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If you’ve paid any attention in recent months, you know we’ve mentioned how much more frequently we have been hearing recruits specifically mention Bob Stoops’ direct involvement. And while it’s important to note Stoops has always played a role, and a key one at that as the head coach, in OU’s recruiting, there has always been some talk behind the scenes that there was still room for improvement. Which is a statement that could apply to any number of program across the country, so that’s not intended to be a shot at OU or Stoops. But I can recall one story in particular just last year while speaking with a top recruit, who told me Stoops sent him a personal message shortly after this individual attended one of OU’s Jr. Days. Stoops thanked the recruit and his family for taking the time to visit. Which certainly sounds like the right thing to do, but that recruit’s family didn’t actually accompany him on that visit. So while it was a nice gesture on Stoops’ part, it wound up leaving this recruit with the impression it may not have really been all that personal rather than a standard message that went out to everyone.
Definitely not the end of the world, but still one of those little details that can add up over time and make a difference with a kid.
To be sure, there are previous examples in which Stoops has taken a very personal approach to a player’s recruitment. Steven Parker is a recent example that quickly comes to mind. But, in general, I’ve never really thought to Stoops as the type of head coach that in as involved as maybe some others.
However, that seems to have changed of late. Both late in last year’s recruiting cycle and perhaps even more so now that we’re well into this 2016 recruiting class. As you know, we speak with recruits from all over the country on a fairly regular basis, and if there has been one constant so far it’s their mentioning of Stoops’ direct involvement. I couldn’t even tell you how many times I’ve talked with a kid (same goes for Brandon and/or Alex as well) and asked them which OU coach they’re speaking with the most frequently, and if it’s not Stoops directly he’s almost always at least mentioned as the second or third guy.
If you’ll allow me a bit of a tangent, it is commonly known in the football world that Gary Patterson runs the TCU defense. Sure, he has a defensive coordinator and that person will certainly have any number of responsibilities. But you’ll notice that no matter what coach TCU brings in on that side of the ball, the defense continues to be good, if not great. For example: when defensive backs coach Clay Jennings left TCU for Arkansas, they simply plugged in Kenny Perry. Who was previously their director of high school relations and before that was a high school head coach. When Perry left to be co-DC at Kansas, they simply bumped up a defensive backs GA in Paul Gonzales. Point being TCU has a system that Patterson runs, and he doesn’t have to go out and hire high-profile coaches to run it successfully.
All of the above led me to ask a friend “in the know” just how involved Stoops has been recently with the team. In talking to some players from OU teams past I certainly never got the indication Stoops was disengaged, but I also never got the sense he was necessarily the most ‘hands-on’ coach either. But again, it sounds like that has changed. The response I got from my friend wasn’t necessarily surprising, but it was positive. He said Stoops has been “more involved in everything (this spring)…Bob is interacting with the guys and going to coaching meetings and positions meetings and is a lot more present than before.” I followed up asking my friend if he meant more involved than the last couple years or if it was more significant than that. The response was, “never seen Bob this involved…ever.”
At the moment, some OU fans are understandably pessimistic about this upcoming season. There are certainly some whose optimism remains unwavering, but my sense is the majority of Sooner Nation seem to be taking more of a ‘wait and see approach’ to this 2015 season. And, for the sake of full disclosure, I’d probably count myself among the latter group as well. But what I continue to believe is that success has a lot to do with accountability. And knowing that Stoops is more involved, especially to the level my friend described, gives me at least the hope that not only are there two, very seasoned, extra eyes on the game plan, but also that each position coach will feel that extra sense of accountability.
We were admittedly surprised when Stoops made the changes he did on the offensive side of the ball, but left the defensive side largely intact (you know before Jerry Montgomery left and Bobby Jack Wright retired). But in looking at it now, I feel like I understand his presumed plan a little better.
Bring in a young, talented OC capable of running a system Stoops is comfortable with, thus allowing the HC to get back to his roots and be more hands-on with the defense. Most of us are pretty confident Lincoln Riley’s offense should be able to put up points. And I suspect Stoops believes that with his renewed focus on the defense, they can make significant improvements on that side of the ball as well.
Or at least that’s the plan.
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Will he over ride Mike at times?
Bob always has and always will have the final say, but he’s also always been the type of HC that didn’t necessarily micro-manage his assistants. When it comes to game-planning, I’m quite confident he has overruled people when/if he felt necessary. But I’d assume during an actual game, with some exceptions of course, he’s probably letting his guys call what they feel is best to call.
Agree. Switzer did the same but he would jump in on the offensive side if a call needed to be made. I think there are some on this board who think Stoops is collecting a check but he was delegating. Unfortunately, he delegated to coaches who didn’t produce on the field & recruiting. To me, he’s starting over just like when he showed up. I’m excited and great read.
I sent you guys a question but heard why he re kicked the ball against the pukes.
Great article, K!
The head coach decides to get engaged again. I’m glad, but a little disturbed that it took this all to make that happen. He was making too much money to delegate as much as he did.
Well to be fair, K specifically said it wasn’t as though Stoops had been disengaged per se. But when I read it I feel like it’s best described as being more reinvigorated so to speak.
Bob made some terrible decisions with coaches. Heupel clearly wasn’t ready and Norvell wasn’t much help. Mike is not the same or did he just need Brent to be successful. Kish, Kittle etc wouldn’t get a shot at other top 10 programs.
Granted. I probably inferred the “disengaged.” Or perhaps it is the results of the last few years that led me to that conclusion. I hope that it changes and Bob gets his mojo back. Right now I’m firmly in the “wait and see” camp.
I’m right there w/ ya
Thanks K. The results will have to show on the field but it is certainly good news that he has rolled up his sleeves and decided to get down on ground level.
Stoops ‘hands-on’ recruiting approach has yet to pay dividends in the Lone Star state . Another Dallas Metroplex star from Arlington Lamar committed: Chris Owens to Alabama…a 4-star OL OU sought….but another indicator of the demise of OU’s influence in a confluence of athletic talent within 200 mi from campus…..also another indicator of how HS elite talent view the Little 12-2….these guys want to play in a better conference and against better talent than they will find in this league–and– guys want to play with better talent ( NFL potential ) that can help them reach NC playoffs annually……
They’re not satisfied being “better than most.”
Herman, he’s a UT troll. However, you will agree with anyone if they put down Bob Stoops. Bama right now is only better than most.
Based on the talent Saban is getting, he is the underachieving coach.
Bama is very good, but in the last few years they have not been great. Saban brings in a top 3 class every year. There are many coaches out there that would love to work with those players.
The spread has created a balance that Saban has yet to counter.
Very good point.
Go back to your bridge troll.
Again, Stephen, go away.
STFU dude.
Seriously can we not get him blocked?
Should we call the team the NO-U Sooners?
I prefer he-who-must-not-be-named.
Kick rocks!!!!
Very ignorant opinion. Here’s some homework little Stephen. Go and list all the NFL players OU has produced and compare that with other schools. OU is near the top among all CFB schools. LSU, USC have more, but not much more. Why do you hate OU? Perhaps all the veteran posters should be able to vote you off this board like they do on certain reality shows.
BAHAHAHA!!!!! Stephen! How do you have time to come post on here? Your schedule must be super full between your nurse coming to empty your drool bucket and thinking about ice cream all day. We’re glad you found someone who can understand you enough to type your slur-filled, vowelless rants into the “internets machine”
Well, he did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Really? Is this seriously all you got from K’s post? You never ever just thank any of the Brainiacs for their insight or hard work they do for fans, because you’re obviously not one. You never ever give a Boom to a recruit, just point out their ratings, stars or lack thereof. You never ever predict a win for OUr team, just always expect us to lose. You are a bad joke on this site, which must be your goal in life, to stir the pot with negativity and make everyone notice you. You apparently despise our coaches, players, and fans because of a peculiar admiration for all things Texass. I’m ashamed to even be replying to you, since that’s what trolls crave. Someday you’ll get the old Ban Hammer and nobody will even notice that you’re gone. “Well, Bye”.
you mean that conference that didn’t get a single team in the final game. We were a good OC and QB play away from losing only one game. I pretty sure are OL will have a better career than those Alabama stiffs.
Stop it.
Why do you even comment on these anymore? You’re as bad as the guy who said Riley wouldn’t get any his top targets for QB.
The fact this piece needed to be written is a vivid illustration why Bob’s back is against the wall in 2015.
Indeed. A lot of fans disagreed with some of my sentiments a few months back about how much pressure there is on coach Stoops, but I believe strongly that he is fully aware of the pressure.
His CEO approach is what got us here. I like Bob, but his past assistants failed him and he didn’t see the Baylors and TCU’s coming.
As good as he has done, I really feel he has two years to get this fixed.
This could be Mike’s last year if the defense doesn’t show dramatic improvement.
What qualifies as “getting this fixed?” Big 12 title every year? Bob never did that before….yes he had runs of three years in a row…but Texas got in once or twice. National title or bust in two years? There is not a single AD that expects that, not even Bama’s AD. We need to see progress, perhaps 9-3? Although less than OU standards, it would be a step forward. Don’t forget many across the nation see this as a rebuilding year for us.
I think that anything less than 9-3 will not satisfy the people applying the pressure. And I also think 9-3 is going to be a challenge for this team.
I think 9-3 is pretty good. But you can’t get blown out by Baylor and just look lost. The defense has got to show some serious improvement.
Oklahoma can lose football games, but you can’t get blown out?, this team and Coaching staff has to show that it has a pulse.
The Clemson game showed me that no one cared. I live in Tucson Arizona, so I have paid good money for three Fiesta bowls, Bob has had issues getting his teams up and prepared.
I don’t believe he has two years if this year is as rough – or worse – than 2014. Bad things happen in any profession when you go on cruise control. It isn’t just coaching.
We need to remember that there are very few coaches out there who could come in and do better than Bob has. I think people have to disregard the previous 17 years or so and look at this as a new start. Two years is not enough time, the CF landscape has changed Baylor seemingly has had sustained success and TCU has done well in bowl games. Can we reasonably expect the same dominance by OU from 2000-2004 or 2006-2008? Not sure. Hence, any criticism of BS should be tempered by the fact that this isn’t your Uncle’s Big 12 any longer…By the way, Former Sooner Dusty D shares this opinion.
No one said he was on “cruise control.” Big difference.
I’m sure he is too. What I don’t know is if this deal can be rehabilitated fast enough to satisfy those applying the pressure.
You’ll note that I didn’t. Your information then was uncomfortably accurate.
yup, wait and see……..thxs for the article
Stoops became very involved in the DT recruiting late in the season in 2013 when Jackie Shipp had no commitments. OU closed with Charles Walker, Matt Romar, Q Russell and Kerrick Huggins. The first 2 have been excellent players, and you know what happened with Russell and Huggins.
Nevertheless, it great to see Bob more closely involved in all aspects this year.
and I think it was the preceding yr when he instructed to not take dts for that yr which helped set up the ’13 scramble b/c we had no one when manning was lost
I think Walker as the ability (and then some) to be described as that type of player, but not quite sure he’s there just yet.
I agree completely. Good catch, Jordan, I should have said potential. This should be his first year starting as a redshirt sophomore, and Romar’s as well.
Great post. Thanks.
I think Coach Stoops is a pretty balanced coach. Being a HC is about managing, he trusts his staff to do the job that they are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to do. Being a micro manager is not the way to go especially in a field that is as fluid as Big Time College athletics. It works AND doesn’t work for Saban at times. Timing is everything, intervene too early and your staff feels like they cannot be trusted to do their job, wait too late and you’re out of a HC job. With JM moving on, the void was obvious in recruiting, BS knew he had to step in to let the new coaches come in and focus on establishing what’s most important, building relationships with the team. This time next year I can see BS not as involved in recruiting and one of the new coaches stepping up to be that main recruiter. (ok that was a kind of all over the place, but you get the jist)
Good insight, this at least calms my starving for Sooner football
Good read K. My four points for the Sooners to have a great year. Quarterback who can distribute the ball to our playmakers without mistakes ” especially no pick sixs “. Offensive line shows up, which I believe they will. Need a field goal kicker that can answer when called upon. And last but not least our secondary shows up…..hell, our whole defense shows up with an kick ass, take no prisoners attitude. We’re gonna score points….we just need an in your face shut down defense. Nuf said. Again, good read K.
This I would love, a shut your mouth take no prisoners defense.
A really great read. Thanks K.
None of us are ever at our best. You lose your focus and things get a little shaky.
What most of us tend to look at is results. I’m a numbers guy, so I get it. Numbers can be misleading. Now, 13-0 is 13-0; 12-1 is 12-1; and, so on. That seems pretty absolute, right.
Charles Barkley was a terrible NBA player because he never won a championship, one would think. However, he was an unstoppable force and missed out slightly on four or five occasions.
Suddenly, the wheels are off the proverbial wagon for OU. Stoops fell asleep at the wheel and now he is taking a hands-on approach. That means little to me because maybe he’s just changing the way he’s doing things. He came close to winning it all several times but he came up short. How many of us would know that things were slipping if he’s won championships.
Miles Davis is, and I don’t think anyone who knows a lick about jazz will dispute this, the best jazz trumpeter ever. He is responsible for making jazz cool. However, in the early to mid-70s he decided to experiment a little. That was his “electric” phase. I didn’t like it at all. He’s an innovator and had to scratch that itch. In the early 80s we saw Miles go back to what he did best and made himself popular again and lifted jazz back into the American conscience. How do we see him today? He’s still the best.
Stoops thought he could win with the way he was running the program. It didn’t work. He’s changing his approach. It’s going to be a challenge and I think he’s up to it.
We just need to give the man a break and let him do his job. He will get it corrected.
This is my point about numbers: if OU had won Big 12 and National Championships, no one would care about how Stoops is running things. Most of us went straight to the results and made our judgement. And now, most of us think we have something solid that validates our opinion of Stoops. If there’s work to be done then it needs to be done. If that work is getting done and OU falls short, most people won’t care about anything other than wins and losses.
If you live long enough, you have to learn to be hopeful because there will be ups and downs. If you intend on living in despair, it will be a miserable existence.
Sam , are you saying Miles is better than Louis Armstrong, Clark Terry, Charlie Shivers, Oran Page, Bix Beiderbeck, or bunny Berrigan ???
Kick rocks!!!
Good post, but Sam…dude, Dizzy Gillespie.
https://youtu.be/ZjZa7lyyGlw
Sorry about, EasTex. Next on my list is Clifford Brown.
DOO-OOD!
Louis Armstrong.
I guess I just keep losing cool points with you. So, I won’t tell you who’s third on my list. But I will give you the initials: Chet Baker.
LOL.
No you have good taste, just different flavor preferences.
I have Freddie Hubbard as my next choice.
Agreed. Miles Davis and all. Stoops clearly trusts his asst. coaches. In his early years as HC, he was able to let them do what they do and it worked. I guess he slowly found out that that’s not always the case. He probably doubted it was the problem for a while, but now the writing is on the wall. It’s obvious. It has been for a while, at least to a lot of us fans. I could imagine what it would be like finding out that what you’ve been doing for the past 15 years doesn’t work anymore. I’m glad he’s seemingly figured it out.
You and me both. I really believe in this team and its coaches. We will be just fine.
Been waiting for this article for about a month I think. Super K teased about it awhile back but it is as good as I hoped it would be!
Am I mistaken, or was there a very similar post at the end of last year’s offseason? Spoke about how much Bob wanted to win and was going well above the norm in order to achieve it because he didn’t want to disappoint like he had in other years with high expectations.
Just being a lowly high school coach, I can tell you that delegating responsibilities is a tricky proposition. Half of your coaches work better when you give them ownership and only check in on things. The other half need to be baby sat. Unfortunately, the same person can be a much different coach from one season to the next which makes it difficult to know how to handle him. Perhaps Bob trusts Cale to be his eyes and ears on the offense with a VERY energetic coordinator, freeing Bob up to babysit his baby brother.
I wouldn’t have worded it like that but I def get the sense he’s got guys on the offensive side he trusts.
The thrust of this article is what many OU fans had been saying for years, but didn’t specifically know. They guessed. They felt. They assumed. Bob had taken too much of a hands-off CEO role. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn’t. OU still won many, many games. OU was simply inconsistent against the better teams. And “Big Game Bob” had gone away.
I’m in the “wait and see” group. Simply because Bob is taking a more hands-on approach doesn’t necessitate wins as the outcome. However, if Bob taking a more hands-on approach means that the process has changed, then the wins may come.
Good to hear that the captain has taken the helm now that the ship is listing. Can he right it or does he go down with it? And I like your hypothesis that Bob left the D with Mike as Bob is taking a more ‘hands on’. He used to be a pretty fair DC I hear. If Riley can get production and 40+ ppg out of the O and Bob recalls how to get the right D on the field and play some pass defense, maybe top 50 instead of 112th, they just might avoid the shoals after all.
I was very optimistic last year. I’d have to say I’m a wait and see guy this year.
Reinvigorated, re-dedicated, re-engaged – I hope that is true. I hope also that it goes to game management too so there are fewer wasted timeouts on defensive misalignments. And naturally I hope he re-thinks in the future rather than re-punts.
It’s a pity that a man getting $5M+ per year has to be reinvigorated, re-dedicated, re-engaged, or whatever. That type of coin should be motivation enough.
This article makes me very happy. I see much clearer now.
Great article K. I think Bob knows that a lot of the recent failures won’t help the fund raising for the renovations, won’t allow Mike to keep his nearly million dollar job, and nor does it do much for his highly competitive nature. I think right,wrong, or indifferent, Bob was caught off guard .
I trust the head coach when he says that he’s more committed than ever to getting this football program back to competing for national championships. We’re seeing him back up that talk (or hearing about it I should say). I love every bit of it; gives me something else to smile about during the long offseason besides Jeff Mead’s sick one-handed, “Manny Johnsonesque” catch!
Excellent post, Super K.
I don’t doubt he is more engaged than in previous seasons. I also don’t doubt he feels much better, physically, than in recent years after having off season hip replacement surgery.
If he was taking pain meds during the 2014 season it would have had an effect on him mentally. If he wasn’t, imagine trying to function at a high level with the pain he had to have been experiencing.
I noticed only days after the surgery and he was still using a cane that he seemed as though a giant weight had been lifted and he had more energy.
There was also a moment that I remember clearly that came during the game with the Vols. OU had sacked the Vols QB on 3rd and long, but there was a penalty on OU. The defense was already coming off of the field and Bob was aware of what was going on and he had to yell for Mike to get the defense back on the field. Mike seemed baffled and unaware as he hustled to get his defense lined up and the alignment set. Bob was looking at Mike with a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot look on his face and Mike was looking down as Bob was talking to him. The Vols then ran a screen pass and made a first down.
That moment showed me that Bob had more game awareness and seemed to have doubts about Mike’s. Mike’s moving to the box could well be a result of Bob’s desire to be more engaged with his defensive coaches and players.
Excellent and thoughtful commentary. You’re right, Bob probably was dealing with a lot of pain and kept it masked.
So it takes the wheels starting to come off for Bob to realize he needs to be more hands on? He should of been more involved about 3/4 years ago. Any rate, like in your post, I’ll wait and hold judgement at the end of the season. Bob is coming in too late and nepotism will be his downfall. Should of fired Mike and his sidekick Kish. Afraid it’s too late for Bob to get in the game now.
More involved is a good thing. He is the face of the program and the one kids really want to meet. With his kids older (out of HS yet?) he may be freed up to be more involved. I have to agree with EasT the problem that prompted the hip surgery had be a real hassle. With that said…. I’m solidly in the camp that is withholding predictions and goals until the results show themselves on the field and even if things go well, not until early Novemenr will I allow myself to get excited.
I thought the spring game gave a positive indication of the new coaching taking root. Players didn’t seem lost or playing with hesitation.
I’m of the opinion that we didn’t play to the level of our talent last year. For whatever reason(s), many of our key players were hamstrung by schemes or play-calling that didn’t fit their skill sets. Key examples: TK and Striker. Heck, I’d go so far as to suggest that Bell and Flowers weren’t fully utilized. I’m hoping that this year, the coaches let players play. That is to say, put players in a position where their skills will shine. We have the talent to kick some major ass this year. And we have even more talent arriving in the summer. The question for me is: do we have the coaches? I think so. Bob’s new-found involvement adds to that mix. So count me among those who are confident about our chances this season.
Good analysis. It sounds like he is more determined. I remember the same thing happened to Switzer one year. They didn’t have a good year, Switzer was criticized heavily, and I heard (like your report above) that he was spending long, long hours in the office, sleeping in the office overnight. It paid off with a good team. I think Stoops has always been a coach who wanted to show respect to his coaches and let them coach, but things are not going the way he wants either.
I have never seen Stoops so confident going into last season. I really believe they all thought they had a team to take them to the final 4. But, like I said, our O was very unimaginative. We never lined people up differently, sped things up, put people in motion, used the “little” extra things that gives the O the little extra advantages. This year, the defenses will never know how we are coming out of a huddle, we will hike quickly and not give the defenses time to settle in on how they would like to disguise what they do, we are going to make plays easier for the QB to make and ask the playmakers to beat guys in space a lot. It’s a lot of stress on a defense. When I look at the talent across the board, I’m not sure I’d trade the talent OU has on campus right now with the talent any other offense in the Big 12 has on their offense across the board. And, just as the change made all the difference in the world at TCU, I’m hoping we see that same kind of renaissance in OU’s offense next year.
On defense, I don’t think Mike Stoops has forgotten how to coach all of a sudden, and he, like Bob, is a fierce competitor. I think he and Bob are embarrassed at all the criticisms they took on defense. I think Mike, Bob and all the others are much more focused at doing a better job than perhaps they ever have at OU, as your article above seems to indicate.
We were not that far off last year, IMO. I know some won’t like it, but I can write off the bowl game b/c Stoops had told coaches to look for jobs, and they were scurrying around in December doing that, I’m told. I was told that the offices were tension filled, as if people’s jobs were on the line in December. Well, I think they had been told they would be given a chance to find a job b/f it was officially announced they were leaving. So, their hearts were not in preparing OU to play in a bowl game; you cannot serve two masters, you will either hate the one and love the other, or vice-versa (Matthew 6:24), and they were “loving” their new job search more than the bowl game.
Then, a/f that, we should have won the OSU game. We were 2 TDs up and all OSU fans had left the stadium; everyone had the feeling it was over, and if we don’t punt again, we win. KSU, if we can kick a 1 yd kick, we win in spite of INT. We were one play away from beating TCU. Even w/o TCU, we definitely should have won the other two games; that’s 10 win season, again.
But sometimes, losing makes you better. I don’t know if we’d have won those 2 games we should have won we’d have made the changes we did, and both Stoops might not be working as hard as they are. It was that way in the 90s with Blake. I wanted us to lose if it meant getting a new coach, rather than keep a horrible coach. If he’d have won 2 more games, we might never have fired him and kept having 8 or 9 win seasons at best without firing him. I’m glad we lost to OSU and KSU last year, even though we should have won both games and we’d have won 10 games in the season, if those 2 loses lit a fire under Stoops who I still think is as good a coach as anyone in the nation.
JMO.