Some Thoughts On OU vs. Clemson

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So that pretty much sucked. All credit to Clemson, though, as they were clearly the better team.

I’m not going to bore you with complaints about my viewing experience despite being in a locale that some may go so far as to consider “paradise.” I’ll simply say it was not an enjoyable one, which certainly was not helped by what I witnessed on the screen in that second half.

And I can all but guarantee you putting something like this together in the immediate aftermath of what can only be considered an incredibly disappointing loss is a mistake. But I’ll be traveling most of Friday, haven’t really had any time to write all week, so I just kind of need to get this out of me. And I have nothing but time to do so right now, so here we go.

* I just want to get the whole ref thing out of the way right off the top. The refs didn’t cost OU this game, nor did they have any kind of impact on the outcome.

Were there some ridiculously terrible calls AND non-calls? No question. But that happens in any given game and as was already said, it didn’t factor in the end result.

* I also think it’s important to have some perspective as to the season as a whole. Yes, tonight sucked. No getting around that. It’s impossible not to be disappointed even though from the perspective of this particular OU fan, the Sooners were basically playing with house money tonight.

There was no way I foresaw this team making the CFB playoff way back in August, and I have a strong suspicion I wasn’t the only one who felt that way.

Again, that in no way changes being pissed off about losing 37-17. I’m just saying a little perspective maybe takes the tiniest bit of sting out of it.

* Again this is shortly after the game, in the emotion of things, and without the benefit of a replay. But with that caveat, I can’t really say I was all that impressed with either Lincoln Riley or Mike Stoops in this one.

I definitely thought Riley had his moments — I absolutely LOVED putting Dede Westbrook in the backfield, getting Mark Andrews involved, etc. — but it seemed like he got away from the run game early much too quickly.

As for M.Stoops, Clemson’s offense couldn’t have been much more one dimensional — granted, it was one hell of a dimension but still just one nonetheless — and yet the Tigers essentially ran the ball at will from start to finish. I had sincerely hoped there would be some type of adjustment made by M.Stoops in the second half, but that opening Clemson drive quickly put any notion of that to rest.

* You can’t take away from being up at the half, especially after what we all thought was a momentum seizing INT to boot, but in hindsight it kind of feels a little bit like fool’s gold.

The OU defense had bent so many times and, to their credit, held Clemson to field goals if not outright stops. But you still had that sense it might be just a matter of time before the dam broke from all that bending.

Then the second half happened.

* I thought former OU standout Dusty Dvoracek summed things up pretty nicely.

Truer words will not be spoken in 2015.

Simply put Oklahoma was flat-out dominated on both sides of the line of scrimmage for the majority of the night. Whether it was Baker Mayfield scrambling for his life — even after Clemson lost one of the top pass-rushers in the country early on in the game — and/or Deshaun Watson & Wayne Gallman gashing OU on the ground.

Honestly, to me the OU defense just looked tired. I don’t really know how else to put it. And it wasn’t just in the second half, when it became abundantly clear they were gassed, but even early on in the first half at times.

* I was also repeatedly struck by how Clemson finished almost every single run hard, fighting for that extra yard or two and almost always getting them.

Granted, OU defenders getting pushed backwards isn’t something new. And it’s not like I was under the impression Clemson was some kind of finesse team. But still, I was surprised/impressed at just how tough they were running the ball.

And I’m certainly no expert, but I thought OU’s linebacker play (save one Striker, Eric), or at least tackling, was borderline atrocious.

* The loss of Charles Walker was most definitely felt in a big way. I thought Charles Tapper had a heck of a game, but not having Walker rotating in with Matt Dimon on that opposite side certainly hurt.

* Little bit of a glimpse of the future with the games from Jarvis Baxter, Wesbrook & Andrews, but good lord does OU have a lot to replace next year with the loss of Sterling Shepard. Something we’ve known for a long time, of course, but reinforced yet again Thursday night.

* Samaje Perine is a freaking warrior. But much like the Shepard thing, we all knew that already.

* Jeffrey Mead finding a reliable pair of hands over the break was certainly a welcome development.

* I’ve already seen several people say the failure to convert on that quick screen pass to Michiah Quick may have been the difference in the game. It wasn’t.

Yes, he would have been well served to get upfield and get the first down, rather than hesitate, dancing around only to get stopped short. But the game was not lost on that one play and to suggest otherwise is frankly pretty dumb.

* I could be wrong, but I thought it was a pretty rough night for Jordan Thomas.

* Kind of can’t believe I’ve got this far and never really mentioned Baker Mayfield. I thought he played good, not great. You got some of the good and bad that comes with his style of play. His ability/tendency to extend plays has been a bit of a double-edged sword all year and on a couple different occasions Thursday night it hurt him, whether it was taking a sack or throwing the ball to the other team.

* It’s obviously the last game of the season, thus it’s also the last time I can bitch about OU’s mind-numbingly stupid approach to special teams. There is literally nothing anyone can say at this point to explain and/or justify their approach. If you’ve defend it in the past or attempt to do so now, you’re wrong. You have no point, no argument, you’re just wrong.

You’ve ran “punt safe” literally the entire season, never going for the block or actually setting up for a return, and yet somehow you still get beat on the fake punt. How does that happen?

* I know Bob has said all year it’s the blocking in front of Alex Ross on kick returns, and I definitely think there is some degree of truth to that. But I’m also beyond convinced that there’s just something different about Ross back there this year compared to last, and it’s obviously not a good different.

I don’t know. I’m sure I am forgetting something. But I’m also sure myself or one of the other guys will get to it in the coming days and/or weeks as we reflect on this 2015 season.

Hope you all have a happy and safe New Year’s. I’ll see ya on the flip side.

201 Comments

  • Lincoln Hawk says:

    Thanks for putting that together Jordan. I am very proud of this team and proud to be a Sooner. I think their “Jimmy’s and Joe’s” we’re just bigger, stronger and faster. They were just a better team. Thanks everybody for all of the great discussions this year. Now let’s go sign some Studs!!!

    • Stephen Dale says:

      question is : can the OU coaches ever catch up with the ‘cream’ of D-1 schools in securing talent ? Clemson has a huge edge and Alabama looks better than Clemson…I doubt there are more than a dozen guys on the OU roster that could find a home with Clemson and maybe less in Tuscaloosa……..

      • Lincoln Hawk says:

        Yes the coaches will make it happen. Deal with it.

      • FMsooner1 says:

        Jordan the best players don’t alw alays win. The coaches were simply out coached.

        • SoonerSpock says:

          There are more much more than a handful of top coaches. And for certain top talent makes coaches look better or worse than they are. Nick Saban and Urban Meyers look to be at the top of that class. Of course Nick having the top class the last 5 years and the #5 class his sixth year has very little to do with his success.

          Poppycock!!! much more the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s than the X’s and the O’s. But yes even the top coaches get out coached on occasion. Think Utah 31-Alabama 17, OU 45-Alabama 31, Ohio State 42-Alabama 35, Louisana-Monroe 21-Alabama 14, Texas A&M 29-Alabama 24, Auburn 34-Alabama 28, Ole Miss 23- Alabama 17 and Ole Miss 43-Alabama 37.

          Damn certain that Nick had the best talent in the above losses. Look at the top 5 recruiting classes for the last 5 years and look at the final top 5 for the same period. Amazing how frequently Alabama, Ohio State, Florida State and LSU repeatedly appear on both list.

      • SoonerSpock says:

        Probably not as long as the Sooners are in the B12 and that is another 10 years minimum with the media grant of rights contract. Presently the B12 is hands down the worse Power 5 conference by far.

        With KSU playing Arkansas, TCU play Oregon without Boykins, WVU playing ASU and OSU playing Ole Miss I expect the B12 to finish 1-6 or 2-5 at best. That will give the B12 a 4-10 or 3-11 bowl record the last two seasons. The next worse Power 5 conference is the ACC which has finished with an 8-12 bowl record.

        Yes, the ACC played in eight more bowl games and had 4 or 5 more bowl wins than the B12 in 2014/2015 and 2015/2016. The Pac 12, B1G and SEC have/will do far better than the ACC or the B12.

        Why would any top national prospect want to play in the B12 unless he grew up in B12 country and always had the dream to play in the B12. The B12 will always get a few top prospects but far from their fair share.

        Makes me sick at my stomach. But it is what it is.

        • Remember, you have to look at the opponents they are playing in the bowl games also. The ACC and Big 10 usually get cream puffs as opponents for the most part. Especially the ACC. It is not just about bowl wins and losses.

      • Cav66 says:

        Interesting talent evaluation. Our coaches are generally excellent (although I admit Clemson seems to have their number). I would rate the overall talent level of OU and Clemson roughly the same. Clemson clearly has more players performing at an elite level. Bama has an obvious advantage in talent level over most of college football right now. As to whether our coaches can catch up with the “cream” I would say they are already quite close, but I tend to be optimistic.

  • Soonerfandave84 says:

    Credit all to Clemson, they were clearly the better team.

  • albsooner says:

    Great year. Exceeded expectations. D showed many weaknesses. OL showed some weaknesses. A lot to be grateful for, and a lot to be frustrated about. Cannot complain too much. We have to rebuild and it starts with recruiting. We have to improve. Hope we land some whales and finish strong. Boomer!

    • Stephen Dale says:

      OU needs more talented linemen and linebackers. the linebackers may be on the way. it remains to be seen about the linemen……not impressed by Bedenbaugh’s boys tonight ………..it is also fair to question the evaluation ability of the coaches if the best OU had were on the field tonight…………….

  • SugarTown Scott says:

    Gave Watson way too much credit as a passer. Sans Deon Cain we aint gettin beat deep. Press the WRs (Hayes and Haynes style) and make Watson beat you with his arm which I absolutely think he would not be able to do.

    Riley also gave up on running game too early. First drive worked because mixed run and pass. Never really seemed to consider run later and after a while it was too late.

    All that being said, Clemson probably a better team but guess what? So was Bama two years ago. We could easily have won this game.

    • Daddy R says:

      Not impressed with Riley in this game. Not in the least.

      • Stephen Dale says:

        same Riley & Mike Stoops we saw in the RRS in October. Same team deficiencies, too. Clemson replicated Texas’s game plan …………

        • pawneesooner says:

          Like JE said, it all starts in the offense and defensive lines. Couldn’t block, couldn’t tackle. Since when is an arm tackle or shoulder bump considered a form tackle?

          • FlatLander says:

            Agreed. It all came down to getting whipped in the trenches. I have always felt arm tackles were a sign of being a step late in the play. Walker was sorely missed. When we had CU pinned inside their five yard line on a first down Watson went around the edge but DJ Ward went straight inside left his gap. Result fifty yard run.

        • FMsooner1 says:

          Jordan I think you maybe on to something. Mike cannot derive a defense to stop a running QB.

    • Waffles says:

      Difference was, the Tide was not motivated, Clemson was.

  • Daddy R says:

    Good thoughts Esco. Great season, but hugely disappointing loss today.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    OU doesn’t have the talent to win anything more than the conference title. No NC next year or anytime in the foreseeable future…A difference in quality of talent was apparent tonight at every position ….

    • Mizuno44 says:

      Disagree. Even though Clemson was the better team tonight, there were several missed opportunities which would have kept us in this ball game. I’m not going to insult your football intelligence, but I will say I don’t think you’re a candidate for any Life Coach opportunities. I hope you find some optimism in your life, and enjoy a happier 2016. Best of luck.

    • Jake says:

      Just another example of you talking out of your a**!
      You probably said OU had no chance of being here to begin with so how’d that turn out for you?
      You don’t know jack, never have. Doubt you ever will
      Boys played s tough game tonight. They lost. Deal with it.

      Boomer!

    • FMsooner1 says:

      Thanks for the comments Jordan. Your alter ego Stephen is really handing out the compliments.

    • Baron Boomer says:

      Downer Dale – not sure why you post here.

      This is an intelligent OU fan site – you are neither.

      Regards,
      Baron Boomer.

  • Robert Boone says:

    Clemson was the better team no doubt and OU had a great year. With that said, I am not sure Mike Stoops’ defense will ever have success against a good running QB. Whether it was Watson tonight on simple QB keeper or Texas’ QB earlier this year. Trevor Boykin, Geno Watson, or whatever no name running QB. It has always been a puzzle he has yet to solve. Very frustrating, but was also nice to see Mayfield give others fits this year.

  • Waffles says:

    Watched the 1986 National Championship game last night getting ready for
    today. You got the feeling watching that game that OU had no peer in
    College Football. They were purely dominant in all phases of the game
    except passing, but that first half pass to Keith Jackson showed they
    had that in their arsenal as an effective play action weapon. Now,
    today, thirty years later, we are no bottom feeders among the elite by
    any stretch . . . . but how do we get that dominant edge like we had
    with more attractive places to play for the 21st century teenager? How
    do we get back to where we were?

  • Wilson says:

    I’m turning the page…time to put on my BB garb and get down to the LNC and support those guys and gals…Roll Tide…go Sparty…beat Clemson…yes…I hold a grudge….

    • Waffles says:

      I’m not, I hope Clemson bludgeons Alabama. I don’t want Alabama to snare any more Natty’s. Their trajectory needs to go down. It will effect any budding dominance we need to re-establish in recruiting.

      • Wilson says:

        Alabama is not our problem in getting the top recruits..There is Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, LSU, Baylor, Ohio State, USC and now Houston. Just to name a few… I think this year did a lot to regain some recruiting momentum. They just need to follow it up with another NC contending year. Clemson has reached near Stoolwater status with me… i can’t root for them… but everybody has the reasoning..thats mine…

        • Waffles says:

          Agreed, Alabama is not our problem in getting top recruits . . . just Alabama continuing their trajectory affects our long-term dominance as the premier marquis program in all of college football history. Alabama is threatening to pull away with their total number of Natty’s. That surely plays in some star recruits minds. We have a chance to make a bold statement against Ohio State next year and the next. We have already made a statement against Notre Dame. USC does not bother me, they’re a train wreck at the moment. All other teams are second tier elites over the long term of college football history IMO. So I always take the stance of rooting against the teams mentioned whenever they suit up. Go Clemson.

          • Wilson says:

            Sound Logic…can’t argue against it…it’s just the Clemson bunch has no class…can’t root for that type of team.

      • leatherneck1061 says:

        Yep. No matter who we lose to in a playoff, I still hate the SEC more. Unless of course it’s Texas.

    • Scott says:

      Bama will kill Clemson

  • Swanny says:

    Agree with it all amigo… I think the decision to practices 1’s vs 1’s came back to haunt us. We peaked at the wrong time. Said this: https://twitter.com/JasonSwanny/status/682683179434561537

  • Soonerlaw6 says:

    Tough loss but fun season. Remember we were a combined total of 8 points from being 11-2 last year. I know it’s not a popular opinion but I propose that we weren’t as bad as we thought last year nor as good as we thought this year. Some times you catch the breaks and sometimes you don’t. Cheers to 2016.

  • EasTex says:

    Disappointing end to a very good season.
    The team seemed fired up and ready to play in the first half. Couldn’t believe how flat they were in the second.

    • Hotrod33 says:

      They looked rough after that first possession of the second half. We had our chances to stay in it but when the offense doesn’t help out the defense it will be a long day. The future looks good for us. With most of the offense back and some of the young guys on defense to take the step up it should be an interesting 2016. Very proud of our Sooners on a great season.

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    • Walter Sobcek says:

      I had some concerns about Clemson pressuring BM, but overall I think the pass protection was good enough to give BM time to throw, and he did pretty well. Disappointed that there weren’t more lanes for the run game, but didn’t help that our backs were banged up. I think the D wore down, and I can see why: Watson and that RB are extremely quick and mobile.

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    • hemisooner says:

      We simply got beat in the trenches. Losing walker hurt big time. We lacked depth on the dline this year bc of the Jackie Shipp deal. We got some very talented guys redshirt in so the future is bright. Same thing with oline, 2 freshmen tackles and true soph guard . Patton and Kittles set OU back in terms of talent. Don’t know how much talent we got waiting but at least they have a good coach to learn from. I think we had a great season considering how young we actually are.

      • Sacramento Sooner says:

        True. Interested to see what we look like with all of Bedenbaugh’s recruits.

    • hemisooner says:

      We simply got beat in the trenches. Losing walker hurt big time. We lacked depth on the dline this year bc of the Jackie Shipp deal. We got some very talented guys redshirt in so the future is bright. Same thing with oline, 2 freshmen tackles and true soph guard . Patton and Kittles set OU back in terms of talent. Don’t know how much talent we got waiting but at least they have a good coach to learn from. I think we had a great season considering how young we actually are.

    • Stephen says:

      Disappointing but I hope that it doesn’t outweigh how much fun it was to watch this team down the stretch for fans.

  • Robert Boone says:

    We had a great year this year. The goal is to better and go forward instead of backward. I believe that will happen as we continue to get better players and players that fit our offensive system. You will always need a great OL and DL to win big games. We haven’t done all that great getting the dominant players at these positions. That will have to change.

  • Wilson says:

    One more perspective check…there are 100 plus D-1 football teams. OU was on of the final 4…not bad…not bad at all…

  • soonerborn says:

    My two cents:
    1. I have always been a Dimon fan, but tonight he didn’t even try it seemed to get up field. They didn’t rotate much. Ward completely f’ed up on the zone read that cause Clemson QB to get the big gain.
    2. Mixon wasn’t Mixon. He went down on first contact every carry tonight. And Perine was doing well 10 carries for 50 something yard at the half. Should of had more if LR would stop calling pass plays.
    3. Baker needs to check down
    4. LR needs to move to press box.
    5. The punt safe hurt us. That to me was the game changer that cause us to lose. They’ve been so used to just turning around to watch shep fair catch the ball so much that they got caught sleeping.

    Out coached and out played.

    Bring on 2016 and let’s chase 8

    • Walter Sobcek says:

      I just don’t think it’s in BM’s DNA to check down. He’s going to tuck the ball and take off. Perhaps he can work on that for next year.

    • Hollerback says:

      Disagree with LR criticism. Clemson shut down the OU run cold for long stretches and he was slow to go to all out passing attack. He should have fed Shepard the ball. “Baker needs to check down” to whom? did you watch the game, check downs were covered. BV sold out to stop the quick and easy stuff and gambled Baker wouldn’t have time to wait on a WR to make a deep cut. 4. is stupid, need LR next to the QB since he is QB coach too. 5. agree, hated our punt return all season, seems purposely to handicap ourselves.

  • Walter Sobcek says:

    I have been befuddled by our no punt return philosophy as well. Anyway, if you saw the game thread post, the stats for the Texas and Clemson games were astonishingly similar. I thought the Texas debacle was largely scheme, but tonight I thought it was the speed and elusiveness of the Clemson backfield. They are scary fast and quick. Baker Mayfield is high risk, high reward. He threw a couple of picks but overall he played well. Finally, we still need more speed. It kills.

    • Daddy R says:

      Not only the punt return, but even on fg block. They just always stand there! Not barely even a hand up!!! What the hell happened to Bob and believing in coaching special teams? Very strange to me. Don’t even try to block fg’s anymore? It’s almost like he would rather that phase of the game (special teams) not even exist. Thats sure how we’ve been treating it anyway…

      • Walter Sobcek says:

        Yeah, I really though we were going to pull out all the stops and go for it o special teams tonight. Head scratching in that category.

    • I didn’t see a lot of speed from their “little” #9, but I did see him carry 4 and 5 defenders for another 5-8 yards several times. Shoot, he was half the size of Perine, but still whipping our DL and LB’s.

  • Jpsooner23 says:

    Now that the season is over the elephant in the room must be revealed. Hate me if u want, but we were beaten by a team with a higher talent level, bottom line. We have made the most of some 3 star guys and bringing the heart as we have done all year. But if we want the next level, we MUST start landing ELITE athletes. A sprinkle of 3 star guys with heart will always be good, but we will not be a NC contender until we start landing our share of 5 star recruits. And for those who don’t think Clemson is doing that you are wrong. The same DC we wanted to run out of town manhandled us twice. Twice. But look at the NFL talent he is and has been working with.

    • Waffles says:

      I agree with you. Oklahoma is no longer the apple of many 4 and 5 stars eyes for some reason. Why?

      • Daddy R says:

        4 straight losses in national championship type games dont help in that area..

      • Jpsooner23 says:

        Natty’s and locale of elite recruits. We have to take over Texas recruiting again. An appearance in the semis this year will help though I think, but 2000 was a LONG time ago. These kids weren’t even born then.

        • Waffles says:

          We historically dominate the Big 12. Assuming the Big 12 becomes a regular fixture in the CFP, the law of averages should play in recruits minds that Sooners are as good a bet as any to play regularly for championships. I think we may be able to hang our hats on our Big 12 dominance and play that angle with recruits.

        • leatherneck1061 says:

          Were playing with 14-year-old kids?

    • Walter Sobcek says:

      We need more team speed. But I think recruiting is on the upswing. Tonight sucked, but it’s still impressive to get to the playoffs, and we are already seeing the uptick in attention from some top players. The ascent of Baylor and TCU has made it more challenging to get the top Texas recruits, but it will happen.

      • Jpsooner23 says:

        Yes, that coupled with aTm using the SEC as a recruiting twist.

        I do agree though that we are on the upswing.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Just an FYI. I read a couple of days ago an article that did a comparison of OU and Clemsons recruting classes since 2011. They were almost identical as far as rankings go over that period of time. Im not saying theres not a difference in talent but if you go only by their star ratings you wouldnt know it.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        Thank you. Enough of the uniformed myths.

        • Jpsooner23 says:

          Ok, so u r cool with what happened tonight? I’m not. It’s not just Clemson. As much as I hate Bama, here I sit watching a team with a bad QB dominate a semi final game. That’s the difference. If we don’t have a superstar at QB, we have zero chance. They still do it regardless of QB talent. We have to land a miracle guy as a walk on to be competitive for NC. We can win the big 12 with what we have but we’ll need every star aligned to win it all. I’m not disgruntled, just saying this is the next step.

          You can call it a myth if u want, but I am just calling what I see. I am no expert by any means.

          • leatherneck1061 says:

            My guess is a lot of people are seeing the same thing. Our athletes just got outplayed.

          • Jpsooner23 says:

            Many are in denial of this though, including Mr. Sanchez

          • Bama game stunned me. I just did not think they could win being a one back team, no matter how good the back was. But their defense stuffed MSU. Now, MSU is not a great passing threat either, but still Bama surprised me. Will be interesting to see if they can do it vs Clemson. I say yes if Clemson is as focused on just running the ball like they did vs OU.

      • Jpsooner23 says:

        They are 8 to 3 in terms of 5 star guys over that time period. Not saying that’s the be all end all, but I know they are landing more high profile than we are. It will change if we stay on this path though.

        • Fear The Magic says:

          As I said I just read a lengthy article on this. They might be 8 – 3 on 5 star guys but the overall average is just about equal. In other words the talent level star wise is the same.

          • Jpsooner23 says:

            Not disagreeing with u, I respect everything u post. My point is in addition to those 3 star heart guys we love u have to have some 5 star studs sprinkled in. We’ve had a few down recruiting years, but turning the corner now. What I’m sayin is u can average those rankings, but at the end of the day u have to have the beasts to go with those guys to be truly elite. We are great, but have not returned to elite quite yet. Boomer!

  • Daddy R says:

    On the bright side, tomorrow is a new year!!!

  • OU ON MY MIND says:

    Pathetic performance from the team and coaching staff tonight.

    • brainpimp says:

      You have crapped all over Landthieves, you don’t need to do it over here too.

    • Soonerboyz says:

      We still have a ways to go from being elite again and it starts with all the above..

    • Mizuno44 says:

      My sentiments on your post

    • connie usa says:

      No. Pathetic was what MSU did against Bama. OU did about they best they could with the talent they have. CU won the battle of the lines, and that was the difference. I don’t think Lombardi could have coached OU to a win tonite. CU is just better.

  • Hotrod33 says:

    The oline really hurt us tonight. I have a lot of hope for this oline next year. We return a 3 of 5 and the next two that will fill in have experience. It will be a fun spring to watch who they put in those slots. I think we will be fine at wr but will go through growing pains w/o Shep being there. Defense still have some work to do. If some of these young kids can get a lot of playing time especially the lb’s then we should be fine. We are not that far off from being a complete team. If the coaches will bring in some more athletes with speed, you worry about were to put them when they get to campus.

  • LostCreekSooner says:

    Great points, pretty much agree with everything you said. Tough loss, but great year and one of the most fun years in a long time. Can’t lose the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and expect to be in the game. Shocked that our offensive line didn’t do better (surprised DS got abused on the right tackle). Walker loss was huge IMO and it was painful to watch them have success in obvious running downs repeatedly.

  • Mizuno44 says:

    Although Watson isn’t quite the athlete Vince Young was, Clemson reminds me of the 2005 Texas team.

    • Jpsooner23 says:

      Watson reminds me very much of young from back then. He’s very good, but I would say he’s smarter than young was.

    • Hooknladder says:

      What’s funny is this game was very similar to the Texas game this year for us.

    • blaster1371 says:

      He is the same as Vince young in how they have a stride that causes defenders to take bad angles on them. He doesn’t look like he is going fast but he covers ground in a hurry and has a quick shift to top gear.

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      • Waffles says:

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  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    Special request: Will TFB breakdown what we were trying to do on defense today? I saw Striker floating around apparently as a spy on Watson. But he seemed to be late getting to Watson on the runs or Watson ran away from him and Striker got caught up in the clutter. When Watson went back to pass, Striker was in coverage or? Not an expert or a brainic on x’ and o’s.

  • rphokc says:

    so, it’ll be tide/tigers……..bama will give them a war on the los and tigers will have the speed and maybe a better overall o……….might be interesting……sure hope it’s better game than the semis turned out

    • Walter Sobcek says:

      I think Bama will shut down Watson, and force a lot of turnovers. I expect Tide to win by 10.

  • leatherneck1061 says:

    I’m not at all trying to boast, but it’s been my position from the day the matchups were announced that this was not the best arrangement for us. I have felt all along Clemson was the most difficult challenge for us of all 3. I would have much rather faced Bama in the Cotton Bowl. Now go ahead and tell me how Bama is so even more awesomer and I’m crazy 😉

    • Walter Sobcek says:

      I had some concerns about this matchup because Clemson is the kind of team that has given OU problems. (And a lot of other teams as well.) But I honestly didn’t think they would be as physically dominant in the trenches, so I liked this matchup better than Bama. But Clemson proved last year’s win was no fluke. They are very good.

  • Scott says:

    I got a message for the TFB & TFB readers. WE WILL WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPOINSHIP NEXT YEAR. Mark my words , ill talk more tomorrow but Boomer Sooner .

    • leatherneck1061 says:

      Has it already been arranged?

      • Scott says:

        As much as I love Ty & Nila , they are the weakness to this oline. We will have more physical replacements for them. For the defense I think its time we will see the return of the 4-3 lineup with some of these redshirt freshman. Their are things the coaching staff needs to do better at but ill talk about that later.

        • Lincoln Hawk says:

          I would love to see us get back to 4 down lineman. Can’t say it can’t stop the spread because it did today.

          • Scott says:

            I believe we are getting better and more talent at every position. I also believe Oklahoma’s oline will look a lot similar to Bama’s oline next year.

          • Stephen Dale says:

            well, they’ll both be wearing red uniforms half the time…..that’s the only similarity most will see………

          • Brad Warren says:

            Can you please go blow your brains out? I don’t want to hear from you anymore.

        • DCinAZ says:

          Agreed on all counts. Nila and Ty are softies. Total softies and they are the weak link. I want to go back to the 4-3 as well. 3-4 has been a failure.

          • Jerry Reid says:

            Nila and Ty were getting pushed back all night, and there was a few time Nila missed blocks that cause sacks

    • Stephen Dale says:

      you must be watching the Alabama guys in the red uniforms . Those guys may win on Jan 11 and again after the 2016 season….

    • Cav66 says:

      I’m hoping to celebrate your sage prediction this time next year.

  • Walter Sobcek says:

    It’s 8.30 on the West Coast, and I’m going to a party. Sorry to end the year on a sour note – but hope springs eternal. Or at least until next season. G’nite, all, and happy new year.

  • Jason Vos says:

    I think we went as far as our talent took us. Lets be honest whether Bama or Clemson. We would have lost the game today

  • Shelby is a Patriot says:

    Mostly disappointed in attitude of team. Against Baylor, TCU, and Okie St you could see the energy, passion, and the effort of the team. You can tell they wanted to win. I didn’t recognize the team that came out at half…The players, particularly the defense, looked as If they’d already quit. They were like zombies after a play, even a good one, and never congratulated each other or showed emotion. At least Baker tried to make things happen. Defense had deja vu from Texas and resigned themselves to their fate.
    Ultimately, I’m just sad that this team tricked me into believing they wanted it enough to win the entire thing. Clemson showed effort and excitement, they wanted it and that’s why they won.
    Who the hell gave the half time speech? Came out with no heart.

    • akryan says:

      I didn’t see that. The offense couldn’t put anything together to help the defense rest. i thought the D kept fighting, they were just beaten. That happens.

  • akryan says:

    I’ve been thinking the same thing about ST. I can’t think of any other team, ever, that never returned punts. Our KO returns have been lackluster, and our kicker seems to have become worse as the season has gone on. A big change has to come with our ST philosophy.

  • Jeff says:

    Better recruit better on both lines

  • Hollerback says:

    Refs were a factor, their bad calls amounted to the equavalent of 3 drives stopped. That gave Clemson 3 extra possession to score and wore the OU defense down. Some other calls extended Clemson scoring drives, letting Clemson get points much easier.

  • Clint Lenard says:

    Gotta love it when a big loss brings out the lurkers.

  • John Garner says:

    Better team won. It’s as simple as that. I enjoyed the ride though. Been awhile since I was so high on Sooner football. Felt good. Good night. Happy New Year!

  • Martin says:

    Perhaps they didn’t determine the exact margin of victory, but the refs were definitely a factor all night. Three questionable personal fouls kept Clemson very much in the game in the first quarter.

    It looked like OU’s lines were gassed after the first 3 or 4 drives. Overtraining? Too many guys were physically spent at halftime to say it was an individual thing.

    Congrats to Bama for their pending national title – hard to believe that you can win NCs simply by having the most dominant OL/DLs (and LBs) in football, but Saban has done it at LSU and Bama.

  • Hotrod33 says:

    I can’t be help to think that Clemson did to us what we did to teams this year in the second half. We just got outplayed. Still a great season. I was looking at the roster and we are a very young team with some outstanding recruits coming in to help continue to build depth and make an impact.

  • ND52 says:

    I just don’t get how Venables can look so horrible at one school and then look so amazing at another.

    And we have to acknowledge that we played three teams this season who were playing back-up QBs. Ugh.

    • Jpsooner23 says:

      Unpopular answer, but talent is the main reason.

      • connie usa says:

        He’s now recruiting in one of the most fertile grounds in the USA. And it doesn’t hurt that a “personality” like Dabo is the HC. Dabo probably relates better to the younguns.

        • ND52 says:

          And OU is not?

          • bigrackhunter says:

            We became to methodical in recruiting at the time of his departure some of the lowest ranked classes in Stoops tenure.

          • ND52 says:

            What does this even mean? Nick Saban could be described as being, “too methodical”.

          • bigrackhunter says:

            Set in our ways and being kinda of a “settler” type of sense. We lack that swag factor, that draws top recruits attention nationally…. Which eventually led to Ship being fired.

          • Stephen Dale says:

            NO, OU is not in the center of a hotbed of talent. this state may produce 4-8 real quality D-1 prospects a year.. way to many 2*, 3* and/or “C” list guys on the Sooner roster. It showed up against Clemson.

          • SoonerJake says:

            Clemson gets most of its players from GA, FL, and of course SC. FL and GA are #2 and 4, respectively among NFL players produced. (To me, that’s the only halfway objective means of measuring a states football talent). SC is in the top 10. Virginia, also in the top 10 is about as far from Clemson as Texas is from Norman. Honestly, Swinney is doing what Clemson should have been doing for decades. Considering their location, Clemson and South Carolina are two of the most historically underachieving programs of all time.

    • bigrackhunter says:

      He is recruiting top talent in a conference that favors his style.

    • Stephen Dale says:

      its the talent around him at Clemson…….

      • Gary Robbins says:

        You have a point. They have 2-5 stars already committed for 2016. If you are a star gazer.

    • Not going to get me to feel bad about playing teams with injuries. Crap, they have been doing it to us for several years. How many times the last few years have we lost key players – QB’s, RB’s, DB’s, linemen, LB’s. No sir, glad to see it coming around to folks like TCU and Baylor.

  • Boomer4life says:

    Bottom line…Venables just has our #.

  • Boomer4life says:

    Happy New Year to all my Sooner Brethren! I gotta crow pie I need to eat.

  • akryan says:

    OT, but Treyvon Boykin just got arrested for punching a cop during a bar fight. He’ll be out for the bowl game. Stay classy TCU.

  • soonermagic44 says:

    the unsportsmanlike call on flowers early on was a killer. Correct call, but a killer. I firmly believe that without that penalty we go up 14-0, have all the momentum, and it’s a completely different ballgame.

  • Hooknladder says:

    Every word you wrote is true- One more thing- if you analyze AND even the stat line- it was a mirror image of the Texas loss.

  • rainydaze114 says:

    OU shat the bed today. They looked scared and Clemson bullied them around all night. The play calling was god awful. The defense forgot how to tackle again. Commonplace bowl performance for OU over the last 10 years or so aside from a couple exceptions. That said, the season exceeded my expectations beyond belief. Take the bad with the good I guess.

    • KJ1123 says:

      They definitely looked bullied up front. Spoke to two of those guys up front tonight and they expressed that they werent the best theyve faced…but we didnt excute like we did all year. They also said they just couldnt get things going…that was obvious. I agree with Jordan saying keep some perspective. We came a long way this year. I felt like we were on borrowed time as far as injuries and it all came to a head tonight. Im still proud of this team.

    • CcrBoomer says:

      I have to agree. Good post

  • Hollerback says:

    Quick not getting the first down was big. OU had limited chances to rally at that point and he made a bad decision. Plenty of other plays could have gone better to make up for it for sure. That one is being singled out because it was a mental mistake on an easy decision. If you want to say one play didn’t decide the game, then no one will argue that, but it was a significant play.

  • bigrackhunter says:

    I thought Rily tried to get too “cute” with his play calling… most notably showing no regards to down and distance, how many times did he call for a long down the field pass on 2nd and short instead of feeding the rock inside and moving the chains. I understand trying to catch the Clemson d off guard on that 4th down play, but there was 4 defenders on that side of the formation something JY preaches all the time about. The d looked good early and disrupted at times, yet looked clueless in the second half. I love Alexander but he was really exposed in this game and his lack of physicality At the point of attack. Dline looked overwelm and outmatched. Secondary allowed to many easy completions as the game went along. Overall it showed how effective the zone read is when ran properly and more than anything it allows you to be physical. I know the spread is what got us here but I felt like we more focused on big plays than just lining up and playing football.

    • Pokerman says:

      I’ll probably get beat up for saying this, but I’m not sold on Lincoln Riley’s offense. I much prefer the mindset of Art Briles where the run game is he bread and butter. In either case you need much better talent at WR than what we have.

      • bigrackhunter says:

        I have your back on this as you make a fair point. He seemed really round peg square hole in this game, reminiscent of the Texas game… I guess he thought Baker could keep firing balls down the field on 2nd and 3 and keep a offensive rhythm and only run when the defence is ready with favorable numbers. He almost seemed to caught up in his own system and thought he could out scheme a Defence that was ready and licking its chops.

  • Sacramento Sooner says:

    I’m interested to see how O line looks next year. I think that’s the difference. As great as Baker is, he was harassed tonight. Thinking of Bradford & his line…what could Perine & Mayfield do with that kind of protection.

  • blaster1371 says:

    O-line must get better next year. I was hoping Neal would have a break out like game but he proved once again to be unreliable. He seems to drop as many as he catches. I am hoping the WR corp gets better across the board even if none of them have league leading stats, just to a man they all get better. Tonight proved you that unless you are four deep at RB you are two plays away from losing half your offense. I thought OU was better than how they played tonight but if you would have told me in August or mid October that OU would win the conference and make the playoffs I would have thought that was way too optimistic.

  • Thegunnfather says:

    We looked like the better team in the first half, Clemson was skating by on calls other than the time Watson ran off the goal line. Refs were bad. First drive of second half we got beat bad.team laid down after couple bad calls against them. Some major players got beat up. Even on mayfield a last pick the guy he wanted to throw to was being horse collared so who knows the sh#% we didn’t see. Team seemed frustrated with it and got the better of us. Ps personal foul clapping

  • OUzaudioman says:

    I’m afraid our entire defense (and maybe Oline) gave blood to the Red Cross at halftime. Dabo gave his D a nice cocaine cocktail. Just an observation.

  • Daryl says:

    As OU began to make a run and talk of playoff was being thrown around I told everyone I knew our OL was not playoff caliber and it showed tonight. Now I do agree that we got away from the run too early. We were having decent success running the ball and then we got pass happy and think that allowed Clemson to pin ears back. Joe and Perine banged up did not help at all.

    Like many have said OU over achieved this year. Though we have some big holes to fill we don’t have a ton of holes. Next years team could be really special if they continue on this committed track to be the best they can.

    • Cav66 says:

      We did over achieve in what was essentially a rebuilding year with a number of new coaches on the staff, a new quarterback, and a young offensive line. We made some amazing strides this year and things look good moving into next season. Last night sucked, but it doesn’t change the overall positive direction of the program.

  • KellyB says:

    Curious to hear what JY says, but I noticed a real lack of communication by our O-Line. One play, for example, Goodson (#44) runs up to blitz from the outside and Samia never communicates. As a result, Goodson runs right by Samia and stops the play.

    • bigrackhunter says:

      The 4th down play with perine is one he will not be pleased with at all. Clemson had more guys on that side of the formation than we had blockers, and that’s something he has talked about alot in the past. Bad time for trickery or trying to catch a team off guard in a situation we needed to keep the chains moving.

  • Cory Reedy says:

    I haven’t read much talk. Definitely haven’t watched ESPN. I have been sleeping or keeping myself busy so I don’t think about the disappointment from last night. But as I think about the game, it is pretty clear to me that when you KNOW WHAT IS COMING, AND YOU STILL CAN’T STOP IT, you are playing a better team. Thats it. Clemson was a better team and they dismantled us at every aspect.

    Ready for some basketball and can’t wait till next year.

  • Jack Durrett II says:

    Without more and better talent on both the offensive and defensive lines this result is what we can expect next year at this level. Alabama would have killed us. Our offensive line that we thought had improved so much was outclassed bigtime. Walker would have helped but not enough.

  • Good points all, Jordan. Return game has been non-existent this year. Almost like they don’t want Shep to get hurt so he is just out there to field the ball. Ross is not the same player he was a year ago. Not sure why, but he is not. You are right in that the officials did not cost us the game, but I do believe the one’s they missed hurt OU much more than Clemson. And they were key penalties. Venables was excellent. You could tell the defense had been coached to come from all sides and keep BM contained and not let him get outside hoping he would make some mistakes and he did. What I thought was open much of the night was the QB draw up the middle as they were so worried about keeping him contained. Andrews disappeared in the second half – why? LB play and tackling were the worst since early in the year. Didn’t seem to me we had the confidence we had, even Mayfied was not his usual self on the sideline. All that said, I was predicting an 8-4 or 9-3 at best season. We won another Big 12 championship! Boomer!

    • CPSooner says:

      I agree completely with the return game. I was so frustrated that A>we don’t even attempt to EVER set up a punt return, B>we still got burned on a fake even though we weren’t going for a return or block, and C>several times Shepard had adequate space to make an attempt at a return, but all we got was another fair catch. Having said all this, I’m not griping at Shep (never) and I wouldn’t trade this season for many, it was a joy to follow all season and I look forward to many great seasons ahead. Boomer Sooner!

      • Same here. Season ended up much better than I ever thought. Watching the bowl games I am concerned that the Big 12 was really not very good this year. OSU is getting the tar beat out of them. Texas Tech did too. Baylor came through this year. Good thing Stoops is not afraid to schedule tough (I think we have Ohio State next year, right?). That really goes a long way in helping us. He has never been afraid to schedule the big boys and I like that about him.

        • SE Sooner says:

          Yep . The big 12 looks weak in bowl games . Even though we beat Tenn and TTU beat Arky in the regular season . The off season rhetoric will be big 12 soft , no defense . Looking at the way we and the Pokes played , it’s hard to argue against that
          Next year our schedule is tough enough that 1 loss and another conference champ should get us in hopefully

  • Brad Warren says:

    What’s so eerily bizarre is we had 67 yds rushing and allowed 312. Exact same numbers as texas. Can’t make that stuff up.

  • soonermusic says:

    I’ll say this about the Defense and by implication MS…I don’t care what halftime adjustments you make or how brilliantly you play as a defense, if you’re gonna score zero points in the second half against Clemson, you ain’t gonna win. Period.

    In order to beat a team as good as Clemson obviously is, OU needed everything to go just right. Losing both our star running backs at the start of the second half wasn’t the only thing that went wrong, but it was huge.

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  • Mark_in_VA says:

    Of everything said, this is the biggest:

    Honestly, to me the OU defense just looked tired. I don’t really know
    how else to put it. And it wasn’t just in the second half, when it
    became abundantly clear they were gassed, but even early on in the first
    half at times.

    It was like the defense from whorn was transported into this game. Lethargic, poor angles, hand-grab tackling, and getting physically dominated.

    Did they work the team too hard? No idea. And M. Stoops did his defense absolutely no favors with his game plan. They couldn’t get off the field, significantly contributing to their fatigue, and it just got worse from there.

  • sooner4ever says:

    The O-Line is big, strong, and efficient…usually. They have been exposed several times this year, but none as badly as against Clemson. They are slow afoot. That has to be changed. They have to work on their foot speed. Mayfield made up for it a lot during the season, because he could scramble, but when the defensive line is as strong as your offensive line, and much faster, you’re in trouble. It reminded many of us of OU vs. Alabama in the Sugar Bowl a couple of years ago. Alabama had all world linemen, but didn’t have the foot speed to keep up. Speed can’t be coached, and no matter how good Bedenbaugh may be as a coach, until he gets linemen with quicker feet, this is going to be a recurring theme when OU plays against the very best teams.