Julian is in the image below. Julian actually breaks on the ball and closes the ground really well to even put himself in a position to possibly break this play up. But look at his technique. He reaches in for the ball with his right hand instead of securing the tackle with his right hand and attempting to break it up with his left. He misses the tackle with this attempt and the WR turns this into an even bigger gain.
Here is an example where the call is great and it should work to perfection but there are major issues with the execution that, as a DC, it would just rip your heart out.
OU is man across the back end with no safety help showing an all out blitz. But in reality they will drop two guys underneath. Despite that, they will confuse the line and get a free blitzer in. Striker will have a kill shot on Petty but instead of sacking him, he’s going to let Petty get him up in the air with a pump fake. So no matter what mistakes occurred on the backend, Mike’s call put them in a position to get a sack but the player makes a mistake.
The other issue is that they are man to man but Zack appears to believe that they’ve got a banjo call to the boundary which means that he will pick up the outside release of the number 2 receiver in man. They have to communicate this call to each other. Whether that’s the call or not, I have no idea but one of them is wrong because Thomas plays standard man and follows the number 2 receiver. Sanchez also takes the number 2 receiver…
…leaving the number 1 receiver running wide open.
OU has some talent but they’ve got be more disciplined in general. People can argue whose responsible but right now it just has to be about getting the whole defense to play with more discipline. Wanted to note in the image above that I put an arrow on the near corner because I wanted y’all to note how Jordan Thomas is lined up in a more aggressive press technique. Again, looking forward to seeing him this weekend and looking forward to the defense overall bouncing back!
Boomer!
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I have nothing to say but it was a team effort in the loss. But thanks again, I love these articles
It was a rough day all around. For such a veteran team to be so undisciplined at times is tough to watch.
Why do you think that is? And it seems to be a team thing, not just defense. We’ve just looked ‘off’ most of the year. Youth? I can’t believe our guys are somehow dumber than K State’s, for example; and yet the latter seemed much more dialed in. Observations?
Definitely aren’t young. There are plenty of veterans. I mean why does Striker jump on that play I mentioned above instead of just sacking his guy? Why didn’t Thomas and Zack tell each other what call they’re going to make/run? Tough to say but when a team isn’t disciplined it’s the responsibility of the coaches to get it fixed. DLine is still playing well as far as I can tell though.
When a team has us in 3rd down defense, they have us right where they want us. In fact, the longer they have to go to make the 1st down the odds go up that they will convert. Never seen that until the last 2 years. That is discipline and this team (for whatever reason) just does not have it.
Agreed, coaches are responsible for getting discipline issues fixed, This would include sitting some players down if they can’t adjust. As for the scheme outlined above, great work. I agree with Teddy Lehman and Dusty D in that they think Mike is fearful that the corners (other than Sanchez) can’t play press. Do you expect the same off coverage against Tech? Cannot leave with Lubbock with a L…..
Yeah, I admit to turning it off after the failed 4th down(in the 3rd). I just couldnt take watching them implode like that. I love coach Stoops but he needs to break his foot off in some of his assistants you know whats and get this figured out.
Great stuff per usual, K. Still so depressing a) watching it in person last week and b) looking at the mistakes highlighted above. We’re past the halfway point in the season and I don’t think these mistakes should be happening i.e. Mike’s to blame.
I feel bad for this team and staff. As disappointed as fans are, this has to be difficult for them. Everyone in that locker room and on that staff knows this team is better than a 3 loss team. But talent is only part of the equation. it’s also about the sum of the parts and discipline.
I have not posted this week as I didn’t want to be too negative towards the coaching staff. Just way beyond frustrated with the defense. Appears to me that Mike has absolutely no faith that the CB’s can press and not get beat deep so he is basically hoping the QB makes a mistake or the receiver drops the ball. Helluva way for an OU defense to play. On Julian’s play above where he does make a good break on the receiver, that is just really poor technique trying to break the pass up with his right arm instead of the left. So poor that I actually think he was trying for the interception. My confidence in Mike has just about disappeared.
Either the coaches couldn’t sign the players they wanted and took 3ds, 4ths, 5ths, etc till they could fill their quota or they mis- evaluated guys if they were who the coaches wanted, or the players can’t learn the defense, or they haven’t developed as hoped, or the coaches don’t know how to fix the leaks on the defense and teach the players how to play their positions. Sum total is the 3 games lost along with national respect.
We all like Julian but it makes you wonder about the what if. If he stays as nickel, Striker stays in his natural position, new CB rises & Quinton stays at S. Defense is molded around Striker using his natural abilities. Curious, K, your understanding of talent/positions, could you share your thoughts.
K, I am not a defensive coordinator. But what I am is a thinker: As I look at some of the coverage against BU’s five WR sets I believe Mike missed opportunities to disguise where pressure was coming from and at the same time maximize pass coverage on the back end. For instance, the middle of the field is wide open. BU’s WRs have a plethora of options to run routes.
Here’s what I would have did: have the corners tighten the coverage. You have six defenders left to apply pressure or drop in coverage toward the middle of the field. Now, BU’s WRs are left with routes that are predictable: go routes, curls, post routes.
The CBs would have the help they need in the middle of the field on the shorter routes. The longer routes, which should take longer to develop because the WRs are being jammed at the line. That gives the DL more time to get to the QB.
You could start out with LBs in their traditional positions or line them up with the DL and drop them back in the middle or on the edge. Or, you could bring all six.
Here’s the last thing I’d do, which is risky but it gives you some amount of control: I played offensive line in HS. We used to turn our bodies and invite the DL to take the open path. Just like that, the D-Lineman is out of position. If the DBs press and they could invite the WR by flipping their hips, dictating the route.
All in all, BU couldn’t rely on pre-snap reads: my point is, thinking about what you do can slow you down.
Sooner!!
K, I can see the defensive alignments sometimes and can tell right away if it makes me nervous. I only get that feeling if I think we’re exposed in some way. I like it when we seem to have everyone covered and every area covered. When I see that, I get giddy because now it says we are ready to compete. You’re going earn what you get. I want to see that this weekend.
Yes and it can make the qbs presnap read more difficult. The play above wasn’t necessarily bad but the LBs have trouble closing the window though it was a valiant effort
I say play press-man coverage so that the WRs have to declare their route much earlier. “I’m standing here, you have to run through me.” It takes away some routes. Otherwise, any route is available.
K, while playing so far off did you see the OU secondary re-route the Baylor WRs much?
I agree. I think more press would be good but it’s a philosophy a team has to commit to because it needs to be practiced and recruited for. And you’re right it takes away the pre-snap quick game and forces the WR to declare early based on his release leaving a limited number of options. But of course without lots of repetitions it can yield poor results. But it’s better, IMO, to move that direction because if it can become an integral part of OUs defense then the future of OUs defense in the Big 12 is brighter.
It will also help recruiting too. Kids always want to match up 1-1.
Super k, you mentioned earlier this week that we’re asking press corners to play off coverage. Why are guys like Taylor and Austin not getting a shot to play off coverage. Wouldn’t they be more in the mold of the style mike is calling?
It’s a good question and the answer may be different for both. In some ways once you commit to a starter in pre-season it’s difficult for other players to make up ground because while they may have a superior quality, they have far fewer reps by now. I think there is also just the added fact that Julian probably has a far better understanding of the various techniques within the various calls or at least will be able to implement them correctly, more often within a game setting.
Do you think they should switch to a 4-2-5 base so they can battle rushing attacks better and not have to bring the safeties up to much to help out in the run defense? That way they could pressure the receivers with the press corners and have safety help?
Or do you think the 30/50 front just isn’t being utilized right?
Good question
I’ve thought the same thing.
I was under the impression we went to the 5-2 because of a shortage of DL personnel not because it gave us a better alignment against Big 12 offenses.
Also, don’t we go to a four man front in obvious passing downs, I think they call it the NASCAR package.
It would be nice to have the versatility to run different defensive alignments when needed.
That’s the impression I was under for them to be even more multiple this year than last year but I haven’t really seen that in the results.
I would think when teams tried the wide splits against us that moving to a 4-2 or 4-3 would have been effective. Obviously I’m not paid to coach and I would probably get lit up for 50 every game but I would like to have the ability to change my scheme if it’s broken vs an opponent and I thought this team had very good depth as far as dline was concerned but injuries hurt.
Man Super K, you broke that down really well, as usual. Thanks. You see it on TV, but never really get the little nuances and technique flaws that occur. Much appreciated.
Thanks for reading Ed!
Thanks for your analysis. Even with DVR, I can’t tell the blown assignments. I CAN tell the extreme cushions given on most plays.
well that’s cause your name is cush
rimshot
I’ll give you an “lol”. I liked it 🙂
Its cheesetastic in its simplicity
We had no business losing to Kansas State
Jason Vos……………..or TCU……………..
Yeah, I think OU had a rough day against Baylor but even with that loss OU could easily be sitting with 1 loss.
Super K; As always, a spectacular, thorough write-up.
Very much appreciated
Thank you connie!
It hurts my eyes to look at those pictures. 🙁
is the above drawing one of mstoops, or an artistic representation of this season’s ou fan, or the program as a whole? ……..perhaps when the season plays out, tfb can give a thoughtful article on the ou d since this will be the 3rd yr of ‘mike’s back!’.(time sure flies) I don’t know the stats, but as a casual observer, are we any better with mstoops vs when bv was here……….thxs
Been thinking about writing it sooner rather than later.
I’ve seen people really doubting the 3-4 and wanting 4-3 back. Truthfully I was really excited about it against the spread. I loved the players we were going after for it too. My guess would be that Mike (like has been discussed on boards back then too) saw that our pass happy O’s in past seemed to struggle with that….many times. All made sense to me, but I’m a football idiot compared to others on here. So with that said, what are your thoughts on both at this point K in hindsight? Obviously our biggest problems are in secondary, but seems the way we’re using the 3-4 is causing more problems to secondary more than the actual formation itself. Thanks K
Another good question
Honestly, most people I’ve seen the ‘3-4 was stupid’ comments from are the negative, ‘I’m going to hate everything about the team after this loss’ types. So I payed little attention. Seems most agree that it just needs to be 4-3 against certain O schemes (KSU wide line splits) but 3-4 for most part.
Yeah I just like when someone like k or jy give out their opinions on the in depth stuff. With our talent on the roster here’s what we think could work best type stuff(with you and Zach asking whether 4-2-5 or 4-3 or 3-4 would be best to get our best athletes on the field and have our best 11 out there every week or just matchup each week)
More multiple – less schizophrenic ;). Understand it’s never just one thing and have to adjust, but seems your recruiting is going to be weighted more to one than other, depending on what main gig is
I really like the 3-4 because I think there’s a lot of different things you can throw at offenses plus a 4 man front really doesn’t heat often enough to get home on the qb enough. I think being able to go to a 4-3, 3-4, 3-3-5 or whatever depending on what the offenses are doing to us but we need to put our base defense out there to start and let our guys do what they do best. All indications were that rushing 5 and mixing up where the pressure was coming from, is what this season was going to look like. Honestly I don’t think mike has been exotic enough with his blitz’
The most exotic thing he does is bring 7 or 8 from time to time which isn’t exotic. Since all of our linebackers are basically safeties or safety size (except Grissom) then they should all be able to play coverage as well as they blitz and they should be interchangeable IMO.
I think it’s going to take awhile but one day there will be a guy who gets a team of pure athletes and will be able to do something revolutionary on offense or defense.
Looking at it now would it have been so crazy to have bell, Thompson and knight on the field at the same time? I think a good young Snyder type would have figured out how to do that and it would have blown peoples mind.
I think it’s always convenient to blame the scheme. Sometimes it is the scheme sometimes it isn’t. The reality is that the 3-4 and the 4-3 are both sound defenses in theory. It’s all a question of how you recruit and develop to it. Most teams in Texas using a 30 front with quarters base coverage to counter all the spread teams. I think be able to shift your defensive front alignment can be helpful in situations and gives you the diversity to do different things based on injuries, personnel, team you face, down and distance, etc. but in my personal opinion it’s not OU’s problem right now. OU is 109th in pass defense. If anyone wants to talk altering scheme or technique, I’d say the back end is where to start 🙂
As Barry Switzer used to say ” it’s not the X’s & O’s ; it’s the Jimmie’s & Joe’s”…..So, if it is not a scheme issue ; it is apparantly a player issue…Maybe our OLB depth could be improved by bulking up the safeties and converting them to LB’s. RECRUITING is really the name of the game and OU’s has been in decline ; ergo the product we see on the field.
Sooner!
Great info. I really enjoy the play break downs and learning the alignments and tecniques. I played in small town high school in the late 70’s and most of the alignments are alien speak to me. 🙂
it is nice to be able to try to get a handle on formations and responsiblities. Thanks for the work all you guys do.
Really nice job on this , super K. You highlighted some great stuff. thanks.
I just want a morale boosting win. Especially against Tech..That’s all. Just slap them around a bit
3 stooges style!!
Great idea.
huge step taken today on the keystone pipeline. anybody know how many jobs that could possibly create for the state? i know its not football, but it is oklahoma
Still has to get through the Senate – and then be subject to veto by Oblamo. MAYBE they have enough Dems to override his veto but probably not till January when the new Republicans arrive, Probably 1500-3000 or more jobs for several years building it, and then whatever is needed permanently left tending to the pipe, and the huge tank farm in Cushing. And that is based on the 10,400 jobs the State Department estimates for the whole length and in all states. That is still a whole hell of a lot more jobs then windmills ever provide,and once they’re in the ground they need almost no one to maintain them at all. Course they don’t generate much, and some days, nothing at all. Welders and Pipefitters should be needed the most, and a lot of support companies will be putting on more people as well.
would be awesome. would only need 60 to veto? right? i know a guy with secret service and i wish i could tell him to tell his boys to stand down and give me 5 minutes alone with him. hopefully he wouldn’t be packing one of them suicide bombs…haha. just kidding DHS, DOD, state dept, et al who may be listening in….but not about the 5 minutes ;)…. tom if you’re reading this….hook a fella up
1) what a fraud mary landrieu of la is……..
2) interesting perspective from clr,………
…….http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/harold-hamm-keystone-irrelevant-112905.html
i had seen where she wants to separate herself from king barry. desperate times and whatnot. she’s gonna get annihilated, what dec 6? another seat for the good guys. what’s funny is fox was mentioning this and pointed out that she’s making a big deal out of this and it doesn’t have anything to do with louisiana except for a couple jobs here and there and short term jobs no less. i’m not smart enough to read between the lines on your article. why is it too late on the pipeline? i see oil price is declining and gas is coming down, but why would we not wanna set ourselves up even better down the road? the more oil you don’t have to worry about getting from someone else, the better for your own gas prices, crude prices…heck even grocery prices and whatever else needs transport. am i reading this wrong or overthinking or underthinking?
Love these articles! Please keep it up, my understanding of football grows a little more each time I read one.
If you like defense you wouldn’t have wanted to be at my old high school’s game last night.
Marshall Mavericks=575 yds total offense/ Nacogdoches Dragons=576 yds total.
Marshall won 67-42 and will now play Dallas South Oak Cliff next week in Tyler Rose Stadium.
GO MAVS!!!
Just a reminder, Sophomore QB/RB Cameron Haller had a subpar game with 24 carries 190 yds 4 TDs. He is getting much more attention now as even opponents are comparing him to Barry Sanders. Hope the OU coaches take notice.
Haha. What a bad game. Was the kid even trying? 190 and 4? That’s just warming up for most of us
LOL!
I think he must have been distracted by Nac not covering two consecutive kickoffs and giving him a short field so he couldn’t break off anymore 69 yd runs.
If the kid is that good, he’ll probably never leave the state of Texas or, if he does, head to the SEC ( Arky, MSST, aTm) . Some place where the true ‘zone read’ offense might be used…..
Well I would guess jaylon lane didn’t look good or the junior safety we offered if they gave up 67.
Nac couldn’t stop the run, so they tried to cheat up on the back end and got burned deep. One WR had 2 catches for 75yds 2Tds and another had 3 catches for 67 yds.
Marshall QB went 10-12-1 206 yards and 2 TDs, four RBs combined for 369yds and 4 TDs. The 7th TD was a pick six.
Considering Lane has committed to the pokes it wouldn’t bother me if he is sad today.
……season taking a toll on tfb……..no weekend open post…….well, if you think we look bad sometimes, try this gator play…….2 olinemen blocking each other
…….http://i.imgur.com/Rw2U7p9.gif
We had an open the other day. Not much going on with recruiting at this point in time.
I’ll bet someone puts up a game thread soon.
Yeah I can’t complain much I know recruiting is slow and the season has gone downhill so there’s less reaction/analysis posts because I think people aren’t responsive much after losses IMO.
Also I’ve seen other sites and compared to this site, TFB still wins out for me.
that makes 2 straight years don’t it. they did that last yr, i’m pretty sure plus they lost to northwestsoutheast st at home. it looks it from the gif but the grass ain’t always greener 🙂
I don’t post often, but I am wondering if the site is down, or did TFB go into hiding? Regardless of what happens on the field we still have some fine young men to support. C’mon man, AND BOOMER!!!!
So I wonder if a majority of fans would be in favor of bringing back venables if kish doesn’t close these linebackers this year.
I would. We have seen what M. Stoops and Venables can do together.
Testing 1,2,………this thing on?
WTF? No game day thread?
Guess we could do one right here if they are having a site issue.
It’s up now.