Demanding The Oklahoma Standard

I was up late last night fielding phone calls from various friends and family wanting to talk or vent about the game, the season, and the state of the program in general. I’m sure there will be much to write and discuss as I expect this offseason to be interesting, to say the least. But I just wanted to take a moment to talk about results.

Demanding Results

A friend of mine is a prominent Alabama writer and “insider.” A couple weeks ago, right after Alabama won the SEC championship and earned the top spot in the college football playoff, I was talking him about this 2014 season. He mentions to me word is going around in the Alabama inner-circles that after this season Nick Saban may replace two or three coaches. He mentioned the specific coaches, one of whom happens to be a coach my friend knows personally. Whether this comes to fruition or not isn’t my point in bringing this up.

What surprised me is how nonchalant he sounded when mentioning these possible changes. I said, “coaching changes?!?” “They just made the playoffs!” And my friend’s very casual response to me was, “yeah but that doesn’t mean it was because of their position groups…they can be better.”

Last year, after Oklahoma won the Sugar Bowl, no Oklahoma fan would have dared press a similar idea/standard. That while the win against Alabama was great, it’s always a good time to ask the question ‘did Oklahoma win this season because of you, or in spite of you?’ And to take it a step further…if you are doing a good job…can Oklahoma find someone who can do an even better job?

That seems like a cold way to do business. But every program has to decide what standards are acceptable. I define a program as the fans, boosters, and administrators because for most coaches, their loyalty to a school is born when they signed a contract and can die when they sign one with another school. However, the rest of us remain after said HC leaves. So I’ll say it this way…WE have to decide what standard is acceptable.

While it may seem cold, Oklahoma is — or at least should be — the upper-echelon of the college football world. We aren’t a program that looks at Alabama or Ohio State or Florida State and thinks, “well, but that’s Alabama, Ohio State, and Florida State.” Oklahoma should be the standard. It’s a unique privilege to coach at the University of Oklahoma. And let’s face it, the alternative for a coach isn’t some sad story. No one is trying to send somebody into the coal mines. Coaching at Kansas, or San Diego State, or Southern Miss (no offense to any of those schools) isn’t some horrible life to be had. A coach can make a good paycheck doing something he loves there. But to be a coach at any position at a school like Oklahoma should require a standard and that should be as high as standards can be.

It doesn’t matter what you’ve done prior. It doesn’t matter how you got here. It doesn’t matter who you are related to. The program has to set a results-based standard.

An individual position group coach cannot necessarily be judged by how the final score reads. If the offense wins the game in spite of the defense, then the latter hasn’t produced the necessary results to remain at the University of Oklahoma. If the defense wins the game in spite of the offense then again, the results weren’t achieved. If Oklahoma makes it to the playoff, but a single position group can be better or didn’t produce the desired results, then a change needs to at least be on the table.

But that’s the difference between a guy like Nick Saban and Bob Stoops. The latter of whom has never run his program in such a manner. And it would appear why OU is not currently on the same level as Alabama.

The University of Oklahoma isn’t a private corporation. It’s a school and a program that belongs to the state. The tradition and brand is something the people of the state, the students, and alumni OWN and take great pride in.

Why has Alabama become the standard? They’ve become the standard because it’s demanded. Nothing less than meeting that standard, set by Saban, is acceptable. Whether it’s demanded by the head coach or it’s demanded by the fans…it’s demanded. You cannot play at the University of Alabama unless you meet some very clearly defined standards. And you cannot coach at the University of Alabama unless you also meet some very clearly defined standards. Why should that be any different at the University of Oklahoma?

Why Does it Take a Debacle?

A great question a friend (and college football insider in his own right) asked me last night was, “why does Oklahoma have to get to the point where they are embarrassed on national television before changes are made?”

I think the reason lies in something I can certainly relate to. I’m the type of person in my personal and business life that always wants to find an excuse for the people around me. On many occasions I’ve been accused of being naive, because of my desire to see the best in people. In personal relationships, I like to think that’s a strength. But I’m quite certain it’s cost me many times in business settings.

Instead of demanding a certain result along the way, I just kept making excuses for a person. It’s always easy to justify a lack of result and if it’s in your nature to accept that result, or it’s in your circumstance to be permitted to…you’ll do it.

But if you do it for too long, your circumstances won’t permit it. You’ll run out of money, or you’ll run out of support, or both.

Changes

I’m not in a position to fire anyone and don’t get paid to call people out by name, so I’ll refrain from doing so. I can rant about having to be the bad guy, but I don’t actually have to be the bad guy. But I will say this very clearly; I do believe Bob Stoops is fully capable of righting the ship.

I know there is growing sentiment that he isn’t the guy and I can’t definitively say if he is or isn’t. I can only share with you what I believe. And I believe he is capable of being that guy, IF he chooses to. But he, like anyone, will have to be held to a results-based standard and to have a chance at achieving the desired results, I believe he will absolutely have to make changes. Those changes, though, can’t be cosmetic. They can’t be attempts to appease the masses. In my estimation, he has to step back and, with a great deal of humility, recognize that he needs a lot of help to get this program back to a national championship level/standard. He needs to bring in trusted and proven names that can help him. He needs guys that he can rely on. And the standards need to be set early and often.

Before the Clemson debacle — a word that has been used a lot in reference to this program lately — I had heard a number of rumors from sources about possible coaching changes, with one or two that seemed almost certain. On this site, we’ve been saying since the end of the season that changes are coming. I expected two on the defensive side and one on the offensive side. I still think that will happen and have heard more were possible. At this point, I’d almost be stunned if there weren’t more than just those initial three I heard about.

But again, it’s not about the number of changes. It’s about asking whether a particular coach is yielding the necessary results. In fact, at Oklahoma, perhaps there is a better way to judge success for an individual coach. Coach Switzer famously said, “People don’t know what it is to be champions. Oklahoma invented it.” If that quote is any indication of what the standard is at Oklahoma, then perhaps the question that has to be asked of each coach at OU isn’t whether they are yielding results, but instead is there anyone better?

Because if that is the case, then perhaps you aren’t meeting the standard set by the fans, alumni, boosters, students and citizens of the state.

306 Comments

  • CastorTroyBoy says:

    Great Insight Super K, this is what we have been yearning for…!

  • Robert Boone says:

    Yesterdays bowl game, unfortunately, is nothing new
    It seems to me that Stoops has almost always had a problem with getting his players prepared and motivated for a bowl game with the exception of Florida State in the NC and Alabama last year. The USC NC game was worst than last night in my opionion. We had a very good team, but USC players made the comment that OU told them during the first half that they just wanted to get the game over with. The LSU NC game score was closer than how they performed. The Fiesta Bowl losses to W Virginia and Boise State showed how unprepared they were. They also seemed like they didn’t want to be in the bowl games they won with Stanford, Iowa and Arkansas. Oh, I forgot about the A&M debacle.

  • Billy says:

    Thankfully, I am a few years more mature because this season would have sent me to the grave when I was a student. I’m excited to see who the new coaches will be.

  • Cush Creekmont says:

    Stoops seemed to be taught by Snyder AND traumatized by him. Stoops has always wanted his assistants to take time off, be with family, enjoy more than football. He was also beyond loyal to his staff. Unless winning becomes more important to him than his relationships with his underlings, there is ZERO chance of OU winning championships.

    • Super K says:

      Snyder is a tireless worker. And one of the things myfather taught me when I was making business decisions based on “loyalty” is that it isn’t noble to be loyal to those you know at the expense of those you don’t. Stoops doesn’t know most of the fans that bring their families into that stadium or proudly wear their Sooner gear and have been before he was at OU but his loyalty should be to them.

      • Cush Creekmont says:

        I agree with you completely. I am like most longtime fans – trying to find why this keeps on. Stoops’ assistant experience just seems to explain his behavior regarding his assistants and his inability to make changes.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        I think you have hit on a key element of Stoops psyche that may very well end up being his down fall. He uses other people’s money (OU’s) to do his charity work. He attempts to help out his buddies by giving them jobs at OU rather than giving them money out of his own pocket. That’s OK if they are the best guy for the job, but in many cases they seem not to be. Bob needs to be loyal to his friends, but he also owes loyalty to the university and his customers (fans). When those come in conflict he needs to find other ways to help his friends.

    • Sam Sherwood says:

      We’ve been getting beat by coaching staffs who DO work the 70+ hour weeks. That’s why I don’t think Bob Stoops can turn it around… because he will not do whatever it takes to win.

  • albsooner says:

    As you pointed out, it is rumored that Stoops will make some changes. He made some changes a couple of years ago and has continually made staff changes throughout his tenure. I don’t worry about him making changes, rather I worry about Bob being able to make the “right” changes. OU must open up the purse so Bob can make the best changes money can buy!

    OUr assistant’s salaries have not been indicative of the caliber of coach and results we desire.

    OU MUST open up the purse to bring back the glory of OUr program!

    • Super K says:

      Agree. Need the right changes and need to hire the best out available.

      • Boom says:

        Interesting, if JH were to go, I’m curious where he would land as I don’t see a lot of folks clamoring for his services.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Sorry, but I’m gonna have to call b.s. on this – “has continually made staff changes throughout his tenure.”

      He’s made changes two different times, and only did so w/in the last 3-4 years. Prior to that, the only people who left his staff did so for promotions. Have you noticed how that isn’t happening any more?

      • BoomerDave says:

        OU kinda reminds me of Tulsa. Remember when Tulsa was winning 9-10 games a season in football and 20-25 games a season in basketball but with that success they were constantly losing their coaches, John Cooper, Todd Graham, Richardson and Bill Self, etc, to better jobs. The AD got tired of seeing his school used as stepping stones for coaches and hired HS guys that would stay. Both failed miserably. Same here at OU. There was a time when we were losing our coordinators to HC jobs. It seems that Stoops has solved that dilemma by hiring Josh and Mike, who no one else wants.

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Just thought I would share these.

  • paganpink says:

    Very well said, and almost exactly how I feel. I should add that I feel like Stoops has only one more year to fix it or perhaps he is part of the problem too, in my opinion. It isn’t that we lost yesterday, it is that we did not field a team that was competitive. We were not ready to play in any sense of the word, at any part of the game. That is inexcusable at OU! A loss is simply a loss but to not have any more competitive chance on the field then some high school teams would is absolutely ridiculous for a school with our history and talent. It must be fixed.

  • Scott says:

    If OU can pay their coach 5MM, they can pony up a few extra 100K to get the best assistants. Other schools have…Auburn for example made the MNC last year and fired their DC beore this season even ended!

    If I had to guess, I’d say Kish, BJW, and offensively JH are gone. I’d like to think MS, JN and JB are all gone too.

  • MrBigsby says:

    The offense should have never been turned over to a coach with such limited play calling experience. You don’t learn on the job at Oklahoma.

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      I think Joshie is being asked to call a offensive scheme that he isn’t comfortable with. This year’s offensive scheme or identity is not OU’s 1999 or 2000 version of the Air Raid.

      • MrBigsby says:

        That’s exactly why he shouldn’t have been given the job. Either hire someone to run the offense you want, or let Josh run the offense he knows. Can’t fit a square peg in a round hole.

  • Zack says:

    Does anyone want to vote cale gundy as the OC? I think the guy would bring a good perspective to the job. He was a QB like heupel so he should understand the nuances of the passing game but he’s been the running backs coach for as long as I can remember so he’s going to know the advantages of the run game also. Bring in an up and coming WR coach to coach the wr/te and share some te coaching with BB. Then find a qb coach.
    On defense just start over. I would like to see viney as the DB coach but I’m not sure I want anyone on this staff promoted besides gundy, BB or JM.

    • soonerjunky says:

      I want Cale to be given a chance

    • Sam Sherwood says:

      No more on-the-job training. I said that when Heupel was promoted and got lambasted for it. But we should hire the best OC that money can buy… someone who has already proven their ability.

      • Zack says:

        On the job training had been fine until heupel. Cale is a long time assistant and probably should have been ahead of heupel and norvell in the pecking order anyway.

        • Sam Sherwood says:

          Why experiment with the unknown? That could set us back another 3 or 4 years. Saban didn’t promote an OC from within… he hired Kiffin.

          • Zack says:

            That’s a good point but hiring outside help doesn’t guarantee success either. I would bet the % of success is about the same. Therefore I would go with a guy on staff. But I get the argument for a guy like kiffin.

          • Boom says:

            Zack, I don’t want anyone on this current staff moving into any of these roles. We need new faces with new ideas to push Stoops. Stoops needs to be challenged, not a bunch of yes men.

        • Bob Edwards says:

          If Cale had wanted an OC position he could have had one. My impression is he is happy where he is. With his record of recruiting and performance (do the names Demarco Murray and Adrian Peterson mean anything) he could have gone the next step up if he wanted to.

  • Rene Goupillaud says:

    Any member of the staff or team who isn’t embarrassed by the team’s performance last night needs to find another thing to do that doesn’t involve Sooner football. That includes Joe C. And Boren.

    I saw this coming. There were far too many indicators. The secondary has always had a problem tackling, just worse this year. TK has a history of throwing pick 6, throwing into double and triple coverage, and not reading the defenses. The coaches rarely make major adjustments (can you imagine this staff switching to the wishbone in week 3 as Switzer and Fairbanks did in 1970). Has any player outside of Ford been held accountable for repeat mistakes?

    I think some guys played really hard last night. But as a team, they really underperformed. Qb is the most important position. Last night confirmed we have no Qb. Nor are we having any success getting one In this class. Bob’s priorities seem to be all messed up.

    The boys were motivated against Alabama. They have played that way all year. Talent is as good as the 2000 team except at Qb. But the discipline, confidence, determination and desire is too inconsistent to even compare to the worst teams of the Stoops era.

  • soonerjunky says:

    I have the solution!
    1. Promote Montgomery as “co-defensive coordinator” and Promote CJ Ah You do DL coach. Let Mike sit back and learn, maybe coach DB’s.
    2. Fire Kish replace with Tosh Lupoi from Alabama
    3. Fire JH and Norvell, promote Cale Gundy to OC and find a WR coach
    4. Move Trevor Knight to safety. It’s clear he isn’t a QB. Bob has said Knight would be an excellent DB and he was recruited as a safety to Oregon. Worst case scenario is he isn’t good enough to play or healthy enough and doesn’t.
    Thoughts?

    • Jeff Spangler says:

      I agree changes need to be made, but moving C Gundy to OC would be the same thing that happened to JH, no experience running an offense. This might be setting CG up for failure.

      I would like to see him get a chance, as long as it does not affect his RB recruiting, but maybe as a Co – OC under someone experienced that can show him the ropes.

      I think JH needs to go back to being a QB coach full time, seems to me that the QB actually making improvements stopped when he went to OC.

      • Soonerfandave84 says:

        Ive said the same about the QBs since Heupel became OC. QB coach might be the top of his ability. And he’ll make a great living doing it. But he is obviously not ready to call plays

    • HoustonChiver says:

      I don’t want anyone on this current staff running our offense. It’s predictable and outdated. Time for some fresh ideas in our playbook.

  • Tyler says:

    I know that people say recruits don’t pick and chose based off of this loss. But my goodness, last night was different. I’m afraid we might be scaring off some recruits

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    Great article…thanks Super K. Well put.

  • red clay says:

    The dumpster in back of my office parking lot takes umbrage every time someone says “dumpster fire” about OU’s predictable soft D and blowout losses.

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    In regards to finding position changes especially cordinators. I am cusious on what you guy think. I think things need to happen, yes. But remember the last couple of years at Texas, it seemed like they had a new cordinators every year and they all all seemed to make the program degress.

    What do you look for finding cordinators?

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      Sooners could afford to pry a proven DC away if they chose to. I wonder if Bob could go to Rex Ryan(pipe dream at best) and offer him $1.5M per for 2 years, doubtful since he canned him for Mike in ’98.

      • BigJoeBrown says:

        Mike Smith (Falcons) is available now. He was a DC cordinator for the Ravens before he went to Atlanta. We just need someone who has the ability to adapt to these fast paced spread offenses.

      • Cam says:

        I wsa thinking about Rex Ryan as well for DC and maybe Trestman for OC and QBs.

    • Carolina_Sooner says:

      Clemson’s head coach, Dabo Swinney, accepted a lower salary in order to have enough in the budget to get the OC/DC he wanted. I’m also a USC Gamecock fan, Clemson’s instate rival, so Clemson is 2nd only to Texas on my list of hated teams, but I have a lot of respect for what Dabo has done at Clemson in the last few years.

      I also like his enthusiasm. He tends to get carried away at times but he has real passion for the game and for his players.

  • james babcock says:

    It’s time to omit the truth we are in the same position that texas was at the end of the mack brown era.if we don’t this program is heading to irrelevant in college football.bob stoop is the problem and doesn’t seem to have the answers.

  • lovethemsooners says:

    Outstanding read K! Loved it. There are fans out there that share responsibility in this as well. All those who continue to defend against the obvious changes that are needed, or unwilling to recognize the downward trend in the program over the last several years aren’t doing the program any of favors by being that way.

    8-5 is absolutely unacceptable.

    • HoustonChiver says:

      Sometimes 8-5 is unavoidable, this year it wasn’t so much our record that got me but how we lost the games. Baylor was better than us, period. K-State? Piss poor play calling and our team wasn’t ready. OSU? Poor coaching. TCU? Poor playcalling and poor coaching.

      That’s avoidable.

    • Stephen Dale says:

      love……………agree with your thoughts as well as most every post in this thread…..

  • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

    OU needs a legit DBs coach. BJW has been almost every coach possible for OU (special teams, DEs, CBs,…what else?). Perhaps keep Mike part-time at safeties, but get a legit DB coach for both CBs and Ss.

    I’m fine with Kish so far. Most aren’t.

    OU needs ONE legit OC, not two kinda OCs. Move Josh to the QB coach position.

  • Herman Bubbert says:

    Interesting and certainly legitimate perspective. I am more inclined to wonder, however, how long this program can afford to wait to deliver the kind of accountability K outlines.
    And personally, I am not at all convinced that a coach overrun by apathy can reclaim his edge. This program has deteriorated to the point that rearranging the deck chairs won’t accomplish anything. We’ve done that before.

    It’s time for Bob to get an ultimatum – you let your brother and Heupel go, or we’ll take your resignation.

    • james babcock says:

      I would rather have the resignation of big game bob stoop time to clean house and start over with either kirby smart ,or scott frost.

    • soonerinks says:

      Agree, I have been a stout Stoops defender but last night was the final straw for me. If Stoops does not fire JH, MS, JN, BJW, TK and JB immediately, then he needs to be given an ultimatum to do so and if not then he should be fired. The product being sold is no longer OU good. Stoops partially bought in when he brought in Montgomery, Bedebaugh and Boulware. Two solid hires, one maybe not. Bob’s toughest coaching decisions are staring him right in the face and I hope he does not blink.

    • hOUligan says:

      Gotta say, it probably needs to happen. I’d like to see Bob stay and all but 3 or 4 staff sent down the trail, including both coordinators. And it would be understood that the ship is righted within 3 years with significant improvement seen in year 1 and 2 or he is gone, too. And instead of Rex Ryan redeux, bring in the kind of guys Bob and Brent were, young and hungry with something to prove.

  • Exiled In Ohio says:

    One positive I saw this year was the impact of the new coaches, both to play and to recruiting. Lost in the frustration of the debacle was the fact that the DL played reasonable. They shut down the Clemson running game and got after the QB. The OL wasn’t as good last night as during the year, but they have also been a bright spot this year. The big guys are the core of the team, and they are moving the right direction.

    If the results we’ve gotten along the line from new coaches is any indication of what other coach changes might bring, that’s a reason for optimism.

    • ccmosaic says:

      Great point on the lines. I agree fully that while at times they have not performed to their potential the lines overall have been much improved this year.

  • RIsh says:

    Question. Would the ncaa look down on OU hiring Kevin Murray as QB coach, and in turn snatching up Kyler Murray ?

    • BoomerDave says:

      Why would the NCAA care? That has happened throughout history? Ed Manning getting his first coaching job ever at KU comes to mind immediately.

  • Jordan says:

    As a current student at OU, I can say that last night was beyond embarrassing. I think everyone expects more than what was on the field last night. That being said, here are some changes I believe could potentially turn us in the right direction.
    1. The only coaches that I believe are safe are Bob, Montgomery, BB, and Gundy. Everyone else, as far as I am concerned, should be looked at as being replaced.
    2. I like the idea that someone else mentioned of having Viney be the DB coach. He seems to be a likeable coach. JM could stay at DL coach, but the man deserves a raise or something.
    3. We need a new defensive coordinator. We do not make any in-game adjustments at all. I also think it may be time to consider a move back to the 4-3. I actually think we have the personnel to do it. We just have to be more aggressive and physical on defense. Play more press coverage, tackle in open space, pursue the football, etc. I am not sure who is out there, but we need a different approach on defense. That being said, with the right coaches, we could stay in the defense we run. We just have to be more physical. That is the biggest problem I see with this defense.
    4. As far as the offense goes, we need a coordinator who understands our personnel and what we need to run. We also need a more consistent quarterback. The worst part about that is that I am not entirely sure that guy is even in the program. Mayfield is good, but I do not think he is capable of taking us to the next level. We have some nice pieces on offense (Perine, Shepard, young OL talent), we just need to find the offense and the coordinator that can take advantage of these guys.
    5. The biggest problem with this team from what I have seen, and this could potentially be the hardest to fix, is the mentality. The mentality they had against Alabama last year should be the mentality of every single game. They should play with a chip on their shoulder. Play fast, physical, and fundamentally sound. Play a little pissed off. I do not recall a game this year where anyone played angry and showed some emotion. This of course starts with the head coach.
    I do not really know any names of guys to bring in to fill these roles. But these kinda coaches are the ones we need to be successful again. What do you guys think?

    • Pokerman says:

      Whoever we bring in on defense, they should run tackling drills until the guys throw up or get it right. They should also have a policy – you can’t tackle, you can’t play.

      • paganpink says:

        It is the one thing absolutely fundamental to football and we have been failing at it for several years. It’s unacceptable and, as you say, can be fixed simply by practice! It drives me crazy and is even more evident when playing another team that tackles well.

    • Carolina_Sooner says:

      > 5…is the mentality
      I think this is a big part of the problem. I feel like something changed during the course of the season. I remember the guys being fired up and playing hard in the early season, especially the WV game, then things started to go downhill fast.

      • cheezyq says:

        Here’s my take: It all stems from a little thing called leadership. And the thing about leadership is that you can’t really measure it, you can only feel it. But there are absolutely signs that leadership is strong or lacking, and it exhibits its symptoms in the form of morale. And in football, you see it in the effort of the players, particularly when the team gets down.

        Once the players (or members of an organization) start to get the sense that the leadership doesn’t have the answers, they start to question the leadership. There have been too many situations over the years where OU gets punched by an opponent and doesn’t know how to respond. Then one mistake turns into two, until we see the all-too-often used term debacle. The KSU game was that way. Baylor was that way. OSU was that way. Texas and Texas Tech were almost that way. That kind of thing allows a sense of futility to set in. People start thinking, “it doesn’t matter how much effort I put in when the coach doesn’t have the answers”.

        A related component is lack of direction. You see this in the offense especially. Josh wants so bad for us to be a passing offense. And it’s not that we can’t be a passing offense, but our personnel at this time suits the running game so much more. If the leadership won’t adjust to the strengths of the organization, then the members start to question the leadership’s judgment. You saw it in so many games this year. When Josh committed to the run, those players all bought in and played hard. And they fought for each other too. EVERYONE on that team was happy when Samaje broke that record. But when we got cute too often, everything was a mess.

        The second part is that Stoops blames the execution too much. You’re right…he doesn’t call out specific players. But the clear implication is that the problem lies with the players, not the coaches. First of all, there is nothing really inherently wrong with doing that. If you have strong leadership on the team, doing that can have a positive effect, because those strong personalities will drive the team to do better. So why is it an issue with Stoops and OU?

        Because the first issue, lack of direction and inability to come up with solutions to problems, directly affects the rest of the leaders in an organization. You can have strong leaders on the team, but if the coach has lost the team by making consistent questionable decisions and not providing a clear direction, those leaders either turn selfish (I’m gonna get mine) or apathetic. And that attitude will flow to the entire team.

        Stoops needs to stop this crap about “execution” and just start putting it all on himself. And he needs to prove that he truly believes that by working his butt off. In the end, it might be that execution is the problem. But the coach has the authority and responsibility to make sure that the right people are in the right places, from staffing and recruiting to the actual plays on the field. So wherever the problem lies, it’s HIS responsibility to fix it. And he needs to be public about that.

        This is why I’m not convinced that Stoops should stick around. Correcting that kind of thing will take a long time. I’m not saying Stoops should be fired, but I’ll just say that I’m concerned. Even if Stoops recovers his fire for coaching/winning, it’s been so long since the team has had a true direction and had valid answers to problems on the field, I’m not sure it would matter. Certainly not in the short term. These players have seen too many empty statements from these coaches. It will take a lot to get them back, IMO.

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      You do realize that Bob has 1) Lost to OSU 28 – 38 (2002), 2) Lost to KSU in the Big12 CG 7 – 35 (2003), 3) Lost to USC in the NCG 19 – 55 (2004), 4) Lost to BSU 42 – 43 (2006) Fiesta Bowl, 5) Lost to WVU 28 – 48 (2007) Fiesta Bowl, 6) Lost to TTech 23 – 41 (2009), 7) Lost to OSU 10 – 44 (2011), 8) Lost to Texas A&M 13 – 41 (2012) Cotton Bowl, 9) Lost to Texas 20 – 36 (2013), 10) Lost to Baylor 14 – 48 (2014), and now gotten embarrassed by Clemson? This “problem” has followed Bob as long as he has been coach at OU. Can someone (not you Jordan) please be Captain Obvious here?? I just do not understand what and why the team is not competing during certain games. It’s like they just all decide to take the day off or the like. Why would I want to watch a team that does such strange, non-competitive actions? If they just group-decide to not compete it becomes anti-thetical to fandom, … I don’t want to watch a non-competitive team. I’d rather wait until they get their collective ‘caca’ together before I watch them again.

      • Jordan says:

        While I agree with the fact that we do, more often then desired, put out a team that does not look competitive, you cannot overlook what Stoops has done. I absolutely agree that he needs some soul searching this offseason and to take accountability for some of the problems we have had. I think maybe the continued success has made him a little passive, as he doesn’t seem to have the fire he once had. However, I think he has the ability to bring in the right people and re-light the fire that will make the program successful. However, the first step is acceptance that he has not been the coach he once was. And accepting that might be humbling and difficult for him, but it is necessary.

  • leatherneck1061 says:

    I love this article. Great job Super K…..well reasoned and sincere.

    I also agree Bob Stoops is fully capable. I would like to reiterate something I said before: To me it is more a matter of does he really have the burning desire to do what needs to be done? But I also have to say I feel the problem goes beyond a few coaching changes. Passion, focus, desire to win, etc. start with the HC, and I just can’t help but think Bob Stoops really may not want to do this anymore – at least when it comes to the drive and sacrifice necessary to put this program back on the map. I would love to be proven wrong. I still have the highest regard for Stoops. But I just can’t stomach the humiliations any more.

    Whatever the case, I remain a loyal diehard fan.

    Boomer Sooner……..always.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      My feeling is that Stoops is retired, he just doesn’t want to give up the pay check. I understand, I am his age. You get to that age and some things are not as important as they used to be. But at the same time, you have to make some hard life decisions. If you want to spend more time with family, you may not be able to make as much money. Bob’s got to decide what is important to him and then make the hard choices in that direction.

  • KellyB says:

    Great write up K. As much as we want to focus on W’s — and that’s hugely important — a HC must also run a clean program, meet academic standards, maintain integrity for the university and prepare young men (many of whom will not play in the NFL) for their lives beyond football. And that’s on top of coaching/recruiting//etc …. no small task.

    I believe those characteristics are what Castiglione and Boren value most about Stoops. So, if Bob is replaced, it would be difficult to imagine the University would go after a HC who will win at all costs and make those types of changes à la Saban.

    • BigJoeBrown says:

      A la……Urban Meyer at Florida.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      The thing is it’s not like you can’t do both. There is a spectrum between win at all costs, don’t care what they do outside of football and only recruiting 4.0 students, who work at soup kitchens in the evenings and may be able to play some football.

      Back in the late 80’s or early 90’s IBM found that they were starting to spend a lot on Insurance because of the extra high amount of mental health benefits they were paying out. They figured out that they were so focusing on technical ability that they were hiring a bunch of people who had mental health issues. They adjusted their hiring criteria to look at both.

      Point being, maybe we need to focus a little more on getting ball players and a little less on other criteria, but not get rid of them entirely. We might in the process be able help some young men that aren’t perfect citizen’s yet become better ones.

      • OUknowwhatitis says:

        great reply so true there is a spectrum ..its a reason why schools like duke/vandy etc are marginal in football but not great

  • JJSoona says:

    I don’t need to say anything K didn’t already say. +1000

  • OUknowwhatitis says:

    As usual TFB puts out a totally fact based non biased write up .. as for last nigh i dont know why the staff would think TK was going to be any better the last game he played was the baylor game which he was not great in ..i like TK but he has a very bad habits for a QB he stares down one receiver and still throws it ..i rarely have seen him look a 2 or 3 option or even look off before throwing to the receiver it is so easy to gameplan against if you can stop the run then the pick 6 puts a defense that already has problems in a bad position ..Defensively i dont think either one of our CB’s are solid Sanchez is ok but is not a shutdown guy and is prone to the big play just as well the other side is a guess the only person who i think played well is Parker..i think the front is Ok ..dont really know if Alexander is great at his spot either put that together with Mike Stoops horrible out of Dated schemes and you will get embarrassed ..and the most horrible part is they get up to the podium after the game and go into some way to make a reference of well we beat BAMA ..which holds no weight or mean anything this year

  • JJSoona says:

    I haven’t seen the game. I was working. Objectively now….should I watch?

  • BoomerDave says:

    I don’t know this personally, but I’m willing to wager a ton of $ that our defensive players just don’t like playing for Mike Stoops. Period! His”in your face” style and constant yelling at players during games doesn’t work with this generation of player. Nor should it be necessary. When I coached, I did my yelling at practice. Show me a coach that is constantly yelling at his players in games, and I’ll show you a coach that hasn’t properly prepared his players for the game. You teach Sunday through Friday. On Saturday, you let your players play the game as you have prepared them.

    • Ed Cotter says:

      Great take Dave. As a basketball coach I am the same way. I get crazy at practice and keep it calm (outside of being enthusiastic on great plays) on the sidelines at games. They know that I am loud so that they can hear me call out plays or offer advise, but not screaming at them if they make a mistake. The Bo Pelini method just doesn’t work in this day and age.

      • SoonerinNV says:

        Ed, obviously you can’t read because Doobie just shared the fact that Venables does the exact same thing and has the #1 Defense. I guess you weren’t watching the game either. I would rather have a guy getting mad then somebody just sitting there with a glum face.

        • ccmosaic says:

          Animated is different then full blown yelling at players. The problem Mike has is he is either not coaching them up in practice or they are doing what he has asked them. Either way when he yells at them you can see these kids respond either as a little puppy or as passed off men. Neither of those reactions are helpful during a game.

        • BoomerDave says:

          Sorry, but I watched the whole game and never once saw Venables get in a players face and humiliate them on national TV like Mike does. What I saw was Brent encouraging his defense. Being excitable is one thing. Brent coaches with emotion. Coaching with a little ‘fire in the belly’ is usually a good thing. But Mike is constantly in players faces and you can tell by the players body language that he has lost them. Whether it be Julian arguing back at him, or Sanchez just walking away from him while he’s chewing him out, it tells me that they have no respect for him.

          • Easton says:

            Venables, as I saw him last night, showed improvement as well. AND, a good manager that put something into Venables working process to keep him ‘grounded’ (the S&C coach behind him at all times). Good management by Swinney. Interesting insight into his demeanor in comparison to his time at OU. These guys are just as human as we are. Venables looked so good from a mental/emotional perspective last night.

        • Ed Cotter says:

          There is a difference between getting vocal in a positive way and just screaming in guys faces. I watched the entire game, and there was a marked difference between how Coach V was interacting with his players and how MS was. And NV, my post was made before Doobies, so no need to be a dick.

      • Doobie74OU says:

        I must say that I agree with you as well Ed that Coach V did look very calm last night. I still think he gets fired up but there wasn’t anything to get fired up about last night. He had his defense ready and they handed it to us. To me it looked a bit like Mike S last year in the Sugar Bowl (except for when they were letting Henry run free through the secondary) These guys are both really high strung. My favorite Coach V story is from Pat Jones and he tells about BV recruiting when he was at KSU and he actually get in a fist fight over a recruit. LOL! I think he has calmed down a bit since then but if your defense is playing like his was you should just get a lawn chair , “adult beverage”, and enjoy the show!

    • Doobie74OU says:

      ! Agree! I am not a big fan of yelling and screaming or the “Mike Stoops” approach either but I will say Brent Venables appears to be just as excitable, animated, angry, and has to be drug off the field every play by a “Get Back Coach” as Mike Stoops and he just coached todays generation to the #1 defense in the nation and shut down what apparently to Josh Heupel is a pretty good OU offense (pun intended). “In your Face” works fine when your winning but when you are getting blown off the field it looks even more ridiculous!!!

    • Clint Lenard says:

      Every coach does this, M Stoops just a bit more. Funny how people only bring it up when you’re losing, but it’s “passion” when you’re winning (ie, Stoops in the past, Venables, Saban, Muschamp, etc.)

      • BoomerDave says:

        No, every coach does not do this. Very few do, in fact. My point is, he has lost the respect of his players. It’s evident in the way the respond to him.

        • Stephen Dale says:

          Dave……………..good observation……………

        • Clint Lenard says:

          You have a strange way of viewing things, but believe what you want… he definitely does go overboard at times, but MOST coaches (in every sport) do yell. Period. You’re lying to yourself if you say otherwise. I coach baseball (11u and 18u) and have seen coaches at all levels go crazy at times. It happens. You can watch football on Friday, Saturday and Sunday and see position coaches, head coaches and even strength coaches blow up. But yeah, okay…

      • Jon Nakata says:

        If I were coaching, the only time I yell at a player during a game is in the Locker Room, or over some “I cant believe you just grabbed that guy by the facemask” incident. If a kid does something classless that embarrasses the team on the field, I dont mind him getting some back on the sideline. If its about “execution” fix it in the locker room. There is a difference between a “Butt Chewing” and “Correction” if you get too negative while someone is still trying to perform, it gets in the head and can make matters much worse.

        • Clint Lenard says:

          Everyone is going to be different. Some people teach their own kids differently from the next parent, and we can all agree that some parents go way too far, whereas some don’t go far enough. When it comes to coaching young adults, I can’t really say how I’d be in any situation that Mike Stoops has been in. They have gone through a lot of coaching on the field, the film room, sidelines, etc. — how can you really say you wouldn’t blow up at times on players that you assumed were listening to you all the time? But at the same time, I do agree with you. However, MOST coaches do blow up on players who give up big plays. Venables did the same thing.

          • Jon Nakata says:

            Its hard to say what anyone would do in a situation they haven’t been in. I am not a coach, so, you are right to say I don’t know for sure how I would react. But I know who I am, and I know the kind of leadership I have performed best under, and I know what kind of an affect psychological matters can have on performance. In my experience, the scariest and most effective leaders (when things are wrong) are the guys/gals who quietly pull you aside and inform you that your performance is not up to the standard. The guys who yell and scream blow all of their energy on that, and not articulating what exactly is wrong, how exactly it should/could be avoided, and what exactly will happen if you continue to bone it up.

          • Clint Lenard says:

            While I agree, psychologically speaking, you’re considering yourself. Some people actually do respond better to yelling, whereas some respond better to being pulled aside and talked to. It is literally all about psychology. Everyone responds differently.

            Think about girls who say they love a nice guy….yet always go for the bad guy. That is human nature. We all say we’d rather have [x], but we don’t know if [y] might be better until we see it. We all react differently to situations. Not saying Mike Stoops’ reactions are great, but they’ve clearly worked for impact players in the past.

            Personally, I’d love to see a change at DC, but my point was to point out that his yelling isn’t the problem. Every coach yells and that includes big time coaches like Saban or even small time coaches down the street.

    • Easton says:

      Boomer.

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      You haven’t seen Nick Saban.

  • Randy White says:

    A little different question: Assuming changes will be made, anyone have a feeling when that might occur. My assumtion is not until after NSD but that just a guess on my part.

  • soonerjunky says:

    We could give Kevin Wilson a promotion from Indiana HC to OU offensive coordinator

    • OkieRandolph says:

      Not no but HELL NO! Go to the Big Red Shop and order a 7XLg OU windbreaker and try and get Mangino. If Boren is afraid of his verbal tirades, then go to Oregon and see if you can talk Scott Frost out of that pressbox and into ours.

  • SoonerOracle737 says:

    It is amazing how poor QB play can bring down whole programs. Think OU and Texas.

  • Daddy R says:

    Anyone remember a few years back that SNL skit that Andy Sandberg did entitled, “Punched in face while eating?” (If you havent seen it, its a random dude waking up and punching any and every person he encounters, just as they are about to take a bite to eat…)

    Well, is there a really tech savvy person out there that could edit the video to where it features OU coaches and is entitled, “Coaches punched in the face while mentioning Alabama game.” I really think it would make us all feel a lot better to see this video…

    • Daddy R says:

      Reporter: What do you think of this years loss to Clemson…
      Coach: Well, during last years Suga….PUNCH!

      Reporter: Why do you think you lost 5 games this year?
      Coach: Well, we players didnt execute as well as they did in the Suga….PUNCH!@!

      Reporter: Why does your team suck this year?
      Coach: Well, we just couldnt carry over our momentum from the victory against Alaba….PUNCH!!!!

      Reporter: How do you explain your programs dive into mediocrity?
      Coach: Well, you weren’t complaing last year when we beat Alaba…..PUNCH!@#!!

      And on and on….. Really please, someone make this.. I want to laugh.

  • soonerbred4ever says:

    Just my opinion but, I think Bob is in the final stages of burn out. I have been there myself at one time as I’m sure others have. The problem is being able to recognize it and an even more difficult obstacle is to do something about it. In my case, I sold my business of 25 years and started a whole different career. I’ve never regretted it and never looked back. It’s been 13 years now. I should have done it 5 years earlier but I think “normalcy bias ” had me by the throat and I didn’t want to admit I didn’t have what it took to continue on. I see Bob there. He has the knowledge to do what it takes, I just don’t think he has the will. As a heart warming side note, I sold my business to stoolwater aggie for twice what it was worth and signed him to a long term lease on my buildings to boot. Not my fault he agreed to the price.

  • SoonerSouthoftheRed says:

    What’s Jim Tressel up to these days?

  • Indy_sooner says:

    Been saying that for months. Oklahoma should be the standard. This should have happened several years ago.

    That being said, to his credit, Stoops did make some changes. Halfbaked or not, he made an attempt to change things… now he must purge it even more.

  • JJSoona says:

    I can’t bring myself to criticize players. Not college kids. They play like they’re coached and I’ll leave it at that. I will support this team NMWhat. Been on this train too long to jump now.

    • Jon Nakata says:

      “they play like they’re coached” that says all that needs to be said. If they cannot perform to standard, they should not be playing, and if they are playing “unprepared” then the coaches have fallen short.

  • thebigdroot says:

    Who do you see being replaced?
    Heupel, Norvell, Kish, and BJW would be my list.

  • ccmosaic says:

    Great article! You have summarized the feeling of pain we Sooner fans are going through. You have also pin pointed the cultural problem. Now if only you could somehow get the big guy to read this. Thank you.

  • John Garner says:

    I love OU but I sure hate where we’re at and how we got here. Who respects us anymore?

  • Dailen says:

    We also need to stop defending Trevor Knight because of his “tremendous upside”, and “athletic ability”. Paul Thompson was recruited as the #10 Athlete in the country, not as a quarterback and still produced comparably, if not better, on the field.

    Their numbers are pedestrian compared to quarterbacks we’re used to. We’ve been spoiled with quarterbacks like Sam Bradford, Jason White, hell I’ll even throw Josh in there because of his NC.

    Too many people got drunk off of Knight’s performance in the Sugar Bowl. I’m over read option quarterbacks. Put an intelligent signal caller in the pocket and let him sling it around, hand it off to one of our 3 (or 4) dynamic backs, and use play action to sling it around some more. We’ve played in 4 National Championships from 2000-2010 doing just that. Baylor is doing JUST THAT. Bryce Petty is not known for his incredible speed and improvisation… he throws the ball well.

    But I’m done laying into Trevor Knight. The coaching just isn’t good, and has been setting our players up to fail all season. I think Trevor is just one of the many casualties created due to our bad coaching.

    Here’s to hoping Baker Mayfield and a new OC are the answer, on the offensive side of that ball, at least.

    • nicjams says:

      I’m not off the Knight bandwagon yet. It’s no coincidence that the QB play has been in constant decline since Heup took over as OC. Trevor has a fantastic arm and a unique athleticism that OU hasn’t had at QB since probably the 80s. No, he’ll never be the passer that Bradford was, or the runner that Holieway was, but he has the skill set to be a blend of the two With the right tutelage I think he could be a potential Heisman candidate. It’s a shame we’ll probably never see him live up to his potential.

      • Zack says:

        I don’t think knight has it between the ears and I’m as big of a fan of the kid as anyone. It could be JH’s fault but I don’t know if there is a correction to get Knight out of his own head.

        • DCinAZ says:

          I’m completely off the Knight wagon. Don’t want to see him on the field at OU ever again. Throwing into quadruple coverage, throwing into bracket coverage, and throwing dangerous lateral passes to well covered receivers for guaranteed INTs isn’t coaching. It’s an incompetent QB.

      • MrBigsby says:

        Except that “fantastic” arm can’t hit a receiver to save his life and often throws the ball out of bounds. Hell, he even had a Hail Mary go out of bounds on him this year. That’s just unacceptable. Does he even go thru his progressions (if there are any)? Seems like he throws into triple and even quadruple coverage because he knows where he’s going pre-snap. Just like he knows he’s handing the ball off on the so called “read option”. If Knight ever takes another snap in an OU uniform, we are in more trouble than I thought.

        • BigJoeBrown says:

          That is my opinion as well. The recievers took a lot of the brunt, some deserved but Knight wouldn’t really use them. It got old when they did replay’s seeing other recievers open specifically Blake Bell, and watching Knight just key in on who he was going to throw it to before the play started.

      • blaster1371 says:

        I cannot agree with any of your assessments on TK. He is. A terrible passer and his decision making skills are almost nil.

    • BigJoeBrown says:

      Yeah, when I saw that stat that TK had a 2.8 YPA last night. That’s bad, that’s just beyond bad, that just no improvement. He just finished his 3rd year of playing D-1 football but is still making the same mistakes. A 2.8 ypa?…..wow.

    • thebigdroot says:

      That comparison should come with the caveot of having a full time QB coach. This is Heupel’s only true calling. He produced at a very high level when that was his only responsibility.

      • Dailen says:

        Even so, he’s still the QB coach, and this is the product we’re getting now. He recruited dual-threat QBs instead of pocket passers and he doesn’t know what to do with them. Knight, as I said, is probably just a casualty of such shortcomings.

        • thebigdroot says:

          Understood but the decline in QB play and Heupel moving up to the box is parallel. I just don’t know if you can say it’s due to the “Dual” QB. Landry never progressed either.

  • Mizuno44 says:

    Super K, you nailed it. As it stands, this entire situation should be in a fish bowl, and everyone should be watching. The challenge is establishing the baseline we’re willing to accept, and then determining if the current regime can meet that objective. On the plus side, we’re blessed with our performance over the last several years, and can make a pretty good assessment based on that alone, but we can also pay attention to the excuses being laid on the table as well. I think by doing these things, one can quickly conclude that the trajectory we’re on doesn’t manufacture a playoff berth in the near future. If our storied program accepts this notion, it completely contradicts what we’ve always stood for, and basically diminishes our standard to a level not seen since the 90’s. Isn’t that why the current regime was brought in in the first place? Ironic at best.

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    I may get some flak for this, but I’ve gotta say it:

    When you pay for a product and the results aren’t as advertised, the only logical reaction is to demand a refund, or an exchange. We’ve already had the exchange: Shipp for Montgomery, Patton for Bedenbaugh, etc. The results are still the same, if not worse. It’s time for a refund. I’ve been on the Stoops train for awhile, but I cannot watch my school turn into the laughing stock of the CFB world and just sit back and rest on what happened last season, or 14/15 years ago while saying “we could be in worse shape”.

    What I witnessed last night was sickening. It was like being forced to watch my son get the crap kicked out of him over and over again and not being able to do anything about it. I don’t know how I’m ever going to convince myself to have faith in Bob Stoops again. Call my loyalty into question if you will, but I feel as though he abandoned us fans long ago and I’m only just now realizing it. I’m ready to move on.

    People who demand better aren’t traitors. Expecting the best is part of being a fan of OU football.

    • Herman Bubbert says:

      Well said. We’ve done the new assistants thing. Time for more.

    • DCinAZ says:

      We aren’t “negative Nancy’s” either. We’re the one’s fighting to keep the standard where it needs to be, with no excuses, and I won’t apologize for that.

    • thebigdroot says:

      Monty and Bedenbaugh’s lines look improved to me. The problems I have seen this year are on the back end and LB’s.

      • ToatsMcGoats says:

        Indeed. I wasn’t meaning to call out Monty and Bedenbaugh…what I meant was that the overall results (the slip into mediocrity) is the same. They are indeed two of the bright spots.

      • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

        I don’t think the LBs are bad. The overall defensive scheme and plays calls seem poor. Mike is not a 3-4 DC. I don’t think he has the Safeties he wants. His CBs are smallish, can’t/don’t play press well (I guess), and might not have the speed to stay with WRs on vertical routes.

        • thebigdroot says:

          They were up and down. Can’t cover anybody. Kish can’t recruit.

        • Chris Pedersen says:

          How many tackles you make doesn’t always reflect how good you are…how often do the backers get beat in coverage? How many times per game does our backers hit someone and drop them on the spot? How many times per game do they come in clean to finish a runner and get dragged 2-4 yards? I gave them a pass last year figuring an off season would put enough lead in their britches but no our backers are not even close to the standard we have here…Tulsa yes …cowgirls Umnnn not sure…here no way!

    • CastorTroyBoy says:

      Toats you would sound great giving that same speech down here in Houston at the OU alumni meeting this spring or summer!

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      Toats: I decided after the KSU game to take OU one game at a time and NOT EXPECT anything from the team. I don’t really know where the fault lies, but I just cannot stand to watch OU football anymore. There’s a huge element missing from the OU team this season, and it pains me to watch them flail and have hollow games. Sad but true and while I feel bad I am that way (45 years a Sooner fan), I also am tired of getting so stressed out for games I run everyone out of my house.

      Soo, I decided to take my two sons and my better half to a STL Blues game last night instead of watch the OU game. It paid off too since Brodeur posted his 125th career shutout, the Blues won 3 – 0, and I saw Tarasenko score a highlight-reel goal right in front of me (I was sitting 3 rows from the glass). It was an absolute blast to go to the game!!!

      I’m saying all that to say this: Watching OU football isn’t fun anymore … for me. I get stressed out, yell obscenities at the TV or from the stands, and get stone cold drunk ‘cuz I cannot deal with the stress. I have no idea what to expect from game to game, and there’s no way I can read this team. Now, we’ve gone and become the laughing stock of the college football world. Something just needs to change!!!

      • ToatsMcGoats says:

        Honestly, it’s like you took the words right out of my mouth. It pains me to say it, but I don’t feel the joy anymore, either. “Hollow games”…that is absolutely spot on.

    • Mysterio1 says:

      Perfect!

  • sooners12thman says:

    It all goes back to the great Victory over Alabama. The changes were needed before that win and somehow nothing happened.

    • paganpink says:

      How ironic that that great win may have worked against us fixing the things that needed to be fixed. It seems obvious that Bob Stoops has been hanging his hat on that win regardless of what other problems the team has had all year long. To field a team that is not even competitive- didn’t deserve to be on the field- is the ultimate insult to the fans and the school and he ought to know it better then anyone else. I think Stoops is going to have to change or he will be gone as well. And justifiably so.

  • bjwalker82 says:

    Phillips declared for the draft

  • Sooner_Ace says:

    ” Demanding” somehow “Defending” would work in the title as well 🙂

  • Stephen Dale says:

    Standards are set by the university and OU’s leadership isn’t on the same page as Alabama’s leadership ; at the coaching level or in the presidential office…..IF / WHEN Bob Stoops gets called on the carpet by Boren and given an ultimatum to ‘right the ship’ , then Bob MAY be inclined to try to do so… Whether he knows how remains to be determined. Who & how many coaches and who and how many players need to be culled from the program is open to debate. I do not have the answer and I question whether B Stoops does….IF HE DID, why has he let the program fall on such hard times ?? JMHO, I doubt B Stoops knows how to ‘right the ship’. It may take firing both JH & MS and it remains to be seen if BGB can or will do it….A number of players need to be sifted from the program for lack of leadership and/or effort… Charlie Strong cut a dozen or so and made believers of the rest ; OU should do likewise.

    • CastorTroyBoy says:

      Naw Dale, I don’t have any faith in David “thefumblingBumblingOfTheRealignment”Boren. We’ll get real change in philosophy once Boren has retired and hopefully the guy they hire has a great and different vision of the future than what Boren has. Sick of that guys infomercials and that voice…In down times like these all these guys sound even worse when were losing and embarrassing ourselves around the nation.

  • Dave Wilkins says:

    Seems like OU was pretty good on D with Pelini. We were undefeated until the Mike to AZ distraction. Then he went on to do good things at LSU. Osborne hired him at Nebraska, and that seems like a vote of confidence. His team played hard for him in the bowl game this year. I never took him as a “yes” man, but he seems like a better coordinator than a head coach. Thoughts?

    • CastorTroyBoy says:

      Pelini? Seriously Dave? I’m not trying to drag your post thru the mud but man you guys keep bringing up former staffers that were either fired or who are struggling to get the job done. Pelini’s specialty is defense correct? When he was here in 2004, he and Brent allowed USC to toys with us like yesterday or like any highschool looks! He also at Nebraska, has given up the most yards ever allowed by a major confrence football team. Over 400 yards until our guy bested it by running over a lowly Highschool, I mean KU team. Anyways and most important I don’t want friends of Bob Coaching anymore. Bring some people in here that have a different teaching, structural method and blitzes that are very different that we ever ran! I

      • Dave Wilkins says:

        John Papuchis is the Huskers D-coordinator not Pelini, so that is like blaming Mike’s job on Bob. We were undefeated the one year he was our co-coordinator with OU haveing the 6th best Run-D and 11th Scoring. Then Les hired him at LSU and they had the 3rd best Defense for 3 years and one a National Championship. His first year at NU he had the best record of any 1st year coaches. Then NU played for the Big 12 championship the next year and skunked Mike S. in the bowl game. Basically anywhere he has gone he’s had success, except for working for the dumbass AD at NU. NU was 1st or tied for 1st in the north every year in the Big 12. He’s coached with Hayden Fry, George Seifert(won super bowl) Pete Carroll, Mike Sherman, Bob Stoops, and Les Miles(national champion), so I imagine he has learned a thing or two. Sure he went to High School with the Stoops, but he has proven to be a Wildcard, and his record stands for itself. I don’t think he carried Bob’s books, and I feel like he is one guy that would tell it like it is, and that is Long overdue in Norman. Maybe he puts his foot in his mouth on a big stage, but he also gets his players to preform. Do some research before you dismiss a coach of his caliber next time.

        • Dave Wilkins says:

          Not to mention that the Twins that are top 25 DTs from Missouri could have a relationship with him. 🙂

    • DCinAZ says:

      I didn’t notice any particular improvement of any kind when Pelini was here. Seemed like we just offered him a spot to land to pump his resume up and draw a paycheck for a year.

  • Jack Durrett II says:

    I agree entirely. As a fan(atic) since 1952, I think the program has slipped noticeably over the last 5-6 years at least. The current state is unacceptable. I also think Stoops can right the ship but he acts slowly and not thoroughly enough. Time to bite the bullet, fire who needs to be fired. I nominate Josh Heuple first although I hate that.

  • Randy White says:

    I’m having a hard time buying into the idea that this team has been on the decline for several years. Last uear this team went 11-2 with a bowl victory over Alabama. That by any measure was a good year. This year has been a mess and I don’t have an answer for why. I do think BS may reflect on last year and not make any changes or just change some responsibilities. From last year to this year we lost DBs and WRs which I think has really hurt us. I may be wrong but I really think we may be in for a surprize if we think major changes are coming.

    • Steve Johns says:

      Not to mention losing Gabe and Bronson on the o-line.

    • hemisooner says:

      Is that surprise a another 8-5 season bc that’s what i see next year. A QB that cant play with 4 NEW oline starters. A defensive coaching staff that has no clue

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      OK, just tell us when was the last time we went into a game where our competition was brutal and we won? (2014 Sugar Bowl excluded) Actually, go into the last 7 years and tell us all that .. tell us all how OU has fared against ‘brutal’ competition during those years.

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    just a few short years ago… everyone was clamoring for changes… well Bob made changes… coaching changes and scheme changes… the failure of those coaches that are no longer here are why we had a season like this coming, we were fortunate it didn’t happen last year too.. this is just the 2nd year in 2 totally new offensive and defensive systems… just 2 recruiting classes into those systems… those players are just now playing as sophomores and freshman… only a few of the new young guys have gotten on the field so far… many more will see it next year & they are guys we recruited specifically for this offense and defense.. i’m an advocate for playing the best players and bringing in better ones every year… I think the same goes for coaches too… if you can get guys who coach better than the ones we have, then go for it… but i’m not automatically throwing out next season if they all return… our last 2 classes were pointing towards ’15 and ’16… i’m excited for what these guys can bring to the field… #Boomer

    • Steve Johns says:

      Good post, I agree Jeremy!

    • Cush Creekmont says:

      The QB play and the DB play is still poor no matter the scheme. But the Defensive scheme is awful.

      As for the players from the last two classes, a LOT of other teams have played freshman and done much better. Other than Perine, none of them have shown like the USC, FSU, Alabama, or Baylor young players.

      I too will cheer for OUr team next year, but some coaching changes need to be made.

    • hOUligan says:

      Good points. While I agree recruiting is caught between switches, I truly do not believe JH or Bob ‘believe’ or fully understand how to implement and utilize the ZR. It does not suit them or their fundamental beliefs. IMHO they would be better recruiting the pass first 6’3 QB who has the football IQ to read defenses. It’s what they do. If you’re going to make wholesale schematic changes, bring in the guys who can run it. Same on D. Mike has tinkered w/ the D for 3 years and only went to the 3-4 when they lacked DLmen. Go to a 4-2-5 variant and bring in guys who can run it, geared to stop Baylor and TCU first.

    • diablodejalisco says:

      they need to be recruiting a hotshot quarterback. i could see great improvement with a great quarterback and someone teaching MS how to coach a defensive backfield.

  • CastorTroyBoy says:

    Some Interesting news…I’m hearing from someone well connected

  • Super Keith says:

    Well said K.

    Fortunately/Unfortunately, I am in a position to evaluate folks and determine their future employment. To me, there is nothing worse than making the decision to let someone go. In my industry, the folks that I let go are losing a lot. It’s not just a minimum wage job that can be easily replaced, and I lose sleep over the process. However, it has to be done in order to keep my business moving forward.

    Bob finds himself in the same position today. He’s not going to lose his job over the way this season went, but his margin for error is gone. If he makes the hard changes, then he’ll buy himself time to right the ship (which I also believe he can do). If not, it all boils down to next year.

  • CastorTroyBoy says:

    Good News…! As many of you may have guessed, Hype is out as off. coord., Sadly because of Boren(Family) and Stoops (loyalty) he is only being demoted. Unless, he finds another opportunity to be off. coord. elsewhere then he’ll be gone. I’m hoping for that scenario because he’s not a good evaluator of Qb’s imho. Also Bob is having a hard time cutting his Brother Loose by firing him. They may try to get him reassigned and get him some fancy new title. Now if Bob Sticks with him and we have a Season like this Year, then both will probably ride off into the sunset together…Just what I’m hearing…

    • nicjams says:

      I’m fine with Heup on the staff so long as he’s strictly the QB coach.

    • Super Keith says:

      I wouldn’t have a problem with JH remaining as a QB only coach. Regardless of what lesser role he takes, that means another coach is getting axed…unless Norvell takes over as full time OC.

      • Gary Jackson says:

        I for one hope they bring in some new blood for the OC job.

        • Super Keith says:

          Me too. I don’t get the feeling that Norvell is interested in doing the job (at least I hope not). Since he was the OC, he’s partially to blame…so, it’s time for some new perspective/ideas.

        • blaster1371 says:

          JH and Norvell need to go. Neither is a quality position coach and togehter they make for a real crappy offensive game plan/strategy.

      • Gary Jackson says:

        I also think one reason OU didn’t run the true zone read is because Heupel doesn’t like it and didn’t buy into it and didn’t want to run it.

        • DCinAZ says:

          I think Heupel just wants the “illusion of a QB running game” (his exact words) and that’s what it’s really about. I think he’s THAT moronic in that he thinks that level of thinking is clever.

          • Gary Jackson says:

            If he’s that moronic I’m not sure I even want him coaching the QB’s.

          • DCinAZ says:

            Well…this is the same guy who after losing the Texas game last season with a terrible Bell performance told the media “it never occurred to us to put Knight in the game” in spite of Texas not being able to stop a running QB.

      • CastorTroyBoy says:

        SuperKeith, that Norvell could be our off. coordinator frightens me. He is an average recruiter, average teacher of technique and avg, calling offense. I have seen him first hand at UCLA, Neb. and Here! He’s someone I’d like fired but Bobby(there he goes again) stoops has surrounded himself with a guys who we now have to call ourselves IOWA U. Instead of OU. I’d like a clean break from this and go out and get a great college wr coach who teaches great technique. I’m also not happy to hear that hype and norvell may still be hear because I Hate this offense we run. We Should be down in Dallas learning from Jason Garrett, and Scott Lineham. learn their offensive blocking schemes. How they run routes, How they design offensive plays that get people free down field etc..Now I know it has alot to do with Romo, Witten, Bryant & Murray but we recruit talent and show them this offense and how this can elevate them to the pros and get some recruiters Like Tosh in here and man watch how we turn this around…

        • hemisooner says:

          No on Norvell also. He was horrible at UCLA and Neb. Fire hype, norvell, mike stoops, and move BJW into merv’s spot.

      • blaster1371 says:

        Norvell is underwhelming… Needs to hit the bricks.

    • DCinAZ says:

      If I were working for my brother, and my performance was damaging his reputation and his company’s reputation nationally, he wouldn’t have to fire me. I’d resign.

    • leatherneck1061 says:

      Where is this coming from?

    • Super K says:

      None of it is done yet but a lot of what you’re mentioning, though with some certain differences, is being talked about and I’ve personally been told through multiple sources.

      • connie usa says:

        We can only hope that the coordinators are replaced.
        And, I think they should do it BEFORE NSD. I think it’d be in very poor taste to let a recruit know AFTER he signs, that his coordinator is leaving or demoted.

      • Gary Jackson says:

        Do you think most of it will be done after national signing day?

      • CastorTroyBoy says:

        Yeah Super K, My Booster Friend has some info but he said things are still being decided…

    • connie usa says:

      I call BS on this.
      Now, maybe JH does get demoted/fired, but I seriously doubt you “are hearing this”.
      If it happens, you’ll probably say, “u heard it here first”.
      If it does NOT happen, then you’ll probably say, “Stoops fought to keep him”.

    • soonerbred4ever says:

      I sure hope your source is right.

    • hemisooner says:

      Good info castor. Like you i want hype gone bc he sucks at coaching and evaluating talent

  • Gary Jackson says:

    I also wish they would bring in someone to teach tackling. That was as poor tackling last night as I’ve ever seen.

  • CastorTroyBoy says:

    Gary,I agree totally….Any of you Remember that Penn State team from
    1986?? Shane Conlan etc.. They beat the heck outta Irvin and all the NFL
    players miami had on that team. Just went out there and rocked them!
    Best tackling college team I’ve ever seen!

  • curt gomer says:

    Anybody think that MS being let go wouldn’t do much with recruits? I always thought the way he acts on the sidelines that he probably hurts more than helps when it comes to recruiting. If your son was being recruited by OU on defense would you want MS to be his DC?

    • DCinAZ says:

      I don’t see any recruits givin’ up love for Mike and haven’t read that their relationship with him is the deciding factor.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Personally I don’t think the loss of either coordinator would have a negative impact on recruiting.

      • james babcock says:

        It would help.

      • Zack says:

        I think it would be the exact opposite of a bad thing. I think norvell monty and bedenbaugh are the only ones who would effect the recruits as well as Bob. Although I think it may be time for norvell to go depending on other moves.

        • Boom says:

          Cale too. I just look at norvell’s track record of HS recruits and there is smoke. Outside of Stills, not sure he can hang his had on anyone through the years. I don’t have any insight and I’m not calling for his head but just looking at the facts.

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    Out of curiousity, with the talk about MS being let go, do anyone more or less see him resigning…maybe to make it easier on Bob. It’s just that throughout the year, he seemed to acknowledge his struggle.

  • Rashad See says:

    It felt to me last night that the way the game was being coached, on the offensive side of the ball, that the offensive coaches already now their fate. It would seem that if I was coaching for my job, I would put my best foot forward yet the game plan provided little creativity and no misdirection. You would think that there would have been some wrinkles installed with 3 weeks to prepare yet the offensive game plan was bland and seemed as if we were just trying to make it through the game. I think last night solidified the fact that an new OC (or 2) will be calling plays for the Sooners next season. The fact is our skill positions are below average except at RB.

  • Tulsa Terry says:

    Has anyone considered that it was Brent Venables responsible for Sooner success?

    • curt gomer says:

      No. Our D was nothing to write home about before he left.

    • Steve Johns says:

      Not at all. He and Mike made it work early on. People were calling for his head too.

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      No, his defense hit a wall in the Big12. It’s like he got really good in the ACC, but it’s also like he couldn’t coach D in the Big12. Getting the best on OU doesn’t mean anything … put Clemson up against TCU or Baylor and let’s see what happens then.

    • kjt89 says:

      I wouldn’t say that BV was responsible for their success, but to say that he was a bad coordinator is just idiotic. Whether you look at the raw numbers or more advanced statistics that take opponents into consideration (say the elite Big 12 offensive teams during BV’s tenure) BV was a great DC.

      Scoring Defense (National Rank):
      2004 – 13.7 (5th)
      2005 – 23.9 (49th)
      2006 – 15.3 (17th)
      2007 – 18.2 (9th)
      2008 – 24.5 (57th)
      2009 – 14.5 (7th)
      2010 – 21.8 (33rd)
      2011 – 22.1 (31st)
      BV leaves
      2012 – 25.5 (50th)
      2013 – 22.1 (22nd)
      2014 – 24.8 (48th)

      If you look at Football Outsiders F/+ BV looks even better (it didn’t start doing defensive rankings until 2007:

      2007 – 11th
      2008 – 5th
      2009 – 1st
      2010 – 9th
      2011 – 7th
      BV leaves
      2012 – 23rd
      2013 – 24th
      2014 – 36th

  • CastorTroyBoy says:

    I know this Brent was a low percentage of the problem! He recruited well, but scheme and attitude of the program starts from the top down. Stoops is the Steward of the ship..Venables had his faults but he was the “fall guy” in all this. Looks like he came out looking pretty good in all this too.

    • Steve Johns says:

      Who was the DC against USC and WV?

    • curt gomer says:

      Agreed. Hes doing great at clemson with great athletes. Hate to say but at certain positions OU just hasn’t had great athletes for a while. There was a time not all that long ago that the majority of the best athletes in Texas and Oklahoma went to UT or OU. Not anymore, They really have to fight for them and they are losing most of those fights unfortunately

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      BV wasn’t called Vulnerables for no reason. He had problems defending Big12 teams while at OU. My take (which isn’t worth much): He is doing well in the ACC ‘cuz he doesn’t have to face Big12 offenses. So yeah, he’s a good DC, but NO, he isn’t good in the Big12 … I’m not sure any DC would do well in the Big12; just look at Patterson vs Baylor.

      • EasTex says:

        It appeared to me that lack of depth on defense was the Frogs undoing with Baylor. Their starting 11 on each side of the ball is very good, but not their depth.
        The thing that irked me most about BV was his inablility to make real time adjustments. Maybe he learned from the ’11 Taco Tech game where their screens and short crossing routes weren’t stopped or slowed until late in the game.

  • EasTex says:

    Change is constant.
    Now I will wait and see what changes are coming.
    Any coaching changes need to be made as soon as possible and not wait until after NSD.

    • Steve Johns says:

      True.

    • Boom says:

      Not sure how Stoops is managing the changes but don’t expect them to be overnight. I feel he will provide another option until they find another job. Either way they are gone but he won’t flat out fire any of them.

      • EasTex says:

        I agree he will try and help them find a landing spot.
        I don’t expect it to be overnight, but sooner rather than later. The coaching carousel is still spinning fast right now, but it will start to slow down before the dead period ends.

    • connie usa says:

      I agree 100%. I think it’s very nasty to sign kids, then fire their coordinator before they enroll.

    • Hotrod33 says:

      I don’t mind the changes but the one thing that he really needs to do and that is play the best players period. I don’t care if they have been there 5 yrs if they can’t get the job done get them out. The other thing is to build depth is to let the 2nd team play when there is no chance of the other team winning. If we are up by 30 in the middle of the 3rd qtr, but the reserves in so they can get some meaningful minutes. It only helps when one of your starters goes down. I believe we have some talent on this team but we have to prepare them better.

      • EasTex says:

        That has puzzled me for years, why he is so reluctant to put in a mix of backups and starters when a game is out of reach. I know I’ve heard Bob answer, but I agree with you. Better to get the on field jitters out of the way so when they are needed that aspect of being a new guy is resolved. Also, throw the dudes a bone for all the practices and conditioning.

        • Sooner Ray says:

          I’m worried we will see even less of it as it would lower our score in the “beauty contest”.

          • EasTex says:

            You’re right.
            Those huge scores we racked up with Jason and Sam seem so long ago. We may need to average 60 a game going forward.

          • connie usa says:

            With Perine, and “hopefully” Mixon, just having an average thrower as a QB will equalte to a pretty awesome offense.

        • Hotrod33 says:

          Yep, they deserve to be out there just like the starters. I remember when Switzer did that and he had some very good players out there and it does help, one with confidence and the other reps. If you want your players to buy in then give them playing time. The spring practices will be huge for a lot of these guys. Too bad we won’t get to see them for ourselves.

  • albsooner says:

    Stoops has fired 4 assistants (Martinez one year and the next year Patton, Kittle, and Shipp). He hired some pretty good assistants to replace them. I am confident Bob will right the ship with some good hires.

  • curt gomer says:

    With how good a job Montgomery has been doing would we be better switching back to the 4-3? From what i recall didn’t we go to a 3-4 because we were so thin at DL? I guess we been selling a 3-4 to recruits tho.

    • EasTex says:

      We were so thin we thought a juco DL transfer would be our savior and he never played a down before getting booted.
      I know how well the Frogs 4-2-5 works and will be interested to see how the Spartans do against the Bears. I also prefer the 4-2-5, it just requires more depth on the DL.
      Not sure how it will effect recruiting if we switch, though.

      • JJSoona says:

        Hey there EasTex, why do you prefer the 4-2-5? A friend said the same thing today to me.

        • EasTex says:

          Hey bruh.
          I like the gap control better, makes it more difficult for OL getting to the LBs and I like stunts and twists on the line you can use with 4. Rushing from the corner takes longer and blitzes from the 4-2 or 4-3 up the middle seem more effective to me.

      • curt gomer says:

        Requires a lot of depth in the secondary to that maybe we do have the depth but just not really good players. Not real good yet anyways.

        • EasTex says:

          I actually like the young secondary players we have and really like the commits we have so far.
          Beefier LBs would be better, too.

          • curt gomer says:

            I know what you mean about the linebackers! Id give my left nut for a couple 240 pound downhill LBs that teams were afraid of and when they hit someone they go backwards! Maybe DeBerry is a good start

          • EasTex says:

            We have had some great LBs at OU over the years, they are such difference makers.

          • Hotrod33 says:

            I agree on the young secondary. I thought that J. Thomas did decent at times and then bad at times. Parker will be a good one. I would like to see this Tito Windham and Marcus Green. It won’t hurt to get these guys some good reps in the spring to see what they can do.

          • EasTex says:

            Thomas needs more S&C and tackling drills.
            With PJ, Haughton and Sunderland coming in the secondary looks to be well stocked for years.

          • Hotrod33 says:

            I agree that Thomas needs some S&C and tackling drills but we needed him this year. He took his lumps but in the end I think this will help him in the future. Plus, the corners need to play press coverage also.

          • EasTex says:

            From what I saw Thomas actually covered better than Wilson. The experience he got this year will go a long way, he’s a very bright young man and will figure it all out.

          • CastorTroyBoy says:

            Depends whose coaching them. We bring folks in to coach who cannot recruit DB’s who can cover and alot of times you won’t get a great reading on that from 7 on 7 you have to bring extraordinary blitzes and your DB’s and safety’s have to understand what their man whose across from them likes to do and you have to be intensely competitive. I rarely see Oklahoma Db’s playing like the Db’s around the country we hear about…

          • Gary Jackson says:

            Amen on the tackling drills!!! 🙂

      • SCKSChief says:

        Just my two cents, I don’t think there needs to be any speculation until Bob finds someone that knows what to do with all the pieces.

  • CastorTroyBoy says:

    Guys to be honest and just look at the ACC players that go in all Rounds, they have better athletes in 15 mile radius than the State of Oklahoma as a whole. Plus I have questioned all the hype coming from Sonner fans regarding texas talent! Top to bottom it is overrated. Too much time is spent evaluating guys during 7on 7 tournaments lets keep it real..Venables has better talent at Clemson especially in the secondary! Mike Stoops teams got carved up at at Arizona because of people being not able to tackle, taking bad angles, too much thinking in Mike’s defense. I dare anyone of you to go back and look at youtube games of Stoops at Arizona or earlier at OU. His defenses did well when they had better athletes but when talent was equal or better you saw big passing games from those pac-12 Qb’s…Brent doing better because he has better defensive talent at his disposal at Clemson. Stop drinking that recruiting service Koolaid. It was proven on the field!

    • curt gomer says:

      I see what your saying but there is a 11-1 team in waco and fort worth and A&M,UT,OU fieling decent teams and most of those teams players are from Texas

      • CastorTroyBoy says:

        Again it gets back to coaching. baylor surprising has had more db’s drafted and played in the nfl than OU. There are actually highly regarded by pro scouts for their secondary people in rounds 1-7.

  • Guest says:

    Was it really just 4 months ago?

    I think the saying is…. BOOM!

  • soonermusic says:

    Looking forward to B. Stoops’ evaluation of what changes need to be made and where. And then, of course, the “I can’t believe he didn’t fire so and so” posts. 🙂 I definitely had the sense, the way he went after dgb and more recently a juco wr, that that is one of his areas of major concern. It will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out.

    • connie usa says:

      Hopefully we have QB that can get them the ball.
      Problem is, does DGB stay after seeing the QBs this year? Does he see improvement in the future?

      • soonermusic says:

        I don’t think guys like DGB worry about that. Receivers like that figure anyone can get them the ball if they’re wide open, or just throw it up anywhere and he’ll get it. I think his decision will be based on other things.

  • Ricky34 says:

    With all the rumors of coaching changes … Jordan or super k what’s your thoughts on Clancy Pendergast. .looks like he was a grad assistant at one time at OU and has produced great defenses

  • Jason Rudd says:

    How many coaches has Saban fired at Alabama and LSU?

    • Sooner Ray says:

      He runs his program like a business…..a successful business.

      • Sooner_Ace says:

        spot on

      • Jason Rudd says:

        No one with a half brain can question Saban’s methodology? But the statement made above alluded that Saban would’ve fired bunch of coaches. So…how many coaches did Saban Fire while at LSU or Alabama? I’m assuming this is a very low number or 0. People, like always just make random statements as if they are facts. I really don’t know the answer to my question, fyi.

  • Mysterio1 says:

    Very nice. Well written, but this all falls on Bob this is his program. He is beyond loyal. How do you ever explained Kittles?
    I can think of five coaches that I would like to see move on.

  • roygbell says:

    Super K, I really appreciate your thought process. As someone who has been in the business of producing in the private sector I understand the issue of having to be objective with employees. You hit the nail on the head as those who have to make the decisions on where drawing the line on whether a particular employee is doing the job or not is a really tough one. Like you, I tried to be loyal to my employees as I also wanted them to be loyal to me. In the private sector it is the bottom line that eventually drives us to those decisions.

    However, in the case of OU football it is a little different. Joe “C” and Boren are at the top of the institutional decision makers. However, the ultimate decisions are the fans, alums and boosters. If Joe and Boren don’t take the necessary steps to ensure that Bob gets his job done then the fans, alums and boosters will do it with their support.

    I don’t think that Joe and Boren are idiots. They have to know the football program is in trouble. I wrote Joe an email yesterday. It wasn’t a nasty email. Just a gentle reminder that I am not happy with the direction of Bob’s program. I have friends and family that have done the same so I know that the “real decision makers” are doing their part to right this ship.

    Anyway, my purpose with this post was simply to tell you that I enjoy your thought process as you have a good method of expressing what many of us are thinking.

    Thanks

    • Herman Bubbert says:

      Good post, Roy. I have the same issues here, with people under me who I like personally whose performance is marginal, at best. The bottom line is performance, not whether I like them or not.

      I also appreciate Super K’s piece for its thoughtfulness, and for its departure from the rote ad hominem attacks and “What about 2000?” arguments that are clogging up every OU message board from the pro-Stoops crowd.

      That is not to say I agree with his conclusion, because I believe the Rubicon has been crossed and it’s time for Stoops to move on. I have NO idea how Stoops is going to continue to recruit against the documentable negativity available to every coaching staff we recruit against. We are now a national punch line in the media, and the tape of the Clemson game, replete with our lack of effort on the field and the lack of engagement on the sidelines, is available to every coach we face on the recruiting trail.

      I don’t believe the issues the program faces will disappear with a couple of new assistants and a little redoubled effort in the Switzer Center.

  • JB says:

    K, I think Bob has grown complacent, and I don’t think he can right the ship. It’s not that he isn’t physically capable, it’s that he won’t make the change that needs to be made most…canning his brother.

  • George R Pearson says:

    geee, guys, the new line coaches are working with what was there when they came in, give them time to recruit the type players they need. yall forget also how young this team is, and you go fire nbuts over the upset loss to ok st? remember last year it was us that upset them, that’s part of the game. guess fla st needs to fire their entire coaching staff after Oregon debacle, huh? now, we do need changes, mike stoops needs to go, along with wr-te coaches, and yes, we need to recruit to josh hyples needs, not try and be like a&m