Open Post | Wednesday, Mar. 11th (UPDATE 4:19 pm)
Posted on: March 11, 2015
Image of Devin Duvernay via Irish Sports Daily
– Resuming Practice: OU is tentatively scheduled to resume practice this afternoon. I talked to a source and was told the original plan, following the demonstration the team and staff held on Monday, had actually been to cancel practice for the entire week. However, some of the team leaders (Striker, Tapper, Sanchez, Shepard, etc.) met with Bob Stoops and let him know they wanted to resume practices. As to be expected, Coach Stoops has been extremely sensitive to this whole situation and making every effort to respect the opinions of his players. We’d heard as of last night there were still some on the team that felt that practices should not resume, but the team leaders want to practice so I’m anticipating that practice will resume. – (Super K)
– Confirming the 4-man Front: I’ve also received some additional confirmation that OU is definitely back to running a 4-man front with a 1, 3, 5 & 7 technique single-gap alignment. If the season started today, I’ve been told the starting line-up would be: Matt Romar at the 1, Charles Walker at the 3, Charles Tapper at the 5 & Eric Striker at the 7. Jordan Wade will rotate at the 1 behind Romar, Matt Dimon at the 5 behind Tapper, with Ogbonnia Okoronkwo & Devante Bond at the 7 behind Striker. I didn’t get word on who is backing up Walker at the 3-technique, but my best guess is Dwayne Orso given the desire many coaches have for length at the 3-tech. – (Super K)
– Man Coverage is a High Priority: I mentioned this before, but I heard again recently there is going to be a heavy emphasis on man-to-man coverage under new secondary coach Kerry Cooks. Fans can expect Oklahoma to play more man coverage than they saw last year, which was typically something they attempted to make look like man but ended up in really more of a 3-shell. Also told that with this change in emphasis, as such there has been much more work with 1-on-1’s in practice. Many of you will recall that last year I mentioned OU was doing less of this (1-on-1 work with DBs vs. WRs) than many of the other major programs. They’ve only had one practice thus far but in talking to some folks, I get the impression that is changing…as it should. – (Super K)
– Jared Mayden: Late last week I was able to catch up with former OU basketball player and the father of 2016 Sachse CB & OU offer, Jared Mayden (Sachse, TX). The 6’2” 190-pound corner was in Norman back on February 15 for OU’s first Jr. Day and really enjoyed his time on campus, especially with Kerry Cooks. Since then James Mayden, Jared’s father, let me know that both he and his son have remained in regular contact with Cooks, along with Bob Stoops as well.
It sounds like the communication has started to have an impact on their relationship as he says Jared has been vocal about the consistent effort and the relationship he now has with the OU coaching staff. Mayden has quite a few visits coming up throughout these next two months, but it does sound like a return trip to Norman may happen as well in the near future. However, that trip may not be for Jared but his younger brother, 2018 QB Jalen Mayden.
“We are supposed to go up in the spring,” James said. “Jalen is also supposed to go up for the quarterback camp (this summer) as well.”
It sounds as though the Sooners are making sure to give an all-out effort to try and really sell the Mayden clan as a whole that Norman is the right place for them. – (Alex)
– Devin Duvernay: A big coup for the OU staff was getting Devin Duvernay (Sachse, TX) on campus for Jr. Day this past weekend. The speedster slot receiver came to Norman already holding an offer from nearly every high profile school in the country, including the Sooners. He may have made the trip to Norman “not expecting much” as he put it, but instead left with a much different impression.
“It really surprised me. I didn’t realize it was that big, and they had a lot of nice facilities. They showed me the new stuff, where they are going to add to the weight room and enclose the stadium.” Probably the most shocking thing, however, was the fact that Cale Gundy would be his position coach. “I know he coached Adrian Peterson and Demarco Murray, and I thought he was the running backs coach. Then I showed up and I saw he was insider wide receivers coach and tight ends and I was like what! I was over there thinking I was crazy.”
Duvernay went on to describe his relationship with Gundy, “I like Coach Gundy a lot. I talk to him quite a bit. I’m excited because he knows how to get guys to the next level. He can get me to my goal, and he’s proven that he can get me there.”
The talented 2016 wideout seems genuinely high on the Sooners and thinks Lincoln Riley is putting OU in the right direction with the new offense. Duvernay said he has plans to return to Norman next month for the Red/White game, which is shaping up to be another big recruiting weekend for the Sooners. – (Brandon)
– UPDATE (12:00 pm): Bob Stoops has announced the team will NOT practice today.
– UPDATE (4:19 pm): Scout’s Derek Young is reporting that OU has offered 2016 JUCO offensive lineman, Branton Autry (Coffeyville, KS).
249 Comments
I really like that starting front four. Some potential issues w/ teams running at Striker, esp. if he’s going to be a full-time DE (though I suspect they’ll get creative in how they use him), but that has always been the case. 4-3, or 4-2-5 as I’m sure OU is going to play it, makes WAY more sense w/ the loss of Phillips.
I thought Striker wasn’t very good against the run 2 years ago, but thought he improved that part of his game last year. Hope to see another big step this year.
I like Striker as a situational rusher in this alignment, but man it seems teams will run it down OU’s throat. If you are going to have a standup DE/LB hybrid, it shouldn’t be a LB in a safety’s body.
I don’t think striker is very good at the run either. Tends to run around blocks bc he isn’t big enough.
Walker is a perfect “3” – he has always reminded me of GK anyway. This should be (and needs to be) his breakout year.
K, based on your OP, the 4 man front is something they are working on but isn’t it still a 3 man front with a stand up backer. It’s not a traditional 4 man front from what we are used to. If this is the lineup, does this move to more of a 4-2-5?
Could vary, but it’s not like we’ve never seen Striker put his hand in the dirt. I suppose as long as he’s in that 7 spot, it’s never really going to be a “conventional” four man front just b/c of his size.
And, yes, we’re definitely expecting them to be more of a 4-2-5 scheme.
With ya, I realize there will be multiple packages. I really like Obo & Bond so hope they get on the field too.
I like going back to the 4 man front…DL and OL is typically where games are won, Adding another talented DL to the fold forces offensive lines to account for 1 extra person every play. Also makes the depth at LB much better going forward
They are not adding another DL, it’s a 3 DL with Striker.
Still seems like the Okie 5-0 defense, to me, which doesn’t bother me at all.
It is, just a different flavor of a name. I guess they see more S blitzes. Either way I’m good as long as the players buy in.
I miss those safety blitzes up the middle. Puts the QB in duress in a hurry and either gets sacked or has to bail on his pocket.
Ah ok
Doesn’t really look like they’re adding another big body up front. They’re just moving Striker up. I’m very skeptical of the change.
I wish they would run 4-2-5 with 4 big bodies up front.
Glad they made the decision to get back to practice. With a new system and coaches we can not afford to miss too many. Upmost respect for Stoops and Boren and how they have handled this unfortunate situation.
They weren’t going to miss any practice. You are allowed 15 practices and that’s how many they are going to have, demonstrations or no demonstrations. It’s just a matter of rearranging the schedule.
Thanks BoomerDave for the clarification.
First time I’ve seen Duvernay’s film and am thoroughly impressed.
Getting elusive players like Hardy and Duvernay is a direction I fully support.
Another defensive change….that makes sense. No identity in how they recruit or on the field. Constantly changing schemes and having your players have no experience in the scheme you are running is a recipe for mediocrity. This makes what???….the 4th or 5th different defense that Mike Stoops will have run in his few years back. And people wonder why their is such inconsistncy.
NFL is a game of superstars you change things up for, college is a game about systems and schemes.
Teams would be smart to find Dominique Alexander and Eric Striker and run right at them.
“NFL is a game of superstars…college is a game about systems and schemes”…this is so dead on. And I share your frustration to a point but I think the theme of this year is coach Stoops going back to things he knows. I think ultimately running that sorta 3-4 just wasn’t in their comfort zone. It’s like they were trying to be a 3-3 and a 3-4 team not realizing that you’ve got to have an identity and while both are odd front schemes their essential identities are very different. Charlie knows how to use his 30 front in a way that’s effective in this league. OU was trying to be charlie Strong’s old 30 d and nick sabans 30 d at the same time…and doing it with less talent in some spots.
This is a 3-3-5 defense and barely that to me, because Striker is not a true linebacker…he is a safety hybrid playing out of position.
I don’t see where the pass rush is going to come from within this scheme. Oklahoma continues to focus on getting defensive backs on the field but neglecting the pass rush. Striker is a one move speed rusher and Tapper looks nothing resembling his old self with the added twenty pounds. And the duo of Alexander-Evans at linebacker to date has been the worst group Oklahoma has fielded in quite possibly 50 years, with neither bringing a lick of ability as pass rushers.
I understand that things were so bad as to almost demand a change defensively, but a change of leadership is what was needed…not another change in scheme. As long as that continues and their is no clear identity on that side of the ball it will continue to be the same story it is every offseason.
Do you not think with a change in leadership would have resulted in a change in scheme? No coach wants to come in and be told they have to run a specific defense. This change up puts Miike back to something he is more familiar and comfortable with and I believe will yield better results. Also striker is playing out of position but has enough speed to be able to blow by most lineman from that far out and it gives him the ability to still drop into coverage from that spot. So having an undersized hybrid safety type in that spot, to me, makes perfect sense.
yeah if you can make ol’ boy from bama look mediocre, you’re doing soomething
You mean going back to the 4 man front that Mike Stoops used to put the worst defense in the history of the University of Oklahoma on the field???
Sometimes people can’t see the forest for the trees.
Eric Striker is NOT some unstoppable force as a pass rusher that can run by any player. Much like Trevor Knight he has shown to be an OK player with the exception of his pass rushing against Alabama. Though he was still run through in that game on the ground as he was a non factor against the run.
You find a system that works, recruit the ideal players to play in that scheme and work it so as they can play fast and without thinking. Changing schemes every year will just continue to create massive inconsistency like it has been doing.
The fact that you are arguing for a safety to play defensive end really disqualifies you from a football discussion though….
Seriously….in this new defense where is the pass rush going to come from???
I see the Seattle comparison from above, but I am not sure anyone on here has actually watched that defense and seen what they do in passing situations. They put as much speed and as many pass rushers on the field as the can, Bennett kicks inside to a defensive tackle role, and they get after people.
Paul, I get what you are saying but let’s look at recruiting. Who’s behind Striker? Obo & Bond both 240+. Deberry will be playing there and he’s 250 so it seems like they are recruiting for this scheme. The 3 DL are all around 300 which is bigger than the 4 DL that Mike trotted out in the early 2000s. All new DL recruits fit this bill and are even bigger so I would say they are on target with the recruiting.
In what is basically a 4-2-5 the ideal place for pressure would be up the middle of overloading either side. That defense that was historically the worst in OU’s history was 10 yards and 1 point per game better than last years team, so if you’re against a change because of that then you should get a new argument. Also on recruiting to a system and what not, OU has the players on this team to play a 4-2-5 and switch to a 3-3-5 with players on the roster. I’m also not all for a safety playing defensive end I am however all for a hybrid playing a role in this defense suited perfectly for him. Just as I believe K said TCU has been doing it and it seems to work pretty damn well for them. I also don’t think Striker is an unstoppable force but I do know from watching this OU team he is the best pass rusher they have but don’t want it to be that he is coming on a blitz every single play, so the logical thing to do is put him into a position where he can blitz and drop into coverage and it look the same, crazy concept I know, but it seems to work to confuse QB’s. Lastly they have been running this 3-4 and have gotten worse not better, in other words it’s not working.
Edit-
I forgot to mention that Striker being in that spot allows him to or the safety to pick up the RB out of the backfield of the offense motions him out and eliminates the issues in the run game they had with the 4-3
K. With Striker being a full-time stand up end, is this really and even front? Also, isn’t he way undersized to be on the los full time?
Dom A? Are you serious? He is the better tackler of the two LBS.
The backup 3 to Walker will be the big Canadian when he arrives. Take that to the bank
Probably a pretty good bet
I’d love to see him get some early playing time this year.
Give him playing time, plus easing him to the next level. I vote yes, for what that’s worth.
When Gallimore shows up and gets some good technique coaching he is going to be a terror on the DL. I still can’t believe how freakishly athletic he is to be so big.
Neville could definitely play that spot but he’s extremely raw so it’ll be a question of whether he can learn what he needs to learn. But man, when he does…he could be a terror inside. His coach played him as a 290 lb OLB his jr season lol
Said it b4, its a 3-3-5 defense. Don’t care how they try to spin it as 4-2-5.
Its a 3-3-5 defense designed to slow down the spread, will it work? We will see, but id rather have 5 DB’s on the field than 4 LB’s when facing Baylor/TCU & co.
That’s what WVU(3-3-5) ran and they beat Baylor with it, throwing in a lot of middle blitzes that made the QB uncomfortable.
Baylor adjusted against OU by Petty taking the snap and throwing, no drop back, just catch and throw. It worked because of the coverage OU DBS were playing. But playing tighter on the LOS can make Petty hold it longer.
So I am having a hard time understanding the 4 man front. We just split LB coaches between ILB and OLB. If we are running a 4-2-5 are there now no OLB’s or is Kish coaching one and Mike the other? Maybe we are going to a 4-4-3; the DB’s were so bad last year we will just get rid of one or two.
Again 3-3-5
So we have Kish coaching 1 ILB? The ILB/OLB distinction is one made for the 3-4.
2 ILB’s. Remember schemes can change depending on what teams run. You might see a 3-4 at times with 4 LB’s and 4 DB’s or the 3 LB formation. Its going to be multiple would be my guess
Problem is I also keep hearing 5DB’s too. Sounds like we are running either a 3-4-5 or a 4-3-5. I think it would be stout, just not sure the refs would allow it.
As long as they are more than five yards from the line of scrimmage they will never notice. 😉
Whatever they run as long as the Qb is being attacked and coverage is tight on LOS we’ll be okay.
If they run a 3-4-5 or a 4-3-5 I’ll fire Mike myself.
IDK, if he can get away with always having 12 guys on the field, then he should be commended, not fired. Just sayin’.
Yeah, the premise I was working with is that he wouldn’t get away with it. They’d probably call it right after a big stop.
Maybe they’ll let Mike use the 4-3-5 when K St runs their OL men 10 yards past the LOS play.
Well I doubt they’d run either of those considering that’s 12 guys on the field. But then again, I wouldn’t put it past Mike.
Yep. Just because Striker is close to the line of scrimmage doesn’t mean he’s a defensive end.
Still that’s a 4-3. What’s with the ILB/OLB distinction in coaches? Sounds like we have Kish coaching MLB and nothing else.
3-4 with some twist to it. If Stiker crosses the LOS, he will be a blitzing LB.
Yeah, I just can’t make sense of that and the fact I keep hearing 5DB’s. Of course, it is Spring Practice, maybe they are just experimenting with something.
It could be many things, including new coaches getting to know who they have and what to work with.
Yeah I get that. Just strange that a few weeks ago you split you coaches up along lines that indicate a 3-4 alignment and then first practice you are running a 4-3 like schemes. Give you the feeling they don’t really have a plan.
The move was always done w/ the idea of freeing Mike up to focus more so on running the actual defense rather than positional responsibilities.
I get that. Still seems like a strange way to go about it. But not worth anymore virtual ink.
It doesn’t give me that feeling at all. I view it as spring training, a time for conditioning, learning and team building.
Probably went in with the idea to be able to play multiple schemes is my guess. Think about it K St runs the read with very little passing ability, then Baylor comes out with 4 wides etc…you know have to be able to play differently.
He’s busy with recruiting as well.
So in the base defense, Mike has 1 guy on the field and that being Striker?
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update added – NO practice today
I’ve never been a fan of a 3 man front. To me you can do more with a 4 man front without having to sacrifice bodies at the line.
Well it looks like there will NOT be practice.
Concerning Spring practice schedule:
Does the team have so many practice days available, or only so much time available? Basically I am asking if they “lose” days, or are they able to just push them back and get the same amount of work at a later date?
Trying to figure that out as well.
http://www.ehow.com/list_6926711_ncaa-spring-football-practice-rules.html It looks like 34 days to complete 15 practices.
The only thing about this that disappoints me is the team leaders don’t have the full support of the team.
Was thinking the same thing. Practice should have resumed today in my opinion.
That makes bofus.
Why let this drag on? Does no good. Geez man get back on the practice field. This wasn’t 9-11. It does suck that the supposed team leaders can’t get everyone on the same page. Oh well, maybe they’ll show up for spring game.
Word is Chip Kelly LOVES Sam Bradford and thinks he’ll be a great fit for his system.
The thinking is, Kelly’s offense gets the ball out so quickly, Bradford will have less chances for injuries. GOOD LUCK SAM!!!!
On an NFL note, I’m glad Oakland is looking at more OU players….Lofton…Gresham possibly….MAYBE Demarco (sorry Dallas fan)……Mccoy in a couple of years. Ok, wishful thinking I know.
Lofton and Gresham not resigned by respective teams?
Lofton got cut, signing w/ Oakland per reports today. I believe Gresham was a free agent. Many are also expecting him to be a Raider as well.
Nice. Well, not that he got cut, but he should be a beast in Del Rio’s D.
Hopefully, but Oakland is such a crappy franchise…
You’re not lying. Hopefully Del Rio can bring them back to respectability. And I am just saying that as a general NFL fan. I live in Bronco country and they HATE the Raiders around here, lol..
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Damn you Dustin! I’m usually on top of that! I have goals to never be corrected!
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I didn’t, stole it from the public domain. 😀
…and city. Who would want to go play there?
ok yeah Oakland is a lil rough around the edges…ok really rough around the edges…..but if its between Oakland and Detroit….I’d go to the bay…
lived there for quite a while…its not that bad…but like most big cities…there are places…that if you ain’t from there…don’t go there…lol
Its a GREAT franchise…crappy stadium….and owner has a bowl cut…but besides that..
He does certainly Rock that bowl cut…
This resident Raiders fans says…Ouch! Mama says Jordan Esco is the Debil..lol…
as fans, what did you guys think of al davis? i’ve heard from some that loved him and some that didn’t. i, not a raider fan, and from an outsider’s perspective, loved him. thought he was very intelligent, had a great football mind and seemed loved by most of his guys
pretty innovative when he first took over. was really progressive and then as he aged was too stubborn in his ways (because he had won) to change with the game
thank you. i’m not a raider fan, but that history is nothing to sneeze at. any of you guys got some good reads to throw out there? books, links anything?
Well state Brent. He just lost his marbles. His insistence on taking Heyward- Bey a number of years ago instead of Crabtree was the epitome of his crazy draft choices.
Oh, and taking Jamarcus Russell #1.
He was slick and a shrewd business man until he started to experience loss of his faculties. Then he just became that old crazy dude in the owners box….
I second this. Horrible decisions on a daily basis….. Except for this one. And Bo. Bo was cool too.
Do these cancelled practices count against the allowed 15 spring sessions?
No.
Do they only have so much time to make them up? Like is there a certain date that ALL spring practice must stop?
Knowing the NCAA, I’m sure there is a date in which practices cannot go past but I do not know what that date is.
I think they all must happen within a 34 day period.
thanks!
Good reference to things I found here: http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2014/03/rutgers_football_ncaa_rules_for_spring_practice.html
In other news: Did C. Lofton just sign with my Raiders? Oh please please please…
Jordan Esco Mod Daddy R • 11 minutes ago
Lofton got cut, signing w/ Oakland per reports today. I believe Gresham was a free agent. Many are also expecting him to be a Raider as well.
They just signed Lofton and they’re trying to get Gresham as well. Looks like I have a new team to watch.
Thank God. About time Oakland got some OU Players on the roster. Gonna be a lot more fun to watch now. BOOMER!!
Stacey McGee is on their roster already. Hope he can get better and stick…if they are about to waive him already
That’s right Wilson…Thanks. Always checked to see how Stacy did every week when I didn’t get to watch the games.
I have been a Raiders fan since I was a little kid, going against the popular household choice of Dallas Cowboys. But, if they move to LA…I will boycott them again…until they move back to Oakland. Wish the City of Oakland would quit being so tight and just build a real football stadium instead of the athletic complex we have today. lol
it was cool going there for a few days at a time. thankfully we stayed in s.f. and took the bart over. but i would not want to play for the home side and would wanna watch bar rescue, if i were a fan and went to a game, just so i didn’t order food
I go back at least 3 or 4 times a year for work.
Touchdown Kansas City………
Bastage…..lol….
That would be great, man it’s been some dark days(years) for us Raida fans.
you see them going away…..lol I kid
i think
that there was an infatuation with sec defenses, particularly alabama, which
had stoops visiting with saban. then mizzou and atm showed up and
shredded those defenses. tcu stayed true to the 4-2-5 and has done well
in the big 12, full of spread offenses. so it was a certain degree of
flavor of the month that stoops got caught up in.
if tcu can perform well (their down years have been because of
anemic offense, not poor d) in the big 12 with ‘sub par’ athletes according to
scouting services – they are probably the best model to imitate – not the 3-4
schemes in the sec.
i think stoops saw what patterson did this year and was jelly.
it was his idea to start with – wide open spread offense with a stifling
d. i think the landry years lulled stoops in to a comfort zone which has
resulted in where we are.
i honestly don’t think we’ve had a killer instinct since that
77-0 beatdown of atm at home when we started kneeling on the 1 yardline… i think something changed that day – maybe it was all the negative backlash for the beating — and we’ve never had that same level of killer instinct again (consistently).
Pretty sure OU’s 2008 team was trying to eat everyone’s lunch… But for the most part, yes I think you are correct. Seems like the most recent good Sooner defenses have been 4-2-5.
NCAA rules on spring practice:
17.9.6.4 Spring Practice. [FBS/FCS] Fifteen postseason practice sessions [including intrasquad scrimmages
and the spring game permitted in Bylaw 17.9.5.2-(a)] are permissible. An institution is not required to count
as one of its 15 designated days any day during which countable athletically related activities are limited solely
to required conditioning activities and/or review of game film. Practice sessions must meet the following conditions:
(Revised: 1/10/90, 1/10/91, 1/10/92, 1/11/94, 1/13/98, 6/21/01, 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06, 12/15/06)
(a) All practice sessions are conducted within a period of 34 consecutive calendar days, omitting vacation
and examination days officially announced on the institution’s calendar and days during which the institution
is closed due to inclement weather.
(b) Any such practice sessions held during vacation days may not be of longer duration than those normally
held when academic classes are in session.
(c) Only 12 of the practice sessions may involve contact, and such contact shall not occur prior to the third
practice session.
(d) The noncontact practice sessions may involve headgear as the only piece of protective equipment.
(e) Of the 12 permissible contact sessions, eight sessions may involve tackling, and not more than three of
the eight tackling sessions may be devoted primarily (greater than 50 percent of practice time) to 11-on-
11 scrimmages.
(f) Tackling shall be prohibited in four of the 12 contact sessions. An institution has the discretion to determine
the practice activities (other than tackling) that may occur during the four contact nontackling
sessions as well as the protective equipment to be worn by the student-athletes.
(g) If an institution conducts a “spring game” per Bylaw 17.9.5.2-(a), the game shall be counted as one of the
three sessions that may be devoted primarily to 11-on-11 scrimmages.
(h) The amount of time that a student-athlete may be involved in such postseason countable athletically
related activities shall be limited to a maximum of four hours per day and 20 hours per week.
Free downloadable version
http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4355-2014-2015-ncaa-division-i-manual-august-version.aspx
Here is a dumbed down, much simpler version, IMO.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2014/03/rutgers_football_ncaa_rules_for_spring_practice.html
I read it. Just decided to go straight to the source to verify. Posted just in case anyone else wanted to, also. It covers all sports.
Appreciate you doing so!
Are any of the other sports teams cancelling practice? Seems a little much at this point. The football players are acting like it was directed solely at them. All the other athletes are carrying on with business at hand.
I’m not understanding what purpose it serves and I say that as someone with a very diverse background (including black ancestry). There was a day of reflection…the university acted swiftly…the media and students stood against the actions of the individuals…it’s been adequately responded to. This isn’t Selma and no one is being forced to sit at the back of the bus. This isn’t serving any purpose from where I sit and ultimately isn’t serving the players interests. I know there were a number of players that didn’t want to practice but the team leaders decision should have been respected.
i heard the basketball team is going to sit out of the big 12 tournament because of this.
Why not just sit out the NCAA tournament as well geez…be done with the season if it means so much to them…so close to getting a b12 title with a shot at the b12 tournament title…I hope you’re kidding
I’m definitely joking.
you got me
Have it from reliable sources that OSU will be sitting out the NCAA tournament. Not sure it has anything to do with ChantGate, though.
It would be more to do with them sucking
The number of players not wanting to practice should not have a say in the matter at this point. I agree, the one day was sufficient. They are here on scholarship to play football. Get your asses back on the field and move forward. Coach shouldn’t have let this drag on.
I completely agree. One day is sufficient to show both the teams contempt for what happened and at the same time team unity. The fact of the matter is that OU is installing a completely new offense and every single practice at this point is CRITICAL. The team leaders have it right….the ones who want to take the whole week off…not so much.
Too much tv. Too much coverage of the crap (my POV) that went on in STL/Ferguson and NYC after those incidents. It’s cool, or en vogue to protest, resist authority, or stand out in this way. Just the new generation, but I think people are protesting/demonstrating things they wouldn’t ordinarily, for that reason.
Obviously the idea that the actions of a few ignorant kids should have such a profound effect on the team and everyone else seems out of balance. But, the issue that causes it to rise above something for which one day of reflection is enough, is that it is merely the tip of the iceberg of a pervasive problem that all too often gets swept under the rug, as Striker mentioned in his interview with Kersey. Delance’s mom was completely offended by the video and related it to incidents in her background, which were the “personal reasons” that Delance decomitted. Letting a few days and Spring Break go by to allow the kids’ emotions to settle, is probably a wise thing at this point. Not a bad idea to err on the side of accommodating those who are most sensitive to the issue at this point. There are still many days left to cover the 14 or so remaining practices allowed.
Agreed! If somebody on the team was involved directly in the incident or a coach was involved this protest would make more sense. The incident required a response and all the individuals in authority have responded well and quickly. Not sure what is accomplished now by waiting to resume practice. Don’t want to be insensitive or downplay the event but there is also no need to make these idiots that were kicked out of school a bigger story. It seems that other racist individuals out there may look at this as a positive and be more motivated to try something like this again. It was distasteful, disrespectful, deplorable, and outrageous and the idiots that were involved should be ashamed.
this is a little ridiculous if you ask me. them boys better be ready to get after it once spring break is over. we have talent but lots of work to be done to get where we need to be.
Every other sport practicing right now is in mid-season. Football is not. Other that Basketball, the other spring teams have few if any black team members.
and football basically provides the opportunity for scholarships for the others. I’m sure they feel like the workhorses so if they have a bitch someone should listen. If Stoops is cool, it’s cool I guess. I’d love to strap up and play football on scholarship for the Oklahoma Sooners. Wouldn’t have to pay me squat. But I also am starting to gray and Schmitty wouldn’t like me one bit.
Thanks for clarifying. I had no idea the other teams schedules. Lol. Anyways, they should get back to work. That’s my opinion and shared by many on this site.
The point is you don’t see the Basketball team all in arms about it. They are handling business and I am sure it was discussed but that’s it discussed and let’s move on.
I know I’m not in their position or from the same background, but when someone pisses me off, I usually want it to at least appear what they did did not bother me. I would rather smile at them and go on with business as usual. But regardless, please don’t get me wrong, I understand wanting to take some time to reflect, heal and show unity.
Is this non practicing by the FB team fueled by unhappiness with the SEA thing piled on top of a feeling that Mixon and Shannon didn’t get a fair deal from the University?
Doubt it. Mixon and Shannon were allowed back and the two racists are gone forever.
Ok this is stupid!!! First Mixon was lucky he didn’t get kicked out of school period for what he did, he paid his dues and is now back and practicing and has a chance to make things right, white or black you don’t punch a woman. Second do you know Frank Shannon and know the whole situation or just assuming he was giving a raw deal, again by what I hear him being suspended was due to his own accord and actions. I know players where unhappy with the Shannon deal but, never heard a one complain about the Mixon deal. Let’s not make this a bigger deal then it already is by throwing gas on an already burning fire.
Chill Brien, LT asked as he’s been out of touch.
I feel you man, but, let’s not bring up the Mixon and Shannon deals in relation to the SEA deal, all different situations.
At least get it right. It’s sae.
All good, I’ve read your stuff and you bleed it so we on the same team. There is one on this site that curls my hair and I have to sleep on it before I will respond. After a night of sleep, it’s not a big deal so I move on.
Can’t wait till spring practice.
Oh yea there is a few on here that I think they for sure speak like they know more than they really do, that drives me crazy. I have thoughts and outlooks but no real knowledge other than my own speculation. I am for sure looking forward to the spring practices resume and the Red-White game in April, which I am planning on making this year if all goes according to plan. I am always excited for the season, I love football in general but college and OU football is where my heart is always will be.
Brien, Whoa big fellow, can the heat. I ask a reasonable question. The team took the week off because some frat punks said something deplorable.
Sorry it got your panties in a wad.
Sorry man! I just didn’t want there to be any more things to be added on to an already burning fire. I do think there was players mad about the Shannon deal like I said but Mixon was given what he dealt himself basically. I am sorry I blew my top but, I am just mad that this is an issue still to this day I was raised you love everyone despite color, race, anything and we had no right to judge. I was out of line just felt there was things that needed to be said to make things clear I just went about it the wrong way.
No problem, thanks.
Hopefully practice resumes this week…
https://twitter.com/EricBaileyTW/status/575703484474904577
I don’t understand. Are they really that upset? Are they trying to prove a point? What? IMO, the only thing to do is get back on the field. You had your protest/vigil. Now, go back to work and show the world that ignorant racist comments will not dictate your lives. Just my $.02. What do I know?
yeah just like baseball post 9/11. you respectfully don’t play for a period and then you get back to it. but that involved the loss of life so definitely not trying to equate the 2. but i’m sure we will see the method to the madness soon enough
Perhaps the move back to a 4-man front is because Jordan Phillips.
Evidently there are some very serious issues on campus. This football team is going thru an amazing situation that has always been here. Now the magnitude of this will show this team resolve, that will give them a new strength in their will to face tough moment’s off the field translating to on the field. This team no doubt will be stronger. Boomer
Ok, I’ll ask, what are the issues that no wants to discuss?
I’d rather not say.
Id love to tell you but Ive been told not to discuss it.
that information is secret squirrel akin to double secret probation
apparently they are both indescribably huge and also of tremendous long standing. Things that would change your perception of the spacetime continuum…and have been sitting in front of you your entire life…but that you, and I and others not in the know have just been unable to grasp.
I’m betting it’s either a) the active control of OU by space aliens, or, b) that Santa Claus is real.
LOL, that explains it.
Come on man….this was supposed to be a secret!
No problem, if it is that bad, we are in trouble.
let’s end this part of the thread.
…..this really helps…….
……http://newsok.com/eric-striker-on-the-recruiting-impact-of-the-racist-sae-video-what-parent-would-want-to-send-their-child-here-now/article/5400087?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Eric Strikers quote
“It’s hard because how do I justify them { recruits }being around some of these people? No parent would want their kids around those people. I don’t think my mother would let me come here. I don’t think I’d want to come here, either. Who wants to send their child around that?”
Easy Eric, you justify it by telling recruits that the stupidity and ignorance that happened on that bus is by no means unique to Oklahoma University and that one can find that kind of ugly prejudice on any campus in the country. Simple enough.
Sorry but I dont think that Eric Striker handled that well at all.
This was brought up in yesterday’s Open Post.
didn’t catch it ’til now on os………thxs
I can see why no practice makes sense to the players. I think spring break is tomorrow or something? Take the time off, come back fresh and focused. The incident will be further away time wise. Remember these are still basically kids, for the most part we adults know how the world works. Get kicked in the groin one day, back to business the next. They may need a little more time to get their minds right and focus on the task.
As long as it doesn’t count against the allotted few spring practices, I’m good.
That’s not a bad point. You could be right. Clear Their heads, come back rerefreshed and ready to learn and work. I just hope none of the guys run into any SAEs from other schools or anything like that. Just have a bad feeling. Pray I’m wrong. I remember spring break in Padre where every fraternity had a flag stuck in the sand on the beach. I just get bad vibes when thinking about it.
Agree. After seeing that Dak Prescott video, I would think alot of them would lay low for Spring Break. That was bad.
It sounds from this article and statements from members of ‘Unheard’ that this runs much deeper. We all have work to do in accepting others.
“”The All-Big 12 linebacker — perhaps best known for tormenting Alabama
quarterback AJ McCarron in the 2014 Sugar Bowl — said he and his
teammates have kept quiet about the way they’ve been treated in the past
at fraternity parties — and not just SAE events.””
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-football-eric-striker-cant-stay-silent-any-longer/article/5399890
why are you at the parties anyway? most of these young men are too young to be drinking anyway and if you don’t like the atmosphere, don’t go. there are more and better things to do than go hang out at frat parties. I’m not condoning racism or anything that goes on at those parties to make someone uncomfortable but each person has a choice on whether or not to show up…if you continually put yourself in a bad situation then that is on you….IMO
Did you read the Striker article? They will be invited and used as way to make the party seem cool and then show up to said party and treated wrong. Also, parties and college (for that matter just being a young adult) go hand in hand. If there are not the appropriate age they should not be drinking but not all parties are about getting drunk. Don’t have a problem with this at all.
so because you are invited it’s ok to put yourself in situations where you have a good chance of being treated poorly (assuming this happened more than once)? and no, I don’t agree that being young and partying go hand in hand, not everyone chooses to do that. not judging those that do, but you kind of set yourself up for unnecessary risk if that’s how you think it has to be.
Why should those who are not racist change their behaviors, but not those who are racist?
I’m wondering why those who do not represent the values of OU shouldn’t have to change their behaviors, but those who do should…
no one said that anyone acting like a racist shouldn’t need to change. My point is, if the players know this is something that happens, why keep going? they can go and do the same things just somewhere else. and if there was a problem like the racist stuff happening, go tell someone in authority, get it into the light so that those disgusting people can be seen for who they are and things like this can get dealt with before it gets out of control and on a national platform.
thxs for the post…….guess I’m late on a few articles
It’s not isolated to OU either.
solution: don’t go to frat parties.
Hell, I’m mostly white and was a frat member and was treated badly at some parties. So I didn’t go back.
D-baggery is epidemic
Don’t solve the problem, just run away from it. Come on, now…
what do you solve by going back?
some problems aren’t soluble. Institutionalized racism is soluble. Individual assholery really isn’t. Middle ground? Eliminate any connection between the frats and the U. And learn to identify dbags and avoid them. Plenty of decent, non-greek, people to hang with.
And now…back to our regularly scheduled programming…OU football. Intrigued by the idea of OU being ‘multiple’ and more use of the even front. Makes me think we will see something of a 4-2-5 with an extra safety or maybe a CB on passing downs. Whatever gets those guys up front using some of that mad speed they have been showing during winter workouts. Need to be in attack mode with Walker and Tapper.
No updates in the Pro Day thread. Anything worth noting? I had three observations.
Wort listed at 257 lbs. Typo?
Julian Wilson’s hands are different sizes!?!?!
No numbers for Trey Franks. Did he do anything?
Nobody seemed all that interested, so I just linked to where OU was posting the official results.
Is there something else going on? 😉
Saw something on DGB leaving because his gf is preggo. Sounds he may have wanted to stay and play one year but gotta do what you gotta do I guess.
But Jay Norvell excuse.
This creates quite the dilemma as an OU grad and Cowboys fan…
Broyles going too? I’m sure they could use a slot wr.
I hope Ryan goes somewhere where he can get a chance.
He needs to come to the Cowboys, we just lost Dwaine Harris so we need a slot/punt returner
what about the little white kid? beasley? is he still there?
Just signed a 4 year deal with Dallas
i thought he was there. he’s good, to me. good little slot kid. and can return punts, if memory serves
He returned 10 punts in 2013. I’m sure if he needs to, he can do it again in 2015.
awesome. thanks. where would i be without you doing research?
Somewhere you wouldn’t want to be
here?
Yeah, but without me. Ugh, what a horrible thought.
Yes and he starts at slot but then Harris is his sub. Harris is also starting PR
Gotcha. Yeah I thought he was still there. He’s pretty good
Isn’t Gresham also available?
They just got Mathews won’t happen
No way do they rely on Mathews to be the primary back. There’s not a bone in his body that isn’t made of glass which is a shame, because he is talented.
They’ll take both.
Spread offense, ok. Many say that when it may not be appropriate. Murray, at least in 2008, was in a running game based on the inside and outside zone and power. But, you know, whatevs, Morty.
Let’s get Murray, Broyles & AD to Philly with Sam. I’ll use my Rams tees for dustrags and have a renewed interest in the City of Brotherly Love.
Practice notes are gonna be really hard to come by this week I guess.
fellas are making a nice little run today
http://www.golfstatresults.com/public/leaderboards/gsnav.cfm?pg=team&tid=6695
bottom 3 are sec. me likey
That’s nice. No way to catch up to Texas but 2nd place with that field is impressive.
yeah. those douchers seem pretty good. but yeah 2nd AND going off today. i love, in all sports, finishing. good sign of coaching and having a head strong team and, in certain instances, conditioned
Damn those douchers. And, totally agree with finishing.
Did you say fishing? I saw on ESPN several fishing competitions with OU against Arkansas and other schools. Bass & catfish along with noodling. Crazy, had the team name on the boats and shirts.
haha. that would be awesome. watch OU shove that Bill Dance hat where it belongs
Speaking of fishing, the 2016 Bassmaster Classic is coming back to my lake. Grand Lake O’ the Cherokees.
this has got to be at the top of the list of things i never thought I’d say: Go Eagles!!
Sammy. Lane Johnson. And “Maybe” Demarco.
Thanks for the information on the 4-man front. Please correct me if I am wrong.
This would be a 4-2-5 defense.
In this D, instead of the nickel back, think weak side safety. So you would have Strongside ILBer, WILBer, WS, SS, FS, and 2 cornerbacks. Striker and the nose tackle would be on the strong side and the 3-tech DT would be on the weakside. Think WDE for the 5-tech DE.
Here is a possible depth chart for the spring:
Defense
SDE (7)
Erik Striker 19 (Sr)
Devante Bond 23 (Sr) or Obo 82 (Soph)
NT (1)
Matthew Romar 92 (Soph)
Jordan Wade 93 (Jr)
DT (3)
Charles Walker 97 (Soph)
Matt Dimon 90 (Jr)
WDE (5)
Charles Tapper 91 (Sr)
Dwayne Orso 99 (RS Fr)
SILB
Jordan Evans 26 (Jr)
Tay Evans 9 (RS Fr)
WILB
Curtis Bolton 18 (RS Fr)
P.L. Lindley 40 (Sr)
LCB
Zack Sanchez 15 (Jr)
Stanvon Taylor 6 (Jr)
SS
Hatari Byrd 4 (Jr)
Brian Walker 41 (RS Fr) WO
FS
Steven Parker 11 (Soph)
Ahmad Thomas 13 (Jr)
WS
Ahmad Thomas 13 (Jr)
Tito Windham 3 (RS Fr)
RCB
Jordan Thomas 7 (Soph)
Will Johnson 12 (Soph)
update added – new OL offer
Pretty good feet for a big man
Geez, that Autry kid is quick on his feet and he has a mean streak too. I don’t think he’s happy until his guy is on the ground.
I predict some possible OU football happenings tonight. Love that Adrian Hardy guy though. Fluid as water.
So we’re a 4-2, one-gap defense now. Thanx for the breakdown on that. Our current talent would appear to prosper in that scheme. Wonder what, if any, influence our new D-Line coach had with the change.
Duvernay is impressive!
Sounds like a 4-2-5/3-3-5 hybrid defense with Striker at the 7. I like the idea since we have the personnel for it. Plus our current recruiting exploits to bring in a 3-4 won’t be lost since this hybrid style could utilize those athletes fine. Plus less pressure about our current lack of LB numbers.
And our lack of a big two-gapper like Jordan Phillips.
Autry looks like he enjoys finishing what he started.
Where do Deberry and McGinnis fit into this scheme?
DeBerry would play Striker’s position and McGinnis would play ILBer.
McGinnis would move OLB on passing downs according to what Kish has told him when recruiting him…he’s not a coverage backer…but if we’re moving to 43 then I could see Mike
Didn’t even have to finish Duvernay’s tape….dude’s a player.
It seemed on every play in the video there were jock straps scattered all over the field.
Hard to believe someone that elusive is so tall.
We can call him Dangerous Devin. Every time he touches the ball he’s dangerous. He can take it to the house every time. You can’t teach instincts and ability.
TFBs see if you can find out anything on a kid named Orrin (OJ) Walker from Ardmore..he avg’d over 14 a carry (1400+ on 100 carries) and like 44 on KOs in class 5A as a junior…he’s a short (5’7 150) guy but very shifty with speed…fig he’d be getting some looks…maybe you guys could help out
man its fun seeing sammy happy. he looks like he can’t wait to get started. very glad for him