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I don’t know about the rest of you, but if I never read another ‘Can Trevor Knight Live Up To The Sugar Bowl Hype?’ type article again it will be too soon. There was another one out just today from Grantland as though they were going to offer us some fresh new #HotSportsTake on the already beaten into the ground topic. It’s been written about over and over and over and over again ever since that night in early January.
Well, today was the last one I’m ever going to read. I’m making a promise to myself and all of you. Instead I’ll just wait until the season starts and all these same writers, be it national or local, start second guessing Knight about some other thing/s he did or didn’t do. But back to these “hype” articles, in all those that I’ve read — and I, much like you I presume, have read way too many of them — you know what I never see referenced?
Josh Heupel’s track record of developing quarterbacks.
There are plenty of references to Knight’s early struggles last year, all the while ignoring (in most cases) that he was a redshirt freshman making his first two career starts. But you never see a reference to how Heupel took a converted wide receiver and help mold him into a Big 12 Championship winning quarterback. Much like you never see a reference to the jump Sam Bradford made from his freshman to sophomore season which saw him throw for nearly 1,600 more yards and 50 TDs (compared to 36 as a freshman). Or a reference to how Landry Jones made a similar type of jump statistically going from 3,198-26/14-58% as his first year to 4,718-38/12-65% in his second.
No before you say it, let me do it for you. Yes, Paul Thompson has AD. And, yes, Bradford was freaky accurate. And, yes, we’re all familiar with Bad Landry. But the inarguable fact remains every single quarterback under the tutelage of Josh Heupel has made positive strides from year-to-year. The only expectation here should be for Knight to do the exact same. And with a now approaching nine year track record coaching the quarterbacks in Norman, I’m not sure why anyone would question Heupel’s ability to help Knight make that second year jump.
Again, Knight is a guy entering his second season in which he’ll actually see the field and on August 30th be starting the sixth game of his career and playing just his ninth. Yes, in some ways he’s a victim of his own success that night in New Orleans. But if the media is looking for someone to blame as to why, seemingly in their eyes based on the umpteen hundreds of different ways they’ve written a slightly different version of the exact same article all spring/summer, Trevor Knight is undeserving of said ‘hype’, then they should probably look in the mirror.
Trevor Knight wasn’t the one putting himself on preseason Heisman lists. Trevor Knight wasn’t the one putting himself on the cover of Sports Illustrated. By all accounts all Trevor Knight has been doing since the Sugar Bowl is working to live up to the hype that has been bestowed upon him.
If we’re going to hold Knight to a different standard than every other second year quarterback in the country because he had a fantastic bowl game, then I suppose that’s one way to go about things. Seems a little harsh, but then again I’m just a simpleminded fan.
Look, I can’t sit here and tell you Trevor Knight is going to be the next great Oklahoma quarterback. But what I can tell you is I trust in the near decade long track record of developing quarterbacks of the guy that’s going to play a significant role in whether or not Knight does become that next great one.
So the next time you want to write one of these “hype” articles on Trevor Knight, you might want toss in the occasional reference to one of the top quarterback coaches in the country. I won’t read it, because I’ve made a promise I intend to keep, but at least it will show those who do you actually know what you’re talking about.
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Amen!
Preach it Jordan!….something I’d like to add…TK will be getting more first string snaps rather than splitting them with Blake..I assume that’s what happened leading up to the Sugar as well..coach decided on a starter and they went with prep…might have something to do with his performance as well
Where’s the like button for the article?
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There is a “favorite” button above next to the top part of the comments on the right
LOL I was joking, I didn’t really think there was one. Awesome. 1 Favorite from this guy coming up.
Trevor Knight made the cover of SI? Awesome. I guess I need to get out a little more often.
http://twitter.com/TheGreat_Nate/status/499574702416072706/photo/1
Where have you been? I have missed reading your comments.
I’ve missed hanging out with everybody, no doubt. I got busy with things around the time of the Sugar Bowl and just haven’t been able to catch up. My hope/goal is to have EVERYTHING in order by August 28th so I can get out of town and start tailgating on Friday the 29th! After that I’ll be on college football cruise control thru January!
Yes, if you would get out a little more often… Lol.
funny!
Dude you like totally fell of the grid. What happened?
I know, it’s terrible. I do try to come on the site once a day, but I haven’t had the time to engage anyone. I’m the guy whose been leaving all the “Guest Votes”, haha!
Lol
Trevor will be fine. Sometimes you just see a certain demeanor in the great ones. I saw this in Michael Jordan, Adrian Peterson, Sam Bradford, and now I see it in Trevor.
Jordan…spot on! We’re 100% behind you. The same media is saying how Bama will be fine with a back-up QB who just transferred in and has never taken a snap in a Tide uniform and has them higher than OU with more losses at key positions. Keep counting them out, and they’ll keep proving you wrong is what the Sooners have always done.
I think I said this the first time but his spring game is worrisome. He again failed to complete even 50% of his passes while Mayfield and Hansen both looked better on the day throwing the ball. The Sugar Bowl being such an abberation has to be a worry to any Oklahoma fan.
Now that’s not to say he can’t be that good and better every game this season, but it is ignoring the reality of what he has shown to date to think it is just a given that he will.
Oh yes, the spring game is an indicator of season performance.
Yeah, Bradford was picked off more in the 2008 game than during the regular season. Only slightly exaggerating.
Is one game an indication? Because outside the Sugar Bowl this discussion of who Trevor Knight is as a quarterback becomes very different.
Good grief Paul did you even read the article
no disrespect but a hands off scrimmage is entirely different from game experience
I’d be more worried if Trevor Knight had done good, seeing as how he was up against the 1st String Defense who knows every play. Don’t read too much into Spring game performances, lots of players (QBs especially) look good or bad and it usually means nothing. Sam Bradford wasn’t good in his spring game, either.
From what I remember of the Blake days, we always looked great in the spring game. Not so much in the regular season. You never know what the coaches are trying to accomplish in a spring game. They are more trying to test the players in various situations that playing to win a game. A QB that has the basics down may get put into tougher situations, while the new ones are just asked to run the basic offense against a basic defense.
I don’t recall Bradford or White ever looking good in a spring game and they both won Heismans.
I get what you all are saying about Sam’s spring game following his first year starting, but for the sake of reality let’s compare apples to apples.
Sam started 14 games, completed 69.5% of his passes for 3121 yards along with 36 TD’s and 8 int’s.
Trevor played in 8 games, completed 59% of his passes for 819 yards along with 9 TD’s and 5 int’s.
And of his numbers he threw for 348 yards and 4 TD’s in just the Alabama game.
If you can’t see the difference between the two and can’t see how people may see the Alabama game as an abberration than we don’t need to continue the conversation because you aren’t living in this reality.
Post of the year…..
stop
Nice Job Jordan. In fact, you just instantly gave me more confidence in Trevor just by helping me realize that Heupal is a primary source of his advancement.
gracias
Slight off topic, but a question I’ve been thinking about a little since the season is rapidly approaching. How will Heupel be as a play caller this season? Of course, we’ll find out for sure before too long, but he’s in a similar situation as OC as Knight is at QB. He was pedestrian for much of the season, and at times was very frustrating, then has a genius Sugar Bowl. Has he progressed to his Sugar Bowl self, or was that an anomaly? Curious to hear TFB’s thoughts on this.
My confidence in Heupel as a play-caller is not on the same level as a QB coach. He got a lot better last year IMO and I very much hope that continues into 2014.
Agreed. We’ve seen some real clunkers called by Heupel with an experienced Landry Jones at QB, ala the oSu game in 2011. Even Bob was chastising him for his poor play selection. Last year, especially by the end of the season, I think we saw a major development in Heupel as a coach, and it wasn’t just the improved play of Knight in the Sugar Bowl.
If Knight continues to play like he did in the Sugar Bowl, Heupel will seem like a genius at play calling. I don’t think it was a coincidence that Heupel looked better when Knight played better. Knight gives Heupel more options because of his better play making ability. Bell, as great as a competitor as he is, had more limitations as a QB than Knight. That made it harder for Heupel to game plan against better defenses.
I think if you listen to the coaches it is very clear that they are much more comfortable with this offense as compared to last year. I am by no means a Coach Heupel apologist but I think the instability at QB combined with the shift to a very different offense made things less than ideal last year.
Great play from players make coaches look great. Coaching cannot make a player play great. Lot’s of the problems with our offense at times last year was just poor execution. If our players execute this year the sky is the limit.
So when they don’t execute, who is to blame for it? The coach!
Players who perform well in games can make a coach look good, but a good coach can make average players perform better. One need only look at Manhattan, KS for proof of that nearly every year. You can give Snyder 22 undisciplined, average players and he’ll get the maximum ability they have to offer on the field, combined with a disciplined/low-error performance on the field.
Coaching and players making plays form a symbiotic relationship. To win at the highest levels, you need great coaching and great playmaking ability. You see guys like Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll, Nick Saban, Jimbo Fisher, Steve Spurrier, Tom Osborne, Barry Switzer, Gene Stallings, etc., hoisting national championship trophies. You don’t see the R.C. Slocums, the Randy Edsalls, the Todd Grahams, the Mike Gundys, the Dan Mullens of the world holding them.
I think Heupel has been underrated on both counts, as a play caller as well as a qb developer. Last year he was having to game plan around injuries and serious difficulties with execution. We’ll see how the season plays out, but I think when he’s given the tools to work with, he will be remarkable.
Lets just get this out of the way. If he calls a running play and it fails, HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED A PASS PLAY! If he calls a pass play and it fails, HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED A RUNNING PLAY! I am a genius and know stuff.
Nailed it!
I have always thought Heupel was a great QB coach, probably even elite. As an OC, he hasn’t showed me much that makes me think he can be anything other than an average OC. Sure there is the Sugar Bowl, but take out that game and you see an offense that struggled most of the season. And the Baylor game, my contention since the night of the game is that had we had better playcalling, the outcome probably would have been very different, just reference the article here on TFB, and they put it a lot nicer than what I would have.
Now is Heupel to blame for all our struggles and woes on the offensive side of the ball, well, Yes and no. Sure there are injuries, but every team has injuries. Not to say he can be completely prepared for everything we lost last year, but most was not offensively, outside Millard who is obviously great but still, you can’t hinge everything upon one player. I am not calling for Josh Heupel’s head, but I think he has shown me nothing more than being an average OC and an elite QB coach. Lets not over hype Heupel just like we don’t want to over hype Trevor.
they just showed bamas quarterback on ESPN he could not throw a football into a trash can 20 feet
away….Trevor knight swished a football thru a basketball hoop from the upper deck at Lloyd noble….
Just saying….
Great post!!
thank you
You gotta love how it’s the same writers who create the “hype” that are now turning around and asking if Trevor can live up to it.
Plus that was his third post today! Jordan, you’re spoiling us…
The article that REALLY needs to be written Esco, and I think you are just the guy to do it, is if Bob Stoops will be staying in Norman or will he be lured away to Cleveland, Notre Dame, Florida, Ohio State, Denver, Dallas, etc…. Now that would be the cutting edge, breaking news journalism that could put you on the short list for the Pulitzer!
I think the guy you’re looking for on this is Dean Blevins π
I greatly resemble that remark
-D. Blevins
I predict at 82.6 % that you just gave Dean Blevins his next great story.
I predict at 82.6 % that you just gave Dean Blevins his next great story.
Dean was, and still is, #2.
yea but i bet he got a lot of women
So
Jordan is correct and I’ve been making the same argument with these flacks on message boards. Since when has ANY QB taken a step backwards under Stoops? And also, can Knight pull off that transformation in a month? Sure….but he was showing signs of getting more comfortable before the Sugar Bowl. As for the Manziel comparisons, well……..yeah. He sure looks like it only he’s faster and makes it look easier. As for Alabama’s vaunted defense……..only two QB’s have embarrassed their defense. Manziel and Knight, who happen to resemble each other quite a bit on the field. Is that a sign of some sort of miracle or is it evidence that Alabama’s defense has a fatal weakness with mobile QB’s that can run and throw? I think it’s the latter. Alabama’s defense is built to defend QB’s that spend most of their time handing off and passing from the pocket only, and sparingly at that. The bloom is off the rose for their defense, and every team in the SEC that has any sort of brains should be recruiting dual threat QB’s only.
YES! And don’t forget the unwavering certainty of Coach Stoops (and the rest of them as well) that he was the best and would be the starter and that it really “wasn’t even close” That was when the coaches took a lot of grief and many fans had so much angst about them not picking Bell, and Trevor had injuries and some interceptions in the first few games. But we DO know this much already this season before we have even played a game; Trevor Knight is a born leader, he is obviously bigger (and probably stronger) then last year, and he is a very moral and dedicated young man for his age. Sounds like a winner to me.
Notice you never see a “Can Derrick Henry live up to the hype?” Article…
Or a “can Alabama’s untested new QB live up to any hype”?
+1000
And yet another great point!
My thoughts on Trevor……this is a classic symbiotic relationship.
Both(He and Coach) benefited greatly from the bowl practices and extra time. Trevor’s “light” just came on. He “got” it and coupled with his athleticism, he excelled. I understand good days and bad days but you could just tell from his release and ball trajectory that he had progressed by leaps and bounds. As the game went on, his confidence grew. His throws were ON time and on the money. He felt less of a need to scramble downfield and grew more confident in the pocket. That is huge beyond description.
Jordan, I’m on this train with you. GREAT read!!
Is it ok to post opinions that TK needs to improve on his read progression/defensive recognition? And we’ve yet to see consistency, save for one game. Don’t get me wrong – I think the world of TK. But can’t we at least recognize his challenges?
This “One good game” myth is getting out of hand. Trevor played well at K-State and also Iowa State before the Sugar bowl.
He played a great game at Kansas State, on the road in the cold. One of the better road efforts for a Sooner QB on the road against a good team.
What other QB beat K – State during that stretch? They were playing really well, and he went into their house and took it to them.
One outstanding game. Big difference between good and outstanding.
absolutely. none of what I’ve said is to suggest Knight’s game has no areas for improvement. far from it in fact. simply that he’s working to improve them with one of the best at what he does in the country.
*drops mic*
Well, good then. We are close to being on same page. Although, I don’t put much credence into what National Media says about almost anything. They are too far removed from what they write about, and there are agenda$ to be catered to. You have to sell copies to stay employed, if you get my drift…
Jordan, You alluded to Paul Thompson. One of my favorite highlights in OU history. The “drive”. 99 yards………https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TLD2VmMI00&list=PLB09DEC4BA9E7F726&index=72
Thanks for throwing this up. Great stuff!
On the very first play, check the lane just one hole to the left of where Chris Brown got “stuffed”. Brown breaks that big if he hits the hole. He just missed it. But the OL get’s blamed.
I guess people are afraid that Trevor Knight will magically forget how to throw a forward pass after the Alabama game. He was possessed by the ghost of college football to take down the evil Alabama empire. He will return to his first game of his career.
I guess people are afraid that Trevor Knight will magically forget how to throw a forward pass after the Alabama game. He was possessed by the ghost of college football to take down the evil Alabama empire. He will return to his first game of his career.
Trevor impressed the coaching staff before season even started last year then impressed the nation in the Sugar bowl, I don’t need any writers telling me anything about how good he may or may not be. He’s proven his worth to me already.
This almost exactly matches my thoughts on the subject. I am also really tired of the same articles noting he was benched early for performance without accurately noting the injury that was sustained.
On a side note…if you haven’t seen Knight …he’s solid muscle…huge arms. Dudes buff. Oh and BTW. He’s 5 and 0 as a starter…
He won’t “live up to the hype” unless he stays healthy. Here’s hoping he can stay on the field all year, because with him OU is a scary good team.
Excellent point!
Great article, great point! Not sure pointing out facts and trends will help with the flavor of the month media, though. Critical thinking will not be allowed, nor tolerated.
Excellent article Jordan,
I guess people are afraid that Trevor Knight will magically forget how
to throw a forward pass after the Alabama game. He was possessed by the
ghost of college football to take down the evil Alabama empire. He will
return to playing like the first game of his career.
As good of a game that Trevor had in the Sugar Bowl, there were several throws that were a little off target. Could have had much more yardage and a couple more touchdowns. His first interception is exhibit #1.
Sounds like Peyton Manning. He throws a little off target at times too. Luckily no quarterback has ever been perfect, and none of them ever will be, so you can rest a little easier tonight.
I guess I was saying that because of all the hype the media has put on him. Almost sounding like they don’t think he can play any better than he did in the Sugar Bowl (so can he live up to that?). So with that, as good as he played there is still plenty of room for improvement and I know under Huepel’s teaching he will improve greatly!! He has just scratched the surface of his potential. My second exhibit is a wheel route on the left sideline to Shepard. We were down around the 15-20 yard line or so. Shepard easily beat his man but Trevor over through him, throwing the ball out of bounds. Had he led him out front he would have walked in for 6.
So you’re saying he could be even better this season?
I watched ESPNU this morning and the panel was trying to forecast the new playoff pairings. Danny Kanell said he reevaluated Trevor Knight and the Sugar Bowl was really his only good game last season. So Danny is not convinced that there should be any hype. He also thinks that with the Frank Shannon suspension Oklahoma won’t even win the conference. Baylor will be conference champs but, since the Big 12 doesn’t have a championship game, they will miss out on the playoffs entirely. The other panelists towed the SEC line of course, and declared that they will qualify 2 teams.
Good lord that gets so boring listening to those whacks. How about having some originality instead of smearing the same old fodder for corporate’ sake? On a different, but similar note, I’m damn sick of ESPNU and ESPN Classic only showing SEC games. I’m just glad i have all the OU games from last year on DVR to get my fix. I’m going to have to cancel my sports package from Cox because of that nonsense.
Huff99 on YouTube…check it out. Just about every game you’ll need to get your fix!
Huff99 is a complete legend!
Totally agree! He and HolaKyle both!
See Huff99 now also has a Huff100 moniker…Wonder how long before he can put up the LA tech game!
I’m calling this right now: There will be a very strong push for 2 SEC teams in the playoff this year. It will be discussed 24/7 and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens. ESPN steers the CFB debate so much that if they discuss it 24/7….it very well could happen.
Totally agree….they will try to push for this. It’s sickening to watch these clowns anymore. Their groveling and fawning over the SEC, and Bama in particular, is so cartoonish and undignified it’s just plain embarrassing. Every time I watch these sycophants I feel like I need to bathe.
I think I have to disagree with you! I think by November they will just be acting like it is a matter of fact that the SEC will get two teams in and the will have moved on to argueing that they probably deserve 3 teams!
I have said that since it was announced. I believe it will be Big 10 champs even though conference is terrible they love michigan and Ohio State being in it. Then FSU and 2 SEC schools. It will happen. For example do you think last year a panel would have left left Bama out of playoff. No Way! Auburn and Bama would have been in no doubt!
I agree with you on FSU, but I think a strong showing by Oregon or Stanford will keep the second SEC team out. The SEC is the only conference with an automatic qualifier, so the Big10 and Big12 will be battling for the 4th entry. I don’t understand how all of the sports pundits discount playing ALL of the conference opponents as Oklahoma does now. Can you imagine if we had an undefeated season WITHOUT playing Baylor and Texsa?! Oklahoma would be crucified by the media and STILL miss the playoffs!
Jordan, I think you’re confused. According to an ESPN article this morning, Heuple had nothing to do with any of the success of quarterbacks at OU. Clearly, that was all Sumlin, the QB guru. Since he’s no longer at OU, he can’t use his wizarding ways to transform Knight into another Manziel. Allen, on the other hand, will be even better than Manziel and A&M won’t have a drop off whatsoever on offense.
Hope the sarcasm was clear enough there, lol. But there was a fairly long article giving Sumlin credit for developing all of these quarterbacks (many of whom I’ve not heard of). And of course, Bradford and White got 2 sentences mentioning their talent, while Case Keenum and 2 other guys I haven’t heard of got multiple paragraph sections devoted to them.
He wasn’t even a QB coach was he? I thought he was a receivers coach. ESPN is such a joke!
And he didn’t even bring in Manziel…Jonny Football was a leftover from the previous coach.
No kidding. But they’re giving him credit as a QB guru anyway, while giving more words to Case freeking Keenum than White and Bradford combined.
Are you trying to tell me that eSECpn wrote a pro-SEC article blatantly discredating any other conferences. GET OUT OF TOWN! I JUST CAN”T AND DON”T BELIEVE IT!
well said as usual, jordan. let’s just shut the hell up and PLAY BALL!!
Good chance they’ve been talking about “Travis” Knight.. Don’t think I’ve heard them say Trevor once since the sugar bowl…
The coaches didn’t choose TK as their # 1 Q coming out out of camp last year for nothing. And Bell didn’t move to TE because he was tried of being the “man”. TK has an electric arm and is a heck athlete.
And he will be the unquestioned leader of the offense for the first time as a starter.
When Coach Stoops went for it on 4th and 1 in the 2nd qtr, made it, then called for a bomb to Saunders for the TD on 1st down it was not only exciting, but also seemed familiar.
Now I remember, with video proof, how familiar it actually was and it was against Bama.
You have to have confidence in your QB and offense to make and execute plays like this.
I haven’t read any of them. I wouldn’t have read this one except TFB is a site to be trusted!
Trevor Knight is currently the starting OU QB. Hype, no hype, that is what the reality is. No one knows for sure what is going to happen and that is a big part of the excitement of CFB.
Outstanding article!
Jordan I totally agree! So tired of all those type articles. Josh Heupel has put great QB’s on t he feild at OU during his whole tenure a QB Coach. Didn’t have time to read below but I would also say that his maturation as a game planner and play caller over the second half of last year can not be overlooked. The Sugar Bowl was one of the first games that it looked like we actually game planned toward somebodies weaknesses. Josh Heupul has developed into a fine all around Offensive Coordinator but he has ALWAYS been a great QB Coach! Great Article!
You act like a writer or somethin!
I guess you could say they shouldn’t write a hype article without “Hype”-el!
Haven’t read any, especially due to some non-stop message board off season threads….endless….with mind numbing arguing about who & what he is.
I tuned it all out about 3-months ago.
Word out of the second scrimmage makes it sound like the writers of these articles will be eating big, nasty crow come football time (haters gotta eat too)