Sooners News Daily 2.5.16
Posted on: February 5, 2016
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Through 100 wins, Kruger has restored championship culture in Norman >> https://t.co/j1INre2Sc6 pic.twitter.com/VvSBfHbQa4
— Oklahoma Basketball (@OU_MBBall) February 4, 2016
The Wooden Award race is officially over. Here's why: https://t.co/QZhismxBeb
— Eamonn Brennan (@eamonnbrennan) February 4, 2016
OU basketball: Buddy Hield, Ryan Spangler keep an eye on other teams, players https://t.co/jzYNvmCFrd
— Ryan Aber (@ryaber) February 5, 2016
The #Sooners haven't won in Kansas State's 'Octagon of Doom' since 2012: https://t.co/B0G6XT7HVD pic.twitter.com/ddsOXfFPTl
— OU Daily Sports (@OUDailySports) February 5, 2016
OU writer @Jordan_Esco joins the podcast to talk Signing Day and Sooners at Wildcats. https://t.co/Vlr4aBSVez pic.twitter.com/KzVqW4Nq2F
— Bring On The Dudes (@BringOnTheCats) February 4, 2016
The Woj Report: @WojVerticalNBA looks at Blake Griffin's future in Los Angeles. Watch: https://t.co/p77VyjMTWQ pic.twitter.com/nYyLY9hr5k
— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) February 5, 2016
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This helps get a better idea of the work being done for @OU_Football pic.twitter.com/2lEvlnpIDw
— SoonerKeith (@SoonerKeith1) February 4, 2016
.@KSherringtonDMN: Despite window dressing recruiting success of others came at OU's expense https://t.co/vW3J9iH3FD pic.twitter.com/Aj1tCgaucx
— SportsDayDFW (@SportsDayDFW) February 5, 2016
Crunch time for Big 12 as data team, consultants take 'deep dive' into analytics on title game, expansion, network.https://t.co/BDqCTQ8Rnh
— Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) February 5, 2016
While we're waiting on Big 12 ADs, here's @bhorn55 on why there is no simple route to a Big 12 Network.https://t.co/q1udvU4qcA
— Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN) February 4, 2016
According to FPI, here are the top five college football teams for 2016:
#1- LSU
#2 – Florida St
#3 – Oklahoma
#4 – Clemson
#5 – Tennessee— ESPNU (@ESPNU) February 4, 2016
NCAA Football Rules Committee will discuss possible modifications to the instant replay/targeting rule: https://t.co/VlpxhCSYgr
— NCAA News (@NCAA_PR) February 4, 2016
The #Eagles and RB DeMarco Murray appear headed towards a stare down on his future https://t.co/xggt92yVnP
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 4, 2016
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#Sooners Fourth in Big 12 Coaches Poll.
Release: https://t.co/po10LdvtUo pic.twitter.com/vdMp2WTuTt
— Oklahoma Baseball (@OU_Baseball) February 4, 2016
Check out part two of our #Sooners Scouting Report series!
Today we focus on OU's infield: https://t.co/lDxAD7OyXz pic.twitter.com/rTJbPVPZjn
— Oklahoma Softball (@OU_Softball) February 4, 2016
#Sooners' big road weekend starts Friday night vs. Alabama.
PREVIEW: https://t.co/afCI9IWiLC pic.twitter.com/o1g0arpObW— Oklahoma Tennis (@OU_MTennis) February 4, 2016
The second #Bedlam contest of the season is set for tomorrow in Stillwater.
PREVIEW: https://t.co/DkvNz2G4rJ pic.twitter.com/f7fsqEm27M
— Oklahoma Wrestling (@OU_Wrestling) February 4, 2016
OU Adds to Top-16 List, Women Rise in Rankings! Read More…https://t.co/gjBa2sVEFB #BoomerSooner pic.twitter.com/E0EKXDXCFe
— Oklahoma T&F & XC (@OU_Track) February 4, 2016
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— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) February 5, 2016
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Good Morning Sooner brethren!
BC, good morning!
Morning Sam!
Second BOOMER here good morning.
S⭕️⭕️NER
Sooner!
SOONERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Recruits or not Texass still sucks
Happy Friday!
dude…..you’re on your tractor awful early today. Does Tramonda make it to stillwater?
Wheels up from Austin ✈️?. Get me the hell outa here!
TGIF & B⭕️⭕️MER ‼️
I hate… HATE texsa. But I love Austin…
Be careful down there… ya never know what you’re in for
Wearing my Sooner pullover with pride. Nice city if it wasn’t for all that gawd awful ??
I remember the first time I hit Sixth Street down there, saw a bunch of hot girls, it was great until I noticed the longhorn on their shorts. ugh. I didn’t let that get in the way though.
Does anyone else feel like if Rhonda loses again she might flame out?
yes
Spring football can’t get here fast enough. Ready to hear reports of the players who are pushing for a starting role this fall.
I love spring football reports, its actually how I got introduced to this site.
Any guess on who’ll stand out?
Deberry
Cody Ford and Kyler Murray (if he’s allowed to scrimmage).
I would like to hear about at least two WRs who can’t be covered. OU has had the problem of one standout receiver and a party of scrubs. Imagine if OU finds two Sterlings and a TE to patrol the middle. With Perine and Mixon doing work on the ground, every DC in college football will sweat bullets.
True, if Baylor and TCU can do it, why can’t we?
Not a pessimist but that article about recruiting at OUs expense does have some truth to it. I am still baffled as to how teams like LSU, Texas and A&M can have such mediocre seasons, so much turmoil in their staffs and management, and still end up with top 10 classes. Just doesn’t make any sense.
On the other hand, we had a fantastic year and we were left scrambling at the end, a bit.
Here is to hoping that the trend of the Bob’s staff being better coaches on field than those other guys continues.
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I get what you’re saying, it’s the optimist in me that makes me hate articles such as this. This is meant to make its readers believe OU can’t win if it doesn’t recruit Texas well. That’s far from the truth. A great player is a great player.
In my view, Stoops has did what great leaders do: he has changed his course in order to be successful. Can you imagine if Stoops goes all in on Texas and doesn’t get these kids. He would be scrambling and offering anyone.
Instead, he is very much in tune with the changing landscape and he has altered his course. He will be successful. If you don’t believe me, take a look at all of the non-Texas school that have relied on Texas. Tell me where they are today. Keep a close eye on OSU, that will be more proof.
Good morning TFB friends. It’s Friday and we’ve poured through another week. Congratulations!
I see folks are starting to criticize Stoops for not signing more Texas recruits.
What a crock that is. I’m a journalist, well I majored in journalism. I was always taught to cover both sides of the story, equally and fairly. But they didn’t, none of them did. Especially Trammel, who is an attention whore.
You might be wondering what, as far as covering both sides of the story, did they miss, not cover? What would I, Sam, want to see they discuss that would have made me say “now that’s great coverage, there.”
Consider these things:
1. What has it meant to texsa recruits for TCU, texsa, Baylor
2. Despite the fact that texsa’s, TCU’s and Baylor’s roster is nearly 100% Texans, they have three conference championships between them, despite OU losing its grip there.
If the SEC schools are recruiting Texas, they’re not recruiting in their back yard. What doest hat mean to the bottom feeders in the SEC and other surrounding conferences. (That’s a story within itself, by the way.
While Stoops seems to missing out on Texas recruits, he’s still managing 10 wins a season.
Nice read there Sam.Fire Stoops /S
Good morning, Metzker.
Why are we holding OU to a higher standard than we do texsa as far as where Texas’ recruits are going?
Why is texsa losing out to Ole Miss and Bama when they are the flagship program in Texas?
Geeeee ya got me idk.As Mojo says i rekon we will just keep trudging along.
It is because we don’t pay our players.
Exactly. Plus, Stoops is against the negative recruiting as well.
Do you believe Coach X in the ESPiN article is Charlie Strong?
I think Charlie is gone this year and if the big 12 doesn’t kill the LHN network OU goes to big 10 or SEC. We need to add two teams although if we win out this year we are in.
With that schedule, it’d be hard to deny.
Houston is going to be tough.
Until they get punched in the mouth. If Mike turns the dogs loose, let them eat, this D is going to be nasty.
We beat Houston I think we crush the OHIO State U
I don’t know that we crush tOSU. But some experts project tOSU to have 7 first round draftees and 11 in the first four rounds of this year’s NFL draft. That should give us an advantage in talent and a decided advantage in experience come September 17. I’ll settle for just a W.
They may lose a lot of talent but they are still going to win at least 10 games.
Ohio St will only lose one game next year , that will be against Oklahoma. JT Barrett is good but not great , if you stop the read option , Ohio St has no chance.
They may lose a lot of talent but they are still going to win at least 10 games.
Ohio St is going to reload big time.
That game is huuuuuuge
Ohio St is going to reload big time.
That game is huuuuuuge
Any CRUSHING will be done by the Buckeyes…Maybe not as historically as ND did to the Sooners in 1966 ( 38-0 ) but it probably will convincing none the less….right now, I like tOSU by 3 td’s and, if something should happen to Mayfield, it could be a shut out performance by the tOSU defense………
OU’s defense will practice against Kyler Murray so I’m not worried about Houston. Only team that has a shot to beat Oklahoma would be TCU.
As of right now,
I think Houston is the most dangerous team on our schedule.
Its the first game on the road against a 10+ win team. They have a great coaching staff, this isn’t your typical non P5 team.
I think we are catching TCU early enough with their rebuild team we get the W
Greg Ward should have a monster day against the MS defense. 400 plus yards . Houston in an upset ( but maybe not really ) by a td over OU and Mayfield throws a couple of piks……
I agree about ole Chuck.
The move to the SEC is a lot more complicated than just packing up your bags and leaving the conference.
OU still has the their GoR to the big 12 conference for another 9 years or so.
Nice read there Sam.Fire Stoops /S
I think recruiting nationally for OU is huge and I also think the Texas football player has changed a lot. Different style, harder to evaluate, maybe more guys succeeding now who wouldn’t have 10-15 years ago. I don’t mind it. I would live to see us get a little pipeline going in Ohio though, I think there’s a lot up there that can possibly be poached from Meyer.
I think the coaches said that kids nowadays are different and they like new shiny things like shoes and gloves. Superficial stuff, e.g., Oregon uniforms. I think Championships don’t really matter much in their minds. Not all kids, but most of them. I think Stoops brought out all the trophies to showcase what winning is like. But I think it just gets lost on this newest generation. It appears to be all about them and their persona on social media. It isn’t about team. And that to me is sickening.
Trammel and other media members are not worried about the content of their writings anymore. Just like the story posted about cbs sports in yesterday’s news, it’s a click game now. There’s many reasons why ou didn’t have success in Texas this past year but when you look at ou’s recruiting as a whole, they landed the only 5 star talent in the big 12 this cycle. On top of that they took in a 5 star transfer from a&m. “Recruiting is dead at OU” is a myth. Baylor and tcu had more success this cycle because of the 11-1 records they posted in 2014, so you see that OU’s recruiting for 2017 is in high gear already because of the 2015 season.
Personally I think this class can be top 5, if OU can repeat last year’s success and if they can push one step further and play for the title. Winning the title and having stoops give another speech about how it’s all because of Texas kids, will go a long way toward landing top talents out of Texas.
What’s baffling about those pointing out OU not recruiting Texas very well, is that OU has 4 of 5 commits for 2017 from Texas, and they aren’t duds. They are guys everyone will be after.
Zack, good morning.
You bring up some very good points. I mean, Trammel didn’t bother to mention that OU is off to a good start in 2017. Those guys are irresponsible. I wish there was a button we could click and insert a question that revealed the holes in their stories, real time. Just a section below the article that would allow people ask questions.
There’s a lot that needs to be answered.
Oh, by the way, not one word about OU will be able to win with its current roster or the fact that OU got more 4* recruits in this class than they have in a while.
On top of all of that, trammel doesn’t give a rip about recruiting. So him writing that column proves he’s just playing to the masses. I join his weekly chats and he constantly tells people recruiting doesn’t matter to him until 3 years after a class was signed.
I remember him saying that as well.
lot of difference between committing and actually signing…..early commits seldom mean much now except for poachers to target the commits …..
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I didn’t care for the Sherrington article, as it appears that he may have a bias against OU and/or Bob Stoops. I know that there are those on this board who are never completely happy with our coaches or team and seem to go to any length to remind us.
Everyone I’ve read or heard has said that recruiting impacts from a season’s successes or failures comes a year later. Their reasoning, it at least sounds sensible. Even that guy’s “old buddy” said as much a couple of days ago. I’ve also read from some about our small class this year. However, most of us are observant enough to have a decent idea where the needs were for next year’s team.
They say that Stoops and company cannot recruit well in tejas anymore, yet the 2017 outlook belies those statements. I like the direction that our new…and (I have to admit) old coaches…are going right now. I just get tired of hearing “we don’t recruit Oklahoma”, or “we can’t get tejas kids anymore” statements.
There’s not much I can do, except to enjoy Oklahoma football, win or lose, like I have for at least the past 60 years or so. BOOMER !!!!!
Sooner!!!!!!!!
I would like to add to that. I don’t see anyone writing about the trend of players leaving their home state. Their are many states with good D1 programs that have trouble keeping kids nearby.
Exactly. That is a very good point, Malicong.
And one more thing regarding that article, lol, okie lite didn’t exactly recruit anyone with any kind of a ranking.
Good morning.
If pickings are really slim in Texas, watch what happens to OSU, if they don’t start recruiting nationally.
I agree.
it happened this year to the Pukes………..nary a 4* out of Texas——–all 2* or low 3* ……the only 4* ( T Moore) is likely headed for NEO…..the Pukes class looks lackluster to say the best…………..
Remember when the media used to complain about our lack of national recruiting and our over dependence on Texas. I do.
Hell yes i do.
OU only wins because they have all texsa players.
Bob, you are right on time.
I remember Trammel saying that OU should install a back up plan (recruit nationally) once aTm joins the SEC. He believed it would open the doors for SEC schools to recruit Texas.
Isn’t it great when you can get by with criticizing someone for doing what you told them to?
That’s a good way to drum up business.
the only piece missing with our national recruiting plan, imo, is Ohio. We have to break one or two guys lose up there and slowly build that pipeline. I know, easier said than done, but you gotta start sometime.
Stoops has the Ohio connection. Maybe there is more to the Cincinnati rumors than meets the eye. I don’t want that but, hey. If anything, we’ve opened up Ohio to WVU.
OU isn’t going to make a living in Ohio……….
Where did I say this?
you inferred OU could build a pipeline in that state….unless OU should join the B1G , the Sooners don’t have the national footprint to interest elite Ohio athletes . Unless said prospects are “B” list types, they want to play in a better conference than the Little 12-2……..and they can by never leaving the state……Bob’s Ohio connection has led to only one (1 ) Ohio HS athlete in 17 years—Sam Grant. ANd he isn’t a starter……
The uninformed or those who don’t do their own research will start to foam at the mouth reading that garbage.
IMO, I like our ability to go back and forth.
We experience a down year in recruiting the state of Texas and we go coast to coast getting 5* and 4*s.
Then this very next year.. Texas recruiting is up and snag the cream of the crop of Texas.
Its all a cycle and has long as we win and have great coaches we are going to find players to come play for us
Stop using facts Sam – that stuff never works 🙂 Morning!
Morning Cush.
I thought “facts” was the equivalent of “eggs” in most recipes: not only does it add flavor but it holds things together.
Logic and facts are not glamorous. Sensationalist pieces with click-baity titles are, and tend to drive more clicks. The sooner people realize that, the better their world will be. OU knows it’s off to an incredible start, with the ability to compete with anyone anywhere. Stoops knows that his record speaks for itself
Thanks for reading, Indy.
No problem mate. Great piece btw
This is nothing short of tabloid journalism. Fair and balanced journalism has basically died. It’s now agenda driven, sales driven, click driven. Total Emotionalism overrides the facts in many cases.
Good piece and a good point about ‘why aren’t the Texas schools winning more championships if having so many Texas kids is ‘the answer’. It’s like every other state. There are only so many top kids that everyone knows about but there are also a lot of kids that are overlooked and under-valued every year in every state. Recruiting the kids everyone sees and knows is easy. It’s much harder to put in the work to find NR kids that are as physically talented but ‘raw’ due to not having the same coaching, playing on teams with fewer good athletes so harder to spot, playing ‘out of position’ and not getting to camps. There are Josh Jacobs types everywhere. They populate the nfl.
Exactly. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I hate to see people give have the story as if everyone is just plain stupid. What an insult. I say, do your work and come back.
Most of the NFL QBs, WRs, and RBs aren’t from P5 schools.
Thanks for reading. I have a lengthier post if you’re up for a good chuckle.
Good Morning family and friends,and TFBERS all.
Howdy! Hope you guys keep things fun on here. I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far behind from NSD TFBing that I HAVE to get some work done.
Cush, I think this is the time you appeared yesterday. I’m concerned that you are developing a pattern of tardiness.
I waited and waited for Jordan to get the Daily up yesterday. Today, I am truly tardy and will have to be a very part-time guy. Catching a couple of minutes now waiting for a tele-friggin’-conference 🙂
BUT IT IS STILL GREAT TO BE A SOONER!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes it is a good day to be a Sooner.
You enjoy your tele-friggin’-conference.
Oh, and don’t forget to multi-task. I’m sure something will get done and other things won’t.
Okay!
Hell i read nothing yesterday,to dam busy!
Once we catch up, I hope JY and Super K do their thing. We can count on poor Jordan doing his usual yeoman’s work. When that is slow, I am counting on R/R and Sam to get going – you stay out of Bob’s liquor and we can jump in too 🙂
I’m in. You will have to sell RR on the idea.
Lmao, maybe Bob can rhyme us a riddle.
I just hope Bob let’s us visit after all that NSD trash around here.
We are a nation wide brand!!! We can recruit nation wide!!!!! Yes, we have always relied heavily on texsa, but this year we had a small class so we signed fewer texans. No big deal!! Don’t let Dallas sportswriters and Trammel scare you, they talk out of both sides of their mouths!!!
Have to remind yourselves they are in the business of selling subscriptions and gaining eyeballs with controversial stuff. Make up issues to sell papers. It sure gets old.
I’ve been a Tulsa World/Tribune subscriber for nearly 30 years, let it expire this month because I’ve lost interest in the product.
Good morning, SoonerRay.
They don’t get it. No one wants to read this kind of stuff if they don’t believe you’ve made an all out effort. They’ve lost you and I can guarantee you that while they know they’ve lost a subscriber, they don’t know they’ve lost SoonerRay or why.
The best way to grow is to retain your customer, not add more than you lose.
They are losing customers so they cut back on content and raise the price? I don’t think that’s going to work, long term.
Nope. Soon, there will be no where to get new, except the Associated Press. That’s full-circle, huh?
And TFB.
Go on line. I’d suggest the Herald Tribune for a general paper.
Dumped that rag years ago. Warren Buffet has not improved it since he took it over from the local elitist.
And the saddest thing is that the World remains head, shoulders, nipples and belly button above the Oklahoman.
Worse, the sports sections of both are the only parts that have any rationale for continued existence.
We quit subscribing to Tulsa Fish Wrap (w/apologies to all my great fish brothers) about 5 years ago. I just couldn’t take their politics. Hoover just puts final nail in the coffin for me.
If i had a newspaper,hmmm let me think.Ok the front page everyday,top head line would read,TEXSA SUCKS AND WILL ALLWAYS SUCK!!!!!!!!
Trammel is a lazy joke. He’s riding the wave to retirement. I haven’t been to the Oklahoman website in months.
it’s those idiots, who never cover recruiting, who started the idea that osu beat out OU for Moore and Bundage. What I have read, from people who actually cover recruiting, OU backed off of both. I started a fire on Kyle Boone’s little osu blog yesterday about it. All I wanted to do was spread the facts. It was fun.
and I got LIT UP in the comments section. people calling for my head…
I know man, I’m sorry. I was just trying to be real then I got my IQ, career and everything else called into question. I’m flattered so many pokes want to learn about me.
Ha! Honestly kind of upsetting. I spent over 40 hours on the blog this week for national signing day.
don’t worry Kyle, I ruffle feathers here too. if anyone knows anything about me over here, it’s the fact that I don’t shy away from saying controversial things. I’m just glad guys like Sam still accept me.
Right! But I am a writer on the blog… its a little different..
Ouch!
Thanks for being the person the world needs you to be.
understood. see Esco. he doesn’t sugar and he’s a writer.
I need a vacation anyway. Maybe this is a good excuse…
Kyle, good morning.
You have to share.
Essentially I agreed with Kelly that OU backed off both Moore and Bundage. They said I defamed the OSU blog and I was a shitcan who needed to be gone…
truth.
We have room for you Kyle. Here’s your out. Come on, do it.
BOOMER!
I have decided to decommit from Oklahoma State. My final two are OSU and OU. I will make my announcement on my final decision at a later day. Thank you to both blogs for your time spent recruiting me.
you’re a grade risk, we are pulling your offer.
I’m still putting OU in my top schools, though.
ROTF
Good one. Maybe we will get a BOOM! later today.
Only if I get the Denzel treatment. Jordan, Super K?
Your commitment is when you say SOONER!. I will petition Jordan and Super K for a BOOM!
When Smitty gets a hold of you, you may wish you’d gone JUCO.
Somebody make this man an OU edit!
You left out “blessed” about 7 times in your statement, though.
They don’t appreciate you kyle, come to the dark side!!
Please tell me what happened once you brought that up.
there was a post over there titled “Calvin Bundage explains decision to commit to osu over OU, Oregon and others” So I simply told them in a certain way that OU wasn’t really a choice for him or Moore. it hurt their feelings, they bashed me and our osu hero here, Kyle Boone, actually defended my statement.
and, btw, Kyle got killed for it.
I bet.
Exposing holes is always good: keeps people honest. And Kyle, he’s cool. He’s respectful and offers his opinion. I will talk to anyone that I can have a conversation with.
The Oklahoman is like most newspapers. It’s shrinking away to nothing. The paper is close to the size of the new IPads.
Dick, good morning.
It’s amazing that they can’t see why they’re losing subscribers. No one wants to read the junk they put out.
The site is insufferable. All those dadgum pop-up videos and auto-play videos. Makes me crazy.
They don’t scare me. I just get tired of bs articles like that and those who keep posting them up perhaps to prove a point. I would prefer for those like the writer simply say they don’t care for Stoops or Oklahoma football and move on.
Yes, what sells better in a Texas newspaper than certain doom and gloom for the future of OU because Texans are ignoring them? Literary chum.
So, true. They are reaching, at the very least.
Only 3 from Texas is odd and can’t become the norm. That being said, we have raided Cali with great success under Stoops, which helps offset. I would like to see a little more out of Louisiana. There’s talent down there and is equidistant to much of Texas.
I may be wrong, but I believe that a smaller class makes it harder to get a high “rank” when they rank the recruiting classes, even if you have a quality group. More important that how OU did in any given state is whether they filled positions of need with quality recruits.
LMAO. The last part of that prop bets piece from Kimmel was hilarious.
Texas has recruited Texas kids and produced 1 MNC in 45 years. So, I’m not losing sleep if OU goes national and gets kids who are solid.
I agree. you see a good player, I don’t care if he’s in Canada (Gallimore), being OU we can go out and get him.
Random- I’m seriously chopping at the bit to see Gallimore play along side Walker.
Random- I’m seriously chopping at the bit to see Gallimore play along side Walker.
Frankly (and this is bound to piss off traditionalists who still believe Texas is the gateway to the national championship for OU), I have not been impressed with the direction of Texas football recently.
The spread has permeated Texas football. While this produces excellent skill players, pass rushing DE’s, QB’s and DB’s, it doesn’t always produce the guys in the trenches that can compete, pound for pound, with the big boys. As we saw in the Playoff, finesse OL and DL play only gets you so far. The championship is won and lost in the trenches.
I may be alone, but I applaud the coaches for branching out of Texas. The game is changing and if OU doesn’t change with it, we could easily end up like Nebraska, who had to build all new recruiting pipelines when they left the Big XII and lost a lot of their Texas clout. I also applaud the coaches for establishing pipelines into areas where OU hasn’t always been historically strong. The Cali pipeline has paid HUGE dividends for OU. The new Louisiana pipeline has also produced some productive Sooners in the last 10 years.
The day is coming where OU won’t be a part of the Big XII conference. All the body language and statements made by Boren suggest he’s bracing people for the impact like a good politician. When/if OU breaks away from Texas and heads off on its own, not being tied so heavily to Texas will allow OU to start off stronger than Nebraska did because OU has already taken their recruiting national.
The times they are a’changin — and if you don’t change with them, you get left behind.
Good analysis. Having a nationwide recruiting base will lessen the impact of switching conferences wherever we go.
Right on point. Recruiting in Georgia , Florida , and Virginia will be key this year.
Georgia is another area where OU has begun to gain a foothold. I agree it will be important for OU to hit it like Thor’s hammer this coming recruiting season.
We’ve managed to pull a few gems out of SEC country in recent years. There is a lot of talent in that region that even the SEC heavyweights miss.
Texas sucks
Its 8:51 and texsa still sucks!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s 9 and Texsa still sucks. Doesn’t matter how they recruit they will lose to TCU OU BAYLOR OK STATE SUCKS WEST V but a bowl game is a big deal for the short horns.
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Even the dog knows.
I hope the puppies work better than the dolphin…sigh…..
Thought the same thing.
little do you know, that wasn’t Flipper, it was James…. <<<Chapelle Show reference
Rick?
If the Big12 doesn’t add teams this year, or at the very least start to put together a Big12 network in spite of Texas, let the death spiral begin.
I think its pretty apparent that OU and B12 are going to be watching the CFP from home almost every year unless something happens NOW.
No they’re not. That’s just more “doomsday” talk.
with the idiots who are running this thing I don’t see it happening. They’ll say things like, “we had a school make the cfp, we have a good basketball conference, why change?”
Won’t add teams this year. Even if they decide, that is probably 2, maybe 3 seasons out, I’d imagine.
A Big 12 network is a no-go without Texas.
No teams available that would be revenue positive.
The spiral began years ago when Nebraska, Missouri, A&M, and Colorado decided that enough is enough where Texas is concerned.
The conference members should vote out UT. UT wants to publicly say “we are all equal” then privately snicker to themselves “…but we are more equal than the rest.” The UT administration is full of conniving A-holes.
I didn’t care for the mocking tone of Sherrington’s article. Trophy “garage sale?” The fact is none of the current coaches in the B12 come close to Stoops in terms of results. However, perception does not equal reality in TX.
If any columnist wants to go deeper into OU’s recruiting woes, why not press Cale Gundy about his comments about kids not caring about titles these days? How do you sell OU to a kid who cares little about winning or tradition?
they only want flashy unis, games in the locker rooms and other luxury items and cash (see the $ec). It was refreshing to hear Caleb Kelly say that Oregon was too flashy for him.
you don’t bow down to the pressures of being the popular flavor of the day, hold fast to your tradition as everything is cyclical, tradition will win out in the end
In my experience, you have a garage sale when there is no more room in the garage to put in anything else. In OU’s case they’re just building a bigger garage.
Caleb Kelly article
http://abc30.com/sports/clovis-wests-caleb-kelly-commits-to-oklahoma-football/1186056/
The staff has admitted the recruiting dynamic has changed.
A problem they must solve if ever they want to become elite again.
If you want to solve the texas state recruiting problem then all you have to do is dominate on the field against their hometown teams. The other way to solve recruiting as a whole is to keep building upon your established pipelines and build new ones. The way to do this? Dominate on the field
Just win, baby.
A must this year is to beat Texsa in the RRR.
Not just beat them but actually out play them, something we didn’t do two years ago.
I think the only way to change it is for the Big XII to win a national championship, whoever it is. The perception is that the Big XII can’t compete with the best. A championship is really the only way to change that.
I’m not excusing Blake for punching out someone and breaking his hand. That’s not a good thing, for sure, and he deserves some punishment (I figure breaking his hand and not playing is pretty good punishment, too). But it was his equipment manager, and not a woman. It was a mistake, but he’s getting just as much flak for it as guys do for punching out a woman or taking drugs. His “future” is in doubt? Really?
I’m pretty sure no one would care if he just punched the dude and DIDN’T break his hand. What guy hasn’t gotten into a fight with another guy for dumb stuff? I think everyone’s making a bigger deal about it than necessary. Probably because the NBA isn’t all that interesting these days.
I think the issue is his super star fame (gotta take the bad with the good), plus it wasn’t a random guy or some one off the street. It was a staffer for the organization and frankly it just looks bad when an elite athlete with over a foot and about 70-80 lb difference hits a guy repeatedly while the other did nothing physical.
He should resign himself to playing for the Thunder.
Heard Gottlieb mention Durant for Griffin in a sign and trade. Pretty sure he was spitballing, but it’s interesting.
Heard Gottlieb mention Durant for Griffin in a sign and trade. Pretty sure he was spitballing, but it’s interesting.
I wish they were teammates
It’s an interesting point to think about. Given the significant size differential between the two, one could argue that the comparison to a woman is appropriate. Is a 5’4″, 120 pound woman more vulnerable against a 5’10” 200 pound male than this guy was against Blake?
Had a little time this morning to do a bit of research on Texas recruiting this decade. This is a bit long so I apologize in advance but I think it is pretty interesting.
I went back and looked at the number of kids that leave the state vs staying in state and the number of kids that stayed in the Big XII vs SEC and elsewhere. I just looked at 4* and up as I believe that is the best indicated of who is recruiting the best in the state rather than total number of kids from the state. (I.E. Texas Tech has mostly Texas kids on their roster but they are not exactly a recruiting juggernaut). The rating are base on the 247 Composite Average. I also did another breakdown of just the top 20 in Texas but I will do another post for that.
2016: 52 4* and up.
32 stayed in state. 20 left the state. 61.5% retention
25 signed in the Big XII (48%) 19 signed in the SEC (36%) 8 other (15%)
2015: 46 4*+
32 Stayed 14 left 69.5% retention
22 Big XII (48%) 18 SEC (39%) 6 other (13%)
2014: 37 4*+
21 stayed 16 left 56% retention
13 Big XII (35%) 13 SEC (35%) 11 other (30%)
2013: 46 4*+
25 stayed 21 left 54% retention
20 Big XII (43%) 15 SEC (32.5%) 11 other (24%)
2012: 55 4*+
39 stayed 16 left 71% retention
35 Big XII (63.5%) 14 SEC (25.5%) 6 other (11%)
2011: 47 4*+
26 stayed 21 left 55% retention
32 Big XII (68%) 3 SEC (6%) 15 other (32%)
2010: 43 4*+
24 stayed 19 left 56% retention
34 Big XII (79%) 3 SEC (7%) 6 other (14%)
2012 was the last cycle before aTm and Missouri left. Notice the difference?
Alabama had nearly as many recruits from Texas this last cycle (four), as they did the previous 6 combined (six). Ole Miss pulled 4 out of Texas this year but had zero the previous six cycles. Of the SEC’s 19 this season, only 6 signed with aTm.
You want to know why OU had trouble in Texas this season? Kids were leaving the area if they weren’t signing with Texsa.
Yep. I was surprised the retention rate didn’t change much but that SEC number spiked quick.
Most of that is aTm, but the last two cycles their number is shrinking. Alabama and LSU have been hitting the state more and more.
Check your numbers for 2011. Total=B12+SEC+Other. 47=32+3+15????
Edited. Thanks. I had included the SEC numbers with the others.
Edited. Thanks. I had included the SEC numbers with the others.
Texas Top 20 recruiting this decade.
2016:
12 stayed in state (60%) 8 left (40%)
9 signed in the Big XII (45%) 8 signed in the SEC (40%) 3 other (15%)
2015:
10 stayed 10 left (50/50)
9 Big XII 9 SEC 2 other (45/45/10)
2014:
11 stayed 9 left (55/45)
6 Big XII 8 SEC 6 other (30/40/30)
2013:
12 stayed 8 left (60/40)
9 Big XII 7 SEC 4 other (45/35/20)
2012:
17 stayed 3 left (85/15)
13 Big XII 5 SEC 2 other (65/25/10)
2011:
10 stayed 10 left (50/50)
15 Big XII ZERO SEC 5 other (75/0/25)
2010:
15 stayed 5 left (75/25)
17 Big XII 1 SEC 2 other (85/5/10)
So before aTm and Missouri left for the SEC, nearly all the top Texas talent was signing in the Big XII and virtually none were going to the SEC.
good work. conference makes a difference. no doubt if we went sec we would’ve reestablished OUr foothold.
I wonder if that will make a difference or not. This season the recruiting was slow for each of the schools that left the Big XII and really only aTm got a bump at all when they left. Even that has proven to be short lived as they have lost a bunch of that talent to transfer and this cycle wasn’t kind to them at all.
but it’s aTm…can’t change that no matter what conference you’re in.
Very true.
That’s also because eaTme sucks. When they were getting good pub from JFF, their recruiting was also really good. They just can’t do anything with it.
Give OU continued success like last year, while in the SEC, and we could recapture (or perhaps even exceed) the allure we had before TCU, BU, and maybe have a better sales pitch than whorn (though whorn will continue to get a good number of top Texas recruits no matter what).
Further, if we kept our yearly game with whorn, somehow, that would give us a leg up on every other SEC team trying to poach Texas. “Play for OU and not only are you in the SEC, but you’re close to home and you still get to play ut every year.” Not even eaTme will be able to say that anymore.
If OU could go into the SEC and win it, it would certainly get the Texas kids looking that way and just about every other recruit in the nation. But that’s the rub. Can OU beat Alabama and LSU next season or the next after that? It would have been easier 5 years ago, but the talent has already shifted and winning 11 games in the SEC is hard enough for the teams that have been getting a lot of top end talent. I think OU would be competitive from the jump, but winning 8-10 games and winning the conference are two different things.
Some of it would depend on how they segment up the conference with two more teams. My guess would be they would try to do some rebalancing given the pathetic state of the SEC east right now.
I wouldn’t mind moving Alabama and Auburn to the east if OU and another team joined the west.
They could also move MO to the west since them being in the east makes no sense.
Honestly, I think 8-10 wins in the SEC is a bigger boost than 11 wins in the XII, at least with kids specifically in the SE and Texas. Might hurt our national recruiting more, frankly. But I don’t buy for a second that we would lose every year to both LSU and Bama. We of course wouldn’t dominate those teams, but I think we’d get as good as we gave. At least close to 50%.
Also if OU and UT will pick up their game (like OU did last year), the conference can recruit better as well.
Perhaps. But most likely those kids are going to the top ranked schools offering a chance for a National. With the exception of this year, we (or Texas) haven’t had the quality to play for nationals the past few years. I don’t think these players would have gone with us even if we’d been in SEC.
Some of the years back, those that went to atm were B12, now same school is SEC, unless I missed something
That would have been in 2012 and that is the biggest reason for the swing. However, aTm only signed 2 of the top 20 this cycle.
Does anyone know if Tramonda Moore and Ryan Parker ended up qualifying yet?
No to both. Moore is very doubtful to qualify and Parker has work to do this summer.
Thanks for the reply!
No one will know until this summer.
I’m glad they’re looking at the targeting rule again. So many times this year I would end up furious watching a weak targeting call on a guy just trying to make a play. The referee’s are just following the rules. It’s the way the rule is written that needs to change.
the worst one I saw this year was the one Bosa got called on against Neutered Dame in the bowl game.
That’s one I remember watching live on TV. Made me so irritated I didn’t even finish watching the game. It’s a perfect example why the rule needs to be changed. There needs to be some discretion left to the referees.
That call was atrocious. The kid from Nebraska was absolutely screwed, though. He even wrapped up!
As mentioned, the down side of OU not getting the good Texas recruits is, they usually end up playing against us.
The before and after pics of the stadium bring tears to my eyes. I’m ready to see a game in a bowled-in Owen Field.
Some irrational, rabid fans may say Jay Norvell went from being a angel to a demon when he disappeared from OU and reappeared at UT. But does anyone know what impact his familiar with the OU program will have on next Fall’s game?
I don’t know much, but I wouldn’t think not much, since we have several new coaches. I believe that our players had more to do with that loss to tejas last year, than Norvell being the acting OC. tejas will have a new OC this year. Norvell wasn’t that good of a coach here at Oklahoma and I was glad to see him go.
so, he would?
I wouldn’t think he had that much impact. If anything, we know him too, so our coaches should have also been able to predict to some degree what his preparations might be against us.
I wouldn’t think he had that much impact. If anything, we know him too, so our coaches should have also been able to predict to some degree what his preparations might be against us.
None texsa Sucks!
None texsa Sucks!
Little, if any. Entirely new offensive philosophy on both teams.
Thank you. I was rabidly curious.
Going to be in Manhattan tomorrow for the game. I hope Lon’s boys shake off the funk they’ve been in up there.
Me too. Clearly OU is the better team but its a tough place to play. I’ll be watching.
KState makes me crazy. They get crushed for weeks and then suddenly play OU like they are a Top 5 team.
I think we’re fine as long as Bill Snyder isn’t coaching their team:-)
I’m curious to know people’s opinion, why is the state of Oklahoma unable to produce more 4 and 5 star talent coming out of high school? Is it just the population numbers of Oklahoma, the training kid’s receive in youth thru high school athletics, the upbringing of our youth around the state or other reasons.
I notice looking at a national map most of the higher rated talent stems through the south and southeast. Seems the star’s go down in numbers the further north you go into the Midwest.
Just my thought for the day.
Thank you TFB administrators for this great site and thanks to all the folks commenting on here daily.
Population. 3.7 million people in Oklahoma, over 7 million in the metroplex alone.
700k you mean?
I am saying Oklahoma as a whole, not just OKC.
Was going to say it was closer to 2.5m, but glad I checked. You’re really close. Looks like about 6.7m. Wow.
okay, I thought more than that, but still much more than our whole state.
Definitely.
I think I figured out my confusion. The pop of strictly the cities of D and FW is between 2 and 2.5M. That got stuck in my head as the metroplex pop. Anyway, much bigger than I was thinking.
Houston area is another 6.5, to DFW being about 6.7 or 6.8. Those two make about 1/2 of the state population.
yea, it’s insane man.
Population has a lot to do with it on two levels.
1) It’s a smaller pool of players to draw from. Oklahoma can have as many players per capita but still have fewer players over all because of the smaller pool.
2) Lower population density. The recruiting services have limited resources. Do you send a scout to Dallas to watch a couple of 6A games where they may see a couple of dozen D1 prospects in a day, or send them to 2A Okemah in Oklahoma where to see one player you have to fly into OKC and drive and hour or more?
Bob, are you ready to chuckle?
Mainly population, I think there’s bias involved in awarding stars to encourage readership/viewership in certain areas. I know Texas, in particular, puts a lot of money into school sports programs and facilities.
The TFB Mods put out a very good post some time last year about that. Mostly the lack of camps coupled with the fact some kids can’t afford to go camps in other states, lack of seven-on-seven camps. Some kids in other states have trainers and position coaches to help with technique, which cost money.
Yep, what Sam said.
it is complicated, but here is my take and my take is due to over 60 years of closely following OU football recruiting. First, we don’t have a lot of big high schools as the vast majority of Oklahoma High School teams are very small rural type schools. Second, is that the OKC public schools are a mess. Very poorly funded results in poorly paid coaches and poor facilities. Just take a look at the roster and see how many kids we get from the inner OKC schools. The answer is just not many. The Tulsa metro area is a much more fertile recruiting ground than is the OKC metro area.
For what ever the reason the traditional Oklahoma High Schools that used to produce lots of OU players has simply dried up. Muskogee, McAlister, Ada, Enid and on and on just aren’t producing many FBS type players. OU in the past got many kids from the rural areas … not so many any more.
Another issue is soccer as many kids are playing soccer instead of football. There is just a lot more pressure on kids today than in the past and they are staying away from the game. I think the biggest issue is the distribution of the Oklahoma population with the most players in small schools where the resources and coaching just isn’t up to snuff.
Texas has a huge number of schools in towns and cities over the 30,000 mark. We just have a few.
I went to the same high school as JD Runnels and Mike Gaddis. Carl Albert high school is part of Mid-Del schools just outside of OKC schools. We very rarely had any funding issues. A lot of that is because of Tinker AFB provides funding for students who live on base who do not pay property taxes. I cannot believe the difference between the two districts. I do agree that it is a funding issue. I played baseball and we won 3 straight championships and had 6 guys drafted into the MLB while I was there. Not to mention Matt Kemp also came from this district. If we could get the funding that is needed for every district to operate. I think we could give talented kids a better opportunity to be successful at the next level.
Money is a large part of it. Funding for oklahoma schools is absolutely pathetic.
My 4 year old is in pre-k, and i cant tell you how many fundraising things they have already do so far this year(with many more to come), just to keep them afloat.
Also, keep in mind Oklahoma does not have the highest population (ranked 28th).
Cush? Where are you?
Him and Golf are golfing.
Figures. And he said he’d be on a teleconference call. I should have known that was code for golfing.
I wish! The call, which made MORE work. I only have about 5-10 min now (break for TFB). I’ll check more tonight – very quickly skimmed your story – now just WHO could that kid be?
Wink! Wink!
Working until 5 min ago!
I heard you were playing golf.
Since this is the dead-period in recruiting, here you go:
He liked it here. He’d always prayed he’d never have to leave. He had not lived anywhere else but he knew, in his heart, there was no place better. He secretly called it Never Land.
A poster featuring Captain Kirk pointing his phaser at a Klingon hung on a wall above his desk. The corner was was held down by yellowing masking tape. There was lots of a posters of “Tink and Pan”, as well as posters of “The Godfather”, “Rocky”, “Back to the Future”, and another poster of Voldemort, emphatically casting a kiss-a** spell, as if to say, “Kick Rocks, Harry Potter!” We’ve all seen the image. You know the one.
Like most kids, he immersed himself into watching late night movies and consuming lots Mountain Dew, which was what was in his handwriting of his mother’s grocery list. He spent a fair amount of time looking at pretty girls in magazines, where hundreds of issues were in a box under his bed. Up until this day, when his face was in a magazine, his hands were in his pants.
Oh, but the computer; as much as he liked scratching himself, it was the computer that was the gateway to everything not in Never Land; that’s where he spent most of his time; it was no different now; he sat in a chair that all but swallowed him up, staring up at the computer’s screen, in a trance-like state, pecking away, mindlessly going from here to there at every click he made with the mouse. The glow coming off the screen lit up his face and the glare reflected off his bulging eyes and his, bigger still, round glasses. He closely resembled the fictional character Gollum, wearing glasses like those worn by Sherman.
Near the wall opposite of the poster of Tink, Peter, and Voldemort and was his special place. His religious place where no Tomfoolery was allowed. He, as was his parents, was a devout Baptist. He might miss school but he never missed church. So, he ran along side his parents with the unpredictable behavior of Gollum, like a monkey, jumping from tree to tree. He played nasty jokes on the girls, just like monkeys pissing and sh***g as he entered their worlds just to get a rise out of them. Church was something they attended every Wednesday evening and twice on Sunday. He liked it: it was holy everyone but he enjoyed causing a ruckus. No, he never missed church.
As much as he loved church, he loved football. In time he would convince himself that God was a football fan and that He was okay with him easing prayers for victory into his prayers for salvation. God, he thought, would not have given the world football if He didn’t want them to enjoy it. He didn’t gamble on football like most people. That would be wrong. God would not approve of that. If he gambled, he thought, God would not reward his favorite team with a victory. That thought made him want answers about his Dad. He wanted to know why his Dad behavior on Fall Saturdays varied and mirrored his mood on Sundays? His Dad would yell “BOOMER! SOONER!” and punch him on the shoulder, encouraging him to yell it back. He did as expected. He’d say it with a smile and much enthusiasm, “Yeah, Dad, boomer, sooner.” He wanted to know why his Dad sometimes wore a scowl on Sundays, almost grumbling, seemingly, as he put two dollars in the collection plate. But there were Sundays his Dad seemed jovial, yelling “BOOMER! at everyone he passed as they entered the church. Somewhere across the lawn he’d hear “SOONER!” as people filed into the church. On those Sundays, his Dad would pull a wad from his pockets and tossed a $20 bill in with other cash. He often wondered about that.
He spun around in the too-big chair and looked across the room at his religious place. It was his place for quiet prayer: a table stood reposed. The legs disappeared into the shaggy carpet, which had been there since the 1970s. There was a worn out pillow that was an indication of where he knelt, where he prayed. While his prayers were more about football wins and less about salvation, he always made sure he prayed that he could always live in this house, Never Land, forever.
On the table was a Bible, several candles with melting wax that was starting loosen up and move again and collect at the base of the candle. The candles were aglow. They were lit on special occasions, during prayer time and on his birthday, only. Prayers for football wins were kicked to the curb with prayers for salvation today. He only prayed for one thing on his birthday: that he would always live in Never Land.
“Dear, God,” he’d always start, “it’s me. I don’t know about there. I like it here. Never, ever make me have to go live there. I want to live here in Never Land forever and ever. Amen.”
To the right of the table were pencil marks where he’d measured himself. His last measurement, some fifty years ago was just over five feet. To the left of his measurements was his most prized possession: “A poster of Earl Campbell avoiding a would be tackler, with the ball in tucked away in one arm and an out-stretched arm in the facemask of a defender. He looked at it and tears filled the levy of his eyes.
He saw a movement, a shadow, out of the corner of his eye. It was a woman, who appeared to be about 80 years old. She was surprising spry for her age. She passed a handwritten sign that read “Down here, Ma!” code for “I’m in the basement.” She was carrying a cake with so many lit candles that it threatened to catch fire to her clothes.
He jumped up and down like Gollum and clapped in jubilation. “You got them all on there, Ma.!!”
“Yes, I did,” she replied, “all 60 of them.”
“But, Ma,” he said with a quizzical expression, “where’s Happy Birthday and where’s my name?”
“Not enough room,” she said as she looked at him endearingly, “we mustn’t use your name, you know. We know who this is for.”
“I love you, Ma and I love Never Land.”
Just found this. Good stuff, Sam. Is this about who I think it is about?? HWMNBN? LoL I do some writing, too. Have 1 book on which I am semi-actively working and a couple of ideas for more. Love word-smithing, too. Not brave enough to share or put anything out like you or RR but would be great to share some beverages with you and RR and talk.
hOUligan, thanks for the feedback. And, yes, you are correct in your assumption.
I love writing and word-smithing. My wife and I like to read but she reads for the story and I’m reading for the story, while looking at sentence structure.
Most definitely, we should meet up if possible. Where are you located?
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via oui poster……https://n.rivals.com/news/venables-named-rivals-recruiter-of-the-year
Is it just me or does that Demolition movie just look…weird?
https://twitter.com/Jordan_Esco/status/695649085907296256
Excellent! The more options we have as a B/U to Baker, the better off we’ll be.
This is really cool. Anyone see Baker’s tweet at him?
don’t make me go on twitter, it’s a lazy friday.
Kind of an odd scenario now…..do you burn the year of eligibility for a guy like Schafer, or do you let Kendall burn it, in terms of any mop up work? Obviously if Baker were to go down with an injury, you probably play Kendall. At least we have a few more bodies on campus. Gotta have guys to practice with if nothing else.
If Injury, I’m sure Kendall is in, but if not, I’m guessing we’d see Connor McGinnis or the other walk-on from last year in mop-up duty…
Connor McGinnis is another kid that was overlooked in recruiting that could wind up being legit.
he might be serviceable but it’s really hard to catch lightning in a bottle twice. If AK and Bake both get injured all we need is someone who can hand the ball to our thoroughbred RB’s. enjoy Perine and Joe while we have them boys!
I don’t expect Baker Mayfield 2.0. However, I do think that the idea and situation of walk-ons is changing drastically.
Baker Mayfield was one of the best QB’s in college football last year.
One of Clemson’s premier playmakers at WR was a walk-on.
The guy who led the nation in sacks for most of the year was a walk-on.
Guys like Mayfield are starting to change the perception and attitude of the walk-on athlete. For instance, this Tanner Schafer kid was good enough to get a D1 offer; instead, he is choosing to forsake a scholarship to take a chance on competing at a bigger school, just like Mayfield did once upon a time.
Maybe he’s OU material, maybe not; the point is, guys who once might have gone to bottom tier D1 schools and excelled are now more willing to take their chances as walk-ons at schools they covet. That is just one way in which football is changing over time.
good point Nate.
A kid that willing to pass up an offer and take a chance as a walk-on is the kid you want to take.
If nothing else, it shows they have the balls and confidence in themselves to compete.
First, let me say that was well thought out post above.
I agree with you: kids are going after what they want.
First, let me say that was well thought out post above.
I agree with you: kids are going after what they want.
I’d say that kid is ‘committed’ to a school.
Yes, sir.
If the plan is to use Kendall should an injury happen, then you have to use him for mop up time as well. Makes no sense to me to let him miss out on actual game experience but then ask him to take over when an injury occurs.
Thats a good point.
EDIT: But it’d also probably depend on what time of year the (hopefully not) injury occurred.
I mean, I definitely see your point. But my problem with that is you’re potentially wasting a year of eligibility for both backups.
Wasn’t McGinnis redshirted last year? No waste there for him…
Ya know I wasn’t really thinking about him. I was just thinking about the preferred walk on we just got. So I think you’d be right.
Oh I see. Yea the new guy is Shaffer. I definitely say RS him, unless he just looks far and away better than McGinnis and the other walk-on QB from last year (not named Baker.)
Im not sure if this was discussed below but apparently CeeDeeLamb is not all that committed.
https://twitter.com/_CeDariann/status/695673276387885056
first I’ve heard of it. @jordanesco:disqus???
Good afternoon, Fear.
Good afternoon Sam and Happy Weekend!
There will be no shame in my adult behavior this weekend.
It’s a slow day on here. If you’re up for a chuckle, check out my post below. It’s long but funny, I think. I don’t know if it’s RR worthy but I was laughing while writing it.
Really good read. Thanks for sharing Sam.
I was trying to channel my inner RR.
Any idea who I’m rerferencing?
I do….
That was for you, my friend.
I believe I do.
Good afternoon Sam and Happy Weekend!
I’m usually one of the guys that says ‘kids will be kids’, but this is annoying. How can you say “I’m committing to…” and then turn around and say “still open”?
Are public schools not teaching kids the definition of committed?
As the coaches said, it is getting worse. Think the situation is snowballing as kids watch older kids ‘commit’ then ‘de-commit’ and feel like it is the new norm. Will get worse until ncaa institutes some new controls. Not sure the coaches want to change and be ‘locked in’, either. We’ve seen how ‘committed’ some coaches are to some kids.
As the coaches said, it is getting worse. Think the situation is snowballing as kids watch older kids ‘commit’ then ‘de-commit’ and feel like it is the new norm. Will get worse until ncaa institutes some new controls. Not sure the coaches want to change and be ‘locked in’, either. We’ve seen how ‘committed’ some coaches are to some kids.
Sign of the times…bro,….sign of the times. IMO there should be restrictions to stop this nonsense like should not be able to ‘commit’ until after official visits are taken. OVs would be from Memorial Day thru fall and end Dec. 1 w/ a Quiet Period over the holidays prior to NSD which could be moved to January. If a recruit wishes to ‘commit’ at any point during the OV period he must sign a NLI and the process stops.
What would you guys think of a OU policy that said:
“Once you commit, we will commit to you and there won’t be any gray shirt or any such nonsense. However, if you commit and want to keep taking visits with other teams, then we are not committed to you and can pull your offer at any point.”
I just don’t see how recruits can expect OU to stay committed to them if they aren’t willing to reciprocate.
I’m sure they do that. I hope they do that (you commit, we commit). I mean maybe they were dishonest to the kid, but these things are happening more and more…
I like Jon-Michaels approach: I’m committed, so I don’t go visit, I don’t allow home visits, and I won’t see you if you show up to my school.
That’s because he was committed. I can’t imagine how some of these kids are going to handle life. Everything has an outlet, even perfect marriages.
You hit the nail on the head. What does society model regarding commitment? Look at commitment in marriage (or lack thereof); no wonder kids don’t understand the concept.
On a related note, Christianity faces a similar dilemma. We tell people they need to commit to Christ, but we don’t understand commitment as a society.
Yes. Everyone is running amok. I mean look at the Daniels situation. Come on, kid. I’m sure he felt some trepidation. He should have stopped. If things don’t work out of him at texsa, and he came sniffing around, I would tell him to get lost.
That’s because he was committed. I can’t imagine how some of these kids are going to handle life. Everything has an outlet, even perfect marriages.
I like Jon-Michaels approach: I’m committed, so I don’t go visit, I don’t allow home visits, and I won’t see you if you show up to my school.
Afternoon, Exiled.
I like the idea. Once a coach gets wind of a visit or a kid takes a visit, I say pull the scholarship. If I were a coach, as soon as I heard someone is looking around, I’d start recruiting again, to fill that spot.
How do? Yeah, we don’t need to burn bridges and can tell the kid that we may have a spot open for them, but we’re going to keep recruiting and if someone else takes your spot then that’s just life.
Yep: encourage them to look around to find the best fit. Make it seem as if it’s all business and there will be no hurt feelings if either party decides to dissolve a previously agreed upon commitment.
Exactly!
Yep: encourage them to look around to find the best fit. Make it seem as if it’s all business and there will be no hurt feelings if either party decides to dissolve a previously agreed upon commitment.
How do? Yeah, we don’t need to burn bridges and can tell the kid that we may have a spot open for them, but we’re going to keep recruiting and if someone else takes your spot then that’s just life.
I would propose that there is no such thing as a verbal commitment- once you commit, you sign, period. There is no recruiting cycle, no dead periods- you can sign with a school whenever you want. You can visit as many schools as you want but only one visit per school is on the school’s nickle (like it is now)- There is no NSD but a deadline day to sign, that’s it.
Too many rules as it is now.
That would be great too. I can see limiting visits during the school term but in the summer, buffet it up my friends.
It would be up to the school and the kid to coordinate when the visit(s) took place- just like any host/visitor relationship is.
It would be up to the school and the kid to coordinate when the visit(s) took place- just like any host/visitor relationship is.
That would be great too. I can see limiting visits during the school term but in the summer, buffet it up my friends.
AND- you CANNOT commit until your senior yr of HS or either year if in Juco.
Unless you’re willing to sign, perhaps?
as I said, a commitment is considered so when they sign. If you’re a JR in HS, that’s too young to make that decision so I would mandate that they be a SR.
I completely understand the maturity part.
Yep, totally agree. I think you continue to allow kids to commit at any point but then say you have the ability to sign as of September 1st of your Sr. year. Then the coaches know pretty early on who was truly committed and what positions they need to continue recruiting.
yep
Is their a legal age in which you can sigh a legal document? Like a marriage document in the state of Oklahoma . Could a kid sign a LOI when they are 16?
It depends on the state. In Alabama for instance it is nineteen.
My understanding is that the parents have to sign if the player is below the legal age to sign a contract.I have heard of cases in the past where that got screwed up. Either one of the parents wasn’t in the picture or momma didn’t want her boy to go anywhere but her school.
Another whole can of worms. But agree with most everybody something different needs to be done.
IDK about the legal age part but if necessary, the parent/guardian could also sign, it would still be a binding document however once the decision to commit is made and the ink dries.
That largely addresses my concerns below.
Already would be huge if they would just not allow recruiting to begin (could scout, but no contact whatsoever) until kids are juniors… Would simplify things so much more for coaches, and the players themselves too. This sophomore recruiting crap has gone too far, in my opinion.
I like Stoops idea of moving up LOIs till December, but I think no restrictions on how early LOIs can be signed could be problematic. If a kid makes an emotional decision as a sophomore and has no way out of it, I see that as a problem. Plus, schools probably don’t want to accept LOIs from sophomores: they may not pan out in their JR/Sr seasons or perhaps lose interest or get hurt.
I think you’d start seeing tons of litigation invovling high school kid’s and their LOI.
they need to learn that in life, their word means something- if they’re going to commit/sign, it’s binding
Something many of these kids do not understand now.
I agree. If a recruit is asked if he is ready to commit, and he says YES; the recruiter should have the pen and paper in hand, ready for him to sign. If he doesn’t sign he should not use the word “commit”, he should say “I’m interested, very interested or not interested” Or something like that.
real lawyers are 0.00001% as cool as TV lawyers
Not if they had a new rule, with a 3-month type signing window. You can take your official visits and visit the schools of your choice beginning your junior year of HS. Then, you have a 3 month signing window in the middle of your senior year. January 1 – March 31. No verbals, just sign with your chosen school in the time allowed. Don’t, and you have to walk-on or wait until the next signing period, 1 year away. I think it would work beautifully.
That’s just tough- they’d better be darned sure the decision they’re making is the bed they want to sleep in- once you sign, it’s golden.
The process would prove itself out soon enough, they’d figure out that their word means something.
see below on HS underclassmen
I kind of like this idea..
Verbal commitment is not a term the NCAA uses. It is not defined in a rule book. It’s simply a term of art in the recruiting business used to mean that’s where the kid says he’s planning on going
Easier to eliminate then.
Actually that means it’s harder to eliminate since there is no governing body to regulate it’s usage.
Not IMO- all the schools have to say is, “sorry, we do not accept verbal commitments, you want to come here? Sign here”
And you can do that and the other schools will say “come here we will accept your verbal and you can still look.” If there isn’t a rule against it coaches are going to keep on doing it. Heck, there are rules against a lot of things that coaches keep on doing.
Edit to “are going to keep on doing it.”
You’re muddying the waters- my proposal is that all schools abide by the same set of rules- NO VERBALS, period. This levels the playing field.
I’m not muddying the waters because your proposition ignores basic human nature. Things are the way they are because the coaches can’t be trusted to do the right thing. Somebody who has coercive force has to enforce such a rule or it’s meaningless. If everyone would just do the right thing, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
So, if there were a rule prohibiting verbal commitments, there would be no benefit?
Perhaps without a governing body, only suckers will enforce it and in 15 years be playing division II ball.
OK, make it an NCAA Rule then, no verbals.
But the problem is that good guys like BS take it to mean that OU is committed, even if the kid doesn’t he is. Guys like Harbough and Saban don’t view it that way.
I think the reason that Stoops doesn’t want LOIs before December is that players might get hurt in their senior season. Stoops is a good guy, but you can’t carry too many guys on scholarship that won’t ever play.
Maybe a 3 month signing window….January 1 – March 31. No signing before then, but if you don’t sign by the deadline, you have to wait a year to sign (or risk not having scholarship and walk-on.)
I would propose that there is no such thing as a verbal commitment- once you commit, you sign, period. There is no recruiting cycle, no dead periods- you can sign with a school whenever you want. You can visit as many schools as you want but only one visit per school is on the school’s nickle (like it is now)- There is no NSD but a deadline day to sign, that’s it.
Too many rules as it is now.
And stop these circus shows they use to announce their commitment. Don’t give these kids that kind of attention.
Having Coaches dance in their living rooms? Seriously a circus of a process. Paul Bear Bryant would tell them to piss off.
LOL
Yep. What a joke. And using that to determine if a coach is cool. How about a cool coach being someone who supports you and helps you transition into an adult?
Honestly, I think if a Stoops or Saban type coach held their own self-respect in those instances, and said, No, I won’t dance for you kid, and here’s why: …… and then proceed to tell them of their values and respect for other humans, and dignity, and self-respect, and honesty and commitment, and all that jazz. You’d have the kid, (and his parents) ready to sign right there, unwavering. Then, when no one is looking, you bust a move out the door on your way out, with NO FILMING. Corporatism, media, and money (one and the same really) have almost ruined what was once a great, great thing… and I’m not meaning just football.. This media, money driven world is nuts, and ruthless.
Very good points. The only thing those weak-minded, idiot-dancing coaches can do is to make sure they punish that kid like hell once they’re on campus. “I danced for you for 20 seconds. You’re about to dance for me for four-five years.”
I like it! Payback is rough!
These kids lots of times are just looking “to see what they can get away with” with these coaches (just like all kids with their parents..)
What coaches have forgotten, is that they are an extension of the parents when the kids are away at school. The kid is going to test you, and try to make you look like a fool sometimes, its what kids do. Its YOUR job (as parents and Coahces) to put a stop to that *ish, and teach them how to be respectful, and respected, human beings.
Only if he would do the “whip and nae-nae”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4sjsYjr-Ns
Agree: he wouldn’t dance with them!
Man, I’d tell them to piss off. Now if they wanted me to shotgun a beer on the other hand…. 😉
Is Saban really going to start doing Hula dances in living rooms this recruiting cycle, wearing nothing but a grass skirt and a smile??? Wow! I would like to see that!
Since Saban has sold his soul, I suppose anything else is trivial.
Now that is a funny thought. Bear Bryant dancing in some 17 year old kid’s living room to impress him.
Superstars before they’ve earned it… its sort of gross actually.
It’s amazing. I played football with a kid, a QB, who committed to Auburn. We came home from road game, which we lost. We were supposed to turn in our equipment. The line was long. He had been outside talking to his girlfriend. When he was done, he started the long walk straight to the front of the line, passing everyone.
Our DL coach saw that and drug his a** to the back of the line. He made him wait next to him. Everyone who came after the QB was allowed to jump the line. The coach made sure he was the last person to turn in his equipment.
I’ve heard before that Stoops has said basically that to a kid. As long as they stop looking so do we. The problem you run into is that you have to be careful of running off a good player because of your hard line. It’s not like most of the kids we want don’t have other offers.
The NCAA needs to step in a redefine a lot of the language regarding recruiting as this does nothing but waste the time, monies and energies of the institutions pursuing these kids- this is not a game and pitting one school against another like pawns in a little kids game needs to stop, yesterday!
No offense whatsoever brother, but isn’t that what the coaches have been doing to the players almost forever (or as soon as winning became “win at all costs..”)?
I’m totally with you on something needs to be done to clean this up, but kids are holding spots for themselves, while listening to offers that might be better. Very few anymore are these types of kids that “grow up wanting to play for one school only, no matter what.” The age of information, technology, and social media, has turned this into (for better or worse) a business decision for these players. Sooooo many of them nowadays have been hyped up since sophomore or junior year, as if they are already super-stars. And the college coaches are totally complicit in this, and if fact, almost caused it. And they caused it by the way they “pit players against other players” (a la Harbaughs of the world, and Saban’s Greyshirting…) This has caused the players to look out in their own interests (as they should), because frankly, you can’t count on most (big time) coaches these days, to have the players best interest at heart, because they don’t. They have their bottom line, which is win at all cost (because if not, its their job, and livelihood).
This sucks, and is totally a product of the Corporate world (i.e. money, money, money thoroughly infiltrating and pilfering our every day way of life, in every aspect.
Sigh.
Exactly- and no offense taken whatsoever. Things have been building up to this dysfunctional circus for some time with social media being a huge contributor of late.
My whole point in this is that I feel for things to return to a respectable level, something needs to be done and the only entity that can mandate that something be done would be the NCAA itself. My suggestions were just that, suggestions. I don’t have THE answer but just thought I’d throw a few ideas out there.
At any rate, I hope we haven’t reached the point of no return because College Football is one of the last sports I can stomach; the NBA and the NFL are sickening to me because of all of the “planet me” mentalities by everyone involved from the media to the players and owners- I do not wish this “business environment” to infect the college game, probably a futile wish but it is my wish just the same.
The only kids that are committed to a school are the ones that actually know the definition of that word.
That’s asking a lot apparently.
That’s asking a lot apparently.
The only kids that are committed to a school are the ones that actually know the definition of that word.
well hes not gonna close it off even if hes committed probbaly gonna listen to offers and everything alot of kids do that its more of not the norm to stop listening to teams once u committ. look at ous last class how many completely stopped the recruiting process when they committed maybe im wrong in my assessment of things
well hes not gonna close it off even if hes committed probbaly gonna listen to offers and everything alot of kids do that its more of not the norm to stop listening to teams once u committ. look at ous last class how many completely stopped the recruiting process when they committed maybe im wrong in my assessment of things
The guy can do whatever he likes, but if it were me & I were OU’s coach I might have to rethink the offer. He’s a 3* and he’s made at least 2 trips to texa$$. If I heard one more questionable comment or visit, I walk away. Maybe come back later to see if we still had a place for him later.
Our recruiting process is still open…
is this a ’17 guy
yup
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Ugh what a day. S’posed to be like this on Monday
Bad Friday for me too.
You and me both brother – whew. I actually have to run again – still making up for my wonderful/scary Wed on here.
General Questions pondered while still feelin’ good about NSD:
1) Since this is LR second season, will he be able to progress his Air Raid further? (Isn’t there a Chapter 2 and Chapter 3 to this thing?
2) If so, will Bedenbaugh be able to keep up, given that he has new people in the interior line?
3) Will Perine be back to his “old self” – 100%?
4) Will the DL finally be disruptive like the Selmon brothers were (spent their college careers literally in the offenses’ backfield).
5) Will the Defense as a whole be a “shutdown” defense, dealing in 3-downs-and-out, thus minimizing the dependency on late game “breathers”.
My answer: I dunno.
Why have a Canadian do NFL Bud Light commercials? The dude is infamous to the Cheech and Chong approach. Probably never drank a beer in his life. Pathetic dude imho!
Looks like the DMN is declaring OU football dead
Insanity Is all around.
If making the Championship playoffs equates to being dead. I dont want to be alive.
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