As most of you know, we have confirmed initial reports that Jay Norvell is no longer with the University of Oklahoma. Our source that confirmed the dismissal has also shared with us the following:
– One of the names Oklahoma is looking as a potential replacement is Western Kentucky offensive coordinator, Tyson Helton.
– Another name OU is also considering is TCU offensive coordinator, Doug Meacham.
– We were also told, by the same person and an additional source, that Oklahoma did indeed reach out to Will Muschamp before he was hired by Auburn. However, “he was too close to a deal with Auburn” at the time.
As most of you know, we’ve been pretty tight lipped with this coaching stuff. While we have been hearing a lot of what is out there for a while, it’s always difficult to be certain about these matters. And we’re sensitive to the fact casually throwing out speculation about the job security of any individuals would be irresponsible and disrespectful on our part.
If that means somebody gets the news out before we do then so be it. That’s a sacrifice we’re willing to make for the sake of what we consider to be doing things the right way. That said, we will continue to strive to bring you every bit of information we responsibly can as soon as possible.
Hence, we do feel comfortable sharing the information above. And, as you would expect, there will be more changes coming.
UPDATED (9:33 pm): We are receiving word that two more coaching departures are imminent. We have the names but are not ready to run them. But again, it sounds as though it will be coming out very shortly.
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Thanks.
Please be Meacham!
That’s my thinking too. The Western Kentucky coach sounds intriguing.
WKU had a high flying offense this year. Their QB put up Sam Bradford numbers while having a RB with 1,500 rushing yards.
Any news on MS
LSU deal doesn’t appear to be serious based on what’s coming out of Baton Rouge today.
They probably didn’t go for the Kish package deal.
How can you turn down the dynamic duo.
Lololol…
Probably didn’t have opening for a janitor
LOL
I almost spit out my scotch. Good one.
Just the fact that he’s taking interviews is probably an indication that he’s out.
Meacham is my guy…
Don’t know much about the WKU guy? What’s his resume like?
Meh… I’m not buying him
Both names are great, but Meacham is awesome. Here’s to hoping DJ Durkin is still available if Mike leaves for LSU.
Meacham would be a solid get!
Durkin would be great, maybe bring recruits with him
Durkin would be a HOME RUN, but I’m not at all optimistic on it happening.
Rumors to Michigan or what
He used to work for Harbaugh at Stanford
OU needs to get the checkbook out for the best available coaches. Not time to be conservative
Agreed. If you’re going to spend 300+ million on a stadium, you’d better spend 1 million on quality coordinators.
He is a Youngstown guy and a former UF DC….maybe he wants to follow in Bobs footsteps!
Im ok with Durkin, Meachem and Monty as co co co DCs
K,
This is always the first site I go to, to get my information. You have been spot on and letting it work itself out. Great job and keep it up.
I hope we can get Meacham. I think he would be a perfect fit.
Thanks for staying classy guys
Any ideas on who will replace Kish and BJW as position coaches?
For bjw it would probably be viney and for kish I think leavit might be a solid hire especially if durkin goes to michigan. Then leavit might be a real possibility.
Have they been released? I wouldn’t count them as gone until they’re gone.
This gives a little more info on Helton.
http://m.wkusports.com/m/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011514aac.html
Thanks. He looks to be ambitious seeing how many places that he’s gone. Not afraid to jump for the next best job. OU is definitely a step up from WKU. I like that he’s a true QB-DT type of coach. That seems to fit the roster of QB’s that we have on campus.
No problem.. Seems to have been pretty successful wherever he’s been as well. Coordinated the best offense in Cincinnati history, also did a pretty good job with uab when he was there.
Special Teams, qb, rb, OC, different schools. Lets get this guy for any position.
Ha, the announcers mentioned three recruits for us and said, “Mike Stoops is going to enjoy this guys.”
one coach to be replaced and1 recruit gained and those my friends are fact everything is pure speculation
what recruit
I’m not sure how realistic Meacham is. Meacham went to Oklahoma State and was a wr coach there for years. He’s also got 9 starters returning on offense at TCU as well. The combination of these factors could make a move to OU as OC undesirable for him. Staying put, he should have another great year with TCU’s O next year and he could be in position for HC gigs possibly. I’d really love for OU to get him though because the way he turned TCU’s offense around was incredible. He’s clearly a fantastic OC
Yeah, he’s the best name out there – but he’s going to be expensive.
Pay him for what he’s worth to get him to come. We need someone like that.
Not sure how expensive he will be, I believe he currently makes 250k and Norvell made 450k. Would think Josh would get a reduction in pay along with his demotion so OU could pay him the 605k that josh was making while paying Josh the 450k without increasing budget.
If there’s a new OC, then I don’t see Heupel staying around in any aspect. The new guy is going to want to bring in his own people. Just too much tension to have the last guy underneath the new guy.
I should have scolled down before posting above lol. But, I don’t know if Josh goes for a swap in salary. QB’s only but that big a salary cut and he might walk. But, that might not be the worst thing. There is a lot of great QB coaches we could snare for 450k!!
Agreed
Money talks. I’m sure we could pay him a lot more than TCU.
What is making now? He was making $200k at Houston… so I’m sure he is making $300 something at TCU, or a little more. I think we were paying Norvell $460k or something in that ballpark. Write him a $500k check or closer to $600 and call it a day!!
deep pockets
Maybe. I bet OU could double his salary and it’d still be less than the combined salary of JH and JN.
He has a Co Coordinator at TCU: Cumbie. Perhaps he wants a little more autonomy.
Ah now that’s interesting I didn’t know that. Either way OU needs to try to land him, he would be a great hire.
I thought he ratained O-Coord all to himself, that what I remember when I heard he first was hired at TCU.
From NCAA.com article: “Doug Meacham and Sonny Cumbie into his program as co-offensive coordinators.”
While they are having very good success right now. Let’s be realistic, OU is the major league and without a doubt a step up from TCU.
Thanks for the updates TFB, and as Tina Turner used to vocalize in a good but aggressive manner, “You’re simply the best, better than all the rest”!
Fair enough. Appreciate that you all respect the current coaches. I actually like them all, just think it is time for a change. Hope whoever goes has success elsewhere..
Meacham would be fantastic.
And so it begins………
“How did it come to this…”
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Well….played sir.
8-5
I love this ……the best writers in the game
Interesting tidbit about reaching out to Muschamp. That COULD be interpreted to mean that MS is out …regardless. Wouldn’t think that OU would contact him about interest in the DC job (presumably) and not be serious.
I thought the same thing when I read that.
I don’t think Mike would be out on an interview if he thought he was staying.
MS is out. No way he’s not. I’m guessing that Bob got him the interview with LSU. Even though he probably won’t get it, word is now out that he’s on the market.
Is it possible that MS went to interview on his own accord? BS told him we are getting a co-coordinator who is going to game plan, you’ll do position coaching and have lesser input on the game?
Yeah, it’s possible. Seems like a strange guy for Les Miles to just reach out to though. On a side note, I hate the co-coordinator concept. The position coaches can help game plan, but at the end there needs to just be one guy.
Everything I’ve heard is Bobby Jack and Kish are the other two that are out
How could Bob reach out to Muschamp and then keep MS?
Just telling you what I’ve heard from guys on the inside. There’s also word that Boulware is seriously considering Texas.
I wished Boulware would stay. It wasn’t his fault that JH wouldn’t throw to the TE’s at all. Never got a real chance to prove they could play.
Yeah, but Seibert is his only real recruit and he’s a solid commit. If his heart’s not here then so be it.
That isn’t inside info. Every site out there is reporting Kish and BJW being gone.
It was when I knew. Nice to have friends in high places I guess.
So it wasn’t posted on the Internet anywhere else before then? I know it was.
I’m sure it was, somewhere, but not Norvell’s name, and not BJW’s name. Not a demotion for Heupel, but he was getting fired. Just saying.
MS agreeing to relinquish game planning.
and do what else?
Coach the secondary.
i think he’d rather leave
Isn’t that the position people are upset about.
Yeah, but I do not think it is all his fault. I think it is the fact that the secondary is very young, and maybe not recruited well (partly Stoops fault). But I think next years could be good! Just trying to be positive.
Cant be worse. Q Hayes will be gone but he wasn’t a difference maker in the secondary.
their way of saying it w/o saying it
The tcu. ..guy would be cool….I’m going check this other guy out…new blood..hungry coaches…that is good…super k
The TCU game next year would be insane!! Meachum and (Baker Mayfield) against Cumbie!!
This will suck if JH and MS stay in their current duties when JN goes.
HC-Bob Stoops
DC-Pendergast
OC-Meachem
DL-Monty (King of the Recruiting games)
OL-Bedenbaugh (loving the guys hes bringing in)
LB-Orgeron (AMAZING recruiter)
WR-Wyatt
QB-Spavital (great recruiter)
TE- Boulware
This is the Dream team IMO…..add to it, take from, add different points
Thats 5 offensive coordinators and 3 defense… 4 if you are counting Bob?
If you’re thinking just dream team, that’s a pretty solid list. Realistically, I don’t think Orgeron is going to be a LB coach. He was an SEC head coach. I honestly think I’d rather have the WKU guy than the TCU guy.
Orgeron is very unrealistic IMO think someones going to have to offer him a DC job if not HC
I prefer Sonnie Cumbie to meachum because he is what made the TCU offense go this year. But I’d take any of the 3 to get over JH’s play-calling.
That would be a hell of a list but I’ll bet Boulware goes to his alma mater UT soon to be their new TE coach.
which would leave and TE/special teams and a DB coach correct? or would we had the DC or LB just cover that?
I figure they’ll get another TE/spec teams coach and the new coordinator on D will probably also coach secondary. But that’s all speculation on my part.
Looks like a good list but I don’t think Spavital is the answer Josh is a more proven QB coach and I think it would be a step down. Orgeron would be great but a long shot and Wyatt been there done that.
I don’t see Soavital coming here without the OC job being part of it.
WR – Trooper Taylor (great recruiter also) if not Wyatt
TE – Tim Brewster, Fl St, Mack Brown’s ACE recruiter, if Boulware to UT
Man, I’m always late when something big happens.
We’re here all day Shelby. 🙂
Ha, yup and now I gotta catch up.
I thought Wyatt left on bad terms when he left the 1st time or was it someone else.
Wyatt wasn’t a very good wr coach.
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2015/01/clancy_pendergast_still_the_le.html Well it seems as if Dean Blevins has bamboozled us once again.
Didn’t Orgeron have some recruiting issues with the ncaa at one time?
If you’re not cheatin’ you’re not tryin’ haha.
He wont pass the Boren test.
Yeah, at Tennessee, under Kiffin. Not sure the full extent though.
and at Ole Miss
Western Kentucky had an awsome offense this year. Nearly 7000 yds. offense in 13 games. Just under 5000 yds passing and over 2000 yds rushing. WK did loose a few games this year, but they scored on everyone. The games they lost were very high scoring affairs, not because of stagnant offensive play calling and poor execution of the players. They scored 70 TD’s this year, so not only productive yardage gainers but, pretty good in the red zone also. I know Meachum is a great coach, and would be an instant success. I would however, prefer Helton. He took over WK’s offense last year on January 15th, and accomplished this. I would be happy with the proven Meacham, but my choice would be Helton.
Rick, I am with you on this one. I really like the idea of the WK OC.
He’s had a lot of success everywhere he’s been. Definitely an interesting prospect.
I am a WKU homer, but I would prefer Helton as well. I like the young guy from out of conference with something to prove on the big stage.
One would say Kish the other one I’m not sure yet. I want to say Josh or BJW possibly.
I think Stoops keeps JH if at all possible, unfortunately. BJW is gone for sure and no way Kish survives this either.
I don’t think BJW counts cause I think he stays in a adminstrative position. Maybe Boulware leaves be taking another job instead of getting fired! If so I think we go after both the guys mentioned above. Meachum as OC/Playcaller and Helton has Special Teams and TE coaching experience and would be another great mind to add to the room!
There has to be some just as qualified minority coaches out there somewhere. I think it a mistake not to use this opportunity to improve the diversity of our staff everything else being equal (meaning they are all equally talented). Going to cross my fingers
i don’t think race has a thing to do with it- hire the best guys out there even i they’re all purple
Amen, brother!
Individually, of course it is just about the best man. But as an aggregate, if minorities are not represented proportionately, then it is a problem on many levels. But to each his own, just my opinions
It becomes a problem on the recruiting trail for sure. Most young black males relate better to a coach that he feels understands him.
I love my brothers, of all colors! Having said that, I’d rather have an OC of any color who knows his stuff and gets results on the field than a specifically colored OC that relates well to recruits but can’t get the job done.
At the end of the day, players go where they have the best chance to win, not because they see a black face on the sideline. See: Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State, Florida State etc., which have overwhelming majority white staff members. I don’t see that stopping them from signing talented non-white athletes.
You don’t have to be the same race or same ethnicity as someone to understand their perspective or who they are as a person. We all meet people we’ve never met before every single day. Yet, I’m willing to bet that once you started talking to some of those “strangers” they ended up understanding some aspects of who you are better than the most of the folks who’ve known you your whole life.
I think what it really comes down to is being willing to genuinely listen to what a person has to say when they are talking to you about something that is important to them – goes a long way towards making someone feel heard which, in turn, can help bridge that understanding gap so many of us struggle to get across.
Just my two cents though.
When candidates are being speculated on, I don’t sit here and say Hey, is that guy purple? or is that guy orange? I say, is that guy qualified?
Never saw purple or orange people.
This x100.
It’s time to get an Asian guy on the sideline!!!
Is Dat Nguyen available to coach LBs. Dude was a player back in the day.
That dude was awesome!
EDIT: I just looked, and he was the inside linebacker coach at A&M (2010-2011), not sure what he’s up to now.
Un cool.
Wow.
Test Bruschi was Filipino and he’s got three rings. Just sayin.
If he were in coaching, he’d be a great pick-up….I think he’s enjoying his TV gig too much though.
texas has 6 BLACK coaches on staff not including Charlie Strong.. guess who will dominate the inner- city Dallas, Austin, san Antonio, & Houston areas ?? the effect can be seen by perusing Texas commitment list…9 of Texas 26 are from the Dallas area alone–including Wheeler & Jefferson ( 2 LBs OU targeted but could not get). 4 of Texas commits are from the inner-city areas around Miami ( all 4*** recruits)…if a school is going to depend on inner-city talent, it needs coaches of the same color who can relate and be role models ( and keep them in line & in school)…it isn’t going to be a Tim Kish or Mike Stoops, either…………….
We want the best coach available……and it doesnt matter what color he is…..improving diversity if it doesnt improve the team…..is plain STUPID
When the dust settles there may be more new faces than old.
I’m cool with that.
Amen, brother
How imminent is imminent? Within the hour?
Probably sometime tomorrow. Not sure much is happening at 10pm CST or 11pm EST, just sayin’.
A little drawn out for my taste, but I’ll take it! 😉
Good question… should I stay awake, or go to sleep and read about it in the morning.
I’m going to stay up.
I’m going to be up until 11pm PST, so should hear something by then I would imagine.
Thank you TFB!
Is it just me, or are any of you getting excited about the new asst coaching possibilities?
I do wish the departing coaches luck in finding new jobs and ending up in a happy and successful destination. I thank them for their efforts here, but it just didn’t work out.
I am geeked! I have been running around the house like a mad man. My wife and son are getting annoyed. 🙂
My laptop seems to be sitting higher than normal.
you almost deleted that before hitting “Post as Sooner Ray” didn’t you? you should have 😉
And I’ll bet no blue pills were needed either! Lol
Do you have that 4 hr number to call?
That’s supposed to be for Mrs. Sooner Ray not your laptop!
It’s scary to some, and a lot of the posts here reflect that attitude, but staff changes in any profession should be viewed as opportunities. Bob Stoops, the players and whomever is left standing should be excited. I for one am thrilled!
I am in the teaching profession, so this is no big deal to me. People move on, they retire, they are dismissed. Comes with the territory of coaching/teaching. I too am thrilled to see what happens and who comes on board to help this team improve….and win.
Super excited.
yep- glad that issues were recognized (although late) and are being addressed
It sort of feels like national signing day, seeing who you actually get.
Agreed!!!!
Yup, or draft day.
I agree and well said about seeing them off.
Meacham should be the the first name on the short list. The guy is an offensive whiz, and was able to take one of the worst offenses in the conference and make it one of the best, with the same players.
The guy knows how to run an offense, and he knows how to win.
“with the same players”, key words!!!
Hes a WR coach by trade.. OSU always had receivers under him.. TCU was deadly at that position this year.. Speed for days…
that would satisfy a lot of folks, that one hire right there
I like Meacham because he’s been an OC at a lower level in the past prior to moving to the FBS. I didn’t realize he was a WR coach initially, but that just adds to the allure.
What he did at TCU is just amazing to me. And we’ve seen Boykin play in previous years, and the offense was never anywhere near as good.
I think Cumbie deserves most of the credit as his addition this season coincided with Boykin’s drastically improved play.
I’d take Combie too. Both appear to be light years ahead of JH.
True that
This is the only one that makes sense if JH is going to WR coach
We should just dust off Chuck Long….he still lives in Norman doesn’t he?
That isn’t even remotely funny, B4L…don’t go there. Chuck is doing fine as a retiree.
Lol! Couldn’t resist.
You’re right! In that there’s prob a layer or two of dust on him that is.
In my best Nature Boy Ric Flair imitation: WOOOOOOOOO! Never like to see anyone lose their jobs but dang this was the most miserable season…!!!!
This is gonna really suck if Bob just unloads 3 position coaches after the way we played the second half of the year
I can’t see that happening. It’s obvious to everyone (including Stoops) that the issues are more than just position coaches. He’s also smart enough to know if he only replaces three position coaches and doesn’t make a serious title run next year, he’s the one on the chopping block.
JN was co-coordinator remember?
I know and i can see JH being demoted to QBs and thats ok but if MS stays whats he gonna coach DBs?? might as well not have a secondary if that happens!
Viney can coach DBs and he’s already been working with them and built a rapport. Could happen.
Plus he is a pretty good recruiter from the west coast.
Yeah he’s the reason we are in at Fresno east central
If he has been coaching them already, not sure that is really a good thing.
And our secondary sucked with him coaching them, no thanks. No retreads, no hirings from within. The problems are “within” so we need to look externally.
Yep. I agree that an overhaul is appropriate.
I really don’t see a demotion taking place. If a new guy comes in, then Heupel will be gone. The new guy will want to bring in his own guys. A new OC won’t want to keep around the old OC.
I would normally agree, but the incest in this place runs deep.
Honestly, Heupel has a better resume than we probably think. He’s called some pretty bad games, but OU has also put up a ton of points in a lot of games since he’s been calling the offense. Other than the two blowouts, OU scored 30 or more points in every game this year. I could see a smaller program rolling the dice and bringing him in as a HC.
I have a feeling he isn’t going. So far, we know JN was let go, MS supposedly interviewed/Muschump was sought out, and reports are two others are to be let go, one demotion.
If the other two per reports are Kish and BJW, Who is being demoted MS or JH? No current reports on four firings only three.
I don’t see Heupel taking a demotion. He’ll stay as OC or he won’t stay. Like I’ve said previously, no new OC is going to want him around. I think the same goes for MS.
easier than firing him
I bet he does take a demotion.
If he’s demoted the word is officially out on him. If he goes to another program, HC or otherwise, I promise it won’t be a lateral move.
I don’t think OU lets coordinators choose assistants. Only one I can think that maybe did was Wilson and Patton.
MS chose Kish.
Any more examples? Because one or two in 16 years isn’t many.
it was your comment, can you provide any examples that give credibility to your claim.
I’m pretty excited to see what happens the next few days. It’s like K was talking about with alabama and creating a culture of excellence. Every coach being held accountable after every year.
I say add both the guys listed above! Can’t have to many Great offensive Minds in the room. Meachum can call plays and Helton has TE/Special Teams coaching experience! If they did that I wouldn’t even be to upset if they kept JH coaching QBs
I think it’s safe to say that OU will have a new play caller next season. I’m guessing there will be a new DC as well if Mike is looking for other jobs and they inquired about Muschamp.
If they pursued Muschamo then MS had already made the decision to leave. What’s most interesting about this is, Muschamp quit or got fired or whatever back in mid-November, so apparently this has been on Mike and Bob’s mind for a minute.
Good point…
it stated that we were late to the game on Muschamp so not real sure we were contacting him until fairly recently. I do agree it suggests that MS is moving on though.
Yep. MStoops leaves instead of forcing his brother’s hand. I think K made it pretty clear that the offense will be under new leadership.
Regardless, “late in the game” probably means Bob never dreamed $1.5 million wouldn’t buy him.
I think TFB were leaving clues, you picked one up for sure.
I need to hit the sack, but I can’t stop reading TFB!
Me too bro! This is best friggin reality show ever!
And…and…my Twitter feed just, just stopped !
Ha!
Almost time for the Sports Extra on local CBS affiliates… Deano time 😉
BS has to get rid of JH and Kish after that I am fine, but those two have to be asked to move on!
we made Michael Divinitys top 5
He is a 2016 recruit. We need Lbs now.
He made Joe Webb look like a very good QB in college. As a Vikings fan, that’s impressive to me.
Did Deano suggest that Heupel is going to be a candidate for the WR coach??????
YUP stay and coach WR is what he said. He also is saying that Spavital is the target for OC
he’s behind on the Meacham rumors
I know there is a majority against Spavital, but I wouldn’t be opposed to this. Obviously I’d like to know who are the other realistic candidates are before I stand by this.
Going by what TFB posted in the above article, for now.
If it means we get in on Kyler Murray… Spavital is my guy haha
And maybe even Lodge.
I was referring to Meacham
Yeah, I just hope in a couple days we get some names narrowed down.
Hey, at this point, I am down with anyone that is qualified over JH. We need some new blood at OC.
This is Oklahoma. If Spavital really is the OC target then Bob is on his way out is my guess. 2 years if he makes it that long would be my guess
Not sure, but that would make no sense….at all.
True. Yet, being related to Boren it is prudent to offer JH something.
Then find him a job elsewhere in the Althletic Dept, or somewhere else on campus.
Do you think he can roll socks?
Just joking. I am not sure he’s leaving. But I hope that he can help us win next year if he’s here.
Equipment room would be fine
he speculated that, yes- or, that he might elect to leave
That he did.
I guess JH is the one getting the demotion. If JN, Kish and BJW are let go, where does that leave MS if only three are reported to be fired?
Has Texas hired a TE coach? Is Boulware being considered if they haven’t. Hell, UT got a TE commitment and didn’t even have a TE coach. Maybe if OU had dismissed Kish after the bowl game OU could have picked up some LB recruits.
I wish that didnt make sense.
Boulware is likely going to be hired by UT
If he’s interviewing, I think that says a lot about next year.
Yeahh..but he may also leave, is also what he said. He said something about Kyler Murray was a Spavital guy and hinted he might come with him, based on the timing of the rumors of Kyler coming to OU.
So he didn’t really say anything then.
Dean still thinks Mike is a serious candidate at LSU.. Most of his info tonight was stuff you could’ve read on every single Sooners message board out there…
I swear thats where the dudes at Newsok get their stuff…TFB and Crimson and Cream. I think they even quote posts from hear when they start lines with “and some Sooner fans say……”
These coaching prospects seem to point at either another co-OC or JH is being demoted.
Dean just said on the news that there will be a demotion.
ouch…how can you punt like that with no rush!
I could do it easy.
Me too…happens in my backyard all the time.
lol yeah me too…that was my point
A lot of personnel action for a Sunday night.
I BET WE HEAR MORE TOMORROW!
That’s cool. I’m down with black Monday’s.
You mean Crimson and Cream Mondays. 😉
Josh Heupel is GARBAGE, Fire his azz NOW
How do you really feel?
Im mad
Come on man, you can’t still be mad…that bowl game was last year
Heck, I’m still pissed about Baylor.
Just a poor shot at humor…a year…six days what’s the difference 😉
Calm down there, buddy.
Thought we were going to show these guys the door with grace?
offering JH a demotion is one way of accomplishing this, he may very well elect to leave on his own rather than accept that offer
perhaps, if it involves a pay cut.
exactly
Not gonna happen. We either bring in another co-coordinator (a concept I hate) or we bring in a true OC. The WKU guy would be likely in the first scenerio. In the second, a guy like Meachum won’t want Heupel around. For his own career, Heupel would be better off looking somewhere else for the same job rather than taking a demotion back to position coach. He’ll have “coordinator” by his name next year or he won’t be at OU.
that’s what I was eluding to, that the demotion is a way for OU to rid themselves of JH w/o actually having to fire him
Then he most likely won’t be at OU.
I have no problem with co-coordinators. There’s still only one person calling the plays. And at least in 2000, co-coordinators worked on D (even though Mike was the one making all the calls).
Some are able to show class. Obviously some can’t.
I think we all like the coaches. Most of them we’ve had some success with. Hopefully the change is good for them and us
Definitely worked out for Venables when he left. Hopefully it’ll work out both ways this time.
Deano graded the bowl game offense an F, the defense a D-, and over all the game was an F. So he certainly isn’t minimizing the problems we have. He said something about Stoops wanting new blood on both sides of the ball after saying he had heard that Heupel will either be demoted or may possibly leave.
And he put 43 percent on MS to LSU.
Meh, I say 42 percent.
Not so confident is he?
I’m guessing he plays penny machines and only bets favorites.
I think he is just throwing darts blind folded.
Soooo there is a chance!
43% certain of his own rumor… rich!
He’s a bold one!
Deano: for entertainment purposes only.
Wondering out loud if the game was an effect of coaches knowing what the future holds. Not once did OU (coaches) look like they were prepared.
Norvell,M. Stoops,Kish dismissed. JH demoted would work just fine
What about BJW?
Well how about that.
He is reported to move off the field and into administration.
A fitting reward for his many years of faithful service recruiting and coaching.
BJW will become Director of Twitter Affairs
lol
I feel like BJW is gone.
Source.
wishing out loud thats all
Thinking I’ll hit the sack with the thoughts of TFB’s mentioning of Meacham as a possibility being our best option so far- more in the AM I’m sure…
Alright TFB, we heard “imminent” an hour and a half ago now. Any idea if that means tonight or will it be tomorrow?
id say imminent has more to do with it definitely happening rather than when
“imminent” is about when, not if. I suppose I shouldn’t expect any announcements this late on a Sunday night though. Hopefully, it’ll happen in the next 24 hours.
yeah either way i bet ol bob is in bed.
Imminent just means on the way or near.
I take imminent in this case to mean it’s already happened. I’m sure we will find out by next Monday about all the changes. I’m guessing kish will be gone and bjw will be reassigned. But I’m curious about boulware, I think he’s done a good job but I just get the feeling he’s gone.
Next monday as in a week and a nights sleep…or tomorrow
A week and a night we will probably have everything done as far as changes. I think they will want new coaches ready to go by the 15th but I imagine they will be done a few days before.
Yeah we need the new coaches to finish the deals and there is a dead period before signing day as well
Dear baby jesus, can we please have Jake Spavital and Doug Meachum? or is that going to far?!
yeah, probably too much to hope for. DM is a lot more realistic than JS, but no way we get both.
nor would we offer both
Jake is a Tulsa kid… he did interview for the Tulsa HC job. But, yeah not getting both. Got to go big or go home though lol.
For that to happen I think Heupel has to be gone too! Then you could bring in Spavital as co-oc/QBs coach and Meachum as co-oc/playcaller. If Boulware was to take that Texas job we could even bring in the Western Kentucky guy because he has TE/Special Teams coaching experience. I am all for A LOT OF NEW YOUNG MINDS in the offensive game planning room!
Drop all co titles PLEASE.
How do these changes affect recruits, like Deberry and Humphrey?
Won’t hurt DeBerry at all. Humphreys is to be determined.
That is what I would think, but he is getting a visit from A&M
We probably never land deberry without JM and hes not going anywhere. hear humphrey was tight with norvell
hard to predict. each kid is different. I don’t think this close to NSD it should have a big impact.
Interesting take from Spencer Tillman:
http://okne.ws/1xuYFCY
everybody knows that Boren has been a bigger nuisance for the program than promoter…he loves that money it brings in though…he’s a politician thru and thru
Well said…
How so?
Correction..everybody except you lol…you seriously can’t see how Boren is affecting the football team! Hell even the article hones in on his PCness
While I’m sure he touches on SOME truth and/or facts there is no one I could care less about what they think than Spencer Tillman. He is a SEC homer! He is arogant! And quite simple he is a A$$! He never supports the program, he never tries to help the program, he never picks OU to win a game, he never comes to games or visits the program but HE IS FIRST IN LINE TO COMPLAIN about the program. Can’t stand him, don’t claim him, don’t acknowledge him, got no time for him, he is no Sooner to me!!! Sorry to jump on your post Mizuno44 that guy just always rubs me the wrong way!
No worries, I do feel punched in the gut but you clearly have issues with Spencer 🙂
LOL! sorry if while taking a swing at him you got caught in the cross fire. I will be more careful next time!!!
Not the first time, nor the last. You keep swinging!
You just described Skip Bayless!
Yeah he gets on my nerves as well! LOL! I will say this though while Bayless is born and raised in Oklahoma he is not a OU grad. He is on a TV show that is all about arguing and saying shocking things to get peoples attention. I have heard him say some pretty crappy things about OU and Bob Stoops but I have also heard him come back and say I was wrong I got it all wrong and YOU WILL NEVER HEAR THAT FROM TILLMAN. So while I am not a big fan of Bayless he ranks way ahead of Tillman in my book!
Good post and Spencer is absolutely correct. I continue to be amazed at the number of OU fans who, if they don’t like the message, want to kill the messenger. Tillman is correct, and people should pay close attention to what he says.
Spencer gets it. He understands how colleges work and the challenges.
What does everybody think about Mangino?
no more old hires
Mangino is a hell of a coach. If we did a rewind hire, that would probably be the one to hire.
That said, no more old hires.
100% agreed. Must have new blood. This bloodline has been recycled so much the program is now nearly a mutant…not a cool X-Men style one either.
No problem here, good hire I would think.
Any chance we reach out to Lincoln Riley?
We should at least test the water
This all started with Bruce Kittle. Remember that guy? He had virtually no football experience at the level of an OU. That was the peak of the nepotism. Thankfully Bob’s snapped out of it.
He hired his own brother. No he hasn’t.
That’s more of the issue. Bob has definitely helped OU, but he has also taken advantage of his position to promote himself and his agenda. Not that saying that it’s unreasonable if you are still executing the office you are holding, but sometimes it seems like he has forgotten that OU is bigger than him.
Was snapped out of it.
BJR retires and JH moves into the recruiting role only. Allows room for top pay for the best candidate possible, and brings in more recruiting power. No more co anything.
Good point, Co-“Whatever” doesn’t do anything but make a good resume item…
And it excuses the opportunity to hold anyone solely accountable
Always hated “co” too. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Unless they find someone they really like though, I don’t see Heupel leaving. He’s called some real doozies, but OU has also put up a ton of points in a lot of games called by him. Maybe giving him sole responsibility and bringing in a dedicated position coach for QB and WR, will make things easier. I doubt he takes a demotion. It’d be better for his career to take an OC or HC position at a smaller program than it would be to take a demotion at OU.
Josh Heupel is being demoted from play-calling, and quite possibly, the OC position all together.
Garrick McGee any thoughts QB coach and OC.
Don’t know the name. What’s his background?
You may be a younger fella
He was an OU QB in the early 90s. Has had success as a coach with Arkansas and Louisville.
Not exactly young, but that was before my time paying attention to OU.
i would be very disappointed with helton. extremely risky imo. 1 year and that was taking over a pertino/brohm offense. brohm may still have a huge influence and he didn’t coach under them too long. didn’t coach under many other guys that are well respected either. at least with spavital he has coached under a ton of good coaches
Helton could come in as a QB/WR coach and we’d still be able to pay him more than he’s making at WKU. Then, fire Heupel and bring in Meacham for a lot more than he’s making at TCU. So, that’s an option.
if that was the case and someone else is brought in to call plays i would find that much more reasonable. Don’t think id make him the OC but it appears georgia is interviewing him maybe he is respected in the business. I honestly don’t know anything about him other than the teams on his wiki page but i would like someone with slightly more under his belt to call our plays. i like the tcu guys, lashlee, riley, spavital if we want a spread attack.
Yeah, I’m not looking for Helton to be co-OC. I’m just saying that he could be the position coach. Give the game planning, play calling, reins to the TCU OC. Between Norvell and Heupel OU is paying something like $1.1M. You could hire both of those guys for less than that.
In reality, I think every position coach is “co”. I doubt there is an asst coach in the country that doesn’t use his position coaches to help him game plan.
i would be fine with that…do norvell and heaped have guaranteed contracts do you know
They probably do. I don’t think the money would be an issue though. OU has plenty of cash to absorb things like that.
This might have been said in some posts below but the obvious next candidates up and Kish and BJW. BJW is deciding if he wants to take another position in the staff or retire, I think that’s why it hasn’t been annouced. Heupel is relieved of his duties of play calling but still is stuck in his contract and the administration is looking to work this out, probably by shopping him around. Still no word on Mike though.
I am not worried about losing recruits if it means implementing necessary coaching changes. We have perennially underachieved on certain spots that I believe are loaded with talent and I hope our roster understands that it is a results business.
Honestly, I don’t know what the REAL issue is anymore. Half the time I think that the team IS loaded with talent and they are just not being developed. Then, after what I saw versus Clemson, I think the roster is virtually devoid of true D1 ability and wonder what the heck the coaches have been doing in recruiting. Regardless, it all falls on the shoulders of the coaching staff; development or evaluation. The job is not getting done and new things must be tried.
As it stands, I am now more firmly in the camp of failures in evaluation and lower talent level on this team. Perhaps more striking than the talent level issue is the apparent lack of work ethic; it doesn’t appear any of them are getting any better (which, too, may fall to coaches failures to motivate/develop).
Disagree. Who do you deem “D1” ability? Alabama’s? Well, we owned them last year with a vastly inferior roster, no? It doesn’t explain how a teams like Oregon, Baylor and TCU who we have beat in recruiting end up either in or on the precipice of the NC this year. (Oregon is always in contention). Yes, a difference maker can help but not if you cannot develop talent and put them in a position to succeed. Example: Clemson’s play maker Vic Beasley was a 3 star athlete.
You place far more validity in the star rating system than I do, obviously. I deem “D1 ability” strictly off of the eye test. If you’re getting owned, consistently, by other D1 players (which our WRs, not named Shep, and DBs were for most of the year) then I feel that the ability is lacking. The LBs also showed this with regularity as did the QBs.
It’s one thing to be out of position due to scheme, which I saw, trust me. It’s completely another thing to look out matched, be it physically or otherwise. I saw a lot of instances this year where Oklahoma players just flat out looked out matched. A great example of this is Thomas getting trucked by the Clemson WR en route to a long TD. There are many players that just appear a step slow, smaller and weaker than the opposition. This is why I say the ability/talent seems to be lacking.
I have a feeling it’s going to get very interesting this week. I hope the coaching changes work out for coach Stoops. He has done so much for the program and been such a good role model for the young men who have come through it.
As long weed hire a 3/4 defensive guy at least with 3/4 secondary experience. The offense I can deal with I am tired of the defense looking lost and helpless.
I said “weed”.. Lol