Sooners News Daily 2.8.16
Posted on: February 8, 2016
BASKETBALL
As I said in the game thread, I expected it to be tougher than it should have been but I did not expect them to actually lose to that K-State (no offense) team. I didn’t have it in me to go back and watch my recording of the game, so being there is always such a different perspective. My five second takeaway was (1) it felt like they kind of just went thru the motions like being No. 1 meant KSU would just roll over (which they clearly didn’t) and (2) Jordan Woodard giving them literally nothing, at least in terms of points, absolutely killed them. I’m also going to resist the urge to get into the ref blame-game, primarily because I think OU played so poorly they likely lose regardless, but sweet jeezus were they terrible. Would be curious to hear some of your thoughts on the game though.
No. 1 Oklahoma falls on the road to Kansas State, 80-69. Full recap here >> https://t.co/pILsfZ38ol pic.twitter.com/rrGErd1Fx6
— Oklahoma Basketball (@OU_MBBall) February 7, 2016
Oklahoma basketball: Top-ranked Sooners upset at Kansas State https://t.co/PK1ngqk892
— Ryan Aber (@ryaber) February 7, 2016
#Sooners can't overcome Octagon of Doom, fall at K-State for fourth straight year 80-69: https://t.co/mmDL5cHdad pic.twitter.com/TvfuzfgPPe
— OU Daily Sports (@OUDailySports) February 7, 2016
With an 80-69 loss at Kansas State, Oklahoma becomes latest top-ranked team to fall https://t.co/kS7jaJOb6A
— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) February 7, 2016
Will 3-pointers lead Oklahoma to Final Four or an early exit in March? (ESPN)
Oklahoma basketball journal: Spangler tweaks knee in Sooners' loss https://t.co/FwV8ltMe76
— Ryan Aber (@ryaber) February 7, 2016
Saturday's upsets reinforce the lack of a true No. 1 this season: https://t.co/dv48hVWQYV
— Jeff Eisenberg (@JeffEisenberg) February 7, 2016
Sooners to host Longhorns in 'Big Monday' battle inside the LNC at 8 p.m. CT! #BeatTexas >> https://t.co/XgGtaYtVZk pic.twitter.com/72LDrfaqqj
— Oklahoma Basketball (@OU_MBBall) February 7, 2016
With Texas & Kansas coming to town, OU must literally defend home court. (TW – $)
#BuddyBuckets needs 5 more 3-pointers to reach 300 career treys (would be first Sooner to ever reach that plateau). #Sooners
— Oklahoma Basketball (@OU_MBBall) February 7, 2016
ESPN College GameDay is headed to Norman for OU-KU rematch on Feb. 13!! More Details >> https://t.co/H88XeCoc67 pic.twitter.com/TKJ5VRrYef
— Oklahoma Basketball (@OU_MBBall) February 6, 2016
#Sooners use strong fourth quarter to defeat TCU on Saturday!
Recap, notes & highlights: https://t.co/F6Ps8yfBvc pic.twitter.com/euHuBQLi6p
— Oklahoma Basketball (@OU_WBBall) February 7, 2016
FINAL: #Sooners pull away late to grab the victory. https://t.co/3xRv8mNLRQ pic.twitter.com/k80qXewWY4
— OU Daily Sports (@OUDailySports) February 6, 2016
Kevin Durant-Blake Griffin deal needs perfect storm, and it could be brewing, by @KBergCBShttps://t.co/muGwXrA6iE pic.twitter.com/syVod5yw29
— CBS Sports NBA (@CBSSportsNBA) February 6, 2016
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All my life as a kid I dreamed of doing something bigger than myself. Winning something that… https://t.co/8RbkWbAI0I
— Corey Nelson (@C_Ne7son) February 8, 2016
When you open your present and get just what you wanted 😂😂😂 @C_Ne7son pic.twitter.com/SF1856nZmM
— SportsDayHS (@SportsDayHS) February 8, 2016
We have a SUPER BOWL CHAMP in the family!! #SB50 #Broncos #TeamNelson #KMMfam pic.twitter.com/Lj5SNbbHoI
— Kelli Masters Mgmt (@KMMsports) February 8, 2016
Nelson & Williams have now both officially appeared in #SB50, marking 60 #Sooners all-time to play in a Super Bowl: https://t.co/T1SH6s0GA7
— Oklahoma Football (@OU_Football) February 8, 2016
Big 12 presidents say they’re unified—or at least won’t be arguing publicly—about the big issues. @USATODAYsports https://t.co/njmjKyxe9i
— George Schroeder (@GeorgeSchroeder) February 5, 2016
2015 game of the year, one to watch in 2016: Oklahoma Sooners https://t.co/VDUjxe0XhS
— ESPN Big 12 (@ESPN_Big12) February 5, 2016
Eagles are not expected to use franchise tag on QB Sam Bradford, per league sources, though they still have some interest in re-signing him.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) February 7, 2016
OTHER
Depth Carries #Sooners to Big Win. #DefendFor10
RECAP/HIGHLIGHTS/PHOTOS: https://t.co/4hcKawb2SB pic.twitter.com/XdIzgOmkGL— Oklahoma Men's Gym (@OU_MGymnastics) February 7, 2016
.@ChayseCapps sets program record in the all-around in the #Sooners' quad meet victory Friday. RECAP: https://t.co/HBN7jdkXHT #makeitcOUnt
— Oklahoma Women's Gym (@OU_WGymnastics) February 6, 2016
The #Sooners close their stellar weekend with a win over West Virginia! RECAP: https://t.co/1SG4P78v9S #makeitcOUnt
— Oklahoma Women's Gym (@OU_WGymnastics) February 7, 2016
#Sooners Top Tide in Tuscaloosa.
RECAP: https://t.co/PfhpjKSS9o pic.twitter.com/2fWzgAcpqX— Oklahoma Tennis (@OU_MTennis) February 6, 2016
North Carolina Comeback Downs #Sooners
RECAP: https://t.co/4o9aCRHx0w pic.twitter.com/qbEQhxwcEv— Oklahoma Tennis (@OU_MTennis) February 7, 2016
Sooners Dominate Stephen F. Austin for First Home Win: https://t.co/XfPeqsoJX0.
— Oklahoma Tennis (@OU_WTennis) February 7, 2016
Sigh, in other news water is still wet.
No. 7 OU fell to No. 4 Okla. State, 26-11, on Friday night. Three #Sooners registered wins in the contest.
RECAP: https://t.co/TZRPeIDY1i
— Oklahoma Wrestling (@OU_Wrestling) February 6, 2016
INFOGRAPHIC: #Sooners Land Four National TV Broadcasts. Tune in all year long.
Release: https://t.co/52RRlfaz6d pic.twitter.com/UA5jsWRljm
— Oklahoma Baseball (@OU_Baseball) February 6, 2016
Stephen Thompson stakes claim to UFC welterweight title shot with dominating win, by @KevinI. https://t.co/hQmaeOST8S
— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) February 7, 2016
Jon Jones to make return against Daniel Cormier at UFC 197 on April 23 https://t.co/jifO9ta0RX via @YahooSports
— Kevin Iole (@KevinI) February 7, 2016
A #FridayNightLights 10-year reunion is happening this summer: https://t.co/LONgZg6ZMr pic.twitter.com/uk5D2CNJre
— Us Weekly (@usweekly) February 5, 2016
Review: 'Deadpool' is the world's most violent and vulgar Bugs Bunny cartoon https://t.co/u1eRGDYKs4 pic.twitter.com/DKle803ddE
— UPROXX Movies (@UPROXXMovies) February 7, 2016
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FIRST BOOMER GOOD MORNING
Sooner!
Morning 76!
Mornin Golf
Morning Metz!
Good morning Golf!
Mornin 76
Good morning Metz!
Morning, Doc!
Morning Sam
Metzker, good morning, sir!
SOONER!!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s kick some Horn butt tonight!!
THAT is always a good plan!
Mornin Cush
Congrats Broncos – great D. Special run Mr. Manning, please retire on top. Jason Bourne again? Matt Damon, quit these before you play Bourne with a walker.
Thanks Jordan for always working hard and early!
Their D truly is spectacular
Morning, SM76!
Good morning Sam!
If they can keep cranking out The Expendables, I’d say Matt Damon can keep on playing Jason Bourne.
The Bourne movie looked pretty cool. I think they may be drumming up excitement for it then going back to the legacy storyline with Jeremy renner. I thought that one was good. And clearly he’s probably busy working on the avengers movies.
Morning, Zack!
How’s it going Sam?
Very good, Zack. It’s Monday and it feels like Monday.
Morning Cush! I like the Jason Bourne movies, but they are nothing at all like the books. The books are so much more intense. Sneaking into China and then getting a mission done and trying to get out of China. Oh well, I guess I can never expect movies to be as good as books.
Morning, Golf!
Morning Sam!
I agree with you, the books are always better. But I guess the movies would last about 8 hours, if they put everything from the books in them; to say nothing of running out of extras because of Bourne eliminating them.
True, LOL.
Morning, Cush!
Regarding the OU/KSU game, I think the following: (1) The bad team made every junk shot they threw up. They had some open looks, but it seemed like every prayer they threw toward the hoop somehow went in; (2) The good team couldn’t even hit the wide open shots they almost always knock down; (3) The bad team was allowed to play physical defense; (4) the good team was not allowed to play any defense at all; (5) The good team played with no urgency or sharpness, or not nearly enough anyway; and (6) The good team still doesn’t play very good defense much of the time.
Much like Stephen Hurt last year, Dean Wade will never have two better games than he’s played this year against OU.
When was the last OU win in Manhattan. It seems like it was forever and a year ago.
Five years ago, I think
They need to get over that hump! Not sure why it is, but it seems KSU has our number in bball.
When’s the last time we played a road game where someone didn’t have a career night against us???
Exactly. I don’t know what it is about OU Athletics, but it seems that ‘meh’ players have career days against them in both football and basketball. Wade is the perfect example of that tendency.
That was the case in Stillwater too!
Agree but Wade is very good with a high ceiling.
Live by the 3, die by the 3. This team is in desperate need of an inside game and a bench. Without either, the Sweet 16 may be the ceiling.
Depends on how well they play defense, but yes OU needs to develop an inside game to go with their outside shooting.
Other than Lattin, not sure anyone really plays defense. As long as their shooting stays hot, they can beat anyone in the country. If it goes cold, they could lose to anyone in the tourney.
I totally agree with you.
agree completely. next year figures to be a .500 type season with what returns in 2016-17………………..
I think you are like my Garman GPS: you need to recalculate. 🙂
I think you are like my Garman GPS: you need to recalculate. 🙂
Did anyone see the Texsa football tweet about Fozzy Whitaker becoming the all time rushing leader in a super bowl for a longhorn..? 26yrds. & for the losing team, while also leaving the game with an injury. REACHING….
I am so ready to get to Dallas this year and throw down with these punks. They have been so down on themselves the past few years I have forgotten about this loathing I have for Texsa. I live among horns and engage them a bit in forums. I swear, they almost have me convinced OU went 5-7 last year and Texsa made the semifinal.
I had totally forgotten about all the horn delusions, narcissism and rationalizations that used to irritate me so much. Well, they are back in my head again and I am ready to stomp ass.
I hope we get the holes in this team patched up by October. Ready for the spring game.
yes, i am tired of everyone beating texsa except us. really no excuse. we just were not prepared for them the way we should have been.
Defense win championships
Regarding OU/KSU. OU looked very flat coming out. The refs made sure Lattin wasn’t going to play in that game. Woodard didn’t do very good. Even with the Lattin fouls they should have played with more energy and they could have won. The late foul call on Cousins was crap. I can’t blame him for losing his composure. Would have liked to see Lon get more animated towards the refs to get some calls our way.
Apocalypse doesn’t look at all intimidating. I am disappointed.
My thoughts on the OU/KSU bball game come from a friend of mine that is a KU fan. I went over to his house Saturday after the game, he was having a bunch of people over for a bar-b-q. His first words to me were “Man you got screwed in Manhattan today, do you think the refs were trying to shut Boren up?” I laughed. I said, well OU did not play very well, and he said the refs wouldn’t allow OU to play well. He thought it was the worst officiated game he has seen in a long, long time. I told him I am biased and thought the refs sucked eggs, but OU still wasn’t hitting shots and they were playing like they expected to win without much effort.
that was pretty funny
LOL! Glad I could provide you with some Monday morning humor.
It was officiated closely, but it was officiated that way for both sides. I’ll never complain about officiating that is consistent.
The free-throw distribution doesn’t bear out your statement. It was absolutely not called consistently. Yes, KSU had some ticky-tack fouls called toward the end of the game on the perimeter, but inside was where they let our guys get hammered but continued the ticky-tack fouls against us. Hard to stop someone in the paint when you get whistled for looking mean at them, and hard to score in the paint when you can get shoved around on penetration.
When even the fans of other XII teams can see it, you know it’s BS.
Maybe if we’d driven more, we’d have benefited from the same calls. But we didn’t. Hard to get a shooting foul called on the other team when all you do is fire up 3’s. A FT difference between the two teams doesn’t mean squat. Not all teams drive the ball the same amount, and not all teams foul as much. I had no problems with the way the game was called, even if I thought it was called tightly.
I live in Durham, NC. I love our back court, but we’re just too small inside and lacking depth IMO. Guys off the bench other than Divynials don’t play great defense, still young and learning; they look lost sometimes. They could get hot in the tourney, but 6 games in a row is asking a lot from a team that makes most of its living shooting threes. I think a team that’s big inside like UNC would beat OU most nights. As for the KSU game, it was apparent early that OU was flat and the officiating was going to suck. Tough outing; perhaps it can help focus them. Tough week ahead.
I wonder with how dominant Von Miller was last night (every game) if that moves Eric Striker up in the draft? He plays that same role and everyone saw how that made the difference last nigh .
Striker is nowhere in the same league as Von Miller. I remember when Von Miller terrorized OU back in the day. He’s the real deal.
I would disagree about Von terrorizing OU back in the day. I did not see it that way at all. My thought was why is this guy being drafted so high, but I was obviously very very wrong! He has become one of the best in the NFL at what he does. Dude is a real athlete! I think the NFL has been a place where took raw ability and made it a craft.
I don’t remember it either. We must have had a good OL those years. I remember he had a boatload of sacks as a JR and then maybe like 10 has a SR. I just dont remember him terrorizing us.
I remember him having “suspect” injuries to slow down the offense. He’s a hell of a player now.
In the the 2010 there were three goal line plays, a 4th and goal at the 1 yard line in the first quarter, and with about two and a half minutes left in the game a 3rd and 4th and goal at the 2 yard line. On each of the three plays he couldn’t be kept out of the backfield and tackled Demarco for no gain or a loss. Two td’s that he pretty much single handedly stopped.
Not yet.
IDK. Miller weighed 6’3″ 243 at the combine, ran an official 4.53 and his explosion and agility numbers were off the bloody charts.http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/von-miller?id=2495202
That kind of stuff makes scouts drool. Striker isn’t going to have anything close to those numbers, I’d imagine but he IS a football player and will find a way onto a team doing something, IMO.
I agree completely but the weight can be added when football is all he has to worry about and Striker was pretty dominant in the college ranks. I don’t think he will ever be as good a player but that type pass rusher has to be more popular.
I can see him starting out as a special teams demon while refining some things and getting bigger. CBS currently has him at 5’11 228. Will be curious what the official numbers are.
Von in 3 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than Stirker.
In overtime OU wins 89 to 82 over Texas.
Overtimes aren’t good for my poor heart
This was too close to coming true for my liking… I blame you
Good morning Brainiacs. “It is another great day to be a SOONER”. Even after the win last night, I still have seen them lose more than they have won in the Big game. But i am still a proud Bronco’s fan. Defense was on fire, Cam could not get in to rhythm.
They really beat Cam up. I’m glad. I was getting tired of the Panthers. Also classy of Manning waiting a few days to announce his retirement instead of announcing last night and taking away from the team’s moment. Not a Broncos fan, but i have no I’lll will towards them.
Morning 47!
Morning,Golf!
Watching the Super Bowl last night, I think it’s pretty obvious that if QB is the most important position on a football team, DL isn’t far behind. Having a dominant DL can mask a lot of other deficiencies. I think OU has some good young talent, but we have to keep recruiting it, and we need to find those difference makers. Any upcoming Oklahoma DL talent that is on that level?
Amazing how much better a secondary is on a team loaded with pass rushers!
I thought the same thing a few different times. Although they do have a good secondary – when you blitz 7 and the QB still can’t find someone open, coverage is working very well.
DB’s from KU of all places.
Mangino recruit.
When you can Rush 4 drop 8. Panthers had no chance against two HOF fame pass rushers that are virtually unblockable.
10/12 times the number one defense made it to the superbowl. Won.
Pressure with 4 is huge
Man, if they were playing with 12 people all game, no wonder they won! /s
Seeing the picture at the top reminds me. Soonersports.tv needs to be available as a streaming channel on Smart TVs, Roku, Apple TV, etc. instead of just PCs, Tablets, phones. I subscribe to the premium content and it would be nice to watch the game replays, coaches shows and pressers on demand in streaming format on an actual TV. Would fix the need for a live TV network, IMO.
JE, Watching the KSU game, it felt like they had no fire and the touch fouls down the stretch on both teams really kept them out of rhythm. Overall, they really were outplayed, out hustled, and out shot. The first time that has happened all season. They need to move on and worry about Texsa tonight.
So… both of Denver’s CBs are Jayhawks.
What?
Talib is a punk..
heard he was a gang banger in HS in the metroplex. draft risk.
So the only thing our conference leaders can decide on is that Boren should shut up. Great PR move there. Boren is suggesting things that most outside of the B12 inner circle agree should at least be discussed. Their response is to offer no concrete actions other than to shut the guy up who is asking the questions.
I did hear that they are going to open their own newspaper though. The working name is Pravda.
Boren is trying to apply public pressure. Doesn’t appear to be working. We are toast as a conference. Just a matter of time.
Morning Oracle! Yes, time for OU to move! The sooner the better.
Morning Golf. I’m suffering the blah’s from football withdrawals. Roundball just doesn’t float my boat. Nothing does except Sooner Football. Must find will to live…
MLB season going to start soon. I enjoy a good baseball game. Hoping the World Champ Royals can repeat, but I’m not betting on it.
Actually , Boren is trying to deflect public pressure by making statements to appease the Sooner fanbase while, at the same time, is encouraging the league’s gag order to keep him quiet…….He gets to enjoy the best of both situations : 1.) can’t speak to assuage the fans ; 2.) continues to stay in the conference he is most comfortable with and can exert the most power in……its what politicians do………..
I’m usually noted as having a cynical viewpoint on things, but you sir, are in another Universe all together. I’m stunned.
UT, TTU, KSU, UK, ISU, WVU, OSU all realize any changes to the Big12 will cost them a ton of money or power (UT). Only OU and possibly BU and TCU, will benefit from the proposals made by Boren. The Big XII By Laws severely limit what can be said by a party to the conference.
It is a lose for everyone. Weak schools fret about having to split money more ways. OU/Tex don’t like available programs because they do nothing to improve their brand. But then no additions make CCG completely stupid which everyone agrees. Finally, LHN..no discussion needed.
Boren has created a loop that winds up back at zero.
TTU, KSU, WVU, OSU, are like a frightened bunch in a life boat. Afraid to do anything that might upset the current status. Their best hope is for the conference to somehow struggle on. The conference falls apart and they are all mid-major. Even Baylor and TCU might face significant difficulties in finding a new home as good as they have it now in the BigXII.
The big problems are that UT does not want to give up the LHN and $15M a year. They can ride this out. Go independent if they want.
There are no realistic expansion teams.
Yep. As strange as it sounds, KU might have the least amount of trouble. Baylor and TCU are nothing but good teams on the upswing. Difference between team and “program”. I would consider 1 ARK worth TCU and Baylor combined. Tiny nuisance schools with no brand outside of alumni. When you are bigtime is when the vast majority of your fans did not attend your school.
Not strange at all considering their basketball program. The ACC or perhaps the B1G would take them.
It’s not at all evident that anyone other than UT would lose money by changing the status quo. This league is uncompetitive with the other leagues and is losing a ton of money because of it.
The Big-10 is projecting $44.5M per school by the 2017-2018 school year. That compares to the $24M the B12 is pulling in. The Big-10 could give OU a half share until the GOR ran out and we would not be out very much money.
If OU leaves, the conference is dead. How much money do they lose then?
That is really it. The conference has been reactive. It was once proactive. Boren is trying to push it back into leading. In some ways I thought it was smart to wait and see how re-alignment was going to play itself out, until we painted ourselves into a corner with very few options. Now the conference has so few options that if they don’t jump on them now, those other schools won’t have to worry about what the Big XII does or does not do, it won’t exist. Boren is just working on the resolving this now, not when OU’s options dry up. OU is always going to have options, but if we are going to move he wants to make sure we get to pick.
The Big has 14 members, we have 10 so there is going to be a significant disparity in the numbers.
OU needs to find their out quickly, w/o little brother if necessary.
Uncompetitive. This recruiting cycle speaks volumes. UT is celebrating a #11 recruiting class like they won the bloody national championship and we landed the only consensus 5* recruit in the whole conference. That is not how things are supposed to work.
Those conferences don’t have a Texsa longhorn network deal holding them back.
Self interest is holding back progress.
All other conferences are unified.
Don’t forget…. We had our chance to leave.
We allowed this to happen.
The thing is the numbers are getting to the point where we can leave and there is very little economic impact. The GOR only covers home games that means we bring half our games to the new conference plus the one we can “reserve.” Pretty much means a conference can give us a half share until the end of the GOR and they and us don’t suffer financially. That’s assuming that no conference wants to kick in a little extra to help us move.
The larger the disparity between the per school revenues in the two conferences become the less the GOR means. If Boren can get any donors to chip in to cover any difference we could go and it not hurt us in the short term and help us in the long term. The more you work through the number the more you realize the GOR is not the tight handcuffs it appears to be. It may not even be necessary to challenge it in court.
Not having a Big12 network…is that actually an advantage in the case that we leave?
Great explanation and you are 100% right.
Its just a matter of time.
Without established precedence regarding GOR media contracts enforceability and therefore having no real expectation as what the true cost of violating the terms of a GOR conference realignment may be dead in its tracks for the time being..
The link below discusses those ramifications:
http://frankthetank.me/2013/08/08/summertime-conference-realignment-walking-dead-a-look-at-the-big-12-grant-of-rights-agreement/
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Holy cow that sucks eggs! Stuck in nowheresville until 2025. Unless OU can convince enough schools to leave to completely collapse the Big12, then they are stuck.
Lack of precedence could be a good thing though with the correct argument…which maybe Boren is laying the goundwork for right now?
The thing is the numbers are getting to the point where we can leave and there is very little economic impact. The GOR only covers home games that means we bring half our games to the new conference plus the one we can “reserve.” Pretty much means a conference can give us a half share until the end of the GOR and they and us don’t suffer financially. That’s assuming that no conference wants to kick in a little extra to help us move.
The larger the disparity between the per school revenues in the two conferences become the less the GOR means. If Boren can get any donors to chip in to cover any difference we could go and it not hurt us in the short term and help us in the long term. The more you work through the number the more you realize the GOR is not the tight handcuffs it appears to be. It may not even be necessary to challenge it in court.
A significant number of Big XII teams would be out in the cold should the conference implode. Who would take most of the teams? Probably the best that could happen for many would be something like the old SWC reborn and rebuilt around UT. They might do alright but there are significant risks which would give most of the Big XII pause.
As for the half share. The current Big XII TV contract covers all the home games for all the schools. The only exclusion is the one tier 3 game retained by the schools. Suppose OU has two home non-conference games. OU could reserve one as the tier 3 game but OU would receive no money from the other game but would have to pay the visiting team. Not good. Settling for a half share would mean OU would lose more than half the TV revenue until the GOR and TV contracts expire in about 10 years. You really think OU would do that?
First you are counting the lost revenue twice in the non conference games. We don’t lost the B-12 money and money from the home games since those are folded into the B-12 conference GOR. The only money we lose is for the 1st and 2nd tier rights we lose under the B-12 GOR. We still have third tier rights and all the other revenues we make like ticket sales and concessions.
That loss is balanced by the revenue from the conference we go to. In the case of the Big-10 that would be $1.75M/year if they gave us a half share since their shares are so much bigger. That’s not a lot given the numbers in these discussion. In fact, if our addition to the B10 added enough value to their network we could actually end up with more money.
As for the half share issue. I think most of the conferences want OU, they will probably be willing to incentives us to come. In return they get all our conference away games plus our best home game since we get to chose the game. Put those all together and that should be worth half a share.
I’d hate the travel in the B10 scenario, but we could really provide a boost to the Iowa side of the B10 and OU vs tOSU, MICH championship games would be epic.
How about games versus LSU, Bama, Arkansas, TAMU, Mizzou, and Auburn? Granted I think we’d own the B1G most years with our athletes (battling OSU), but it’s cold old up there.
Sorry Bob, we lose all the Big 12 television revenues. The By-Laws say: “The Grant of Rights Agreement which will remain in full force and effect as to such Withdrawing Member and the Withdrawing Member shall continue to be fully bound under the Grant of Rights Agreement after Withdrawal for the remainder of the term of any Grant of Rights Agreement as if it remained a Member of the Conference, but the Withdrawing Member shall not be entitled to payment of any amounts or any other benefits arising under the Grant of Rights Agreement after Withdrawal.” IOW, you forfeit all revenue from all home games (except the one tier 3 game) for the duration of the GOR/TV contracts, ie, another ten years.
There are also other provisions about a buyout penalty equal to two years of revenue that would have been received from the Big XII.
We would get some revenue from participating in a different conference. But, OTOH, it’s not clear how a new conference would view the fact that their conference games at OU to to the Big XII. That could be a deal killer.
Who signed the GOR? Could he legally bind the State for million of $? Does he actually have that level of authority. No CEO of a Fortune 100 company has the authority to bind their corporation for tens of millions.
Personally, I think it’s a smokescreen.
Can’t answer that question but the networks thought the authority was sufficient. I doubt they would have agreed to accept the GOR if their lawyers were not completely satisfied. It would be nice if it were a smokescreen but that’s probably wishful thinking.
I seriously doubt the lawyers would bring it up. After all, it’s the way out. But if Boren had that much authority, then the State is in deep doo doo.
It would be the job of the lawyers to bring matters like that up. I managed several major programs with very large contracts. Every line, every word was examined by legal staff. Every question had to be answered to their satisfaction.
This topic, whether Boren had that authority was discussed elsewhere. I believe the answer was that Boren did not have the authority to commit the state. However, contracts by OU were not committing the state, ie, OU was a separate legal entity for contractual purposes.
Well, being a lawyer and knowing something about how things work, I have a couple of thoughts. Essentially, I believe the GOR isn’t enforceable, but I doubt the University Presidents are eager to challenge it. Thus Texas wins, ESPN and OU lose.
First, the networks don’t care much about the grant of rights because they weren’t a party to the 4 page document. They have no stake in it.
Second, we’s have to look at the bond sold to fund the expansion and other bonds the University may have. If OU lost the tv money, it would surely impact he Universitiy’s ability to pay these bonds. The State wouldn’t let OU default, nor would they give up the stadium. Can you see a private entity owning the stadium. I would expect the State to fund the bond and cut OU’s budget modestly (not too much so as to not impact the educational side. Of course pay cuts for coaches would be likely too.
So the separate legal entity argument, though legally true, is not practical. Oklahoma taxpayers are ultimately on the hook for the expansion if OU can’t raise the money.
The issue is, will OU take the risk of losing on the GOR. I don’t see any Administrator having the balls to take the risk, certainly not Boren. Which is why the other Presidents told him to shut up.
Unfortunately, we’re stuck for several years. If the football team continues to win the conference championship, we can survive while the bottom 6 become less competitive.it all rests on the players and coaches.
One final point, college football faces a severe existential threat, the passing of the Baby Boomer generation. While we were able and eager to donate and attend football games, Generation X and Millenials have yet to display the same commitment. The revenue model will have to change drastically to compensate.
I do take exception to your claim that the networks don’t care about the GOR. While they are not a party, they certainly do care. The networks contracted with the conference to obtain a product. Without the GOR, the conference would have no product to sell. Consequently, the networks do care since they would suffer an adverse event should the GOR prove to be unenforceable.
I do take exception to your claim that the networks don’t care about the GOR. While they are not a party, they certainly do care. The networks contracted with the conference to obtain a product. Without the GOR, the conference would have no product to sell. Consequently, the networks do care since they would suffer an adverse event should the GOR prove to be unenforceable.
they can alway form new conferences and take on other teams from other conferences.
They certainly could form a new conference. It wouldn’t be a Power conference and their TV revenues and prestige would suffer. The lawsuits blaming OU would fly.
Well, if our recruiting leaped way up as expected and we provided more exciting games against more blue bloods I have a feeling the BMDs start chipping in a lot more$$$ to the program…perhaps offset the costs?
Why would our recruiting improve by changing conferences? The SEC doesn’t get the best recruits. The best schools in the SEC get the best recruits.
Kids want to play for champions. We improve our play and get in the playoffs for a few years and our recruiting will improve.
Playing two/three/four blue bloods every year would be great for the fans but terrible for the won/lost ratio.
Don’t count on it.
Boren is quietly stirring up the UT fan base with his comments from what I’ve seen across the net. They see through what he is doing and are wondering what their move is if he makes a play.
Morning Bob! No kidding! Seems a bunch of schools are cowering in the shorthorns shadow and are afraid to speak against them. Time for OU to move!
Boren/OU are in a quite of a predicament. Texsa has set the standard for self interest in this conference. All the other schools because of Texsa are watching what is best for themselves. None of the other conferences has a program that holds back progress than the big12 with Texsa. Unfortunately, its already cost this conference 4 teams. OU/Boren are the minority group.
Bookmark this post. Watch for OU & KU to the B1G.
B1G is a boring conference. who wants to travel to the cold north every year. join the SEC and get some respect and 5 star recruits. and better travel destinations.
The B1G gets as much love as the $EC does on E$PiN. I also think the B1G is where Boren would like to land. That conference has stricter academic guidelines than the $EC.
This.
It is hard to come to terms with going to the SEC. Most folks havent mentally made it that far to the reality. It isn’t appealing in many ways, but it really is the only thing that is geographically realistic unless we really go large with the PAC12 and add a full FOUR Big12 teams to balance the travel.
Really after you think about the SEC, it would be a blast every Saturday. I question a lot of things about the SEC, but fan passion isnt one of them. Thought of it makes me feel dirty though.
You would need to make that argument to Mr. Boren, not to me.
Research money, that helps fill the gap of the University funding cuts, comes from the B1G or the Pac 12.
At this point, I don’t care as long as Texas doesn’t go with us. I want us to leave the Big XII. The conference is clearly fractured. Texas is looking out for Texas. The others are dependent on the tv contract in order to stay solvent. We aren’t. We don’t need any of them if we go to anther conference. We were stupid to go with the tier 3 concept, because we can’t make the revenue Texas got (which is more than ESPN should have paid). Joe C. And Boren were too optimistic.
Frankly, these guys aren’t businessmen. They’ve been riding the easy wave, now it’s getting tougher. When they should have been making sure donors were happy, they decided to substantially ramp up our donation in order to pay for a stadium expansion that is primarily for corporate interests. Maybe it will work, but it was a big risk taken just as the global economy slows, oil prices collapse and the stock market sinks.
I can’t believe that Boren or the Regents had the authority to sign a GOR worth millions. I don’t believe any University other than TCU or Baylor had the authority to pledge that kind of money. If they do, the the State of Oklahoma lacks the appropriate controls to protect the State from stupidity.
If it turns out we are stuck in this losing conference, the Oklahoma taxpayer could be on the hook for the stadium renovation. How happy will donors be if The conference continues to slip. Watch for OSU, TT, ISU and KSU to slide over the next 3 years to be like KU. That won’t help.
Just keep alienating the best football program in the conference. Way to go B12, keep the attitude that ran off Huskers, Aggies, mizzOU, and CU
I’m not even going to comment on Boren’s opinions as far as the direction of the conference. He is an effective politician though, and has done more to move the conversation along than seemingly anyone else. He at least seems to know that the current form of the conference is neither sustainable nor acceptable.
Might be Boren is spouting off to pacify the fanbase while, behind his back, applauding the KSU statement which effectively silences him. Politicians are adept in such maneuvering………
He could be a Dalmatian for all I know. But I try not to speculate too hard or buy in to conspiracy theories. I wouldn’t be shocked if what you say had some truth to it either though.
I can assure you, with 100% certainty, he is not doing that.
Boren is CEO of Wallflower Inc. LLC.
Jennifer Lawrence. Meh.
Boren wouldn’t be publicly making statements unless he had two very defined plans on his mind.
One to boalster the Big12
One to bolt from the Big12.
Putting a gag order on Boren won’t change that from taking place.
That game was rough Saturday. We are missing some “nasty” under the basket. Spangler has to be dinged up, cause he used to play with some of that blue collar mentality. Lattin is battling, but even he isn’t rebounding well enough imo.
It’s a long season. It was one game. Consider me not in the least concerned yet. Double digit loss to Texas tonight and there might be a bigger problem.
Oh and the refs were absolute garbage. Both ways. They decided to call every touch for several minutes there in the second half. At least be consistent. Yikes.
Was anyone else really happy to see Cam Newton lose and pout afterwards? I’m not a Broncos fan, but I just really don’t like the guy. I wonder what he’s going to do with those “MVP” shoes he had on. Hoping he tries to give them to a child and is refused. Loser shoes.
It did my old heart good to see Newton humbled. That last sack was especially good. This guy has been a jerk along with his corrupt father for a long time.
I will never in life root for the denver donkeys!
i hope mike stoops was taking notes on the denver defense. why can’t we do that and be mean and nasty?
I mean youre talking about one of the best defenses in the history of football. That’s a pretty high bar.
Having 2 hall of fame pass rushers help. difference in the ball game was Denver’s pass rush vs Carolina Oline pass protection. It’s the Jimmie’s and the Joe’s not x’s and O’s.
So I’m blowing up the comments section today. Slow day already at work.
Can we discuss pro’s/con’s of going independent? I know it sounds nuts, but if ND can do it, why can’t we? Stay in the Big12-2 for every other sport. Independent in football.
Notre Dame has a cult fan base and every game is nationally televised on NBC
It’s only every home game, and I would suspect NBC would give us a similar fat deal for each of ours.
I think even Notre Dame has sort of a loose affiliation with the ACC?
For whatever reason Texsa people I know used to be all about “well, we can just go independent.” They don’t believe that anymore and they are the richest program in the country. Getting a schedule together each year is one problem.
I think they’re in it for basketball? I really don’t see scheduling as a huge problem. Nebraska might take us back on a yearly. Texas and OSU would hopefully keep us yearly. I think it could work.
Oh and I don’t care about Texas, or what they believe. 🙂
We can be each teams “toughie” opponent that the CFP wants all teams to play at least one of from now on. lol.
But we have to think of lean years. They can happen. We’ve been blessed with Stoops. If we went through another Blake period we’d probably want some conference protection while we lick our wounds.
Agreed. It would be a crucible each year. But kids want to play in big games. That’s a selling point if nothing else.
ND must play a certain amount of ACC opponents in football as well. Check out their schedule. Going independent is NOT a good idea.
Because….? Give me somethin. Slow day, lol.
First of all, OU relinquishes all 1st and 2nd tier media rights to the Big12 through 2025. No way possible to get out of that. Second, OU would be losing money because of that deal. Being an independent is not the way to go. BYU is hurting because of it, ND is surviving because NBC bet on them years ago and then ND became affiliated with the ACC, giving them more money.
Yeah we would most definitely have to have our media rights to pull it off. I wonder if there’s a way to get them back if we make the argument that the conference was in breach of that contract somehow.
Pretty darn tough to do that.
It’s only every home game, and I would suspect NBC would give us a similar fat deal for each of ours.
There are 69M Catholic’s there are 4M people living in OK. That tells you the relative size of the TV markets. That tells you the relative sizes of the revenue streams you are talking about.
With 17x the population base ND still had to join the ACC for non football sports to be able to run their programs. The numbers just don’t work for us.
This is probably the best reason for not doing it I’ve heard so far.
If I’m playing DA, I’d ask to see the ratings. Do they actually pull better ratings than our games do?
CFP is hard enough to get in with a conference affiliation. If you’re cut out of that it’ll decimate recruiting.
Notre Dame has neither problem. Why do you think they are the only team that can pull it off?
Apparently, being in the Big 12 has not helped OU get in with all the criticism on the Big 12 doesn’t have a title game and doesn’t “play defense” mantra. I say got to SEC or B1G or independent.
The KSU Prez looks like he’s stuck in the 40’s and perhaps that’s part of the mindset the Big12 has against them? Who knows? Boren like Nebraska isn’t going to let a minor league program lead him around convincing him that everything is the way it should be.
The KSU Prez looks like he’s stuck in the 40’s and perhaps that’s part of the mindset the Big12 has against them? Who knows? Boren like Nebraska isn’t going to let a minor league program lead him around convincing him that everything is the way it should be.
Re: OU / KSU game.
First I will say I love this team. They seem like great guys and their poise and ability to keep cool in games earlier this year has been amazing (LSU KU for example). That probably has a lot to do with their experience / age.
But they clearly had an off night both physically and mentally Saturday evening while KSU had a fantastic night, especially shooting. I mean how many times did we hear “this guy has only shot four three pointers all year and made only one and that’s his second of the night”? With that said, my take FWIW.
Defense, defense, defense.
They have to do more than just slow a drive to the basket. KSU would drive and as soon as backside help moved over, they dished for easy points at the basket. Perimeter defense has to improve. The “let ’em drive, let Latin go for a block and let Spangler get the rebound” has to change.
On offense they have to drive to the basket more often. This pulls the perimeter defense in and opens the outside shot. Plus, if your outside shooting is off, it opens up the inside game (higher percentage shots) and forces more fouls by the defense. That’s a big reason for the discrepancy at the foul line.
Blocking out on defensive boards has to improve. If OUr guys block out just a little better then we would see more “over the back” fouls called.
Finally, KSU got in their head. Even when there were breaks between plays you could see the KSU players bumping into the OUr players.
I agree the refs were inconsistent and maybe even a little one sided. But frankly OUr team is good enough they should have over come that against KSU.
Defense, effort, rebounding. Those were really all absent. Lots of standing. Lots of dribbling. No boxing out. KSU getting tip-in after tip-in off missed FTs is ridiculous.
Let’s say that OU does leave the Big XII; do we still sched our largest rival in texsa as a non-conf game every year? If so, do we shift it to a home and home?
There’s bound to be a lot of hard feelings if we bolt to another conf so nixing the game altogether isn’t beyond reason.
Let’s say that OU does leave the Big XII; do we still sched our largest rival in texsa as a non-conf game every year? If so, do we shift it to a home and home?
There’s bound to be a lot of hard feelings if we bolt to another conf so nixing the game altogether isn’t beyond reason.
It seemed to work ok when we were in seperate conferences before the big 12, every year in Dallas as an out of conference game.
that was then, this is now- the reason teams (Neb, a&m, Col an Mizzou) left has a lot to do with texsa and I have a feeling that the bridge crossing the RR might just burn as well if we were “forced” to leave just to survive.
Too much money to lose for either team if we don’t play each other. What other big game to does texsa play besides OU. NONE
too bad for texsa then, come to the table with a willingness to compromise
the T-sippers think too much of themselves to do that, hahahahaha
If we leave OSU behind and schedule them as an out of conference game as well as Texas, it wouldn’t leave much flexibility in scheduling, I guess. If OSU ends up in an ” outside-looking-in” conference rather than a Power 5, we may not want to schedule them anyway.
We regularly schedule Tulsa.
Yeah, I was mainly referring to texsa as the out-of-conf game, not worried about osu except maybe a couple of times every 10 years game
-or- having thought about it a bit more, doing away w/texsa altogether and keeping little bro as one of our out-of-conf games every year, protecting that rivalry at least
I say drop the texsa game just so that they take a PR hit: send a message that they are so difficult to work with that neither OU or aTm wants to play them, ending a rivalry that’s over a 100 years old.
yep- whatever we lost by not playing texsa would surely be made up for by playing whoever it would be in a stronger conference
I can see where scheduling a P5 OOCG if we move to the B1G. But if OU went to the SEC, they’d get the full benefit of OOCG, the same as the SEC currently enjoys.
I hope so. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.
I hear a lot of support for keeping the game when I talk to UT fans on the interwebs. They really value this game. Not like TAMU.
It will be a shame if either OU or TX change this game at all. Like was mentioned below, it worked out fine in Dallas when OU and TX were in different conferences before.
Still hope it doesn’t come to that. Both OU and TX are better off in the Big 12, if they can get it working the way it needs to work. I didn’t get hung up on losing Nebraska, or Colorado, or the other two teams that left, but I don’t want to lose the history we have with UT, and the other remaining Big 8 teams, to go join a conference that will never feel like “ours”.
Texas has already lost their other main rival in TAMU. They will be in a world of hurt if they don’t schedule us either.
F*** Texsa.
I don’t want them to have us a quality loss or quality win on their schedule
Especially if we go to the SEC. We will have new rivalries and a much tougher schedule.
SEC is under pressure to schedule tougher OOC games right now. Remember they also take that extra “bye week” towards the end of the year against weak schools in addition to season openers.
I like your first thought. Tuck Fexas!
If we find ourselves in different conferences, I would expect they would try to keep it for $$. But MizzU vs KU went away. So did TsuX vs Tamu. Would be nice to se OU vs NE renewed as in conference games rather than waiting til like 2021.
my ideal (to me) solution for saving the Big XII is for texsa to relent and for Neb and Iowa to join- for starters
I had a friend that lives in Lincoln. Nebraska is extremely happy in the Big10 even though they are down right now.
I like that idea. Have heard Nebraska is unhappy in B10. IMO we need to add bigger names and programs than Cinn or Uconn or Houston. I’m ok with BYU.
and add Arkansas, although, I doubt they’d ever leave the SEC
Rather join SEC. The top players play in that conference. There is no way OU will not have a top 10 class EVERY year playing in the SEC.
Agree D. OU in SEC should dominate because the talent pool thinks that’s the only place to go.
We did for 80 years, before the Big XII
The “official” word from the Big12 meetings concerns me. It tells me they are more worried about how the Big12 looks vs what they do. Either TsuX has pushed back and told the others how it will be or the others are just idiots.
I can see them being hush hush and working between now and later this year to get behind the scenes stuff done to get more teams in, but why put a gag order (so to speak) in place unless they want to shut up someone who has been vocal about the conference (Boren)?
I think a person as smart as Boren had a Plan B lined up before he even spoke out. I will be amazed if we are in the Big 12 two years from now and look for some of the schools that backed Boren to bolt with us to another conference.
The issue is not just that they told Boren to shut up but they said it publically. The right way to do this was to announce the formation of a committee to investigate it thus giving the appearance that they listened to Boren. Then they could bury it committee for ever if they didn’t want to do anything. Instead they publically reprimanded Boren, in effect saying they weren’t going to do anything. They pretty much pushed us out the door if we have another option.
Agreed Bob 100%.
Could not agree with your more, Bob.
no doubt…stupid. I imagine what was left of Boren’s motivation to stay in the Big 12 is long gone
Well, what’s it going to be Bob, SEC or Big 10?
TU has less leverage right now than they ever have. When they made that deal with LHN, they didn’t imagine the B12 getting into this state. Now the LHN is an albatross if they want to join a new conference. One that OU does not have around its own neck.
The LHN is Texas lifeline in case they decide they want to go independent.
How? You have to have content that someone outside of texsa wants to see. In addition, you have to expand your market, grow your audience. I don’t care about the LHN. The math doesn’t add up: 1 State divided by 50= 2%. When you subtract all of the other Texas schools, you’re left with 1% of the nation caring about texsa athletics.
Edit: that deal they currently have with ESPiN is going to get renegotiated. It won’t be as lucrative.
Tex gets a check either way.
Probably, but we’d be done with them. They need us more than we need them.
Definitely. They are stuck without a conference unless they want to pay ESPN back. Nobody will take LHN.
I think that is Boren’s angle with them. We leave and they are stuck or they pay. If they want to keep Big12 then they must pay. Either way.
I think if Texas is going to have to pay they’d just as soon leave for a better conference that has a sweet Network in place already.
I don’t want Boren to change his mind if texsa cries “uncle” in the 11th hour. Aside from getting rid of the LHN, the Big XII needs to add two quality teams. There aren’t any.
I don’t want Boren to change his mind if texsa cries “uncle” in the 11th hour. Aside from getting rid of the LHN, the Big XII needs to add two quality teams. There aren’t any.
You are making a fundamental mistake in underestimating the size of the egos associated with the University of Texas. They fully believe the world revolves around Austin, Texas and cannot imagine that they are not comparable to Notre Dame.
If it brings about there demise, I’m all for it. LOL!
As long as everyone else in Big 12 cows down to TsuX, they have all the leverage they need. Plus, from what I’ve seen recently, ESPN would be just as happy to drop the LHN as TX would be. Probably more so.
Problem is TsuX has more $$ to absorb losses.
I think Boren is just preparing the Big 12 for the inevitable. The only question is which conference we end up in.
Good morning fellow Sooners! Fun Superbowl to watch. (Not a Carolina fan). Glad Manning got to go out this way.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!! texa$$ still sucks and I’m ok if they fall off in the ocean or a sinkhole.
The ocean is a step up from Austin right?
Starting Bronco defense for the Super Bowl Champs had SIX 2 Stars, three 3 Stars and only two 4 Stars.
I guess stars didn’t matter on that Championship defense!
That puts this whole “star” thing in perspective. It’s hard to judge how a person that age is going to develop, what kind of work habits they will develop, and how injury free they’ll be.
Staring Bronco CB was from Bixby, Oklahoma, 2 Time Pro Bowler, Chris Harris Jr.
UDFA I believe
Wade Phillips is a great DC. Highlights the importance of a good coach and his relationship with his players. He gets the best out of guys and always has them in good position to make plays.
This is a statistical illusion if you will.
There are exponentially more (quantity) of 2 and 3 stars as there are 5 stars. It’s pretty well documented that the higher star rating you have, the more likely you are to produce at a high level.
i think I have to disagree a bit with that assessment Maverick. The reason being that with team members aren’t limited by the player choice. In college, 5* players pretty much can go where THEY want.. in the League, 5* or any player goes where the money tells them. So if a team wants, it can have ALL 5* playing.. evidently, Denver wanted none and found players of lesser stars able to produce at a level high enough to be World Champs.
I do think it shows just how hard it is to watch a 16-18 yr old boy and figure out what he’ll turn into as a 20-22 young man as college Jr.Sr…let alone a 25-30 yr old NFL’er pro. A lot of the development occurs between the ears and thatcan be tough to measure! NFL tries with the Wunderlick (sp)
I think we agree actually. I wasn’t saying that all 5 stars pan out and become all-pro. It’s just more likely for them to than it is a 2 star.
So saying that no 5 stars were playing doesn’t mean that 5 stars aren’t good, or that they aren’t more likely to be all-pros.
I agree to agree that we agree… I think! 😉 I do think being a college recruiter and or pro sports scout takes a lot of knowledge of the sport, some ability for psychological evaluation, a lil bit of fortune teller complete with crystal ball, and a whole lotta luck!
Summary of KSU loss:
Fouls – KSU shot 30 FTs, OU shot 17. Typical Big 12 home-cooking forced OU to have little inside defensive or offensive presence, and allowed Iwundu to do basically whatever he wanted. Lattin in early foul trouble and eventually fouled out. OU tried to play help defense, but only ended up leaving shooters open. Cousins fouled out for kicking a ball after getting frustrated being called for a foul on a steal attempt…but I don’t blame him, because it was as clean of a steal as you can possible get under the new rules. He should’ve held his composure, but he’s an emotional guy, and OU was getting jobbed most of the night.
Poor shooting + career night for the mildkittens – OU shot 25% from 3, KSU shot out of this world for what they’re usually capable of.
The biggest thing that concerned me, personally, was the lack of defensive rebounding. That’s now been an issue for 3 straight weeks, and no fix appears to be in sight. Granted, KSU did a LOT of over the back-type stuff that wasn’t called, but ultimately you just have to come down with the boards on defense.
not so upset about the Kstate loss…after watching Carolina lose, maybe some losses now will keep us focused and give us some adversity to keep fighting
I hope this dosent signal that boren is going to go with the flow, which is what put this conference in the predicament its in now.
Time to have a really, really good lawyer look through the language of the GoR and find an out.
Boren needs to hire Borne.
Is that like a famous lawyer?
Is that like a famous lawyer?
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t Boren the one who put us into this GoR straight-jacket? Once Colorado and Missouri bolted, he seemed to have remorse about his role in potentially blowing up the Big 12, so he decided to reverse course and chain OU to the anchor of this sinking conference.
I completely disagree with the idea that OU was sleepwalking through a game at KSU. These guys (Woodard, Spangler, Cousins, Hield) have had a tough time with KSU in just about every game of their career. I believe we lost both games last year. None of them have ever won in Manhattan. 1 or 2 KSU guys seem to have their best game of the year when they play us. The last couple games, it was the big Hurt kid. This time, their talented freshman had a career night. I have no doubt KSU came in to this game confident. I can’t put my finger on OU’s struggle with KSU but I think most of it is mental at this point.
Not to brag or anything but I am walking with the Blonde Tennis player from that tennis post in a wedding in a couple of weeks. Let the jealousy flow