A Quick Note On The Dorial Green-Beckham Waiver

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As many of you know by now, the news broke yesterday that Oklahoma has reportedly filed their official waiver request seeking immediate eligibility of former Missouri wide receiver Dorial Green-Beckham. It’s a case not all that dissimilar — strictly in terms of the process, not the details surrounding each respective player’s circumstances — to the one they went through just a couple years ago with Jalen Saunders. In fact, in OU circles the Saunders case and particularly the timing in which he was ruled eligible has been used as a very common comparison for what people should be expecting in Green-Beckham’s current situation.

However, I have heard almost no one mention what I believe to be one very key detail in Saunders’ case and why he was not ruled eligible until mid-October.

Let us quickly revisit the timeline which brought Saunders to Norman. Word of his transfer from Fresno State first broke in April 2012, then a little later in early May it came out that he would land at OU. And while there were no official reports as to when Oklahoma first requested his waiver, it obviously took place at some point during that summer of 2012. Then, in September, Bob Stoops in one of his weekly press conferences announces that Saunders’ request was denied. At which point, at this is what I’ve been getting at, he would appeal and later — the week of the Texas game — be granted immediate eligibility.

All of which is to say if you’re looking at Saunders’ case and using that to set an expectation of not hearing back on Dorial Green-Beckham until halfway through OU’s season, then you could be in for a rather pleasant surprise. BUT (and this is the King Kong of ‘buts’) it bares repeating, as we’ve made clear here a number of times, there is no predicting what the NCAA is going to do.

Yes, by the letter of the rule Green-Beckham and Oklahoma have a strong case as to why he should be ruled immediately eligible.*

(*I’m not even going to get into here whether or not he “deserves” immediate eligibility. It’s an entirely different argument and will only distract from the point of clarification I’m attempting to make with this post. If you’re on the side of this being at least a fourth chance and him being undeserving of playing this season, that’s an argument I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with. But the rules are the rules and all Oklahoma is doing with this request is adhering to them. So if you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the NCAA. But you probably are already for any number of different reasons, and like I said we’re not here to argue the right or wrong of this. So….moving on.)

Yes, people close to the program still remain confident Green-Beckham will be ruled eligible.

But at the end of the day it’s still the NCAA. They could wait until the Bedlam game to rule on this if they really wanted to. No one can force them to make a decision in a timely manner. So this could still take just as long as it did with Saunders, or possibly even longer. We don’t know and that part of this equation has not changed since the day Green-Beckham first arrived on campus, and it won’t until we have an official ruling from the NCAA. And even then OU could still appeal the decision, if the initial request were to be denied, just like they did with Saunders. All anyone can do now is wait.

So while none of this is really news per se, I just wanted to make that point of clarification regarding Saunders’ appeal of the initial ruling and a reminder of that (the appeal process) being the primary reason he missed the first month of the 2012 season. The comparison of the process itself between Saunders and Green-Beckham is a valid (and popular) one, but many people seem to be forgetting some of the more important details regarding the timeline.

35 Comments

  • Eric Hoffpauir says:

    Wasn’t there also some medical documentation that needed to be followed up in Saunders’ case?

    • Jordan Esco says:

      I believe he made the case for some type of allergic reasons, but I don’t know the particulars of what they made their case on.

      • Jared William Reininger says:

        If I am not mistaken it was a “breathing condition.” Something about how the constant high humidity of Fresno was hurting him or causing further issues. But it has been a few years but I am too lazy to google if there is a documented reason.

  • Jim says:

    I don’t remember all the details of the Saunders transfer, but I believe the biggest difference here is the “run-off” rule. For that reason, I believe DGB’s situation will be settled more quickly than Saunders’ was. That aside, I think we’ll be fine w/o DGB if he’s not ruled eligible until B12 play starts, but DGB will certainly provide a difference-maker once conference play begins.

  • BR says:

    I kinda get the feeling that with the NCAA getting all this pressure of late and somewhat on the hot seat to pull their heads out…They just MIGHT speed up their process on these things…anyone else feel that way? (atleast in hopes 🙂

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Personally, I don’t think they’re going to cave to any pressure. I think it’s much more a case of the rules being in OU/DGB’s favor and if Mizzou is truly on board as we’ve been led to believe, then the NCAA would basically have to accuse them (Mizzou) of being liars in order to deny the request.

  • John says:

    I thought all of the “run-off” request were determined within 7 days of being filed? That’s the rumor going around is the NCAA set a 7 day turnaround time.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      I’ve never heard that, but that’s not to say it is untrue. Just not familiar if that’s the case. Though I will say that seems abnormally quick when it comes to dealing w/ the NCAA.

  • Roger Nixon says:

    Good post. I had forgotten about Sauders application being denied and then appealed.
    However this goes, I trust in the coaching staff.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Thanks for saying so. Part of me felt like this wasn’t necessary, but I just keep hearing so many ppl compare it to Saunders but failing to mention his appeal of the initial denial.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Has anybody at OU, or DGB himself, made it clear if there were any restrictions on how many years he’d be at OU? Early on in the talks of him transferring, there was a lot of talk that OU would require him to be at OU for two years, or else we wouldn’t take him. Does him playing this year affect that two years? Is no such restriction in place? Just curious.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      If if there was a “restriction” in place, it would never be anything OU could ever actually enforce. We’d heard when he first came there was an unspoken agreement that he’d stay two years if his appeal was denied and he didn’t play this year, but there’s never going to be any actual proof of that. Because neither he nor OU would ever acknowledge it, IMO.

      If he plays this year, barring some type of serious injury I don’t see any way he’d be back in 2015 (but again, that’s JMO). If he has to sit, it’s anyone’s guess what he’ll do but I’d bet on him staying at OU and playing in 2015 to try and help his draft stock.

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        Thanks.

      • Matt says:

        I know I’m going to get replies from people on this who will probably call me an idiot but I think I’m just more of a realist. Is DGB really that great of a prospect? I mean in two years on a spread passing team, his best season wasnt even 900 yards. Do we really expect him to transform our offense?

        • Jordan Esco says:

          He had a crap QB throwing him the ball. And Mizzou really misused him his first year, IMO. His pure talent, IMO, is greater than any WR OU has ever had. Now can he translate that to the field if he’s allowed to play this year? I can’t say, but talent won’t be the reason why.

        • JB says:

          Not an idiot, it’s a fair question. I’m not sold until I see it on the field. I’m also not sold on players from MO…not exactly a hotbed of football talent. He could be just like Tim Couch, who set all sorts of national high school records for passing in Kentucky (also NOT a hotbed of talent), put up some good statistical seasons under hal mumme and mike leach, but turned out to be a bust in the NFL who lost his job to Kelly Holcomb after being taken 1st in the draft.

          That said, being a WR isn’t as complicated as being a QB. DGB’s size & speed give him natural advantages that, if combined with a strong work ethic, give him the chance to be a difference maker. Add a better throwing QB in the mix, that should also help him put up better seasons at OU.

  • Bill Duncan says:

    Do we know the amount of time that Anthony Hickey from LSU had to wait for his decision? He had the same request under the run-off rule.

  • Boom says:

    Be cool if DGB was approved to play the week of Tennessee. Have mercy.

  • JrsySooner says:

    From what I have read the NCAA has been encouraged and agreed to process run of waivers immediately….Jalen also had HIPA in place and such was a health issue and the concern for the health of him was the deciding factor in my mind.
    DGB and Mayfield are in the exact same boat except for those you know what’s at TT who are blocking Mayfield’s transfer….This hurts TT more than it helps because they are getting media attention as being unfavorable to student athletes….especially a kid they did not recruit..
    I think Mayfield will win his case and I feel DGB will lose his appeal because all a kid has to do is get in trouble, transfer and play immediately somewhere else which is not fair to others whom are waiting for appeals for whatever reason.

    Hope that made sense

    • JB says:

      No, that makes sense, and SHOULD be the way things work. But this is the NCAA. When do they do things that make sense? I’m on the side that believes Mayfield–particularly as a non-scholarship walk-on–should be immediately eligible, and I’m disappointed that we allowed DGB on campus. But I bet it will be the exact opposite that happens. DGB will play and Mayfield will be forced to sit out a year. My only hope for Mayfield is the NCAA’s current high level of unpopularity combined with their fear of the power 5 conferences leaving the NCAA to form their own league. Maybe, just maybe, that will drive them to be more fair with players like Mayfield.

    • Rene Goupillaud says:

      Agreed, TT is hurting itself. Kingsbury is coming off as a petulant child. Texas High School coaches will take note. Opposing coaches will use it against them.

      This is what stubbornness and a feeling that one must win gets you. Kingsbury derails himself before he gets started. But it’s TT and we know they make mistakes in Lubbock.

  • DrLov says:

    I have a feeling that the NCAA rules quickly but against him being eligible. I do not think the NCAA wants to start a precedence with allowing someone to become immediately eligible after having three run-ins with the law and then being kicked off his team. If granted eligibility this season, then DGB is not “punished for his crimes” and they will not want to open Padora’s box for future cases.

    • Steve says:

      The problem is they’ve already set that precedent several times over the past year. OSU get a transfer from LSU (in basketball) who had a very similar situation as DGB. He is eligible immediately. It would be pretty easy to argue that precedent is what will eventually allow DGB to play this year. But that would require the NCAA to actually give a crap about the precedent they’ve set and not just make it up as they go along. So I’m not optimistic.

    • Rene Goupillaud says:

      Disagree. He was punished because he was forced out at Mizzou, his chosen school, as well as the SEC which we all know is the greatest conference of all time ( including the NFC and AFC).

      Second, the NCAA isn’t in the business of determining criminal accountability. Their supposed to follow their rules and only their rules.

      Americans seem to forget that we have a process for proving guilt. That process is difficult, intentionally difficult. It may upset people that sometimes the guilty go free, but that beats the heck out of sending the innocent to jail. Substituting a different process (Title IX or the NCAA) because our criminal justice system didn’t satisfy our need to punish people is un-American.

  • 89Sooner says:

    I think the piece with DGB is that in all off field issues he was never charged with even a misdemeanor. So is Missouri stating that he was let go from program to give him a fresh start, not because he was in legal hot water? Is OU stating DGB could not go back to MU not due to any legal problems, but was let go despite never being charged of any wrong doing?

  • Boomer4life says:

    I think the appeal goes through, and we see DGB on the field this season.

  • Mike Reed says:

    Just saw this story on CBS Sports about DGB. It was published today and written by Dennis Dodd. That guy is a tool.

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24659126/dgb-wasnt-run-off-at-missouri-he-was-a-knucklehead-so-why-is-ou-so-interested

  • Jimmy Cutter says:

    Let’s talk WR outside of Shepherd, Neal, Brooks, Quick, DGB. Who’s been standing out that appears to have a real chance to play besides these guys? These guys I think play, but who’s coming on after them?