Some Thoughts On OU vs. Houston

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Man, what a disaster.

Let me start by saying I’ll do some of you a favor in getting this out of the way right up front. If what we saw yesterday didn’t cause you to drastically reassess your expectations for the rest of this season, then you’ll probably want to just stop reading right now.

Was it one game? Yes.

Is it reasonable to assume that, even with the issues from yesterday however problematic or not you consider each to be, this team will continue to get better as the season continues to progress? Sure, probably.

What I saw yesterday, however, in a number of instances looked to be more of a talent problem than a “scheme” problem and the former of the two, I’m afraid, is not something so easily dismissed.

But we can get into some specifics and now that everyone has had a chance to kind of sleep on things, I’m even more interested to get your feedback on both my take on things and, of course, your own.

* Not that you need me to tell you this, but it’s going to be a pretty miserable week to be an OU fan. Now I say that with the caveat of presuming you pay attention to the CFB landscape and the voices within it. If however you do not, then respect, my hat’s off to ya. Wish I had your will power.

For the rest of us, however, it’s going to be a world of bleep we really have no choice but to sit there and take.

* I can’t help but always roll my eyes at the cherry-picking of unfavorable stats that national media and the like are always giddy to pull out of you know where when/if Bob Stoops & OU come up short in a game like Saturday.

That said, on some level they also have a valid point.

Now being an OU fan and watching WAY more OU games than any other, I suspect it makes things feel like what happens to OU happens to OU more than any other program. When, in reality, like most things in life I suspect it all balances out in the end. But it sure feels like the whole ‘OU chokes in big games’ narrative has at least a little bit of truth to it.

But maybe I’m still just pissed off about Saturday.

* Welp, on the bright side we probably won’t ever have to suffer through the Boise State ‘Statue of Liberty’ play highlights any longer, because it has now been replaced by Saturday’s ‘Kick Six.’

Sigh.

* Without the benefit of having had time to go back and watch the game multiple times and, more importantly, the end zone/All 22 camera angle, it’s probably impossible to truly determine if the issue was more (1) Baker Mayfield simply holding on to the ball too long trying to make the perfect play or (2) the OU wide receivers’ inability to get open.

In all reality common sense would tell you it’s probably some combination of the two. But the obvious dilemma that assumption creates is that the former (holding the ball) is somewhat easily correctable while the latter (WRs not creating separation) is potentially a much bigger problem as the team moves forward.

* Again, maybe you could put what looked like some considerable protection issues on the offensive line itself or on the aforementioned holding of the ball too long. But it sure looked to me like Mayfield was often running for his life out there.

Not to mention the lack of anything, outside of the first 20 or so minutes of the game, that resembled of a commitment to the run game. Once again, whether you put that on Lincoln Riley and poor play-calling to go away from it so early, or him being “forced” to do so because the line couldn’t create lanes for Samaje Perine and/or Joe Mixon, at this point I couldn’t really say.

* If I really simplify it, to me the things we thought might be issues (OL, LB, WR) were issues, but the much more worrisome aspect of that game against Houston was what I think literally everyone expected to be the strength of this defense, i.e. the secondary, looked like a major problem.

Again, it’s one game but I don’t know how you could have watched that one and not come away thinking CB is going to be a problem all year. I mean whether it’s Dakota Austin, Parrish Cobb, or, hell, even Jordan Thomas, they’re going to have to get significantly better than what we saw on Saturday before I could ever feel confident in that back end of the defense.

The thing that really had me shaking my head was you take all that time to have the CB competition throughout spring/summer, then it takes you less that a quarter and a half of actual football before you bench your starter (Austin). Which leads me to what I feel is the obvious question…if that’s all it took then why was he ever the starter to begin with?!?

The simple fact of the matter is Austin is who is he as a player. I have no interest in sitting here and bashing what by all accounts is a quality young man, but the limitations to his game seemed fairly obvious and frankly I didn’t need Saturday to tell me that. I know people are having all kinds of fun with that tweet of the video with him trying to tackle a guy that doesn’t even have the ball. But heat of the moment type deal, it’s hard to really give the guy grief when if you really think about it all he was trying to do was make a play.

And how hard can you really be on a true freshman in Cobb, who showed up later than everyone in his class after the Baylor debacle and then gets thrown into the fire right off the bat. He had some moments, probably more bad than good, but I’ll be curious to see if he gets a benefit of the doubt not afforded to some others (cough, PJ Mbanasor, cough). Ultimately that doesn’t matter, but it was curious to see how quick they were to put him out there.

* Six rushing attempts each for Perine and Mixon is just f’ing unacceptable. That is all.

* I thought Dede Westbrook looked like he can be a legit No. 1 threat. I also thought they still didn’t get Mark Andrews involved, after all the talk this spring/summer that they had learned from 2015, nearly enough. Yes, he finishes as the team’s leading receiver in the game and with two TDs, but he had just three receptions and I would venture to bet not many more actual targets than the three he caught.

Outside of that, it sure seemed like the wide receiver position was a considerable disappointment. Jarvis Baxter’s fumble (though I will forever maintain that was a terrible replay decision), Geno Lewis’ lack of involvement, and/or AD Millers lone, quality though ultimately meaningless catch. I thought this position group left a lot to be desired.

* I do agree with what many were saying after the game that as bad as the defense was at times in the first half, especially on third downs (and good lord were they awful. I mean for the love of all that is holy, has any team in history given up more 3rd-and-long first downs than Bob Stoops teams? I swear it’s like I’m more confident in getting a stop on 3rd and 3 than I am in 3rd and 13. But I digress).

There were noticeable improvements made in the second half, specifically up front. I thought Charles Walker was virtually invisible for most of the first half, but then turned into the unstoppable beast we all know (and need) him to be in the second. But I’d have to go back and really focus on the play of the d-line, because from memory not many other guys really stood out.

* I will also say to the Mike Stoops and the defenses’ credit, I thought the game plan was the right one. The goal was to make Greg Ward Jr. have to beat you with his arm. The problem of course being he did exactly that.

Granted I quite confident M.Stoops, Kerry Cooks, and literally everyone one of us in crimson and cream didn’t anticipate OU’s secondary having as atrocious a game as they did.

The issue wasn’t with the plan, as I so often feel it can be, rather with the execution. Signed, Captain Obvious.

* Regarding Ogbonnia Okoronkwo….look man, there was a reason he didn’t play last year, or when he did play would get yanked. It was because of stuff exactly like what we saw against Houston.

Now did he have a couple nice moments with his pass rush? Sure. But I’m not exactly breaking news here in declaring that the good definitely did not outweigh the bad.

* I don’t think we need to spend too much time on this one, but as I said in the game thread I wrote about Austin Seibert on Friday for a reason. And after Saturday, it appears as though my concerns were justified.

No, this has nothing to do with the missed field goal — although that was certainly not confidence-inspiring. and yes, I’m aware of the popular theory/speculation that his timing/steps were off on the kick — and the ‘punch yourself repeatedly in the face’ inducing touchdown return that followed. Rather it’s about the disturbing number of kickoffs he either failed to get into the end zone at all or at least deep enough to illicit a touchback.

Now clearly it didn’t hurt OU in the sense Houston really never had a big return or ran one back, but over the course of the season odds are that won’t continue to be the case. Does it ever cost OU a game? Obviously I couldn’t say. But just the chance of it happening was why I ever wrote about it in the first place.

It just seems like maybe they are asking him to do too much.

* And while we’re on the topic of kick returns….hey, Joe….you reading this….if you catch the kick two yards deep….BRING THAT MUTHA @#$% OUT!!!

I’m happy to take my chances with you getting it at least back to the 25, rather than wasting an opportunity for a big return. At one point I had to wonder if the coaches didn’t give him the Sterling Shepard punt return treatment.

* If you care about such things, based on the participation report the only true freshmen whose redshirts were burned include: Parrish Cobb (duh) and Mark Jackson.

I suspect that changes next week, assuming the Louisiana-Monroe game goes as we all hope. But I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

I suppose 1,800+ words is more than enough punishment to subject all of you to. So what did I miss? Or what do you disagree with?

Let me know in the comments.

1,354 Comments

  • Soonerbred says:

    I think the talent gap is a real thing that has gradually become apparent. There is no reason why Houston should ever be in a position to out-athlete us. I saw the Clemson game in person and the talent gap was apparent to anyone with eyes. I do think it’s more apparent up front, but the lack of quality depth at the skill positions is showing too, which is more suprising. No solutions but to coach em up and recruit better.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Amen.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      There is no reason why Houston should ever be in a position to out-athlete us.

      I’m sorry, but that might have been true a decade or two ago, but it’s not true today. They hired a stud of an up-and-coming young coach, and as a university they’ve been pushing to keep Houston athletes in all sports home. And Houston has way more top caliber athletes than the entire state of Oklahoma. That said, Houston matched us in athletes in some areas, but they did not have better athletes all over the field. Better players? Perhaps. But not better athletes. Sure would have been nice to have landed Oliver, though I’m not sure our coaches would have played him enough to have made a difference.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Mark Andrews had a almost as many drops as catches. He’s a physical specimen but catch the ball. Last year the TE think didn’t work because he couldn’t block. Kid has huge upside but man those things are killer.

  • Daddy R says:

    It did look like Joe was told to take a knee (on kickoff returns) after that scare to Samaje. Prob didnt want him to get hurt too….

    Wouldnt have mattered though, as to my surprise, Joe looked a little like Alex Ross back there and ran straight into his blockers nearly every time he brought it out…

    • Defend Colfax says:

      That just oozes Stoops. We haven’t been the same since watching those damn mormons assassinate our golden boy.

      • Daddy R says:

        I hope thats not the case. As we have seen with Sammy Boy, he, though insanely talented, has been a walking injury for years. Bob needs to get over that injury in BYU game, and let our players play again. They get hurt, they get hurt. But you play scared, or protective, and you’ll still get hurt, AND LOSE.

  • Scott says:

    I put the blame on Lincoln Riley & Coach B for the offensive problems. Lincoln needs to rotate more WR’s ( Mykel Jones , Miller , Green ) and rotate more RB’s ( Brooks , Adams). Also play calling was terrible from Lincoln Riley. Please Coach B start Erik Wren , I’m personally done with Alvarez. Now for the defense , the Blame really should be on two player and those two players are Austin & Obo. I know Joradn Thomas had a couple bad plays but Austin was getting embarrassed out there.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Kick coverage was awesome I thought. Not sure how seibert could have done better.

    • Defend Colfax says:

      I think everyone knows it’s not going through the end zone. But there is much more height on the kicks. They had terrible field position to be start. We just had Charmin soft defense.

      • Mark_in_VA says:

        I’m with you. I think the ideal kick lands just in front of the goal line, with high hang time. Force the return and have them hit the first wave by the 10.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      My point is the more you keep asking your guys to cover kicks, rather than putting it into/thru the end zone, the more the odds increase you give up a big return.

      If Seibert doesn’t have the leg to consistently get touchbacks, then IMO he shouldn’t be handling kickoffs.

      • Zack says:

        Exactly. Why waste his leg?

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        I agree. It’s been a big advantage not having to worry about defending kickoff returns in recent years. It floors me that OU can’t find a kicker, scholarship or walk-on, who can do just that. Gotta be somebody out there that could specialize in just kicking off, that has a strong enough leg to put most of them in the endzone.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Anyone notice how they came out and attacked our weaknesses? No forced balance, no bs just good coaching.

  • Scott says:

    The Defense does have some potential to be really good. I would put PJ ( i dont care how he performed in fall Camp) at the opposite Corner position of Jordan Thomas. I would put Will Johnson at Nickel and sub in a OLB in Run situations like we did last year. I wanna see more Caleb Kelly , Kapri Doucet and Mark Jackson at the OLB.

    • Zack says:

      The fact that they went to Cobb instead of mbanasor, is worrisome if you think pj would be better. I’m just tired of OU having to adjust to other teams when they know going in to a game that Austin at 5’8 was going to cover any of their receivers over 6’0 tall. Mike, Kerry and Bob should have known better.

      • Jordan Esco says:

        that was always gonna be the case y’day, the depth chart told us that. the coaches really wanted to get Cobb on the field.

        • Zack says:

          They would probably be better with Johnson opposite Thomas then bring in haughton at safety and move Parker, or just bring haughton in at nickel. Cobb may be really good in the future but the kid looked like a kid.

      • Daddy R says:

        You mean, because they are coaches that not only coach db’s, but actually played it themselves they should know better? Yea, you’re probably right. lol

    • Rene Goupillaud says:

      I would play all the young guys on defense. Only Will, Jordan and Walker deserve to start. Cooks needs to get on the secondary. They played as poorly as any we’ve ever had. They celebrated when balls were overthrown or dropped as if they’d made a play. That’s the wrong attitude. Got to admit when you’re getting beat.

  • Daddy R says:

    I think what frustrates me the most, and many, many other sooner fans, is this:

    Take Alabama for example. New year, Brand new QB (TRUE freshman), new line, etc….
    They start out a little slow, against a quality (maybe) opponent.. Down 3-0 in the second. Then, Boom! A TD here and there and then they begin to wallop the Trojans just like the number 1 team should, new qb or not.

    We come in with almost as much hype, ANNNNND, we have our qb back, our NFL rb’s back, most of our secondary back. I know there were some questions coming in, but wouldnt of Alabama had questions too? Hell they were starting a brand new qb! Every team has questions coming in to new season.

    But this year was supposed to be different for us. 2nd year under Riley and Baker, experience all over the field it seemed. And yet, this is how our team shows up (more like doesn’t), AGAIN.

    SO, so tired of our team not coming in prepared to play to the best of their abilities. Happens all too often with Stoops coached teams.

    And yea, they’ll get better, I’m sure of it. But does it matter anymore? Seriously. After Clemson meltdown, and Texas last year, and Houston this year (who knows who else..) and all the other “letdowns” in previous years and in big matchups, do we really trust Stoops anymore to lead us to the promised land? My answer has been stewing for 3 years on this… Its getting really freaking close to No, I do not trust his coaching anymore.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      preach

    • LBS says:

      To be fair, our safeties are better than USCs if that tells you how bad they are, and Clemsons offense which is better than ours, looked like hot garbage against the Auburn tigers that almost lost to JackSt last year. 1st games are hard to judge.

      • Daddy R says:

        Yeah, Clemson auburn was definitely not a barnburner.

        And speaking of Auburn? How the hell is Malzhan still the coach? Talk about crappy offensive play.

    • Rene Goupillaud says:

      Right on. Bama’s frosh running back from Tulsa not offered by OU until late January. Our frosh, Adams, didn’t see the field despite Perine injury. As I said, we are too cautious.

  • T. says:

    I was a huge Alvarez fan but one thing that has been overlooked was how many snaps were slow or off-target yesterday. This affects the timing of plays more than you’d think. We should give Wren a try and let Alvarez play guard.

  • Mark_in_VA says:

    The thing that really had me shaking my head was you take all that time to have the CB competition throughout spring/summer, then it takes you less that a quarter and a half of actual football before you bench your starter (Austin). Which leads me to what I feel is the obvious question…if that’s all it took then why was he ever the starter to begin with?!?

    But don’t they just keep doing this anyway? The most recent example being going with, and doubling down on, St. John at tackle all the way through whorn. My philosophy is, if you have an upper classman who hasn’t been able to crack the lineup for 3, 4 years, and he can’t separate from the younger players once the players over him leave, then freaking go with the younger players who at least might have better upside. I don’t know what’s going on with PJ, but at this point, just ride Cobb and see how good he can get. You don’t lose anything in the short term, and maybe in a few games he’s playing much better than what you have now.

    • Defend Colfax says:

      Loyalty to seniority is great but even I’ve heard negative recruiting about us favoring seniority. It’s not 1977 the freshman can play.

    • Rene Goupillaud says:

      I would replace everyone except Parker. This group reminds me of the Sharks, more swagger than reality.

  • Chas Taylor says:

    Obviously no OU fan is happy about yesterday, but I think we will see changes.Changes on the depth chart and game plan. I hope this team does what they did last year after the loss to UT, and refocuses and takes it week by week. This ought to light a fire under everyone in the program and they get their act together.

    Also, I hope Evans and Okoronkwo run till they throw up for their idiotic, self centered penalties.

  • Jesse says:

    I thought Will Johnson was all over the field. Dude force ward back to the middle almost every time they tried to do that option play. Defense in the second half showed a lot of promise. penalties were killed.. We pretty much gave them 6-9 points from personal fouls that kept the drive going.. Kick 6 was on the coaches 100%. Unacceptable. Houston was good, very disciplined. We simply were not. Gave them the game imo.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Excellent point/s. Very much my bad not singling out Johnson in the post, he played well.

      • Jesse says:

        First game so my leash isn’t too tight, yet. But if Obo’s bad keeps outweighing his good at what point do you think we get a guy like Kelly in there? Rather have a young guy making mistakes than a guy who’s been here and shouldn’t be.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I don’t think the coaches will wait very long. If for no other reason than y’day wasn’t a first time occurrence. As I alluded to in the post, that kind of stuff is what has kept him off the field to date.

    • Scott says:

      Dakota & Obo really killed us in the first half with multiple penalties.

    • Zack says:

      The kick six is just another special teams mistake that ANYONE at home with a brain knows that you don’t chance a 50+ yard field goal in a close game (in which you have no momentum by the way) you pin them deep and let your defense try to get a stop and flip field position.

      • Mark_in_VA says:

        At that point in the first half, I can’t really blame the coaches for thinking no pin is going to be deep enough to avoid points.

    • rainydaze114 says:

      Johnson had the most complete game of any defender for sure.

  • Zack says:

    Probably an over reaction but I don’t see how this team finishes better than 8-4 and if that’s the case then new blood will be needed. I don’t want to be the “fire Bob” or “fire everyone” guy but 2 out of 3 seasons at 8-4 would be time for a change.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      I see 8-4 as worst case. Ohio State game is the determining factor. Find a way to win that one, and I could see 10-2. Lose to Ohio State, I’d probably predict 9-3. OU fans freak out every time OU loses early. We looked like crap early last year, lost to UT, OU fans predicted doom and gloom, and we won out. Same thing in 2012 (I think) when we lost to KSU at home week 3. We ended up 10-2 that year.

      • Zack says:

        The problem with looking bad this year compared to last year is that all of our tough games were in November. This year 3 of the 5 toughest games are in September.

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          How tough does that TCU game look to you after last night? And the UT game is FIVE weeks away. We’ll look completely different by then.

          • Zack says:

            Tcu will be fine. Patterson is a better coach than Bob right now. And I’m ok with OU looking ugly in wins, but looking pathetic and losing does not sit right.

      • Daddy R says:

        It amazes me that as big as a fan as you are, that you aren’t more concerned with this type of game from Stoops’ teams, that seems to happen yearly, as you pointed out…Ever get tired of losing games we should win?

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          Every team in the country, save Bama and Ohio State, are losing games they shouldn’t lose. And I frickin’ hate that term. Who are YOU to say what games we should and shouldn’t lose? Is it by ranking and point spread? Because that is misleading. OU gets a major advantage in both of those departments b/c of our name. I had no doubts we weren’t going to be the 3rd best team in the country this year. No way after how we were exposed against Clemson and what we lost. Probably closer to 10th. Which would make a game played in Houston against a 15th ranked Houston team a bit of a toss up.

          The college football landscape has changed, and a lot of OU fans haven’t picked up on that yet. Outside of Bama and Ohio State, everybody else is feeling the effects of it. Look at USC. Look at Tennessee. Look at ND. Florida. LSU. The list goes on and on. But back to my point above, EVERY team in the country is losing games their fans don’t think they should lose. Even Bama (Ole Miss the last two years). Even Ohio State (VT last year). Even the mighty Tom Herman and his Houston Cougars (UCONN last year). OU isn’t losing more of these games than anybody else, OU fans are just more emotional about it b/c OU is their team. I swear, at times its like OU fans have no clue what happens with other teams. I can’t remember who exactly, but two other big name schools that I watched yesterday blew through their timeouts in an unnecessary fashion. It happens. To everybody. Even Bama.

          I agree that Bob seems to have lost his edge, and the chances of him putting a bona-fide NC contender on the field in the next few years is probably slim. But I’m also not in the camp that thinks we should can him for that either.

          • Daddy R says:

            When would you be okay with canning him? Ever? So, sloppy play, and routinely not showing up prepared is good, quality coaching to you? Coaching that deserves to “keep on keeping on?” Just because some other “Big name” programs are losing games they shouldnt lose also? Or because he somehow gets his team “more prepared” as the season moves along? News flash, players get better on their own during season play. Its because of more experience. I’m not so sure’s Bob’s coaching has anything to do with it anymore. If it did, we’d look much more consistent and prepared from the get-go, every year.

            As for games we shouldnt lose, and who am I to say that term? Well, when the vast majority of the nation feels we should win the game, and the vast majority of OU fans feel we should win the game, and when on the field, its obvious our OWN miscues and lack of preparedness are the culprit to us losing, then YES, I would say that is a game we shouldnt lose.

            I mean seriously, we are a University that fired possibly its greatest coach EVER in the King (off field circumstances counted, I know), and his teams rarely showed up “off their game.” Bob’s teams routinely show up “out-coached and lackadaisical,” and yet we want him to become Beamer? Not sure I’m down with that..

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            Bob has earned the right to go out pretty much when he wants if he can keep OU at this level. I know not everybody “thinks” that way, but you don’t fire a coach that has done what Bob has done, if he is winning 9-11 games a year. Not even at OU.

            Sloppy play and routinely not being prepared landed us an 11-1 record last year, and a trip to the CFP.

            And lol at the Switzer comparison. The off the field stuff was the ONLY reason he was let go. That said, OU fans seem to forget Switzer had 3 seasons of 4+ losses/ties, and 6 seasons of 3+ losses/ties. Six of his 16 seasons he lost 3+ games. For comparison, in the 17 seasons Bob has completed, he’s lost 3+ games 8 times. Keeping in mind that OU routinely has played 1-2 more games a season under Bob than we did under Switzer, and that a lot of those extra games were against good teams in the Big 12 CG. The OU fans that act like Switzer never lost a game amaze me. And Beamer was doing MUCH worse than Bob during his final years. But sure, if Bob fell to Beamer levels for a couple of seasons, I’d hope he would leave on his own accord, or with a little push from Joe C. But I don’t see him falling to that level.

          • Daddy R says:

            Switzer also won 3 NC’s. Bob is 1-4.

            Fans were calling for Switzer head before the criminals took him down. Bury Barry stickers were pretty popular then I’ve heard. ( I was too little to remember…)

            I know Switzer lost some games. Still doesnt change the fact that Bob’s teams OFTEN dont show up to play.

          • Rick says:

            Same with Barry’s. They generally had 1 or 2 games a year that just left you scratching your head. If you really want a 90’s style break down of the team, then by all means, call for his head.

          • Daddy R says:

            Well, if its as short lived as after Switzers tenure, you might be tempting me! lol

    • Hollywood says:

      Our biggest problems are problems that shouldn’t be reoccurring ever year.

      1. Talent.
      2. Playcalling.
      3. Discipline.
      4. Situational awareness.
      5. Depth
      6. In game adjustments

      Pick a year where all these things cost us games and you’d have to go back to 2000 to find a season it didn’t.

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    I’m not sure how long it’s going to take before we have an Oline that’s going to consistently produce. Coach B has had more than enough time to get things right…I don’t know what’s going on there. I know other teams have the same issues, but the “elite” teams have Olines that seem to gel like they are supposed to. Why not ours?

    Receivers not catching the ball or not being able to get open…I honestly thought that was a Norvell problem, but here we see it again. What gives?

    Houston has not had great recruiting classes. Not that we have, but they have been better than Houston’s, yet they absolutely dominated us. This has to be coaching. I’m not going to say that Bob needs to go, but what’s the deal? How does this keep happening? It seems that we will consistently field a team that will not be prepared in at least one of the big games of the season. Why does this keep happening?

    Bob says that Oklahoma is not a “stepping stone school”, but when we allow ourselves to be beaten by the Boise States, West Virginias, and Houstons, that is exactly what we have become. We are the “blue blood” program that delivers that “we’ve arrived” win for teams looking for it. It’s getting tired. I’m sure I’m overreacting, but this is what losing does to me, I guess. I’m a child who cannot control his emotions…sue me.

    • Daddy R says:

      Dude, you are not overreacting. Overreacting would have been asking for Bob’s departure after the Boise fiasco years ago. Well partner, we are waaaay past that and the same ish is still going on. Gone are the days of SOUND football, and an immense DESIRE to be the best.

      • ToatsMcGoats says:

        I couldn’t help but notice the missed tackles and the complete lack of discipline displayed by some of our players. It’s very disheartening to know that we have not cleared these major issues up. I don’t know what I expect going forward, but it’s not greatness.

    • Ura Hogg says:

      Exactly. The coaches have tried to pass the buck to the players execution too many times in the past few years. Isn’t it the coaches’ job to teach the players how to consistently execute plays and/or tackle? If the production isn’t there, shouldn’t we be asking who recruited these kids, who taught these kids, and who prepared these kids?

  • Shelby is a Patriot says:

    Why does OU always have to get exposed before they can put it all together like last year? When is the last time we started the season looking prepared and like we knew who we are and what we are doing?
    SoonerSquad17 can’t get here soon enough.

  • Paul Lott says:

    that was a very poor performance. they looked confused again..like the calls weren’t coming in quick enough. when the biggest strongest guy on your team…perine..gets blown up by an American conference dback..that weighs 175 …u have problems..that houston team looked like a well oiled machine. these types of performances are becoming the norm at Oklahoma. or as they say on the eastcoast..jokelahoma…

    • Daddy R says:

      Well, when none of our players give or receive real hits in spring and fall practice, EVER….it doesnt really surprise me that they dont show up ready to destroy someone.

      • Paul Lott says:

        yea man…we stunk up the place for sure..couldn’t tackle..I mean they just looked overwhelmed…from the 2nd quarter on..

      • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

        That’s one reason why I always say practice hard will directly translate. We practice like a bunch of sissys then we’ll play that like.

      • Jpsooner23 says:

        I’m curious to see if/when we actually do get “too deep” (i.e. Get these recruiting classes back to the top) if we keep the low contact crap going. I don’t know if it’s just what Bob believes is right no matter what or he looks at the depth chart and cringes thinking about one guy going down. I dunno, but agree with ur point.

        • Daddy R says:

          Not sure on the depth part, and thats a good point. I think its just his style these days though…. Early on in his career, we hit in practice. Then, the oklahoma drill disappears, and with it every other hitting drill now it seems.

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            That’s not just at OU. The rules have changed on how much pad work and hitting is allowed. It’s more restrictive then it was 16 years ago. I’m speculating with this next comment, but I doubt we “hit significantly less in practice” than most other schools do.

  • Scott says:

    Does Bob Stoops motivate his players?

  • jaobryan1 says:

    I was at the game up close and personal and what I saw was a team that was OU in name only. The talent level that the Oklahoma Sooners put on that field is disturbing and unacceptable. Breaking news, you win championships with talent not JUCO transfers and walk ons, bc ultimately you have to beat the player in front of you. OU fans are in danger of becoming the most delusional fanbase in the country because each year every team is looked at through the lenses of the past glory and everyone is blind to the fact that the glory has departed, Ichabod! But no worry Stoops will deliver another 10 win championship less season next year to sedate everyone once again

  • Jordan Esco says:

    Oh, also….

    ….RUSHING THREE AND DROPPING EIGHT HAS NEVER WORKED FOR YOU, MIKE. PLEASE STOP DOING IT.

    Signed,

    Everyone

    • Daddy R says:

      They did look good in that 4 front though! Was happy to see we still have it in the playbook…

    • Mark_in_VA says:

      I’m afraid the conclusion he’ll draw from your suggestion is to try rushing 2 and dropping 9 🙁

      • Rick says:

        I think he tried that during the WVU game a few years ago. The other difference in that game was Landry had more than one target. That idea of having a “go to” guy just drives me insane. You may have a favorite target but don’t exclude everyone else just to get your guy.

      • Oscar says:

        I wish Mike had joined Josh and Jackie at Missouri.

        • Cody Davis says:

          So we could have not made the playoffs last year? That’s ridiculous. They had one of the best O’s we will face all year and we only gave up 70 yards in the second half.

        • Cody Davis says:

          So we could have not made the playoffs last year? That’s ridiculous. They had one of the best O’s we will face all year and we only gave up 70 yards in the second half.

        • rainydaze114 says:

          His specialty is defending SEC style offenses. He would be the man over there.

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    • Hollywood says:

      It worked in a sense that it kept him from blowing the play up the problem was that secondary kept giving up the routes. First down was tfl, second was a sack, third down was a 15 yard pass play or a penalty every single time.

      I’d say the game was winnable if not for sloppy play but then again the playcalling was still pants on head retarded

    • Cody Davis says:

      If you would have been asked if you would take 26 points by the the Houston offense prior to the game I’m sure you/ most of us would have considered that a success, especially with 2 turnovers at midfield or better.

  • Paul Lott says:

    if that’s the product we have..I can’t wait to see what urban does..and he’s the type of guy to make a strong point..I had high exp3ctations for this team…but it looks like Herbstreet….was right again..I didn’t see anything positive from that game..not one postion..except Mixon perine..at first..then they fizzeled..but like jordan said…third and long…what..atntoer forst down

  • Zack says:

    Vilma definitely looked like he knew what he was talking about.

  • Zack says:

    Does anyone know if Bob went on a vacation within the last 2 weeks?

  • Jeff says:

    Plus crappy refs didn’t help out

  • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

    WE beat ourselves and still barely lost the game. I refuse to believe Houston beat us. Our secondary was atrocious which was a big surprise considering we thought they would be Good. I’ve said it time and time again. Riley needs to cut the bullshit with long developing routes and run some shorter stuff since sour offensive line just can’t hold blocks for that long. That first little dump off to Samaje in the first drive opened the middle for Mixon to run his way through. I’m so sick of Riley’s defacto move being let’s throw it 7372636363 a game the second the runs start to slow. The dude needs to get his ish together because at the end of the day the offensive line is HIS responsibility and he delegates that to coach B. The defense wasn’t even the issue besides the obvious secondary issues this game. I’m DONE with Obo and his non existent brain. I say we throw all the young bucks our there and make a SERIOUS run at things next season. We clearly don’t have the talent from our older guys so let’s see what some younger dudes can do. What good does it do running 8 guys at WR when all of them are booty can can’t create separation on a secondary that finished in the 100’s last season. I’m so furious that we lost this game rather than Houston beating us but if we play the same in two weeks we will be 1-2. We can still have a great season but I think it’s time we re evaluate some players. If we have dudes making mental mistakes id rather them being young guys making the mistakes than guys who have been around.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Agree 100% on that first part. All this “we were out-coached stuff”, and out-athleted, is junk. If we simply don’t hit players late, and defend the missed FG, we probably win that game. Still our fault. Still plays that we as a team have to make as a team, but we don’t need massive player or scheme overhauls to fix that.

      Are we a NC contender? No. But I said that before the Houston loss.

      • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

        That missed field goal was a 10 point swing and Thay over throw by Dede was 7 points then if Mixon could have scampered on for 6 rather than us settling we would have won. Maybe I’m being a sore loser when I say we lost rather than them winning but it’s the truth.

        • Rene Goupillaud says:

          We’s always be undefeated if all the “ifs” came true.

        • SCCoog89 says:

          Standard Power 5 Conference hot aire … We couldn’t have been … … beaten … we must have lost … that’s the only reasonable explanation!!! Didn’t anyone tell you? That’s why they publish the schedules ahead of time .. dates, times, locations … so you can be ready and show up an play … not doing so is just an excuse …

          • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

            Shut up bro. You’ve never posted on here and you have no idea how I am when posting on this site. Houston is a good team, but it doesn’t take a genius to realize OU lost this game because they didn’t execute. Houston got theirs, but OU practically spoon fed it to them.

          • SCCoog89 says:

            That’s what you gotta’ love about P5 fans … the class they always bring to a discussion … you don’t win on reputation … you actually have to show up and play … nothing in the response changes my original post …

          • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

            My baby sis goes to UH moron, I’ve watched every game of theirs last season and was at this game. I’ve got nothing but respect for them, but we gave that game away, that’s all I’m saying. No UH fan would have thought they would return a missed field goal for 107 yards or that GW would throw for over 300 yards and rush for virtually nothing. The game was decided on horrible plays by our defenders ( both penalties and missed assignments ) and that’s what cost us.

          • SCCoog89 says:

            Again, classy reply. So, watching Tom Herman every game last season wouldn’t have suggested he’d have the team coached up for every game situation they could think of (and apparently that Stoops didn’t) OR that he might actually develop his QB during the off-season to be more reliable with his passing game should the D key on him as a runner (which isn’t a new strategy) … and perhaps that’s what cost you … OR maybe you’re right, it was all just a fluke. Time will tell. Good luck the rest of the way.

          • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

            My baby sis goes to UH moron, I’ve watched every game of theirs last season and was at this game. I’ve got nothing but respect for them, but we gave that game away, that’s all I’m saying. No UH fan would have thought they would return a missed field goal for 107 yards or that GW would throw for over 300 yards and rush for virtually nothing. The game was decided on horrible plays by our defenders ( both penalties and missed assignments ) and that’s what cost us.

          • SCCoog89 says:

            That’s what you gotta’ love about P5 fans … the class they always bring to a discussion … you don’t win on reputation … you actually have to show up and play … nothing in the response changes my original post …

          • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

            Shut up bro. You’ve never posted on here and you have no idea how I am when posting on this site. Houston is a good team, but it doesn’t take a genius to realize OU lost this game because they didn’t execute. Houston got theirs, but OU practically spoon fed it to them.

      • Rene Goupillaud says:

        We were out coached. Our scheme left the secondary exposed. Oh we didn’t let Ward beat us with his feet. No, we let him kill us with his arm. Then, Alvarez doesn’t get on the field for the long field goal attempt causing us to call timeout which let’s Houston get the right folks on the field and a man deep. That means Alvarez wasn’t paying attention and that’s coaching. Then Bob says we need to practice more on defending returns in that situation. That’s coaching.

        I hope our coaches aren’t making these excuses. Simply put, they never learn from these games which is why they repeat the experience. I expect they will rebound as the often do, but the OU brand is becoming “follow a good year and high preseason ranking by falling flat.”

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          Get out of here. Every scheme leaves something exposed. And if we don’t get all of those PF and PI penalties, they don’t “kill us thru the air”. You think Alvarez wasn’t coached up to pay attention and be ready for a field goal? I suppose Nick Saban didn’t coach up the Bama freshman QB that fumbled his very first play last night. Nick should have told him not to fumble, right?

    • RDC212 says:

      We barely lost that game? You’re joking, right?

      • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

        We played awful and were still 3 plays away from beating them. We beat ourselves. That’s not even counting all the penalties that gave their drives new life.

        • GoBoomSoon says:

          I agree but I calculated it and it was just 2 plays different and we win!

        • Rene Goupillaud says:

          3 plays might as well be 10. Really, we were whipped, out coached, out played, and out smarted. Another example of a team that thought they were better athletes and, after all, they’d been to the playoffs. No excuses, we got thumped in every respect and it was sad.

  • Jesse says:

    How many young guys do you guys expect to see on the field next week and who?? Kelly and Cobb 100% should be out there (better be anyways). Mykel Jones is another one I expect to be out there. I just feel like after yesterday there is still A LOT of spots left to be earned. AND WHERE THE HELL WAS AD MILLER?!

    • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

      A lot. I would be shocked if we saw the ones you mentioned plus maybe even. Bobby Evans. If the older guys can’t handle it then I’m all for throwing in the younger guys.

    • Maranatha846 says:

      AD Miller was a non factor and will continue to be one. He is like the other hold over receivers from last year, he can’t get separation and can’t catch the ball.

  • Boom says:

    Out athlete us, no, I wouldn’t agree. Based on the UT loss last year a lot of changes were made. Riley made adjustments while different players made their starts. I see the same based on this outcome. Are we there yet with the Bama’s or Clemson’s, no but who else is.

    We are all pulling for Mead but Bake didn’t look one time in his direction. I’m assuming AD will start next game along with seeing Mykel.. Andrews was open plenty in the middle, Bake just wouldn’t throw it. Bake really needs to assess his game. Lot of folks will want to hammer me but do you actually think he is a pro type QB.

    OL, it’s a shame we didn’t run the ball because early in the game we were killing them. Riley got cute and we lost our momentum.
    ILBs played good for the most part but DBs were horrible in their tackling.
    Andrews – what I thought was interesting was they put him on the line for the most part instead of the slot.
    Flowers played but not sure why as we didn’t run or throw to him except once.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    I think a lot of OU fans are going to be surprised at how well both units perform going forward. I don’t know if that starts next week, or down the road a bit, but the talent is there to match what we did last year. We don’t have the talent to play with the big dogs still. Hopefully our improved play will be reflected in our record, but it might not be given the Ohio State game. We could play a damn good game and still lose that one. Beat Ohio State, I think we go 10-2. Lose, I’d probably say 9-3.

    I really don’t understand the fuss about the defense, in terms of coaching. Mike had a perfect scheme yesterday. We were in position to make plays all day, save Austin getting picked on. We held a damn good running QB to 1 yards rushing. It wasn’t the scheme or defensive talent that lead to missed tackles on what I’d consider very routine tackling situations. And it wasn’t coaching or defensive talent that lead to the personal foul penalties. I think the dline will perform exactly how we thought they would. I thought the db’s played well, save the 2nd CB position. We gotta fix that spot, and decide what to do with Obo, but I think the D will be “okay” going forward.

    Offense just couldn’t get in sync. I didn’t think the oline played that well, but I also don’t watch the games focusing on that, so it’s difficult to say. THANK YOU JORDAN for saying above that it’s impossible to grade receivers from a televised version of the game. You don’t see enough of the field to know what Baker was seeing. I was dumbfounded last night reading comments from posters talking about aspects of the game that there is no way they were seeing from the televised game. They had already made their minds up on what was happening, without seeing it. But back to the offense, too much talent not to come together at some point. I suspect in the next couple of games they’ll start playing at close to the level they were playing at last year to end the season. We miss Shep, for sure. Hopefully they get Jones on the field. I think the oline will sort itself out.

    This team will have to play clean to beat the good teams on our schedule. We aren’t going to out-talent Ohio State, TCU, UT, or Baylor. That means cutting out the stupid penalties and the missed tackles. That Houston game just had a weird flow to it. The penalties and missed tackles that lead to Houston getting the extended drives early. The early injuries to Parker and Perine. The low volume of offensive plays ran by OU in the 1st half, despite decent output. The kick 6. Just a weird flow. That is no excuse for OU not being able to get into rhythm, but the fact of the matter is, they never did.

    There are certainly things about this coaching staff that frustrate me, and I see as problems, but the fire Stoops, or Riley, or Mike Stoops stuff is just silly. The worst thing about this loss IMO is that is likely slows down our recruiting momentum, something we really needed to continue in order to get our talent level back up. Hoping for a big win over Ohio State to help get us back on track there.

    • Daddy R says:

      Its not silly to suggest replacing the HBC when we routinely lose 1-2 games per year that we most definitely should not, and double that for a national audience (recruiting and just plain embarrassment). Thats not silly at all. When you come in as a double digit favorite, and your performance lacks any sort of preparedness, thats whats silly. And you are correct, we will probably rebound and end up with a decent/good record.

      But so what. Are you not the least bit tired of losing games we should not? Routinely? I think I saw a stat yesterday that Stoops teams have lost like 6 of the last 8 games where we went into the game as double digit favorites…. Thats horrendous (and not just for the Vegas folks..)

      Arent you the least bit curious how good we could be if we didnt routinely lose those games? If we actually, GULP, went undefeated and “played like a champion?” Or at least if/when we did lose one or two, we were just plain beaten? Not where we gave the opponent considerable help in doing so?

      Stoops was a gamer at one time, now, I’m not so sure. We are the University of Oklahoma. We demand better.

      • GoBoomSoon says:

        I’m having trouble with the losing 6 out of 8 stat. I’m pretty sure that last year were we double digit favorites for most of our wins although I’d have to go back and actually check.

        • Daddy R says:

          Yeah I was shocked too. I heard the stat, not read it, and I’m sure I butchered it a little. But it was an eye popping stat I heard. Looking for a link now, no luck yet..

          Did find one from last season that stated Bob has lost 15times as double digit favorites in his career. And this was before Houston this year. SO that number is at least 16.

          For Comaprisons sake:
          Saban 4
          Meyer 4.

          Think the most besides Bob was 7.

          Again, Bob’s now lost 16 of them.

          • GoBoomSoon says:

            Thanks for the clarification Daddy, the “6 of the last 8” was what
            seemed wrong. But, without research, the stat could be correct —
            or not :).

            If the 17 is correct that seems like a lot but I’d like to see the percentage as sometimes hard numbers can be misleading.

            Hopefully it will be zero of out infinity going forward!

        • Daddy R says:

          Here is what the stat was… Someone above mentioned it…

          Bob has an FBS record six losses when his team was projected to win by 80 percent

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        Using the Vegas spread, ESPECIALLY for a week 1 game, to decide how upset to be after a loss is just silly.

  • Mizuno45 says:

    Esco, I think you nailed it for the most part. The only thing I would add is embarrassing play in front of a national audience. Being embarrassed is such a nasty and raw emotion, and it was on full display yesterday. Both teams had an equal amount of time to prepare, and Houston was far more prepared and executed so much better, one has to wonder what the hell is going on from a coaching and overall leadership perspective. My preseason oh crap moment occurred when the rankings came out, and we were at #3. We successfully demonstrated our performance better reflected a team ranked #33.

  • Hollywood says:

    10 things every delusional OU fan needs to be aware of.

    I’ve been saying Bob has hit his ceiling for years and that he needs to be replaced for YEARS and everytime I do the people on this board call me a fool, idiot, moron, clown, retard, and all these other things inspite of the EYE POPPING statistics about Bob in big games. What now Jordan?

    1. He plays in a soft watered down league rife with JUCO level talent and sub par development. I mean nearly ALL of our early draft entrees have already been cut and the season hasn’t even started yet lol. I say this because it invalidates ALL of his accomplishments. “LOOK AT ALL OF BOB’S WINS AND CONFERENCE TITLES”!!!! Bob’s career would like a lot more like Mark Richt’s if he played in an actual conference. It’s time for Bob to go. The end. 20 years in a job is too long. Before he could hide his ineptitude behind solid recruits but now he can’t even get those so it’s time to move on. Change would reinvigorate his career and allow us to get back to actual contention, not what I call ‘delusional contention.’

    2. “BUT THE FINAL FOUR! WE MADE THE FINAL FOUR! CLEARLY WE’RE ELITE!”
    We made the final four last year because we hilariously overperformed against injury/youth depleted teams in a weak conference AND Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Stanford, all who were hilariously better than OU, faceplanted at the end of their season. OU did not belong in the top 4 and I very much doubt we could have beaten any of the NY6 bowl winners.

    3. tOSU is going to be a blowout, Marvin Wilson, Greg Rogers, Jeffrey Okudah? Forget it, they’re about to watch us get housed on our home turf. tOSU runs the EXACT same offense and defense that Houston does only they do it with 5 star players instead of 3 stars and they’re being coached by one of the three best in the game right now. Recruiting is going to fall off the map again because those players keep seeing what the difference between Bob and an elite coach is.

    4. The “Fun N Gun Air Raid” bullshit needs to go. That is a gimmick offense that has never, literally EVER, won anything significant at any level of football. On top of that, apparently, we have none of the personnel needed to effectively run that offense. They need to line up and run the damn ball. When OU has committed to the run the past two years they’ve shined…only to get away from it later. Just like yesterday. This isn’t a flash in the pan. This happens every year now.

    5. Longest streak ever without a national title and we have a coach that has been obviously surpassed by his peers. Bob is Frank Beamer. Bob is JoePa.

    6. Bedenbaugh has no idea what he’s doing and needs to be out. Every single lineman we have to include Zeus looked absolutely outclassed by a mid major. You mean to tell me that after spring and fall camp as well as all the scrimmages you couldn’t figure out that Dakota Austin can’t cover? Or that literally none of our wideouts can get open? Have they just been feeding off their own ineptitude?

    7. If Joe and Samaje finish a game with less than 15 touches each in a game this season Lincoln needs to have playcalling taken away from him. How are you going to ignore the only truly talented players in your offense? Why is this so hard?

    8. I don’t want to hear anything about the O line not being good enough to run the ball. We embarrassed them on the first series (like Clemson) then abandoned it the rest of the way (like Clemson) before being shut out in the second half (like Clemson….). You mean to tell me that Joe and Samaje can’t find a way to eek out four yards a carry? Because calling 3 straight pass plays for 0 yards isn’t exactly working either.

    9. That lone national title was a fluke. The nation was really watered down that year which is how a team that gave up 50+ sacks was able to go undefeated.

    10. Finally, and you have to ask yourself this as a football fan, not an OU fan. Do you really think Bob is good enough to beat someone like Harbaugh? Herman? Saban? Meyer?

    And dont’ ‘give me that Bama crap. That was the fluke of all flukes and you know this because our QB that game ended up a third string transfer player by the time he graduated. They turned it over 5 times and still almost beat us.

    Bottom line is, OU is already in the middle of it’s longest streak without a natty ever. EVER. And every year that goes by it becomes more and more obvious to me that Bob is not in that elite crop of coaches. How much longer are we going to wait? How much longer are we going to allow our national reputation to be degraded? These 18 and 19 year old kids now have NEVER seen an OU national title winner. That mean’s something. That mean’s more than something. That means its time for Bob to go.

    • Rick says:

      Although you make a few good points you are typical of the idiots that come out of the woodwork only when we have a loss. The first plan is to fire everyone. I wouldn’t be surprised if your not a shorthorn or aggie fan trying to fan the fire into a situation like Texsa finds itself with years of chaos.

      • Daddy R says:

        Whatever he is or isnt, you have to admit (as you did) that he made some damn good points..

        • Rick says:

          I do admit a few good points. The problem in FIRING everyone is the years of chaos and instability afterwards.I remember the years after Switzer left. Someone would correct me and remind me he quit, yes, but I also remember just before the last couple of good years several years before were all of the Bury Barry stickers and he’s beyond his prime and he can’t coach anymore. He fought through that time to one more natty then came the criminals andhe was gone. Then came many years of mediocrity for the school.

          • Daddy R says:

            10 years of mediocrity. 1 Decade. Then we got the hot, young, up and comer, Mr. Stoops.

            But look at Stoops body of work in last 10 years. A few conference Championships, yes, and much better than Blake and Schnelly, but good enough to continue on to Beamer-hood?

      • Hollywood says:

        You all people idiots for wanting change, what does that make you for wanting more of this undisciplined, mediocre, ugly football? Bob has an FBS six losses when his team was projected to win by 80 percent. Bob, for the fifth time now, has opened the season with preseason expectations and IMMEDIATELY faceplanted.

  • Breadburner says:

    All on the O….The defense gave us a chance to win….Another power outage by Riley and Co….

  • cheezyq says:

    Honestly, I don’t know how you can say it’s talent and not scheme, or some other coaching-level issue. I get that it looks like we’re “out-athleted” out there, but what stands out to me is that our players are just never in the right place at the right time. And that’s consistent across many of these baffling losses across multiple seasons and multiple recruiting classes.

    Tony Jefferson is as smart of a player as I’ve seen at OU, and he was critical of the schemes, and he’d pinpoint WHY a play would break down…and it wasn’t because of busted coverage. Busted coverage was just a matter of time, because the defense was being asked to do things that don’t make sense.

    Throw in the fact that we love to play “coverage” in with the fact that we’re doing something wrong on the teaching level, and Baylor Drive and Saturday just happen too often.

    Talent? Look I’m not as big on the 4/5 star whatever rankings, just like anyone here. But we’re winning recruits that are sought after all over the country. So are we just high on all the wrong 4 stars? If so, that means that lots of good recruiting universities are high on the wrong players, too.

    The other thing that stood out to me yesterday – we just looked like we had zero intensity on defense. From the very beginning we looked sluggish, and not from a speed perspective, but from an activity perspective. That, and Mayfield just didn’t look his “amped” self, either. We don’t have enough veterans and haven’t done enough to be complacent, so something else seems wrong – like the team is genuinely confused about something.

    I don’t have the answers, but all I know is this is a repeating pattern. Any time we have any expectations at all, we disappoint. We only look halfway decent when we come out of nowhere to pull off a 10-2 season or whatever. And that’s just not acceptable.

  • GoBoomSoon says:

    @Jordan, can’t disagree but despite the problems – like the defense, particularly in the first half – and mistakes/penalties it occurred to me that if just 2 plays were different (the field goal… why?) and any one of many others (Obo’s penalty, etc.), OU would have won the game.

    They could have actually won the game despite everything., to me, that is a positive sign.

    Now back to being depressed about the game 🙂

    • Zack says:

      A game vs Houston should never be decided by 2 plays.

      • GoBoomSoon says:

        Hey Zack, lots of things shouldn’t be but are. In this case, I agree, OU should have beat Houston but the reality is that they didn’t and changing just 2 plays changes a L to a W even playing like we did.

        • Zack says:

          I would say it was more like 6-8 plays. 3 late hits on the qb right? The first PI against Austin, the kick six. Westbrook pass.

          • GoBoomSoon says:

            Yes, of course, there were a lot of plays but change the kick six and just one of many of the others (like those that extend drives when we should have had the ball) and we win.

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        Please stop saying this. It makes no sense. That is a good Houston team that has recruited some good talent in recent years. This isn’t the 70’s or 80’s when OU had roster talent that simply allowed them to walk off the team bus and beat people by 50. Those days are over, not just for OU, but for virtually everybody.

        • Zack says:

          2012 – 56th, 2013 – 56th, 2014 – 76th, 2015 – 92nd and 2016 – 35th. 4 – 4 stars and 1 – 5 star. OU has been right aroun 15th in recruiting with somewhere around 40 – 4 stars. On paper there is a huge gap in talent. Even if one recruiting class was enough to close the gap, there was still a huge gap between 15th and 35th.

  • Ibtwan says:

    To all those optimistic about this season, IT DOES NOT MATTER! I have no doubt that most issues will be addressed and fixed. If we run the table in the B12 and lose to tOSU who cares? Houston and tOSU are both playoff teams that will get the nod over us. SS17 is what I’m worried about. We had high profile recruits at the game last night and even more will be at there vs tOSU. In case you missed tOSU broke a school record and put up 700 yards. Against a small school or not that’s impressive for the least experienced team in the country.

    • Ibtwan says:

      776 yards to be exact.

    • Mark_in_VA says:

      Certainly the chance to finish out even stronger has been drastically diminished (it was already pretty small and depended on us ideally making the playoff again and a whorn epic collapse). If we get blown out by tOSU, then we have to wait to see if the defections start.

    • Hollywood says:

      Tennessee scored 55 on BGSU last year.

      • Ibtwan says:

        If you are trying to compare Tennessee to tOSU and Urban Meyer. I don’t have much to say. But hopefully I’m just being emotional and everyone else is here is right. This is one time in life I wouldn’t mind being told “I told you so” after week 3.

        • Hollywood says:

          No you servile imbecile I’m saying that scoring points on BGSU isn’t hard because Tennessee was capable of doing it.

          Please go back to the kiddie table and let the adults who actually understand English get back to discussing football. Idiot.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      The problem is that you think this OU team EVER could have won a NC this year. They couldn’t have. Even if we went undefeated and made the CFP, Bama, or Clemson, or whomever would have exposed us. We don’t have the talent to win two games against that type of team on a neutral field. We just don’t. So I don’t really care if we “sneak into” the CFP or not this year, b/c we aren’t/weren’t winning it.

      • Cav66 says:

        Believing you have a shot isn’t the problem. Yesterday made it pretty clear that we aren’t national championship caliber yet. Disappointing for sure, but I just can’t get on board with the idea that we don’t have the talent to hang. Our talent didn’t perform and our preparation wasn’t up to par. That doesn’t mean that our coaches can’t prepare the team or that our talent is incapable of performing on a high level. Crap day. Hopefully the rest of the year is better.

    • Cav66 says:

      What is your point? Should we abandon all hope for a good season? Should we forfeit the Bucknuts game to avoid the potential on field embarrassment? No doubt yesterday sucked, but the all is lost mentality is just weak.

      • Ibtwan says:

        The point is that we may have just missed an opportunity to become a powerhouse again. That we blew it on the national stage. I don’t care single seasons, we’ve had plenty of great seasons. B12 champs? Awesome, high five. 2 points. I am wanting OU to be a real NC contender, we do that with bringing in high recruits. My point is these millennial recruits pay attention to everything just as we do and want to be winners.

        • Cav66 says:

          Fair enough. We definitely blew the opportunity yesterday. Believe me, there is no one who wants to see OU back as a national powerhouse and realistic NC contender more than me. I get the frustration, and your your recruiting concerns are well founded. Losing the big games doesn’t help. My perspective as a fan is more game to game, season to season, so my focus is more on hoping we improve and find a way to win the other big games this season. No doubt, tOSU is looking like a tough one.

    • Maranatha846 says:

      SS17 is a problem. We had a pretty good class until that fiasco. If they start jumping ship, look out. We totally played our way out of chances for some guys yesterday ( Hines, Okuda ). If the class holds together, help is on the way. I have seen Rambo and Lamb play and they run routes AND catch the ball. I say throw a bunch of starters on the bench and give the young guys a chance. It sends a message to the team and to SS17 that if you’re better, you play.

  • Clint Lenard says:

    Obo had a rough first half, but he actually played a pretty good game for his first career start.

    • Zack says:

      IMO the secondary was the worst part of the defense. Other than that, I thought the defense was decent. Our dbs were always 2 steps away from their guy and it could have been worse if houstons receivers didn’t drop some catchable passes.

      • Scott says:

        Are Corners killed us yesterday.

      • Ura Hogg says:

        You’re right, sadly, it could have been worse with the way the secondary was playing. Meyer is licking his chops.

        • Billy Jackson says:

          They went from being a clear underdog to being able to name their score. I’m not sure I can even watch it.

      • Billy Jackson says:

        I agree. Houston had virtually zero success running between the tackles. However, you let their QB get to the outside or throw a bubble screen that never works for OU, and our tacklers do the Hatari Byrd and think playing bumper pool with their bodies instead of wrapping up is all it will take to stop the play.

        Baker could extend plays a little with his escapability, but ended up under the dog pile or with a net or .5 yards. Meanwhile, Ward jukes and jives for what seemed like 5 minutes, only to hit a wide open receiver 40 yards down the field with no OU defender in sight.

        OU clearly was tuned into making sure Ward didn’t scramble for 50 yards, having zero respect for his arm, and they paid for it. Baker, on the other hand, seemed to have zero faith in even trying to let his receivers have a chance, instead choosing to hold the ball and audition for dancing with the stars. Of course, the offensive line didn’t help him too much, but there were instances where he was given enough time to throw the ball.

        Of course Dakota deserves the criticism of his play, but the couple of times he had really good/perfect coverage, the refs decided to give their hometown boys a helping hand. If I see a ref from that game, I’m kicking him in the scrotum. It’s bullsh$%t corners can’t play physical anymore…It’s arena f-ing football.

  • Ura Hogg says:

    Why does the coaching staff have to wait for a loss to make major adjustments? Shouldn’t a large percentage of those many many problems which popped up in this game have been addressed while running drills and scrimmaging???
    It’s like last year after losing to texsa. Suddenly the team comes out on fire against KSU and stomps them. That’s a coaching problem.

    • Mark_in_VA says:

      Pure speculation on my part, but an unfailing aphorism is, you play like you practice. I think all the kid glove treatment in the effort to avoid injuries severely damages our capacity for practice to prepare us for games. Every team has first-game rust, but it seems like ours is several layers deep. Other teams take 1 or 2 quarters. We take about 4 or 5 games.

      That’s the main explanation I can think of for why we always, always start out slow. Once games kick in, those force us to up our intensity and we finally get in game shape by about the 5th game.

      Just about any other explanation I can think of reflects pretty poorly on our coaches. Doesn’t mean those explanations might not be true, but I can’t think of any other relatively innocent reason for our perennially slow starts.

      • Ura Hogg says:

        Agree totally. Too much fear of injury can cripple needed intensity in practice. As too much fear of turning the ball over can hobble a QB.

      • LBS says:

        I agree, but our bowl practice was so physical it knocked our DT out of the game, while Clemson said they practiced pretty light to stay fresh. So its probably somewhere in the middle

        • Mark_in_VA says:

          I hate to say it, but they might have been trying to stay “fresh” for the next game 🙁

          You have to think their coaches could eyeball us and size up their talent advantage.

      • diablodejalisco says:

        i think you recruit toughness. did you see the hit on perine? that dude was like a heat seeking missile. they were hitting hard and that should always be part of what you recruit, toughness. sometimes i feel like our team is a little soft.

        • Daddy R says:

          But, are you saying Perine isnt tough? That game comes mid-season, after Perine has been hit and used to playing full speed, No way that db knocks Perine back like that. No effing way.

          Hit and go full speed during practice before season, to get these guys ready to hit and take hits. Cant wait for the season to get them ready, or its too late. WE have plenty of tough, physical players, but no one should expect them to be this way without physical practice beforehand.

    • diablodejalisco says:

      then we should feel sorry for ULM?

      • Ura Hogg says:

        No. They knew what they were getting when they agreed to the game with OU. Take out whatever frustrations are needed on ULM. But more importantly, make some changes. Some changes that should have been made before the season.

  • Ura Hogg says:

    Houston was like Urban Meyer’s scout team. He won’t lose any sleep preparing for the game in Norman. smh

    • LBS says:

      Lol good. I was actually equally afraid of smoking Houston and being overconfident for tOSU. OU has a piss poor tendency to play into their own hype

  • Scott says:

    We need a players only meeting this week. I still believe in these guys , we just need to take this one week at a time guys. BOOMER SOONER.

    • Ura Hogg says:

      Maybe that will work, but I strongly believe that the coaches are the ones who should have the ability to correct the problems that we saw in the game. The coaches should have had the players ready to compete. Easily more than half the players on the field for OU did not play like they had been well-prepared for that game.
      BOOMER SOONER

      • Scott says:

        I still believe a player on meeting led by the team leaders will help this team.

        • Ura Hogg says:

          It can’t hurt. If the coaches can’t bring about change, let the players take the initiative. Whatever brings about change, and quick.

  • Kyle Nelson says:

    I don’t understand the lack of talent comment, Jordan. What about the lack of talent for Houston?? Go back and look at who is on both rosters. They absolutely in no shape or form have more talent. It’s not even close.

    So if we roll out there with WAY more talent and get our collective asses handed to us, then I have to believe it’s a coaching issue. Whether that is schemes, getting our guys motivated and ready to play etc.

    Sure, you can say we don’t have the talent if you compare is to Ohio State or Alabama, but it’s just not correct to say we have a talent issue we we line up against a team that has an average talent rank of 2.5 on their roster.

  • LBS says:

    I feel some of us are in denial that Houston is just good. Their WRs werent nobodies, and their QB is a freak of an athlete. Even Catalon was a top 10 HS back. This loss isnt at all embarrassing to me, OU played just awful and things kept snowballing. We dont have the exp to overcome situations like that, and we knew that. Thats the opposite of the other top 5 teams (which is necessary to keep perspective). LSU for example got out athleted when they have the best athlete in the country. Mind boggling. If USC had a QB that could complete a pass in the first half, Bama probably wouldve lost. We suck right now, badly, and if they dont fix it, it wont be pretty. But im not selling stock yet

    • Mark_in_VA says:

      If we suck badly right now, and OU played awful (and I think you’re right) then I don’t see how Houston managing a 10-pt win shows that they’re just that good (and by just that good, I assume you mean genuine contender for the playoff).

      Houston won essentially a home game, that was something of their superbowl, by 10 points against a sucky performance.

      If Houston soundly defeats everyone else on their schedule, including (and especially) Louisville, then maybe they really are just that good and OU’s suckage had a lot to do with them. But I didn’t get that impression watching them, like I did with Clemson against us. OU just looked like crap, a game that they would have struggled to get going even against E. Popcorn St, though likely still won.

      • LBS says:

        No what i mean is we’re looking at Houston like they are Rice. Theyre a legit top 15 team, and judging by how the rest of the top 10 played, maybe top 10. If we struggle with ULM lol sound the alarms

        • Mark_in_VA says:

          I don’t think anyone’s doing that. At least I haven’t seen anyone say that UH is just awful and we should cakewalk them. But if that’s where you see UH, I agree. I think they’re top 12, but would be soundly defeated by any legitimate top 5 team. I was thinking they looked like a pretty good P5 team, maybe Ok. St. good.

    • SquidGiant says:

      There were some extremely untimely penalties too. We could not afford to have the bogus PI call bail out Houston in the redzone. Not to mention the iffy roughing the passer call on Evans and the blown fumble replay. I felt like every time OU got a 3rd down stop you just knew the officials were about to get in the way.

      • LBS says:

        Yeah, i wished bob took a basketball timeout after the first penalty and calmed everyone down. Instead he blew timeouts on the kick six.

  • Jason Vos says:

    Couple of things, Jeff Mead was open quite a few times, but honestly BAker was not even looking his way. On one play he got open, but baker threw elsewhere to a guy that was not open for an incompletion and I saw him raise his hands in frustration

    Second seems like Perine’s injury totally threw Lincoln Riley’s game plan off. I would think DAniel BRooks has been here long enough that you can still play the 2 back set formation with an injury to Perine. Anyway I believe everything happens for a reason, every call in that game went HOuston’s way. I’ve watched college football long enough to know when that happens your just not meant to win the game

    Question now is does this loss light a fire under this team and we play strong the rest of the way, or is a precursor of bad things to come? Only time will tell

    • diablodejalisco says:

      the ten point difference was the missed field goal and the runback for the TD. thats 10 points difference. without that everything might have been different. i thought this kicker was all world? maybe he has too many responsibilities. and third downs in the first half killed us, just like always. a typical MS defense. baker needs to get rid of the ball. he needs to work harder with his receivers and get some timing down. those balls should be there when they come out of their breaks. offensive line needs work. run the damn ball.

    • soonerinks says:

      I hate diss’ing on any player, but has Mead EVER made a play?

  • Hollywood says:

    10 things every delusional OU fan needs to be aware of.

    I’ve been saying Bob has hit his ceiling for years and that he needs to be replaced for YEARS and everytime I do the people on this board call me a fool, idiot, moron, clown, retard, and all these other things inspite of the EYE POPPING statistics about Bob in big games. What now Jordan?

    1. He plays in a soft watered down league rife with JUCO level talent and sub par development. I mean nearly ALL of our early draft entrees have already been cut and the season hasn’t even started yet lol. I say this because it invalidates ALL of his accomplishments. “LOOK AT ALL OF BOB’S WINS AND CONFERENCE TITLES”!!!! Bob’s career would like a lot more like Mark Richt’s if he played in an actual conference. It’s time for Bob to go. The end. 20 years in a job is too long. Before he could hide his ineptitude behind solid recruits but now he can’t even get those so it’s time to move on. Change would reinvigorate his career and allow us to get back to actual contention, not what I call ‘delusional contention.’

    2. “BUT THE FINAL FOUR! WE MADE THE FINAL FOUR! CLEARLY WE’RE ELITE!”
    We made the final four last year because we hilariously overperformed against injury/youth depleted teams in a weak conference AND Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Stanford, all who were hilariously better than OU, faceplanted at the end of their season. OU did not belong in the top 4 and I very much doubt we could have beaten any of the NY6 bowl winners.

    3. tOSU is going to be a blowout, Marvin Wilson, Greg Rogers, Jeffrey Okudah? Forget it, they’re about to watch us get housed on our home turf. tOSU runs the EXACT same offense and defense that Houston does only they do it with 5 star players instead of 3 stars and they’re being coached by one of the three best in the game right now. Recruiting is going to fall off the map again because those players keep seeing what the difference between Bob and an elite coach is.

    4. The “Fun N Gun Air Raid” bullshit needs to go. That is a gimmick offense that has never, literally EVER, won anything significant at any level of football. On top of that, apparently, we have none of the personnel needed to effectively run that offense. They need to line up and run the damn ball. When OU has committed to the run the past two years they’ve shined…only to get away from it later. Just like yesterday. This isn’t a flash in the pan. This happens every year now.

    5. Longest streak ever without a national title and we have a coach that has been obviously surpassed by his peers. Bob is Frank Beamer. Bob is JoePa.

    6. Bedenbaugh has no idea what he’s doing and needs to be out. Every single lineman we have to include Zeus looked absolutely outclassed by a mid major. You mean to tell me that after spring and fall camp as well as all the scrimmages you couldn’t figure out that Dakota Austin can’t cover? Or that literally none of our wideouts can get open? Have they just been feeding off their own ineptitude?

    7. If Joe and Samaje finish a game with less than 15 touches each in a game this season Lincoln needs to have playcalling taken away from him. How are you going to ignore the only truly talented players in your offense? Why is this so hard?

    8. I don’t want to hear anything about the O line not being good enough to run the ball. We embarrassed them on the first series (like Clemson) then abandoned it the rest of the way (like Clemson) before being shut out in the second half (like Clemson….). You mean to tell me that Joe and Samaje can’t find a way to eek out four yards a carry? Because calling 3 straight pass plays for 0 yards isn’t exactly working either.

    9. That lone national title was a fluke. The nation was really watered down that year which is how a team that gave up 50+ sacks was able to go undefeated.

    10. Finally, and you have to ask yourself this as a football fan, not an OU fan. Do you really think Bob is good enough to beat someone like Harbaugh? Herman? Saban? Meyer?

    And dont’ ‘give me that Bama crap. That was the fluke of all flukes and you know this because our QB that game ended up a third string transfer player by the time he graduated. They turned it over 5 times and still almost beat us.

    Bottom line is, OU is already in the middle of it’s longest streak without a natty ever. EVER. And every year that goes by it becomes more and more obvious to me that Bob is not in that elite crop of coaches. How much longer are we going to wait? How much longer are we going to allow our national reputation to be degraded? These 18 and 19 year old kids now have NEVER seen an OU national title winner. That mean’s something. That mean’s more than something. That means its time for Bob to go.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      So every time OU wins it’s a fluke? 2000. Bama in the Sugar Bowl. At ND in 2013. All those blowouts of pretty good UT teams.

      Flukes. Every last one of em.

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      Everything you mentioned sounds like my LSU friends. It even sounds like my FSU friends. Finally, it sounds like my UF friends.

      I’ve even heard this from Bama fans.

      Nothing you mentioned is unique to OU or Bob Stoops.

      However, what is different is that, unlike any other OU fan in the history of OU football, you have it all figured out.

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        This.

      • Hollywood says:

        But all those things you mentioned have actually won national championship chips lately so it’s actually different isn’t it? Congratulations on another nine-win season man it’s great to be a fan of a 9 w8n team. Your friends are all morons by the way

  • Jpsooner23 says:

    All those in favor of letting the high upside freshman, soph take some of these jobs (and I mean start, play like a starter) say aye. We have upside waiting in the wings and if upper class guys are missing stuff then may as well have a true frosh, soph, go learn on the fly. Kelly, Gallimore, Cobb, young safeties, Jackson, wideouts, etc. let em loose.

    • Billy Jackson says:

      I was going to say, one approach the coaches can pitch to save the incoming class is they’ll get every opportunity to earn early playing time.

      • Jpsooner23 says:

        And to clarify, specifically the ULM game.

        I think it could send a message to some of the upper class as well. Let the pups have ULM. Crazy I know and I don’t want to throw the season away, but wake up call may be needed.

        • Billy Jackson says:

          Great point. I don’t think for a minute anyone is ready to give up on the season, but in following the reports on here throughout the summer, it’s clear the youngsters are pushing the top of the depth chart, and it may not take much more to just let the young studs take their lumps early so they can improve. No reason to keep the higher upside on the sidelines if the upperclassmen have topped their abilities.

      • Ura Hogg says:

        That’s obviously the pitch that texsa has been using to get their recruits.

        • Billy Jackson says:

          Ha ha ha…..

        • RDC212 says:

          Well that, and the race card.

          • Ura Hogg says:

            Like it or not, I believe that is true. Not saying that I can blame some parents and kids for wanting to go support a minority coach, especially if they have suffered as minorities themselves.
            But Strong’s body of work at texsa to this point, regardless of his color, isn’t very ‘strong’. He doesn’t have his own championships to point to as proof of his coaching acumen in Austin, rather losing seasons.
            Playing time is most certainly up for grabs in Austin after the last few years.

          • RDC212 says:

            Should be up for grabs in Norman too as far as I’m concerned.

          • Ura Hogg says:

            More positions than not, that’s for sure.

    • Maranatha846 says:

      I would vote for that.

    • Mark_in_VA says:

      No question on Cobb. And all bets are off on receivers. They should give the freaking water boys a chance. Pull every redshirt and put every guy in no matter how low on the depth chart. Find some guys who will fight to get open and hold on to the ball.

      • Jpsooner23 says:

        Did basquine get much time? I didn’t notice him much and he was apparently very good in off season ( yea I know everyone is)

        • Ura Hogg says:

          Maybe next year the coaching staff should be a little less optimistic in evaluating their team leading up to the opening game. Something like, “Right now, we stink,” might have been more appropriate this year than what we heard.

        • Mark_in_VA says:

          I certainly didn’t see him. But since the entire WR corps was pretty much invisible, that doesn’t surprise me even if he played every down.

          • Ura Hogg says:

            You mean to tell me we have wide receivers on the roster?

          • Mark_in_VA says:

            I’ve heard a rumor.

          • Jpsooner23 says:

            I tried to convince myself the “committe” could cover a lot of the gap losing shep, but deep down we all knew that we couldn’t, not yet. I rewatched several of last years games and u could put down at least 2 more losses without that guy, maybe more.

    • diablodejalisco says:

      Might as well. We have has our asses beaten the last two games so what do we have to lose? we need more motivation and swag. houston coaches seem to know how to bring the best out of their players. Our coaches, not so much.

      • Jpsooner23 says:

        Just watching some of these top tier teams put true freshmen on the field and watch them be difference makers made me queezy. We don’t have Ed Oliver or Dexter Lawrence, but who knows what Gallimore for example could do given the chance

      • RocketCitySooner says:

        The Houston coaches had a very good motivational tool going for them which we could never have. All the talk about Big Xii expansion and whether Houston was good enough to make the cut had to be an extremely good motivator for Houston.

        • RonBurgundy says:

          My gwaad…if a nat’l championship isn’t enuff for the Sooners…what is ?? not to mention Victory..

          • Daddy R says:

            And shutting up all the haters/doubters after the showing against Clemson, again. National recruits at the game, NFL scouts at the game, showing the world that Houston does not belong (though I think they made a damn good point that they do…), hell, for the love of the game.. The list is long with reasons for motivation.

          • RocketCitySooner says:

            I think the possibility of proving that they were ‘good enough’ to be in the Big Xii was much more of a motivation than winning a game. Or, even a national championship. In any event, it was more than enough to get a 2 or 3 star team to the level it could beat OU.

            BTW, this has happened several times to OU in the past.

            Remember Boise State? Or, then there was the time BYU won the championship. OU was playing Washington, IIRC, and all the commentators were talking about OU winning the naty of they beat Washington by more than three touchdowns. You could tell Washington was motivated to show the world that wasn’t going to happen. OU lost and BYU won their championship. There was also the time where OU played a bowl game where the opposing coach quit just before the game. The interim coach was very popular and the team wanted a victory to keep him as coach.

            Here’s the deal. Situations like those don’t happen often, but when they do, a good/fair coaching staff can use those situations to motivate their team to play far above expectations.

            BTW, I also think OU had a problem with the referees. They were AAC referees and I think, at least subconsciously, they were motivated to see UH win as well. A call, here, a call there. A hold on their offense that wasn’t called. It adds up.

    • Rene Goupillaud says:

      Aye! Aye! Aye!

  • Jason Vos says:

    BTW for all those saying Houston has better athletes/players, that is simply not true. They did the exact same thing to Florida State who everyone would agree has better athletes than we do and is deeper along the OLines and DLines. Fact is Tom Herman is just a really good coach, and he out coached BOb Stoops even though the refs helped out a lot

    • Ura Hogg says:

      That was one of the unexpected mismatches in the game. Stoops v. Herman went to Herman, and it wasn’t close.

    • RDC212 says:

      Where are the people who tell me how veterans are chosen because they’re assignment sound and they be where they’re supposed be, and that’s why they should play over better talent? Yeah that went real well AGAIN!

  • Jason Vos says:

    DLine played well, and Linebackers also played well. Only problem was the CB’s getting back shouldered all day long. If Cobb and Austin are close, then I’d. probably go with the freshman who has more upside and is bigger and faster.

  • Jason Vos says:

    Are the coaches sure Michiah Quick is not more useful to this team at WR? We have more than enough CB’s. But the IWR position seems as weak as its been in a long time. They might want to try AD Miller in there or something

  • Ura Hogg says:

    I didn’t catch any of the post game. Was anything mentioned by the coaching staff as to why there was such a pitiful number of touches by two of the best RBs in the country?

    • SquidGiant says:

      I think it was the negative plays. Mixon and Perine had some big runs, but they were tackled in the backfield several times too. Not enough Dimitri Flowers in my opinion. No way I was going to listen to the coaches excuses after the game, that’s just my take.

    • Jpsooner23 says:

      Big question for me as well. I have to think it’s one of 2 things:

      We were getting blown up multiple times so they thought we needed to pass to back them off.

      LR can’t help but go back to what his system is. He showed a lot of discipline sticking with it in that tenn game last year, but the trend is heading towards airing it out more and more.

  • Jason Vos says:

    I’m still at a loss to why our outside receivers never get enough touches compared to other spread teams. This has been an ongoing problem for many years. Seems our scheme runs through the slot receiver, and if we don’t have a good one like Broyles/ Shep then it’s an issue.

    You mean to tell me Mead/Smallwood/AD Miller none of these guys could get open at least once? I refuse to believe that, no one has DB’s that good.

    • thebigdroot says:

      This is something that has bugged me as well. How come every team (Tulsa??) can get receivers open and we can’t.

      • Jason Vos says:

        Exactly they find a way to get balls to their 2 star WR’s on the outside, yet we are unable to get the ball to any of our highly recruited outside receivers. Makes zero sense.

    • Hollywood says:

      The problem is Mayfield. He doesn’t want to throw picks so he is going to avoid close balls if he can.

      I saw four plays yesterday where wideouts had windows in coverage and he just wasn’t hitting them. Baxter and Mead were open all day, but then again they both suck at actually finishing plays so maybe that’s why hes’ not throwing to them.

  • Ura Hogg says:

    The offense must be adapted to its best players (Perine and Mixon). With no wide receivers worth wearing a uniform it’s time to teach some run blocking.

    • Daddy R says:

      This is what Riley said when he got here too, in response to the air raid taking away from perine and mixon. Said he was not stupid, that the offense needs to fit personnel. Someone needs to remind him of his own words.

    • thebigdroot says:

      I don’t completely blame our WR’s. I think Bob has beat it in our QB’s head that if it’s close don’t take a chance.

      • Ura Hogg says:

        Maybe so. Either way, whether we have the ability to complete passes or not, it’s indisputable who has the most talent on the offense. None of the receivers make that list.

  • Jason Vos says:

    All I read about the new Oline was how they were road graders and would be great at running the ball. So what do we do ? We run the ball 6 times with both Mixon and Perine and throw the ball all day to the same 2 ppl. That’s why we became predictable, and the Houston defense could pin their ears back and blitz all day.

  • John Garner says:

    It’s real simple: we were outcoached and outplayed. So tired of hearing myself say that. Texas last year. TCU too even though we won. And Clemson. Maybe we learn from this loss like we did after the loss in Dallas. I hope so. But unless our secondary dramatically improves, it’s going to be a long day vs. the Ohio State.

  • JDSooner says:

    So, I think I have to disagree a little with not having any WRs to throw to. Granted, there were times that Mayfield had very little time to throw and bailed out of the pocket WAAAAAAY too early, but it was obvious that he was worried about trying to fit the ball into tight windows and causing a possible turnover and held the ball when he could have let it fly. I can think of at least 5 times that he double clutched it and didn’t make the throw when he started to. He’s going to have a hard time building any trust with his receivers unless he gives them a chance to go up and fight for a difficult catch. I get it…he doesn’t want to revert back to his old “turnover machine” rep, but doesn’t he need to give these guys a chance? They were recruited to play at OU because they are phenomenal athletes that are really good at catching footballs…

    I’ve heard over and over that great throwing quarterbacks can “throw a receiver open”…unfortunately for BM, he doesn’t appear to be one of those type of QBs. This isn’t a bash on Mayfield…the kid is a winner. I’m just not sure he has the skill set to make the tough throws that it takes to win tight ball games. I’d sure like to think that Austin Kendall and Chris Robison fit into that mold…

    • Daddy R says:

      This is what I am saying about mayfield. Love the guy. Great personality, great leader it seems. But its his overall talent level that has me a bit concerned. Where is the gunslinger mentality he was supposed to have? When is our qb ever “making wr’s look better,” like so many great qb’s do? Maybe there was a reason he was a walk-on for two major universities, and other majors didnt really offer him? Possible last season’s play was a fluke for him? (wouldnt be the first time its happened to a qb…think Josh Mckown for the bears a couple years ago. Netted himself some millions with that season..)

      He scrambles way too much, and going with the law of averages, some of them are bound to be magical, I get it. But also with the law of averages, some/most are destined to flop, as they are beginning to. I’d like to see him stick with the play, and fire it in there to someone. If it gets picked, well hell, at least we’ll know who the real culprit is at that point (ie…no wr talent, etc…)

      And damnit man, when running the option for a two yard first down, PITCH THE DAMN BALL TO THE WIDE OPEN SAMAJE, you know, the RUNNING BACK!!?

    • diablodejalisco says:

      yes, when receivers run their routes over and over and end up with the same results of the quarterback holding the ball and getting sacked, after a while they also get discouraged. baker needs to work more with his receivers and get more of a rhythm. they just didn’t seem to be on the same page.

    • RonBurgundy says:

      I think Ward “threw receivers open”…

  • Jason Vos says:

    I watched the video on AD Miller on soonersports, and watched his feet. Kid can create separation, I have no doubt about that. I don’t even remember seeing him in the game, smh

    • Daddy R says:

      I didnt see him until the 4th, and he caught a nice out pattern near the sidelines on one of the last drives.

  • hOUligan says:

    I’m going to come out of lurk mode to agree with your opening statement; talent. When you have a guy that hasn’t played CB since hs 3 yrs ago and a frosh who just showed up both on your 2-deep, you ain’t deep. On the Oline, Bedenbaugh has had to go way down the board for recruits every year, bringing in last minute guys who with exceptions like OB, are good but not championship. When walkons are challenging for PT at multiple positions (line, WR, LB) not just one, there are talent issues. Where have OU recruiting classes been ranked, and not to get into the whole stars thing, but realistically, this has the markings of a good team, but not championship. A key is to hold onto most of the SS17 kids and try to build on ST18.

  • SCKSChief says:

    A least LSU lost to an unranked team…not that it helps us any.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      A lot of highly ranked, or ranked teams, that looked like crap this weekend.

      USC got slaughtered. Tennessee should have lost. Clemson, and their vaunted offense got off to a slow start. UF didn’t impress. LSU lost. Stanford didn’t look very good. Michigan State didn’t look very good. TCU didn’t look very good.

  • soonerinks says:

    Living in Kansas and local sports announcer has just been chirping about KU having a better record than Oklahoma. I am officially depressed!

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Play Like You Are Afraid Of Losing Today!

  • Won says:

    The view from a fan who fell in love with OU in the 70s.

    The BCS needs to go (Boren, Castiglione, Stoops)… the positions are to be stewards of this institution that in Oklahoma Football… they have all helped OU and I am grateful, but OU Football was here before them and will be afterward…

    Bob got complacent and thought he could just say OU and get kids to come but saying OU.

    Unfortunately we have not kept up (see Conf realignment planning and execution as an example) and there are now many more (and arguably better) options available for student athletes who want to get quality coaching and development, compete for Championships, and get to the next level.
    IMO We are in serious jeopardy of even being able continue to talk about National Championships.

    And last year was all on Baker. Y’all know if we didn’t have him we don’t win many of the games we did. The success we have had has been more about incredible individual efforts and abilities rather than well constructed and coached teams.

    BOOMER!

    • Brent says:

      Castiglione just completed the most successful overall athletic program in the history of the school.

    • ND52 says:

      Castiglione and Boren are more than holding up their end of the bargain.

      I challenge you to find ten programs—-other than programs such as Michigan and Alabama—–out there with a better combination of facilities, stadium and athletic dormitories for scholarship football players.

      And tell me which college president would you have rather had in place of Boren during the SAE scandal?

      • brainpimp says:

        Yea let’s a have a President that did a blatantly unconstitutional move in order to make it better for the University. Win the PR war and lose the legal one.
        /SMDH Principles mean nothing.

        • ND52 says:

          @brainpimp:disqus Please tell me how the USG has stopped the junior klansmen from SAE from speaking their minds.

          • brainpimp says:

            Well Sweetie, last I checked they are entitled to their 1st amendment speech rights and abhorrent as they were. There was no legal right to expel and shut down the entire house for the behavior of the ones found on film with no right of recourse or even a hearing. There was no legal basis for the actions. Boren clearly decided to win the PC pr WAR legal consequences be damned.

            Now that may be too much for your PC mind to handle but the truth is the truth.

          • ND52 says:

            #1 Don’t get cute with me online as though you’d do the same thing IRL.

            #2 The house was not—-not—–shut down but ordered off of school property: big, big difference.

            #3 The entire house was not expelled so it’s more than apparent that you came to this argument unarmed and unready to skirish.

            @brainpimp:disqus your name might as well be Bob Stoops.

          • brainpimp says:

            I’d say every bit of that to your face.

            Glad you admit people Thai had nothing to do with this had thither house shut down and forced out with no hearing and no fault.

            You conveniently avoid the entire central point.

          • ND52 says:

            Get back to me when you sober-up online tough guy @brainpimp:disqus

          • brainpimp says:

            Ha ha. Just because you would be a coward and not say what the truth is Doesnt mean others wouldn’t.

            Go ahead run away without actually addressing the factual portions of the argument. What Boren did was completely illegal but he could get away with it because the pc police said it was ok to punish speech they don’t like.

          • ND52 says:

            online tough guy @brainpimp:disqus = real life pussy

  • jaobryan1 says:

    Oklahoma recipe for long term success: go to the SEC and hire Dabo Swinney.

  • HoustonChiver says:

    We seem to have no ability to recruit O-lineman or D-lineman consistently.

  • OUn8v says:

    Jordan, I can’t find much to disagree with in your assessment. My immediate thoughts yesterday were that I kept reading that UH had almost an entirely new team on the field, yet they shut down our run and passing game BIG TIME. Credit for that, I believe, should go to Herman and their coaching staff, then to the execution by their players.

    I’ll apologize now, but every time I start to say “okay, okay” with anything positive done by MStoops and/Tim Kish, they both lay a turd like yesterday. I’m not sure that our overall defensive effort will change with the same guy in charge year after year. He’s the DC and he has his philosophy. I’ve never been impressed by Kish. Our LB play was mediocre at best. It has been that way, or less, for a few years now. If the young backers aren’t as good or better than Obo or JEvans, then what did the coaches miss in recruiting them? I mean, JEvans is a senior!!!

    I agree that our Dline played a pretty game, especially in the second half.

    We have two seniors starting at corner and neither one was effective. I, too, am confused as to why they continue to be starters. I’ve watched their play for a couple of years now. They might have a play every now and then, but that’s it.

    I’m not a good enough X and O guy to say what happened upfront on the O. I’m a fan of Samia since he was first recruited and would jump up and down like Donald Duck in a mad frenzy, when Dru wasn’t in the game and St John was. I thought Samia played well again. I scratch my head over Little Zeus. I know he’s good. Was he being out schemed? I don’t know and maybe JY or someone has the answer. The rest of the Oline wasn’t too impressive, as there were no running lanes. Was pass protection bad, or couldn’t the receivers not get open.

    If allowed, I believe Coach Cooks can get the DBs where they need to be, as long as he has the right players on the field. I believe that Coach B and Coach Thib can do the same thing. I’m not so sure if the book still isn’t out yet on Gale being the guy for a receivers coach, since he was so good at RBs for so long.

    I also agree that we fans have to take a lot of crap all week, but that’s fan stuff. I will survive it like I have since ’08. I mean, making the CFP wasn’t even good enough for some folks. I really thought this season we would see a marked improvement from those previous 8 years.

    I too hope to see some of the younger guys get their chance. I think some issues can be changed by the coaches, some from better execution by certain players, and I also think some personnel changes need to be on the table for reasonable consideration.

  • diablodejalisco says:

    well, now i am totally against Houston becoming part of the Big 12. we don’t need to be recruiting against these people every year. after this year herman will be gone and they will be back to their old self.

    • Ura Hogg says:

      That last part about Herman should be the real decision maker about adding Houston. Where were they before he arrived? What are their chances of keeping him if he continues on his current victory tour? There’s no basis for thinking that he has established a perpetual winning program that will remain such after his departure.

      • Daddy R says:

        To be honest though, if somehow Houston did make the CFP, why would he leave there just yet (with or without big 12 invite)?

        They’ll be able to pay him all he wants (texas money!), and if they actually made it this year and did well, they’d have an easier path than all others to get back.. wouldnt they?

  • Rene Goupillaud says:

    Fixing the issues takes a recognition of the issues. One big issue is caution. We were overly cautious and never looked relaxed after the first two possessions.

    I think we came out of halftime believing we’d still win the game, but the special teams blunder on the long field goal attempt created confidence for Houston. I thought Baker was always looking for the sure thing after that wanting to avoid another turnover. He needs to throw the ball where the receiver can have the advantage. Then it’s up to the receiver to catch it. Baker didn’t do that and so he got tackled a lot while scrambling around.

    I think the game was lost in the first half when we couldn’t get off the field when we had Houston 3rd and long. They scored on every possession.

    The defense was better in the second half, but still gave up a TD. The offense was disappointing after the long pass to Mixon. The running game was non existent despite success when we ran the ball.

    I believe Baker started feeling the pressure, feeling he had to do it himself. For a guy with his experience to get happy feet was a surprise. He needs to trust the other players and Lincoln needs to trust his running backs.

  • OceanDescender says:

    Jordan wade was one of the few really consistent guys at getting off blocks. Matthew Romar also had a nice game considering he was just going through concussion protocol. But Obo… dude you can’t get stupid personal fouls and busts multiple times and think a couple TFLs will save you. Too much talent at that spot to not supplant him like they did to Austin.

    • Daddy R says:

      Dimon made a few good plays too.

      • OceanDescender says:

        I remember him breaking into the backfield a bit but he was kind of the same as Tay Evans yesterday. Made like one or two plays that you can think of and then you have to actually go back and watch and see if they did anything else or were swallowed up the rest of the way. I know I remember Walker making plays and the two NGs showing up and doing their part but the othe r members of the defensive front not named Jordan Evans need to work on consistency.

        • Daddy R says:

          Good point.

        • Scott says:

          Dline was solid.

          • OceanDescender says:

            I agree. Their running game went nowhere and that does take an overall effort. I think I’m being a spoiled sooner fan in wanting to see more of the guys consistently flashing into the backfield but the routine plays are needed too.

          • Daddy R says:

            Think that will come when we get some of the younger guys in too.
            I liked what Houston was doing with Oliver. They let a bigger, older dlineman run a few plays to bull rush and wear down our guard, then they brought in Oliver to get right past em. Did this over and over. Interesting tactic, especially with a young guy.

          • OceanDescender says:

            That’s very interesting and something I didn’t see myself. I just knew that Oliver was harassing Cody Ford.

          • Daddy R says:

            I didnt notice it either until an announcer pointed it out.. Oliver is the real deal.

          • OceanDescender says:

            For sure.

          • brainpimp says:

            You saw the same damn thing I did. That is the kind of thing this coaching staff is not doing.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Coaching is the problem. No if ands or buts. If you can’t admit that you are the problem as well. Bob needs to pick it up. If he’s going to keep collecting my tithes I’d like to see that new addition finally built.

  • Daddy R says:

    You know, remember when the abc announcer before the game proclaimed that Perine will definitely get the record this year? Yeah, that gave me pause too…

  • Wilson says:

    Stopped reading…I think I will wait and read the story (the season) one chapter (week) at a time…creates a lot less undue stress..lol

    • Defend Colfax says:

      Every year is different but I’m going to be harder on Stoops. I’m still a supporter but no longer a defender.

      • Ura Hogg says:

        I think these kind of losses over the years have taken a toll on Stoops. He wants in a bad way to bring about change, but for some reason he can’t seem to overcome the issues that keep rearing up.

        • Defend Colfax says:

          I know he wants to win but it’s hard to stomach the same mistakes and with Bob never being as honest or endearing to the fans as a Switzer it wears thin.

          • Ura Hogg says:

            Agreed about getting tired of seeing those same mistakes. It seems that he has plateaued. Whatever fixes he is trying aren’t working.
            And yes, the personality difference does come into play. I never believe that he’s truly as confident as he tries to present himself.
            After losing a couple of NC games, it seems he has become more insecure and has put up even more of a barrier. That has affected his coaching as well IMO.

        • Maranatha846 says:

          He hasn’t been able to defeat the spirit of nepotism.

      • Daddy R says:

        Thats kind of where I’m at too, I think. I still like him, and am not really on the “fire him now” train, but damn, I’m definitely tired of defending him when our team lays eggs like that.

      • Ura Hogg says:

        Maybe he has reached his ceiling after overachieving to get the NC. I hope I’m wrong.

      • Bob Bender says:

        He broke rule number one for first games: always schedule a patsy at home.

        • Bob Bender says:

          Similar situation with non first games:
          Lost to Texas A&M frequently on the road.
          Lost to Texas Tech frequently on the road.
          Even Switzer’s teams did not beat Nebraska much in Lincoln.

  • Fear The Magic says:

    Im not so quick to jump off the ship as some I guess. I can’t even remember the last time that we came out in the first game of the season and looked good. Yes, the offense put up a measly 23 points but give Houston some credit. They came to play and their defense brought it big time. Houstons defense is actually pretty damn good.
    Just as a frame of reference, Tennesee scored 20 against Appalachian St, Michigan St scored 28 against Furman, Stanford scored 26 vs KSU ( probably an equal defense to Houstons ), UCLA scored 24 vs A&M, LSU scored 16 vs Wisc, and Florida scored 24 vs mighty UMass.
    In short, instead of trashing our whole offense why not give it a week or two and see where we are then. I somehow doubt that we’ve gone from one of the top scoring teams in the country to total HorseSh*t because of the loss of one (albeit excellent ) player.
    As for the defense, I know that it looked ugly and was for much of the day but minus the “kick 6” they gave up only 26 points to one of the best offenses in the country.

    • Daddy R says:

      Fear, fears not. 🙂

    • OceanDescender says:

      Im with you. As soon as they stop spinning their wheels in the mud (like they do to start every season), they’ll be rolling; I just hope it’s soon.

    • RocketCitySooner says:

      I wonder how many realize that OU had 393 yards total offense and Houston had 410. Not a huge difference.

      • Daddy R says:

        Weird right? I thinks its because 245 yards came in first half, and most of the rest came on the last drive of 4th quarter. 1 and 1/2 quarters in second half of some ugly offense.

        • RocketCitySooner says:

          Looking at the game statistics, this was a very close game that could have gone either way. That ‘kick-six’ was the deciding factor, a ten point swing at a most crucial moment. And, that kick was very close to being through. The double-clutch on the kick was the whole game.

          I also think Houston had all the incentives to play their best game of their lives, ie, conference realignment, and they did.

      • SCKSChief says:

        With Landry they had 400-500 yard games and didn’t hit 30 points. Yards mean squat. Points matter.

      • Ed Cotter says:

        Considering that Houston had 337 at halftime, the D did pretty well in the second half. The Kick 6 wasn’t on them either. Like Fear said, “Give Houston credit, they played inspired ball” They earned the victory.

        Still lots of season left. One game does not a season make.

    • hOUligan says:

      No ship jumping and the ship is still holding. It took until texsa last year, some refitting of the Oline, but the run game and entire O came together. So much of this scheme line, receivers, is timing critical. On D the front 7 is pretty good. Got to bring the rest together.

    • Vegas_Sooner21 says:

      There’s not a few weeks to give fear, that’s why we we are all frustrated. This is a damn Ferrari we have and when I feel 40 percent of the guys on this site could have called a better game plan than Riley did it causes massive amounts of frustration. I mean those short routes coupled with the flowers/Mixon/Perine backfield worked like gold then it was never used again. Obviously Samaje getting hurt didn’t help, but still. Defense played well IMO. 3 down needs improvement and that CB spot needs to go to the person who decided getting abused isn’t their thing. Obo is well, he’s been what we’ve all thought he would be. I say let Mark Jackson and Kelly get some serious PT. Will Johnson, Tay Evans, Austin Roberts and Walker were all beast on defense.

  • metzker says:

    I am crushed,but time to move on.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    As miserable as a loss feels I’m glad to have actual football back. I love my Sooners and this site is a great place to converse with other rabid fans. We don’t have to agree on everything but as always texas sucks.

  • CrimsonNative says:

    Rebuilding year. Yeah, I’m going with that.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Next year will be worse. Replacing entire secondary. Likely Walker. Maybe Perine/Mixon. Maybe Brown. Westbrook.

  • Walter Sobcek says:

    I’m not as discouraged by this game as others seem to be. When you’re playing a good team, it comes down to mistakes and a few big plays. Those went in favor of Houston. Ward was on fire with those back shoulder throws that are impossible to defend when on target, The Defense did a great job eliminating the QB runs, which bodes well for the future. As for the offense, there are three ways to beat the blitz: go over the top and give your WR a chance to make play; throw to your outlet back in the flats, or have the QB scramble his way out of harm’s way. Obviously BM opts for the latter, but without Sterling we need to utilize options 1 and 2 more often. And keep giving the rock to Sam and Mix. You can’t say there are no running lanes when you only run the ball a handful of times in the second half. I watched Fournette yesterday get stuffed repeatedly, but they kept pounding the ball, and in the 4th quarter he began to get big chunks of yards. He runs out of the I formation most of the time – can’t we let our guys run out of the I once in awhile? And how about some drag routes across the middle?
    The biggest issue I have with the Offense is their inability to beat defenders over the top. IMHO, we should be throwing downfield to Andrews at least sx times a game. If he can’t come up with the ball, he’ll make sure the defender doesn’t either.

  • JD says:

    Spot on assessment. The main issues I noticed where Baker not giving his wrs a chance to make a play or get a PI call to move the chains, Ward allowed his big wrs to make the plays and boy did they. There were a few questionable PI calls on our dbs and perhaps lack of offensive PIs called on their guys for pushing off early. We didn’t get near enough pressure. I hated seeing the 3 man rush and then them getting along pass play because Ward had all day to throw. The personal fouls were uncalled for and at least one was nitpicky. One had allowed a drive to continue resulting in a score. Then there is the fg…I can’t believe he couldn’t get a 53 yarder there. Looks like Bob and Boulware were completely shocked also. If that doesn’t happen its a 3 point game. Wow. Still shocked….No way in hell Id let Houston into the b12. They’re cleaning up Houston area and would more so if they got in. The only thing is if they make the play off this year and sign Herm long term the question is would the sec or another conference look at them to grab the market. I could see the b12 taking them to prevent that

    • Walter Sobcek says:

      I wrote on another post that special teams is a litmus test (the canary in the cold mine) as to how buttoned down the coaching is regarding attention to detail. We’ve been burned by poor ST play the past two seasons, and we were burned again last night. This needs to be fixed, pronto. NO excuse for poor preparation on special teams.

      • JD says:

        im not real high on Boulware. I think Gundy did a better job and perhaps he also helps with STs. That said our STs has lacked for a good number years. I thought Boulware was suppose to bring that SEC swag to our STs unit. More detail definitely needs to go into STs

  • JD says:

    Ed Oliver was ready game1

  • RJPope says:

    I agree that this is a ‘talent’ issue. However, it starts at top. There is a pattern now where we have snagged 4 to 5 star recruits, only for them to transition into 2 to 3 star prospects after several seasons! This is a coaching issue. We simply are not making players better.

    • Cav66 says:

      It is strange. You always hear this staff talk about these high talent recruits as needing to develop “consistency”. I saw Ed Oliver playing, and he wasn’t consistently great, but he became more effective as the game went on. I’m starting to think that consistency may not be best developed languishing on the bench.

      • bommer85 says:

        I said this in other posts before…if your most talented players arr young and on the bench but you have just an ok senior playing what good does that do? From all accounts this offseason gallimore is a beast, kelly is a baller etc. Let the talent go out there and make plays! Stop making it over complicated. Its football, none of these schemes are that f’n hard. Let em play ball

  • j l says:

    Secondary was by far the most disappointing to me. How do you return 4/5th’s of what was a pretty good secondary, and regress that much?

    O-line as well. You got bookend tackles, 2 studs at guard, and you cant stop the rush, or open holes. cmon guys.

    Lets just all hope for some rapid improvement, like we saw after the texas game last year.

    • Cav66 says:

      I can’t help but think there will be rapid improvement. We have some holes at CB and WR that may be talent issues, but the rest of the team just needs to play to their ability.

      • j l says:

        We definitely can play better than we did yesterday. If we play up to our ability, we can still have a pretty good season.

    • Walter Sobcek says:

      JI, I think we did excellent against the run – 40 carries for 2.2 yard per carry. The issue was that they have have big bodied recievers who are a matcup problem for any defender, epsecially with those back shoulder throws. Agree with the O line – would like to see more drive blocking and less pulling.

  • ND52 says:

    This sums up yesterday pretty well:

    Could somebody tel me what #27 is doing?? He tackled a blocker! #BoomerSooner https://t.co/y4PnbeR2Zj— Coach Warren (@DemetricDWarren) September 3, 2016

  • Walter Sobcek says:

    This was not the Clemson game. espn may be saying OU was manhandled, but that was not the case. We failed to hande the blitz, got away from the run game, and made some very costly errors on defense. Houston ran 80 plays to our 60. Threee of their scoring drives were extended by penalties. If we play these guys again, I like our chances.

    • SquidGiant says:

      The box score is close in most areas.

    • Cav66 says:

      We showed the perfect formula on the first drive offensively, and then we outsmarted ourselves the rest of the day. Defensively, we have some work to do.

      • Walter Sobcek says:

        True, but we handled the run very well, and those big bodied receivers are a matchup problem for everyone.

    • Matt says:

      You’re making too much sense for this forum. Cut it out! Fire Bob! Fire Mike! Cut Obo!…sadly I even heard a caller on KREF yesterday say it was on Jordan Evans…said “he sucks and always has”. I’m just like…what?

    • SCCoog89 says:

      Because if you play these guys again … you show up and take the game seriously … instead of being offended that an upstart school would dare face the vaunted Oklahoma Sooners, hit’em square in the mouth and take the game away … and Houston got their share of calls (7-75 on penalties to OU’s 5-66 … ) … now tell me how they all came at the wrong time … hot air and bluster …

  • brainpimp says:

    My number one concern at this point is the Oline. Bedenbaugh for as much as you guys have been a cheerleader for him has NEVER shown me even and inkling he can develop a drive blocking line of any consequence. None, zero, nada.

    • Walter Sobcek says:

      Agree. With our size on the O line, I would like to see more drive blocking and less zone pulling.

      • Cav66 says:

        I would love to see us bring more variations to our running game to include power running (drive blocking). I know it isn’t our base scheme, but being able to go to a real power game at the right time would add a nice dimension to our offense. I don’t doubt the ability to get it done, I just don’t know that there is any push to do it.

        • Ura Hogg says:

          Find a way to make lanes for those two OUtstanding RB’s. Please Riley!!!

        • hOUligan says:

          Something I am waiting for JY to address in ‘trench warfare’ this week. Think many of us said this was our biggest fear w the Riley hire; back to a spread mentality when we have nfl backs and REPORTEDLY an Oline coach who likes big linemen w a narsty attitude. Line up and shove people off the los. It makes the whole team tougher and brings that bully mentality. Be the hammer!!

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      What? Last year OU, after Texass, averaged close to 300 yards rushing per game!

  • Cav66 says:

    Jordan – Great summation of the issues from Saturday. You did a great job voicing my frustrations and concerns as a Sooner fan. Not much to argue with. I hope our talent gaps don’t bite us in the rear all season. If you aren’t more talented, you have to out execute the other team. That falls on coaching and hard work. I’m cautiously hopeful, but we’ll see.

    • Ura Hogg says:

      Coaching and hard work. I believe, I think, that the hard work has been put in.
      Coaching is lacking in many many areas.

      • Cav66 says:

        Possibly, but there is nothing to say that coaches can’t up their game as the season goes along.

        • Ura Hogg says:

          That’s exactly what I’m hoping for. Just wish they would have upped their game in the spring and summer preparations for Houston.

          • Cav66 says:

            That opportunity has been lost. It sucks, but time to focus on what can be done from my perspective.

          • Ura Hogg says:

            Now’s the time to wonder what changes will be made between now and the Welcome to Norman game against Meyer’s Buckeyes.
            It’s really hard to be optimistic.

          • Cav66 says:

            That is the tough part of being a fan and not being on the inside. You have no idea what changes (if any) are being made. I have seen this team come back from a bad performance and be dominant as recently as last year. Do we have the talent and resolve to do it again? I’m a fan. All I can do is watch and (optimistically) hope for the best.

    • hOUligan says:

      My first reaction was to reassess OUr talent level, recognizing that there is a ‘top tier’ of a dozen or so big name schools that are able to bring in top recruits/classes year after year. Then a 2nd and then the others. OU has as good/ better talent than the ‘lower’ 90% BUT the margin for error in games is so thin w the scholarship limits that it comes down to the finer points and even a few calls that decide games like this one. Does anyone really believe UH has overall better talent than OU? On this day, their staff, like many others, did a better job across the board than OUr staff, again, and got their team better prepared and able to compete at a higher level. Think there is room for improvement across the board. I hate to use you know who, but they have talent and maximize that talent year after year after year w peak mental preparation as well.

      • Cav66 says:

        Agreed on almost everything. I don’t believe UH has better talent than OU, but they exploited the areas where our talent isn’t top tier (CB for instance) very well. Our WRs may have talent, but they were almost completely negated by an inexperienced secondary. As a whole, I believe we were the more talented team on the field, but were badly out-executed in many areas. UH exploited our weaknesses to perfection. Our corners are not more talented than their WRs. They exploited that fact over and over, and we had no answer. We have to up our execution in all areas, but particularly in those areas where our talent is not top tier.

        • hOUligan says:

          And that preparation was the difference. Seems I read all week about UH replacing CBs, too, yet their ‘lesser recruits’ outperformed our more highly recruited CBs and made OUr WRs ineffective.

  • Will Narramore says:

    Oklahoma notoriously starts out slow the past half dozen years or slow. Not sure why that is, maybe it’s a product of Stoops being too cautious with full contact physical practices during camp. That said, I do think yesterday was just a perfect storm of everything that could go wrong for OU did. I no longer have national title aspirations because I don’t think we’re the complete team many pegged us as but I think 10-2 with a Big 12 title is still very realistic

    • Ura Hogg says:

      Too many ‘perfect storms’ in recent years. You start to wonder is it really a perfect storm, or the captain of the ship that’s to blame?

  • Farmer Glickstein says:

    I don’t like hearing people complain about officiating because they almost always sound like they are making excuses for their team’s performance. Let me apologize now for being one of those people. I don’t have an objective opinion here, but through my Sooner eyes it seemed like Houston’s offense kept being helped out with pass interference and personal fouls, while penalties that usually kill drives, like holding, kept going uncalled. My eyes did see all of the poor play, and there was plenty, that contributed to the loss, but to me yesterday, it felt like the refs were working with an agenda.

  • Maranatha846 says:

    I believe we will see an all out air attack against ULM to find out which players deserve playing time and who doesn’t. Shouldn’t have to be that way because that’s what fall camp is for. Then against tOSU we will go heavy run because the question of receivers will have been answered showing none of them are consistent at getting open nor catching the ball.

    • Ura Hogg says:

      Time for some run blocking sessions against ULM. We’ve got to be able to run the ball against tOSU and not much was implemented against Houston to get the O-Line to open some lanes.

  • DCinAZ says:

    The play calling and complete negligence in getting Perine and Mixon involved should be disturbing to EVERYBODY. Our best playmakers on offense are Mixon and Perine and Andrews. Not Baker, not the WRs, just those three, yet we continue to put the game on the QBs shoulders no matter what.
    And saying “I need to find more ways to get Perine and Mixon the ball” after a completely incompetent gameplan isn’t acceptable when you make $950K and you saw what these two could do last year. I’m more than a little fed up with air raid monkey business and their cluelessness about how to incorporate NFL caliber RBs into their offense. THAT’S. NOT. ACCEPTABLE.

    • Ura Hogg says:

      Couldn’t agree more. Really, he suddenly forgot during the game who he had in the backfield? No, it’s either stubbornness in wanting to force his system to work, or a complete lack of confidence in the O-Line’s ability to open lanes.

    • Cav66 says:

      Agreed. Riley needs to make Mixon, Perine, and Andrews focal points of his game plan. They are our best play-makers. Baker is a play-maker as well, but he is at his best when he is getting the ball in the hands of those players regularly. If the defense isn’t worried about them, all they have to do is cover our average WRs and pummel Baker in the pocket.

      • Thegunnfather says:

        Mixon and Perine are obviously phenomenal. But I have no idea who else could or couldn’t be or what our identity on offense is even supposed to be.

    • Ura Hogg says:

      And where was Bob Stoops during the game? Does he not have any input on what he sees taking place with the offense? Are we really supposed to believe that he didn’t notice Perine and Mixon weren’t getting touches most of the game? This is a problem.

      • Ura Hogg says:

        What management (HC) allows, management condones.

      • Thegunnfather says:

        Because they got no yards when the got the ball because it is always some version of a draw that really only works when your completing a lot of passes in your pass first offense.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Last year, OU averaged 42 points a game with that “Air-Raid monkey business.” I think Riley felt they couldn’t run on Houston, look at the progression of run plays and their lack of gain after the opening series.

      • Ryan means says:

        That’s the problem you look at any team who will be in the playoffs or actually compete they will have a running game and an Oline that can hold there own against anyone and we can’t open up any lanes it seems we got beat off the line every play.

      • Spitting Bull says:

        Funny how Houston stuck with the run even though we were stone walling them all day. Did their receivers just run better routes? Did their QB do a better job of going through his progressions? Or finally, did our DB’s and LB’s just play that bad? I guess it’s some combination and the fact that Ward would avoid being tackled long enough to hit an open guy. I noticed their young lineman stayed with their blocks much better than OUrs.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Last year, OU averaged 42 points a game with that “Air-Raid monkey business.” I think Riley felt they couldn’t run on Houston, look at the progression of run plays and their lack of gain after the opening series.

    • Rob says:

      Agreed – the option play where Baker keeps should never ever ever be run again. In fact never ever run the option unless you are set on pitching it. Just ridiculous. Too many of the plays were completely obvious pre-snap. An armchair fan could have predicted 75% of the plays.

    • Thegunnfather says:

      I do not want to be Texas tech. And they are way better at running this offense than we are. Always worked real good until they play OU. A team that could play defense and run it down your F’n throat.

  • rainydaze114 says:

    Man, once Riley got away from the big set (2 RBs, 2 WRs, TE), the offense disappeared. Running off tackle seemed to work pretty well too, but they quit that also. The pass plays took too long to develop and the run plays were obvious. Feels like Riley thought he would just coast through this game and win.

    Does OU not run tackling drills anymore? Same old story there… felt like the Texas game last year. Dakota was giving up 6-8 inches on that WR, obviously he’s going to struggle. Should’ve switched Thomas onto him much, much earlier. Obo is a special teams player at best. Wish we could’ve seen what Kelly could do. I didn’t feel like the scheme was bad, just poor execution all around.

    • Cav66 says:

      Agreed on everything except the scheme. The scheme was good for everything except 3rd and long. I’m not saying that you don’t contain, but giving Ward all day to throw (and his receivers all day to get open) negated any advantage we had by having them in 3rd and long, with obvious results. We needed to plan for situational pressure. We got a little in the second half, but we mostly sat back in coverage and waited for them to pick up long 3rd downs.

      • rainydaze114 says:

        That was a little bit of a catch 22 for Mike though. Your DBs have been getting beat all game, so what do you do? Put them on an island and blitz? Or give them help and hope Ward has to throw it short or incomplete? I really don’t know what should have been done there.

        • Cav66 says:

          I get what you are saying, and I am not among those who bash Mike Stoops. I would just like to see a more aggressive approach when the situation warrants. The scheme worked in terms of containing Ward and stopping the run for the most part. My problem is that giving any QB the time he was given to throw is going to put your CBs in an almost impossible position. On 3rd and long, do what you can to force that QB to make a quick decision. Receivers don’t have all day to get open. The QB doesn’t have the time to line up that perfect back-shoulder throw. There is no 100% solution, and I am no defensive genius, but what we did doesn’t work. I’m hoping to see a more aggressive approach moving forward.

          • rainydaze114 says:

            Me too, but we don’t have anyone like Striker or Bond anymore. Those guys had a knack for getting after the QB.

          • Cav66 says:

            We don’t have Striker and Bond, but we have some LBs who can run, and might develop their QB hunting skills if they are turned loose in obvious passing situations.

          • rainydaze114 says:

            No doubt. Lots of young talent on the roster, just probably don’t think they would have helped yesterday.

      • rainydaze114 says:

        Not to mention several penalties on 3rd down… that’s not on the coach.

  • Exiled In Ohio says:

    I had just the opposite perception on OU kickoffs. I thought Seibert did a great job. His kickoffs looked like punts: great hang time. Yes, you take some risks allowing them to return kicks, but stuffing them inside the 20 also pays dividends. Yeah, I don’t mind kickoffs that go through the uprights, but ones that come down from the ionosphere at the 2 yard line aren’t so shabby either.

  • BR says:

    Jordan … You are the man, the only difference I thought I seen was, and maybe I just mid interpreted, I felt like the defense scheme was to heavy on the run and exposed the secondary. I was sure we would pick off one of those lob passes

    • hOUligan says:

      I am praying that is so and SS17 and ST18 are more determined than ever. They just need to see a staff capable of developing them completely.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        Clearly, that should not be questioned. Stoops has a lot of ex Sooners playing pro ball.

        • hOUligan says:

          True dat. Plus the integrity of Bob and his staff. But until these guys are signed, all is open for questioning.

        • Won says:

          I didn’t know we got Championships for putting guys in the NFL… The player development both on and off the field are awesome.
          The sideline gameday facets of coaching and motivation are are a not very good….
          We have been schooled on big-game gameday more than once… and he has, after much pressure, switched coaches/systems/etc… it doesn’t appear to be workin…

          Bob Stoops has now been in tenure for the longest time period (over 15 years now) since 1950 where they have not won a National Championship…

          Impatiently waitin on 8….

          BOOMER!

  • Robert Boone says:

    I like playing a good non conference schedule, just not the first game. Seems like we get off to a slow start every year. I also think we need a fresh face with a DC. I’m not bashing Mike, but it’s time to bring someone with a different philosophy and fire them up. I like Riley, but think Baker, Shep and Perine gave him too much credit. They definitely have to adjust to life after Shep.

    • cozyone says:

      I pointed this out yesterday, seems like OU always come out of the gate slowly, pick it up in the middle and end of season and are hot going into the bowls, where we get cold again and fizzle in important games.

      • Daddy R says:

        Long layoffs no good for Bob and Co. Thats why I always hate bye weeks too. Seems like we are always flat after them..

        • Spitting Bull says:

          Yeah, good point. First games and bowl games. Big Game Bob doesn’t seem to get them ready. Only against Bama!

  • DR LEO MARVIN says:

    Depressing but if we get back on track and beat Ohio State we will be ok. I think what killed us most was not running the ball.

  • Travis Detherage says:

    If OU strolls into the Texas game at 1-3? Wow!

    • hOUligan says:

      Which unfortunately is the more likely scenario that is unfolding. That tOsu game is looming larger and so important lookng ahead to texsa. Looking forward to seeing how texsa looks today.

      • Travis Detherage says:

        Yes, I think so too. Lose to Ohio State and go into the bye week at 1-2 then have to face TCU on the road then a desperate Texas team is a nightmare scenario.

    • Scott says:

      3-1 but ok

  • Hollerback says:

    Mike Stoops ran the PREVENT DEFENSE on 3rd and long.

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    I feel like OU fans are getting the “it’s not the end of the world” mentality pushed down their throats a little too much. Don’t get me wrong, I get that it’s a game and that it is not, in fact, the end of the world. That mentality, however, is a slippery slope. When does the contentment end? Should we be happy with 10 wins and maybe a conference title? With a HC making +$5 mill and the rest of the coaching staff making somewhere around that combined, why should we expect, and be okay with a middle of the pack finish?

    It’s not being entitled, it’s expecting production from a high priced piece of equipment. I don’t know if the university should be paying for a Mercedes G Class if they’re getting the performance of a Jeep Wrangler.

    • Defend Colfax says:

      Just keep paying those tithes. It’s not in our hands. 🙂

    • DCinAZ says:

      It’s like buying a Lamborghini and being forced to accept that it has a governor on it.

    • Cav66 says:

      No doubt we should expect better than what we saw yesterday. That was unacceptable. There is no reason that Sooner fans shouldn’t expect the best. Hoping for, and expecting, a lot better moving forward.

    • Ed Cotter says:

      I don’t know, I am rooting for the team they put on the field and I trust in the coaches. As a coach myself, I have been privy to second guessing by people that know a lot less than I do, and frankly, I could care less what they think, especially when I put out teams that are competitive and vie for championships every year anyway. I have the support of my administration who is extremely happy with the fact my players do well in school. graduate and are productive members of the school community.

      I will root for this team like I did for the ones in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and into the new millenium. These players and coaches are giving it everything they have. They are working hard and sometimes things just don’t go your way in the games. While I love to see the team win, I am rooting for them win or lose. That’s my perrogative as a fan, just like it is for others to complain. BOOMER SOONER and let’s get the next one!

    • Boomer4life says:

      Although neither of these vehicles would be my first choice, The wrangler would actually be a better bang for your buck off road vehicle than the G wagon. The G wagon is a horrible never should of been produced vehicle. Sorry for the rant, I have been in New vehicle purchasing for to many years I guess.

    • Rob says:

      Well OU was in the final 4 playoff last year. Only 3 other teams did that. So that’s definitely meeting my expectations as a fan and booster.

  • BoomCity89 says:

    One thing that was disappointing at the game, the overall OU fan base being so quiet. I can understood when things got bad in the 2nd half but there was no excuse for the 1st half. Everyone who had a UH shirt seemed to be standing and cheering all game. Multiple times I would turn around and see large sections of OU fans sitting and being very quiet, even when we were up 7-0 and 10-3. I really hope that changes soon, losing sucks yes, but when you barely make any noise for the opposing team while their on offense…. come on. I felt like Ward could talk to coach Herman from the sidelines because of how quiet it was while he was on offense.

    This isn’t the NFL, where everyone sits and only cheers when good things happen. This is college football, this is Sooner football! Get off your ass, make some damn noise and let it be known that you’re a Sooner!

  • JBSooner says:

    Jordan, you asked for out thoughts, so here’s mine.

    Our defense, especially our secondary is bad. It looks like Mike Stoops just won’t stop trying to force a small lineup into situations where they are set up to fail. I like will Johnson’s athleticism, but he’s not Eric Striker and never will be. We need more Strikers and (Devante) Bonds, not more converted DBs trying to play LB. We need tall athletic corners. I had hoped Austin would work out, but he’s too small and not fast enough. Cobb looked as lost as Mbanasor did against Tulsa. Obo hasn’t learned a thing from the past and continues to hurt us with STUPID penalties. In a nutshell, our D is undersized, slow and poorly coached. That factor is going to kill this season.

    Offense: It is officially time to give up on listening to these coaches when they say they are finally going to fully utilize a TE type like Andrews. It’s not going to happen. We hear it every year, and every year it’s the same old line of bullshit.

    I have hope special teams will improve, but that won’t be nearly enough. This season is going to be 2014 revisited. If we finish the season with only 4 losses, that will be an accomplishment.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      ANDREWS IS NOT A TE. He is not a solid blocker and has trouble getting consistent separation.

  • soonerborn says:

    I think that Lincoln needs to move upstairs with Mike. That way he can see what’s going on and where the weaknesses are in the defenses are.

  • SE Sooner says:

    I think we would all love to see Bob have a Tom Osbourne type renaissance to end his career here at OU. The biggest promblem is that football is far more competitive now than back then. You have to be relentless in recruiting these kids now.
    you keep hearing that OU had gotten complacent on the recruiting trail for about 5-6 years . Those years have come back to haunt us in several positions. I think Bob has taken the Spurrier approach to his coaching and less Bill Synder.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    I thought 8-4 was a likely season record ; that may prove to be overly optimistic…….

  • ohiosoonerdevildog says:

    I have an issue too with the fact that every time we play a team with any semblance of a d we struggle. I’m not saying I expect to score 50 on a good defense, but high 20s or low 30s. texass had a good last year,we struggled. Clemson had a good d,we struggled. Houston had an aggressive d, we struggled. Sorry to say there is a pattern there. And I’m no oline expert so maybe someone else could weigh in, but would the maulers we have be better off in a pro style power run game? Where they just put their hand in the dirt and fire off the ball? I personally (jmo before I get called an idiot) but I would like to see us go to a more pro style power attack, with Baker throwing from rollouts on play action. I know Andrews isn’t a great blocker but is he good enough blocking to play a more traditional te role? Then have him hit a seam on a play action. And at this point if they aren’t going to let the young wrs play,then we need the least amount of upper-class wrs on the field as possible. They don’t get open at all. IMO I dont think Rileys spread fits the personnel we have. All just my thoughts and opinions.

  • Maranatha846 says:

    Well, now we have had a day to think about the game, it appears most now are trying to rationalize things. Guys, we were terrible and if we don’t get better real quick we are in for a long season. There is not one positive you can take from that game yesterday, not one. We were whipped in every phase of the game, offense, defense, special teams, coaching. There is not one of those areas where we excelled over a group of 2 and 3 star players plus 1 five star and one helluva coaching staff.

    • Cav66 says:

      Yes. Terrible performance. Now I hope we get it together and come out and start playing winning football. (Just for fun: Our first drive was positive. The misdirection bootleg play to Andrews for a TD was well executed and positive. That’s two.)

    • Cornelius Adamski says:

      After the loss to texico last year, I was certain we would lose at least another 3 games. We’re all dissapointed again but I’ll reserve the doom and gloom until we drop a 2nd game. I have faith that the coaching team that “righted” the ship last year will do their best to address the failures witnessed yesterday moving forward. Fool me once, shame on you….fool me twice, who wants cheap tOSU tix?

  • LottsSocks says:

    For the love of all things, who is coaching technique to our DB’s?

    Please watch Bamas DB play sometimes, they are relentless in their coverage and know to swivel their heads to look for the ball. Doesn’t matter – frontside, backside throws. How is it these guys are returning starters and still play with their back to the ball?

    How it it the Stoopses, themselves former DBs allow such atrocious play? This is a perpetual mystery to me?!

    • Cav66 says:

      Good questions. I wish our staff could provide the answers, because our DBs do not look sharp.

    • Cody Davis says:

      Cobb looked good until he has to hold coverage for an extended petiod of time. He looked very good out there most of the time, especially for a true freshman in his first game.

      Thomas is a top tier Db, this was my be game….

  • Cody Davis says:

    I’m a longtime viewer of TFB, which is one if the best CFB sites around. However, every time we lose (every year) Esco always has baseless negative thoughts, from a lack of talent too we need a new coach. I know I can always just ignore, but I love this site. I would much rather wait an extra day and read a real analysis rather than a pure emotional one.

    Also, I was at the game, it was frustrating, but it was clear it came down to three -four plays. Bottom line, I saw a team that didn’t play it’s best in their first game.

    If we have more than two losses after Dallas, then we can start talking about a disappointing season. Until then, let’s hold off on the chicken little mentality.

    • Zack says:

      Normally I would agree with you about these type of posts but the fact is that esco has had to write more post game reactions/ramblings to losses than we would all like.

      • Cody Davis says:

        True, but it was our toughest first game in the past 5-10 years….

        Regardless, the sky isn’t falling, yet. ..

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Respectfully, if you watched the same game I did and didn’t come away thinking OU has a talent problem, at least with respect to the actual guys that saw the field, then I’m just not sure we were watching the same two teams.

      You can call it chicken little or whatever you want. Just as you can focus on only the negatives I pointed out while failing to acknowledge the positives, of which there were several.

      Waiting another day wasn’t going to change how I feel after watching that game. Maybe it did/will for you and, if so, that’s great.

      I’ll continue choosing to evaluate things based on the evidence available, while others just hope things will get better (as do I, btw, but it doesn’t prevent me from seeing the reality of things in their current form, either).

      • metzker says:

        I cant really disagree with any thing you have stated.

        • Slim Sooner says:

          Nor can I. Everything in the above analysis is accurate in my opinion. It makes me uneasy when posters criticize JE even though he can certainly take up for himself. I just don’t want him to ever say F it and leave this site. I’m still butt hurt today like most everybody else, but still and always Boomer Sooner to the bone. I’m not football smart enough to armchair coach and evaluate our games like so many others are able to do so well. I hate losing to anyone so badly it literally makes me sick. Not ready to fire the coaches or boot any of our guys. But I appreciate everyone sharing their ideas and opinions.

      • Cody Davis says:

        Other than center and our 4-6 deep receivers, where did you see the talent problem?

        I saw a huge talent gap to our favor in our first three offensive series. I saw what looked like an experience issue on defense in the first half and it seemed a light turned on in the second half. The second half for the offense was clouded by the turnovers and several mental errors.

        Please don’t take me the wrong way, I enjoy nearly everything you’ve posted for many years. I did see your positive notes , as I always do. It just seems to be a very different, less objective, Esco after losses.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          WR, interior OL, DL, LB, DB & coaching. I think that about covers it.

          The idea that I’m less objective after a loss just doesn’t compute. I’m objective win or lose, it’s one of the things I have always prided myself on.

          No matter what I (or really anyone) write, people are always going to read it from their perspective and very often the actual message is misconstrued as a result.

  • Robert Boone says:

    Ohio state will a huge game for the rest of the season. We will be a dog at home and will be fired up to play. We seem to play better against traditional teams. We would get a huge confidence lift if we can pull it off. Btw… TCU looked weak on both side of the ball yesterday.

    • Zack says:

      The Ohio state game can be a turning point. If stoops can get these players motivated and pulls off the win, then there’s a good chance OU runs through the rest of the schedule. At this point if I was told we would be 10-2 at the end of the season, I would settle for that.

  • Indy_sooner says:

    In my opinion, we had a collection of issues not go our way. Our boys were rattled, played scared the entire time. No time whine, dust the dirt off and suit up for the next guy. You learn more in a loss, (also imo) and in the scheme of things, I’d rather that happened early.

  • metzker says:

    Kick 6 and missed fg guys its not that bad. Yes im disappointed but I think ok that’s our loss for the season that’s it
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • michael hammond says:

    Armchair qb’s and defensive coordinators have no clue. This loss was on the offensive line. Running stats are everything. If you have an evenly balance play call but can’t pick up run yardage or block long enough for routes to open, hard to succeed. Line got pushed around all day.

    • Zack says:

      Play calling can make up for poor OL play. Or putting guys in better position to succeed. Houston’s OL didn’t look great, we seemed to get pressure easily or often but Ward was able to complete passes.

      • michael hammond says:

        Just researched whole game. OU couldn’t run effectively and Mayfield was scrambling entire game. Never got a push, so how do you make up for lack of run game or Mayfield getting less than 3 seconds to pass or find receivers. This game was an exact repeat of Dallas last year. You’ve got to move people no matter the play call. My guess is the shuffling of linemen all the way up to last week of practice showed in inconsistency’s on the line. Maybe power I with double tight ends and H-back and try to get a push, but not this teams strength.

        • Alwaysasooner says:

          Baker had time even if and when he created it his self. If it takes the wr that long to create space we might as well go to a two tight end set and just try and run.

          • michael hammond says:

            So it’s the receiver’s fault that Mayfield was scrambling almost every pass play. Hard to see the field with defenders running up on you. Color it how you want to, O-line didn’t get it done.

          • Alwaysasooner says:

            Well i will color it this way if u like, ou wasn’t better than Houston at any position so im confident in saying thats what got them beat it wasn’t just the oline or wr. Houston was more aggressive and more talented across the boad it appeared. They had inexperienced players and youth maybe more so than ou playing and they got the job done.

          • michael hammond says:

            Houston has 19 returning starters this year.

          • Alwaysasooner says:

            Those 19 were the best at their position Saturday

          • Alwaysasooner says:

            Those 19 were the best at their position Saturday

    • Daddy R says:

      Hard to have running stats when the rb’s only get 12 carries. 12 carries, 71 yards…thats what, 5.9 ypc?

      • michael hammond says:

        Exactly…

        • Daddy R says:

          Seemed like you were insinuating that we couldn’t run the ball, because of the oline. I was pointing out that its hard to know that when we only attempted 12 carries, of which, we did look like we could run just fine.

          Maybe I misunderstood your post?

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Daddy R If what you say is true, then Riley shouldn’t be coaching here. It was the OL and if you look at the tape after Mixon’s 32 yard run, the gains got less and less. Perine had one short burst, but got hurt. After that Mixon was hit for losses. One thing, BM sgould not being carrying the rock 13 times.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        Obviously, after Perine got hurt, Riley saw that we could not run block.

        • Daddy R says:

          I disagree. Perine got hurt on a play when he gained yardage. Riley quit running because he just quit running. He even said so…

          Of course you will have plays that are stuffed running, or for minimal yardage. Then you get a play like Mixon’s run. Its a give and take with running the football. But you dont give up on it til you’re down too much, later in the game.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        Obviously, after Perine got hurt, Riley saw that we could not run block.

  • metzker says:

    Jordan ive had some time to reflect.We missed some tackles but over all not to bad.Obo blew a few for sure.The pi againt Dakota was bull shi!@#@#$$.Imho that changed a lot as to how the game went.Just my thoughts.Lets all not be hwsnbn ok?

    • Maranatha846 says:

      I guess if we hadn’t recovered the Coog fumble in our endzone we would have another perspective, huh?

    • Hotrod33 says:

      I thought two plays hurt. The td on the Fg and the fumble recovery that led to a td. That is 14 pts right there. You can’t give points away like that.

      • metzker says:

        Agree

      • Maranatha846 says:

        I’m thankful we recovered their fumble in our endzone or it would have been worse. Must admit, it helps that UH got conservative from middle of third Qtr on, because we had no answer for their third and long plays.

      • Rick says:

        It sounds so sane coming from you today, I was an idiot yesterday implying the same….Boomer Hotrod!!!!!

        • Hotrod33 says:

          It was so frustrating the way we played. There were a couple of other things that went against us that looking back, we have got to play better on 3rd downs period. I was at the game and boy you could just see the tide turn on that kick 6. I still had a great time and we will live to play another day.

        • Hotrod33 says:

          It was so frustrating the way we played. There were a couple of other things that went against us that looking back, we have got to play better on 3rd downs period. I was at the game and boy you could just see the tide turn on that kick 6. I still had a great time and we will live to play another day.

    • Cody Davis says:

      I agree

    • cush creekmont says:

      Metz, you are right about the PI. Yet, a good OU team would push on and beat the crap out of that Houston team. Maybe it was not Coach BB that directed the line last year, but OUr center. Perhaps his lack of strength hurt, but apparently the current O-line needs to know what to do.

      And back to the PI, the DBs were terrible – beat on “back shoulder” all day long. I was particularly upset about Thomas – “best corner in this year’s draft” If that is true, the NFL should not take a corner till the 6th round.

  • Indy_sooner says:

    A loss is one thing. BUT I think we are all tired OU giving espn some highlight reel every.single.season. I think, to me, that hurts more than the loss itself.

    • Zack says:

      Eh I don’t care about ESPN. I would say we just all want #8 and are tired of waiting.

      • Maranatha846 says:

        Every time I turn to espin they are running the fg return and guys are laughing. I don’t care about espin but care about my Sooners and sick of boneheaded calls by coaches paid millions.

        • Zack says:

          Stoops has set himself up in many ways for that kind of humiliation. He’s one of the more vocal coaches against the media’s coverage of the sec. And he is the idiot who let his kicker try a 53 yard field goal.

    • hOUligan says:

      Not just ESecSpin, the national media. It just feeds the narrative of a weak, perennially underperforming OU being the flagship team of a weak conference. Should this continue, I might begin to believe there is some validity to that narrative. In the meantime, keep calm and Boomer on. The biggest improvement is said to between games 1 and 2. Gotta believe this team is going to take OUt a ton of frustration on ULM in prep for the fighting Urbans.

      • Indy_sooner says:

        OU would do well to focus on improving every single aspect of the game with ULM. In fact, I would definitely reopen the competition

  • metzker says:

    This was our texsa SUCKS loss from last year. I have faith in SOONER magic!

    • cush creekmont says:

      Hope you are right, but I have to see a lot, (no a whole lot…no, a WHOLE LOT) of improvement in the O-line AND the DBs who were supposed to be sooooo great.

  • Sooners4Life27 says:

    I thought the line pass protection was very good for the most part the wideout we’re just God awful. I thought at times Baker would run out of a perfectly good pocket into pressure.

    Thought run D was good. Pass defense especially cb opposite JT was suspect but they also caught us in a lot of blitzes which just sucks. And did not help the crappy breaks with the PI’s and the fumble where he was obviously down.

  • SavageSoonerEsq says:

    I have tons of gripes & concerns…but I’ll stick to this: after the Alabama/Auburn debacle, how can any coach & team not be prepared for the possibility the kick is short & returnable? Everyone just standing around motionless, watching it fall like leaves on a fall day? WTH? You had a timeout to get prepared & you still F’ed up? Unreal. Everyone is getting paid 100’s of thousands – Millions & that’s what we get? “Thanks OU for the reprieve” – Signed every Alabama fan in the trailer parks.

  • metzker says:

    Ok I cant post much past now because I get in trouble with a few!

  • HoustonSooner says:

    It has been rough around here in regard to cougar fans. Monday morning will be interesting at work. Oh well, I still have my beautiful Oklahoma license plate cover that perfectly covers up the word Texas. Still wearing my Sooner gear around town with my chin held up high. We will live to see a better day. As always….

    BOOMER!

  • Carl Carter says:

    This is going to sound terrible but we are OKLAHOMA. We have a great history and reputation but I cannot stand playing these teams and feeling like the little man. Not in the sense that we are loosing but how we are literally being pushed around by these teams we are deeper than

  • Dustin says:

    #8 will have to wait. Not a chance we get the the CFP after a loss to a non-P5 team. After what I saw yesterday, I have a hard time thinking the tOSU game won’t get real ugly, real quick. The only positive I got out of yesterday’s game was Charles Walker’s play in the second half. Things need to change, and they need to change fast, if this season is going to be a “successful” one.

    • Cody Davis says:

      Based on what?

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Unfortunately for your scenario, Houston is not viewed as a run of the mill P5. They are ranked top 15 and people know they’ve beaten FSU and OU back to back. In 2014, OSU lost to VA Tech and still got in. Clearly, P5 designation notwithstanding, Houston is recognized as a stronger opponent for OU than Va Tech was for OSU. Hold your horses on the no chance for the playoffs!

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Unfortunately for your scenario, Houston is not viewed as a run of the mill P5. They are ranked top 15 and people know they’ve beaten FSU and OU back to back. In 2014, OSU lost to VA Tech and still got in. Clearly, P5 designation notwithstanding, Houston is recognized as a stronger opponent for OU than Va Tech was for OSU. Hold your horses on the no chance for the playoffs!

  • cush creekmont says:

    “…hell, even Jordan Thomas, they’re going to have to get significantly better than what we saw on Saturday before I could ever feel confident in that back end of the defense.”

    The DB play shocked me, including Thomas. I would never have thought the so-so, running QB could beat OU throwing.

    My other shock was what poor play-calling came from Riley.

    Cooks and Riley seemed to be great coaches for OU. I hope this is an amazing aberration.

    • T. says:

      Fwiw Riley was pretty hard on himself and openly admitted his mistakes. Said he should have stuck it out with the run game and that he was a little predictable. I feel like he’s one to learn from mistakes as we saw last season. Wish that we weren’t even talking about this but given the circumstances I like what I heard.

      • Kevin Burger says:

        Much respect for Riley for admitting something was on him. A whole heck of a lot more respect if he learns from it, and doesn’t forget.

      • Spitting Bull says:

        But didn’t he learn this lesson last year? I think it’s cool he admits his mistakes but shouldn’t the lessons he learned carry over to the next year? Just saying…

        • T. says:

          A very fair and logical point, but I don’t think it’s realistic to expect perfection from a young coach who just began his second year and is still growing. It’s realistic to expect improvement, which we didn’t see in game 1, but then again it’s a new season and only one game. At the very least it’s better than repeating the same mistake every single game a la Heupel.

    • T. says:

      Fwiw Riley was pretty hard on himself and openly admitted his mistakes. Said he should have stuck it out with the run game and that he was a little predictable. I feel like he’s one to learn from mistakes as we saw last season. Wish that we weren’t even talking about this but given the circumstances I like what I heard.

  • Dustin says:

    Oh, and THE PERSONAL FOULS!!!!!! WTF!?!?!?!?

  • David Luc says:

    I wonder what the recruits are thinking about this.

    • SavageSoonerEsq says:

      I’ve seen some responses on Twitter & all have been encouraging. The good ones will be excited about coming in & starting a dynasty. The weak ones will scatter like roaches.

  • metzker says:

    Ok yall have fun budlight 5 so I shall shalt go now over there or their or over there under their peaceeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!—————

  • Carl Carter says:

    Listen everyone this is the joy of footbal! The chance to build and get better!! There is no pride in being a Bama fan. When you win and truly see the work and growth behind a good football team it is more joyful than being used to the same outcome every year whether that be good or bad. OU doesn’t give us that, the Blake bell Trevor knight year we weren’t very good and we (yes I said we) pulled a Sugar Bowl win out of that. This lose sucks but as always people… BOOMER F****N SOONER

  • TSFFKAG says:

    The best teams don’t always win the game (sigh)
    The most athletic players don’t always make the best team (sigh)
    The best team sometimes gets outplayed on any particular Saturday (sigh)
    The best team isn’t always the team you cheer for (sigh)
    The best team this week may not be the best team next week, or even next month (sigh)
    The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry (sigh)
    Next game up….

  • Jake H. says:

    Riley regressed. Hopefully see return to post UT last year.
    Bedenbaugh needs to live up to the hype and make some adjustments. Guys playing clearly it getting it done.
    Houston popped OU. Seems like all hits came from that side of the ball and that is dissapointment. If OU had some swagger, I didn’t see it. Didn’t seem like they gave a crap either way.
    Secondary is a joke. Coach Cook liking like another Norvell. Recruits the talent, no idea what to do from there.

    How anyone can watch this more than once is beyond me, do not have the time or inclination for that misery.

    • Daddy R says:

      “How anyone can watch this more than once is beyond me, do not have the time or inclination for that misery.”

      But yet you got the time to post about it? haha

    • Unofficial Longhorn says:

      It took me until last week to watch the Notre Dame game from LAST year. And you know what, I realized it wasn’t nearly as painful as I remembered. Take your time, come back to it when you’re ready. Any real sports fan will understand.

  • Billy says:

    OU alumni that would have gone nuts having to miss a game in the past. I worked yesterday and wasn’t even upset about it. I had a feeling we would lose before the game started. I know I am sounding overly negative, but I think it is more of a representation of what the average fan has grown to expect out of the Sooners. Trust me, I wish I didn’t have those feelings.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      This is something that should really scare the OU brass, IMO.

    • blaster1371 says:

      Agree with you. I am a rather optimistic person but when it comes to OU football the bigger the game the more I brace myself for national embarrassment.

      • Billy says:

        Yup. I would consider myself more optimistic than most, but it would be illogical to think otherwise.

  • cbertus6 says:

    After moments like these I think it’s always necessary to state that things are never as good as they seem (post-Sugar Bowl) and things are never as bad as they seem (post-RRR and post-Houston). OU will bounce back. We have a talented team that caught a few breaks last year. It just felt like breaking in a few new guys didn’t turn out the way we all anticipated and let’s not take anything away from Houston, they beat us. That being said, I think this team has the capability of beating most teams and I still saw a few good things early. My point being as easy as it is to do, negative things were not the only thing I pulled away from that game.

    • Maranatha846 says:

      I’m going to say it one more time. The only thing that surprised me about the offense was lack of running plays. We knew going in we don’t have a go to receiver. All of the hold overs from last year had already proven that hey can’t get separation and for the most part can’t catch the ball. We better hope Mykel Jones gets a shot and is what we need. You can teach most guys how to run routes and block, but you can’t teach how to catch the ball. That’s something you either can, or can’t do.

  • David Luc says:

    Abandoning the running game. Mayfield – 13 rushes. Perine/Mixon – 12 rushes. Now that is absurd. Even more absurd than what UH did on 3rd and long.

    • Pokerman says:

      Absolutely! If I were the head coach, Lincoln Riley would have needed hearing aids and suppositories before the end of the half.

    • Spitting Bull says:

      And didn’t he supposedly learn this lesson after the Texas game? Wasn’t it clear that the fact that we couldn’t run the ball against Clemson doomed us? Forget about Baker. Everything should be put on developing and implementing a solid ground attack. Keep doing it till it works!

  • Scott says:

    At least Lincoln Riley is owning up to his mistakes.

  • soonermusic says:

    There were some good things to notice about the defense. Imho, Mike’s defensive plan for this game was excellent. Take away the opponent’s primary weapon; take a qb who has been somewhat suspect throwing the ball and make him complete difficult, low percentage throws to beat you. Great job of bowing up and holding Houston to field goals in the first half after back breaking third down plays. Two of those were penalties, one extremely bogus PI call on a great play by Dakota. Another was a spectacular sideline grab. Furthermore, after being on the field way too much, the defense came out at the end of the third, start of the fourth, key moment in the game and got three three and outs in a row. Outstanding.

    The offense had issues, especially in the O-line. Several key plays were blown up by letting many guys into the backfield.

    In some cases the wr’s did a better job than some have given them credit for. Baxter in particular was wide open for a first down on a couple of plays. That’s just from tv coverage which didn’t show much. There clearly were plays where no one seemed to be open.

    Imho there’s lots of room for improvement, and much of it is doable. The biggest concern remains the O-line, but even with their issues, there were plays that were left on the field, and with a bit of improvement in Baker’s play, we’ll get some of those, which in turn will help the Oline.

    • diablodejalisco says:

      DBs had better get a lot better before ohio state. their quarterback is a much better passer than ward.

  • soonermusic says:

    Siebert’s kickoffs worked out fine. I’ve criticized special teams coverage in the recent past, but time to give credit. Don’t know if it’s because he kicks the ball high or just better coverage, but it worked out about 20 yards better than if he had kicked it out of the end zone every time. I appreciate the concern as the season wears on, but many kickers do kickoffs and field goals, let’s just eliminate the punts by getting first downs/td’s and the rest should be okay. 🙂

    Siebert took a step, then had to hesitate on the kick 6, obvious momentum loss. Not sure where the blame falls, but he may never have kicked a 53 yarder that didn’t at least clear the end zone before, and he probably makes his fair share of them. Nothing wrong with the call, imho.

  • soonermusic says:

    Siebert’s kickoffs worked out fine. I’ve criticized special teams coverage in the recent past, but time to give credit. Don’t know if it’s because he kicks the ball high or just better coverage, but it worked out about 20 yards better than if he had kicked it out of the end zone every time. I appreciate the concern as the season wears on, but many kickers do kickoffs and field goals, let’s just eliminate the punts by getting first downs/td’s and the rest should be okay. 🙂

    Siebert took a step, then had to hesitate on the kick 6, obvious momentum loss. Not sure where the blame falls, but he may never have kicked a 53 yarder that didn’t at least clear the end zone before, and he probably makes his fair share of them. Nothing wrong with the call, imho.

    • diablodejalisco says:

      well, if he would have made that field goal we would have the 10 points difference in the game.

  • soonermusic says:

    btw, this may be a bit of homerism, 🙂 but I thought the other PI on Dakota, that led to a td, was very “ticky tack” as well, especially since the pass landed out of the end zone. That could easily have been a no call and another successful 3rd down stop.

    • blaster1371 says:

      And both were hand fighting. WR was using his hands to keep Dakota from closing in on the ball.

    • blaster1371 says:

      And both were hand fighting. WR was using his hands to keep Dakota from closing in on the ball.

  • blaster1371 says:

    I would think that after this game BB and Riley would know who the best lineman are in their respective positions. Those should be the starters all the time and to hell with rotating guys in unless a starter is just gassed or injured to the point of degrading his blocking ability. Brown has a long ways to go to being a draft prospect; dude gets sloppy way to often and reaches instead of moving his feet. Ford was slow on his pulls; gotta move with more urgency. Another knock on Ford and at times the other lineman is they quit looking for blocks when Baker scrambled- for griefs sake just knock some down/ get a push on whoever crosses your face. Doesn’t matter where Baker is just knock someone off stride.

  • blaster1371 says:

    Judging from Bobs reactions and body language on the sidelines he was as much in WTF mode as the rest of us. Down the thread someone said Obo played best when he was “cut loose” by the coaches; unfortunately his position requires him to do more than one thing. Doesn’t matter if he gets a big play here or there, as in the case of this game, those big plays are negated by huge consequences of blown assignments or stupid personal foul penalties.

    • BackWhenOUBoysCabbagePatched says:

      Agree. Good players should not present a Hobson’s Choice. The options cannot be “I will give you disciplined play OR great play.” We need great, disciplined play from everyone if we are going to make a push.

    • diablodejalisco says:

      i would like to see them cut them all loose and just let them play aggressively.

  • blaster1371 says:

    Judging from Bobs reactions and body language on the sidelines he was as much in WTF mode as the rest of us. Down the thread someone said Obo played best when he was “cut loose” by the coaches; unfortunately his position requires him to do more than one thing. Doesn’t matter if he gets a big play here or there, as in the case of this game, those big plays are negated by huge consequences of blown assignments or stupid personal foul penalties.

  • Daddy R says:

    Lol, you guys seen this yet? Mike doing his best WWF Bushwackers.

    https://twitter.com/joeduvall/status/772122323642032128

  • RonBurgundy says:

    Let’s hope the 2017 signees say…hell, I can be a starter at OU next year.

  • Ryan means says:

    I mean is talent really that big of an issue? Maybe it’s like you said just watching every OU game but I watch other teams who consistently put out new players on D or O that can come in and play there was a time in recent memory where every year we had an O line that could actually play and WR who could make plays. As for losing players like I said other schools while there maybe some drop off never as bad as what it seems like for us hell little brother has a new legit WR every other year and as for last year and this year the talent has improved in recruiting no? Maybe we just get over hyped each year with unrealistic expectations for our team to resemble any of the teams from the first part of the 2000s I mean when did we turn into a program that doesn’t show up or look ready we got destroyed in the trenches vs Houston if that doesn’t raise concern for Ohio state a team filled with 5 star players than idk what will. If I recall galimore deberry jelly among others were highly sought after so can we just not devolp players anymore or what?

  • BackWhenOUBoysCabbagePatched says:

    Not ready to write this team off. A lot of work to do, and we will not win the Big12, let alone compete for an NC, if we do not get better. That said, it is not out of the realm of reasonable possibility for this team to be where we want it to be.

    When you look at the majority of the stats (passing, rushing, penalties, etc.) they were close or they favored OU. Even third downs, on which many (including myself) want to see immediate improvement, was not the difference maker. Houston went 9/18, we went 7/14; both 50%. The significant disparities that jumped out to me were in TOP (Houston = 35:06; OU = 24:54), first downs (Houston 25; OU 17) and obviously scoreboard. From a big picture point, long, sustained drives (and our inability to secure many) hurt us, as did special teams and TOs. Houston is a good team; they controlled the pace of the game and capitalized on TOs and special teams play.

    Defense did an awesome job planning and executing for G. Ward’s running ability. Mike should get credit for that. Held Ward to 1 yard on 18 carries. Doubt that happens again for the rest of Ward’s collegiate career. Run defense was on more often than it was off.

    There were a number of focus areas that I saw:
    – Committing To The Run. We have too much talent in the backfield to abandon the run. Even though Perine looked to be slowed, Mixon was still very effective, even when the running lanes were not immediately there. Let Mixon create if need be. Even with Baker, we are not talented enough to consistently win without running (and at any rate, the run game is the best regulator for game pace).

    – Throwing the Man Open. I cannot recall a single back shoulder pass from OU all game. There has been much discussion about our WRs inability to create separation, which is a legitimate critique IMHO, but if you watched a large number of Houston’s conversions, their WRs were covered when the QB threw the ball. Houston nevertheless converted b/c Ward threw back shoulder passes. Repeatedly throughout the weekend in other games, I saw QBs (even Hawaii against Michigan on DVR) complete passes to WRs that were smothered by throwing the back-shoulder pass. Doing that a few times loosens up other routes.

    – Stretch the Field: Similar point to the one above. For our speed and height, we have to stretch the field when we have 1 on 1 coverage. We may have had 3 or fewer legit down the field passes against Houston, 1 of which we scored on. Give our athletes a chance to be athletes.

    – Overpursuit in the Box. We generally did well in the box, particularly in the second half. However, if you go back and watch Tay Evans, he over pursued badly on several occasion. Most of the cutbacks that Catlon took advantage of early were in Tay’s vacated lane. We were athletic enough to minimize the damage, but this will haunt us in the future if we do not correct it.

    -DBs/Adjustments. Dakota got jobbed a number of times, but our DB play was not where it needed to be. Ward was not accurate with his deep ball, but his WRs were able to consistently beat us deep. Could hurt us against a team with a better deep passing game if we do not remedy that. On that note, however, he clearly struggled with the deep ball. I was really surprised that we did not cheat/play the back shoulder pass (which Ward was completed very well) at the expense of the deep ball. At some point, I was certain that Mike was going to have our DBs jump the back-shoulder pass on 3rd down, but it did not look like that ever happened; we consistently overran it like we were protecting the deep pass at all costs.

    – Dumb plays. We are just not good enough to extend drives and give up yards hitting after the whistle or just totally missing assignments. If it is possible, we HAVE to play smarter.

    Sorry for the book.

    • RocketCitySooner says:

      Nothing meaner than a starving junk yard dog.

    • BackWhenOUBoysCabbagePatched says:

      I noticed that during the game too. I was really surprised because Beal is all of 211 pounds, and I questioned his ability to play in the middle at that weight. If he can consistently bring that fire though, play ’em.

    • Spitting Bull says:

      Love that SuperK!

  • RonBurgundy says:

    “Big Game Bob”…crap, I am on several forums, motorcycles, guns, blacksmithing, hotrods, etc. On the sports area, olde Bob is catching hell with that handle…pissed I am, but, whuuuut can I say ? ? ??

    • Daddy R says:

      Well, the media are the ones who christened him with that name, let they be the ones who taketh it away!

  • Elijah Dalton says:

    First-time poster, lurker for two years+. Very thankful for the information and the community provided by TFB. This site has been a part of my morning and bedtime rOUtine for some time now. It seems like the best place to “voice” my thOUghts, and after yesterday, I definitely feel the need to get things off my chest in order emotionally move on from the game.
    1) I understand the worry abOUt “Big Game” Bob. It seems that fate is a bit cruel to OUr Sooners. We find ways to get beat by teams that frankly have no business beating us. Unlike some of the other posters, I think Bob can still get it done and can still bring a championship to the “God’s cOUntry”, as I refer to Norman. I think part of the problem is that Bob isn’t nearly as obsessive as guys like Saban or Meyer. And for that, I’m really thankful. I think Bob is a better balanced human being, and more focused on being a better man, a better husband, and a better father. And he seems to want that for his coaches and athletes. He’s loyal to a fault and delegates a lot of responsibility, showing faith in the hires they’ve made. I really love that abOUt him, as frustrating as it can be, and I think it has everything to do with the respect that he has among his peers. Lastly, in his defense, I’ll take 10 win seasons every year with chances to win more and play big games than for us to suffer the same mediocrity and/or corruption that we’ve seen at Texas, USC, Baylor, Penn State, Florida, Tennessee, Ole Miss, so on, and so on. Which brings me to my next observation…
    2) I think that OUr game plans are often not poor in theory, however, they are often poor in execution. And I don’t mean for that to come across sOUnding like “coach speak”, because I know we hear that every postgame after a loss like this. What I mean is this: OUr coaching staff recognizes the threats that come with playing teams with a dual threat QB. The majority of them struggle with accuracy and seem to thrive on making plays with their feet. OUr staff recognizes that and plans accordingly. However, I believe that their gameplan is often too conservative to be truly effective. Their thOUght process is not wrong, the preparation might not even be wrong, but playing not to lose will get yOU beat. We need to play to win, to play aggressive, play to impose OUr will, not simply to control the opposition’s. I hate to be the guy that brings up the Bama game in 2013, but the reason it worked, at least in my eyes, is that we had nothing to lose and everything to gain. We exploited areas of weakness and continued to attack them. We let Trevor play rather than micromanaging the plays from the sidelines, and it worked beautifully. Bob used to have that edge. He used to go for the throat. We just need to get back to that rather than playing with the intent to not make mistakes. I’d rather have aggressive mistakes than be playing scared and still getting beat.
    3) Lincoln Riley is still figuring things OUt. He’s a very yOUng coach and this is a big responsibility at Oklahoma. There’s more pressure than he’s used to, more exposure, and more talent. That’s not an easy situation. There have been plenty of times that we’ve not been happy with Leach, Mangino, Long, Wilson, Heupel who have all seen success at one time or another. We demand perfection at Oklahoma. But let’s keep things in perspective. this offense has a lot more potential than the offenses run by some of the coaches I mentioned. He’s a very intelligent coach, he’s an aggressive coach, he’s a passionate coach, and he also brings those things to recruiting. Let’s remember that there’s more to his job than the cOUple of hOUrs we get to see on Saturday. He’s an upgrade and he’ll continue to improve.
    4) I love Baker Mayfield. Love the attitude, the swagger, the competitiveness, and the leadership. But maybe there’s a chance he’s a good quarterback, and not a great one. In watching yesterday’s game, and rewatching several others from last year, there are some noticeable trends. He has a tendency to hold the ball too long which makes the offensive line look worse than they are. He leaves the pocket too early, making it appear that he was under pressure when really I believe it may just be his internal clock rather than pressure applied by the defense. And lastly, I don’t think he trusts his receivers to make plays. That was the difference between him and Ward yesterday. Ward is not an accurate passer. He completed arOUnd 52% of his throws yesterday with ALL DAY to throw, and I suspect that if it hadn’t been for at least two PI calls, 2-3 personal fouls, and absolutely terrible coverage, he wOUld’ve completed somewhere between 42-45% of his passes at best. He consistently overthrew his WRs when the were covered well and his WRs did a fantastic job of adjusting to the football, often behind and/or low when they weren’t overthrown. Did he hit a single WR in stride all day? But that’s the point, he gave them a chance to make those plays and they rewarded him. Baker did not. It was like he was scanning the field for Sterling all day, and decided to wait until he saw #3 to throw the ball. Give them a chance to make plays. They’re not going to make every single one. Sterling couldn’t even do that. But ride and die with em. Show confidence in them and see if it’s not rewarded. People continue to compare Baker to players like Brett Favre. Stop. They may have a similar attitude, but Brett “slung” the damn ball. There’s a reason he’s got the record for INTs. Maybe Baker needs to start slinging it. He also needs to start making the easy plays. Sometimes those turn into “homeruns.” Get the ball to your athletes and let them go to work.
    5) I’m really growing tired of the Andrews hype. OUr fans keep complaining that he’s not being used enOUgh. I believe the reason for that is two-part: One, he doesn’t provide anything other than a physical mismatch in the receiving game. Two, he’s not even consistent in receiving. He’s not a good blocker at all, at the LOS or downfield in springing long passes or runs. Therefore he can’t be used as a decoy or be disguised in formations. He’s an average route runner at best. And lastly, his hands are way too inconsistent. Everyone loves to point out that he caught 7 tds last season. What about the 5 or more touchdown passes that he dropped last year with the ball hitting his hands/chest? Did he make a hell of a catch yesterday?? Sure did. The ball went thrOUgh his hands, bOUnced off his thigh, and he was able to grab it as he was falling/being interfered with. If he wants to be on the field more, he needs to be more consistent. I, for one, would love to see Flowers and Mixon get more of his tOUches for several reasons. Flowers is more consistent and easier to hide in formations, and Mixon because he’s more dynamic in every sense of the word and has been more consistent. The running backs need to be used in more varieties. The swing passes, wheel routes, etc have been very open and very effective, and we have a tendency to miss them despite both of those facts.
    6) Why is Jeffery Mead getting the nod over A.D. Miller? He has shown nothing. He doesn’t attack the ball at it’s high point, he doesn’t seem to get a lot of separation, he doesn’t block well… so what is the reason for having him on the field? All offseason long we heard about A.D. Miller giving OUr defense fits because of his ability to take the top off of the defense, to make contested catches, etc. Other than a catch late in the game after it had basically been decided, I didn’t see him on the field. Mead played a lot last year as well and did nothing impressive. Let’s try someone else. If not Miller, Mykel Jones. Anyone really. Michiah Quick even. He had some really nice catches in big situations in the WVU game, was open and missed by Baker a lot in the Baylor game, and had a cOUple of catches in the Clemson game (just cut up field and get the first down!!). But between those instances, we hardly looked at him or had him on the field. He didn’t struggle to get separation and his hands were much more consistent, which was the complaint with him early on.
    7) Speaking of Quick, maybe he shOUld be playing both ways now. I really like Dakota Austin. The fight in him is something to watch. Being vertically challenged myself, I have been rooting for the kid. He says and does the right things off the field and in practice, and was really good in moments replacing Sanchez last year. But with the kind of WRs we face in OUr conference and in other spread attacks, he’s going to get picked on a lot. We either need to roll with Cobb and accept that there’s a learning curve for a true freshman, or use Quick despite him being a little behind at this point. (I know that Quick is backing up JT currently) We need to have someone OUt there that can make plays, whether that’s because he’s technically sound the way that Colvin was, or because he’s a playmaker like Sanchez was. Teams aren’t going to throw as much to JT’s side, and after yesterday I don’t know why that wOUld scare them much. But he is OUr best cover corner at the moment. So we have to figure something OUt on the other side and do it before we get into conference play or it’s going to be a LONG season. I will say this abOUt Dakota: He looked much better after he came back in to replace Cobb, and he’s a fantastic tackler for such a small frame. So if they’re gonna start him, let him play it OUt and live with the result. Otherwise, we have to give someone else a chance and leave them OUt there.
    8) We have to find ways to pressure QBs withOUt being too exposed. Walker showed up in the second half, and each of the guys on OUr DLine were consistent in filling running lanes, funneling Ward, and pursuing to the bOUndaries, but any QB who has that much time to throw is going to find someone open because even good coverage is going to breakdown or a WR is going to find a hole to sit in against a zone. Mike likes using zone coverages against mobile QBs because it shOUld allow for them to peek into the backfield and is the last line of defense against a scrambling QB getting thrOUgh the defensive line. Unfortunately, when you can’t get consistent pressure on a QB, it completely negates the advantage yOU wOUld have against the passing game. When yOU’re not pressuring the QB and yOU’re not sOUnd in coverage, it’s really difficult to produce turnovers. Which we weren’t able to do yesterday. Will Johnson is not a great blitzer. He had a good game yesterday as a whole, and was probably OUr best individual defender. But that’s not his strength. So we have to be more creative in the way we apply pressure or we need to roll with some of the yOUnger, better athletes and accept the busts when they come.
    9) Speaking of busts, it’s funny to me that most people have no problem throwing Obo under the bus but I’ve not really seen anyone talking about Jordan Evans. It sure appeared to me, and if I’m wrong I would definitely appreciate someone pointing it OUt to me, that he had a bust that resulted in a touchdown as well. It appeared to me that Ahmad Thomas saw the play was likely going to the left prior to the snap and he motioned for Tay Evans/Jordan Evans to shift to that side. The FB/TE (whatever he was) was in motion to that side prior to the snap and Jordan basically looked like he was standing in concrete because he didn’t even react until the ball was leaving Ward’s hand. Now, I don’t know the rules concerning picks/screening defenders, and the outside WR definitely came inside to chip Evans while the ball was in the air… But that doesn’t excuse the complete lack of awareness. He has been very pedestrian for someone who has been in the system for this long. Yes, he gets a quite a few tackles each game considering he’s often in the middle of the field where everyone is trying to run the ball but he is far from a playmaker. Personally, I felt Beal was much more effective in the short amOUnt of time he was in the game. Yes, he’s giving up a lot of size but so have most of OUr LBs over the last 5 years or so. Seemed to work OUt pretty well for Striker and Dom, who is abOUt the only guy left on an NFL roster from this draft class. Speaking of, he was a lot more valuable and underappreciated while at OU, but I digress. My point is, let’s be fair in OUr assessment and agree that LB as a whole is a huge concern. Not just Obo. Who had a pretty good second half.
    9) OUr special teams has not been impressive in years. I remember at the beginning of Bob’s tenure here, it was something special. Between Thatcher, Perkins, Franks, Broyles, Murray, etc we have had some very dynamic returners and that used to be a huge advantage for OUr teams. (And no, Alex Ross was not one of those. He had one good year with some lucky returns. He has no ability to break tackles, no ability to jump cut, terrible vision… Just, no. We were all rooting for him being that he’s from Jenks, but he should’ve just run track.) But over the last 5-7 years, it has been replaced with memories of missed field goals, short kicks, returns for tOUchdowns, and no significant advantage in field position. This needs to be remedied. Speaking to my point above, we used to be aggressive in special teams. This conservative crap has got to go. I seem to be abOUt the only one ok with using Mixon in the return game and let’s give him more than one game before we decide to be critical of his success or lack thereof. Murray dislocated a knee cap on an onside kick, which happens how many times a season? And later ruptured a hamstring/tendon which wasn’t even a contact injury. Yes, we wOUld’ve won a national championship had he not missed that game, but there’s also the chance that we might not have made it there withOUt the constant threat he was in special teams as well. (Ok, we still wOUld’ve made it with that offense. But you get my point.) Let’s let them play. An injury cOUld happen to any of them at any moment in a full-contact sport of this speed. If you’re afraid of losing valuable players, you’re watching the wrong sport. Especially with OUr luck.
    10) Let’s hope this result, and other similar results that may or may not come during the remainder of this season, do little to impact SS17 in a negative way. I do not believe that talent is a problem at OU. We won a Big 12 championship with a WR playing QB. We won a national championship with a JUCO transfer. OUr coaches do a good job of finding talent. We need to do a better job of maximizing that talent during practices and utilizing that talent better in games. Having said that, SS17 looks elite. In watching film on each of them, I don’t see how some of them have managed not to get their 5th star. Regardless, I couldn’t be more excited abOUt that class. I love the camaraderie they seem to have formed, I love the hunger of each of them as individuals and as a group, I love the skillsets and versatility they have. I have to stop myself from envisioning 2-3 national championships making a home in Norman when they patrol the field. It seems to me that they are a grOUp of good-quality young men with some serious swagger and athleticism. They could be just what we need to start building that dynasty we all hope for. I can’t wait for them to get on campus. I hope they all follow thrOUgh on their “commitment” and continue recruiting others who are just as hungry and just as quality as they are. And if they don’t, I wish them all luck and I’ll gladly accept those who remain that want to be a SOONER.
    11) I miss the balance and perspective of EasTex. Easily one of my favorites here. Like many of you, I’ve always appreciated his perspective, his respectful demeanor, and the balance that he always created being here. I hope all is well.
    12) Lastly, we have a long season ahead. It sucks having to be motivated by losing games that we shOUldn’t. But that is the rOUte we face yet again. Let’s hope that it works the same way that the Texas loss did last year and we start to catch fire. It can still be a great season and it’s always a blessing to be a SOONER.

    Thanks again for all the work, TFB. BOOMER!!!!!!!!!!

    • Daddy R says:

      Whoa cowboy! Good laaawddd have mercy!

    • Birddawg says:

      Dang this is long.. Too hungover to read all this..
      Copy and paste into a new doc and read it thru the week lol

      • Maranatha846 says:

        Not hung over here, but don’t care to read a novel either. I’ll say this, Baker has been taught by Reilly to not force the ball when receivers are blanketed. If you do rewatch the game, I challenge you to find ONE time when we had a receiver wideopen. When everyone is covered, whether it’s a quick read or a route, and the Qb has to scramble, receivers are suppose to come back, find an open spot and make themselves available for the ball. Our guys quit if they don’t get open and Baker scrambles. Shep always put forth added effort to get open when things broke down.

        • Fear The Magic says:

          I personally found it very frustrating that the camera angles didnt allow us to see if the WRs were getting open or not. I just assumed that Baker would have released the ball if that were the case…but all I saw was him hold it and hold it and hold it. I was like THROW THE #*)$GH)$NF ball already!

          • Daddy R says:

            I know, right?! Some downfield shots of what baker was actually seeing would have been really helpful to the fan experience. Very poor camera play. They are the ones who should be fired! lol

          • Fear The Magic says:

            IKR!!

          • Maranatha846 says:

            He will fire it to them if they will get open. He’s a gunslinger that has been forced to tap the brakes.

        • soonermusic says:

          “I challenge you to find ONE time when we had a receiver wide-open”

          Here’s a couple for starters. First series. Baxter breaks away from his defender. The ball could have been half way there by the screen shot. The other is early in the second half, Baxter is all by himself at the 1st down marker, he was there, wide open, well before the screen shot which shows him all alone as Baker gets sacked.

      • Elijah Dalton says:

        That’s probably a good way to break things down. Lol
        I apologize for the length.

    • SWoods says:

      Welcome Elijah!

    • Sooner Ray says:

      I normally skip anything longer than four lines long, but you held my attention. Welcome and stick around this season, I have a feeling cool heads will be needed.

      • Elijah Dalton says:

        Thanks Sooner Ray. I’ll do my best to be brief in the future. I guess that’s what two years of lurking does.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      You make a lot of interesting points. A couple I dont necessarily agree with but a lot of it I do. Thanks for taking the time to make your post and don’t be a stranger.

      • Elijah Dalton says:

        Naturally, we won’t agree about everything. But that’s part of what makes this a cool community. Thanks for taking the time to read!!

    • Thegunnfather says:

      Nail on the head! Playing not to lose. Letting the other team dictate what we are doing and not vice versa. Very good, chime in more often

    • Ura Mazin says:

      Nicely done and welcome.
      I’m agreeing with more than 90% of what you wrote.
      Especially the need for more aggressiveness in special teams during game time by OU.
      Football is always a balancing act of risk/reward in play calls and schemes, especially special teams. Far too many times in the past decade, other teams have been rewarded for going for the throat against OU.
      It’s almost like OU has become a big kid on campus who’s known as a pushover, so even smaller kids push him around.
      Show some confidence in the players’ abilities and the coaches’ abilities to have them ready for the game. Turn them loose on special teams.
      It’s time OU became the schoolyard bully again instead of having it’s lunch money taken away.
      And, just in case anyone wonders about the name change of the poster formally known as Ura Hogg, it seemed that a few people were thinking I had some affinity for Arkansas, and that certainly isn’t the case.
      Therefore, I decided to take a new moniker that hopefully won’t lead to any such confusion.

      • Elijah Dalton says:

        Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to read it. I definitely miss having players who played “nasty” and I miss the days where we were the more aggressive team. It payed off a lot for us. It’s like we’re overthinking everything now rather than just letting it go. Saturday isn’t the time to prepare. That should’ve been done already. Let’s just play.

  • wolfbuilder says:

    For one sec let’s be real oline was horrible the hard truth is this very well could be a 7-5 or 8-4 year and that’s not good enough

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      We won’t lose 5 games, and the oline will get better. Just like they did last year. Just like they do every year.

  • RonBurgundy says:

    In the past, I have pulled for any team that plays ND. Recheck, I will never pull for those infidels in Austin…never…never. Go Irish..

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Had OU won, I’d be pulling for (and I use that term lightly) UT tonight. Given that OU lost, we probably need UT to be “down” again this year, even if it means getting rid of Strong. So I guess, go ND. :/

    • Daddy R says:

      Wouldn’t that same logic apply though, and I cant believe I’m saying this, but same logic in routing for UTerus? Then have Notre Dame go on to be good, after having lost to UTerus. Then we beat UTerus after having beaten tOSU and TCU?

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        I’m not following your question. I’m was wanting to pull for UT b/c I want them strong, b/c I think it helps OU and the Big 12 in the long run. I thought we (OU) were going to be better this year than maybe we actually are. I still want UT to rebound as a program, b/c I still think it helps OU and the Big 12, but if OU is going to sputter a bit this year, we need UT to lose a bunch of games, or they’re going to start pulling in some of the recruits we are both in on this year. I just wanted one more year of getting those 50/50 kids that are down to OU and UT. Guys like maybe Chaisson, Hines, and the DT.

        • Daddy R says:

          Oh I see. I thought you were speaking in context of salvaging our current season and getting back into this thing. If UT wins, and notre dame is good too, then we go on to beat UT, and TCU and tOSU and the others, then we’d still look pretty rosy at the end, especially if Houston continues their run.

          I see what you were referring to though..

        • SWoods says:

          Its bad because UT has many top recruits there tonight, including Mr. Wilson. So I would think I want UT to lose. However, not knowing who is on NDs schedule, I worry about them being a playoff threat.

    • SWoods says:

      I’m really having a difficult time figuring out who I want to win.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      I should add that I think UT wins this. I think Buechele will do well, and I think ND has too many distractions. UT defense should be solid.

  • Ryan means says:

    I’m worried that if we lose to Ohio state we start losing recruits and a couple more losses and this class goes from top 5 back to barley top 25. Hopefully they get it together and beat Ohio state really can’t afford to not have a good class this year. If they do finish the rest of the year unscathed or with maybe just one more loss have a chance to bring in a top notch class and keep some momentum towards 2018 class really what we need is a influx of talent and a resurgence which is what I thought we had in recruiting and on the field. I’m not saying our team should be jumping around like Houston first drive offense looked great but we just seem to have games where we don’t show up or have any emotion

    • Jesse says:

      I’m not so worried about losing any of these guys. I’m more worried about missing out on guys like Hines and Okudah due to the losses. ’17 guys are going to come in and compete right away. Think they all have a chance at this point so I don’t see any jumping ship. They know their opportunity.

    • Brent says:

      I would think any of SS17 that watched the game has to be thinking to themselves that they could/will be starters quickly.

  • Eric Bradley says:

    Hey everyone. I’m a long term sooner fan. I follow this site constantly. And I read your posts. I watched and rematch ed the game. I think the sky is falling may not be the best reaction. I think we have a team that plays younger than we should have played. I’ll be brief as I can be.
    For starters, we missed a lot of open receivers. The short hitch was there all over the place.Baker missed some easy constraint dumps. We are almost to aggressive in going for long strikes. I think Houston caught on and played a lot of cover 3+4. There’s nothing wrong with nickel and diming someone down the field. 2. I didn’t see anything that told me our offensive line can’t beat up on the elite defensive fronts. But you have to run the ball. We didn’t. Period. 3. We cannot let a team back corners off 6 yards and not punish them for it. 4. The line got fooled a lot by Houston bringing different people from different places. I watched 3 lineman block one person on the sack that led to the stupid field goal return.

    The defense was a mess on third down. Houston has athletic receivers. We need a second corner, bad. I like Dakota. He’s gutsy. He might have the personality type we like. But he’s not an Oklahoma starting corner. Obo was a terror. But he blew coverage on Catalons td, as well as stupid penalties. He. Has. To. Stop. Period!!! He’s very close to being an elite pass rusher. I’m not sure he’s not more athletic than striker. But he’s not mentally focused.

    If you want to be sick to your stomach. A team that decimated Florida State, only manages 13 points without our mental errors helping them get to 40(they shouldn’t of fumbled inside our 5)

  • Carl Carter says:

    I know all of you real OU fans will be studying this game with UT. That being said I would root for the Black Plague before I root for ND or Texsa

  • ALar03 says:

    oh look another touchdown by a back shoulder throw… to a 6’5” receiver, man I sure wish we had that kinda advantage on the outside…. /S

  • Jesse says:

    Hey there’s a play we could run with 6’5+ wideouts…

  • Fear The Magic says:

    Anybody watching Texas? They’re running plays faster than Oregon does. This so doesnt look like Texas at all.

  • Mo Bitters says:

    Is it just me or is there anyone else out there that believes that Schmitty may outstayed his welcome? I think he does an OK job, but we need better than OK! We have been overpowered by way to many teams lately, and it would be nice to see us push people around instead of what has been the norm. If Bob can’t get rid of him, required him to reeducate and/or bring in strength and fitness experts to help.

  • Ibtwan says:

    Ahh, I miss the days when we ran fast tempo.

  • Chris White says:

    I’m not saying we are going 8-4 or we are going to win out. I’m just going to watch and support my team because we literally said ALL of this last season after the Texass game and look what happened. Being in the stands Saturday was very hard. I’ve been around some crazy fans but the Houston fans really brought their juice, and profanity, ready to the game. I saw little kids get harassed just for wearing an OU shirt. The secondary was not as bad as they seemed. Defending a back shoulder fade is hard to do especially for a 5’10” DB and yes they played poorly but they can easily improve. Our front 7 looked good but the down blocking by Houston really affected them early on. After giving up a big play the secondary would be trying to get set and get a call from the sideline and the uptempo would catch them off balance. That communication will have to improve. I definitely agree the pass rush should improve and I would like to see our 4 down set some more because we had a lot of good depth on the D-line. Send more pressure Mike! We obviously practiced on tackling Greg Ward Jr. So send more than 4! He didn’t have a strong arm, under threw a lot of passes and turned down some open men. But OU had a bad habit of walking into position instead of hustling and looking hyped to make a stop.

    Offensively our O-line was a strength but after the first drive Baker seemed dead set to make a big play that he would pass up on an open man close to try and wait for someone to get open deep! And don’t get me wrong, our receivers didn’t do an amazing job of getting open but he didn’t do his best to take what was given to him. Riley definitely abandoned the run. That’s on him. I was sitting, unfortunately, in the Houston section and they all were Oohs and Aahs at our backfield and held their breath every run. Most of them said at halftime (even though they just went up) that we were about to start leaning. And we just might have done that but we not only had MUCH less possessions (because the D couldn’t get off the field) but we made dumb reads, fumbles and then the kick 6 was the back breaker. I can see them bouncing back and everything being well on this message board again but you’re right Jordan, this will be a long week! Let it out Sooner Nation!

  • ALar03 says:

    UT already goin for a 4th down early.. you kinda get a sense CS is gonna do everything even sell his soul to succeed this year.. In other news every game I watch is gonna piss me off that more when quaterbacks throw to covered receivers only to see them make plays on the ball… I did not like the way we approached the game after they hit us in the mouth yesterday

  • Jason Vos says:

    Ok our DB’s will get worker by Texas from what I can see on just one drive

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Those of you questioning our secondary, I don’t get it. It’s 4/5ths of the group that played pretty darn well all season last year. Couple that with the fact that I really only think it was the 2nd CB spot that played bad yesterday, and why are so many of you down on them?

    Even if they all played poorly yesterday, all but Austin played really well last year. Don’t think you think an entire season of stats/good play is more telling then one game against a dynamic QB?

    I guarantee you our secondary as a unit isn’t going to play poorly this year, UNLESS the front 4-6 just get absolutely no pressure. They played well last year. They will play well this year. And I think Austin will get another shot, and will play much better than he did yesterday.

    • ALar03 says:

      If our fan base wasnt upset about a loss to a group of 5 school, we would lowering our standards to an OKie Lite level..

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        That has ZERO to do with my statement.

        • ALar03 says:

          if our fan base was not upset at the way our Cbs played against a group of 5 school we would be lowering our standards to an okie lite level.. Is that better pumpkin

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            Again, I said I understood being upset with Austin. And if others thought more of the secondary played bad, fine, I disagree, but fine.

            It’s the forward looking statements saying our secondary is going to get “lit up by TCU, Baylor, OSU, UT, etc.” That is crazy after what I saw last season. Just won’t happen.

    • Jim Casy says:

      the fact that Parrish Cobb was first guy in is an indictment against our depth and ability to develop. Cobb is a joke right now…not his fault though…he was playing HS football like 9 months ago.

      And Austin played really well last year the 4-5 games that Sanchez was hurt. He definitely sucked yesterday though.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Thats pretty much what I said yesterday. The only difference is no Sanchez and thats not all bad.

    • LandThieve3 says:

      I’ve never been as high on JT as some. I also think playing press man isn’t what Austin is good at. If you look at the film last year, he would play off the ball and jump on the short stuff and make the tackle. He’s quick and instinctive. Not long and fast for press man coverage

  • Jesse says:

    Yeah… We better improve and improve fast…

  • Jim Casy says:

    Malik is a stud

  • Chad Cooper says:

    Many good points made. By the middle of second quarter I would yell at the TV prior to the snap when we faced a 3rd & 10(+)… seemed Houston converted every single one!
    And, there were a bunch of bad tackles when Houston threw to the outside near the line of scrimmage… seemed to happen over and over.
    My youngest son started making comments about our secondary looking terrible, and for a while I kept telling him to knock off that talk, that we had Thomas back and good players filling in. But, by the second quarter I stopped correcting him… there was non-existent coverage, a lack of turning to find the ball, bad tackling, etc.
    And, the O Line seemed too porous in the first half, and didn’t create lanes well enough. Though, this being far less troubling than the previously noted issues.

    My expectations have been very tempered. I think we can have a good season. I just don’t see a well-rounded enough team to contend for a playoff spot. And, if we did get in, do we really want to see us get pounded on by the likes of Alabama???
    I know… pretty pessimistic. Sorry.

  • Scott says:

    I like Notre Dames oline coach.

  • Chris White says:

    All these nerves about our Line. Nothing a good Trench Warfare can’t fix!

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Buechele doesn’t throw a great deep ball yet.

  • SWoods says:

    I hate seeing UT look good with all those recruits there. I get tired of losing big players to them.

    • hOUligan says:

      Was just thinking the same thing. Just feel Wilson getting more orange by the minute and Hines slipping to the dark side, too. Gonna make it tougher for sure.

      • SWoods says:

        No doubt. Was hoping ND would beat them. However Texas being good again is good for the conference. We’ll see what happens, I guess.

  • LandThieve3 says:

    Texas is doing what we should have done yesterday. Pound the ball again and again and then use the play action pass

    • Ibtwan says:

      There line is better than ours. Notre Dame isn’t in their backfield constantly.

      • Daddy R says:

        Also has to do with how quickly Buechele is getting ball out. Much quicker reads than Baker had yesterday..

        • Carl Carter says:

          To defend Baker, Buechele has thrown one long TD and everything else has been slants

          • Daddy R says:

            Well hell, I’ve been calling for slants on our end for some time! Never seem to deliver easy routes/throws, only ones where we have to wait 5 seconds for play to develop. Got to get some quick ones in there too..

          • Carl Carter says:

            I agree in full I feel every team can convert quick easy passes but us..

      • LandThieve3 says:

        We didn’t even give the OL a chance to get into a rhythm. Yes the pass protection was bad. But as the game wears on their DL would have started to wear down

      • hOUligan says:

        And got even better when they got Urquedez and the other kid that ‘bailed’.

      • Fear The Magic says:

        This

  • Fear The Magic says:

    Id like to see a beefy front 3 of Walker Wade and Gallimore by the time we play Texas or they’re going to steam roll us. They have big backs and a lot of push up front.

  • KY Sooner says:

    New poster I’ll try to be brief

    The 3 front D doesn’t work
    Bama proves you need to dominate the line of scrimmage on both sides of ball
    Then run the ball

    Finally fire all the stoops (Ok and Ky) and send them all back to Ohio to coach high school ball. I feel a little better now.

    • OohRah Mama says:

      “Fire all the stoops and send them all back to Ohio”… Do you expect anyone to seriously consider what you just said? Perhaps put a bit more thought and logic into what you want to share instead of going for “brief”.

      But hey, if you feel better – then forge ahead, sugar.

      They just ooze plumb out of the woodwork right after a loss, don’t they? 😛

  • Jason Argo says:

    I guess my hope is that Bob is pulling an “Urban” losing the first game like this, we win out and go 11-1 under the radar, come back and win the national championship. If it works, it’s brilliant!

  • Jim Casy says:

    Buechele is such a runt. If anybody could get to him a couple of times it would help.

  • Daddy R says:

    Anyone notice how quickly Buechele is reading the play and getting ball out to wr? Only taking 2-3 seconds to deliver a pass… This is what we are missing. Make a quick read, and deliver.

    • Jim Casy says:

      It works because of the run. Simple as that. Was the always the same with Baylor.
      Same with us. Get good OL and run the damn ball and you can pass successfully.

      • Daddy R says:

        Running the damn ball does certainly help. No disagreement there.

      • Carl Carter says:

        Baker had more rushed than anyone on the team yesterday.. Luckily Lincoln Riley came out publicly and admitted he tried to do a lot

    • Mike Reed says:

      Baker was trying to win the Heisman instead of win the game. He tried to do too much himself. He needs to make quicker reads and get the ball out of his hands.

  • Ibtwan says:

    I’m jealous of all this pass protection both team QBs are enjoying, Maybe this is what Mayfield expected?

    • Daddy R says:

      Mayfield had 4-5 seconds many times yesterday. No one can expect linemen to hold block more than that. We need some plays where Baker is encouraged to hit the quick slant, or in, or whatever the route. But we need some quick reads besides the rb swing.

      • Ibtwan says:

        I haven’t been able to see the game again. For some reason, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Were our receivers in fact open?

  • SWoods says:

    Wow

  • Scott says:

    Kizer the goat.

  • Jim Casy says:

    that was a hell of a play

  • hOUligan says:

    I hate No wait.. Detest despise texsa but I actually felt a bit of joy as texsa fans groaned watching ND score.

  • Maranatha846 says:

    ND showing you need to run right at the Horns. Expect us to try to throw the ball 60 times.

  • Carl Carter says:

    As much as this pains me Texsa is playing way smoother than we did yesterday.. But then again our test was 10x harder than theirs tonight. That’s me talking about the environment

    • RDC212 says:

      You think Houston is 10x better than ND?

      • ALar03 says:

        the environment..

        • RDC212 says:

          Doesn’t matter the environment. Based on what I saw our O-line is getting abused not matter where they play.

          • Carl Carter says:

            I guarantee you the youth/inexperienced parts of our team would have played better at home than their first game being in an NFL stadium :/

          • Carl Carter says:

            I agree with that statement they got torched

          • ALar03 says:

            okay lets wait until they have the post game review.. I personally dont think they missed as many assignments as everyone thinks..

          • RDC212 says:

            Oh, don’t get me wrong. They weren’t the only problem. I will say Mayfield actually had time to throw several times and just kept the ball. Then the question becomes could the receivers not separate or was Mayfield just holding it too long? Can’t really tell from the broadcast. However, what is apparent is how they let the running game get stuffed after the first drive.

      • Carl Carter says:

        To be fair.. We played Houston in a stadium that’s bigger than their own in the f-ing city of Houston

        • RDC212 says:

          To be fair, we had quite the Oklahoma contingent there. Try to spin it any way you want. That test was not 10x harder than Texas’ tonight. Texas is playing physical big boy football. Something I don’t believe we know how to play.

      • Carl Carter says:

        Sorry, guess I can’t stand watching Texas succeed

  • Jim Casy says:

    Buechele still completely clean

  • ALar03 says:

    They pass and the ball clearly hits the ground.. ref doesnt see it, they hurry to the line.. and the receivers are moving as they snap the ball and then throw a deep ball that is caught.. the refs are tired of chasing the hurry up of Texas

  • Fear The Magic says:

    Sterlin Gilbert is one hell of an OC.

    • Jason Vos says:

      Just Baylors offense

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      lmao

      We’ll see if the UT fans turn on him the first time they struggle, like we’d done to Riley.

      • Fear The Magic says:

        Very few have turned on Riley as far as I can see. ( yet )

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          You haven’t been reading what I’ve been reading then.

          • Daddy R says:

            Asking for more quick read plays, and more running plays, and a better gameplan overall, is not “turning on him.” Just keeping him accountable. I mean, we all know he reads and takes our advice /s

          • Fear The Magic says:

            Ive been reading but Id be willing to bet that if a vote was taken on this board right now to Fire or Keep Riley it would be a landslide to keep him.

      • RDC212 says:

        Riley has shown a propensity to struggle multiple times. Tennessee, Texas, Clemson, and now Houston.

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          Pretty sure UT will have 3-4 games over the same course where they struggle.

          And blaming Clemson on Riley is just dumb. We just didn’t have the horses, on either side, to play with them.

        • Jim Casy says:

          what can you get that is better than the Broyles award winner?

          • RDC212 says:

            I’m not wanting to cast Riley aside. He’s young and I believe he’ll improve. These are the growing pains of a young coach. I’m not putting yesterday squarely on his shoulders. I’m putting it on Bobms. He’s the common denominator.

          • Jim Casy says:

            the FG was flat out dumb. I not just playing captain hindsight either. I yelled at the TV when it happened and before it happened.
            Heck, without that play we might have been able to grind out an ugly win.
            And that sh$t does indeed fall squarely on the HC, I agree with you there.

          • Jim Casy says:

            I was expecting a block though instead of the return.

  • Ibtwan says:

    QB keep and Texas would score. I can see Riley calling that easily.

  • Jim Casy says:

    they need to move the spot back a yard

  • Fear The Magic says:

    The one good thing about Texas being good is that maybe we’ll come into the game as an underdog this year and play with a big chip on our shoulder.

  • Jim Casy says:

    dang, they KO’d the RB.

  • Will Narramore says:

    I gotta back Jordan up on his “lack of talent” comment. Whether you guys wanna admit it or not, recruiting is a major major factor. Yeah sure we lucked out with Charles Walker but in the end overall talent across the board typically wins out and as you can see from this link Oklahoma has the talent pool of that of a Mid 25 team. Hopefully SS17 can help change that. There’s a lot of data out there that suggest you need at least 40% blue chip ratio and ideally more blue chip recruits(4 and 5 stars) then 2 and 3 stars.

    http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      No offense, but people can spin rankings in a number of different ways. If it’s a lack of talent and you cite 247 composite since 2000 showing OU at only 17th, it still doesn’t explain yesterday’s loss because if it’s a lack of talent, Houston is not even ranked in the 247’s top 50! Further, the recruiting classes during 2000-2011 have nothing to do with 2016!

      • Will Narramore says:

        Link should only show that is on current roster, so the last 4 years, unless I read that incorrectly? Point being also when you don’t have truly elite talent you cant hide schematic disadvantages like you could potentially if you were just head and heels more talented

        • D Hunter Sanchez says:

          I agree. But I don’t think we need to start yelling about coaching. Last year, 11-2.

  • Jason Vos says:

    Keen you run Perine 6 times, you deserve to lose

  • RDC212 says:

    I’ll say this too. Bedenbaugh better get that line figured out or gtfo. We don’t push anyone around.

    • Ibtwan says:

      He did last year. Perine and Mixon had plenty of holes to run through last year. Just sucks we have to lose before we fix everything.

      • RDC212 says:

        Bob’s only vindication will be running the table imo. He’s s*** the bed on every other really big stage for too long. Aside from the sugar bowl win (which lets be honest was a fluke) the only other major win he’s had for years was Baylor last year.

      • Jim Casy says:

        We didn’t have a lot of holes to run through. We had a bunch of nothing mixed with a small amount of long ones that were usually the result of cutting back instead of running into the wall of men. 40-50 yard runs offset all of the stuffs.

    • Brent says:

      it’s a philosophy. you can either have road graders or a finesse OL for up-tempo. you cannot have both.

      • RDC212 says:

        Give me the effin road graders all day. Especially with the backs we bring in. I want us to get back to playing big boy football.

    • Carl Carter says:

      This all ties back to the lack of talent in our current status. The fact we have a walk-on really competing for a spot this year isn’t the best. I love walk ons who can compete but not everyone is a diamond in the rough

      • RDC212 says:

        Agree completely. We’re in big trouble unless we can keep SS17 together and build on it, and continue with future classes. This team ain’t doing jack and Perine, and Mixon are probably gone.

  • Jim Casy says:

    heh. halftime report dogging our OL against Houston. Saying physically weak last year, same this year.

  • Sith Lawd says:

    I am usually a borderline sunshine pumper, but I am having an extremely hard time getting over the Houston game. Someone help. Lol

  • Dustin says:

    So, are there two Texas gameday threads or just this one?

  • Ibtwan says:

    That’s going to be us all year if we dont get our corner situation figured out.

  • LandThieve3 says:

    So yeah we aren’t going to be able to press man against Texas

    • Cav66 says:

      Interesting. You mean we shouldn’t doggedly play underperforming players to our own detriment?

      • Cav66 says:

        That would mean that we would have to play our talented recruits before they become discouraged and leave the program….venting

  • Maranatha846 says:

    Texas looks good on both sides of the ball.

  • Jim Casy says:

    And this is the kind of D you can play when your offense scores

  • RDC212 says:

    God, I hope recruits see this team as an opportunity to play rather than starting to jump ship.

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    I want to say we need to get better in all phases, but the reality is only one team went undefeated last year. We are still on track for all OUr goals.

  • LottsSocks says:

    ND DBs = OU DBs

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      My problem with painting the OU secondary as horrible is the fact that beyond the penalties, TFB experts have said the back shoulder is “Almost impossible to defend.”

  • Jim Casy says:

    Texas 30 runs and 15 passes…very, very Baylor like. Passes get all the highlights but it is really about the run.

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    Good write up Jordan, I haven’t said anything yet. I am just speechless an embarrassed. Our guy’s got manhandled. Just lack of talent. Could the scheme’s been better? Maybe a bit, but it seemed like our guy’s were there but they just either didn’t have a clue and was lost (Obo) or just got Manhandled (Austin, and Interior O line, WR)

    And Baker…throw the damn ball. If felt like every time he went back to pass our entire group just kept yelling “throw it”

  • LottsSocks says:

    ND senseless penalties like OUs senseless penalties.

  • LottsSocks says:

    Anybody know a ND board? I wanna be entertained…

  • Ibtwan says:

    I notice ND wraps up and tackles well.

  • 47 Straight OU Know says:

    Take it how you want!! To me ,”It’ s a great night to be a SOONER”!!!!

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    Also, I am willing to see the younger guy’s more often. Yeah, there may be a bit more playing time experience with one player but if they are still learning the system or technique. Play a red-shirt freshman, freshman or sophomore rather than an upperclassman struggling to adjust and understand the higher level of play.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      They better give our younger guys some serious playing time next week. Perfect opportunity.

  • Carl Carter says:

    I take back my thoughts on Chip Kelly’s decision, both QB’s can ballout

    Edit: Brian* thanks ALar haha

  • Docknoss says:

    I think Texas is back and that’s a huge problem for Bob.

  • ALar03 says:

    Thats the Texas weve been used to the last few years

  • Bobolee says:

    Don’t know if it has already been asked, but is it too late to throw Quick back out there at as a wide out?

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    Texass still sucks lol.

  • ALar03 says:

    No 1 for texas is sooo dang fast but he has the worst hands i think i have ever seen!!

  • Docknoss says:

    So if OU gets the Oline to Gel, does this help solve the majority of the issue’s? Run game should work better and Baker should have more time to find Receivers. Did Erik Wren play Center at all? Did anyone notice Alvarez hiking the ball high to baker?

  • Docknoss says:

    So if OU gets the Oline to Gel, does this help solve the majority of the issue’s? Run game should work better and Baker should have more time to find Receivers. Did Erik Wren play Center at all? Did anyone notice Alvarez hiking the ball high to baker?

    • RDC212 says:

      Baker had time many times. He just didn’t throw it. Just don’t know if that was because receivers weren’t open.

      • Scott says:

        Both. Trust me Baker knows what he did wrong and will adjust. Expect more play action to help setup the deep ball.

      • Jim Casy says:

        Subtract 2 runs from our RBs and our ypc is atrocious and i think there is some truth about Baker not feeling comfortable letting the ball go when he had time…but that could have been on plays when they may have been rushing 3 and dropping more.
        The broadcast did a really, really sh^tty job of helping the viewer with that.

    • RDC212 says:

      Baker had time many times. He just didn’t throw it. Just don’t know if that was because receivers weren’t open.

    • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

      So you’re telling me there’s a chance! 🙂

    • Ibtwan says:

      Our corners scare me.

    • Chris White says:

      The OLine did okay, can be better but they did fine. We had 12 rushing attempts with the best running backfield in the nation. That’s unnaceptable. If we are going to run this offense you have to use the run the set up the pass. Even more so if we don’t have aggressive and physical WR’s coming off the line to get open

      • Docknoss says:

        What I gathered from Lincoln Riley, I was thinking the O just wasn’t opening up lanes for the RB. I thought this was BS because he wasn’t even trying. This is the reason we lost against Texas last year WTF!

        • Chris White says:

          Yeah I think when we get behind he and Baler try to catch up in a very quick drive which means getting pass happy. They need to trust the offense and run the ball, the big pass will be there but take what the defense is giving you first

  • Jim Casy says:

    I really wish somebody would knock the hell out of Buechele. Not injure him, just welcome him real good to CFB.

  • Chris White says:

    Our defensive strength is the D line. Hope we see some more 4 down lineman sets

    • Ibtwan says:

      I remember we used to bat a lot of balls down at the line. I understand why Mike did what he did after that Baylor game in 2014, but I’m ready for the 4 lineman again.

  • Carl Carter says:

    Dang I wish we could have gotten Anthony Wheeler. Always thought he was leaning towards us while headed into the UA AA game

  • Docknoss says:

    Anyone see that play from Dimon take down the RB while still taking on the O lineman? Beastly…

  • Jim Casy says:

    Torri Hunter Jr. Thats cool. Saw Ken Griffey III last night.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Kizer looks like Rothlisberger. Kid is legit.

  • Scott says:

    Was that targeting?

  • hOUstonboomer says:

    So I was at the game, but I wanted to rewatch the game to see what I missed. Here are some notes…

    The O-line was not as bad as I thought. It was absolutely asanine that we got away from the running game. Mixon needs to be more involved in our offense.

    Baker had a decent amount of time to get rid of the ball, but was getting happy feet and didn’t keep his eyes upfield. Lincoln Riley needs to make sure he has a safety valve (either Mark Andrews or one of the RBs) if our WRs aren’t getting open. He can’t afford to take poundings for the rest of the season.

    The D-line did a great job of containing Ward. Stoops should have recognized the secondary was struggling and rushed four in the 2nd quarter. The defense should be given credit for limiting them to several FGs (covering the mistakes of the secondary).

    The LBs were frequently out of position and the secondary was woefully undersized and beaten over the top. TOO MANY missed tackles. At CB, I say give Quick, Cobb and Mbanasor a go to see how they perform. Austin had some good games with Sanchez out a few games last season, but a totally different guy was out on the field yesterday.

    Special teams did a decent job on kickoff coverage. We all know what happened with the botched FG that shouldn’t have been kicked to begin with.

    That game was definitely winnable. Oklahoma needs to go back to the drawing board in some areas, but all is definitely not lost. The team needs to do a better job of in-game adjustments. The Sooner will probably be in a lot of close games, but hopefully this lights a fire that causes the team to execute better. BOOMER SOONER!

    P.S. If we don’t fix our secondary quick, Texas and tOSU are going to light us up.

  • ALar03 says:

    Just seeing the 1st qt of the game and my biggest question is where the hell are our Lbs?! Jordan Evans played soft like he was afraid to get hit or hurt who he tackled and Tay Evans was far too slow.. they werent making plays until they were already past them…

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Disney is so tasteless get out of the parents face

  • LandThieve3 says:

    Targetting!!!!!

  • Scott says:

    That was targeting

  • LandThieve3 says:

    Perfect example of how refs can change the outcome of games

  • Jim Casy says:

    HOLY CRAP!!!!!!

  • Defend Colfax says:

    That was illegal.

  • Jim Casy says:

    So no penalty, but he’ll get suspended half a game against nobody

  • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

    The ?’s of Texsa!!

  • Jim Casy says:

    I would be shredding a ref right now if I were Brian Kelly

  • Chris White says:

    Hashtag special teams. We need someone to takeover knockoffs and punts. Let Seibert focus on field goals so he can save his leg and not be worn out

    • Bob Edwards says:

      The sad thing is that kick play ends up being a ten point swing, the difference in the final score. I agree about Seibert, he can’t practice all three enough to be good at all of them and still have a leg left by the end of the season.
      Oh, and how do you kick a field goal that long and not look for a return on the miss?

  • jimintexas says:

    why does texsa always get those calls. The referees are failing these kids

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Your child was just knocked unconscious, show the nation your pores. Nice soul patch Torii.

  • RDC212 says:

    Guys, give me something concrete to be optimistic about?

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Texas has a nice young QB but they still have track guys trying out football for WRs

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    S$%# We lost to Houston! There, I’m on to ULM.

  • Scott says:

    Kizer for Heisman.

  • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

    Wow! What a catch!!

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Kizer is now firmly on top of some draft boards.

  • Scott says:

    Kizer > Watson

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Without the wheels…though.

      • Defend Colfax says:

        He’s faster than Big Ben ever had been as a Steeler and he ran well for a while. Kid is an NFL QB. Better pocket skills and arm than Watson. That’s the NFL. College is a completely different game.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Kizer looks really good but better than Watson? I don’t know about that.

  • Jim Casy says:

    Still can’t believe Texas was gifted that non targeting call since replay is now allowed to enforce it without a ref call.

  • LandThieve3 says:

    Texas might have a nice DL and LB, but they’ve given up 35 points with most of the 4th quarter left

  • Scott says:

    In that replay if OU was playing , that would’ve been a roughing the passer on 44.

  • Scott says:

    Notre Dame dline is EATING!!!!!!!

  • Ibtwan says:

    I don’t think Buechele hasn’t been sacked all night. sheesh.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Texas high school spread football. Fluff fluff fluff. Get out of this conference.

  • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

    Third and 33, we might have given up a first down there! Just saying!!

  • Scott says:

    If you can stop the run , you can stop this Baylor Offense.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Like I said yesterday this high school spread, 7 on 7 bs is the equivalent of AAU basketball. Alley oops and flashy jerseys. Watered down.

    • CcrBoomer says:

      You would think it would create an abundance of great wr’s too.

      • Defend Colfax says:

        It creates divas that don’t like being touched. It makes the game too rough and “un fun” for them and they give up on routes and games.

        Edit: this is not a slight at our receivers this is from my experience and personal taste.

  • Ibtwan says:

    I’d be a horrible coach. I’d go for it everytime its 4th and 1

  • Jim Casy says:

    Go for it, dammit. Bah, stupid non conference people don’t understand

  • Jim Casy says:

    you gave the ball back plus now they are going to take 4 downs all the way down the field. should just let them score now and get the ball back

  • Ibtwan says:

    Kizer still has this.

  • Scott says:

    Kizer time now.

  • RDC212 says:

    Too much time.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Wow!

  • Scott says:

    OH MY GOD.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Lmao

  • SWoods says:

    HOLY NOTRE DAME

  • LottsSocks says:

    The eyes of Texas! ?

  • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

    That’s some funny shi! Right there!

  • Shelby is a Patriot says:

    Lmao

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Special teams have been kind to ND tonight.

  • CcrBoomer says:

    Did Texas not watch OU vs Houston Good Gawd

    • Ibtwan says:

      Someone made a good point that on Kicks its all offensive linemen blocking and dbs on the outside trying to block the kick. If they get a hold of it, not much of a chance for the kicking team.

  • LandThieve3 says:

    College football. You cannot make this stuff up

  • Fear The Magic says:

    ok…that definitely made me chuckle.

  • Jim Casy says:

    notre dame killed themselves not going for it
    but
    now this!

  • Fear The Magic says:

    ok so we had the kick 6 and Texas has a kick 2.

  • Jim Casy says:

    ND better not try to just sit on the ball

  • Ibtwan says:

    What horrible play calling by ND.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Half measure Catholics

  • RDC212 says:

    Wow. ND play calling turns scared.

  • LottsSocks says:

    ND need Riley to remember to pass

  • Jim Casy says:

    Welp

  • SWoods says:

    Unbelievable, did they forget texsa just drove the field and scored?

  • Ibtwan says:

    Texas kicker looks nervous

  • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

    Pic 6 would be nice!

  • SWoods says:

    Crap

  • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

    Wow!

  • Scott says:

    Thank you penalty

  • Scott says:

    Bad play.

  • Scott says:

    Michigan vs Michigan st

  • Jim Casy says:

    Brilliant recruiting move changing the game to sunday night

  • Gurry says:

    Well, the saxet game won’t be easy now will it!? Damn that RS fr. is good

  • Gurry says:

    Saxet has their version of the Bell-dozer going in tonight

  • Jim Casy says:

    sh$t i forgot about swoopes

  • Gurry says:

    Charlie !ay save his Jon with this game alone.

  • Shelby is a Patriot says:

    Ty, ND.

  • SWoods says:

    GO for 2

  • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

    To easy!!

  • Gurry says:

    Don’t miss the kick…

  • Defend Colfax says:

    But but we haven’t even finished texas fight.

  • CcrBoomer says:

    LOL Texsa

  • Jim Casy says:

    YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ibtwan says:

    Never thought ND would give up 44 points. Texas Offense that good?!

  • Gurry says:

    ESPN made out with the slate of games this weekend, finally.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    Nothing quite like college football. I hate both of these teams so much.

  • Gurry says:

    A saxet win works in OUr favor when we beat them, but unjust can’t come to grips rooting for them!

  • Fear The Magic says:

    Id like to see a fake FG here

  • Scott says:

    Lets go Notre Dame defense.

  • Gurry says:

    Crazy to see saxet hurry up. Doesn’t make sense

  • Ibtwan says:

    BRING EVERYBODY!

  • Gurry says:

    So far away, but after yesterday’s game and today, I have NO idea what to think about OU/saxet.

  • LandThieve3 says:

    Texas using the infamous belldozer formation

  • Jim Casy says:

    thought he was gonna blow up the QB. got trucked. hopefully all is well.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    I like how texas uses their maulers. They may not look that great in pass protection but run run run with your big backs and throw the 9 route is their game plan and you don’t have to be great at pass pro for that.

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  • ⚡️Electric Sooner⚡️ says:

    Well crap!!

  • Ibtwan says:

    Texas will be in the top 25. OMG

  • LandThieve3 says:

    Well.. We better beat Texas or recruiting will not be good for us in the state of Texas in the near future

  • Shelby is a Patriot says:

    Gross.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    At least Notre Dame lost.

  • RDC212 says:

    Texas is gonna beat our a$$es.

  • Scott says:

    I still got Cal beating Texass

  • CcrBoomer says:

    They will be pumped for RRR this year

  • CcrBoomer says:

    I think Swoopes knee was down before the ball crossed

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Big 12 is better and more fun when UT doesn’t suck. As of right now, I’d say the Big 12 race is wide open.

  • soonerborn says:

    Mr. Wilson and Mr. Hines just committed to Texas.

  • Fear The Magic says:

    Doesnt matter. Shanes whole family is still yelling Boomer Sooner.

  • Defend Colfax says:

    How many concussions has Charlie Strong had?

  • soonermusic says:

    Shades of the Belldozer. Texas hangs half a hundred on the hated Notre Dame. Looks good for the Big 12, and will look good for OU after the Sooners crush the Longhorns. 🙂

  • ALar03 says:

    Thats a team that loves their coach..

  • Maverick says:

    I don’t even like football anyway.

  • Brandon Hargraves says:

    I hope none of our commits watched college football this weekend..

  • SWoods says:

    F**k that hurts. Too bad all those recruits were there to see it. We have to beat Ohio st.

  • Jesse says:

    Bye Hines.

  • Ibtwan says:

    Well this is the opposite of how I thought this weekend would go.

  • soonermusic says:

    Couldn’t be happier to see ND lose. Couldn’t be happier to see them defeated by a team that we will beat. And a heck of an exciting finish on top of that. Glad I tuned in for the end.

    • SCKSChief says:

      I’m glad that you are confident that OU will beat Texas. Should’ve beaten UT by 40 last year…

    • Shelby is a Patriot says:

      I hope you are right. OU has a lot of work ahead of them.

      • soonermusic says:

        true

      • SCKSChief says:

        Maybe too much. I’m afraid tOSU schools them…a la Clemson. Lose that and their run for the Final Four is over and we have to wonder whether they’ll get it together for the B12 schedule.

        • Shelby is a Patriot says:

          I don’t have too much confidence myself. Last night’s game was so bad you couldn’t make it up. It was like Murphy ‘s Law on a football field. Won’t complain if we make an incredible comeback, won’t be surprised if we don’t.

          • SCKSChief says:

            Won’t be surprised either. Doesn’t mean it won’t make me sick if they fall on their faces. Really sick of the flaming bags of dogsh*t Stoopsie’s boys have been dropping yearly…

  • soonerborn says:

    Not looking forward to see OU try to tackle Foreman, Warren and Swoopes. And the. Defend Burts deep. Please for the love of the football Gods, don’t have Dakota cover Burts.

  • Gurry says:

    In reality, if Lincoln allows more than 12 carries for Perine/Mixon, we’re not too worried about the 2nd weekend in Oct. Lets see how these next 3 weeks work out and see what they work out. Remember, it took a terrible loss to saxet for him to open his eyes and his playbook.

  • Scott says:

    Houston > texass

  • Defend Colfax says:

    We lost by not tackling when preparing to open up against a top 25 team. There should be more outrage about OKLAHOMA not running the OKLAHOMA drill. C’mon Spurrier. I mean Stoops.

  • Maranatha846 says:

    When do the polls come out and how far do we drop?

    • Scott says:

      Well 3 , 5 and 10 lost but polls come out on Tuesday after the Ole piss game. Ole piss is ranked 11 and Crap legs is ranked 4.

    • CcrBoomer says:

      Not sure who will drop further LSU or OU. OU lost to #15 although a G5 school and LSU lost to an unranked P5 but kept the game competitive.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Tuesday, and I expect they will plummet.

      Not b/c they lost to a bad team, but I suspect the AP will ‘exact some revenge’ for overrating OU (even thought that was of their own doing) who came up short in a big spot (yet again).

      My bet is they fall even farther that LSU, who lost to an unranked team. But maybe they’ll surprise me.

  • Kevin Moore says:

    Now that all of our crimson colored glasses have been completely crushed let’s get real. We did NOT lose to Houston due to a talent gap. You can have the best running back of all time, but poor blocking, schemes and play-calling will not allow him to succeed. You can have the best Defense of all time, but continually rush only 3 on 3rd down and get beat too. OU got outcoached (period). If the Coaches do not get it together this week then it will be a very long season. It is very possible OU will go from #3 in the pre-season to having 3 losses after 4 games and maybe even start off 1-4 (Houston, Ohio State, TCU, Texas). I’m FAR from a Debbie Downer and believe we could turn it around the next few weeks. But it will take some MAJOR honesty and time in front of the mirror for all of our Coaches and players to make that happen. Boomer Sooner

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  • Thegunnfather says:

    Are these air raid offenses not built for teams who may not be able to get top notch linemen or beast for running backs ( like we have) and deploy a lot of quick hitting timing routes to a lot of different receivers? ie. TTech, ECU. Just sayin.

    And I Want to see our guys run down hill !!!!!!!

  • Thegunnfather says:

    We can definitely play better

  • Oscar says:

    From OUHoops.com —– Bob Poops. haha

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    The Houston game was atrocious and I was embarrassed after watching it. Baker held on to the ball way too long. If guys are covered you either need to throw it high for one of our 6foot 5 guys or throw it away, that simple. The o-line was atrocious period. Pass protection was just terrible. Recievers were not great. Running backs were good considering how many touches they had (which was mind boggling). DBs were awful, something that should have been a strength. Dakota Austin should never start a game again, backup definitely. Linebackers were atrocious but that was somewhat to be expected considering experience. Defensive line was good at stopping the run but couldn’t get any pressure on the QB at all, I mean he had all day back there. Special Teams were atrocious, we all know why I would say that. We could have won this game had it not been for the dumb penalties we have problems with year after year after year so on and so forth. We could have won if the refs had a clue what a fumble is or pass interference for that matter. How in the world did the coaches not see the guy back at the goal line on that fg attempt is unforgivable. That was a 10 point swing had that fg gone in but Legatron hasn’t proven he has enough leg on KOs or FGs. The offensive play calling wasn’t good. I’m pretty pissed about how little we ran the ball with having some success. The defensive game plan of keeping Ward from running by letting him stay in the pocket ALL FREAKING DAY lets us know for sure Mike has no clue how to effectively stop a running qb because he threw on us at will. There is PLENTY of talent on this team to have a great season. It’s not fair to say when other teams consistently get more out of their players than we do. It wasn’t a great day to be a sooner. It’s not going to be a great week to be a sooner and it’s too early to tell about the season at this point but I’m not holding my breath. Crucify me if you want for my comments I don’t care if you do but they are honest.

    • DCinAZ says:

      Mike’s gameplan was sound the the Dline and ILBs executed it perfectly. The Dline isn’t who brings the pressure in a 3-4 yet they pressured Ward all day.

      • Mike says:

        In Alabama’s 3/4 They NEVER rush less than 4..never…

      • Lane Gilstrap says:

        So the secondary is just supposed to cover for 7-8 seconds on every play? The wait and see defense won’t work.

        • Maranatha846 says:

          Coog secondary covered our guys that long. The he difference was while they were covering our Qb was running around for his life back there whereas their Qb was looking for a receiver. We contained award but didn’t pressure him.

      • Maranatha846 says:

        This. Mike’s plan to control Ward and not let him run was good, but the secondary couldn’t cover and Ward is pretty good at hitting an open man.

  • ou1168 says:

    1. I think we need to focus more on special teams . We are not special at all in our return games . Our coverages are good and AS is solid . But that’s just because he came to us solid.

    2. We were just out played and outcoached sat . Mike usually sat back and only rushed 3 or 4 which gave Ward to much time . Then he did a good job of finding our weak spot . Stupid penalties ,bad calls , and poor man coverage killed the defense.
    3. Love Riley but e calehorrible game sat . Gave up on the run way to easy . s a perfect game for screens .draws , wheel routes , toss play,shttle passes etc …anything to slow their rush down . OL has got to play better or Baker will get hurt soon . We are lacking speed at the wr position and with our size Baker just needs to trust our guys and chuck it t them sometimes.
    4.Its all coming to Ohio st and Tcu win those and we will be back in itose hem and it will just be another fun season but a missed chance at any prizes .

  • normanite says:

    We lost the game because Riley abandons the run at the first sign of trouble.

  • David Schulte says:

    Time for Stoops to go. This team is Soft, and we have coach who is too afraid of getting players hurt during spring ball and practice. How much does this team hit in practice??? Brother Mike should have never been brought back–it’s obvious Venables carried Mike’s ass. Coach Tibbs is not qualified to coach at OU. For Christ sakes, he was coaching at KU last year.

    • T. says:

      Yes, a defense only allowing 26 points to one of the highest scoring teams in the nation is just awful and so is holding them to 76 yards in the second half /s. Coach Thibodeaux has only coached one game at OU and I’m sure many others would agree when I say the d line played a pretty damn good game.

  • OUknowitscomin says:

    Mayfield didn’t have a good day. That might seem odd, as his stats looked fairly good especially 1st half. His decision making was one of worst days I’ve seen.
    1.Not pitching to Perine on option, instead running into Oliver himself. Perine would still be running.
    2. Not passing to Andrews, who truly was open a couple times while looking right at him. Needs more confidence in Andrews or something. One of them all he needed to do was lead Andrews with pass, so much open space.
    3. He was high on passes, if not for an incredible catch my Mixon, would have missed his wide open pass too. Pass to Flowers as well.
    4. Holding on to ball – nothing more needs said
    5. I want to see 1 at most, called QB runs/game. That’s not Bakers fault, but cmon we got Perine & Mixon for that.

    Not bashing Baker, truly a talent. But not a good day for him IMO & possibly the biggest reason for loss, at least equal to OL & DB’s.

    • Steve Harris says:

      Got to hand it to Herman and his DBs who played unexpectedly well. UH may actually be a final four team. But yeah, Baker air-mailed the ball over open receivers and seemed twitchy throughout this game, a credit to the Coogs’ overall intensity. OUr DBs getting burned on Ward’s less than stellar throws-ouch. And where were OUr tacklers on that “kick six”? On the sidelines, in favor of nothing but blockers?

      I’m left hoping that, two weeks hence, our players (and OUr fans) can channel some of the energy that we were victims of on Saturday.

    • Maranatha846 says:

      I honestly think Baker lacks confidence in his receivers. He has seen them in practice and also saw last year that they can’t catch the ball. Last year he had a man that would always make the catch, no matter where the ball is thrown, now he’s gone. I’m pulling for Jones to get to play and prove to be his go to receiver. I know the talk before the season was that this year without a go to guy we would see multiple guys catch passes. Still, IMHO, Qtr backs need someone they are confident will get open and catch the ball. Does he hold the ball to long, looking for the big play? I’m not sure that’s the case. Last year everyone talked about lack of separation by our receivers and I think that problem is real, and still there.

  • Equalizer says:

    Oklahoma just got outplayed and out coached. Houston belongs in aP5 conference but I am afraid that the Oklahoma schools along with the Kansas and Iowa schools are afraid of Houston.

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  • Cory Reedy says:

    I was at the game, went straight to Galveston with the family and I think I may now be finally cooled off enough to post. We have a huge talent issue. Their front 4 go pressure on Baker and ours could not get pressure on Ward. As bad as our secondary was, Ward sure did have a clean pocket and time to throw to pick us apart. WE HAVE TO BLITZ more or we will get kicked around the field this year. Dakota got pulled way to early. That early PI was bogus…that was great defense. How many back shoulder passes can we not defend? Where were the adjustments? I was watching the players/sidelines a lot of the time and there was absolutely ZERO emotion. Like we did not want to be playing football at all. Houston looked like Baylor over there dancing/jumping up and down…we were napping on our bench.