Open Post | Wednesday, Jul. 15th (UPDATE 11:42 am)

Shurod Thompson: Yesterday, 2016 safety Shurod Thompson Jr. (Brentwood, Calif.) announced that he will visit Oklahoma on October 3rd for the West Virginia game (same weekend that DeMarkus Acy has an official visit already set as well). Thompson had also previously released a Top 7 which included: Oklahoma, Arizona State, Boise State, Colorado, Oregon State, UCLA & Utah.

I asked Thompson about his interest in Oklahoma and he told me that it stems from his relationship with Kerry Cooks. The two have been speaking for some time with their relationship first coming to fruition during Cooks’ time at Notre Dame.

I had the chance to review some of Thompson’s film, and he looks like a pretty nice prospect. He doesn’t appear to have made a huge jump between his sophomore and junior season, although this tape from both was quality, but it does make me want to find out a little bit more with respect to his developmental background (something I forgot to ask him about last night). He has good versatility in that he plays pretty well over the slot and does a nice job closing space in center field. He transitions a bit high, which makes him look a little slow out of his breaks at times, but there is enough COD at WR to give you a sense the flexibility is there, and he’s light enough on his feet.

I really like his downhill speed, but I think perhaps the most redeeming quality about him are his eyes. I like to make a mental note of false steps and when a safety or LB should see what’s happening, versus when he actually sees what’s happening. And Thompson is seeing the field well, which puts him in position to make plays. At one point on his film he reads his key right, precisely when he should have, and mirrors the running back perfectly as he weaves in-and-out of the trash and closes on time. Close too early and you’re going to miss. Close too late and you’re going to miss. But Thompson was right on time.

He also does a really good job of eyeing the QB on a roll out, or a PA, and still feeling his zone. Eyes are critical at the safety position, and he looks to have a good set. He may not have identical traits (elite speed, that first downhill step, or the bone jarring power) of some other top safety prospects — someone like Arnold Azunna (Mansfield, TX) for instance — but he’s a true safety prospect who sees the field well, is a plus athlete, with strength in all phases of the game.

Again, it will just come down to whether he’s one of the guys that’s going to sit in the Everest Center on a Friday night doing transition work to refine his craft. And that’s not a question I can answer. – (Super K)

Tramonda Moore and Justin Broiles: In a little OK Preps news, most of you may have already noted that 2016 OU offensive line target, Tramonda Moore picked up an Alabama offer after camping with the Tide earlier this week. This may come as a surprise to most but it really shouldn’t in that there is no denying Moore’s elite size and athleticism. Like most young prospects, what he can eventually be will depend on the effort he puts in to perfect his craft. But he has those God given gifts that simply cannot be taught. And I wanted to give a shout out to Alex for discovering Moore pretty early on.

2017 in-state DB Justin Broiles also camped with Moore at Alabama…

…and while he did not receive an offer, I’m told that Nick Saban did pull him aside at one point. Evidently Saban told him they like his game, they plan on adding him to their board, and will continue to evaluate him throughout his upcoming junior season.

You may recall Broiles also attended the Oklahoma camp and Brandon, who was in attendance, tells me he was very impressive. I’m hoping to get a chance to see Broiles live this Friday at the TCU camp. – (Super K)

– UPDATE (11:42 am): Regarding the “maybe” of OU’s top 2016 RB target, Devwah Whaley, visiting Norman this weekend.

 

502 Comments

  • 47 Straight OU Know says:

    Good morning Brainiacs, and as always it’s a great day to be a SOONER!!!

  • McKinzie says:

    Please, please, please keep 99% of these in-state prospects at “home” at OU.

  • Jordan Esco says:

    Sticking w/ the apparent OK Preps theme of the day
    https://twitter.com/TheFbBrainiacs/status/621315343550537730

  • Soonerfandave84 says:

    Glad to see these Oklahoma kids are getting some respect. Will mean more kids will get seen as coaches come through the state to see them.

  • Cbusta says:

    Recruiting is the lifeline of any program and OU is getting it handed to them. I can’t wait for a new change at the end of this year. Thanks Bob for what you have done but your arrogance and nepotism was your downfall.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Get out of here with this. You probably didn’t even read the story, you just show up every day to leave your negative comment. OU’s recruiting hasn’t fallen off nearly as much as some would have you believe.

      • Fear The Magic says:

        It was less than a year ago when OU finished in the top 10 ( maybe even the top 5 but I cant remember exactly ) in average stars per recruit on Rivals. If thats ” getting it handed to them” Then I’ll take that every single year.
        The Sky is Falling. The Sky is falling.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      You’re insane if you think Bob is getting fired unless some kind of scandal breaks out.

    • SamSooner says:

      You forgot to Upvota, Cbusta. You know, if you stick your head in the sand all of this will go away, right?

      • Cbusta says:

        You guys will be crying when we go 7-5 this year. Please take the glasses off. Like I said, I appreciate Bob bringing us out of the dark ages but the game has passed him by

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          Cry? I’d cry if my wife or kids were in a wreck, football not so much

        • SamSooner says:

          I will shout it from the mountain top: I WILL NEVER CRY OVER A FOOTBALL GAME!!!

          Did you hear me, Cbusta, the Upvota?

          NEVER!!!!

          • Soonerfandave84 says:

            I cried after we lost the state championship get my Sr year. I admit it. But I was part of the team and knew I’d never play football again

          • SamSooner says:

            That, sir, is different. You were involved and emotionally invested.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            My eyes definitely got watery after the USC fiasco but thats only because I put my fist through a wall and broke my hand.

        • Bob Edwards says:

          Cry over a football game? I never have never will. I watched ever game of John Blake’s tenure and never shed a tear. Now does that mean I don’t care about OU? Can your really say that about someone who would endure the pain of watching a John Blake coached team?

          The difference between some of us here and you is that we have seen enough life to know what really deserves crying over. In my life I have buried four grand parents, a father, a step father, a sister in law, three unborn children and soon a brother in law. That is something to cry over.

          I have an adopted daughter that, at the age of nine, her biological dad threatened to kill himself if she left to get her coat. When she came back he had hanged himself. I have another adopted daughter that lived on the street in a third world country and had to fend for herself and her two younger siblings. Those are things to weep over.

          A bunch of kids playing a game, not so much.

          • SamSooner says:

            Bob, thanks for sharing.

            You nailed it with this sentence: “The difference between some of us here and you is that we have seen enough life to know what really deserves crying over.”

        • OceanDescender says:

          It’s just a game, dude. We’re all big sooner fans here but we also have perspective to go along with that.

        • Zack says:

          7-5. Ok so you’ll be around to say you were wrong when OU has a better record. I see 8 wins before the trip to Waco. And tcu and osu do not scare me. Neither of them should have beat OU last year.

      • EasTex says:

        It did, it always does.

        • SamSooner says:

          “It”, how fitting, since we are dealing with a clown troll. Mr. Stephen King would be proud.

    • Brad Warren says:

      Are you a rodeo or circus clown?

    • Exiled In Ohio says:

      Hey Jordan, might want to be dusting off your hammer!

    • hemisooner says:

      why do you have to up vote your own post.

  • Jordan Esco says:

    trolling or not, please take it easy w/ the name calling. never been tolerated here and nothing has changed. thx

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    This is nice to see…

    #Oklahoma leads for the nations top uncommitted RB Devwah Whaley…and he has visit plans this weekend. https://t.co/9967kkuVBA

    • Jordan Esco says:

      we’re working to confirm whether or not this visit is actually going to happen, just fyi

    • Exiled In Ohio says:

      A BOOM this weekend would go a long way toward quieting the BOO-birds.

    • EasTex says:

      I like Whaley’s game and do want him at OU, but the more I look at Quan Hogan the more I wish the coaches would offer the young man.

      • Randy says:

        My choice was/is Sean McGrew love his film, perfect for the new offense and compliments what we have on campus already. Plus, he ran a 4.3 at The Opening last week..

        • EasTex says:

          I’ll check him out. How are his hands? Besides his size and speed that is one thing about Hogan that really shows out.

          • Randy says:

            McGrew is the most impressive RB film I have seen in a while (IMO). I would love to get a national guy like Whaley or McGrew but also Hogan or Lewis in this offense can’t have too many rb’s.

      • cirwin12 says:

        I’ve seen Quan in action having gone to a couple of Norman North games last year. I think he would do well in Riley’s offense. Good hands and good in space. I’m with ya on Quan.

      • Sooner 4Ever says:

        I really think Quan would excel in our new O. Good speed and balance. Runs strong. Excellent in space. Very good hands.

        I know we’re limited on ‘ships this year and are probably only going to be able to take one, but I’d love to have he and Whaley.

    • Indy_sooner says:

      Good to see but feaking ESPN paywalls…

  • david chisholm says:

    Man, Saban really has his excuses ready for why his team got beat in two sugar bowls in a row. It can’t be because he got outplayed.

  • OceanDescender says:

    Time to send a recruiting posse out to JMHS.

  • SoonerLove says:

    Just a question I thought of off the top of my head….How many over you would rather go 9-4 next year, 10-3 the next year, 7-6 the next year, and 9-4 the next year versus get a new coach and win a national title within the next 4 years? I’m not saying that would happen if Stoops was gone, but just want to get an idea of how many would trade Stoops for a national title?

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Since we’re hypothesising, I’ll take a national title this year; with Stoops. Thanks for asking.

      • SoonerLove says:

        That wasn’t the question…That’s a really dumb answer. I threw out two scenarios and you didn’t pick one. Don’t bother answering the question if you can’t pick one of the answers I provided.

    • Zack says:

      I mean I would trade stoops for a title but you’re only guaranteed getting that title with integrity if you go after saban. Meyer has too much of a cloud hovering over him if you ask me.
      So no I will take stoops and hope he fixed the staff this year.

      • SoonerLove says:

        So you think Nick Saben is the only coach in the entire country, including assistants in college and NFL that can win a National Championship at OU. Remind you…Bob Stoops had never won a National Championship…Better yet had never even been a head coach and won a NT within 2 years at Oklahoma. Man that’s not very opened minded to think that a passionate, fired up assistant somewhere out there could not come into this university and win a NT. People act like Bob is the only person in this country capable of winning an NT at OU. Wow….

        • SamSooner says:

          Okay, SoonerLove, I won’t to point something out that is meant as constructive criticism, not an attack:

          You apologized, publicly, yesterday. I believe your attempt was to start clean with all the posters.

          So, as you pose a question, asking someone’s opinion, but you attacked Zack for his response: “Man that’s not very opened minded to think that a passionate, fired up assistant somewhere out there could not come into this university and win a NT. People act like Bob is the only person in this country capable of winning an NT at OU. Wow…”

          You said you wanted to engage in “debate”, which is a strange word to choose, given the vast choices of words in the english language. “Discuss” is the word I would chosen to use. As I read your post and your response to Zack, it would appear you want to “argue.”

          You asked the groups opinion and your response is demeaning, in my opinion.

          Edit: this behavior is not going to endear you with anyone here, regardless of your apology.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            Yeah Sam thats just what I was thinking

          • SoonerLove says:

            I wasn’t trying to be a jerk. His opinion is that he did not think anyone, besides Nick Saben could win a National Title at OU. I disagreed with Zack. I didn’t put him down or tear him apart for having his opinion. I simply disagreed. I didn’t know I had to act like Martha Stewart on here.

          • SamSooner says:

            Why did you bother to apologize yesterday if you’re going to come back with this kind of behavior?

            You don’t have to be Martha Stewart because she’s not the only person in the world who understand proper etiquette.

          • EasTex says:

            Well, she is a former inmate, so…

          • SamSooner says:

            Stop, you’re killing me with those one-liners.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I’m not trying to be a jerk like I said. I honestly wasn’t trying to offend Zack or anyone. I was just disagreeing with him. Like I said yesterday, it’s okay for disagree. I didn’t call him an idiot or say he was stupid for thinking that. I just said what I think.

          • SamSooner says:

            Read your comments again. Better yet, have someone else read them and see what they think.

        • boomersooner says:

          Move along troll. Say hi to sugar momma or whatever you call it

        • Zack says:

          I said guaranteed. No one except saban and Meyer are guaranteed to win a title.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            They’re not either Zack

          • SoonerLove says:

            I agree. I also don’t even think those two are a guarantee, but at what point are you willing to try. After 7 years of not sniffing a NT? After 15 years of not winning it. I’m honestly ready to take that gamble, but that’s just my personality.

          • Zack says:

            I get that the program isn’t where fans want it to be but that doesn’t mean a new coach or new perspective is going to change things for the better. Other historically good programs like notre dame, usc, and Texas are not where they want to be either. Coaching changes haven’t necessarily helped them. Now sark and strong I think will get things turned around but in my opinion the blue bloods don’t really matter to the HS kids now.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I can agree with that too. That’s why I don’t know if it is the coaching or the conference or the demographics that are effecting the school’s recent lack of success. Good point Zack

          • Zack says:

            And I would be all for a coaching change if the next 2 years were mediocre I just don’t see that happening. I think stoops track record shows they will bounce back so that’s what I’m expecting. It may not be national title contention but I do believe OU has a great shot to win the conference. Talent wise OU is the best team it’s just Baylor has the guys they want so they still might be a better team. And tcu isn’t used to getting the best shot from teams like OU and Texas or even osu or tech.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I agree with most of what you’re saying Zack. OU will most likely get it turned around next two years, esp if Joe Mixon is what everyone is saying. I’m more confident in the offense turning it around than the defense, however. I think we will, but if we don’t, it will be time for Joe C to re-examine his options in my opinion.

    • EasTex says:

      Noun

      concern troll (plural concern trolls)

      (Internet slang)
      Someone who posts to an internet forum or newsgroup, claiming to share
      its goals while deliberately working against those goals, typically, by
      claiming “concern” about group plans to engage in productive activity,
      urging members instead to attempt some activity that would damage the
      group’s credibility, or alternatively to give up on group projects
      entirely.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      We could hire the Almighty Saban himself and not even be close to guaranteed a national title. Nothings a given. I’ll keepBob Stoops for now tyvm. Now his brother is another question

      • SoonerLove says:

        Nothing is a guarantee, but how many years do you go by and continue to have hope. It’s kind of like if you’re trying to lose weight and you’re on a diet. Say the first year you lost 20lbs and it worked great, but the next 15 years you put 15 back on. Do you continue the same diet? Or do you try something new?

        • Fear The Magic says:

          Who exactly do you propose that would give OU a better chance to win an NC?

          • SoonerLove says:

            My proposal is someone that is possibly an assistant to Urban or Nick…Maybe even an assistant at Oregon…Someone that has been in a successful system for over 3 years and has proven success in the system they come from…Kind of like Stoops did at Florida…But hell, I’m not an Athletic director. I’ll trust Castiglione to make that choice. Texas looks like they snagged a good one. Time will tell, but their defense was legit last year.

          • SamSooner says:

            SoonerLove, do you have any names? Who would you recommend?

          • SoonerLove says:

            Like I said SamSooner…I’m not an Atheltic Director…I’ll let Castiglione make that choice. Texas didn’t have any names really when they let Mack go, but winded up with Strong. So far, he’s turned at least the defense around. If they get a QB, they will be competing with Baylor and TCU to win the Big 12.

          • SamSooner says:

            So, by asking this question to the group, with the expectation that we make a choice, without anyone to choose from isn’t fair. In journalism, we call that a “slanted question”, which is defined as a question asked to get one’s desired answer.

            Given the fact that you know your audience, that audience being those responding, sunshine pumpers, we’re more than likely to say we will stick with Stoops.

            Our predicted answer allows you to continue to needle us.

            No, thank you. We’re not that gullible.

          • boomersooner says:

            But but but but…you guys are ganging up on poor wittle me

          • SamSooner says:

            Ah! There’s the light I was looking for. I felt badly for him the other day when you took him to the shed. But now, I see he’s really an instigator.

            What’s up, bruh?

          • boomersooner says:

            Oh man. Just enjoying a troll getting his due. I respect Bob Stoops big time and not just for wins and titles. This clown…not so much. How you doing?

          • SamSooner says:

            I’m good. Thanks.

            Bob is much more than a coach. I realize one of the facets of his job is to win games and championships. But, hey, he’s also responsible for those kids. That doesn’t get talked about enough.

            Every time I hear the complaint about winning, it’s Janet Jackson all over again.

          • EasTex says:

            Not to mention the fact that he returned OU to a premier program, and built it to last.
            There are so many variables that can influence the outcome of a game or a season that often appear providential.
            I’ll save my tears for the next time I see “Old Yeller.”

          • SamSooner says:

            LMAO! That was funny.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I agree he’s done the school a ton of good on and off the field. He did bring us to a premier program the first few years. However, I’m just questioning what direction is he taking us now. That’s all. No doubt he is a great man. I have lots of respect and appreciate everything he has done for the school. However, if a change at the top would get us back to a “premier program” (because right now we’re not a premier program anymore) than I’m fine with that change and support it. I never said Stoops was the problem and I don’t know if he is, but there is a chance he is. Time will tell.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            Question: How do you define a “premier program”?

          • SoonerLove says:

            SoonerMGB56….I have two categories under premier programs…Historical premier programs and current premier programs.

            Teams like OU, Texas, Nebraska, and Michigan are definitely a historical premier programs. Meaning these schools have had the longest overall track record of success, but have fell off in recent years. OU for example, has only 6 out of 7 national titles coming in and prior to 1985 and the only one since then has been 15 years ago. Not only that…OU has only finished in the top 10 only once in the last 6 seasons. Current premier programs include: Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Ohio St. Oregon, and now it looks to be maybe even Baylor and TCU. Teams that are falling into the top 5-10 year in and year out and competing for National Championships. Those are my two categories of premier programs. Teams of the past and teams of the present.

          • SoonerLove says:

            And Sam, I love Bob. I think he’s a great guy and I have a lot of respect for what he’s done and brought to not only us as fans, but the entire football program on and off the field. Character and history has nothing to do with my questioning of whether a change at the top would make the football program better. Can we please not twist this to make it sound like I’m a Stoops hater? It is nothing personal with Stoops as a man or even as a coach.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I did indeed figured the majority would answer Stoops. Sam I don’t know if Stoops is the problem. I don’t know if another coach would make a difference. All I know is the program is not doing good. That’s obvious to everyone, unless one is in denial. All I do know is at some point, I’m willing to risk anything or try anything knew to get back on the national stage. If that means change conferences, change coaches, facility upgrades….I don’t know, but something has to improve or we will continue to stay stagnant is my entire point. Do you agree or disagree?

          • Fear The Magic says:

            None of them would have even close to the proven success that BStoops has. At the very best you’re rolling the dice with the odds stacked against you.

          • SoonerLove says:

            So you mean to tell me in 1998, we should have not gone for Stoops and just hired a coach with proven success like went after Nebraska’s coach or Michigans coach or Tennessees head coach?

          • Bob Edwards says:

            In 1998 we couldn’t afford to go after a seasoned coach. The athletic department was broke and in debt. Stoops’ first contract was for $400K. We did not go after him because he was the best available, we went after him because he was the best we could afford. We got lucky. That’s not a good reason to do it again.

          • SoonerLove says:

            Personally I think it was a combination of luck too and (Blakes recruiting), but we can’t just say that there wasn’t any thought that this guy was being hired to turn the program around. I remember in 1999, Stoops himself said no excuses. They may have not had the money at the time, but they had the desire to win big. they went out and sought after a young up and comer with passion and fire to win. That’s exactly what they got.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Ah yes the old canard about Blake’s recruiting. The problem is it doesn’t match the facts. 60% of the points scored by the national championship team were scored by Stoops players. Most of them were FR and SO compared to Blake’s players who were JR and SR. The number went to 80% if you counted the players that Stoops moved to different positions because Blake had them in the wrong place.

            The numbers were around 50% for tackles on defense. But again most of Stoops were FR and SO compared to Blake’s players who were JR and SR.

            So overall more production came from Stoop’s players than Blake’s despite the fact that they were JR’s and Sr’s.

            As for the rest, your plan appears to be that, because we got lucky once we should just keep rolling the dice hoping to get lucky again. You are like the guy in Vegas who wins on the slots the first time he gives them a spin, then goes on to lose everything he has trying to win again.

            When making plans you don’t base your plan on some obscure theoretical outcome, you make your plans based on what is likely to happen. Can we get a better coach than Stoops? It’s theoretically possible.

            Are we likely to get a coach better than Stoops is right now? If we just took the last five years, Stoops would still be the #20 winning percentage coach of all time. History says you don’t replace one of those guys with another.

            Are we more likely to win if we keep Stoops? All data points to yes.

            Just because you can make up some theoretical plan in your head that might work doesn’t mean that it is a good idea.

            You are fixated on the fact that we hired an unproven coach in Stoops and that worked out. The coach before him was an unproven coach as well. How did that work out? Why don’t you fixate on that for awhile.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I agree with a lot of what you just said. That’s why I have continuously said, I’m not saying letting Stoops go would solve everything or that I’m totally for that. I don’t even know if he is the any of the problem. My whole thing is that there are obviously problems right now and the program isn’t where it needs to be. It appears to be on a decline. My point is that if it continues to decline over the next 2-4 years, do we question Stoops ability to get us back to the elites or do we continue to just keep being happy go lucky out of fear that we will fall back to the 90’s. Our choices at that point are….Stay on a steady mediocre-downward trend and continue to be disappointed every year or take the risk that yes we may go back to the 90’s or we may just land a dude that takes us to 4 national titles in a 7 year span. It’s all possible with a head coaching change, but with Stoops you have a guy that has done nothing in 7 years, except beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl. That’s a lot of time to keep hoping and dreaming about getting back.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Actually, you don’t seem to have understood anything I said.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I think at this point we can just agree that we don’t see eye to eye on this. I think you’ve made some very valid points, but so have I. I think our personalities regarding this situation are just different and that’s okay. No hard feelings.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Do you ever actually respond to what people say to you or do you just use their comments as an excuse to hear yourself talk? You didn’t actually respond to anything I said.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            Are you purposely trying to twist my words and create a new version of this conversation? Where did I ever say that I’d be against hiring someone unproven? It just so happens that I was Over the moon happy when OU hired Stoops. That was a completely different set of circumstances. We were just coming off Blake and Schnelly. Stoops’s history has been top 20 all time. Apples and Onions.
            If you want to have an intelligent discussion here please try sticking to the reality of the conversation.

          • SoonerLove says:

            My point was that I don’t believe every successful coach out there has to be a head coach with proven success. I agree it would be taking a gamble. However, there’s good chance that someone other than a head coach with a proven track record could come in and do just as good of a job or better than Bob is doing right now.

          • Soonerfandave84 says:

            I was recently able to clone Vince Lombardi

          • Fear The Magic says:

            I think even Vince would have trouble defending spread offenses.

          • Soonerfandave84 says:

            Yeah probably so

        • Malicong says:

          As someone who diets frequently, I feel your analogy is flawed. If you use a proper diet and lose 20 lbs you will not gain back those 15 lbs if you are still using the same proper diet. Something had to change for that weight to come back, like changing diets.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I guess that proves a lot of what I’m saying…Whatever Stoops and the coaches did in the early 2000’s (being the diet)…Their either not on the same diet or that diet doesn’t work anymore. They either need to go back to what was working then or need a new strategy or something. Anything to fix the problems they have now.

        • Clint Lenard says:

          I diet every day. It’s called eating…a diet. Your diet is the food you put into your system. The system being the body. The body being the organism. You see where I’m going with this? No? The feeling is mutual.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I’m surprised Clint….you seem like the type that would understand analogies….

    • soonermusic says:

      Just off the top of my head, I’d say you don’t understand the concept of an .800 winning percentage. The numbers you hypothesize are .670. Not close.

      • SoonerLove says:

        Are you comparing my hypothis to the previous years?

        • soonermusic says:

          My comment was based upon what he has actually done. Your hypothesis has no basis in reality,

          • SoonerLove says:

            Do you mind answering the new hypothesis. Plus I tried editing it before your response. My apologies.

        • Ed Cotter says:

          I’ll play……I go with Stoops at 11-1 because that record stands a great chance of getting into the playoff each year and winning at least one, if not 4 NCs, based on the scenario you presented.

          • SoonerLove says:

            Baylor and TCU were 11-1 or maybe 12-1 and didn’t make the 4 team playoff. My scenario meant to include 11-1 and not making the 4 team playoff due to the fact that the loss was either a blowout or there were 4 undefeated teams in all of those seasons. So basically my point was…Would people rather have good seasons with Stoops and not win a national title or a great season with someone else and win a national title with someone else. That’s what the debate came down to Ed.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            That’s Baylor and TCU. They have not established themselves in the national perception yes. Baylor has lost two straight major bowls. And TCU had done nothing since joining the B12, until exploding out of nowhere last year.

            OU or Texas go 11-1 and they’re in, in all likelihood. Also last year was a confluence of circumstances. FSU had the softest 12-0 record ever. Also Big 10 had an active and former Big 10 AD on the committee. Pac 12 had numerous reps. tOSU caught lightning in a bottle at the end of the year.

            Most years a one loss B12 team gets in.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I agree a one loss OU and Texas normally would get in. My whole point to the whole conversation was just to see how many people would trade decent to good seasons with Stoops for great seasons with another coach.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      Here is a list of the all time winning percentage coaches of all times: http://www.tiptop25.com/topcoaches_winpercent.html

      Note Bob Stoops at #14

      In the history of the sport only one time has a member of that list been replaced by someone as good. That means that from a historical perspective you have a 4% chance of replacing Stoops and getting as good a coach.

      Stoops has never gone two years in a row without winning at least ten games, and never had a four year period with more than one sub ten game win season.

      So your hypothetical is completely counterfactual. Try coming up with a hypothetical that has some attachment to reality and you might get a better response.

    • Malicong says:

      Your proposal is biased to begin with. You are basically saying that Stoops has zero chance of winning a NC. Any team, regardless of the coach or the history, would gladly change coaches if they knew for a fact that the current coach would not win one ever again and the new coach was guaranteed to win one quickly. Even Saban wouldn’t survive that poll.
      The real question is who, outside of Stoops, gives OU a better chance of winning another NC? At this point, Stoops is the best option.

      • boomersooner says:

        He’s another of these clowns that wants Bob gone and will hide behind opinion to agendize

      • SoonerLove says:

        Just my personal opinion Malicong…I don’t think Bob has another chance to win one based on the past 6 seasons and based on his 1-4 performace in National Championships. It’s okay if we disagree on this, but me personally I don’t think he will ever win another NT at OU.

        • Malicong says:

          I can respect that and no one can say that you are wrong because none of us can see the future. However, until that is more of a certainty, letting him go may not be warrented. I personally feel that he is capable and believe that he should be afforded the chance to prove it. You stated in another comment on how you are not an AD and Joe C is much more qualified to find a suitable replacement. I agree, but that also extends to Stoops. Joe C is much more qualified to decide if Bob is capable of getting the team back to contention or if OU needs to go in a new direction. If the time comes where change is an obvious (to all) need, it will happen.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I agree with most of what you just said. The only thing I disagree is that this is not his first chance to turn things around. This is his second. If it doesn’t get turned around and we go 3-10 in 2017, I’m pretty sure everyone on this board would be ready. I don’t think that will happen by any means, but I agree that Joe C will be the best one to make these type of decisions. I just wanted to throw out a scenario to get everyones take. Thanks for having a good, clean debate with me Malicong.

        • SoonerMGB56 says:

          So your answer is fire him now, and if we go into a dark decade, which history strongly suggests we will, so be it. Because eventually we’ll hit on another coach that will get us there? Is that your argument?
          Or is your argument that there are people out there, who 1) Would be interested to come to OU, and 2) Are guaranteed to be able to win a NC at OU?
          Heck, just be patient and let this play out, because Bob will likely retire in four or five years anyway.
          Paraphrasing the Bible passage “be careful what you ask for”. We’ve already been there twice, and it wasn’t pretty either time. I suggest just enjoying Bob while we have him, as odds are we won’t enjoy the period after him AT ALL!

          • SoonerLove says:

            SoonerMGB56…Why do you think the odds of a new coach are that they are going to be a Howard Schnellenger or a John Blake? I don’t want to see OU go into a 10 year drought…yes there’s a chance the next coach could suck, but I think Castiglione in too good of an Athletic Director to hire someone crappy. I think a new coach with proven in their role, a Castiglione hire, and a strong passion to win now, is what OU needs to win another title. I think Bob has become complacent and we’ll just see average seasons from here on out. That’s just my opinion. I think that’s why Presti didn’t keep Scott Brooks and went after Donovon. Sometimes you need to look at what’s best for the program and your opinion is Bob Stoops and my opinion is a new coach with new passion. We can agree to disagree here and no hard feelings.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            Well it’s not just the Gibbs/Schnelly/Blake era. The 10 years after Bud were comparably bad.
            And there are the facts Bob Edwards presented above, that are even broader than OU, that only 5% of the all time top twenty in winning percentage were replaced with someone who won at a comparable level.
            And there are the realities of OU, that suggest that given a choice of top schools, top, established, coaches would choose elsewhere. What OU has going for it is tradition and a national brand. What it has working against it is a small home state in which to recruit, which force OU to recruit in Texas, against a number of good Texas schools (statistically, kids are about 4 time more likely to stay in their home state, give the choice) and nationally. Which makes recruiting immensely more difficult than at most top schools. And finally, OU’s donor base is smaller than many of the top schools. Meaning the facilities race so crucial to competitiveness, is more challenging that other top schools. These realities suggest that when we have to replace Bob, we’ll have to take a chance on an up and comer, not an established coach, increasing the likelihood that we’ll stumble around for a while. Both Barry and Bob were longshots. Barry was initially given a nine month contract. Bob’s selection was laughed at, in many circles.
            So those are the factors that put the odds against us SoonerLove.

            And while many support your theorem that Bob is complacent, I disagree. I think the fact that he turned over much of the staff is a clear signal he hasn’t. He seems personally very involved in recruiting, another sign of commitment to winning.

          • SoonerLove says:

            Those are all very valid. So far you have provided the most incite and best reasons on that side of the argument. I agree with everything you just said. However, OU’s tradition as you mentioned is huge for the football program. To keep building on that tradition is vital for the football team to be successful. This is why Bob or whoever is in that role is being paid the kind of money they get paid. Therefore, if you get paid that kind of money, you better be giving it 110% effort. I’m not saying Bob has or hasn’t, but whatever the reason is for having blowout losses almost every year…it needs corrected. Somebody needs to figure out how to be competitive every year and if we lose…than go down with pride.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            No disagreement. 48-14 and 40-6 must end. But I see reasons to feel they will.
            Riley’s history suggests he’ll coach the QB’s better than Heupel, and probably recruit better as well. And again, Simmon’s history suggests he’ll develop WR talent better than Norvell. did.
            And I see logic in the staff changes Bob made, and didn’t make. Logically, you wouldn’t want to have two much turnover in your staff. So Bob set out to replace 3 of the nine assistants. Probably the max you want to do in any given year. The offensive guys had been in place longer and had more of a track record on which to make decisions. Hence Heupel and Norvell went and Mikey stayed. But Mikey got reassigned. And demoted, until Monty left.
            I’m optimistic. Count me as one who sees 9-0 going into Baylor as imminently possible.. That could go either way. And I’m not too worried (I worry about every game and always have) about TCU and OSU. I can easily see 11-1 or 12-0. We could not be gelled yet, and drop the Tennessee game on the road. So I see the range of probable outcomes as between 8-4 and 12-0. And I expect the upper part of that range.

          • SoonerLove says:

            SoonerMGB56….I am right there with you. They seem like great hires and the offense should indeed get better. I know this is going to sound pessimistic and I’m really not trying to be, but the defense is still my biggest concern. I was super pumped when we got rid of Venebles and brought back Mikey, but since then it got even worse. I really think this is Mikes last year to get that side of the ball turned around. I see us either having a close game or losing to Tennessee, possibly being upset at home by either West V. or Tech, upsetting either Baylor or TCU or both, and the Stillwater game goes either way. If we play a terrible team in the bowl game, we win it. If we play a super good team like Alabama, we upset them. If we play someone good, but a inferior (like Clemson), we lose the bowl game. My prediction is either 8-4 or 10-3 for this year. However, I hope we can go 14-0, including winning both the 2 playoff games.

    • SoonerMGB56 says:

      A) What is Stoops record remotely suggests that those records are probable? B) Talk about a slanted “survey”, designed to elicit a specific response?

      • SamSooner says:

        Good observation and great question. As for the slanted survey, I told him the same thing.

      • SoonerLove says:

        His overall record suggest a successful coaching career agreed. However, overall disappointment has been there too. From 2003-Present, we’ve had a blowout loss every year except 2006, 2008, and 2010. Just my opinion, but that is embarrassing to me to lose that way. I don’t mind losing. Like when we lost to Nebraska in OU, it was a hard fought game and everyone including coaches and players gave it their best effors, but fell short. But the blowout losses really make you look bad, especially from a national perspective.

  • Super K says:

    For those asking about Devwah possibly visiting this weekend, I asked his coach and he said that last he spoke to Devwah (3 days ago) they were discussing possibly going to Georgia this weekend, which would make more sense because of Dawg Night.

  • Shelby is a Patriot says:

    I should’ve brought popcorn for this Open Post…

  • Bob Edwards says:

    It’s days like these when you wish Disqus had an ignore feature.

    • boomersooner says:

      Amen. Guy makes a crack about my mom and gets to stick around? Interesting

    • Exiled In Ohio says:

      How about a ban upvote button?

      • boomersooner says:

        Good idea. There’s a few who need to be gone. Cbusta and the clown today. Others just need an ignore button like the usual negatives like dale and bubbert etc

  • Randy says:

    Seems to be a lot of really good instate DBs in the ’17 class.. Could this affect how we are recruiting ’16 DBs ?

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      Offer them all(if they are good enough)

    • Zack says:

      Well and Jenks has a couple of good 2016 prospects. The pukes got stoner and currently quillen is committed to vandy. If quillen starts off next season on a high note then OU better offer immediately.

  • Jordan Esco says:

    update added

  • Sooner 4Ever says:

    When did this place turn into OUInsider? Any chance TFB will open a new forum where we can just discuss Sooner football without thin-skinned whiners on both sides sucking up all the oxygen in a pissing contest?

    You know what… some people aren’t satisfied with the state of the program. If that bothers you, toughen up, Buttercup. Their level of satisfaction won’t kill you. It’s like the entire James Hale Minion gang is over here defending poor wittle ol’ Bob Stoops from the big bad meenies.

    And… Some people are perfectly happy with the state of the program. If you don’t like that, too bad. Constant badgering about it won’t change their minds either. Why keep going on and on about it?

    Both sides are very quickly ruining a once great place to discuss OU football.

    Rant over.

    For now.

    • Exiled In Ohio says:

      Gotta hate the off-season!

    • Defend Colfax says:

      With all the comments, one would assume their was news.

      • Sooner Ray says:

        Exactly what I thought, Never will waste any of my day replying to someone that doesn’t share my views. Just don’t see the point in it. Very few enjoy talking to themselves so it makes short conversation.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      How dare you complain about the complainers!

    • rphokc says:

      hey, oui’er………how ’bout the addition of bright red down vote arrows with a running total count……that should juice the place up

  • Brad Warren says:

    Watched WVA game again last night. Perine was just ridiculous. We were 5-0, #4 after that great road win. Then TCU happened. We were up 14 in that one after running it right down their throats on 1st possession after half. Anyways, just seemed to me that we never recovered mentally from that defeat. I seriously don’t think we’re as far off as some think. Obviously quality QB play is key. Which I think will happen. Clearly secondary play must improve but with an extra yr of experience for returnees and additions, I also think that will happen. Can’t wait!

    • Exiled In Ohio says:

      Exactly! We were doing great until MO quit the team.

      With a couple of breaks going a different way, the attitude going into Baylor could have been much different. With college kids (and frankly pros), momentum and self-confidence plays a huge part in the outcome.

      But, yeah, last year’s gone. This is the year! I’m looking forward to BIG things!

    • Tony B says:

      I agree that this team was not far away other than consistent play at QB and keeping momentum. After the TCU and KSU games (which OU could’ve and should’ve won both) their heads dropped and the lack of leadership showed. Shep going down also killed whatever offensive mojo they had. Neither the coaches or on the field leaders could rally the troops and that is disheartening to say the least. This year the leaders need to step up and get this team fired up for every game win or lose and after a win or loss. That is what good leaders do. I saw a lack of leadership last year across the board. Oh and inconsistent QB and secondary play, lol. They will be much better this year if they keep their heads.

      • Exiled In Ohio says:

        Great point! All teams are going to hit controversy, and it’s the leaders that are responsible to turn that around. No one seemed able to stop the slide last year.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Funnily enough I was having OU football withdrawals and rewatched the TCU game.

      They got 2 BIG breaks to go up 14-0 right off the bat. The first one was a a tipped ball by one of our DL men that ridiculously landed in the TCUs WRs hand. Turned into a big play for them which led to their first td. The second was even worse. There was a penalty called on Sanchez that very obviously should have been called against their player. Instead of being penalized 15 yards they were rewarded 15 yards. 30 yard swing. Result TD TCU.
      The rest is history.

      • Sooner Ray says:

        Watched that game the other night myself, still can’t believe we didn’t win.

        • Fear The Magic says:

          I know and the funny thing is that now TCU is the up and coming program and OU is the downtrodden program.
          There was very little difference in the teams that day. We easily could have won that game.

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Right and that was on the road. OU is more talented every year, just have to play like it. My issue is MS handling Baylor’s offense look at the points given up over the last four games 3 which have been losses.

      • ratman says:

        Final TD of that game though Pick 6 Knight!!!

        • EasTex says:

          Yeah, and then we couldn’t make a 4th and one with Perine.
          Strange day.

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            All Perine had to do was step over the LB…make one guy miss.

          • Brad Warren says:

            Yeah, that was brutal. And as you mentioned, we’re still given 2 more opportunities w the fumbles. I just felt for certain we would score. Crushing game.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        The rest of the story included Boykin fumbling twice in the last 5 minutes, and our QB and OC being unable to capitalize. I know LJones would have put up six at least.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      One of the things I have learned over the years is how small the margin is between being a champion and being an also ran. We had four games last year where the margin was a single play. We lost three of them. If we can reverse that we will have a decent year.

      • EasTex says:

        I am pleased to inform you that I finally installed Chrome.
        Does it look good on me?

        • Bob Edwards says:

          Shiny.

          • EasTex says:

            Now for the tedium of customizing it.
            /*sigh*

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Definitely get AdBlock. It makes browsing a whole lot better.

            One nice thing about Chrome, is that once you have it customize, it gets saved to your google account. Then if you ever have to reinstall, it restores everything (including the extensions) once you log into chrome.

            Since I am a programmer I end up working on lots of different machines. Really handy.

          • EasTex says:

            Already installed Super AD Block and Pop up blocker, first things I did.
            Chrome still wants to fight with me over using DuckDuckGo as my default search engine.

          • OohRah Mama says:

            So with the stench that is Adobe Flash and me preferring Firefox – anything I can use, or is Silverlight my only choice?

          • Bob Edwards says:

            You can’t replace Flash with Silverlight they are competing products. If the person developing an ap uses Flash that is what you have to use. If they developed it in Silverlight you have to use Silverlight.

    • ratman says:

      QB play??? Knight threw a pick six and that was the winning touchdown in that game.

  • BleedCrimson says:

    G-Day minus 52
    Chris Bush

  • Robertson / Robertson 2016 says:

    Mama must’ve known her baby would be a big ol’ boy to name him Tramonda.

  • Robertson / Robertson 2016 says:

    Conversation starter here: The Oklahoma Drill. What match-up(s) do y’all want to see? For me it’s:

    O: Perine behind B. Evans

    vs.

    D: Bolton behind Tapper

    …and go. Edit: Actually, switch Tapper with Gallimore.

  • John Garner says:

    FWIW I saw a headline at ESPN NCAAF that says OU leads for Devwah Whaley. It’s Insider info so I couldn’t read the article. Good news if true. Can’t imagine ESPN reporting good news for OU unless it is true.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      OU leads, according to him, report also said he might visit this weekend. As you can see w/ the latest update, that’s not happening. I think that pretty much gets you the gist of things. Hopefully that helps 🙂

      • John Garner says:

        Damn Jordan, I thought I was posting good news. Such is life and recruiting.

  • connie usa says:

    I don’t know if it’s just parity throughout the football world, but OU seems to have lost some of their mystique. They had it with Bud, and Switzer, et al, but OU doesn’t seem to be the “it” program right now. And maybe not even a top 10 “it” program. Montgomery seemed to be helping us get that back; hopefully these new/newer coaches can bring us back to the promised land.

    • KJ1123 says:

      I think the mystique had alot to do with the times. Things are different now, kids and parents are better information due to the changes in technology, all star camps, etc. Jerry and Bill have the same recruiting style. Except Jerry was Lando and Bill is Han, Billy Dee Williams was always smoother with his approach.

    • EasTex says:

      It sure doesn’t stop teams from rushing the field and celebrating like it’s 1969 when they win a game with the Sooners or talking smack like the Vols treating OU’s visit as their Super Bowl.

      • connie usa says:

        Let these “lesser” programs have their fun and time in the sun. I want to get back to the times were teams were afraid to come to Norman. I want some swagger.

        • EasTex says:

          So do I, but it doesn’t alter the fact that OU is a premier program with big Crimson bullseye on their front and back. We will always get the best efforts from our opponents.

        • ratman says:

          Ohio State won’t be afraid to come to Norman next year.

      • Fear The Magic says:

        True just ask ESPN and they’ll call OU a fading has been of a program but watch if the Vols beat OU ESPN will claim a great and landmark victory for UT and the SEC.

    • SamSooner says:

      Connie, it appears there are some universities that have did a great job with marketing their program. Couple that with ESPiN love affair with the SEC and OU isn’t going to look as sexy. The SEC and the PAC 12 is where it is. That’s where we are.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      From a media standpoint we make a better bad guy than good guy. They want the good guys to be the ones with the large fan base in a large media market. Larger fan base means larger advertising dollars for the networks.

      All but two of the SEC states have a higher population than Oklahoma and all of the Pac-12 states do.

      If it were just us that would be one thing, but its true of all the Big-12 states but Texas. And the Big-12 splits the Texas markets with the SEC because of TAMU. So they don’t really want us as the good guy because not enough people like us.

      We don’t do the bad guy role very well any more either. Stoops is not Switzer.

      So basically we don’t have anything to offer the networks anymore except our burgeoning rivalries with TCU and Baylor.

  • Brad Warren says:

    So now Saban is saying some of his players draft grades affected performance in Sugar Bowl loss to Ohio St. You can’t make this stuff up. Much like saying getting up for OU was like a consolation game. So in the years his team won their bowl games, his players weren’t affected by grades? Just ridiculous.

    • ratman says:

      What kind of effort did you see from us against Clemson last year.

      • Wolfdog says:

        I can answer that: F

      • boomersooner says:

        Another wet blanket that needs an ignore button

      • Brad Warren says:

        I definitely understand the bowl letdown argument in lower tier bowls when teams expected much more. However, Sugar Bowls are just a bit bigger than the Russell freaking athletic bowl.

        • lefty67 says:

          Apparently, SEC teams aren’t getting that message. Including Utah’s whipping of Bama to end the ’08 season, the SEC has lost 5 of the last 6 Sugar Bowls they’ve been in (& FWIW, their only win was against a non-P5 team, Cincinnati)

      • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

        Um, 9. Nine percent.

      • 47 Straight OU Know says:

        My personal opinion, Venables proving a point to Bob.

      • JD says:

        What did Stoops blame the performance on…just curious since this is a topic about excuses

      • Clint Lenard says:

        Players were worried about draft grades. Upset that they didn’t get to the NC game. That’s all.

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    Lots of Duvonta Lampkin(well, his mom) on Twitter right now… Doesn’t sound good for UT, Strong not returning calls.. She says they haven’t spoken to any other schools either… But Duv wants to play this fall, doesnt want to sit or play Juco..

  • SoonerLove says:

    So earlier today we debated about coaching changes and a lot of you had very good points to my hypothetical question. My whole goal is to try to figure out how many of you would be so loyal to Stoops that you would be willing to give up a national title….Just hypethically if it were guaranteed that Coach X (for example) would win a National Title within two years and Stoops would never win one again. Bottom line…Are you willing to give up a National Title in order to be loyal to Stoops? I really didn’t want to debate about getting rid of Bob, since that is Joe C.’s job to determine that. I just wanted to get a take on everyone’s thoughts regarding the loyalty vs. winning mentality.

    • boomersooner says:

      Uncle

    • rphokc says:

      curious, how many times have you tried to spell hypothetically last couple of days…….lol

      • SoonerLove says:

        Umm….only when your mom hypothetically was over last couple nights.

        • rphokc says:

          ah, your creative, witty side…….ok, so much for benefit of the doubt……..you’re on your own, carry on

      • SoonerLove says:

        No thanks, I have better things to pound.

        • Drew says:

          If you seriously meant either of your apologies, then you really should stop. Many of us around here disagree on stuff, but you’ve crossed the line more in a couple days than many have since this site started. So either start behaving like you meant your apologies, or please leave.

          • EasTex says:

            But he didn’t and he won’t.
            Respect for your reasonable comment, though.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            I guess it’s human nature or lack of control for some, but if everyone just skipped over comments they didn’t agree with there would never be any back and forth bickering. Troll types can easily be starved.

          • boomersooner says:

            I’ve got plenty of control, just zero tolerance for idiots

          • Sooner Ray says:

            I think we should all conserve our energy for when the TFB texsa edition kicks off. That’s when the kitchen may heat up. 🙂

          • EasTex says:

            Those clowns don’t worry me.
            However, if they ever start an FSU edition I will have to cancel my subscription. Those fans are as nutty as squirrel poop and are inclined to write 3000 words in a comment when 30 would suffice.

          • boomersooner says:

            Ooh gross. How can you burnt orange anything? I hate pumpkins just for that

          • Boomer4life says:

            What’s the eta for the TFB short horn edition?

          • Sooner Ray says:

            I haven’t heard but I would think they are shooting for the start of football season. As far as I’m concerned, horned cattle are only good for roping. 🙂

          • Boomer4life says:

            It’ll be interesting. …needless to say.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Yes it will, especially in October. On a side note, I always hang out here when I’m tired of the slap fights on LT…..this week I’m going to LT to avoid slap fights in here. LOL!

          • Boomer4life says:

            Sounds like you have it all planned out. It really only takes one bad apple to suck the air out of the room.

          • rphokc says:

            good one……….have you noticed that LT has had considerable arguing concerning the worth of tfb………I think they’re bored also

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Yes, I always read those threads.

          • OohRah Mama says:

            Oh Gawd, nothing good comes from burnt orange. Knowing our guys are discussing ‘hornball will be like stepping in poo wearing your brand-new Louboutins.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            LOL, I’ve done some reading on a couple of horn boards just to be a snoop, I’m thinking that a TFB version would be too classy for most of them. 😮

          • OohRah Mama says:

            I read Shaggy every now and then for kicks and for Thujone’s MS Paint (brilliantly done BTW). But if anyone can fark up a gift like TFB, it’s bound to be horns…

          • EasTex says:

            Yessir.
            Now that many here have seen his modus I expect fewer will respond to him as though he was genuine and sincere.
            I gave him slack initially, but he quickly revealed his true nature.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            I’ve been following, he was playing people like a champ for a while. That’s why I try to interact with those I’m familiar with and just keep an eye on the others.

          • EasTex says:

            I eyeballed his act quite a while before I commented to him, a comment many people found favorable. Apparently it hit close to home and he started whining.

            Edit= he was added to the “scroll-over list” the next day. The only pixels he gets from me now are in images, not words.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I’m done talking to you as well. Please respect my space and ignore my posts and I will go about my way. I don’t want anymore bashing to others about me or anymore direct hits. Thanks.

          • boomersooner says:

            Hahaha

          • SoonerLove says:

            Drew, do you notice all my rude comments are when I get a rude shot sent to me first?

          • boomersooner says:

            Negative son. Farthest thing from the truth. This whole 2 days started with you chuckles

          • SoonerLove says:

            It started because I agreed with Cbusta on our downward trend in recruiting…Then the rudeness poured in from you guys because you were so butthurt that anyone, especially a fellow fan could point out anything negative about the football program. I think if I came on here and gave unrealistic expectations and said…”OU is the greatest team in the nation going into this year and said we are going to win the national championship…You guys would have fell in love with me from the start.

          • boomersooner says:

            It started cause he trolled and then you trolled and now this is goodbye. Too many shots at people’s mommas equals bye bye time for you. Have a nice life. ZERO tolerance for zeroes

          • SoonerLove says:

            The mama shots were in response to the rudeness I received after your baby butts couldn’t take criticism or negativity. That’s sad that you can’t handle any negativity. There’s a difference between trolling and pointing out things you’re frustrated about in the program and getting completely ambushed about it. A bunch of good people on here, but a bunch of jerks like you that like to gang up on people that disagree that OU is perfectly fine and Bob Stoops is the greatest coach in the country right now.

          • boomersooner says:

            I had a full career dealing with fickle fans like you. Nothing new to me. Some yahoo on a msg board spouting off at the mouth don’t effect me in the least except to run him off. This was started by you taking shots at people I respect, who’ve been here a lot longer than you. Just move on about your life. If you keep responding to me, I will keep baiting you til they kick you, which for some reason hasn’t happened yet. You have no clue how to act and until you do, shut your mouth

          • SoonerLove says:

            I’m done talking to you. Ignore my posts, don’t comment on my posts, and we will be just fine.

          • boomersooner says:

            Grow up and you’ll have a shot here. Don’t and you’ll be history. Either way I don’t give a damn

        • boomersooner says:

          Where’d you serve time?

    • Jeremy Phillips says:

      Is this real life…?

    • SoonerMGB56 says:

      Why would we respond to a fallacious question? You can’t trade one for the other. NC’s have to be earned.
      And also, for example, loyalty to Stoops, unless you know him personally, is likely based on an assumption, by that individual, that Stoops is more likely to get us another NC than some unknown coach.
      Why do you persist, when you have a clear indication that few, if any want to play your game, whatever it is?

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      Would you rather have a cat that can push a watermelon out of a lake or a guy who has hair that is a bird?

  • Bam says:

    SIAP. What’s the level of interest from Jordan Parker in OU with his decommit from UCLA today? TIA

  • boomersooner says:

    Can we get rid of this clown yet? 33 strikes. I think he’s out

    • Jordan Esco says:

      ban hammer is always at the ready.

      • SamSooner says:

        Jordan, I’m sure you’ve noticed: his intent is to be argumentative. His admission that he wanted to see how many would choose loyalty to a coach as opposed to a National Championship has caused much grief today.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I don’t entirely disagree, but I’m hesitant to ban someone permanently for trying to start a discussion. Just b/c it’s a premise or question you or I may not agree w/, doesn’t mean it still can’t be asked.

          If you, or anyone, don’t care for the guy then simply don’t respond. I’d expect he’d get the hint rather quickly.

          But all that said, I’m not going to tolerate this type of s#$% in the future. We’ve long established the standards for the forum here and for the most part everyone here has been incredible in adhering to them and holding others accountable for doing the same.

          I don’t want to stifle opinions, even those I may not agree with, b/c I feel like that’s the absolute wrong thing to do, but I’m also not going to waste any more of my time mediating some stupid, childish internet squabble.

          • boomersooner says:

            Yeah he was still running his mouth to a few of us while he was apologizing. Gotta be a kid. As soon as the tables turned he was crying to you. Sorry for that earlier, I was just baiting the troll and he bit….a lot

          • Jordan Esco says:

            I get it. It’s easy for me to sit here and say ignore it, but I’ve failed to resist that urge plenty of times. No need to apologize.

          • SoonerLove says:

            I’m done talking to boomersooner and EasTex on here. Neither one of us can civily talk on here and have solid discussion, so I agree that it’s best we all keep our distance from each other. Can I please inform you if they continue to say harrassing things to me or about me within this forum. I want to discuss my opinions freely and it’s fine if people disagree. I had some healthy debates with guys like Zack, SoonerMGB56, Malicong, etc. today. However, those two guys can’t talk civily, which in turn causes me to react in a way I don’t want to react. If they will stay away from my posts, I will stay away from theirs. Thanks.

          • Boomer4life says:

            Lol!

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Yes, of course you have every right to inform us if you feel you’re not being treated appropriately.

            Appreciate you having the adult response to things.

          • SoonerLove says:

            Thank you Jordan. I appreciate you allowing me to freely express my opinions on here. I love this site and enjoy all the first-hand, up-close information you guys provide us with.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Not a problem. Just please refrain from the mom references going forward, thx.

          • SoonerLove says:

            You bet and I apologize for those. Will definitely not do that again and hope they respect my space as well.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Much appreciated.

          • SoonerLove says:

            Anytime. Also, just an FYI…It looks like boomersooner has dropped it, but EasTex does not seem to want to stop. I told him that I informed you, so hopefully he will let it go and move on. Like I said, I’m done, but just don’t want someone to continue to harass me on here. If it continues, I’ll keep you posted. Thanks.

          • SamSooner says:

            I appreciate it. I value different opinions, his as well. In my opinion, if you bait someone in a forum as big as this, someone is going to bite.

            As always, we thank the TFB Mods for all you do.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            No need to thank. We/I should be thanking you all for making it so easy by being actual civil human beings, today notwithstanding 😉

      • EasTex says:

        I have flagged two of his comments today where he implied he was in bed with two of our regulars mothers.

    • rphokc says:

      mark the date, bs…..I agree with you

  • hOUligan says:

    Sure seems that there are more talented kids getting noticed by schools outside of OK. And now many of those kids are looking beyond the border. I’m in that camp that would like to see OUr staff make a greater effort to identify and evaluate those kids earlier and show them that Sooner Love. Love seeing them get the offers from P5 schools but want the majority staying home and wearing OUr crimson and cream and bleeding Sooner blood.

  • EasTex says:

    I was checking the extended forecast for the D/FW area earlier. For the remainder of July we will be in the upper 90’s to 100 or +.
    Then, beginning the first part of the first week of August the temps will be in the upper 80’s and lower 90’s for the remainder of the month.
    The weather here is very similar to the weather in Norman, if not a little cooler there than here.
    That means the summer camp conditions for the Sooners should be ideal.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      I know I’m ready for this heat wave to slide somewhere else. It would be awesome if it cooled a bit for fall camp.

      • EasTex says:

        Just thinking of an August where the temps stay in the 80-90s pleases me.
        Sure hope accuweather is correct.

        • MoJoOkie says:

          They usually can’t get the next day right, much less the next month. Not trying to dissuade you, but don’t put them swimming trunks up just yet.

    • SamSooner says:

      Here’s hoping for good weather.

  • Slim Sooner says:

    Just returned from a day trip with the kids and what do I see? Been some fussin’ and fightin’ up in here today. Took me 20 minutes to read the article and all the comments. The article was good info. Thanks, TFB. We neeeed a Boom!! And for game day to roll around. This time of summer is excruciating.

  • SoonerLove says:

    Does anyone know which players are starting on the defensive side of the ball come Sept. 6th? I know Tapper will be a starting D-lineman, Alexander, Shannon, Bond and Striker will rotate the LB’s, and Parker and Sanchez will be in the backfield, but who will start at Corner opposite of Sanchez, the free safety, and the other 3 D-linemen? Thanks.

    • rphokc says:

      starting?…….you won’t know ’til close of fall practice

      • SoonerLove says:

        rphokc…I know they wont announce it officially till fall, but I was hoping someone had some kind of idea of potential starters. I guess I should have said potential starters.

        • rphokc says:

          idk, ask tfb tomorrow

        • Zack says:

          Jordan Thomas will probably start the other corner position and I think byrd will land the other safety spot to start but that’s a total guess. I think we will see will Johnson early and often at nickel and he may take over a starting job if byrd and Ahmad Thomas haven’t improved. The DL I have no idea. I think wade has a good chance to start and I would look for DJ ward to make a big jump but dimon, wade and romar have the best chance to start along side tapper imo.

          • SoonerLove says:

            Thank you Zack. I haven’t heard of Johnson yet. Is he a freshman? I’ve heard really good things about Romar however.

          • Zack says:

            I think his last name is Johnson, he’s the juco originally from Baltimore and he looked good in the spring. Hes more of a corner but I think he can play free safety.
            I’ve heard romar mentioned a lot so I think he will play. And I haven’t heard as much about dimon but I know guys who know more than me really like him. I did hear Al and trammel talking the other day and they said walker is getting noticed for the wrong reasons which is disappointing.

          • SoonerLove says:

            Ya, I heard them say that about Walker too. That is disappointing, because he seems to have a good frame for the tackle position, but some guys just don’t have the work ethic. I’m glad the coaches aren’t just putting guys in there for there frame and making them put in work for their earnings. I saw a lot of potential with Romar last year. I guess they said Bond is looking like NFL material too. I think we’ll be stacked at linebacker.

          • Zack says:

            Outside of striker it seems like we will have some impressive looking LB’s. Striker could make himself a lot of money if he were able to get up to 240+ and show that he can pursue a running back and make plays in the flat. I hope he can do that this season even at 220 pounds

          • SoonerLove says:

            Exactly. He has it all, just needs the size.

          • Zack says:

            And to be really good he would have to get up to be as big as James Harrison who I think was generally above 260

          • rphokc says:

            walker has huge upside………..could you expand on their comments to the negative……thxs

          • Zack says:

            Kinda what was mentioned by SL, they just said that they’re hearing bad things about his work ethic

          • rphokc says:

            hope it’s not a neg reaction to reynolds…….reynolds is somewhat of a ghost so far, will be interesting to see/hear more from him when practice starts

  • Boomer4life says:

    The pain!

  • SoonerLove says:

    I’m done talking about the past. Bob Stoops won and earned the national title in 2000 and I’m not going to discredit or take anything away from him anymore. Do away with bring up John Blake anymore. He is 20 years gone and no need to discuss the past any longer. Can we all just look what is going on at the current program. We have had a blow out loss almost every year since 2002…We haven’t sniffed the National Title or finished in the top 5 except for when we beat Alabama in 2013. We haven’t come close to the 4 team playoff. I know we have a lot of sunshine pumpers on here and people that hate my guts on here, but realistically the football program is not where it needs to be. Bob knows it and is trying to fix it. I give him much credit for hiring Lincoln Riley and the other coaches to try to turn it back around. However, for those that think everything is fine and dandy….Why would Bob fire Josh Heupel and Jay Norvell if there wasn’t a problem????????? I’m pretty sure that’s why he fired the coaches in 2011 after Johnny Football kicked our butts. If we were where we need to be than why fire guys? You guys are idiots if you think they got fired for no reason. The only reason to fire staff and make staff changes is to better our success and overall records right? So why is it such a bad thing to think….Maybe it’s not the assistants that need to be punished? Bob is the one in charge. He is the one calling the shots. If the guy at the top is not succeeding than why am I an ahole for questioning his capablity and leadership in the overall football program? I’m sick of being attacked. I’m sick of being made fun of. You people can live in your own little world and keep fanitizing and droowling over the 50’s, 70’s, 80’s, and early 2000’s, but I’m sick to my stomach over the embarrassment I’ve seen in the last 6 years. Keep pumping the sunshine and see you will never see what you saw in 2000-2004 again. Get upset and make changes….and you may see OU football what it is supposed to look like. Sooner born, sooner bred, when I die, I’ll be sooner dead. I love my Sooners, Love you fans, but please lets be realistic here and stop ignoring crappy football.