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*Ed. Note – So even though this is listed as authored by ‘The Brainiacs’, it was actually written by Gabriel Alcocer. Who is a friend of TFB and kind enough to share with us his insight into some of what OU’s new offensive coordinator, Lincoln Riley, has done in the past and perhaps some of what OU fans can expect to see in 2015.
What’s up y’all!? This post is intended to provide a quick and dirty look at OU’s new offensive coordinator, Lincoln Riley. What you’ll see below are embedded draftbreakdown.com videos of Justin Hardy vs USCe and UF, two semi-powerful SEC foes. I included these two games mainly because it showed how Riley’s offense performed against defensive units that may have had more talented personnel than ECU’s own. Of course, that’s certainly up for debate as the ECU offense was able to move the ball very well against a schedule that included the above two teams, as well as Bud Foster’s famed Va Tech defensive unit.
Also, if you’re not familiar with this format, let me explain. I’m terrible at editing and embedding video and have limited time. Instead, I like to take notes about what I’m seeing and then discuss them in general terms. You can watch the videos before and/or after the descriptions. Let’s get started.
I became familiar with Lincoln Riley’s offense last year, when he was rumored to be a candidate at Texas. Lincoln’s offense strikes me as a coherent and integrative approach to combining classic “Air Raid” concepts to the run, play-action, and read-option game. The pass game integrates with the run game in that the base zone and power (gap) schemes are primarily utilized in the read-option, play-action, and quarterback movement game. This can be a headache for defensive players as the majority of standard down and distance plays will all appear the same, especially if keying on OL steps and/or movement.
Adding to that, I was surprised how ‘multiple’ the offense can be. I noted personnel that ranged from “20” (2 RB, 0 TE), empty, to “12” (1 RB, 2 TE). With regard to formations, it ranged from your typical 2 X 2 spread set to I-formation alignments with the QB under center. Base runs include zone (inside, outside, slice, and lead) and a Power-style gap scheme with the backside guard pulling around the center and leading into the A-gap. The beauty of those schemes are that they tend to be excellent for use in read-option and play-action. As far as the pass game is concerned, you may note shallow crossing routes (good versus man coverage), deep crossing routes (think Y-Sail), a lot of flat combination routes (slant-flat, curl-flat), deep out routes, and of course 4-verticals, some of which contain option routes like seam-read. So, let’s watch some football.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwGfmRpOwAQ
What stands out most to me from the USCe video are the packaged plays. Many quick-game pass concepts will be paired to base run schemes with the read player being one of the linebackers, i.e. 2nd-level reads. What I really like about read-integrated offenses is that the consistent alignment and QB/RB mesh gives the defense the same look without tipping a read, or more traditional play-action concept. Of course, these will tend to be quick-to-intermediate level passing concepts paired with base run schemes.
When Riley wants to attack deep, he’ll change the mesh and the QB will take more steps on his drop. Also notable, I like that some traditional bootleg concepts are adapted to the shotgun alignment. These often help to manipulate the linebackers with run action one way, while bringing a crossing route behind them the opposite way. A couple of plays that stood out in this video are the delayed wide receiver screen paired with run-action at 1:30, and the packaged double screen at 2:16, a wide receiver screen paired with a running back slow-screen. Also note the offensive line releases and blocking, well designed and coached.
These constraint plays need to be well-coached and executed with attention to detail. They serve to protect the offense’s base concepts as well as punish defensive over-play. Let’s move on to the Florida game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgzp2WrS3a8
In this game we see a bit more multiplicity. For instance, the use of the I-formation in short yardage. It’s good to see a spread football coordinator carry this set in his overall approach, a contingency often lacking in spread offenses.
At 0:43 you’ll see ‘Spot’ paired with a quarterback sweep. This is another 2nd-level read on the linebacker, who opens to take away the quick-game pass concept. So the quarterback simply pulls it down and follows his pulling lineman on the backside, again, well-conceived.
A lot of this is made possible by Riley’s understanding of basic defensive assignments, as well as how formations distort defensive structures. At 4:01 you’ll see a play, I don’t even know what to call, out of a split-back shotgun formation, the left guard and tackle pull, lead around the center through the A-gap, while the “fullback” arc blocks the unblocked defensive end. What I suspect here is the end is the read man and if he attacks the running back, he will be bypassed by the arc blocker and the quarterback will keep it and have a lead blocker on the backside of the play, another well-conceived play. What do you call it though?!?
Speaking of the split-back shotgun formation, Riley will utilize this — as opposed to the diamond formation — to create favorable match-ups outside and/or in the box. Depending on the safety look, 1-high or 2-high, the quarterback can easily check into a read-run or pass. Another motif I liked is the movement of the TE, specifically, motioning him out wide. Again, it’s all about distortion and creating numbers advantages from sideline-to-sideline, forcing the defense to pick it’s poison.
I’ve also been impressed with the way Riley will attack in the red zone, and his tendency to be aggressive. As seen on the first touchdown in the video above, he calls a back shoulder seam. Riley, as many of you know, is a former wide receivers coach, so it doesn’t surprise me that this group excelled at ECU. Another example is at 6:47, look at the receiver releases, fake blocks, and the rub on the corner-flat, dropped!
One thing I didn’t get into much is the quarterback position. But from what I’ve sees, there are plenty of easy reads in this offense. And more often than not, there is only one player the quarterback is being asked to read. The offense is coherent with all the ‘bells & whistles’ of a modern spread-option attack.
Well, there are my thoughts in a nut shell. Given the Sooners’ penchant for finding wide receiver talent, not to mention tight ends and running backs as well, Lincoln Riley stands to field an aggressive offense. One that should be able to attack from sideline-to-sideline, as well as all three zones of coverage.
I hope you enjoyed. Please share your thoughts.
303 Comments
First of all, thanks for the breakdowns. I do have one question…based on what we see above, who is the best QB to run this type of thing? There are three different styles on campus right now and I still can’t figure out who is the guy they are going to want to run it.
I have a few friends on the team and they told me that Lincoln Riley met with all 4 qbs saying that it is a completely open competition (hence why Cody quit baseball). Being that all 4 are decent runners, it should go to who ever can complete the 15 yard pass. And from what we’ve seen in games could be Baker
..if it’s true that you have friends on the team, hope you will stick around the site as things progress…………. inside info, if you can post, is valuable esp since bobby will lock out/control the media ’til the season starts……thxs
for sure! I love this site haha. Friends with one RB, one QB and really close with 1 Corner
We need to remember that Baker excelled at taco tech against inferior opponents, and sucked eggs against good competition. I’m not refuting his talent at all, just trying to be realistic. He seems to be mature on and off the field, and performed quite well in last years spring game against the backups. I would assume Hansen would fit the spread best because of his size, but i really think that all 4 of the QB’s have certain talents that would potentially flourish in a particular offence.
IMO….it’s Cody Thomas or Baker Mayfield. Baker seems to be the accurate passer and has the experiance and an underrated quality….charisma.
If you look at back grounds, Cody Thomas was a pocket passer who was an Elite 11′ and passed for 4,100 yards, and only ran for 147 yards, Hansen passed for 3,000 and ran for 700, and showed more of a dual-threat QB. I always felt like Huepel was wanting Cody Thomas to do play not like Cody Thomas meaning Thomas isn’t a running QB. But both Thomas and Hansen are 6’4 which is pretty tall.
Very nice, this is what I am hoping for. An OC that makes the best use of the talent he has and doesnt force the issue with guys who can’t make the play. Riley seems to be that guy. I expect a very vanilla scheme in the spring and into the fall, until OU heads to Knoxville
Awesome write up…but I have to say, that pic of Riley makes me think of uncle Rico: ” Napoleon, you can leave!”
Just a note to let you know, I cant open the daily news… page not found.
Me neither.
same here
ME TOO!!! Ain’t we the same, guys?
…Guys?
they went to brunch without you 🙂
Will it ever end?!?
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Perfect reply!
Hey, it’s up now!
Really excited about this offense next year. Still think Perine is getting 15-20 runs a game with Ross Ford and Mixon combining for another 15-20 touches via run and pass. Really think Mark Andrews and Carson Meir can do well in this offense
15 to 20 runs is not enough for Perine.
It is depending upon what the defense gives you.
Nope. Perine is the best player on this offense. Those few carries? This offense will not succeed. He needs at least 25 carries a game.
I don’t see why he can touch it 25 times. If we have 90+ plays and half are running, then there is plenty of wiggle room for 25. Agree, he needs to touch it 20-25 a game.
You dont get any points for number of carries. That’s just not smart. You do what scores. If other teams want to load the box you hurt them until they move out. when they do you hurt them with run. I’ve seen all the handoffs into 8 man fronts I care to out of our offense.
When the passing game puts up the points it’s supposed to, the natural order of things is to start running the ball/clock. Perine will more than likely get a ton of carries in the second half, if the passing game can be established.
Thanks for the write-up.
Has anyone watched enough of his games to know if he tailors his offense from game to game to take advantage of the opposing teams weakness’? Also does he make in game adjustments fluidly?
Nice write up. Not necessarily an indictment on LR but when Riley was hired I remember reading an ECarolina fan stating ECU generated a lot of yards between the goal lines but had trouble punching it in. Appeared to be the case in the USCe video and it was definitely the case in the Florida bowl game, having watched it.
I would say ECU doesn’t have the OL or Perine that Riley will have to work with in the RZ. Time will tell.
this is what i think as well. with bede’s and the oline he’s building and that large human with the football coming in behind them, you’d think we’d be ok
Or its just the fact that no fan base is ever satisfied with their teams red zone performance. If you scored on every trip the entire season but one, there are still some fans that would complain. Its not like ECU could be assumed to have superior talent in every match up and expect to score every time. Their average recruiting rankings were in the 70’s. A number of the teams they played were definitely better than that.
that’s a good point. the ol’ “i’m not perfect at anything i do, but you gotta be” routine. that one’s gotta be up there with amos/andy, laurel/hardy and abbott/costello
In other words typical Internet “fan.” People complaining about how an eighteen year old kid performs in front of a television audience of millions who will never accomplished as much in their entire life as he has at eighteen.
haha. yep. i just love the ones showing up now that hide derision in their posts or “say something nice” but it always includes a disclaimer, for example..i can’t wait to see what riley does with this offense, if he’s left alone or so happy for monty to follow his dream, if that’s what he’s doing and not just getting outta dodge or our offense is gonna be so totally rad if someone doesn’t screw it up
Yeah, though I have to admit I had a tendency in my younger days to make those kinds of comments.
For some the older they get the better they were, while with others the older they get the better they are.
I hope I am one of the later.
Having observed your pixels, I would say you are.
That is very good! Lol!
Understandable but I would venture a guess that most of these are not young and some are not fans
Yeah, I just can’t understand investing a lot of time and energy into something that the only thing you can say about it is bad. I get that last year was not up to standards, but I also recognize how unreasonable those standards are given the bigger picture.
Exactly. I said last night that people are so angry at themselves for going all in on Bob because he won it all his 2nd yr and hasn’t won since that getting back doesn’t count. I don’t care about opinions. People have and can express em all they want. Its just the people who learn that Bob likes corn flakes for breakfast will get on here, not to disagree, but to full on bitch about him liking corn flakes or Bob doesn’t have time for breakfast he should be fixing whatever we perceive to be broken that need to go elsewhere or grow up
I agree, MoJo. Looking forward to seeing what this O will look like.
Hopefully he realizes what our running backs can do. You have to be multiple,to beat good defenses.
OU was also up and down between the 20’s with previous OC’s.
I’m very concerned about our direction, because if Bob doesnt get it right he won’t be around long.
Your defense also has to practice against the run to be ready to stop the run.
If we can throw that will in itself be a change. If you add it to the run we got a winner.
TFRB
That was great. I enjoyed the entire write-up, but this jumped out at me early:
“QB/RB mesh gives the defense the same look without tipping a read” I like.
This is the kind of thing that makes us come back despite the site problems.
I’m hopeful those have been resolved now. Please let me know if that’s not the case.
It’s working for me now. However, don’t sweat it. I am a software developer by trade so my pain tolerance is pretty high when it comes to flaky software.
I know, but it never should have been as bad as it was IMO. But whatever, just glad it appears to be working now.
Yeah, but if I had a dollar for every time I could have said the same thing about a piece of software, I would own a small island in the Caribbean right now.
Seems to be working fine, though the number of comments on the main page says 7 for this thread, and its over 90 already… weird. But I can read, post, and enjoy well enough!
Perhaps you should try rebooting it? ha.
Poke from my old Support days.
This site is fantastic IMO. You guys are not some major outfit. You are pretty small and with that in consideration, I think its above what anyone should even expect. With as much traffic as you guys get, it is amazing the site runs so smoothly.
Just my 2 cents.
I’ve never had a problem, other than speed. My iPhone I often end up loading a 2nd time. Not sure if I need to, I just do after it takes some time to load. Computer has been fine.
-great write up. easy to follow. thank you
-posts from previous days seem to have an up to date count
-however daily news wouldn’t load this a.m. but have heard it does now. i checked and it does indeed work.
thanks for all the hard work fellas. very much appreciated
I once was lost, but now I’m found…thanks Jordan
This offense will require a very efficient, precise QB who makes accurate throws quickly. All 4 QB’s on campus have potential and I see all 4 pushing each other hard this Spring.
But without a solid QB, this offense won’t work. I still believe Riley will utilize our RB’s much more than any tape from ECU shows, so that should take some pressure off them (but not much)
He’s never had the running backs he will have here so I think its hard to judge him before we see him call any games. I think he’s going to utilize the strengths very well and I wouldnt be surprised if this season you see a slightly more than 50% run call.
And I think he will find a QB that can get it done. Part of me really wants knight to be the guy but the other part of me wants to see Thomas because #14 has been a good omen in the stoops era.
I really like the facts that all 4 QBs will be starting even. Riley ( and BS ) will have the whole spring and fall practices to pick the QB who best understands and executes the system. This will create greater competition and probably better results as an end result. I honestly believe that at least one or two of them will end up being not only good but maybe even superior QBs.
In his interview yesterday, LR acknowledged the backs having the deepest talent depth all around. He also doesn’t want to be defined as a pass happy or run only which strikes me as a intelligent way of overcome weekly strengths using the best players available and more importantly, a dynamic playbook. Now, I’ll taper expectations, till Fall but I don’t think I remember JH making any such response… (vs. the usual “players need to execute” stuff)
I do agree that we NEED a QB that can throw consistently and accurately. IMO, I foresee him not naming a starting QB and rotating players in the fall
More importantly, I want a QB who makes good decisions and can throw pretty good. I don’t care how accurate you are if you make horrible decisions. What I like about LR is he doesn’t clutter the minds of the QB & WR’s.
Carden wasn’t that great of a QB, at least in my opinion. He made quite a few bad decisions and wasn’t really all that sound mechanically which hurt his accuracy. Also, the OL wasn’t anything to write home about either. To think about that and then see the type of production that ECU’s offense had in spite of it all, that’s pretty impressive.
Linc seems too emphasize simplicity in his scheme which makes up for the QBs shortcomings
I was impressed by this article and excited about what Riley can do at OU with talented players.
Really, DF, as you well know, no offense will work without solid QB play. Hopefully, one of the four will provide the quality play that OU needs. Improved offensive production will keep the D rested and motivated.
Solid work here, thanks for the write up. /excited
Awesome read with my coffee. The kind of insight I’ve come to expect from TFB. Thanx! Enjoyed it thoroughly.
I have complete faith in the coaches we have on campus. Call me a sunshine pumper, crimson kool-aid drinker, etc. but I am feeling very optimistic about the coming season. With the talent on hand, I think the Sooners will surprise some people. The QB’s on campus, are all very talented, highly recruited (coming out of H.S), so I choose to look on the bright side of the football.
Thanks for getting the bugs worked out, I about had a panic attack when I did not see a new brainiacs page this morning. All is good now.
Looks good just hope OU has a QB that can do this and he better not forget about Perine when OU is inside the 10 yard line!
An excellent read, and reason for offensive optimism – if Bob leaves him alone. I would be much more optimistic had Stoops not extolled the “Hal Mumme-Mike Leach Air Raid” during Riley’s intro presser. That worries me.
Awesome write up. Its info like this that brought me to TFB and cancel my pay site subscription. Love the creativity of this offense. Im stoked to see our skill guys execute this offense in Crimson & Cream. After reading & listening to Lincoln’s interview with Rodgers i’m more confident than ever that Bob made the right hire. Home run hire? Time will tell.
All depends on what it usually does, QB play. Getting off the field on 3rd down.
I see the potential, but if its 2nd and less than 4, I want to see some ground and pound. None of that stuff during LJ era. With the Running backs at OU it would be a real waste if one didn’t at least have 100+ yrd rushing per game.
Make the defense work for it by covering everything, no more 8-9 men in the box to stop the rush.
I think it should be noted that we’re simply watching Justin Hardy draft videos there…there seem to be a lot of concepts that will benefit the run. Plus, ECU had over 2000 yards rushing last year, so I think they can definitely mix in the run, if not focus on it entirely to open up the pass.
I am going to say that I think the success of next years offense is going to depend much more on the development of the OT’s than the QB’s.
“The pass game integrates with the run game in that the base zone and power (gap) schemes are primarily utilized in the read-option, play-action, and quarterback movement game. This can be a headache for defensive players as the majority of standard down and distance plays will all appear the same, especially if keying on OL steps and/or movement.”
This is what I like most and it’s a big part of what Baylor does.
One of the things that bothered me with Heupel was that I got to be pretty accurate at calling the play based on down and distance and formation. It seemed at times like we had one or two plays for each set. If I can see those things I am sure someone who knows what they are doing could.
Flowchart play scheming.
Exactly. I could call Heupel’s plays too based upon the same indicators and I think everybody else could too.
Seemed like he wanted the perfect play in every situation. I think that was the cause of a lot of the time outs. Problem is sometimes the best play is the one that shouldn’t work but does because the defense has over committed to stop the perfect one.
I think his own slovenly disorganization is what caused most of the timeouts.
That approach has been around a while, it baffles me that all/most don’t employ it.
I first saw it in the mid 80’s at my old high school when the OC installed it. His offenses were exciting and successful.
His name was Tom Thrower and had been the SEMO coach for many years.
http://www.dailystatesman.com/story/1795839.html
LR’s offense will be exciting but, historically, won’t produce championships. Leach’s handprint was on OU’s 2000 team but it produced nothing since.. Historically, teams with the ability to run & pass ( while having the OL to do both consistently ) as well as having a dominant defense win NC’s………..
Having a dominant D is what OU fans thought/hoped for last season. Scheme on offense isn’t going to win OU a NC. A coach who uses his talent available to their maximum ability will help, but it will always go back to how the Sooners play on D, whether they are a NC caliber team or not
We do not really know what the scheme will be at this point in time. Riley is a very creative and innovative coordinator and without question he will use the talent wisely, unlike the guy that just left. So, what’s say we wait and see what we will do offensively.
Bingo
OU has the line and the RB’s to allow for both just need a competent QB which I believ they have in Mayfield. Also the defense has the talent just needs the coaching so that’s a wait and see but the D could be great
The D looked to be taking some steps in the right direction at the end of the 2013 season. I don’t think that it’s too far of a stretch to see things getting a bit better next season what with the new secondary coach. If they play real press coverage and pressure the QB instead of dropping everyone back into coverage, I think we’ll be okay. But who knows…
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Ã…lways nice to see dissenting opinions around here attacked with name-calling instead of facts.
Not name calling; just calling him out for consistent negativity. Has he EVER posted anything that wasn’t negative?
Nope and often posts things that are highly offensive.
OK let him show some fact and he’ll get that respect.
We have an “Air Raid” OC, and Bedenbaugh has shown the ability to turn our OL into a real run blocking type OL…it seems that you have contradicted yourself.
OU has the line and the RB’s to allow for both with a competent QB his offense could be lethal. Also defense has the skill just needed the coaching so that’s a wait and see but could be great.
Inexperience in the secondary was a killer. Sometimes it was just to easy for opposing offense
Yeah, every OC in the Big-12 should send Willie Martinez a check. Left us bare in the defensive back field.
Yep, that miserable class of ’11 and not much from ’12 class either is biting them in the …
What I saw in those videos was a team that decides to throw out of the shotgun three times in a row when they have the ball inside the ten.
Did you also notice that team has an incredibly weak Oline and very average back.
Nice opener….4 score and 7 downs ago.
One question I have, despite the overall team performance recently, the offensive line seemed to really be a tough quality group. Does this new offensive scheme change in any way the type of OL recruits we are going after and/or does it help or hurt us going forward on the OL?
Thats an interesting question, but OU will put guys in the NFL at the position(esp OT), which means they are at least adequate in both even if they specialize in run blocking or pass blocking
The one wrinkle we don’t see here is the threat of an effective running game and how much that would help, not only in his play calling, but the success of the passing game overall. It seems evident to me that if we can run the ball, this scheme could seriously gash any defense especially the 10-15 yard crossing routes. A good tight end makes this all the more effective.
I know this is a post about the offense but since the comments are wide and varying here goes…
How attractive is the d-line job right now? I understand OU is a premier name but there seems to be a bit of uncertainty at the moment. My impression is that Bob knows he has roughly a two year window to show improvement and, for better or worse, he has hitched his wagon to Mike’s ability to turn the defense around. I don’t know what JM’s reasons were for leaving, but I would think any high profile candidate would look at what just happened and have some serious questions about working under Mike. Both in personality AND the likelihood of success.
And since the same position is open at UT, is the job at OU more attractive and why (other than the obligatory Texas sucks)?
Please note that I am not saying the sky is falling, that Bob can’t make a home run hire, or that a high profile name is the answer. Just polling on what you all think the job might look like to an outsider.
That’s the elephant in the room right now isn’t it? Mike.
I hope I’m wrong and that Bob made the right call here but in either case the issue remains that you should never hire family precisely due to this type of situation.
First of all, a recent survey had Bob as the most respected coach amount other coaches. That means that the coaching profession does not see Bob the same way the OU message board denizens see him. Second, the average stint of an position coach is around two years, so being gone in two years doesn’t mean much. Three, the cupboard is fairly full at DL because of Monty’s recruiting. And four it is Oklahoma. Some coaches may not be interested but that would be true no matter what the situation.
I understand what you are saying, but defensive position coach’s success is tied to the d-coordinator’s scheme to some degree, right? And if I’m a high profile position coach that wants to make the jump to a coordinator spot in two years is Mike (not Bob), the one I want to roll with? I understand that OU is still OU, but Texas is still Texas. I would assume on name alone the job is at least in the top 10, but what differentiates it from the other 9?
Texas has the cash, yet OU has the championships and more tradition. If you want to build a resume, I would think you would want to go to the most successful program.
I am sure some will look at it your way and some will look at it my way. Bob does not have to convince all the good candidates out there, he only has to convince one. Some are going to see the positives and think this is the next step for them. Most of these guys have an ego and believe they can fix the problems. Look at Bob, when he came to OU it was a total cluster. One could ask why anyone would take the job given the mess that Boo Blake left it in. But he did, and Bob is not the only coach who has done that sort of thing. Does that mean Bob WILL hire a good DL coach? no. Does it mean he can? YES. After all he hired Monty after Venables leaving and after a defensive season in which we gave up a total of 97 points in two consecutive games (but won).
If you’re afraid of getting hit in the face, don’t take up boxing. I’m not sure I would want Bob to hire a coach who was afraid of a challenge. As far a OU or texas, that would likely be more of a personal choice. $ are negotiable based on past success and fit.
Yeah, lack of confidence is not usually a characteristic of a big time coach.
I am definitely not saying that Bob can’t make a great hire. But I think comparing a head coaching position where one gets to live or die by their own decisions is different. My overall point it that given the uncertainty surrounding Mike’s ability to get it done does that undermine the attractiveness of the job?
texas went 6-7 last year, so I’m not sure why a coach would be interested in them. Doesn’t seem like an attractive position to take over OU. And texaas lost their DL coach to another school (Fla). Why did he leave after only one year. Seems like Strong might just be too hard to work for. Who would want to go there just to ruin their own career?
Does it for some yes. But I don’t think it does for a lot of them. I don’t think Mike is perceived as being as incompetent by the rest of the world as he is by OU message boards. You are talking about a guy who was responsible for the defense during the Oklahoma resurgence and who was a head coach at a P5 conference. He did not just suddenly stop knowing how to coach. Now it does appear that he may have been out of the DC position long enough that he got behind the curve. And it may be that he is too inflexible to make the changes needed. But he did just switch to a defensive scheme that he was not familiar with in order to try and right the ship. That doesn’t sound inflexible to me.
In the end the question is can he right the ship? Bob seems to think he can and that carries a lot of weight with people. After all you are talking one of the winningest D-1 coaches of all time. Most people will assume he is right vs a bunch of guys on message boards.
Thanks. If I read that correctly then you agree that there are question marks about Mike, but you ultimately think that Bob’s confidence in Mike is enough to outweigh the question marks for most applicants.
For the record I don’t know if I am part of the “bunch of guys on message boards.” I do believe however that the recent performance on the field has opened the door for a legitimate debate/discussion.
Oh, I think the performance on the field is of legitimate concern. But I think most of us on here don’t have the information to fairly evaluate the root causes. We just see the results. I can’t tell you how much of last year was bad defensive scheme and how much was an empty cupboard left by the previous DB coach.
Bob obviously thought some things needed to change by the way he rearranged the staff. Whether that is the right answer I don’t know, only time will tell. However, the last few hires seem to have been good ones. Contrary to a lot of folks I think Bob has learned some lessons. I think he was trying to be the guy that helped out some of his buddies to get to the next level. But OU is not where you learn on the job. He seems to have realized that with his recent hires (after Mike) and that makes me think things may get better. If not, Castiglione has proved he can fire a coach and get the right one in place (see Jeff Capel to Lon Kruger).
Excellent post!
Bent Venables and now JM leave .
Is this because of MS?
It appears that way.
Nepotism should never be permitted or allowed.
MS is a dominant volatile personality that may prevent OU from hiring the best DL candidate.
BS has decided to sink or swim with his brother.
Boren should not have allowed BS to hire his brother to avoid a bad situation for OU and BS.
no one seemed to mind when we won the NC with him. I’m not his biggest fan but the guy didn’t forget how to coach a defense over night. we’ll be fine, as long as he is willing/able to adapt.
You have to grow your craft though.
Dominant personalities don’t adapt. They impose their will.
MS method of coaching lost the team in the bowl game.
I’m not arguing what you said, I agree that he has that personality, which is why I said he needs to be able to adapt. not just his scheme but how he presents things in general. if he can do that then we’ll be ok, if not,…this could be a very long season.
Adapt is the key word. I hope he can and will.
OU success should not depend upon MS ability to “adapt “
For the record, I’m not saying Mike can’t get it done. What I am saying is that I’m afraid an outsider will look at the recent history and move on to somewhere else.
I think the job looks great! First of all its Oklahoma. ESpin has us trending down but football coaches know OU is a great resume builder. Secondly it’s Bob. Coaches want to work for Bob. He’s highly respected in the profession. But you raise a valid point: how many guys want to work for Mike?
This is going to be so much fun learning a new offense!!! I can’t wait.
Watching the film on the Birmingham bowl seemed to be just mostly the passing scheme. Going back to the stats for that game was almost shocking for me. Yes they threw a lot of passes (68), but they also rushed the ball 33 times. Should provide a big strong all universe running back enough attempts to make some records. If you watch the whole game pay attention to the fact that ECU’s defense was “not so much” so Florida had the lead. ECU was playing catch up and throwing the ball alot. The other eye opener was the amount of plays ran during the game, ECU ran 101 plays.
Wonder what the Red Zone stats were in that game for ECU?
Don’t know what the stats were, but it seemed to me the officiating crew was pro SEC as the ECU receivers were mauled at times in the endzone, the other thing was their QB seemed to rush his passes and throw high in the endzone. In any case ECU was aggressive, no run up the gut 3 times and call the place kicker.
I hope we can start calling him Cadillac Riley before the season is over.
Already been decided. Hot Rod Lincoln. lol
Also not bad.
Commander Cody. That’s who.
Haha! Whoops… Edited.
Who turns a Lincoln into a hot rod? Seriously? lol never heard the famous song, Hot Rod Lincoln?! Look up hot rod lincoln, and you’ll get plenty of pictures!
That’s way before my time!
A youngster, eh?
http://youtu.be/Shb4ZCUZGDo
27… Still a youngster by my dad’s standards.
I’m just 33 man. lol
Looks like those boys might be down to seeds and stems, too. Love me some CC and LPA.
mine too! But I know you dig some old songs, lol..
The Commander would be nothing without the Lost Planet Airmen.
I had a ’64 Lincoln Continental with suicide doors that I took to college many years ago. It look a bit to get going, but it would cruise at triple digits as long as gas was in the tank. Thing looked like Death itself, going down the road.
Terrifying!
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/10900000/Animal-House-animal-house-10954768-950-534.jpg
Had an 88 s-10 on hydros, shaved handles, shaved body lines, with suicide doors. Super cool, until one of the doors popped open on me on the highway, 30 minutes from home.
Swinging open at 70 miles an hour crushed the b pillar, so the door would no longer shut. Had to drive home at 20 miles an hour on the shoulder, in 30 degree freezing rain, holding the door halfway shut lol.
Suicide doors are so cool, but also aptly named haha.
Why not Hot Rod Riley?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Riley_12_4_Kestrel_Saloon_1935_2.jpg
Just as long as we don’t call him Riley Coyote 😀
We’ll say its interchangeable! One and the same! lol
Just so long as said appellation is reflective of the product he puts on the field, “Hot Rod” is good with me whether Lincoln or Riley.
Thanks to Gabriel Alcocer for his taking the time to express his observations.
It has given us something to examine and ponder, with the knowledge that what we see in these draft analysis videos may or may not be what we actually see on the field with OU.
I recall the NSD interview with Coach Riley on Soonersports when he said his offense has no “ego,” that we might see 70 passes or 70 runs, it depends on what the defense does.
While that uncertainty might not please some, particularly opposing defenses, it certainly pleases me.
‘At 4:01 you’ll see a play, I don’t even know what to call, out of a split-back shotgun formation’ ‘forcing the defense to pick it’s poison.’
These are things I like to see……creativity. Excited to see things develop.
I don’t think Perine needs to do anything different. Not lose weight. Not gain weight. Just come out and score some touchdowns.
Well done and appreciated. I must say I’m jacked for spring ball and looking forward to throwing the football again…not all the time though. I think Perine can thrive in this offense. However, I would ask him to lose 10-15 pounds to be a little quicker. Even at 225 or 230 he’ll have plenty of power and balance the power with more speed. I think you want quicker backs in the spread IMO.
its a good thought, but one thing to think about asking him to lose weight, which could be his strength. some people play better heavy cause that’s what they’re used to. i know its different positions and different variations of this offense, but if lorenzen can succeed in this offense then so can optimus, imo
One of the best spread backs I’ve seen played for Baylor 3 years ago and he went 240-250. He’s not as good as Perine but no one could get him down as the lanes opened up for the run due to their passing. Red Zone he killed us. Perine is fine at his weight.
I share your sentiment. My concern is in the QB department. I REALLY hope and pray that there is a QB on this roster who can run the offense.
What may have excited me the most about this post and the videos was what appeared to be the very well-timed usage by Riley of the screen game. I’ve seen just about every defense in the big 12 get prone to overpursuit (hence their reputation of wearing down and allowing big points in this conference, even in wins). With the incredible talent OU is fielding at running back, the new OC will be stashing those screen plays in the “home run” section of the playbook.
Didnt OU lead the B12 in total defense and passing defense in 2013? Mike hasnt forgotten how to coach. The defense was playing with sophomores and freshman, hopefully they will be much improved next year(remove the busted coverages). Not saying it’s gonna happen but, it definitely could. I think the defense’s problem was more youth, inexperience, and probably a lack of talent in the secondary(why OU brought in so many players this year). You can blame him for that part if you want. This year was a complete failure team wise, one week it was offense, the next defense, the next special teams. Get a grip guys, lets see how this year goes. I have a suspicion it starts slow but shows promise at years end and OU starts 2016 with legit B12 and playoff hopes…They’ll either be sunshine in December or a cloud hanging over Stoops tenure(did he stay to long type of thing). Gotta hope for the best but prepare for the worst
Funny thing is that people were saying he had stayed too long, we had gotten stale etc. Then he hired Mike and everyone thought things were going to get better and that died down. For awhile.
Yeah, 2015 is an important year for Bob and the entire program. All this can be erased by better QB play and a secondary that doesnt randomly allow someone to go for a TD or give up 7 yard out routes all game…And dont punt it TWICE!!!!!!
And if you do somehow come to the conclusion to punt again, kick it out of bounds and not right down the middle.
Im still at a loss for words at exactly WTF Bob was thinking
If he ever comes to that conclusion in THAT situation, he needs to have an assistant sit on him until the referee signals the penalty is declined!
Recalling this interview with Hoover:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ou/ouhomepage3/john-e-hoover-mike-stoops-finally-gets-defensive/article_5a792d7c-9713-5d5e-99b5-caf142144b56.html
Man what I take from that is he is still spitting fire Mike, focus that energy Mike! Focus it on better tackling and coverage!!!!
I wonder if that is part of the problem; does his temperment detract from his ability to TEACH the players?
That could very well be it, I dont enjoy seeing him look like he is having a stroke on the sideline and sure wouldnt want someone yelling at me like that
FYI, the home page hasn’t updated in hours.
no comments showing for the past 4 hours, seeing if I can post…
Try to refresh. Last comment was 30 minutes ago
no chnge. I’ll dick with it later, gotta drive now.
Thanks for that great write-up and the clips. One thing that jumped out to me and I really loved was the way he was moving his QB around a lot, even in the quick passing game. Because those DLmen looked to clearly be better than Riley’s OLmen.
Trevor might be able to execute more of this offense than I originally thought, because Trevor IMO is a much better passer on the move. Not saying he will be the guy, but I just had very little hope for Trevor in this offense if he was going to be asked to sit back there and execute a quick passing game.
Hardy is a gamer and gives great effort. Been awhile since I’ve seen one of our WR put in that much effort during a game. 🙂
Just saw where JM was announced as “Defensive Front Assistant” for GB which makes me feel better than seeing him as a quality control guy.
Nice find. Thanks.
That feels a bit better. Still hate losing him!
The titles may be different, but I don’t expect the responsibilities to really be all that drastically different.
Funny, that job title tells me it was an unplanned move.
Either or, he’s gone to the NFL which is what he says he wants.
Can’t argue with that.
Are we having a problem again? The last post I can see was 6 hours ago.
Define what you mean by post. Are you referring to the front page? This post on Riley’s offense is the most recent made today. There wasn’t an Open Post today, but there will be tomorrow.
I had to change my “sort by” option yesterday..kept seeing Beavis then finally noticed if was liked a lot so checked my sort and it was on most liked..changed by to newest and back in business
good to hear. some things may have been reset yesterday w/ the reboot
Got it Jordan. I’m good. I was in full-panic mode. Whew! I will come back inside, step away from the ledge.
This happens sometimes, especially if you clear you cache on computer. Many people forget to check the “sort by” option…
I should have said comment. My bad. The last comment I see was between you and Bob Edwards.
Hows Ware as a coach..man…he’d be a knock out 34 line coach hire…learnt from one of the greatest nfl coaches of all time…recruits would love to at least meet him!!
When his playing days are over, perhaps he will enter the coaching profession.
Damn!! totally misread that lol…wishful thinking!! opps
Easy to do. 🙂
Here is his bio.
http://www.ramblinwreck.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mike_pelton_844212.html
Whether it turns out to be anything, can see threads of possibility here. Chizik took him along to Auburn from IState. Bob will be familiar with his work. Relatively young. Like the ‘multiple’ which is something on my wish list.
Says he’s a 4-3 guy
Yep.
May or may not mean anything, as it is an interview.
Also, a bit of a gypsy as are many coaches.
Wonder how he is at recruiting.
Yeah, I noticed he moved around a lot, and had the same position everywhere. No advancement. Could be that he’s a great 1 on 1 coach but doesn’t have the political skills to move up to a DC.
Based on the breaking news, if feels like this just stopped my normal programming to break this news.
Recruiting wise, he’s been all over the SE so I’m sure he know his way around. We’ll see but I have to say, anyone coming into this situation should be licking their chops with the talent that is here.
For the 2015 class he landed three 3 stars for GT. Not to throw stones, but I’m kinda under impressed. Two year spans at any one school and nothing I see really pops as a must have guy. Bob probably has a lot more insight than I do though.
I noticed that as well. Does this mean we’re maybe looking to go back to that for the right guy or they plan on making right guy learn their scheme?
Says he installed a “multiple 4-3” at Tech. Sounds similar to what Stoops says he wants, though seemingly based out of a 3-4, I suppose.
I guess I could go ahead and delete this and/or s#$% all over it for lacking credibility like is done when ppl bring TFB info they don’t have to their $ board. But I suppose I can be the bigger person and leave it up.
In fact Jordan, you are such a big person I am sure you won’t even mention it on the board.
apparently not that big 🙂
Well we do appreciate the work you guys do here.
Not as much as we appreciate you all reading.
No offense intended, saw the tweet elsewhere and not at Scoop as I have never been there. Thought it might be of interest.
you’re fine, i was just being a smartass. we don’t have a problem here w/ bringing info from elsewhere as the goal has always been, and will continue to be, for you to be as informed as you’d like to be. no petty, personal insecurities here with respect to others also have OU info.
I like this rumor!
Looks like he coached with Boulware at ISU and Auburn, so there is a connection.
Ugh no!
Bless you for this post. I’ve been wondering how he planned on getting everyone involved in the offense. I just hope they learn this offense in time this Spring.
Hey TFB – can we get a separate thread (?) on the search for a DLcoach? It would just be easier to track all the posts. Thanks.
What is there to track? Other than a single report of someone supposedly interviewing for the job I’m not aware of anything else that is out there. Well, other than coaching “hot boards” which I would think the previous two hires and this now report of an interview all of which included guys no one included on their “hot board” would prove what a complete waste of time those are.
But let me tell you how I really feel 🙂
Agree Jordan. Otherwise, I would have to wade through a bazillion posts on every option with no actual information – just wait for some real candidate “sightings.”
Well, this Pelton guy wasn’t on anyone’s ‘hot board’ so isn’t that kind of what you’ve already done (assuming you read said ‘hot boards’)?
I was agreeing with YOU, Jordan. I’d rather wait for at least some smoke about names and not have a whole, new thread with nothing but fellow poster’s guesses.
right on
I am only 1 but it gets my vote. Enough speculumations going on in all of the OS and in general. Let’s not get wishes confused with reality.
I heard Pinocchio got fired from his motivational speaking job! Back in football and a sighting reported at campus corner at 3:30 p.m. central time with Mike Stoops. Just kidding…Really!
Whoops! Just thought things would start heating up with internet reports and social media. Guess not.
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr07/18/20/anigif_enhanced-31485-1392774766-11.gif
Uh…hmmm…you alright, bud?
EasTex, I went back and viewed the videos. Against, USC, look at the OL blocking on a LB down field. Like it as Riley was setting up the play w/OG or OT and they become the lead blocker. cool stuff.
Good intro article. Thanks to Gabe and TFB for putting it on here. LR has a chest full of toys like he has never had. After tinkering this spring and planning over the summer, am certain he will throw the tarp off of his ‘Hot Rod’ come Sept. and we will be pleased watching it make road kill of the Zips.
I like the info. I plan to look at it all more closely when I get home from work. Thanks for giving us the commentary AND examples.
glad to hear he might be getting a 2nd chance
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12316372/minnesota-vikings-rallying-support-adrian-peterson-amid-possible-return
This article gives me reason to hope………..
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/aac/2014/09/23/college-football-inside-the-game-east-carolina-pirates/16098091/
Season stats for ECU in the AAC.
http://www.ecupirates.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/teamcume.html
and ours to compare
http://www.soonersports.com//ViewContent.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&CONTENT_ID=967868
Lots of good stuff on the Lincoln Riley offense today. It seems like it’s a lot more than just air raid, which gives me some hope.
Got a buddy that says that Big Bob is interviewing Mike Pelton out of Georgia Tech today for the DL coach job today. Said he’s been at several schools.
Is your buddy anyone from scoop?
Resume isn’t all that strong, but maybe Bob knows more than I do.
Great insight into what this offense can be. Can’t wait to see what LR can do with this group of young men.
On another note. Can’t see the newest comments when viewing from my iPhone or iPad. I’m pretty sure there are comments newer than an hour ago. This site is too awesome to not have more recent comments. Not sure what to do aside from clearing the history, cookies, etc. as Esco suggested. Ideas?
Did you check the “sort by” feature, right underneath the number of comments? You can sort by newest, oldest, or best… default option is “best,” and sometimes this gets reset somehow.. and always does after clearing your cache and cookies. Change back to “newest” and you should be good. If that doesnt work, then, my bad. lol
I tried that my friend, but to no avail. Appreciate the help
Damn. Lots of issues for some, a few for others, and yet still no issues at all for a few! Crazy interwebs.
As long as I get to read the insider info that I pay for, it’s all good!
Yeah it sucks. Some were coddled as kids and some weren’t. I would put myself in the no issues category since the sun being bright is a good thing 🙂
Fantastic thing! Love the sun!
A repost from earlier. Every play on offense for ECU vs Va. Tech in 2013. I won’t try to find their playbook and give away the house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5-yQ_6aQeQ
Here’s a question for you, what would Riley and ECU have done to OU’s D last year?
Put in the backup QB and thrown for nearly 500 yards. Our defense was awful and somehow the only coach that had it together on defense (Monty) left because the promotion was basically just a name and probably only given so he could recruit other guy’s positions for them. Rant over, I had a bad day at work.
A lot. (sigh)
The question should be: how much extra time would Heupel have given ECU and Riley to rape OU’s Defense?
Follow up question: would they have been nice enough to use lube?
I think we know both answers.
Along that line, what would the OU OL and Perine have done to ECU?
I’m sure we would have inflicted damage as well, just curious as to how adept Riley would have been using lesser talent (out-coached) vs our D.
Love the write up. Without analysis like this I would watch videos like that and get concerned about the “execution” portion/defensive ability of the highlights.
The Kick:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbjD8QWlKtU
Thanks- so many awesome memories of OU and this one is right up there for sure.
Great moment in OU lore. Did you see Woody Hayes at the end? He slaps away an attempt at a handshake by an OU assistant. What a class act.
Supposedly OU is interviewing Mike Pelton from Georgia Tech. I’m not sure I like this because he coaches a 4-3.
The report is from Rivals. Let’s wait and see if true.
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Ok, The site is messed up and I can’t see the what was said earlier. If there were any new updates I can’t see them.
No new updates as far as I know.
Ray, I can’t reply to you on the main site and have to do it when I click the icon to see who replied. I think someone from the pay sites are trying to cause gremlins to infiltrate this site. Jealous maybe.
I haven’t had any problems since it came up this morning.
I even tried to refresh it and it still is the same thing. All I see when I get to the comments is Chris Farley Dancing.
click newest under the number of posts in this thread
Just did. I’m a dumbass. I guess I should of drank tonight.
The committee is meeting to consider whether or not to double your TFB fees.
Do I get to say anything to the committee before you put it to a vote. Spare me something please.
Ok. It was a short meeting. Your fees remain unchanged. I told them to take it easy on you since you had a rough day and will have to try to sleep tonight with a gif of Farley dancing seared deep into your brain.
Thank you for having mercy on me. I guess the best thing to do is to buy the committee a round of drinks. 🙂
For the record, I voted that you should buy drinks for the committee.
Ray, you should read what I put underneath blaster’s comment. Great minds think alike.
I’m still laughing…..we were typing that at the same time!
It has been a long week. Great Sooner fans know what is best for days like this. LOL!!!!!
Keep that in mind, anytime they do a server reboot, I think it defaults back to best rather than newest.
i am computer illiterate. it just so happens that i had the beavis thing keep coming up like someone else and found out the hard way yesterday
What else do you need if you have that?
A beer(or a case) to put me out of my misery.
Nevermind. I had to go back to sort and click newest. I’m a dumbass for that. I need to pay attention to what is going on.
Use that refresh button.
Jk, just saw you got it figured out.
Lincoln needs to shave that scuff off his mug. He looks too much like Dingleberry at TTech.
So you’re saying we will have a shot with all the mom’s?
If pimping LR gets the big name recruits to OU…then why not????
I’m free they can pimp me all they want
Its best to slow play these things and not sound too eager.
Dang, sure took a long time to log in to TFB.
You didn’t miss much.
Which is both good and bad.
Everything takes longer as you get up in age. 🙂
I hadn’t had any serious problems with the site until tonight. At one point got some weird message saying the connection had been changed and TFB was now using a lower level of service or something to that effect.
I would try it and it would just take forever to load so I would cancel and go about my other business. Wasn’t going to miss Archer due to waiting on a site to open.
Did the pay sites hit this place with some denial of service malware or what
DDOS attacks!!!
damn commies!!
They are why we can’t have nice things.
I have nice things lol
Fastest Sooner EVER!
We’ve sure had some elite athletes over the years- enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KclzLn8xsy4
Watching that offense NEVER get’s old!
That low-pile turf and steep crown at Owen Field just made those guys that much faster.
Played on that stuff in high school against Norman. Felt like walking on air but it was as hard as concrete when you fell on it – carpet burns were no fun either. As for the crown, I remember shuffling down the line of scrimmage getting tripped up and rolling to the sideline. lol
Dude!!! I played at Norman High!!! But they stopped playing at Owen Field a few years before I got to HS. I did play a pick up game on it….rug burns galore. Lawton HS had that crap too. I had a burn that never did heal that season.
Yep, we played Lawton on Cameron’s field too.
The Bone! Awesome! The last play was sweet. Stuffing Texas is always a good thing.
I always thought Heupel gave up the advantage to the D. He lined up the same way and then read the D and had the QB take advantage of what they thought would be the best option. Not much of lining up differently, motion, etc. D doesn’t get confused much and can decide what they want to do, how they want to defend, and the O has to read where they think the weakness will be and hope to make the play. Very complicated for the QB especially, but also for the blocking from the OL/RBs/WRs. With Riley’s O, the D can make a lot of mistakes lining up b/c they never know how the O will line up. That right there can result in a big play. The O dictates what they want the advantage to be, not the D. It’s a much easier read for the QB. I very much like the change in O systems. I think it’s more complicated to defend than the Oregon O, but I like that O a lot as well.