Past Excusing Present

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Bob Stoops has accomplished a hell of a lot as the head football coach at the University of Oklahoma. He will be regarded, by some, as the most successful head coach in the history of a program with one of college football’s most illustrious histories.

He is also, however, coming off the worst — or at least most disappointing — season of his tenure in Norman.

The need for change is no longer disputable. This was evident well before Saturday night’s complete collapse in Bedlam to one of the worst Oklahoma State teams in recent memory. But prior to said implosion, there were many who were very quick to point to Bob Stoops’ past accomplishments in order to excuse the present failures. Or if failures is to harsh a term for you, call it disappointments. Whatever your terminology, the simple fact of the matter is the standards for OU football, standards Stoops coached/recruited his ass off to help re-establish, are no longer being met.

These are the facts, or at least the facts as I see them.

* OU has not played for and/or been a legitimate contender for a national championship since 2008.

* In the six years since that 2008 MNC appearance, OU has averaged three losses per season. You can take that back a full decade to 2004, when OU played USC in the title game. In the ten years since that MNC appearance, OU has, again, averaged three losses per season. This isn’t a fluke year or two, this is a trend. And a disturbing one.

* This staff looks to have been coaching games not to lose rather than coaching to win. Admittedly, that’s purely an opinion of mine but I’d love to hear anyone argue against it. You need look no further than last night and the botched punt decision. If Bob had any confidence in this defense, he never would have chose to re-punt that ball. But he doesn’t and instead felt the “reward” or running another seven or eight seconds off the clock was worth the risk of what we now know took place.

And there are any other number of examples of them coaching simply not to lose a game. Look at how they handled Trevor Knight all season long. I could go on, but I feel think you get the point.

* TFB’s loyal readers and those of us who follow recruiting are aware things have been progressively getting worse for several years now. There are some out there who would have you believe otherwise, but they have paying subscribers to cater to who don’t want to pay for bad news. Things haven’t fallen off catastrophically so mind you, more so just a little bit worse with each successive year, for the most part. And now you’re seeing the results of that on the field where it sure looks to me like OU is lacking for talent at a number of positions.

And recruiting isn’t something you can fix overnight. There’s no magic cure for what may or may not appeal to an 18-year old. Winning certainly helps. Playing for national titles seems to be working for Alabama and Florida State.

The gist of what I’m saying is that right now, recruiting is a problem. OU isn’t getting the elite athletes they used to get, or at least not with nearly the same frequency.

* The other really disturbing trend, related to the previous point on recruiting, is the OU coaches don’t appear to be developing talent like they’ve done in the past. Be it at quarterback, receiver, defensive back, linebacker, etc. Back in the day you’d be cool with taking a three-star kid because you knew the coaches would develop him into a better player. That’s not really happening any more.

* Coaches don’t stick in one place as long as Bob has been in Norman. So when I say no coach has been in one place as long as he has, allowed to program to slip, then recaptured the magic and started playing for and/or winning national championships isn’t entirely accurate but only in the time with respect to his tenure.

I cannot definitively state it’s never happened, because I’m not going to spend my Sunday afternoon Googling the history of CFB head coaches, but at a minimum I feel pretty confident it’s rare for a coach who appears to have lost it suddenly get it back. Bobby Bowden didn’t do it. Joe Paterno didn’t do it. Mack Brown didn’t do it. I’m sure many of you are much smarter than myself, so I suspect you’ll able to come up with an example or two, but as I said before, even if you find one it’s bound to be the exception rather than the rule.

* Somewhat related, I can’t even begin to describe to you how much I’ve come to despise the Stoops apologists who are so quick to say “Be careful what you wish for. If you get rid of Stoops, you’ll be welcoming back the days of John Blake!”

So let me get this straight. The only possible scenario, in your mind, if Stoops is no longer the head coach at OU is what happened in the 90s? Um, yeah, okay.

Is it possible whoever eventually replaces Stoops isn’t successful? Of course it’s possible. But these people act like it’s a g.d certainty. But I’m the negative one. Oh, and speaking of Blake.

I’ve reached that breaking point. I don’t know if any of you reading this feel the same or not. I’m not trying to speak for or on behalf of you. I’m simply expressing how I feel. If that makes me an irrational, moronic fan in the minds of some, so be it.

All that said, I/you/we all know Bob Stoops isn’t getting fired. I’m not suggesting otherwise. I am, however, suggesting if he’s not willing to make the necessary changes then, yes, he needs to go.

So what are those changes?

* Josh Heupel has to go. It has been abundantly clear for some time that he never should have been given in the job in the first place. The University of Oklahoma is not a place where you learn on the job.

I’m more than willing to concede he’s had his moments, but he’s so inconsistent in his ability to call a game. He doesn’t seem to have any kind of feel for what to call when. And he has a tendency to be either (1) so predictable (see almost every short-yardage situation in recent memory) or (2) creative with his play-calls much too late into the game and/or season (see Saturday night, ‘where was that jet sweep to Ross all year?’ would be just one of many questions I’d have for Josh).

This offense has no identity and never really has under his guidance. He’s pretty clearly a guy who wants to throw the ball a majority of the time, but they don’t have any quarterbacks on campus who are capable of running that style of offense. So he’s reluctantly (my word) running a system he doesn’t really want to run which, in my opinion, is pretty hard to argue against based on what we’ve seen on the field and a refusal to fully commit to a ‘zone-read’ style of quarterback/offense.

* Mike Stoops has to go. Look, we all wanted it to work when he came back. We wanted to recreate that magic, looked like it might even happen for a little bit, but it’s clearly not working.

It’s not my place to determine whether or not the game has passed him by. But based on what we’ve seen from his defense his year and perhaps more importantly so, his utter exasperation in postgame interviews where certainly gives — at least to this OU fan — a strong indication he’s lost right now as to how to defend Big 12 offenses.

* Tim Kish has to go. Never should have been hired in the first place. This was your prototypical Stoops hiring of a friend, in this case Mike’s, that has failed in the past and done so again here. All we heard when he was hired was about how great a recruiter he was/is, the results do not back this up. And now the LB position is arguably the thinnest and most lacking in talent on the entire team. Unacceptable.

* Bobby Jack Wright has to go. This one has been coming for a while. He needs to be put in the admin job that he’s been rumored to take for years. Cornerback play has fallen off a cliff and while I’m sure he still has more than his share of connections in Texas, his days as a truly dynamic recruiter are no more (in my opinion).

* Jay Boulware has to go. Whether through his own doing or with the help of Heupel, the tight end position at OU belongs on a milk carton. An injured Sterling Shepard checking himself into a game, in horrible conditions, only to re-aggravate said injury. Or the decision to punt to Tyreek Hill on Saturday night. Add to that the complete and inexcusable abandonment of returning punts, which for pretty much every other team in the country is an opportunity to make a positive play. And, why? Because Shepard got hurt? You mean to tell me out of your 85 (or so) scholarship players, there’s literally just a single one who you feel comfortable enough putting back there only to be told to just fair catch it?

* Jay Norvell may need to go. I hedge here which you’re welcome to call me out on should you see fit. He has a stellar track record of bringing in talent at the wide receiver position, but the further development of said talent has come into question. No more so than this current season as OU has become completely reliant on a single player (Shepard). How could you allow it to get to this point? That’s a problem.

And I’m not in those meeting rooms so I can’t say how much of the blame he should share, given his co-offensive coordinator title, that most place on Heupel, but given the inconsistency of the offense this season that title isn’t helping his case.

So there you go. That’s where I’m at after this 2014 season. Maybe you can relate, maybe you can’t. All I know is something has to change. I’m not sure how anyone, and includes Bob, could argue otherwise at this point.

He went against type and made the necessary call to shake up his staff just a couple years ago and now more change is needed. Knowing what we’d like to believe we know about Bob and his sense of loyalty, those were not easy changes to make. These, however, will be even more difficult. And if he’s not willing to make them this time around then maybe, just maybe, he’s the change that needs to be made.

277 Comments

  • Herman Bubbert says:

    Complete and total agreement, Jordan.

    The only acceptable action I see is for Stoops to be presented an ultimatum by the administration: You will terminate Heupel and your brother.

    If you decline, you will be terminated.

  • bjwalker82 says:

    I don’t know that Boulware has to go, we’ve been good in ST. Norvell and the others mentioned have to go. Especially Heup.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      I would agree with this. It is not clear to me that Boulware is the one deciding to not return punts. Its the same mentality that kept Trevor from running early in the year. I think its coming from further up in the hierarchy.

    • Pokerman says:

      I have heard that the players absolutely hate Boulware, that he is a bit schizo.

      • SoonerSouthoftheRed says:

        This is the third report of players hating one of the coaches. A guy on Lanthieves said he heard the players hate mike and heupel. Has Stoops lost the locker room?

  • Daddy R says:

    I’m not that far away from some of your thoughts, and I’m def right there with the other ones. Good post man.

  • John Cherry says:

    Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, and I’m sorry but Yes. Is Spurrier Jr. available?

  • hemisooner says:

    Agree

  • HoustonChiver says:

    Ill give the Stoops brothers one more year. Heupul needs to go this off-season and so does Kish.

  • Won says:

    Thank you Jordan.
    BOOMER!

  • CrimsonGhost says:

    Anyone know if Chizik is interested in getting back in defensive coaching?

  • Cedarsooner says:

    I agree totally Jordan. BStoops likes to remind everyone of his past success and that’s fine but he forgets he has already been paid for those successes and he is not earning his paycheck at all right now. He’s giving us 2M worth of coaching and is getting paid 5.5Mil.

  • RBear says:

    Thanks Jordan. And never apologize for your opinion, it’s obvious you’re a passionate fan that gives a rats butt about the state of the program.

  • Jesse Wall says:

    Thx jordan. Like your thought process, been saying that about heupel ever since Broyles was hurt and our offense completely disappeared. … josh has had plenty enough chances, I thought bob was one coach away from making all the needed moves a few years ago when he let heupel stay…

  • Big Higg says:

    Nailed it Jordan.

  • brainpimp says:

    Yes, yes, yes,yes, maybe, probably not.

    Totally agree with assessment.

    To those that say if we fire Stoops we automatically get Blake. I counter that if you raise the heat slow enough you can boil a frog. That is what has happened with Stoops.

    When people are stuck in a flooding river, they will hold on to a rock and drown rather than letting go and swimming to the bank.

    • Ed Cotter says:

      OU is a destination job, so OU will get plenty of interest from great coaches around the country. The Sooners will not revert back to the Blake and Schnellenberger days of the 90’s, should Bob leave or be let go. That is silly talk.

      • Daddy R says:

        With the other hires throughout the OU sports world, I would totally trust Joe C. One hell of an AD there.

        • Kyle says:

          I’d trust Joe C. but I’m not really impressed by the candidates of the destination jobs that are out there this year already.

          I’m not sure there is a quick – fix coach out there.

      • Herman Bubbert says:

        Jordan couldn’t be more right about the Blake argument. To paraphrase the current, uh, leader, “I think we can find someone to win eight games for less than $5 million a year.:”

  • Ed Cotter says:

    Changes need to be made……And I have been a staunch supporter of the coaching staff the entire year. I agree with what Jordan has posted, except Boulware. Shepard never should have even been considered for the PR job since there was trepidation about him getting injured even in the pre-season when he was so important in as a WR. It was not his decision to punt to Hill, it was Bob’s. There definitely has to be a shake up in the coaching staff, as it is very obvious that some of the coaches are not coaching or recruiting effectively. The coaches expect the best from their players, but the players should also expect the best from their coaches. We can see that they aren’t getting it from some of them.

  • Eric Hutton says:

    Heupal Norvell and Kish need to go for sure.

  • Cary Newman says:

    Jordan

    Dead on point. It’s ironic that you can go to a free site to get analysis that other “pay” sites are afraid to wander.

  • James D-Space says:

    Agree on all counts. I feel your pain!
    All I know, in our world and in our jobs, being average gets your ass fired.

    • paganpink says:

      AND WORST, FAILING, WHEN YOU WERE GIVEN ALL THE TOOLS, ALL THE PEOPLE AND ALL THE MONEY YOU REQUESTED IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL- AND YOU STILL FAILED?! BY DOING SO THEY TOOK YOUR EXCUSES AWAY. YOU MUST NOW QUIT, YOU HAVE SHOWN YOURSELF TO BE INCOMPETENT.

  • Greg sparks says:

    Would’ve been easier just to say who to keep.

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    I’m not quite on the “fire Bob Stoops” bandwagon yet. Don’t think it’s fair to compare him to Mack Brown (we’d need a couple more seasons of “disappointments” to be in that situation).

    But I agree Mike Stoops, Heupel, Bobby Jack Wright, and Tim Kish should be replaced. Would love to see Chip Viney take BJW’s position.

  • Wilson says:

    JH and Kish for sure. Even if JH is demoted to QB coach, Kish has to go.

  • Chris White says:

    I don’t think Bob will/should be fired but the administration needs to get him off his throne a little bit. Don’t give him ridiculous raises and make it clear, you’re on the hot seat. We definitely need to let go of Josh Heupel, he will get a job, and like Bob, maybe being fired would knock some sense into him. Tim Kish, been saying that since day one. Bobby Jack Wright, I knew was a mistake when we decided to move him to DB and THATS when our corners began to decline. We need some younger enthusiastic (Ala Montgomery) coaches to take the DB coach (don’t let Mike coach safeties if we don’t fire him, like Heupel, his position group has declined because of added responsibility of being a coordinator) and the LB coach. All we can do is hope for one more win and a wave of good news. We need serious commits, serious firing/hiring, and serious returns from Juniors and transfers (DGB, Mayfield). Love my Sooners and that’s why we all take this so seriously

  • Greg sparks says:

    I’d keep mike our dbs were very young, hell the sr we had couldn’t cover his own mouth. I think it all comes down to player evaluation and team makeup ie recruit less WR and more cbs. But ya kish, heupel for sure

  • SoonerCindy says:

    Jordan I followed you here and I am very grateful for that. The information on this site is top notch. However, although I respect your opinions I disagree. It seems from your post that I read you don’t respect others opinions if they aren’t inline with yours. After I read that I quit reading.

    • SoonerGoneEast says:

      Nothing could be further from the truth. Maybe you should read the whole post before drawing your conclusions.

      • SoonerCindy says:

        I did go back and read it because I don’t care for ignorance, I read it all so I would not be. Still have the same conclusion. I do NOT appreciate the attitude that if I don’t believe the coaches need to be fired then I make him sick. That is what Jordan wrote. I am entitled to my opinion as well. Just as we don’t want Jordan bashed for his, I don’t want to be bashed for mine.

        • boomersooner says:

          2 vent threads in 2 days. awesome. we’re almost landthieves

          • paganpink says:

            hah! Just like in Gladiator when he asks him about dying; “Yes, but not today, my friend, no, not today”

          • ND52 says:

            “We”? No you’re pretty much in the minority on here @disqus_BeW3hegp9d:disqus

            Thankfully.

          • boomersooner says:

            Yep. POS’s seem to run rampant around these parts glad to be different from that

          • ND52 says:

            Yup. Everyone with a different opinion than you is a “POS” indeed…………………..:-/

          • boomersooner says:

            not at all. just you and a few others. “tear it all down” is the zombie pessimists motto

          • ND52 says:

            Lol! One person says “tear it all down” and off_you_go! Engage the sunshine pump and activate the smugness! Full speed ahead and damn the obvious!

            “Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee……………………!”

          • boomersooner says:

            wow. you really feel like you have your finger on the pulse of everything sooner football, don’t you? EVERYBODY is saying tear it down, hoss, sans me and eastex and maybe one or two others. changes? yes. how big? i don’t know because i’m not gonna pretend to be john madden. there’s been 2 bitching, whining, moaning, complaining, crying threads the past 2 days. do you not see them? they’re plain as day. go to the football brainiacs home page and you will see a post game rant thread and past excusing present thread. and when people disagree with me, its a full meltdown tear it down, let’s fire everybody and when i disagree with someone i wear crimson glasses and have my head in the sand and pump sunshine….but i’m the smug one. you, sir, are a POS and i am done arguing with you about anything and everything. avoid me. and i’m sure you will get the last word because its so damn important to you. enjoy your life, i’m sure its fulfilling

          • ND52 says:

            You need help.

    • Sooner_Ace says:

      Cindy, been around here for awhile, but I have never seen JE disrespect others opinions, quite the contrary actually. And I have disagreed with him in the past and the dialogue was respectful always. In this case, I do agree with him. Just my 2 cents

  • F1at1ined says:

    I thought Stoops said our punter kicked to the wrong side of the field. Hard to blame Boulware for our idiotic punter failing on his biggest punt of his entire OU career. Can’t wait til he is gone. Before that Hill return, our PR unit had conceded 81 total PR yards. That suggests to me his coverage unit is pretty solid.

  • Kyle says:

    Someone who recaptured it was the King himself. Someone was not around during the “Bury Barry” days. Not saying it will happen but you don’t even have to search outside the program to find one.

  • hushnpa says:

    Hadn’t really thought about Norvel needing to go till now .. so thinking about it some more I realize that only once in the last few years have we had more than one , demonstrably , really good receiver on the field – last year – and Three of them were transfers from other schools !

    Saunders , Bester and Brown largely trained by other people 🙁

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    I know the Sooners have had worse seasons, but I cannot think of one that has been more painful for myself. It really kills me to see my Sooners decline so much and know that, more than likely, we’ll have to wait another 2 or 3 seasons before we see the changes made that need to be made. After the TCU loss, I was pretty hurt. After KSU, I was devastated. After Baylor, apathetic. After this? I don’t even know.

    It’s almost like I’ve been a part of this seemingly great marriage for the last 15 years…kids, house in the suburbs, all that, and now, I’m starting to find out that my spouse has a second family in Sacramento that they’ve been maintaining on their “business trips”. My life (and I spent a ton of my time keeping up with OU football…probably around 85% of my free time) is a sham and I had no back up plan…

    How could you, Bob???

    • blaster1371 says:

      If i were in the same room i would give you a man hug. I am right there with you bro’. I feel like someone just held my shoulders and kneed me in the sack again and again until there was nothing left to hurt. I never drank the kool aid for this season as others did. I was not on the Knight band wagon. The defense that played Alabama came up with some big plays but still got smoked for 600 yards. The only season that was worse than this was Jones’s junior year when OU came in preseason #1 and ESPN had a little mini series on OU camp (2011?).

      • tfb_fortyseven says:

        We finished 10-3 in 2011, lost to TT in Lubbock. who was 5-7 that year. It was also the year OSU beat us in Stillwater 44-10. Those are terrible losses, but the worst year of Stoopsie’s tenure is 2009 where we finished 8-5, started the season ranked #3 but finished unranked. The record shows that Bob does not do well when his preseason ranking is in the top 5, … kinda like a curse. It’s like he cannot handle all the expectations of being the favorite or somethin’.

      • ToatsMcGoats says:

        Thanks, sir. I guess I’ve learned my lesson. At least I hope so…

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      2000-2004 were Bob’s best years at this school: 13-0, 11-2, 12-2, 12-2, 12-1. Since 2005 things have become unpredictable: 8-4, 11-3, 11-3, 12-2, 8-5, 12-2, 10-3, 10-3, 11-2, 9-4?. Early on, he had amazing wins sprinkled with some serious WTF? losses. Now, it seems his performance is inversely proportional to preseason expectations. So, after years of having my high expectations dashed against the rocks, I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t expect anything from Bob anymore. It’s just too stressful otherwise. I think the word you’re looking for is ‘numb’ … it is certainly where I am with OU football these days.

      • ToatsMcGoats says:

        I believe that you are correct. Numb. I guess I’ll have to take your advice and just be a skeptic from now on in order to avoid having my hopes dashed as well.

  • Pokerman says:

    Jay Norvell. I just don’t get anybody’s confidence in him. Who has he really recruited and developed out of HS? Nobody but OU kids or legacies. All the other decent ones were transfers or JC players with limited eligibility. Look at our wide receivers now. They are pretty good a blocking but their route-running is pathetic. They can’t get off press coverage and are never running free like everybody does against our D. I just think Norvell is a liability and needs to move on.

  • BoomerDave says:

    Jordan, so after sleeping on it, have you reconsidered your post last night that Bob himself needs to go?

  • Hotrod33 says:

    Whatever he done in the past shouldn’t excuse for what he needs to do in the immediate future. Like Jordan said, changes need to be made. I’m all for changes and hope they do occur. It is hard to see this team play this year and with no identity and too predictable at times during the season. The last possession before the punt return, I was saying to my friend we need to fake inside and go outside with option to Ross or Ford. The defense was stacked inside for all three because they knew what we were going to do. I agree for the most part but Boulware should be safe in that department for now. He did a really good job with ST and you can’t blame him for the missed tackles or missed kicks, that is on the players. We have 22 days til the last game and we will see what happens in that bowl game. IMO, don’t see much change in the game plan and you would think we should.

  • Kyle says:

    I somewhat agree. At this point I wouldn’t be upset (other than nostalgia) if Stoops moved on to Michigan or elsewhere.

    I agree on Heupel’s play calling. It’s never been quite right. He tends to play to a defenses strength rather than exploit a weakness (example: Texas 2013. They were terrible against the run but that was not our game plan). He probably needs to go since I doubt he would accept a demotion.

    Kish needs to go, I’m not sure what he excels in but it doesn’t seem like much to put it frankly. M. Stoops needs help, he had a co- coordinator back in the day, try that again with an outside hire. Wright should move into an admin role to get new blood in there.

    The drop off coincides with a lack of potential head coaches on the staff. They’re complacent and happy with job security since none are considered head coaching material. At the beginning of the Stoops tenure the staff was filled with future head coaches that were out to prove it and get a head job. Now, not so much.

  • pawneesooner says:

    Maybe the trend of recruiting nationally instead of recruiting the Texas/Oklahoma kids which made this program great had an effect on our play the last several years? Some say the talent level was down in Oklahoma the last few years. Can’t measure heart and Oklahoma kids will fight for Oklahoma.

  • Kevin Fielder says:

    Jordan….I have a question also that has been bugging me for the second half of the season. There was rumbling a couple of weeks ago from former D-linemen that our technique was horrid and that are linemen weren’t being prepared for the NFL because of it. It seems to me (I’m no expert ) that our D-Line sits on their haunches and stand straight up on almost every play. (Showing their numbers….according to some). When I watched the top 4 teams, their linemen were in three or four point stances with their weight on their hands, firing out for gap coverage. Am I all wet or is this an issue that is a coaching philosophy? I would think our pas rush would be impacted by this technique as well.

    • blaster1371 says:

      I know you addressed this to Jordan but if I may I would like to comment. That rumble either started with or was heightened by Gerald McCoy saying a few months back that he didn’t learn technique until he went pro. That would be Shipp’s tour and I find that hard to believe. Your observations are correct in stances. Tapper has a terrible stance. Chuka is really good. Phillips would be a beast if he learned how to play football instead of just trying to overpower smaller players. I know I seem to contradict myself but i think in practice things look good and its “ok coach, I got it”. When its live fire and in the game they lose technique. I think that is true for the secondary too.

  • kcsoonerfan says:

    Seems if Heupel, M Stoops, Norvell or any coaches were highly regarded in college football circles they would be head coaches someplace. At best we have had rumors of interviews that amounted to nothing, there hasn’t been anything serious I can remember. Granted Mike Stoops was a HC but that ended badly.
    Good programs stay cutting edge, they find ways to move beyond the competition. TCU and Baylor have figured out how to beat OU. Sadly Texas may have a coach that has OU’s number as soon as next year. I don’t see OU making changes to counter any of these programs.

  • Phil Counts says:

    If these are indeed the one’s you replace, who do you go after to replace them.

  • SoonerGoneEast says:

    Jordan, it pains me to say this, but you’re just another hater.

    You hate dysfunction. You hate missed opportunities. You hate mindguards. You hate complacency. You hate nepotism. You’re going to hate what you’re told at noon on Monday. You hate laziness. You hate mediocrity. You hate being pissed on and told its raining. You hate embarrassment. You hate the microcosmic and macrocosmic condition that is three straight pass plays in overtime. You hate underachieving. You hate groupthink. You hate arrogance. You hate all of your linebackers standing in the middle of the field taking up space. You hate smoke being blown up your ass. You hate apathy. You hate confirmation bias. You hate playing seven yards off. You hate our plunge into mediocrity. You hate the flawed, malfunctional environment that allows all of this to exist harmoniously and without repercussion.

    Like I said, you’re just a hater.

  • Randy White says:

    I have to say I’m a little disappointed in your post. You spent a lot of time and energy identifying the problem without offering any solution. Identifying who you think needs to be fired is part of defining the problem. As I always told my employees, don’t come to me with problems without solutions. So, what’s your solution? Identify the new staff and their responsibilities.

    • Billy says:

      That’s something that takes many weeks, or months to come up. I agree with you if these things never happen, but I think it is not uncommon to fire staff without having a replacement thought out.

      • Randy White says:

        I agree if Bob actually replaces any of his staff he might not have an immediate replacement in mind. Jordon though, posted as if these firings take place our answers will be resolved and I’m saying by whom. Who does he want hired that’s going to do a better job or is he just venting. As I said, if there’s a problem give me a solution.

        • Billy says:

          Maybe he will later, or when/if they actually happen.

        • blaster1371 says:

          There is no immediate need to offer a solution. I would bet Stoops fired Shipp, Patton and that OT coach without a “deal” in hand with another coach. Programs don’t fire staff only when they have a new staff in the wings. In fact, I have never heard of that scenario except in the case of the “coach in waiting” set up like with Jimbo Fisher. Brown and staff canned= coach search. Pelini canned= coach search. Musschump canned= coach search. Kifflin canned= coach search and so on.

        • BoomerDave says:

          Any coach worth a damn always has a list in his head of people he would love to hire if someone leaves he staff or gets fired. Bob gas said as much.

    • Jared William Reininger says:

      I think we are at the problem stage. I understand trying to find solutions, but we are still pretty much in season. We have no idea who we could realistically hire. I mean I would say grab up muschamp or Kirby Smart, but the chances of us getting either of those is probably slim right now.

      The thing is, almost every Sooner fan agrees, the staff needs a BIG change. Stoops isn’t going anywhere. Jordan did make some good points but I still don’t want Bob gone and I will admit that but I will say there have been some boneheaded mistakes. Heupel’s hire was a huge red flag to me. If he had gone and been anything other than a QB coach, I would be okay with it, but he has no welcome left. I have never seen an OC called out by announcers so many times in a season or career for that matter. 10 in the box? lets run up the middle…..DERP.

      Mike has more room in my opinion cause he has been a DC and made some badass defenses, but that was years ago and the Big 12 is nothing like that anymore. So he doesn’t have much left. Kish can’t recruit….period. And while we have some fast and athletic linebackers, they aren’t physical enough.

      Look I am just restating what Jordan said, but the fact is, until some coaches are told goodbye to, which could be soon, they can’t say who they CAN or WANT to go get to replace them.

    • BleedCrimson says:

      True to a point. I have never asked an employee to bring me someone to hire to replace someone that is not performing… 🙂

  • Billy says:

    I am not sure how you plucked all of my thoughts out of my brain and put it in text, but you did a heck of a good job doing it.

  • Mizuno44 says:

    I wish I could get paid for past sales and memories of successful business wins of yesteryear. Your assessment hits about every angle of the program, doubtful everything would be on the table. It’s clear the entire program needs to be reviewed, and reality must be the first order of business. Until then, and only then, will true, meaningful change be effective. It should be treated like situations in the corporate world, they hire third party, outside consultants to analyze and report the flaws that are preventing higher profits and growth. In this case, the staff would need to determine who they respect enough to give them a harsh dose of reality. This will probably get worse before it gets better, but usually the case when you’re humble enough to admit there’s a problem.

  • Billy says:

    Quote by Jurgen Klinsmann of USA soccer seems applicable here:

    “Kobe Bryant, for example — why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?”

  • Peddle80 says:

    I’ve been thinking about it and maybe OU doesn’t do well when Democratic Presidents are in Office? LBJ/Kennedy, Clinton and now Obama. All of them were subpar to bad years for OU. Hmmm?

    😉

  • Cory Reedy says:

    Jordan, I agree. I appreciate everything Bob has done for The University of Oklahoma, but 15 years is a long time at one school. OU needs a fresh regime and Bob needs a fresh start. Theres no doubt the guy can coach.

  • Jay Bigboy says:

    I know this sounds awful to say but I think our solution is to go get a coach who has his roots from Texas. Texans stick to their own first and have a greater respect. I’m not sure who he might be, but OU has to recruit Texas well and win some of thos battles against UT, Baylor, A&M, and now TCU.

    • Peddle80 says:

      Just looking at how Briles high school roots in TX have paid off, that sure would be nice to have.

  • sooner_n_la says:

    See if you can get Mike to go for an open position somewhere else – even an FCS job. There’s a pretty good defensive coordinator that just got let go after a stint as the head coach of Nebraska. It would be nice to see Heup replaced in the booth with someone more creative and aware of the talent we have on the field – dump Norvell; let Heup retain the title (and paycheck) of co-OC, but put him back on the sideline with the clear direction of developing the quarterbacks. Don’t make the other changes until you have the new DC and co-OC in place – and let them help bring in new blood that BS may not be as familiar with.

  • Peddle80 says:

    Perhaps we could consult Leach on the condition of Stoops inner pirate?

  • Jay Bigboy says:

    Is anyone else hearing the unsubstantiated rumor Stoops and Constigilone to Michigan as a package deal?

  • Sooner Ray says:

    Jordan, you can pack sand that requires a pressure washer to flush. 🙂 And I can’t fault you for how you feel.

  • Zack says:

    I don’t think there will be an immediate replacements by way of firing. Stoops is probably suggesting certain guys go (mike and josh) whereas he may fire kish and tell bjw he has a new assignment as a recruiting director or something. This late into a recruiting process is too late to make drastic changes unless you are bringing in a known commodity that the recruits can buy into.

    I would disagree about boulware. I don’t think he has as much control over special teams as we think. I believe it’s stoops call who is back there on returns. And I have no clue about Barnett, he’s had a bad season and obviously hunnicut is no longer moneycut which I think no one can control besides hunnicut.

    I think josh and mike will be here next year. But my main concern is going back to a 4 man front and possibly steal someone off tcu’s staff and run a 4-2.

  • ccccsdad says:

    Yeah, Coach Stoops always says “I don’t put much stock in what you did in the past, it’s all about now and how you play” then he turns around and starts giving his resume to defend the absolutely horrible jobs he’s doing now. For him to say anything other than ” punting the ball again was a stupid thing to do and I should have never done it” is moronic at best. Not that it’s our only problem. We have a horrible defense and two horrible coordinators. Our recruiting has gone in the toilet and we have a head coach who thinks he doesn’t need to change anything because he doesn’t think he’s doing anything wrong.

    • Herman Bubbert says:

      I’m angrier about his attempt to deflect responsibility for the second punt than I am the second punt itself, which is saying something. That is textbook atrocious leadership that is fooling no one with a brain.

  • ccccsdad says:

    If he’s not willing to cut bait and make changes, then he needs to go.

  • Jay Bigboy says:

    The Sugar Bowl win reminds me of George Foreman winning the title against Moorer. OU had one last night of glory but the writing was on the wall. Stoops has been great for the program but leave with grace instead of disgrace.

    • blaster1371 says:

      I am starting to think the Bama excuse was valid. Heck, I’ve seen enough Fiesta Bowl fiascos and the first Orange Bowl against Holtz’s Razorbacks to know that a team can just show up but not have any fight or preparation.

  • blaster1371 says:

    I thought BJW was CB coach by name only and some guy named Viney was the real position coach. Why not one of those DB gurus we hear about from Super K? Norvell can hit the bricks tonight—ZERO Wr development the last few years. Saunders was a stud before he got to OU, Brown was established at PSU. By the way, who coached WR before Nrovell? And, what the heck does a co-OC even do? Monty gets another year but the D-line has not picked up much in his second year. Mike Stoops– see ya. Jordan or someone else nailed it when they said his press conferences just show how much he is at a loss. It can’t be all player execution- the plan now sucks and he went back on his statements about simplifying the defense; the confusion on the field says that much. Venebles set a high bar for LB coaching—kish gets clotheslined by that bar.

    • Travis Coyle says:

      Chip Viney is a GA coach at OU. He is from Fresno and has some connections in that area. I cannot say how much Viney or BJW teaches them or who should take the blame.

  • blaster1371 says:

    Ive got the solution! Replace the entire staff with the KSU Staff. They keep Snyder, we keep Stoops. It worked in 1999! Those guys play above themselves and seem coached up. Imagine what they could do with OU’s roster. Now, if OU still tanks then that pretty much isolates where the problem lies.

  • CTSooner says:

    Jordan I am not sure how you can ask for virtually the whole staff to go but not ask the same of Bob Stoops. The logic doesn’t work, the staff is in most part a reflection of the coach. So if you believe the level of incompetence is as high as you outlined in your missive, then I would say your only conclusion should have been calling for the firing of Bob Stoops.

    • Easton says:

      That’s where I am finding it hard to make a decision. I want to convince myself that new hires will change it.

      • Easton says:

        They won’t.

        • CTSooner says:

          Unless Bob is smart leader and willing to make changes with the the new hires. I think the complacent argument is probably the one the makes the most sense. I can’t believe the man forgot how to coach, he grew up in a coaching family and is from a strong coaching tree.

    • Jake says:

      I think Jordan wants B Stoops gone but knows that Boren will not fire him.
      So that changes Jordan suggests are the only thing he sees as a possibility.
      At least that’s what I took from it.

      • CTSooner says:

        Then as an opinion piece he should have had the balls to call for then. I think about my job. While it isn’t business – I mean would you have confidence in the CEO if he had to fire all his hand picked VPs?

        My personal opinion it will be incremental change if Stoops still really has the desire to win at OU, wholesale changes would undermine the program too much. I figure he brings in help for Mike, this will mean Mike stays but Kish and BJW is gone. He will ask JH to give up his Co-Off duties to focus on QB development, because I really believe TK is done at OU – I can see him saving face by either promoting the well liked Gundy to Co-Off as run game coordinator, or bringing in someone to do that job. Either JH takes the re-assignment or moves on. Norvell is the unknown, does he wear the title because he does anything or because Stoops wanted to put the CO on him because he didn’t have full trust in JH.

    • BoomerDave says:

      I believe last night in the post-game rant post, Jordan did basically call for Bob’s firing. He stated that we need to “clean house” to avoid a Bobby Bowden scenario. Not sure how he can say that he was talking about anyone else but Bob.

      • CTSooner says:

        He is hedging a bit because he realizes the changes won’t be wholesale but rather incremental.

  • ejtjr says:

    I think the number 1 issue with OU is recruiting. Look at the final 4, Bama and FSU have had the highest or top 5 classes the last 3-4 years. While the stars may not be always reliable, they appear to have a reasonable level of credibility when looking at the final four. Remember when we were getting two to three of top ten players in Texas. Now we get none or maybe one. That problem needs to be fixed but it will not be easy. Secondly MS was Bob’s biggest single mistake at OU. He seems to coach in a way that we have to adjust our D dramatically for every team except those that we can overpower. How about designing a D game plan that makes the other team adjust because of our schemes. If our recruiting does not iimprove significantly look for 2-4 losses a year because we will simply not be better than the other Top teams in the B12..This year I thought we were more talented than any teams other than TCU and BU. I would give us an = with those tow teams.

  • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

    What to think here?

    Winning at Oklahoma is a tradition. The tradition is bigger than Stoops. It’s bigger than any one of us fans. It was created long ago. If some whatever-named coach can’t uphold that tradition, then…

    The players are not to blame. Don’t blame them. Don’t blame them on their “execution.” Don’t blame them on their “We always pooch it right, he kicked it left.” Nah. Coach them to execute the play. No JD Runnels apologies.

    Execution is not an excuse after so many games.
    Coach: “They just didn’t execute the plays.”
    Us: “Right, but you lost another game.”
    Coach: “That’s the way football goes.”
    Us: “You mean for Oklahoma? There are other teams that don’t have the problem.”
    Coach: “…”

    This will seem as a non sequitur. It is and isn’t.

    Demand to win.
    If you can’t, then this job isn’t for you, bruh.

    • CTSooner says:

      My only problem with this line of thinking is that it doesn’t explain away the ’90s. Great Coaches, create great programs. Their is no mystic that carries a program. Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State, all the great programs are defined by great coaches.

      Yes a coaching could lead you back to the dark days of Blake, just ask Michigan.

      • Jared William Reininger says:

        The thing is, in the 90s, we had great coaches, or great recruiters, and never both at the same time. To be a top tier program, you need someone who is both. Stoops is starting to fail in both departments, I have faith he can turn it around, but I agree, his time is running out.

    • Jared William Reininger says:

      I agree with this. I respect JD a lot honestly, but I felt his personal relationships made him not so clear sighted on this. After Baylor last year when JH said “WE didn’t execute,” I was done. DONE. Already hated him, then I really hated him.

      I have seen games where you could say, our players weren’t inspired or didn’t want it, whatever, and then you can see games where the coaches couldn’t coach their way out of a paper bag…..we have had the latter the last few seasons. Not to mention it should be a coaches job to inspire his players when they don’t seem fired up. I see a pattern here…

  • Jeff Poole says:

    Well said, and eloquently at that… It’s alot of info to digest but can’t think of anything id disagree with. I appreciate your honesty and refusal to wear the blinders that some here go to bed with each night. Some might call it “whining”, i prefer to recognize the fact that you and some others, including myself refuse to rely on blind faith and unwarranted optimism. We are headed on a path that will lead to continued disappointment im afraid.

  • james babcock says:

    Jordan i agree with you 100 precent but as you said there are certain apologetics on this site like eas tex who all they do is praise golden boy bob stoop no matter how bad thing’s are.

    • Zack says:

      Wow calling him out by name. Not cool. I like Jordan’s vantage point on this. I know he’s seen as negative sometimes but I see jordan calling it what it is. I’ve seen a lot of fans on multiple sites dogging the whole team. For me stoops will get the benefit of the doubt until he does lay back to back eggs.

      • JJSoona says:

        Yup. Not cool.

      • james babcock says:

        That my come next year because i see 4 losses next year.you think thing’s are hot know if golden boy bob losses 4 games next year they might just back a uhall truck in his drive way.

        • boomersooner says:

          Has he lost 4 next yr yet? Didn’t think so. You and everybody that thinks they can see the future can save it, nobody’s buying

          • james babcock says:

            Been 15 year’s since golden boy bob has won a national championship tell me when do you think he is going to win it again in another 15 year’s.

          • boomersooner says:

            You’re changing the argument now hoss. You’re guaranteeing 4 losses next yr. I simply said you can’t see the future

        • Zack says:

          So what I want to know is all these “fans” who are saying ou will lose 4-7 games next year, if they will be happy with an 11-2 or 10-3 season. Because that would be better than expected, yet something tells me that’s not good enough.
          And those who say it’s championship or bust each year for ou, then ou must be the most disappointing team in America because they’ve let us down more than 100 times and only “did their job” 7 times.

          • james babcock says:

            Come on zack you are smart thing’s just aren’t going well for o.u going to take a lot to happen next year for this team to not lose 4 games.

          • Zack says:

            I don’t see 4 loses at this point. Every indication is that DGB will be here. I think that will open up this offense for us. Plus I expect shep to stay. Those 2 together could be the 2 best receivers in the nation. The running game will be better IMO because I don’t think it will take long for this oline to figure it out. Qb play should be better whether it’s knight or mayfield. Now are they championship level qbs? I haven’t seen a case to be made for either of them to lead us to a championship. That’s why I say 2 losses. I think the defense will be better. Lots of young guys out there they should learn a lot and we will see how well they play vs Clemson. If the defense dominates then that will be a good sign.

          • james babcock says:

            Zack after Saturday i don’t put anything past this coaching staff .worst call on the repunt in my 40 year’s of watching the sooners play can’t see how the coaching get’s better next year that is way i say 4 losses next year.

          • rphokc says:

            ……so, you are of adult age…….

          • boomersooner says:

            This is nailing it. This whole thread is just bitch fest 2.0 following yesterday’s dirty laundry. There’s about 10,000,000 times more pessimists in the world and it seems a large gathering have flocked here for the winter. A lot of people can’t be happy regardless of what life throws at em. Adversity… oh boy, look out…cats will be thrown and kids will be beaten

    • boomersooner says:

      You’re entitled to your opinion, he’s entitled to his. But burn it all down and start over is probly not gonna happen and last I checked no one here can see the future so how do they know that firing every single coach sans 2 is the way to go. And yeah not cool calling someone out by name

      • james babcock says:

        Okay you are right should’t have called him out i apologize to eas tex but i agree with jordan column once againt i am sorry if anybody was offended sorry eas tex.

        • boomersooner says:

          Cool. I call out the turd sandwich Stephen whatever his name is but he’s asking for it. When you’re here for 5 mins and all ya got is a dirty diaper, take it somewhere else

  • Soonerlaw6 says:

    I know we all want to blame Heupel, and while I have significant concerns about QB play, I do think it is interesting that he is the #3 highest scoring play caller in college football over the past 4 years. Curious if anyone was aware of that. I wasn’t. http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Chart-BaylorKansas-State-a-matchup-of-top-playcallers

    • KellyB says:

      Kingbury is 2nd.

    • Super Keith says:

      About half way through the year, when the “Fire Heupel” stuff started, I went back and rewatched every game. From that point on, I rewatched every game (a couple of days after we played, focusing on the offense and the situations). What I discovered was that the play calling wasn’t really bad. There were some bad calls here and there, but with the exception of the Baylor game, just about every game was called well.

      Heupel’s game calling isn’t the issue. What I worry about is his QB development. That seems to be really lacking.

      • Zack says:

        I agree I’ve seen lots of things from heupel that are positive. But he is inconsistent and I believe he does a great job of focusing on “key” drives like the start of the game or the first drive after halftime. But he often doesn’t have enough clubs in the bag. It’s like he’s got everything he needs except a short game and he doesn’t scramble well.

      • SoonerSpock says:

        It is not scoring points that is my concern with Heupel. It is Kevin Wilson used to say. “You need to be able to run the ball when you need to run the ball and you need to be able to pass the ball when you need to pass the ball”

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      Ahem. Co-offensive play-caller, coordinator person…

    • RBear says:

      Interesting but the only stat I’m interested in is W-L

    • Billy says:

      He calls some great games and some terrible games. Sometimes it seems that we get points despite his play calling. It’s the consistency that is the main issue here.

    • paganpink says:

      Is it because of him- or in spite of him- these last two years, though?

      • RW Buttler says:

        No trust in the QB, and could you blame him. Whatever he does he will be criticized. In OT, they stacked the box so you have to pass. The guys just can’t execute,Neal dropping passes, CT inaccurate.

        • Soonerlaw6 says:

          Yup. I agree that CT needs a lot of work but bad receivers make him look even worse than he is in my opinion. No one getting any separation, receivers running wrong routes, dropped passes.

    • Indy_sooner says:

      Its not really the # of points, but the decision making that baffles me.
      I cannot count how many times we have abandoned our bread and butter running game when the going got tough. If anything, if you are going to ask your QB to play, make the plays simple or at least allow him to run the ball. We saw no zone read (which CT is actually very good at), no jet sweeps to Ross/ Quick (which were torching OSU early) and no bubble screens to Ford. It’s like the plays were all scripted and once he played them, they were done. His solution? 3X passing into tight coverage.
      I do agree that Mike has a lot to do with this cluster. If you score 30+ points, you should be able to win a game.

  • Super Keith says:

    Everyone’s disappointed right now, and venting that frustration helps. But, I disagree with much of what Jordan said here. By his estimate, we need to get rid of everyone but Montgomery and Bedenbaugh.

    I’m not naive enough to think change isn’t in order, and I completely agree with his assessment of Mike Stoops (especially his reaction in post game press conferences). He just seems lost.

    At the very least, he needs help running the 3-4. I also agree with the assessment of Kish. I wanted to believe he was a great coach, but it doesn’t show. That would be a good place to start.

    I don’t agree with the assessment of Heupel. I know many people are on that bandwagon, but if you go back through the year, you’ll see that the play calling wasn’t nearly as bad as so many want to believe. However, his job is also QB development, and the fact that we have a QB backing up the starter, that isn’t able to throw accurate down field passes is completely on Heupel.

    I’ve followed recruiting since long before the internet services were around, and I’ve followed OU recruiting extremely closely for decades. We aren’t knocking it out of the park each year, but we are getting guys that can win. I don’t agree that we’re “in trouble” in recruiting, but I would agree that we need to do better.

    Remember the saying “Nothing is ever as good or bad as it seems”. There’s no way that Bob doesn’t realize things are amiss. This was the most disappointing season he’s had since he got to Norman. He’s sees what’s going on, and he also sees the things we don’t.

    Changes are in order. No question. But as disappointing as this season was, we don’t need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Not yet anyway.

    • Soonerlaw6 says:

      Yep. Agree 100%.

    • SoonerOracle737 says:

      I’m in the SK camp. Things aren’t as bad as they seem nor as good as they seem. The world is a complex place where many things have to work together to achieve great things. It is much more difficult than we might think. But yes, changes are needed. How much? Only Bob knows for sure.

      • JB says:

        Sometimes things are that bad. This isn’t based on the results of 1 game. This is based on the entire year and several years before that.

        • tfb_fortyseven says:

          I know you know this, but more than ‘several years before that’ dude. Bob has shown the propensity for these seasons since 2005, so the current situation is no surprise. He is definitely not worth the money he is being paid. Wouldn’t it be awesome if the backup QB could do just as well as the starter? I know you know this too: We should not expect that. Then why does tOSU’s 3rd stringer come off the bench and kick the ever lovin’ crap outta Wisconsin in their conference championship?? I wonder how much Urban is being paid ‘cuz it sure seems like he is worth every penny tOSU is paying him.

  • KellyB says:

    Thank you Jordan for putting it out there. I believe our 2 biggest challenges are a lack of ingenuity and a loss of intimidation. Teams used to be afraid to play us, but I believe that luster has faded. Who is now the most feared team in the Big 12? Baylor? Furthermore, our schemes seem to have simplified whereas other dominating teams (Oregon, TCU, Ohio State) are building systems that are difficult to defend.

    Will be interesting to see if anything changes and where we go from here. Still a loyal Sooner fan and an OU graduate.

  • ccmosaic says:

    Spot on article. Thank you for a clear picture and possible cure. It really is sad to think that our storied program is the joke of D1 football. I am sad that stoops has seemed to lost his magic but, that is exactly what has happened.

  • Rene Goupillaud says:

    Ok, I’ll bite. Really well thought out and articulated thoughts. Clearly, like most of us, you’ve been bleeding Crimson going on over a day now.

    I’ve met Bob and like him. I appreciate everything he’s done for OU and the players. He’s led us through a rapidly changing world for college football. He’s been a great representative for OU and a great heir to the mantle of Head Ball Coach at OU. He’s helped Castigleone and Boren pursue their goals for the University. You just don’t treat a guy who has done that poorly.

    But we must be realistic. Head Ball Coach at OU is one of the toughest jobs among the top 10 college football programs. Norman isn’t L.A. or Miami, OU isn’t the State University of Texas. Unlike Alabama, OU isn’t surrounded by Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and the Carolinas. Success at OU requires great, innovative coaching. Bud had it. Barry had it. Bob had it. Now, Bob’s done it as long as Bud and Barry and that’s a long time to hold a tough job. It remains to be seen if he still has the fire. Boren and Castigleone should have a heart to heart talk with Bob about this.

    As for Heupel and Mike, no such consideration applies. The report card is in on Josh’s development and performance – it isn’t pretty. I suspect that for Mike, 6 ½ years as a HC was too much time away from the travails of a coordinator. Since 2002, OU’s coverage schemes have been problematic. The deep ball has been a challenge every year since then. How many times have we heard them say they need to simplify the system or the players are thinking to much? Too often. Other teams try to take away what we do well and make us beat them with our weakness. We try to confuse the opponent and they beat us despite it.

    I want to go back to fundamentally sound football. I want us to concentrate on the basics, speed, physicality, proper technique and execution. Reduce the coach’s involvement. Prepare them to play and then let them play. No more changing the play call from the press box. No more substituting defenders on every play ( we run more going to and fro than we do in actual plays.)

    I want to see some positive emotions I know it isn’t natural for Bob to be that way during a game, but it would be nice if he tried.

    Success requires a Qb who can throw effectively. Lord knows how many yards Perine would have had if defenses respected the pass. We’ve become one dimensional and opponents know it. We were beaten by a true freshman playing his second game, why can’t Josh have a redshirt freshman ready. Why can’t we throw the ball downfield effectively. All of this makes me reluctant to critique Norvell and the receivers. Same with Boulware.

    BJW has been a great asset, but it’s time to quit coaching. We need a secondary coach badly. If Mike stays, we must hire a good one and give him the responsibility for the scheme and personnel. Mike must be hands off.

    There are lots of opportunities for kids who sign with OU. We should have a Qb committed already. We should have one or two linebackers committed already. We should, but don’t. How can this be acceptable.

    As I said at the beginning, we’re all bleeding Crimson. I don’t want a knee jerk reaction, but I do think we can do better than we’re doing now. It won’t get better without some change.

    • JJSoona says:

      Well thought reply dude. +100

    • SoonerFan11 says:

      Solid post.

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      In reference to 2002: I’m assuming you’re referring to the whooping we got that year in Stillwater? The deep middle was open all day long, and Mike was our secondary coach then. Les exploited that like a master surgeon. Jason White (I think, but maybe Hybl?) was our QB, and we were ranked #3 at the time. OSU lost to the powerhouse Louisiana Tech that year and finished 8-5.

  • Shelby is a Patriot says:

    I don’t have any ideas. I’m just gonna sit back and trust the Sooners will get back to where they should be…eventually.

  • Sooner_Ace says:

    One word JE…SECONDED!

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Best post ever

  • OUknowwhatitis says:

    Very true post..ive never been of the “fire Bob” club ..which is not going to happen but Castiglione is going to have to call him in and have a serious heart to heart it seems like BS has become complacent all of his interviews he never takes Blame for the calls made and he never holds anyone accountable ..Mike Stoops seems to defer blame to players..never comes right out and says “I Called a bad game….or my scheme was not prepared” well maybe he did after WV 2012..but bottomline it is entirely too many questions about these teams..we have no solid QB…1 Known WR(Shephard) 2Rb’s.. On defense there is absolutely no Stud CB’s ..sorry but Sanchez is very average yeh he gets INT’s but teams dont fear going his way ..Wilson never shouldve been moved outside of the Slot..and MS coaching decisions are just plain BAD

    • paganpink says:

      To make it all worse when Bob Stoops came in to the program he was absolutely the opposite. Made no excuses. Fair but firm with himself and his coaches problems, all that good stuff. We all loved the guy for it! Now he’s just so defensive that it seems like he is out of touch, although surely some of it is him trying to be loyal to his staff, and he hopefully says something completely different after these HORRIBLE games are over! I know that he is super competitive to this day. Heck both he and his brother have developed little nervous tics on the sidelines so SOME of the fire seems to still be there, LOL! But his brother and Josh are just not getting it and are recruiting is really struggling as well.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Team – Off. Scoring Rank – Def. Scoring Rank

    Bama – 18 – 4
    Oregon – 3 – 29
    FSU – 29 – 30
    Ohio St. – 4 – 23

    OU – 11 – 48

    On defense, the difference between 48 and 23 is about 3.5 points per game.

    Shore up the D, and we’re in the mix. We had better scoring offenses than 2 teams in the Playoff. Our D only gave up an average of 3.5 more points per game, or less, than 3 teams in the Playoff. And we did that while playing in a tougher conference than 3 of the 4 teams that made the Playoffs.

    Perspective.

    • Zack says:

      Thanks for adding that. That’s the difference this year in winning 2 extra Games.

    • CTSooner says:

      Oddly enough the thing about Heupel is that we ask him to out score the opponent and get pissed when in actuality his offenses have averaged somewhere around 37 points per game. I don’t know about you but if I was to tell you a Stoops coached team was averaging 37 points a game I wouldn’t expect to be losing 3 or 4 games.

      I think as fans what gets us pissed is that in a moment of brilliance (where was the Jet sweep all year long with Ross) he seems to throw a brain fart. Personally, I saw maybe 6 or 7 tOSU games this year, and they ran what they ran. Tom Herman called plays out of the same set with the same concepts. To me it seems JH invents an offense for each game, one game the inverted diamond, one game a real zone read, another Power-I.

      Maybe that is why us old-times pine away for the wishbone. At least you knew when to hold your breath.

      • paganpink says:

        And the tight ends that even the coaches were proud of but were left to block every game and get a toss now and then! What a loss and a waste of Bell and as we saw, Ripkowski and Flowers! Why aren’t we using what talent we have to spread other defenses out, and stop being so predictable?

    • RW Buttler says:

      I agree. Fix the defense, that’s where the problem is. On offense we need an accurate QB, enough to respect the passing.

      I have faith in Stoops. He’s gotten us to NCG 4 times and I’m sure he’ll get us there again.

      We’ve got a damn good coach in Stoops.

      We beat Bama and got to the Sugar bowl last year with a patched up team – the coaches did one hell of job last year. How can you guys quickly forget that?

  • KellyB says:

    Here are the longest tenured CFB coaches still coaching:
    – Mark Richt (Georgia) – 14 years. Solid coach and man. Good teams but not championship-caliber. Last won SEC in 2005.
    – Gary Patterson (TCU) – 14 years. Always great defensively, but improved offense starting with Andy Dalton and now Boykin. Definitely peaking now.
    – Gary Pinkel (Missouri) – 14 years. Won the Big 12 North 3 times (2007, 2008, 2010) and the SEC East twice (2013, 2014) but lost all 5 championship games.
    – Kirk Ferentz (Iowa) – 16 years. Had a good run a few years ago but finished the last 5 seasons 8-5, 7-6, 4-8, 8-5 and 7-5. No longer a Big 10 contender. Signed a 10 yr agreement with a huge buyout clause.
    – Frank Beamer (Va Tech) – 28 years. 8 straight double-digit win seasons (2004-2011). Finished last year 7-6 and this year 8-5.

    Is this just a down year, or will Bob end up like Kirk Ferentz or Mark Richt?

  • JaysSooners says:

    Bottom line is, as the saying goes, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. Either the existing staff needs to overhaul its philosophy or changes need to be made because this isn’t working. Losses are going to happen sometimes but, good Lord, the cluelessness on that sideline is what burns me. I could go on and on but I’m trying to settle into apathy to protect my own sanity at this point. Very frustrating season. Terrible letdown.
    Hope the recruits see the opportunities at OU and don’t focus on the struggles or we are in for a long slow decline in quality of play. We don’t need all 5 stars. We just need to get back to the player development that we used to see on the field.

  • Exiled In Ohio says:

    I’m as frustrated as everyone else. But I’m just not sure where to put the blame, and frankly I’m a bit skeptical of anyone who thinks they know who or what is to blame. On one hand, I agree that the talent seems to have slipped in the past 6 years. On the other hand, I can very easily see this team going at least 11-1 if we had it to do over again. There’s an entire spectrum of possible reasons we find ourselves 8-4 and frustrated:

    1. Hard to recruit because not in a good media market.
    2. Good recruiting, but just bad luck on closing the deal the past few years.
    3. Good recruiting, but coaches lousy at closing the deal.
    4. Lousy talent evaluation during recruiting.
    5. Bringing in good kids, but not coaching them up.
    6. Developing good talent, but the offensive and defensive schemes aren’t putting
    kids in a good place.
    7. Lousy play calling on one or both sides of the ball.
    8. Bad chemistry on the team, either due to players or coaches.
    9. Every opponent brings their A game.
    10 The stinking ball isn’t round, and it just bounces funny sometimes!

    Who knows why we’re so frustrated? I don’t! But I’m one of those misguided few who actually believes that Bobby knows EXACTLY why the season unfolded like it did. I’m also stupid enough to believe that he has the knowledge and ability to fix it. I acknowledge that the circumstances (family relationships, just his energy level) may make it tough for him to do it. But IMHO he’s earned the right to be trusted. In his post-game, he said something like “yeah, I saw what went on out there.” I believe him. And I’m pulling for him to fix it.

    I doubt too many outside the “inner circle” really know what happened this season. My recommendation is that we hold off on the calls for “heads to roll” since we really only have a dim view of what really happened.

    Let’s quit the whining, and start feeling sorry for them Clemson DBs who are going to have themselves one miserable time tackling Perine!

    Boomer!

    • KellyB says:

      You’re right. We could easily be 11-1 had we not thrown a pick-6 at TCU, Hunnicutt didn’t miss 2 field goals & an XP against K-State, and we don’t blow the OSU game.

      • Exiled In Ohio says:

        Was punting to a track star with less than one minute smart? Of course not. But you wouldn’t expect to get bit by it more than 10% of the time. You wouldn’t expect Hunnicutt to miss a clutch field goal 10% of the time either. I don’t discount the problems this team showed, but the results could have been much better than 8-4. Soon to be 9-4.

      • RBear says:

        But we’re not.

      • Billy says:

        We got pretty lucky against UT and it’s nearly impossible to not get unlucky one game. Given that terrible logic, I think the team “deserves” 9 wins. However, you really only deserve the ones you win, so we are here at 8-4. Haha.

  • Sooner Ray says:

    The more I think about it, the more I think Bob lost the respect of some of the players when he was forced to take sides with Boren over the Shannon deal The team just hasn’t seemed inspired this season. I don’t think players had a problem with the Mixon decision but the Shannon situation burned some of their asses.

    • Shelby is a Patriot says:

      Didn’t like the Shannon decision, so I could see that.

      • james babcock says:

        Agree shannon got hosed by boren if they don’t let shannon back at o.u next year boren should be fired for lying to the court for saying he was only suspended gor one year.

    • blaster1371 says:

      I think you are on to something there. There seems to be some real disconnect between the players and the coaches.

      • paganpink says:

        Yes. We seem to have a problem in the locker room and Bob needs to fix it. The players we do have seem like they’re really good kids overall. Maybe they are just lacking leadership from the coaches

      • Shelby is a Patriot says:

        Thinking back to when Wilson was arguing with the Stoops bros. I know coaches and players bicker at times, but it is still never a good thing.

  • Boom says:

    Disappointing year to say the least and I’m over it, it’s in the books. That said, this is my perspective along with some points from K and Jordan.

    Bob will make the necessary adjustments. I have faith.
    Secondary – experience gained (hard on us) but will benefit us in Big 12 future
    LB – they will be bigger and only true JR’s. recruiting will work out & depth will be there.
    DL – I feel they will all stay, lot of depth and we will have a better scheme – Mike will have to change his philosophy
    OL – Tackles are iffy but I’m a Coach B believer
    TE’s – Doing well and will only get better. Issue is not them, lack of play calling in their direction
    WR – If DGB stays, we could go from worst to 1st. DGB, Quick, & Shep. not bad
    RB – check
    QB – Depth will be there, TK will be back and all QBs will improve under different leadership and scheme.

    • JB says:

      Question, Boom. You have faith Bob will make the right adjustments? Does that mean you believe he’ll actually fire his brother? Or Heupel?

      • boomersooner says:

        How do you know that’s what’s needed? The offense puts up point under huep. Mike just may need help. Some people are throwing ideas out there but some people seem to think they’re John Madden and they know exactly what’s missing

        • JB says:

          How do I know? It’s really simple: I HAVE EYES.

          Heupel has help with a co-coordinator. And offense is more than just scoring points, it’s knowing what plays to call and when. I could sit and talk about a cover 3 loaded zone, man-free coverage, combo man coverage if you want, but I’m using a phone & 1 finger to type this so I’m not going to do that.

          I consider TFB to be pretty darn knowledgeable guys and at least one agrees they need to go.

          • boomersooner says:

            oh ok, so you’re one of the madden types. cool. good to know. and i didn’t realize til now that you win games by when you call plays, not by scoring more points. good to know that as well. please, oh mighty football knowledge guru, enlighten us with your vast bounty of endless knowledge. as i said above, this is a zombie apocalypse of pessimists. is everything roses? negative. do we need to burn it down and fire everyone sans 2 coaches? negative

          • Greg sparks says:

            So you would keep the OC? I agree, I dont think we’re far off from being a one loss team. So no need for a dumpster fire, changes need to be made but the calling for 3/4 of the coaches is way over.

          • Krys Allen says:

            I agree with JB on one thing… offense isn’t JUST about scoring points. Sometimes you need to possess the ball to A) burn clock and B) move field position. One thing that has happened all year is that even though we score 30+ points (theoretically enough), we still have multiple 3 and outs. That just can’t happen, especially in critical parts of the game. 3rd and 4th quarter we have to at least get to mid field before a punt. If the defense actually does their job and forces a punt, the offense cant go throw 3 incomplete passes and just punt the ball back to the other team. That has killed us multiple times year.

    • SoonerCindy says:

      I agree Boom
      Looking back it sure makes sense now why the coaches did bring in DGB when they knew they would take some heat. They definY knew more than we did on what the team needed.

  • paganpink says:

    Jordan this is very close to what I and many others feel, as well. And as I posted earlier when mentioning that the OSU fans I was with were telling me we just don’t have the talent we used to have and I was still convinced we weren’t coaching them up and playing to our strengths when I realized, hey, maybe I’m wrong. We don’t have much going on the O line or the D line, quarterbacks are flat out terrible, defense would give up a first down on third and long to the Little Sisters of the Poor and we have no awareness of the clock, and seemingly, no discernible game plan! So It’s a whole lot of things that need fixing! I would start with MS and JH by making their talents available to the market, and have some serious team meetings. The players themselves aren’t happy- so we have problems in the locker room as well. I’m not ready to let BS go, but he has shown poor judgment in picking the assistant coaches lately after having a string of them who were good and moved on to head coaching jobs. But Bob knows as well as anyone that you’re only as good as your last season and things do change. He needs to change them some more- and soon! The wolves are even at his door, now.

    • RBear says:

      What I’m afraid he’ll do is just point at the trophy case and expect the masses to accept it, again. Hoping I’m wrong.

      • boomersooner says:

        I don’t understand the implication that those who wish not to burn it down entirely are the sheep. We seem to be the ones thinking for ourselves, not piling on with everyone else

        • Billy says:

          For starters, I’m not calling you a sheep. Haha. I think that some people might say that because your view follows the perceived narrative of those at the top. A sheep is herded by the sheep herder in charge. It doesn’t really relate to the popular narrative.

          • boomersooner says:

            i believe he would be called a shepherd. so y’all would be the blind leading the blind? the only thing i’m seeing is vent thread 2.0. i don’t see anyone with his finger on the pulse of exactly what’s needed to right the ship. i just see a zombie apocalypse full of pessimists

          • Exiled In Ohio says:

            It’s a zombie apocalypse! Well said!

          • Billy says:

            Blah blah blah. Didn’t say anything about my opinion in regard to yours. You’re welcome for the explanation by the way. Yes, a sheep herder is also known as a shepherd.

          • boomersooner says:

            Blah blah blah is the perfect retort, so yes thank you. And a sheep could also be someone who is told what to think, which is clear what some of the zombie pessimists fall under

          • Billy says:

            So here we sit. You believing that the others are sheep while they believe you are.

          • boomersooner says:

            I’m not the one following the crowd. I’ve got original thoughts. I don’t regurgitate everything I read in chat rooms and pass it off as my own

  • JB says:

    Jordan, that is the single best and most honest article I’ve seen any sports journalist write. Also, I’d swear you were psychic because every sentiment you expressed perfectly mirrors my own.

    I like Bob and always have. But he won’t fire his brother even though that is exactly what needs to take place. Therefore, the only conclusion I can reach is that Bob should move on and take another job. We won the ONLY national championship we will win under Bob.

    Knowing he won’t fire Mike, we are as far away from winning one as we could be. I expressed that sentiment a few weeks ago and was basically told I was wrong, I was an idiot, I didn’t know what I was talking about, etc. I predicted Boulware would be on the chopping block the other day and someone said they couldn’t take my post seriously when I said that.

    My statements from several weeks ago and days ago are starting to look pretty darn accurate.

    • JB says:

      Also, I don’t fear change. Losing Bob would not equate to a return to a Blake era. There are plenty of great coaches out there, and I’m sure Joe C will find a damn good replacement.

      • Jerry reid says:

        I’m sure art briles, and/or Gary Patterson would love 5 mil a year.

        • Billy says:

          I think they are real possibilities now that they didn’t get into the playoffs. I think they saw how the history of a program means something. Not saying we should get rid of Bob. Just a comment about if we were to.

      • JB says:

        Bob’s been given the keys to a Ferrari of a program, but it’s been performing like a Chevy cavalier.

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Wow a lot of upset sooner fans. As am I, my question is does anyone remember the Baylor half time moments of moments when Billy Sims shouted, This sh@% never happened when I was here. How much pressure does OU alumni place on Bob. I do not see former player’s happy at all.

    • red clay says:

      The big money donors need to “go nuclear” and not write any checks until specific issues are specifically addressed.

      *ahem* A full-time QB coach *ahem*
      *ahem* someone to watch the clock and the time outs *ahem*
      etc., etc.

  • Doobie74OU says:

    Well here we go again!!! And I’m talking about Jordan’s article because it is hard to argue with most of the points he made above. Changes need and have to happen. I’m not sure the 3-4 defense was or is the answer. Seems like we have the talent on the D-Line to go back to the 4-3 which these coachs at least understand better. Not only is the 3-4 defense only in its second year at OU it is also only the second year these coaches have tried to run it. By switching back to the 4-3 it would also eliminate a LB on the field and make it easier to restock that position. All this JMO!
    Jordon is also right about coaching changes. I have never seem more examples of coaching scared at OU in my life. I’m really not sure what the fear is from. After the first loss of the year I figured we would take some of the stops off but as Jordon also pointed out at the end of the year we were still breaking out new plays
    I don’t see Mike Stoops going anywhere, but Kish needs a change of address for his sack and for ours. BJW needs to move into the Admin office, great guy loyal to the program and termindous asset but not the secondary coach we need. Need young energetic types to fill these rolls and help recruiting even more just as the did with Montgomery.
    As for the OC or Co-OC jobs since I don’t believe they are going anywhere I would love to see them trade places and see if it helps at all. Let Norvell call plays and see if he has a fell for it at all. Heupul can come back down to the sidelines were he was starting to get a pretty good name as a QB coach. The only place I might disagree with Jordon is at Boulware. Special Teams have been pretty solid and Bell had a decent year of development as a TE. Not sure if he had a choice on the fair catching thing as that may have came from the HC. Either way I wouldn’t be opposed to giving him another chance.
    Also might slightly disagree about having a guy on campus that can run a passing heavy game plan. I think the QB battle between Knight and Mayfield next year may be pretty intrigueing. Also think we have some talent on the defense ccoming back. Alexander, Evans, Phillips, Walker & Bond all showed good signs of being playmakers, and Parker & Thomas were really stepping up at the end of the year. With Shepard, Neal, Perine, Ross, Ford, and Flowers we have a pretty decent set of skill players and I think Bedinbough will put a great line on the field every year.
    All in alll I would say I’m not happy , I’m not thrilled, I’m not satisfied, and I AM MOST DEFINATELY DISAPPOINTED but I will be routing for them in the bowl game and I will be reading every atricle I can about recruiting and I will hope for a better year next year.

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    Be honest you saw J Thomas at Cb with a week back peddle, turning his head back and putting himself in a bad position to cut with the WR. Is that Bob’s fault? Next, the LB’s are trying to play the read and be responsible for the TE heading upfield, how you would play that coverage? Is a dual responsibility bad coaching? If it is, you don’t know the game. We saw Striker play the option covering both the QB and the pitch at the same time. Why can’t the other D guys execute? Wilson always being beat on coverage. No pressure from Tapper, Phillips etc…Tell me why the O line couldn’t make holes to run out the clock instead of going three and out and forcing a punt? The KING said it’s players making plays. Or in our case not making them. What? Mike Stoops forgot how to coach Defense in the Pac 12? No offense, but you need a better argument to persuade me that it is the coaching. EXECUTION.

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      Coaches instruct the players on how to execute a play. A coverage. A technique.

      Coaches call the plays for the players to execute. Wrong play call. Bad outcome.

    • red clay says:

      for years we’ve heard this “its execution” excuse.
      When the HC first arrived after hiring and addressed the students, he said there would be “no excuses.”

  • Jared Tyra says:

    What a great memory for me your title image is! Good year of football, that was.

  • SoonerFan11 says:

    Giving me problems with no solutions. Please give me who you would like to replace those coaches. Agree with the staff changes except boulware (doesnt make crunch time decisions) plus special teams is much improved and mike (just dont see it)… sorry but too much youth at the skill positions is more likely to cause these issues/breakdowns than not…

  • Stephen Dale says:

    Couldn’t agree more, Jordan……….Yes, Stoops has had a nice run at OU but this program has been regressing since 2008 , particularly in recruiting and maintaining depth at all positions on the team…most teams have decent coaching but RECRUITING talent in volumes each year keep teams strong and playing for titles ( think Alabama each year). Stoops and staff could learn a thing or two from Nick saban. Problem is, Stoops is not as ‘driven’ as Saban to try to reach Saban’s level of accomplishments each season. BGB is more family-oriented and that is commendable ; however, his product on the field has suffered to the point or irrelevancy… to the point where 3-4 losses annually is the new ‘norm’ around Norman… Am I a spoiled fan ? Absolutely !!!! I want to see OU win 14 games every year—-not every 20 yrs….. Bob has lost much of his ‘fire’ since 1999 as he has aged. Maybe a younger staff with more’ fire’ in their tanks could resurrect a crumbling program and restore what we had in 2000. Am I calling for Stoops’s head ? NO………..I’d love to live long enough to see HIM rebuild the program but I question his resolve to do so.

  • LKS says:

    Sad. Sad we lost. Sad you wrote this article. I come to this site hoping to read positive news about how we can recruit and improve or solve problems. You are one bad apple, and you know what they say about bad apples. Articles like this one cannot help with recruiting. Offer up some positve suggestions without sounding like sour grapes and I am willing to continue to hang on this site. Otherwise, I have better things to do than read this crap.

    • red clay says:

      Show me a “good loser” and I’ll show you a loser.

      • Boom says:

        Nicklaus was the best golfer ever and he was a good loser. He showed class in winning and losing because he was a sportsman. Let this sink in.

        • tfb_fortyseven says:

          Let it also sink in that Jack kicked everyone’s butt and is arguably the best golfer to ever play the game … it’s easy to be a good loser when you ‘own’ everyone else because if you’re sane you know you’re not going to win them all. Bob has shown for quite a long time now that he is susceptible each season to teams that prepare for OU AND also have the athletes to compete. Bob is NOT the best coach to ever coach the game … he can build a program but I say he cannot take it to the next level … he will be Bob The Builder to me until he wins #8.

        • red clay says:

          I am in agreeance with you the Golden Bear is a blue-chip human being. Allow me to disagree with the topic choice, as in methinks we’re talking apples and oranges.
          A good sportsman, to me, is a different animal than a good loser.

          Good sportsmanship is basically good manners, line up and shake hands, say nice words even after you receive a beat down (instead of starting a fist fight after the final whistle.) The Golden Bear exemplifies good sportsmanship, as you correctly pointed out.

          A good loser, IMHO, is one who accepts a loss as just-how-it-is-gonna-be, an internal mental setting, then doesn’t correct the issue. One symptom would be to not correct chronic issues, among other things. Many commenters have discussed a number of chronic issues with OUr program – i.e. clock management; i.e. time-out management. These experienced coaches should have those elementary tactics down cold. I know they could fix those issues in a second. Will they?

          My comment was more for those fans complaining that fans are criticizing. We criticize some obvious chronic issues – and we’re all baffled why the coaches don’t correct some elementary things, clock management, etc.
          When OUr coaching staff is about the fifth-highest paid in the nation, criticism comes with the territory.

    • boomersooner says:

      I’m not to that point, but I fully understand. Seems this could have just been put as a comment in the bitching thread, but instead we get a 2nd bitching thread in 2 days and us “who have crimson colored glasses on” will be construed as idiots and the bad guys and whatnot while all the pessimists tell each other how important they are

    • ND52 says:

      Yeah @lks—–the losing on the field is secondary to articles like this when it comes to influencing blue-chip recruits.

      Unbelievable…………….

  • Daryl says:

    A question that I have and I don’t think any of us have answers. Is JH where he is more because of Bob or because of Boren? If it is Boren could there be a real funk amongst staff because they all know it and it has caused some division there? Not saying that is why the team is where it is but could it be a fairly big factor?

    2 more questions. 1 why were we not able to recruit well after that 2008 season. That was the year that we had 3 of top 4 picks. How is that not selling point?

    2. Is it possible that last year this team just cometely over achieved? If you think about it last years team we said could go 8-4 and that was with Saunders and Colvin on roster. This year you basically have same team with worse DB’s no Frank Shannon and no Saunders. Did any of us really believe this team was better than Alabama or they just played out of their minds? Maybe the hype fooled us all?

  • Indy_sooner says:

    I don’t think any of your sentiments are unique. All of us w/o crimson shades saw this a while ago.
    I am ambivalent on Boulware and think he needs 1 more year but why the hell we have our (irreplaceable) AA players Sanchez and Shep returning punts when we had Ross who has returned 2 this year.

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      For me, ” … a while ago”, goes back to 2003 when we got embarrassed by KSU in the Big12 championship game. Getting on my soap box now (not directed at you Indy): I’m surprised by all the folks on this board who have not seen this stuff coming for years. What’s happened this season is no different than 2009 or even 2005. Bob does not have the ability to make seasons like this not happen. We either accept that he is overpaid/underperforms or we demand change. I am in the latter camp, and I am very glad JE put out this post. Whatever camp you (or anyone else is in) fall into, the question of Bob’s performance needs to be addressed, and at the minimum, Bob is not performing to the level of pay he is receiving.

  • lovethemsooners says:

    Outstanding write up Jordan. I couldn’t agree more. I would love to copy and past this to the OUInsider board(sunshine pumper heaven) just to see how many “downvotes’ it would garner.

  • SoonerLin says:

    While I do agree that we need to see some major changes, we were three plays away from being a one loss team which is what’s really frustrating. TCU game- since when does an OU team get a turnover like that and not capitalize. K State- more than just the field goal went wrong but again, one play. OSU game- no excuse for the one play. Yes, it would be nice to dominate everybody and not need the one play to win but it’s not like we were that far off.

  • RW Buttler says:

    Some of the people that are asking Heupel to get canned are probably the same people who couldn’t wait for Wilson to be shown the door, so Heupel can take over.

    I trust this coaching staff, they are right there with about any CFB teams in the amount of players drafted in the NFL within the past 10 years. They didn’t forget how to coach or spot talent all of a sudden.

    It seems like the fans are quicker to give up on the team, than the team itself. You can’t even enjoy a win because it’s not good enough, it’s not video games. Sometimes luck has to be on your side, Torrence Marshall interception vs aTm.

    • SCKSChief says:

      All of what you’ve said has some truth. But eventually it’s time to move on. This is turning into a toxic situation and it has to change.

    • thebigdroot says:

      Was never a fan of Heupel moving to OC, too good at QB coach. Never complained about Wilson. Long on the other hand, sheesh I couldn’t wait for him to leave.

  • Roy C says:

    Stick a fork in Bob; he’s done

  • Bluegrass Sooner says:

    What frustrates me the most is seeing the perceived coaching style of not losing instead of winning be so prevalent for several years, then we saw Bedlam and the Sugar Bowl last year. I was so thrilled to see that attitude of aggressiveness above all else, to see the Sooners take risks, and play loose. Then the first three games this year seemed to carry over from last year’s finish. I have been disheartened to see us seem to go back to trying to react to things in the last 10-11 games, instead of forcing teams to react to us. That is what I miss the most and have been the most disappointed in with this year’s team. Let’s go play to win each game instead of being so cautious and over thinking ourselves into losses like we have in recent years.

  • SCKSChief says:

    Jordan, I would not disagree with any of your proposals. I would definitely agree with with at least putting Norvell on notice. He has skated by with having ONE really good WR and a bunch of “meh”. Saw it with Broyles and now with Shep. I’m very frustrated at this highly paid staff with seemingly all the money in the world and this is what they “develop”? Mind-boggling really.

    • Soonerlaw6 says:

      Wide receiver play is a major problem for this team and I am shocked that more fans don’t realize this. We’re not going to see the QB everyone is hoping for until our wide receiver play improves. It’s a catch 22.

  • dallassooner says:

    Oh man you are so dead on. I thought Quick should have been the punt returner all season. Sorry but i’m a little nervous having the only WR weapon we have returning punts anyway. This could have been Quick’s job from day one.

    So many points I agree with and glad you guys aren’t ashamed to speak the truth.

  • dallassooner says:

    MIke was a good DC when everyone was running pro style in the late 90’s early 00’s. However he hasn’t shown he can stop highly powered offenses. AND I”M A MIKE STOOPS FAN!!!

    • BigJoeBrown says:

      That is what I was thinking as well. Times have just changed. OU and the Big 12 doesn’t have the same offense’s they did in the early 2000’s. Remember OU was the 1st and everyone else was running the basic i-formation, or a simple drop back pass. Now, offenses are everywhere on the field and everyone is running them.

      • thebigdroot says:

        TTU would have been the first. Mike was able to stop them. The difference: We had big LB’s who could run and would fill gaps and we had corners who could cover. The CB issue (IMO) is due to scheme and being afraid to get beat deep.

  • OUhound says:

    OK, its not that I disagree with a thing that you said, but I will play devil’s advocate here just for grins. First point, the grass is always greener. The only problem is that its not. Yes, coaches have made some bad calls, and the re-punt call was totally brainless, but I saw a ton of football this season and some awfully brainless calls from many so called “top notch” coaches.
    Second, NC’s are rare for any team not named Bama. FL had a good run, but look at them now. As was previously stated in another post on this string, we were a whopping three or four plays away from being a one loss team this year.
    Third, as for the secondary, when did you ever see a secondary made up of all lower class-men not look bad? These guys are going to get a ton better, even though we are two years away from having a world beater secondary.
    Fourth, QB injury bugs are a killer, but they do exist. How many QB’s did we play last year again? Now I must admit I don’t think we are developing these kids right and part of the problem is recruiting, but how many games has TK really played in so far in his college career?
    And while we are on injuries, lets not forget that the last half of that game, offensively speaking, we were without our starting QB, our best receiver, and our best rusher. I don’t care what the name of your school is, you lose those three off any offense and you are going to be a shadow of your former self. (Not to mention our receiving core is very young and is in a similar situation as our secondary).
    Finally, OU has been playing football since 1895, that’s 119 years, and we have won seven NC’s. Even if you make it since the modern era, its still out of 70 years.
    Reality – in 16 years Bob Stoops has won 8 Big 12 titles and 1 NC. He’s 169-42. He’s only had two seasons to date without double digit win records for the season. Now in truth, as an OU alum of the last half of the 70’s, I still don’t think he can match Barry’s 3 NC’s or Bud’s back to back NC’s and 47 game streak. But the guy can definitely coach.
    So a word of caution – frustration can cause one to come to rash conclusions and as well toss out the baby with the bath water. Best to take a deep breath and let the emotions cool down in order to analyze and evaluate what are the proper steps here.

    • SCKSChief says:

      All good points. I’ll use a baseball analogy to talk about Bob and his record. Let’s say you’re Bruce Bochy (manager of the Giants). You have Madison Bumgarner (gawd I loathe his name!) on the hill in Game 7 of the series and he’s cruising. Your team is up 1-0, Bumgarner is in the 7th, at 100 pitches and has started to labor a bit. The opposition has managed to load the bases with zero outs. You now have a big choice to make. Do you stick with your guy or do you try to find a fresh arm with some new stuff to get out of the jam? Sure there’s risk in going to the pen because, after all, Bumgarner is SICK in the playoffs and is arguably the greatest playoff pitcher of all time. Then again, there’s also equal risk in leaving him in the game; one bad pitch and you’ve lost a World Championship. Sucks to pull your guy who is working on a Game 7 shutout…

      Right now OU is Bochy. Bob’s been great. However, he’s been laboring for a few “innings” now and the opposition has the “bases loaded with no outs.” What do you do? Things can go from pretty good to pretty dang bad fairly quickly.

      • OUhound says:

        I don’t necessarily disagree. I was just trying to show that this is no time to really make that decision, based upon emotions after a game, because there are always two sides to look at. It may be that Bob should move on, or at least can most of the coaching staff. But things may look different in a week or two. Time will tell.

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    One thing that still gets be about JH is the ability to adapt. A lot of people have talked about that punt, as they should…but to think that on OU’s last 8 possessions we had that one touchdown drive but also netted 10 yards. Think about that 10 total yards on 7 possessions in the 3rd and 4th quarter. That isn’t just something like someone missed a block or an assignment that’s pretty significant, and has been a common theme.

    I see OU beating up who they should because they have more talent…ISU, Kansas, ect…but when the talent is equal on the opposite side of the field that’s just when coaching comes to play. Makes me think of the Sugar Bowl when coaching and talent come together in harmony and work as one. But that is something we just haven’t seen this season.

    • Soonerlaw6 says:

      You’re discounting the significance of major changes in the 3rd and 4th quarter though – Perine going out; Ford cramping, resulting in limited play time for him and less effective play even when he was out there; and two lineman going down. Suddenly, the run game is not as effective. This isn’t so much an issue of adapting as a major circumstantial change in the game. JH would be crucified if he tried to chuck it around in the 4th Q when we’re trying to burn clock so I get the run attempts. Just a difficult situation.

      • BigJoeBrown says:

        I am looking at other games as well, I am just not a fan of multiple 3 and outs. 10 total yards doesn’t seems very acceptable in the last 7 of 8 possessions, I don’t care who is playing. Maybe I am wrong but I would expect a better showing in regards to personnel against OSU than Missouri State, Iowa State or Kansas.

  • WilliamJack says:

    Agree with the assessment except for Boulware and Norvell. Heupel, M. Stoops gotta go.
    BJ Wright to Admin.

  • thebigdroot says:

    Boulware- I’d keep him. The special teams are in much better shape than before he arrived. I blame the TE stuff on Heup (Why did we not throw more over the middle to Blake? It was there. A little play action and boom)
    As far as Norvell….why can’t he develop a tall WR? This is one of the most disappointing and frustrating aspects of his tenure. 6’0″ and down he can coach them, any taller and not so much.

  • Grady Brown says:

    Spot on analysis. I can’t think of anyone I know that loves Sooner football that can argue against what you’ve indicated. If Bob wants to survive, he needs to make the moves you’ve spoken about. That would encourage many of us who feel OU football is in decline. Several other mis-steps:
    1. Stopped making Texas recruiting priority and went national. Texas is in our backyard and it was easier to bring in Texas talent that California and Florida talent.
    2. Changed to 3-4 versus 4-3. This was done due to talent per what we were told. Most teams run and throw on us now.
    3. Changed to lightweight backers versus heavier backers that can run. Current backers of Alexander and Evans have played despite their performance. They sometimes put up huge numbers of tackles, but look where the tackles take place. They can’t fill gaps or get off blocks. And they are not much better in coverage. Stoops used Striker, the one difference maker on the team, in coverage. He should have been used to disrupt things in the backfield.
    4. You mentioned the lack of development. True! We still have Smitty that take average athletes and makes them good athletes. But linebackers, corners, and safety’s lack good tackling and covering skills. Our CB’s look awfully incompetent when covering close.
    I agree wholeheartedly in your assessment.

  • Todd Decker says:

    Sounds like we need to open the checkbook. Should have started with Cam Newton?

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Alright, Alright, Aright Bob Stoops is going to learn something today. This state is not happy. 5.5 mil a year for mediocrity. Nick Saben I give you my prop, you have stayed at the top, with what you had. Our line backers has been an issue for a good 5 years now. Weighting 220lbs at that position. Then you each Depriest at Alabama 240lbs running backs never run over him. I do not understand the thought that a 220lbs line backer is suppose to stop a 220lbs running back at full speed? Hasn’t happened. Then I think about what a defensive line said after the TCU lost, with the wide gap passing forrmation they did not know what to do. Coaching issues. Finally I know with out a doubt there are player’s on this team do not like nor want to play for these coaches. JH use to be a christian athlete when he was playing. Now he’s vulgar cursing his player’s, and from the looks of thing’s this show’s all the signs of arrogance. Player’s where not focused since the first game. The player’s are not playing for the coaches. Record this year wosrt coverage 5 or 6, 11:00 am game’s, games on foxsports1 not seen by those that do not have the sports package. Buisness took a big lost early games. Booing in our house at the coaches. Calamity and confusion are part of the norm now. 3 losssess at home, and Bob sounding like Mack Brown at the end of games. No accountability to the fan’s. Sad to say, but Bob is making Jim & Al 98.1 look good. Now the question is what is Boren going to do. OU gets no respect, we are the Rodney Dangerfield of football. How did we get here? The sooner fans have no clout, forced to be quiet until we start winning. Does not feel good. The fans where lied to this year. Sounded like we had a Porsche and performed like a pinto. Fan’s no longer trust Bob and neither does his player’s. 2015??????

  • thebigdroot says:

    Who would’ve guessed we would see Moneycutt miss 4 kicks on his home field? That is the most confusing part to me. Is he really that guy?

  • The 1hyperborean says:

    Excellent article. I don’t know how any Sooner fan at this point can keep the mindless sunshine pumping going.. Every fact and opinion is spot on.

  • Kelsta says:

    It may be true that we need to make some changes. But I think most on here are talking a bunch nonsense because we’re two days removed from one of the most embarrassing loses in history. 11 months ago, most of you were on an emotional high and thought we were in for a special season. 3 days ago there was almost no talk of wholesale change. Now the entire staff needs to beat feet?!?! Be careful what you wish for!

  • Hollerback says:

    You complain about recruiting yet you want some of our best recruiters fired. We must keep Norvell. OU tried to run the spread read option game without having a single coach on the staff that has run it before. Same with the 3-4 and 3-3-5 defense. Did they expect to just know how to coach it from watching tape? Mike Stoops is an idiot, I won’t trust him with any duties and agree he has to go. Heapel can stay on with a demotion to QB coach or go. Never wanted Kish here either. I was surprised to see you call out BJW as he is one of better recruiters. IDK about Boulware, special teams sure got worse this year.

  • tfb_fortyseven says:

    Jordan, just man … good post, and Thank You!! Someone needs to put this out there. Bob should be reviewed … not because we had another 4-loss season and not because we had 3 losses at home just like Blake in the 90s and not because we got embarrassed at home vs Baylor and not because we got beaten in OT at home by a poor OSU team, but because Bob is being paid almost as much as Saban yet the results are so much less.

    I mean, who wants to pay someone like they are king of the world when they perform like they are lord of the flies?

    The question needs to be asked and pursued, so Jordan, thank you. Thank you for saying the things that need to be said … thank you for putting yourself out there … thank you for caring so much for the OU football program that you are willing to get killed by the “Eternal-Sunshine-of-the-Spotless-Mind” folks on this board. Bravo BIG GUY!!!

    I’m currently listening to Tracey Chapman’s single “Change” … quite ironic: “How bad how good does it need to get? How many losses how much regret? What chain reaction would cause an effect?”

    It’s exactly where the OU program is right now. Thank you Tracey!!

  • james allen says:

    I have met Bob Stoops briefly at several functions and he is rather cool and not a friendly sort of guy. I have talked to many others who have had to deal with him at one time or another and they had similar experiences. I am not saying that is a must for a head coach as he does have assistants, but when recruiting takes you out of Oklahoma or Texas that quality does not easily secure players from other subcultures like the west coast, east coast, or NE. If anyone has lived in Oklahoma (born and raised) then lived 20 years on the west coast, and ten years on the east coast you become very aware of the mentalities of students at say U. Wash, Virginia Tech, and Ohio State, . I worked with students at each of these schools and went to OU and their views of life are so different that the single approach that Stoops has bears much less fruit than those who are engaging, friendly, and genuinely fun to be around .

    Unlike Wilkinson or Switzer, Big Game Bob does not engender the love that these 2 previous coaches did. Sure he is respected for what he has done, and will be missed for that when he does leave, but I really don’t think Oklahomans will miss him personally. His relationship with Oklahoma in general is cool and distant and you would expect after being here all this time and winning all that he has that there would be some form of affection that has developed. and it simply does not exist. He is respected for what he has done, but he as a person he is definitely not loved and I get the feeling that is alright by him also.

    Look at a guy who is on the other end of the spectrum. I was always amazed at how well Pete Carroll recruited nationally, and at how well he motivated each and everyone of his teams each and every year. While USC is a NCAAF powerhouse historically he viewed each season uniquely and thus his teams played in the moment, and were genuinely excited each time they won something. Great programs (OU, Texas, Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn St., Alabama, LSU, FSU, Notre Dame etc) automatically have expectations that are so overpowering that if one of these teams does not reach at least 10 wins then the team is viewed quietly by their followers as being sub par. If OU wins the Big 12 title then everyone says hey they are good but we already expect that, and how about the national championship game? The players by default are supposed to win 10-11 games thus instead of living in the moment and enjoying each win they have only lived up to other teams from the past. After USC had won 2 national championships and were supposed to keep doing this, it was interesting to note how he and the staff approached a “down” season by losing 2 games in the season. They did eventually win the Pac12 but you would have thought that they had won it all by Carroll celebrating in the locker room. He danced and celebrated a win to get another Pac12 title. When asked by a reporter on how he could be so excited in the wake of the previous 2 seasons, he said something that sets him apart from (Stoops, Pelini, and other powers that deal with massive expectations). He said last season this was a different team, and that this team was special in its own right and that he starts fresh each year with expectations and goals, and that winning this Pac 12 title was even SWEETER than the previous 2 years and that this team (in the moment) was a champion in its own right and that he doesn’t compare! That is the trap that Stoops, Pelini (who never lost more than 4 games in a season while getting at least 9 wins each season), Mack Brown, Frank Solich, Bo Schembechler, and other great coaches have to deal with. Unfortunately for Stoops, I do not think he is capable of changing his approach and thus he will get similar results.