OU vs. Tulsa – What I’ll Be Watching

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* OU Secondary: Figured we could just go ahead and get this one out of the way early since it’s clearly the most obvious. New Tulsa head coach Phillip Montgomery has brought his Baylor offense to the Golden Hurricanes and though you certainly have to take into account the competition, the early results have definitely been positive.

Through the first two weeks of the CFB season; Tulsa ranks No. 10 nationally in passing offense, No. 6 in total offense, No. 3 in total first downs & No. 1 in yards per completion. To say this passing offense will be the biggest test the OU defense will have faced in their first three games would be a massive understatement.

Akron essentially didn’t even attempt to threaten OU through the air, and Tennessee was limited both by a below-average passer at QB and the lack of any true deep threat/s at WR. I only had to spend a couple minutes watching some of Tulsa’s highlights from their first two games to see the drastic differences between what the Sooners have seen thus far compared to what they can expect to see this Saturday. This is Tulsa offense that will not be afraid to test this OU secondary on deep passes, something we all remember Oklahoma struggling with mightily last year.

At times Jordan Thomas has looked a little hesitant in his coverage, something he almost assuredly will not have the luxury of being in this one as I’d expect Tulsa to go after him early and often. Oklahoma got away with really not even having to play Hatari Byrd against the Vols, but that likely will not be the case against this Tulsa team that will spread the OU defense out with three, four, and five wide receiver threats. And, yes, Ahmad Thomas has looked markedly better so far in 2015 but, as previously mentioned, really has yet to be tested by a viable threat.

I fully appreciate all of these are things you know already, but nevertheless they have to be said on what figures to arguably be the determining match up in this game.

* O-Line: It’s going to continue to be a focus point until they start to play better. Going back and watching the Tennessee game after I got back from Knoxville, I was particularly alarmed at the play of the three interior guys: Jonathan Alvarez, Ty Darlington & Nila Kasitati. I will be the absolute first guy to tell you I’m no JY, but far as I could tell that trio really, really struggled against an admittedly rather talented Tennessee defensive front. And to be fair, OU may not face another defensive line as talented until they square off against Baylor in mid-November.

That said, if this is an offensive line with the potential many believe they possess then this is the type of game we need to see some tangible signs of improvement. Tulsa definitely isn’t bringing in a defensive front the caliber of Tennessee, or even that of Akron. So what we need to see on Saturday is an OU o-line consistently opening up rush lanes for Samaje Perine and/or Joe Mixon — in addition to whomever else the Sooners may ask to run the ball — and keep Baker Mayfield both upright and not scrambling for his life.

This is a Tulsa defense that ranks No. 120 nationally in rushing defense and has allowed an alarming 524 yards on the ground in their first two games. So if we this is OU offense come out and start slow, especially on the ground, early yet again it could be a sign of problems to come.

* Which WR Will Step Up?: Is it fair to say OU’s had a bit of a pedestrian start with respect to their passing game? Certainly slow starts in both of their games thus far has played a significant role into things, but more specifically this past Saturday we saw an inordinate number of drops from the Oklahoma wideouts in that Tennessee game.

In the season opener against Akron, it looked like Durron Neal was possibly going to be that No. 2 threat behind Sterling Shepard. However, Neal most responsible for a couple of those aforementioned drops this past Saturday. Meanwhile Dede Westbrook came in with a considerable amount of hype and has shown some flashes, but also needs to be more consistent. Which is a sentiment that you could really apply to the wide receiver group as a whole.

With a Tulsa team coming to Norman that currently ranks No. 74 nationally in pass defense, one would have to believe this game will present a number of opportunities for this OU offense to capitalize on through the air.

The biggest question (for me) will be whether it’s Shepard pulling in something like 10 balls and no other OU receiver recording more than two-to-three, or will things be more spread out with one (or more) guys potentially have that breakout game you could argue this position group needs?

* Front Three Four: This is a unit that had an exceptional game a week ago, so the key in this one will be whether or not they can continue to build off that or whether they instead take a step back in a less “high profile” match up.

In my estimation, one could pretty easily make the case that Charles Walker and Jordan Wade had the best game of their respective OU careers last Saturday against the Vols. Both are guys who when they arrived in Norman were believed to have a very high ceiling as players, however prior to last week we’d yet to really see that translate to the actual field.

And how could you not mention Devante Bond when discussing OU players who stood out against Tennessee? However it will be interesting to see how he will be used against Tulsa, because the limitations of the Vols’ passing game allowed Mike Stoops to keep both Bond and Eric Striker on the field at the same time for the majority of the game. Against this Golden Hurricanes team, though, he likely won’t be able to utilize that same tactic. Instead you can probably expect to see OU more in their nickel and dime sets, in which case you can really only get away with Bond or Striker on the field, typically not both.

Oklahoma has certainly not been shy — and deservedly so — in touting the statistical prowess this Mike Stoops defense has managed through these first two weeks. But as we’ve said a number of times now, this Tulsa team will present a much different threat than anything Oklahoma has faced so far. It will be a fascinating chess match between M.Stoops and Montgomery as they look to get the better of one another.

* It’s A Trap!: Again this is pretty obvious and I already kind of alluded to it above, but if there was ever a tailor made let down spot it would be this game. With an OU team coming off an emotional — to say the least — win on the road, this is your picture perfect set up for a trap game.

Personally I don’t think this scenario really comes into play, rather I see that Tennessee game serving as more of a springboard versus setting this team up for a let down a week later. But I suppose we won’t know for sure until Saturday. Hopefully this will be one of the few instances where I’m right 🙂

What will you be watching for Saturday afternoon?

435 Comments

  • Exiled In Ohio says:

    Good stuff, Jordan! Thanks!

  • Sooner_Ace says:

    WR’s are posing a quandry indeed, besides SHEP need a consistent threat…..that blocks…Mead step up…

    • Scott Moore says:

      I think Westbrook for one will emerge consistent. That big drop of his early came on a bullet. Yes, he should have caught it. But that ball had some Zip and he didn’t get the web closed to stop it.

  • dallassooner says:

    Definite trap game. Not to say we lose but I could see us “struggle” to a 42-21 kind of win.

    • Oscar says:

      I do not believe this is a “trap” game at all. Trap games imply a letting down by a team because they believe they are superior to another team to a point that they do not have to give full attention and focus to an opponent. After what the Sooners have experienced the last couple of years, I do not believe there is anyone on our team, or on our staff, that believes they can take a Saturday off and coast to a win. I think they are fully aware of Tulsa.

      • Scott Moore says:

        Traps are of different flavors. This one could come by way of riding high from a Double OT thriller. One that they exhausted themselves physically, mentally and emotionally to win. But athletic advantage will vanquish the trap and the good guys win 42-21. 21-14 at half. You guessed it, another slow start.

  • Exiled In Ohio says:

    I’m betting we cover. Both their receivers and the Vegas line.

  • TypicalSooner says:

    I’ll be watching the secondary. This is the perfect test to see how they will do against all the spread offences in the Big12.

    And I want to see if our offense comes out swinging. Akron was the first game and Tenn was a tough environment but there is no excuse for this Tulsa D. I wanna see us score a Touchdown in one of our first drives to get the offense rolling early.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    1.) I agree with most every point JE wrote ; 2.) Tulsa is going to move the ball on OU and score points but OU should score more and win comfortably ; 3.) What will Tulsa do defensively to shorten the game ? my guess is stack the LOS ( like Akron ) and force OU to throw to a battery of inconsistent receivers; 4.) turnover ration and special teams ( ST) could break open a tight game in the Sooners favor ; the earlier the better ; 5.) keeping people healthy, The Sooners can ill afford to lose more O-Linemen or BM…——-those are what i’ll be in the stands watching to see.

  • h-townsooner says:

    Athleticism will win us the game but will be a great training match for the opponents we will face in conference play.

  • Scott says:

    The secondary and WR’s , Jordan Thomas needs to play better on coverage , hopefully PJ starts the game

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Yep. I don’t trust our secondary in coverage yet against a good team. Tulsa will let us gauge just how far we’ve improved in that area. Looking for no busts, and good tackling after the catch.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    The early start could cause some “early struggles” as well, after two night games.

    • ccmosaic says:

      I do not understand why fox would put our game on at 11 am and then run OSU out there at the 2:30 game. How is it that Fox treats us worse than ESPN?

  • cdzendolet says:

    I don’t think this should fall into a ‘trap’ game, since there is a bye week up next, meaning the Sooners shouldn’t be looking forward to WVU yet – they will have two weeks to prepare.

    I am looking for Mixon or Perine to have 150+ yards on the ground. This is the game where the O-line can and should show what it is made of as it comes to the run game. Akron/Tennessee had stout front 7’s, so if we don’t have a good O-line performance this weekend, it could be a sign of troubles.

    I also want to see a WR box score like Akron – spread out with multiple guys getting 3-4 catches. I really want to see Mark Andrews utilized a bit more.

    As far as the secondary is concerned, this is definitely a bigger litmus test for them than the previous two games. In my admittedly limited knowledge of the X’s and O’s of football, I think the secondary has looked pretty good so far. Was Akron’s lack of a passing game due to the secondary limiting options, or is their QB1/2 really just that bad? Josh Dobbs was supposed to be a pretty good passer/runner, and the secondary held up pretty well against him – the TD pass to Malone was a tight window and the DB was on him in pretty good coverage (I thought). I am looking to see if they can hold to under 250 passing yards.

    And mostly, we need to have a first half offense.

  • SamSooner says:

    Until the DBs can’t cover a receiver. I choose to believe they’ll be just fine, based on what I’ve seen so far.

  • Swanny says:

    When I put together the hype video this week, I will be watching the secondary. They want to push the ball down the sidelines. He has already implemented Baylor’s offense and this will be the perfect team to play and assess ourselves prior to our Big 12 slate… Here’s my hype video for this game: https://youtu.be/WIEjXy8PMCc

    • JY says:

      Great video man!

      • Katyboomer says:

        JY, great seeing you on here. Any thoughts on the Oline play so far?

        • JY says:

          I think they’re talented but inexperienced. They have to get better at the little things and playing physical and with good technique all the time. The good news is that they had some success against a very good Tennessee front. It’s not at the level that they expect, and that fans have grown accustomed to, but players and teams get better as the year wears on. These guys seem to be hungry and want to do great things, and with a lot of people that’s half the battle. There’s going to come a point where they put it all together. I’d like to see them make significant progress this week, like Jordan said. The
          Sooners need to be able to run the ball at will this weekend, clean up the mistakes and give Baker a clean pocket all the time. If they can do that, then that’s significant progress.

          • Katyboomer says:

            Well put, thanks for the reply

          • Indy_sooner says:

            I think you hit the nail on the head JY. We’ve been very accustomed to having a good *scratch that* GREAT line, so much so, that anything less than that is considered a failure. Cannot fault folks for that, but it also puts things into perspective the amount of work that goes into developing the unflashy, meat and potatoes bits of the squad.

      • Swanny says:

        Thanks JY

    • Katyboomer says:

      Thanks, that was cool!

    • Slim Sooner says:

      Great job! Thanks.

    • cdzendolet says:

      Thanks for making another one! Always love seeing Shepard highlights.

      • Swanny says:

        Thanks!

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    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      thanks for the video, it was great

    • rainydaze114 says:

      That catch at :50 is niiiiiiiiiiiiiice.

    • Pokerman says:

      Nice. What is the background music?

    • soonersd says:

      pretty awesome that you are doing these. thanks amigo

  • Cory Pedersen says:

    Dobbs isn’t a below average passer… I don’t believe he is all-world but I don’t think he is below average either. Didn’t have the best game against us, and I think we deserve some of the credit for that. That, and Butch’s conservative play calling.

  • KJ1123 says:

    I agree with Jordan on the OL. I hope the OL play is better this week. St. John had a decent game I thought, but that’s relative to how the rest of the OL performed. An OL needs to work as a unit and move in-sync with one another, one block affects the next players block. And I hate to say it, but this unit does not work together and they don’t look like they are on the same page. Bad steps, bad tech, missed blocks, being in a bad position to make the correct block, not fighting to get to the right side of a block, always appearing to depend on washing guys out…makes it really hard for us to establish a run game with the great backs we have.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Yep, but I have faith that we’ll see a little progress here. Tulsa’s DL shouldn’t present the same challenge as the first two games and that might allow the OL to relax a little and concentrate on their assignments.

      • KJ1123 says:

        I admit I don’t know anything about Tulsa’s DL, I think the coaches may be feeling the same way because it looks like we’ll have guys playing different positions this week to give other guys a chance to heal before WVU.

        • MoJoOkie says:

          I think we may have some guys a little nicked up. I don’t think Tulsa’s DL is as big and maybe not as mobile as the two we’ve already seen. If our OL wore Tennessee’s DL down, I think they will more-so to Tulsa’s. I can always be wrong and I’ve got witnesses who will testify.

          • KJ1123 says:

            I would really love to just see us pound the ball in there this game. If we can come out the gate controlling the line of scrimmage we may get to see how the offense should properly operate.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            I agree. Plus 4-5 yards per play, with the occasional big run will eat clock and limit their opportunities. I would like to see enough of their offense to challenge our DB’s though. Just for the selfish reason that I would like to assess where we stand when the schedule toughens up, in that respect, down the road.

        • Slim Sooner says:

          KJ, who do you see starting on the line at what positions if Ty and Nila can’t go?

          • KJ1123 says:

            From what I saw, the only person that looks to be playing a different position is Samia. He may be sliding down to RG if Nila cant’ go, which he can play and has played before during his HS years, other than that it will be the same 2 deep rotation. Alvarez over to center and Danley at LG.

    • hOUligan says:

      Just don’t see how we can get much progress in the OL this week if Ty is out and worse, if Nila can’t go. More shuffling = the same 5 not getting the chance to work together as a unit, which, as you said, is maybe the most crucial aspect of OL play. Individuals can improve on their tech but the unit is taking a step back if guys are out with injuries as it is obviously not the combo Coach B wants on the field. Still, think they can have success and make blocks and score points.

      • KJ1123 says:

        I agree, and I don’t want to sound like a total downer, but I honestly don’t think Coach B has found the right combo that he absolutely trusts yet.

        • hOUligan says:

          You certainly get that feeling. With the youth and inexperience, it could be a few weeks until he has the guys he likes best in their best positions. Just hate seeing the minor injuries set their development back but it does give more guys that need it more game experience. So maybe a bit of a bright side?

          • KJ1123 says:

            Definitely, if there ever was such a thing as good timing for some minor injuries, it would be now. What I AM really excited about, is our OL should be pretty dang good for the next couple of years.

      • MoJoOkie says:

        Depth. The only thing I can come up with. Sometimes you have to sacrifice in the short term for a long term gain. This game might be one where he thinks he might have the luxury of being able to fool around a little without paying too high of a price for it.

  • Soonerfandave84 says:

    I’ll be watching for PJ Mbanasor to get some reps in 6 man DB packages. Really want to see him get quality snaps early so he will be able to help vs TCU and Baylor down the road.

  • tfb_fortyseven says:

    Thinking REALLY hard here: I’ll be looking for the guys in crimson ‘n cream carrying that pigskin across the goal line more than those blue ‘n gold folks.

  • Kelly Gurbcock says:

    One thing I noticed is Baker loves to roll right and look right. If I’m an opposing DC I’m sending some pressure from the outside on the the strong side. Force him left to see what happens.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      I’m not aware of a lot of QB’s that prefer to roll to their non-dominant side. If they do, they are typically going to run with it. Throwing across your body while on the run is generally frowned upon because that ball can come out of there in disarray.

      • Kelly Gurbcock says:

        I understand but he also throws to the left across his body while rolling right as well. As much as he likes to leave the pocket I’m forcing him left.

        • MoJoOkie says:

          If you can force him, that’s the whole idea as a DC, but I see your point.

        • Boom says:

          I’ve mentioned this too. Based on where the rush is coming from, scrambling is the last resort. The QB can also dip the right shoulder and go back to left but still stay somewhat in the pocket. This is a very quick move to buy another second before the scramble. QBs work on mutiple drills to get out of the rush without scrambling.

      • Birddawg says:

        A Good D coordinator can pressure the qb to his non dominant side and put an end to most of the extended plays. =

        • MoJoOkie says:

          Maybe. If the DC can dictate the game, that’s good for him. Sometimes that’s easier said than done. For everything you do to force a certain player (QB) to do what you want, you sacrifice somewhere else.

          • Birddawg says:

            It easier when the offensive line isn’t very good and can be manipulated with stunts/blitzs or get flat out beat on one on ones..
            I will put it down now.. If the oline continues to struggle.
            Guarantee two losses at least. Conference play is starting in a couple of weeks. Competition week in and week out.
            Loss in Oct and November is coming.

    • soonermusic says:

      He made at least one huge pass play in the game while rolling and scrambling to his left.

  • ouwooferman says:

    ..

  • JJSoona says:

    Is it me or is Samaje Perine stronger than last year? On a couple of runs, after he went head to head with a defender, he was up and looking down at the guy as if to get a message across. Just how good can this RB core be when the OL improves?

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      he ran through a DT hitting him square in the video below. Raw power RBs aren’t supposed to have

    • soonermusic says:

      I agree, I think those who have questioned his power after the weight loss are deceived by the fact that he’s a bit lighter on his feet, but when you look at what happens to the defenders that he hits, it looks to me like he’s hitting harder than ever.

  • ouwooferman says:

    I will be focused on the Punt/Kick return game. This needs to break out and help us start outside the shadow of our goal posts.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      no penalties on kick returns would be a huge start

      • MoJoOkie says:

        Just punt returns might be another big deal.

        • holieway4ou says:

          Mixon needs to be the punt returner in this game. He needs the experience and it’s unwise to risk shepard against Tulsa.

          • EasTex says:

            Mixon is expendable?

          • hOUligan says:

            and..

          • Soonerfandave84 says:

            nothing that just put that in my head for some reason

          • holieway4ou says:

            More so than Shepard. But I see where you’re coming from. Mixon is a bigger body and maybe a bit less likely to get hurt.

          • EasTex says:

            I disagree for one simple reason, returning a punt is no greater a risk for injury than running into the line of scrimmage against huge, twisting bodies or having your legs twisted or getting hit after receiving a pass.
            At least with a punt the receiver has the call to run if he sees a broken field or a fair catch if there isn’t room to run.
            Good hands is the first requisite, elusiveness and speed follow.

          • Scott Moore says:

            Yes but it’s a numbers game too. The more you are out on the field, the greater your chances. We didn’t do so well when Shep went down last year. I’m with the camp that keeps him sitting on returns. He hasn’t been a world beater anyway. I would prefer someone other than Mixon too. I see him getting more and more involved with the offense and becoming an even more important weapon that he already is.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Not sure who I’d use. I don’t like Shepard back there because he’s too valuable and that makes us too nervous to actually turn him loose. I wonder if Quick has the paws for that? I wouldn’t use Mixon though.

          • Sooner_Ace says:

            What about Quick? Since he has not cracking into WR lineup….

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Yeah, he’s got some squirm to him, so I could see him busting a few.

        • RBear says:

          I still want to see Baxter get a crack at returning punts.

  • OceanDescender says:

    I’ll be watching, hoping, and praying for the good guys to hit pay dirt on their opening drive. I’d like to see OU set the tone EARLY. Other than that, easy win; no trap game worries at all!

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      I’d love to see Samaje and Mixon both hit 150 rushing and neither need to play in the 4th

    • Kelly Gurbcock says:

      I only worry because it’s Montgomery on the other side. He has some kind of mind control over Mike and his D’s that cause them to poop themselves.

      • Soonerfandave84 says:

        fortunately he doesn’t have Corey Coleman or KD Cannon though

      • OceanDescender says:

        Yeah I can see that, but Kevin Wilson went over to Indiana after coordinating the best offense in CFB history and Indiana was (and is) still Indiana. I think Tulsa will still be Tulsa come Saturday if you catch my meaning. And hopefully we start getting a different, better picture of Coach Mike as the defensive coordinator too.

  • Cory Pedersen says:

    Agree on the point about Bond, as well. It’s a shame him and Striker can’t be on the field at the same time more… Was really fun to see

  • hOUligan says:

    I’ve always liked UTulsa. Around 50% of the roster is OK kids, smaller school kids, guys who were a couple of inches ‘too short’, ‘a little ‘undersized’…but Oklahoma hs kids representing their state, with the other 50% Texas kids and some Arkies thrown in. Montgomery knows OU and knows how to game plan for OU. He doesn’t have the pure athletes but he has some kids with heart. It should be a good game early with OU maybe a little ‘hungover’ emotionally from UTenn. Good game for the OU D to work out passing D, coverages.

  • Jesse says:

    All I want to see is a complete game. Start early, often, and let’s see the backups.

  • Maverick says:

    I love Striker, but I’m not convinced Bond isn’t the better player. I think we’ll see Bond rotate in more this week even if we stay in the Nickel all game.

    • Exiled In Ohio says:

      I’m with you.

    • RBear says:

      I think we will see Bond drafted higher than Striker.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        I think Striker is a better college player than pro. Too light for the pro game.

        • RBear says:

          I think he might still play on Sundays, just not at the same position

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Yeah, he will have to ramp up his cover skills if he is going to play a lighter position. He is one of those classic guys that the Stoops brothers love. He’s a “tweener.” They use them to great effect, especially against HUNH offenses. The problem is the pros usually look for the guys with the prototype bodies for a position and Striker doesn’t have one of those.

          • RBear says:

            Special Teams headhunter

  • Jeff says:

    If Perine and Mixon don’t run for 100 it will be a epic fail

  • Jason Vos says:

    Time to see what the DB’s can do. Im happy we get to play this kind of offense right b4 BIG 12 play then have a week off to work on whatever mistakes we discover from this game.

  • Jason Vos says:

    Time to see if Hatari Byrd and Ahmad Thomas can cover anybody

  • Josh says:

    I think Bond and Striker play a lot together, they are too dangerous a combo not to. You can’t block both of them 1 on 1 with an OT so you have to keep in an RB or TE type to chip. I think you will see them working on various fronts and schemes to keep them both out there. Bond did a very good job of buzzing the flats when asked and Striker is capable of coverage too so it’s something they can do but I think we all agree that needs to be asked of them on a very limited basis.

  • roygbell says:

    Why is it that the game following a big game is always a “trap” game?

    Tulsa isn’t any more of a trap game than any other. I don’t see this defense looking past Tulsa for an open date. Just doesn’t make sense to me. Perhaps, if we had a big game following Tulsa that would make a difference. The big issue on defense is whether we have learned much about playing pass defense against these spread the field air raid offenses.

    I liked the play of Thomas and Parker against the Vols. I saw a ton of improvement from both of them over a year ago. Both played much faster and with much more confidence. I think how OU will play Tulsa is strictly dependent on how much we have improved scheme wise and the improvement of the safeties Bird and Ahmad Thomas – that is my biggest concern.

    • Sooner_Ace says:

      If nothing else, it makes for heated discussions 🙂

    • j l says:

      You are typically beat up, which we are. You are typically physically and mentally exhausted. Trap games are a very real thing.

      I dont think we suffer from one here though.

  • SoonerOracle737 says:

    I will be watching for three things:
    Oline play. It was a mess last week on assignments. I saw one play where Tenn only rushed three lineman and all three broke into backfield almost untouched due to confusion on assignments for our O line. Really, really…just a mess. I hope they get this corrected ASAP.
    Next will be our running game. Tulsa is really bad against the run and we should just pound the rock and sprinkle in a few opportune passes – not the other way around. Three, I am curious to see how our secondary plays against the BU style offense. I expect Tulsa to have some success, but not win the game. I just want to see sound coverage against the pass. This will be a glorified and televised scrimmage in essence. I want to see better discipline with assignments on both sides of the ball.

  • John Garner says:

    I will watch one thing: the O-Line. After the 4th quarter uprising last week, I think everything else is or will be ready and working.

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    they will throw deep to Garrett & Lucas early & often.. Safeties will be stressed this week..

  • Mizuno44 says:

    I was a critical of JY’s O-Line assessment after the Akron game, but admittedly I’m no expert, and JY is exactly that. I made some comments and was beat up nicely by fellow brainiacs, and rightly so. With that said, I’m now in the concerned camp, and realize more now just how good our O-Line was last year. The running lanes are clearly not there, yet, and D-Line penetration is obviously a real problem already. Explains why we can’t find rhythm offensively, so hopefully we can improve before conference play.

    • SoonerOracle737 says:

      I assumed JY took it easy on the Trench Warfare assessment to not stir up trouble. And I’m sure he doesn’t like to be too critical of the young men out there working hard. But I too was surprised it was a mostly positive article versus the scathing review at another site with video proof of what a mess it was. I think the world of JY and TFB so I don’t want to be critical of their (my perceived) lack of constructive criticism. But I think the Trench Warfare analysis just didn’t tell the whole story. IMHO. But I am just an IT geek, so what do I know? 🙂

      • Bob Edwards says:

        Well I think a lot of it depends on why they were bad. In this case most of the problems appear to be youth related and not talent or scheme. So what’s the answer to being young? Grow up. Unfortunately, anyone who has been around teenagers much knows that growing up can be a painful messy process. I think the players we have are talented and know what to do, they are just having trouble getting it right every time in front of thousands of people.

        • SoonerOracle737 says:

          True. It was a tough environment to play in even as an experienced veteran. Credit should be given to them for that. On a positive note, there were plays where we had assignment busts but Baker or someone else still managed to get positive yards. It didn’t take perfection for the offense to get yards. I was encouraged by that.

    • soonermusic says:

      I think sometimes the holes were there, and other issues, including timing in the backfield, messed things up. I know they have to make huge improvement, but I don’t think the run blocking was quite as dismal as some.

    • Rick says:

      Two contributing factors (stating the obvious, preaching to the choir, etc.) inexperience as Bob has so elequently explained and 114 decibels. Loudest ever crowd noise. O-line communicate primarily by sound, then to sight, can’t hear the audibles, snap count etc. IMHO the Tennessee fans were an effective 12th player. Beyond that, stick with JY, he’s the man.

  • rphokc says:

    ot, last note on tenn……….toby rowland related a humorous story a listener passed to him…….the fan was in moore stopped at a red light with all the other motorists waiting …….sanchez gets the oskie and suddenly there’s a crescendo of car horns going off and people getting out of their cars, running around and high-fiving the other motorists…….fun story and stoops had a good laugh

  • j l says:

    I think theres a very real chance that we have already seen the toughest D line we will see all year, 2 5 star and 2 4 stars on the vols line.
    Baylor’s is good, but id take barnett over oakman any day. billings is pretty good, but tuttle/mckenzie are as well. Maggitt(till he got hurt), is far and away better than baylors other end.

  • DCinAZ says:

    I’ve never concerned myself with “trap games” because, unless my memory is faulty, I’ve never seen one of Bob’s teams succumb to a trap game.

    I agree that Jordan Thomas seems to be a little off in his coverage so far and that will show up on tape, so I expect Tulsa to attack him early and often vs. Sanchez. Ahmad Thomas has looked improved so far and Parker has been night and day different over last season. I want to see Byrd and Jordan Thomas play well against Tulsa before I sign on to this defense.

    • ouwooferman says:

      Boise State. TCU in 2005, CU 2007 Might also include TTU in 2005, 2007

      • DCinAZ says:

        Boise State wasn’t a trap game. We didn’t play TCU in 2003.

        • j l says:

          TCU in 05 he probably means. And it was.

          • DCinAZ says:

            Not sure why people think TCU in 05 was a trap game. We had an entirely new Oline and an entirely new freshmen QB with TCU coming in the first game of the season.

            A trap game is a lesser opponent sandwiched in between two better opponents that is good enough to beat you if you overlook them.

          • j l says:

            We overlooked an unheralded and unranked opponent, and lost because of it. Pretty much the definition of a trap game IMO.

            it dosent have to be in between 2 games to be a trap.

            We just completed an undefeated regular season, had one of the best backs in CFB history, and still had a strong defense. We had no business losing that game.

          • Eric Hoffpauir says:

            We just weren’t all that great in 2005. Our line was new and TCU was able to stack up against the run and dare us to throw it (spoiler alert: we couldn’t.)

          • j l says:

            Good enough to beat #6 in a bowl game lol.

          • Eric Hoffpauir says:

            Yeah, turns out the OL can improve over the course of the season with some actual game experience.

          • j l says:

            I don’t think we lose to tcu had we taken them seriously. I think after railroading our schedule the year before, with ad returning, we figured we would roll our opening week opponent. Oops.
            Hence trap game

          • Scott Moore says:

            I agree with Eric and DC. TCU was not a trap game for the team. More like a trap game for the fans. I know I walked out of that stadium pretty discouraged and wondering if we would ever generate any offense that year. TCU was not really under the radar at that point. They had recently beaten USC in a bowl game as I recollect. But has fans, we expected OU to beat them at home. Especially the opener.

          • j l says:

            Tcu was a 25 point underdog in that game…..25 points!!!!

            Gary Patterson is on record saying we win 9 times out of 10.

            I stand by my assessment.

          • j l says:

            And we didnt start the freshman, we started the junior.

    • boomersooner says:

      Yeah its not really a trap unless all the boys have a trip planned on the bye

  • Bob Edwards says:

    There has been a lot of discussion on the O-Line I made this post on the daily news thread but am reposting it here because most won’t see it.

    OK here are Patton/Kittle’s last three signing classes. NWT = Not with Team

    2011
    Dylan Dismuk OT NWT
    Derek Farniok OT

    2012
    John Michael McGee OG NWT
    Ty Darlington OC
    Will Latu OT JC NWT
    Kyle Marrs OT NWT

    2013
    Josiah St John OT JC
    Christian Daimler OT
    Dionte Savage OG JC Graduated

    Note: Nila Kasitati signed in 2011 as a TE

    So in three years they signed six high school players of which four are no longer with the team. One more if you count Nila who was recruited as a TE. Even if they stuck that is only two players per class. That’s not enough to keep your O-line full.

    • SamSooner says:

      Bob, thanks. That puts things in perspective.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        Yep I always believe in evaluating someone based on what they have to work with. Sometimes guys can do a great job even though they are in a crappy situation. Other times they are living high because they are living off other people’s money.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Nice post Bob. Thanks

    • Jofield says:

      Also keep in mind that with better depth back in 2012 Ty Darlington probably redshirts and gives us one more year of a quality (even if not spectacular) Center. The depth deficiencies on this team were masked by the quality starters of the last two years.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        Yep, now that those classes are hitting their JR and Sr years the holes are starting to become apparent. BB is having to start several before their time and we are seeing that in the high level of mistakes. You can mask one young guy when everyone else is solid, but you can’t when half your squad is that way.

        • j l says:

          even worse when basically all your backups are underclassmen too.

          phil steele had us next to last in returning o line starts.

      • rphokc says:

        if I recall correctly, darlington got put in a game by mistake which ruined his redshirt yr………barely played and lost a yr

    • SoonerOracle737 says:

      Wow. That explains a lot.

    • @Boom_Town_ says:

      Yep. Kittle & Patton were awful. Players were very thankful that Jon Cooper was on staff because Kittle/Patton didn’t know wtf they were doing. So, when one of them (can’t remember) “left Oklahoma” and joined Indiana, I was cool with that. I’m just daydreaming an OU OL full of Bedenbaugh’s guys. It makes me so happy. Coach B is starting to get depth, the OL should be really nasty in a couple of years.

    • Rick says:

      Bob, I did some tracking on the web of your NWT list, which was equally telling. Dismuke had a career ending injury at OU, McGee decided he didn’t like football, doesn’t play anywhere anymore, Latu was in the Arena FL, Kyle Marrs is getting a re-start this year at U of Houston. IMHO, totally reinforced my opinion of your findings.

    • Krys Allen says:

      Who recruited the most recent 2-3 years of linemen that went to the NFL?

      • Bob Edwards says:

        Those would actually be Patton. Though interestingly they were with Wilson as the OC. Not sure if that means anything but it is interesting. I believe Wilson was the OL coach before he became the OC. Might suggest that he was responsible for the good recruiting.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Pretty freaking bad. Right up there with Norvell’s WR recruiting and results.

    • hemisooner says:

      That’s bad

  • Tipman says:

    Any official visitors this weekend?

  • JJSoona says:

    Any news on Alex Ross? I agree that TU will test the secondary IF he has time. Their o-line hasn’t faced a front 7 like they will see this weekend. 🙂

  • soonermusic says:

    All good points, Jordan. I expect, if the past couple of years are any indication, that the offense will light it up. In spite of so many folks criticizing Ty and Nila’s play, weren’t they selected by the coaches as offensive players of the game? I saw the same whiffs that everyone else did, so I’m wondering what that’s all about. With the Baylor style offense coming at us for the first time this season, I’ll be eager to see how successful the D will be in matching up.

  • JB says:

    I still say the key to stopping this offense would be to run the same kind of front we ran against Tennessee with Bond & Striker on the field and attacking the QB every down. It will require a lot of man coverage, but just loading the field with more DBs and reacting to what the QB does has shown over and over again that it is not the answer. Go back and watch the Bsylor-WVU game from last season. It’s hard for a QB to complete passes from his back. And having a 5 man front will also help contain the running aspect of that offense.

    • MrBigsby says:

      I’d like to see some of that mixed in for sure.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      the key to stopping any offense is the DL, and maybe just maybe OU has a good one this year

      • EasTex says:

        The DL this year is an attacking front, unlike last year’s read and contain.
        I have always believed in the expression “if you aren’t attacking you are being attacked.”

        • DCinAZ says:

          Agree completely. This Dline is far better, more physical, and more aggressive than last year’s IMO. They all appear to be playing well and contributing.
          I dunno where this talk about Walker being a disappointment is coming from from insiders on sports talk radio but that’s sure as hell not what I see. Walker has been a beast and all he does is destroy whomever is in front of him and blow up play after play. That’s what I see.

          • EasTex says:

            The DL was asked to do something entirely different last year than they are this year. Last year they were very effective at stopping the run, but not disrupting the pass. This year they have been unleashed.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            But in the B-12 we should certainly stop the run first. /s

          • EasTex says:

            Don’t ask me to explain it, just glad they are in attack mode now.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            It’s a lot more fun to attack.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            The opposing offenses will take care of that for OU’s defense…

            https://media.giphy.com/media/1gArwncRlXac8GIhNy8/giphy.gif

          • DCinAZ says:

            I know. I get the differences between 2 gap and 1 gap. I guess what I’m referring to is there were several times last year they appeared to not be giving much effort and playing lazy. I think a couple of them mentioned they didn’t play at maximum output last year after they graduated.

          • EasTex says:

            In the case of Walker, he missed five games after Tulsa last year and was never really a factor. That he is playing at such a high level in an attacking front doesn’t surprise me. Same for Jordan Wade, he is playing like a grown man this year. I don’t think playing a two gap NG was his best position.

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          and thats why an undersized Dimon won a starting job because he is able to penetrate

          • EasTex says:

            Absotively…posilutely.

          • Recondo says:

            Dimon seemed indecisive in the first half last week. He gets to his spot but appeared lost on a few big runs against Tenn. A little coaching should fix that but he appeared the weak link along the DL to me.

        • ouwooferman says:

          Ricky Bobby? No wait, that was If you aren’t first your last. JHF>

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        Exactly. What slowed/stopped Brady? Giants front four.

  • Boomer4life says:

    I will hopefully be watching more rhythm in the offense…..Hopefully!

  • Daryl says:

    SO I have a question that I am afraid everyone will shoot me for asking. We all agree that our Oline is a weak point on the team. Now with a high probability of Ty and Nila not playing it would seem that the situation is even more bleak. Now I want to say the line is young and so they are just going to get better over time buuuuuuuuut…..

    Could it be that this means that our recruiting at OL has not been very fruitful. The more I think about tex tech and wvu I don’t remember either one having a very dominant line while coach B was there. Now granted recruuiting to wv and tech is much more difficult than OU but still. Why are we so weak on the line? I wan to say that is because of youth, but could it also be our recruiting?

    Just a question. I like coach B and hear nothing but great things I just don’t understand how after 3 years of being here we are this thin at OL. I really want to say youth.

  • Borba22 says:

    Hopefully we can finally get the running game going, get those guys some confidence before conference play.

  • Rick says:

    This is nothing new, just a different angle on the game last w/e. Thought some of you might enjoy it.

    http://www.soonersports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=4407105&db_oem_id=31000

  • Eric Hoffpauir says:

    OT, but Jim Ross is apparently picking games now for Fox Sports. He’s picking Cal over Texas, as is everyone else at Fox.

    http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/notre-dame-georgia-tech-florida-state-alabama-lsu-auburn-texas-usc-week-3-picks-091715

  • Maverick says:

    I hope we go back to the basics a bit in this game on offense. Let the OL maul them in a simple downhill scheme. Take the easy quick throws in the passing game. If we start slow this week, they have a punchers chance to be up more than 17.

    How many do we need to win by before we all feel like this team could be special? I’m going to say by 35. Spread is 30.

  • codaeb1 . says:

    Golden Hurricane*, not Hurricanes. Just fyi!

  • Robertson / Robertson 2016 says:

    Big hits. Ahmad and Byrd, though they’ve struggled in coverage, can really lay the wood when given the chance. The chances for them should be plenty this Saturday.

    That and Byrd looks like a fuh-reak in and out of pads.

  • RBear says:

    Mid-Week prediction thread.

    I know there’s going to be adjustments to your predictions as the week unfolds but let’s all go out on that mid-week limb and throw some predictions out there.

    OU 48
    TU 31 (some late points here)

  • RBear says:

    OT but pretty cool stuff for some future Sooners:

    https://twitter.com/RyanHeld2/status/644624916936019968

  • EasTex says:

    Viewing reminder.
    2016 DB commit Chanse Sylvie’s team Calvary Baptist plays at 7p.m.CST on some Fox Sports channels against a good Byrd high team.

  • codaeb1 . says:

    Lol either way, TU has a horrible mascot. Hard to depict a hurricane

  • Tim A says:

    Sure hope no one is taking this game lightly.

    • RBear says:

      That’s what I’ve been preaching- I doubt very seriously that LR would allow that in his debut season though- they haven’t even run the entire playbook yet.

      • EasTex says:

        Or used much up tempo, which only works when the offense is a cohesive unit.

        • RBear says:

          Agree- I think the one thing I’m going to like about Riley the most is how innovative he’ll prove to be. The multiple things he can do from the same formations should be entertaining.

          • Doobie74OU says:

            Have to love that LR has already showed the ability to go with what is working. Over the past couple years we had no flexibility in our play calling and I don’t think that will be a problem with this guy!

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