Open Post | Tuesday, Mar. 3rd

Image of Trayveon Williams via chron.com

– Defensive line recruiting: Over the weekend I decided to do a little a digging on OU’s defensive line recruiting with the goal of trying to gain some additional insight on Oklahoma’s recent hire, Diron Reynolds. It had just been a little too quiet and I share many of the same questions I’ve seen you asking in the comments here on TFB.

As one would expect, now that Reynolds is starting to settle in he has also begun to reach out to recruits. One such prospect being 2016 DT & OU offer, Rashard Lawrence (Monroe, LA). In my brief conversation with Lawrence, he did say that he really liked Reynolds and loved that he has a ton of NFL coaching experience. He also mentioned he felt Reynolds has ‘a really cool personality.’

However, Lawrence is the only recruit I have been able to verify thus far who has been in contact with Coach Reynolds. Which may cause some to be alarmed, but a source told me Reynolds and the other OU coaches are still working to determine what area/s — from a geographic standpoint as the OU coaches generally recruit regions as opposed to strictly their position group/s — exactly the Sooners’ new d-line coach will focus is recruiting efforts. Once all of that is settled we should start to get a better grasp on where and what Reynolds will be as a recruiter. – (Brandon)

– Bob Stoops: The other thing that struck me in my conversations with the prospects I spoke with was the fact every single one told me they have heard from the head man himself, Bob Stoops. The fact that he has been so hands on in recruiting of late is rather interesting. And it’s certainly not just with respect to the defensive line. You hear more and more recruits talk about the relationship and/or conversations and/or time spent with Stoops on a regular basis.

It shouldn’t necessarily been taken as a critique of Stoops as the OU head ball coach, even with his many other responsibilities, has always been an effective and willing recruiter in the past. But given the clout and reputation Stoops has established during his tenure in Norman, it’s obviously a positive that he is putting that good use in seemingly getting even more involved on the recruiting trail. One would have to think that can only pay off in the long run. – (Brandon)

– Connor McGinnis: As it turns out, the Sooners did wind up landing a 2015 quarterback after all. Last night there were several reports OK Preps & Heritage Hall QB Connor McGinnis will be headed to Norman as a preferred walk-on.

Certainly a little bit of a different look just with the fact McGinnis is a lefty, and while I’m certainly no QB expect it was hard not to see some of Kendal Thompson in his game. He looks to be an athletic and talented player, but I believe there was some question as to exactly what position he would be best suited for at the next level (although I’m quite sure there are any number of people out there more familiar with his situation, so if I’m off base here please feel free to correct me in the comments below). He looks very strong with the ball outside the pocket in the open field.

All that said, one would have to expect — at least for the time being — he’ll have quite a bit of work ahead of him if he hopes to see the field as a quarterback at OU with four other scholarship players already ahead of him. However, it’s never a bad thing to add a talented player to your program and it would certainly appear the Sooners have done that in McGinnis. – (Jordan)

– Trayveon Williams: Early last week OU extended an offer to 2016 all-purpose back, Trayveon Williams. The 5’9″ 180 pound running back was actually the first offer for the newly assigned Jay Boulware and that fact was not lost on Williams when he and I spoke.

“It feels great knowing that I’m the first running back that Coach Boulware offered,” Williams said. He went on to say he also talks quite frequently with OU offensive coordinator, Lincoln Riley. The night of the offer, the two had a rather extensive talk. Williams seems to be a fan of Riley saying, “he seems really cool and was telling me my skill set is unbelievable, and I could bring a lot of fire to the offense.” But Riley didn’t stop there, telling Williams “he also said I’m the perfect back for the system and that he wants, and needs, a back like me for the offense.”

And it would appear conversation between Riley and Williams certainly paid off, as the latter is now planning to be in Norman this weekend for OU’s Jr. Day #2. – (Brandon)

226 Comments

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    That McGinnis kid makes those defensive players look silly when he runs the ball! I did not expect to see that type of skill. Was pleasantly surprised!

    • ALar03 says:

      IMO I wouldn’t mind seeing them take a look at him at wide reciever… he seems extremely athletic and the one catch he did have looked pretty darn impressive, but I’m all about a receiver that will go up and get the ball!

      • BoomerDave says:

        He is also an outstanding safety. He will be a contributor somewhere before his eligibility is up.

        • Stephen Dale says:

          Boomer : know who he reminds me of from a size and mobility perspective ? Randy Hughes ( sooner safety from Tulsa )….

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            So you are a Sooner fan after all.

          • Stephen Dale says:

            I’ve always been a Sooner fan—just not a ‘rose-colored’ glasses guy…..went to OU back in the 60’s when tuition was $6.00 per semester hr.—–hard to believe isn’t it ?

    • Sooner 76 says:

      Would be good as a holder. OU uses walk-on QBs as holders frequently.

    • Pokerman says:

      Anybody else see a similarity between him and Josh Heupel in their delivery?

      • Stephen Dale says:

        Pokerman:…………..yes & no. Yes from the standpoint of arm strength . No from a delivery prospective….but I only watched two of his games……

        • Pokerman says:

          I was referencing his delivery too – throwing off his back foot a lot and lofting the ball.

          • Stephen Dale says:

            Pokerman…………okay, agree with the comparison from that stand point…..

      • ToatsMcGoats says:

        Yeah, I thought his delivery looked pretty weird, but it looks like he throws a decent ball.

      • MrBigsby says:

        That name is only to be mentioned when discussing the 2000 MNC!!!

  • CS says:

    Riley and Cooks seem to be lethal recruiting weapons. Not sure about Simmons and Reynolds yet. Will be an interesting year to say the least.

  • Jason Vos says:

    If Connor McGinnis is so good, why didn’t he get any scholarship offers? I doubt he will ever see the field at OU. Not at QB anyway

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Pretty sure I addressed both of your points in what I wrote above. I mean I could be wrong, but I’m not seeing where anyone said he was going to come in and win the QB1 job.

      • ccmosaic says:

        I like the kids skill set. When you can get walkons that love OU and are pretty good it makes the entire team better. Remember when Nebraska built a program and was known as walk on U. We want this kid and he will make the team better. The more of these kind of kids the better the program will be in the future.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          Well said.

        • Jason Vos says:

          Yeah but his throwing motion is bad. I just cant see him playing QB here.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Yeah, because a college coach has never had to correct the technique of a kid coming out of high school. Young men in the 18-22 range have the potential to change a lot. Let’s not write a guy off because he is not perfect. None of us are, but some of us do learn as time goes on. And many do learn a lot if they have someone who knows what they are doing to mentor them.

            I doubt this kid sees the field but not because he isn’t Tom Brady today. Right now he would be number five on the depth chart and we will very likely recruit over him. But you never know how much he could improve with some good coaching.

          • SamSooner says:

            That an easy fix: keep the ball by your ear-hole and deliver it from there. His tendency is to dip his shoulder and the ball is already next to his chest. Like I said, keep it high and deliver from there.

          • Cole says:

            Doing what he does makes every ball look like a lob. Just needs some more coaching. Like every other kid coming out of high school or JUCO.

          • Jed says:

            He’s a WALK ON. That means he’s good enough to work out with the team and maybe might improve to the point where he can play. No one is anointing him as the second coming of Joe Montana.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      Dominique Whaley says hi.

    • Tmac says:

      We do have another walk-on quarterback making some noise. You just never know.

    • Cole says:

      He didn’t put him self out there, i. e. Going to camps. Rivals camps, semper fi, etc.

  • Cush Creekmont says:

    With no scholly QB to redshirt this year, perhaps McGinnis is the new scout team QB in waiting.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Possibly, but wouldn’t be a lefty kind of throw things off in that respect, at least in terms of prep work?

      • Cush Creekmont says:

        Team specific, it may well do that. On the other hand, WHO is going to run the scout team at QB?

        • territorysooner says:

          More than likely the 3rd & 4th team QBs depending on who our opponent is for that week.

          • Cush Creekmont says:

            That would make for an interesting dynamic since all four have already been scout team QBs. I can’t see Mayfield or Knight as juniors being willing to do that (or the coaches letting Knight with his injuries). After spring maybe something more will show, but it seems dicey to me for a kid to stay as a second-year scout team QB.

          • territorysooner says:

            If they are 3rd or 4th team and feel they can compete, they will do whatever they need to in order to get the reps, and I would think that would include scout team. Assuming they want to stay at OU. Personally, I would guess Hansen is most likely to be the primary scout team QB.

        • D Hunter Sanchez says:

          Hansen or Knight.

      • Sooner_Ace says:

        seconded

      • Bob Edwards says:

        Unless we are prepping for a lefty. But that would be very situational.

    • Lane Gilstrap says:

      I say since Trevor Knight was so good at running the scout team, let him go back and run it.

  • Jason Vos says:

    Cody Thomas should be the starting QB, If not I could easily see another 5 losses this year. I know I know he played bad last year, but he was asked to run an offense that didn’t fit him at all.
    He was running Lincoln Riley’s type of offense in high school and was an absolute beast in it.

    • Cole says:

      It’ll be between Mayfield and Thomas. I really expect to see Knight weighing his options. He’s a good quarterback. Just not an air raid type.

    • Tucker says:

      I like Thomas as well, but before I get on board with him he needs be able to hit a simple five yard out or ten yard stop. No more balls in the dirt.

  • james babcock says:

    Sence this is and open post just can’t get last night game off my mind.this has has become a recurring theme with this team get big leads then lose the game ,never did kelvin sampson or billy tubbs lose games like this.the problem is this happening on a continuous basis.never seen a top 25 team blow so many big leads in the second half of games.

    • ccmosaic says:

      Depth of the bench. We need more elite level players to come off the bench and give guys a rest. We are almost there but this team is not a top 10 team. We have had a great year and I hope we make a tournament run but we are still building.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    I watched McGinnis twice last fall ( loss to Davis 48-27 and 3A title game in December) and thought he was a better SS /OLB candidate than a QB candidate. Did not exhibit the arm strength for D-1 elite level but seems to be a quick decision maker and is fairly mobile…because of his height ( 6-5 or so, he might be able to add some weight and eventually be a nice SS type …. while he is coming to OU as a QB, at least to me, think he could contribute elsewhere………..just don’t think it will be at QB…….

    • Bob Edwards says:

      The thing is being an Air Raid QB is more about quick decisions than it is strong arm. A strong arm is a bonus but not necessary. That is why a lot of them put up gaudy numbers but go nowhere in the pros. One of the selling points of the system is you don’t need a QB with an elite arm to be successful.

      • Lane Gilstrap says:

        Well the air raid also helps recievers get open because they are spread so far out. So it’s also easier to throw it to a guy who’s really open than just a guy who has a half a step.

        • Bob Edwards says:

          Yep that will help too. Our receivers weren’t open much last year. As an interesting statistic from last year. Both Trevor and Rip had as many TD receptions last year as our #3 receiver.

        • SoonerOracle737 says:

          Great point.

      • Stephen Dale says:

        agree with you…..

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        A voice of reason. Think JH and Matt Leinart. Both these guys would not be mistaken for Brett Favre’s arm, but Heisman and runner up, and Champion.

    • Soonernavy says:

      You didn’t watch McGinnis because they didn’t lose to Davis but beat Cushing in 3A title game.

    • Brien Brown says:

      Speaking of Davis I watched them in the 2A title game against my old H.S. Nowata. Was a great game the QB for Davis was a STUD, think his name was Summers maybe Blake Summers still kid was good. Was a fierce Safety I am sure he had to go somewhere. Don’t know much about McGinnis but, it’s obvious the coaches like what they saw in him to be a preferred walkon.

      • Stephen Dale says:

        Summers signed with East Central.. he might have been a factor in a Switzer-type wishbone but his skill set was not a match for what OU or OSU runs….It will be interesting to follow his progress at ECU……..

        • Brien Brown says:

          Well as a QB of course Wishbone all the way but as an athlete and as a Safety he was pretty darn good also. I hope he has success was a fun kid to watch.

  • Tucker says:

    No way am I saying this will happen or am I trying to sell this kid. But just food for thought, or just an interesting fact.
    In 1981 BYU had a left handed QB that was told by his coach that he will never player at QB, and that he would play at safety All because he was left handed. A few months later, a new head coach, and the rest is history. That QB was Steve Young.
    Again, not trying to sell the kid just an interesting fact.

  • Bob Edwards says:

    30% of our TD receptions in 2014 were made by guys who played QB in 2013.

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Do we know if Caleb Kelly is coming to junior day this weekend?

    • Jordan Esco says:

      I’m almost positive that’s not the case. Expect him to use an official visit during the regular season for a game. Maybe he can also manage an unofficial at some other point, but something would have to drastically change for OU to not at least get an official visit.

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Is Caleb Kelly coming this weekend?

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    Comment & question, TFB have spent a good part of the last couple of years promoting Oklahoma high school football players, propping guys up for offers & whatnot.. A couple of weeks ago, we made an offer to a small school instate player(Jon-Michael Terry) & he committed on the spot.., but unless i missed it, we have yet to see an interview or even much of a breakdown of the kid… Is that something in the works at least..? Other than some hudl film, i know nothing about the kid.. Would like to see TFB’s breakdown on him…

  • BoomerDave says:

    It is hard to get too excited about kids who commit to OU or anywhere this early. Do you remember the names of our first 3 commits last year? This is not a test so I will give you the answer. Josh Wariboko, Du’Vante Lampkin and Jamille Johnson. How did that work out for us.

    • KJ1123 says:

      I agree, early commits are nice to have. But it’s a long year.

      • BoomerDave says:

        I’m not even sure how nice they are to have. Especially if you think you’ve covered a hidden jewel. It just causes the rest of the world to stand up and take notice.

  • John Garner says:

    All good news. Thanks for the morsel on Reynolds. Very positive. I think we all suspected that his NFL experience would garner great respect. Looking forward to more good news on our new coach. The others as well. (FWIW – I recall another lefty QB who played for OU. He operated in the Air Raid and won an NC as I recall.)

  • Andy Sundborg says:

    Before we totally bash southpaws just a little reminder JH is left handed and he did fairly well!

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    Bob is on live on the tulsa animal now

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Listening right now.

      • Wilson says:

        to static….lol….price of tea in China …kind of stuff…cant wait til the spring game, when there will be real news and football discussion..

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Nothing revolutionary, but it was good to hear from him.

      • Jeremy Phillips says:

        The discussion is pretty interesting right now..

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I heard the whole things, didn’t find there to be anything all that interesting. But having listened to Bob for the last 16 years, I also know better.

          • Jeremy Phillips says:

            I was referring to the post Bob discussion. Pat & Dave talking about the new coaches/ recruiting etc…

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Ahhhh, only caught the end of that about Mike possibly going up to the booth. What else were they saying?

          • Jeremy Phillips says:

            Dave said he knows for a fact Kish was a big part of Deberry’s commitment.. Hinted at some rumors that maybe Jerry liked to toot his own horn recruiting wise… Pat kinda emphasised that recruiting is a team game.. But youll run into guys that build themselves up & others like Gundy & Kish who just quietly go about there business… That discussion was interesting…

          • Super K says:

            Absolute BS. I know DeBerry’s father and I know the person close to the DeBerry’s that helped Jerry get DeBerry. Kish wasn’t remotely the reason.

          • Jeremy Phillips says:

            Dave didn’t say he was the reason, said Kish was a part of it, it wasnt all Jerry like the recruiting sites would lead you to believe…

          • Super K says:

            It was ALL Jerry. If Kish gets crediting for talking to the kid, then sure he was involved. But JErry recruited that kid from beginning to end and deserved the credit. It’s easy to pick on the guy who’s gone but his class spoke for itself. Kish’s didn’t

          • BoomerDave says:

            Wow! I heard Ricky on KREF and he would strongly disagree with you. Lol. But again, who do you want to believe is the question.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            No one is calling DeBerry a liar, but if you knew what K knows then you’d know what he’s telling you is fact.

          • Super K says:

            Ricky is a seasoned pro. He knows what to say to the media. I spoke to his father and I spoke to the person around them that connected Jerry to their family. I also spoke to someone inside the program that knows the story.

          • BoomerDave says:

            That’s all fine, but if he was such a seasoned pro, you’d think he’d at least give equal credit to JM, but he didn’t.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            His father did, more than equal.

          • BoomerDave says:

            Again, I’m talking about Ricky, not hid dad.

          • Sooner 76 says:

            He already was recruiting him from when he was at Michigan, so naturally Bob assigned him to be the primary recruiter. Yes, he did a great job in recruiting him and a number of other players. But to say that Monty recruited them all w/o anyone’s else’s involvement is not correct. We can debate how much the other coaches participated, but it wasn’t 100%. He may have been 100% of the REASON a player or players committed to OU, but he wasn’t the only one recruiting them.

          • Brien Brown says:

            So despite all this he said she said. Here is what I know as a by stander and a fan. Jerry was a damn good recruiter and did his job well, even if Ricky said what he said so be it he is in fact a “KID” and I am pretty sure no one said Kish did anything to land anyone special during this class up till now. I’m not for or against Kish but, seems a lot of OU fans are fair weather fans, when it’s good man it’s good but when it’s bad it’s real bad. Say Kish lands a stud LB class after missing on this years class people will love him, but still funny how people are now saying they think Wheeler will be a flop now that he isn’t an OU guy smh. I think we will get good kids and will be just fine in recruiting but this whole someone saying the admins of this site is wrong or arguing with them is a lil stupid, K and Jordan do this for free and in their own time and they have knowledge of a lot more than I do, that I wish I had the access to and I do cause of them, (THANK YOU BTW). But, they haven’t since I have followed them been anything accurate and sincere and well pretty biased and unbiased both they just keep it real. Come on Spring game and come on Season! BOOMER!!!

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            But everyone here told us that Kish can’t recruit…

          • Jordan Esco says:

            That’s coming from someone inside the program w/ an agenda. And it’s not a coincidence Eschbach said almost identical late last week on the radio as well.

            As K said, it’s complete and utter b.s.

          • Stephen says:

            Mike Stoops?

          • Jeremy Phillips says:

            Dave has fairly regular communications with Bob.. So that would be his source..

          • Jordan Esco says:

            I can’t speak to who his source is or isn’t, but I can tell you definitively their information is wrong.

          • BoomerDave says:

            Shame on you for not knowing that Bob is a habitual liar.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            And you know it’s coming from inside the program, How?

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            Sounds like maybe you have an agenda?

          • Jordan Esco says:

            b/c I know where those guys get their info and know what has been said, which matches up identical w/ what they’re putting out, and who said it.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            Well I know that the Animal guys have, in the past, thrown things out there without any basis in fact, or any inside information, just to stir things up. That is the foundation of their whole show…stir things up.
            So again, not sure why you’re sure that this is not that.
            I can find lots of other published information, from Bob and others inside, lauding Jerry, so I’m not sure why now you’re running a campaign saying that Bob, and his staff are trying to run Jerry down?
            I’ve not seen or heard anything from Bob, or the staff anti Jerry Montgomery.

            Sounds like maybe you have an agenda?

          • Stephen says:

            Hmm, that is an interesting take. However, seeing how many guys loved Monty I would have to say he was making a big difference on the recruiting trail even if some would say otherwise.

          • Super K says:

            Stephen is using logic. At a certain point you don’t need inside sources to know the truth. Kish hasn’t landed a single high profile recruit. Jerry landed multiple. And yet now that Jerry is gone there is suddenly some revisionist history about how Kish actually landed a kid from Virginia and beat out Tennessee, Alabama and Ohio State for. Convenient.

          • Jeremy Phillips says:

            Andrews was pretty high profile last year…

          • BoomerDave says:

            This isn’t about whether or not JM was an excellent recruiter. A third grader knows that he was. Nor is this about rewriting history, at least not for me. This is about you giving 100% of the credit for Deberry, when Deberry himself gave most of the credit to Kish, in fact not even mentioning Monty in the post-signing interview. And saying that he was just being nice to his position coach doesn’t fully explain it for me. How about being nice to your Coordinator? Wouldn’t that make sense as well? We all know that Monty played a huge part in Deberry’s recruitment. I just don’t think that it was all Monty as you apparently believe. Especially after hearing Ricky’s interview. Kish at least deserves an assist, which you are not giving him.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            Rivals gave Kish an assist.

            Ricky signed his LOI. That’s good enough for me. Other people like “Dave” can fiddle with keeping score. Feel me?

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            Perhaps “some” or “Dave” would like to be introduced to Ricky, Neville, and Gabriel.

          • Steve Johns says:

            I’d believe Deberry’s dad over a sports talk guy. Sr. said Monty was the main guy.

          • BoomerDave says:

            But Ricky said that Kish was the main reason for his commitment. So who you gonna believe, the recruit or his dad.

          • Steve Johns says:

            Never saw/heard that but if true then I’d believe the player.

          • Super K says:

            It’s not about believing Ricky. It’s about recognizing that he’s a smart kid that is going to say the savvy thing on the radio. He wants his position coach to like him…not feel like he’s the jerk who gave the credit to another position coach even if it’s true. Ricky Sr. played the game…his son is well coached on all levels.

          • Jeremy Phillips says:

            Good on him.. That should bode well for the young mans future…

          • Indy_sooner says:

            You could tell he has an incredible head on his shoulder with how he handled his situation. Compare this to Lampkin’s response. I am proud to have this dude on our squad

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            @disqus_E9QJKWjaop:disqus @jordanesco:disqus @disqus_LY9zIq4nBE:disqus @SuperKBrainiac:disqus

            Well this was fun, gents. I’m wondering out loud if it really matters who was the main person.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Very little considering he’s signed and the other “main” guy is no longer here.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            Agreed. Monty was the “main” guy we all thought, all along. What’s the difference now if it was Kish…?

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Because it would make the Kish bashers wrong?

          • Super K says:

            Indeed. Doesn’t matter at this point. But the shots coming out of the program right now directed at someone no longer here but left OU with a hell of a haul bothers me.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            Monty got Ricky. Kish got Arthur.

            Funny how many people have axes, and axes that are dull and need to be sharpened.

          • Super K says:

            Monty got Ricky (beat Bama, Ohio State, etc.), Neville (beat Oregon, FSU, Ohio State, etc.), Cambell (beat MSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, etc.), helped get PJ Mbanasor (beat Ohio State, LSU, Texas, etc.)…Kish got Arthur (beat Arizona, Texas Tech, etc.).

          • BoomerDave says:

            Has anyone talked with Neville lately? He was the only recruit that I saw that openly showed his disappointment in JM leaving. Is he still 100% behind his signing?

          • Stephen says:

            Agreed.

          • Herman Bubbert says:

            Likewise. Classless.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            Do you KNOW that these “shots” are coming from inside the program? IMO, the Animal guys like to throw things out and see what they can stir up, without regard to any facts, or information from inside, calling it rumour.
            Are we sure that this is not that?

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Perhaps that is the issue. Monty took all the accolades which were not totally deserved and it rubbed competitive people the wrong way. Nonetheless, agree that this opinion does not have to be aired by the coaches. Nothing good can come from it. QUESTION: is it an advantage or disadvantage to have MS in the booth?

          • DCinAZ says:

            Or, as I mentioned several times, Monty’s work ethic highlighted the differences between a young, hungry coach and established coaches who are more concerned with “quality of life” as the Stoops brothers like to mention regularly.

          • DCinAZ says:

            Kinda smells like butthurt from Bob the way I read it.

          • Jeremy Phillips says:

            I know, right..

          • Steve Johns says:

            Doesn’t matter much at àll but I’m waiting to see who blinks first in the debate. Lol

          • Stephen says:

            I guess it really doesn’t but I’d rather not acknowledge someone for someone else’s hard work.

          • Sooner 76 says:

            That makes perfect sense. Monty was assigned to recruit DeBerry b/c he already has a good relationship from recruiting him at UMich. Hard to believe that Kish, who would be his position coach, would have little or no involvement as well.

          • Jeremy Phillips says:

            See Jordan, i told you the discussion got interesting after Bob left… Lol..!

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            What does that mean, “having listened to Bob for the last 16 years, I also know better.”?

          • Jordan Esco says:

            It means Bob gives you almost nothing in the way of specific details.

          • Boomer4life says:

            LoL! Sensitive much?

  • Stephen says:

    Question, are we going after a smaller RB this year? I haven’t really kept up with offers but the ones I’ve noticed are all sub 5’10 guys. Personally, I’d like to stay with the big backs we’ve been grabbing over the past 2 of 3 year.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      The latter just really aren’t a fit for what we’re all presuming Riley wants to do w the offense.

      • Stephen says:

        I only brought up the point because I thought DeMarco, Chris Brown, and Mossis Madu were all right around 6’0. I could be wrong, though.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          Murray: 6’1″
          Brown: 5’10”
          Madu: 6’0″

          But, again, IMO OU is going to be running a different offense than the one those guys ran. And I would think probably aside from Murray, those other two guys you mentioned w/b considered by most to be on the smaller side w/ respect to your “typical” RB.

          • Stephen says:

            Ah I gotcha, thanks for the explanation.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            On what are you basing your opinion, as to the fact that OU will “be running a different offense than the one those guys ran”?

            I am of the opinion that the offense that “those guys ran

            ” is exactly what Bob would like. Spread them out, but still retain power elements, power backs, utilize fullbacks and TE’s, utilize lots of formations, with the same personnel, and play fast. IMO, Bob wants an offense that has it’s roots in the Leach system, e.g. spreading the field, aggressively attacking defenses, but not Leach’s system. Something closer to what Wilson ran, when he was here.
            Are you of the opinion that Bob wants, and Riley is going to run, the same offense that Leach runs? I.e., passing two thirds of the time, small backs, running only as a change of pace, lot’s of no back sets, never QB under center? If so, why do you think that?

          • Jordan Esco says:

            The fact they weren’t running an Air Raid when any of those guys were on campus. So, that.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            So because someone used the term Air Raid, you think the offense will look EXACTLY like what Leach runs today, and ran in 1999. Personnel, Run/Pass mix, everything. No variation.
            So you’re saying my opinion is totally unfounded bullshit?

          • Jordan Esco says:

            I’ve said neither of those things, actually, but if you feel the need to continue to put words in my mouth, be my guest.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            You did say that the backs will get smaller, because we’re going to run an Air Raid.

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Nice point about Murray. He had hands, blocking ability, shifty out of the backfield, good route runner, besides being able to make people miss after making the catch. Murray is the prototypical “air raid back.”

      • SoonerOracle737 says:

        But smaller backs aren’t typically the best weapons in short yardage goal line situations. There are exceptions of course, but typically not. So shouldn’t we have a mix?

        • Jordan Esco says:

          They will for the next several years barring any transfers. Perine, Ford, Ross & Mixon are not small. Far from it in fact.

        • tfb_fortyseven says:

          Don’t forget the ‘Q’ … it seemed he could exploit even the smallest of holes in short yardage situations. I really miss that guy and those 6 TD performances.

      • rphokc says:

        ….heading towards ttech with scat backs?

        • SoonerOracle737 says:

          Ugh. I hope not. A few is ok, but not a full stable.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I definitely expecting to see some of that, yes. I don’t think Bob would let them go exclusively that route, but I think you’re certainly going to see more of it than we’ve seen in the past.

          • rphokc says:

            …….be interesting to see if brooks finds some time in this o….he’s had a rough go here

          • Stephen Dale says:

            how many of the Perines, etc OU gets in the immediate future depends on how often and in what capacity they are utilized in the Sooner offensive scheme, starting in the Fall……

      • SoonerMGB56 says:

        Who is “we’re all”, who is presuming?
        I’m not remotely presuming what you are. Nor are some others out here. Am I and those who presume differently than you wrong?

    • Bob Edwards says:

      Well assume he wants a mix of back types. What would he recruit this year, assuming we can only recruit one or two? Since we only have one back south of 5’11” 205 and he was 4th or 5th on the depth chart this year, he is going after small scat backs. Now in two years if that is all he is recruiting there would be some concern.

      • Stephen says:

        That’s understandable if that’s the case and you may be completely right. I just prefer continuity in a system. One player leaves and you replace him with similar type of player as to not disrupt flow. You’re right though, we will only have one change-of-pace back on the roster in 2015.

  • Bob Edwards says:

    Seems to me everyone needs to keep in mind that this is a transition period as far as recruiting. Even if your goal is to have mix of types in a position group you may recruit heavy for one type because the current make up of the team is light in that type. Because we are recruiting small backs this year, does not mean we will every year. Once the mixes are evened out, you then recruit to replace what you lost. That is not to say that we are necessarily going to a balanced group in that area. But it does mean it will take a couple of years to know for sure where we are headed.

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      I’m not sure where you’re going with all of this logic, Mr. Scientist.

      It’s clear to all of us that OU is recruiting scat backs from now on and we won’t be able to run the ball near the goal line. We’ll be doomed on 3rd and short. This is a disaster to recruit 5’10” scat backs. We need a bunch of Derrick Henrys.

      • SoonerOracle737 says:

        A few of us hoped for a mix in sizes, not just smaller ones like Taco Tech. That’s all.

        • ComancheJoe says:

          I believe the “sarcasm” icon is missing in Mr. Dookmarriot’s post. I like to go with this

      • Herman Bubbert says:

        Could not agree more – and it points again toward a pass-heavy Air Raid.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        The sky is falling eh? Last I check Quentin Griffin scored a lot of touchdowns didn’t he? It’s not the size of the back, it’s the size of the heart. Look, Chris Brown was 200 pounds right? He got stuffed in the most important game in the last 7 years. If the OU executes a back 5’7 185 can score. Reggie Bush comes to mind.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        I think you picked the right kind of bait. You caught several.

        • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

          I thought my joke would be increasingly transparent. I was wrong. I’ll start hashtagging my posts.

      • OklaSooner says:

        Derrick Henry?? We need a bunch of Perrine’s! Lol

      • John Garner says:

        I recall Leach saying that one of the advantages of a “scatback” is that they’re hard to see behind the big uglies. But given Perine’s skills and strength, so what if they see him. Almost everybody did but few, if any, could stop him.

    • Zack says:

      I think a guy like Williams will eventually be moved to slot receiver. I’ve seen his highlights he doesn’t seem natural as a running back imo but could be lethal as a receiver. He actually reminds me a lot of shepherd. But to your point they will recruit by needs not desires. Right now we have have 5 guys on campus that are around 220 or more. Also mentioned on SS we are looking at a kid that’s 5’11 200 I don’t know the name but it tells me we will still take a power back every year if one is available.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        I suspect if we get a chance to pick up another Adrian Peterson or a Samaje Perine we will take him even though may not be a traditional Air Raid back. There are some player you take and figure out what to do with them.

        • Zack says:

          Exactly. As long as we have this system I think we will be aiming for guys like Murray. Mixon and Anderson are supposed to be similar although neither appear to be as explosive has Murray and neither have played a down in college so it’s hard to judge what they will do when they make it on the field.
          I don’t think we should get caught up in “Riley’s system” he will likely be gone in 2 years if he’s as good as stoops is betting he will be.

  • Super Keith says:

    Something that I think gets overlooked (regarding Reynolds & recruiting)…the coaches are limited in their contact at this time (I believe they are only allowed 1 phone call, and no texts). If Stoops (or any coach) has already contacted a recruit, then Reynolds can’t call them. Coaches are limited until mid April from several things. That’s why the junior weekends are so important.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      “(I believe they are only allowed 1 phone call, and no texts).”

      This is not accurate.

      The main limitation for coaches during a quiet period (which we’re in right now) is no off-campus visits & no evaluations.

      There may be some limitations w/ respect to calls/texts/etc (those kind of specifics are not easy to find), but they are nowhere near as strict as you’ve listed above.

      • Cush Creekmont says:

        Texts and calls seem hightly restricted, Social media not so much.
        For what it’s worth –

        http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/12404435/the-recruiting-rules-rule-spring

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I guess I stand corrected then. Regardless, however, there are obvious work arounds to those restrictions as detailed in that article you linked.

          I still really feel like some of what’s in there isn’t entirely accurate, but who am I to question that guy 🙂

          • Cush Creekmont says:

            I have far less knowledge than you on these subjects. Just happened to recall the article. I have no idea about the accuracy (ESPN has been known to be wrong…once or twice). The sillyness of some rules and skirting them is what makes the NCAA such a god-awful mess. Keep up the stories and comments – I enjoy them.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Crabtree knows his stuff. Just didn’t seem to jive w/ what I’ve heard in the past, but I also don’t believe every quiet period involves the same restrictions for each. But whatevs 😉

          • Well, rules are in place, but when I hear a kid tell me, School X contacts me with a different coach everyday, it tells me that no one really abides by those rules and there’s ways around them, like DM’s on Twitter.

        • hOUligan says:

          Good info, as usual from you. Thanks for posting for us.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Apologies, Keith. I appear to have been corrected in a comment below. It looks as though you were right re: some of the restrictions, but much like w/ most NCAA rules there are some pretty easy ways around them for the coaches/recruits.

      • JD says:

        Coaches need to start getting online playing games with recruits…read an article about sec teams doing that and it’s pretty much an area that can’t be enforced…

        • D Hunter Sanchez says:

          Really? They on freaking X Box and talking to the recruits? If you’re not cheating you’re not trying eh?

          • JD says:

            That’s what I heard…pretty crafty really,,,play some ball against them and coach em up and get close…I think that’s one of Ole Miss’s tricks

          • Sooner Ray says:

            I’ve also heard these stories. Kids game on line with mic’d headsets and talk to each other, coaches could easily join their group and chat all they want…..untraceable.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        I suppose the upshot is any criticism of Reynolds at this point, vis a vis contacting recruits, is unfounded.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I don’t know that it was criticism necessarily, rather simply a relaying of things that we’ve heard. Never claimed to know every single thing going on w/ every single recruit. So he could have easily reached out to others we simply haven’t spoken with.

  • Dustin says:

    Sooner baseball up 14-0 in the 7th. Neuse, Aiken, and Shaw have gone yard.

    http://www.soonersports.com/liveStats/v2/baseball/index.dbml?GAME_STAT_ID=1898667&db_oem_id=31000

  • ComancheJoe says:

    In regards to the running back debate, this is ECU’s roster and OU’s roster. Riley was definitely not bringing in the big boys, but there is some good size there at 5’10” to 6’1″ and about 200lbs

    • Bob Edwards says:

      Yeah and most of the big AND fast guys get picked up my the big boys not ECU. I think we will see a mix, though we will probably be smaller on average than we have been recently.

  • Wilson says:

    With all the discussion about RBs …even though it is just a mock draft…found this interesting

    TOP 25 RBs in the 2015 NFL Draft (height and weight)

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2015RB.php

    • Zack says:

      I’m surprised how many guys are under 5’10. I think Gordon has the most potential but I also really like the kid from Michigan state. And I wouldn’t be surprised if duke Johnson has a nice 4 or 5 year run like MJD

      • Wilson says:

        I think if we researched we would find that the average college and NFL RB is under 6’0″. There are more important things to measure a RB by than height. Namely – vision, power, explosion, upper and lower body strength, pad level, quickness, lateral movement, change of pace, attitude, etc.. ex. L. Tomlinson. But, for some reason it seems height and weight are always the primary conversation starters along with straight line speed of course. Even though the average RB probably runs between a 4.5 and 4.6. Their shuttle time, split times and cone drills are more important.

  • Bob Edwards says:

    WVU 40 – KU 26 @ the half

  • lebval15 says:

    C’mon coaches, its March already. signing day is only 11 months away. we should have at least a dozen 4 star commits by now.