An Over-Analysis Of OU Football’s Online Roster(s)

A friendly public service announcement: You know you have way too much time on your hands if you find yourself reviewing the discrepancies in Sooner Sports’ two online football rosters for height and/or weight changes.

That’s what I’ve been doing for the last half hour or so.

Here’s what I found.

But, first, a quick disclaimer. For whatever reasons, there are two different rosters available online at Sooner Sports. There is a web version (here) and a PDF version (here). Because — as we’ve previously established — I have way too much time on my hands, I know that the measurements listed on the web version, with the exception of this year’s incoming class, have yet to be updated since last year. The fine folks at Sooner Sports, who I’ve always felt do fantastic work, will update this roster periodically and with much more regularity during the actual football season. They’ve been very good about updating them in the past, but they’re human just like the rest of us so mistakes can always be made. Which is just another way of my qualifying all of this with the caveat of me relying

However, we’re not currently in the actual football season (as if you needed me to remind you of that). Which, frankly, is the primary motivation behind this post. It’s the offseason. We’re all desperate for things to talk about OU Football related. So any and all excuses to do so are on the table, at least as far as I’m concerned.

And this leads me into the second version of the online roster available on Sooner Sports (again, found here), which at the top of the page indicates it has been updated somewhat recently (as of Feb. 6, 2014). They’ve been very good about updating the rosters in the past, but they’re human just like the rest of us so mistakes can always be made. Which is just another way of my qualifying all of this with the caveat of my reliance on their data.

Why does any of this matter you may be asking yourself. Well that or cursing me under your breath to hurry up and get to the point.

It matters because it could give us some insight into the work the players have been putting in this winter and how some of those younger guys who could be asked to play more significant roles this year have been developing.

Again, before we review the results, let me just remind you I’m simply relying on the information available to us. I can’t guarantee you the figures listed on what is the more updated roster are 100% accurate. I just know there are differences between the two, because I took the time to review them both and found a number of said differences to be rather interesting. So as long as we’re all cool with that and you’re not going to hold my feet to the flames because of my reliance on second-hand information…..we can proceed.

I lied, one more. Any critique of where a guy may or may not be is done with the full and obvious knowledge that there are still approx. six months between now and the start of the season. So still plenty of time to get work in.

Okay, for real this time. Here we go.

– LB Dominique Alexander: Previously listed at 6’2″ 216 lbs. Now listed at 6’0″ 217 lbs. | Not sure where those two inches went, but for a guy who many felt was undersized last year would have liked to see more than just that one pound jump in his weight.

– TE Blake Bell: Previously listed at 6’6″ 252 lbs. Now listed at 6’6″ 264 lbs. | Back up to his fightin’ weight with that move to tight end.

– LB Devante Bond: Previously listed at 6’3″ 240 lbs. Now listed at 6’1″ 232 lbs. | My assumption is the height differential is simply a result of most recruiting services being somewhat inaccurate, which is what I suspect they used initially. And by arriving early, with that weight loss, it looks like he’s already been putting in work to play at this level.

– C Ty Darlington: Previously listed at 6’3″ 288 lbs. Now listed at 6’2″ 298 lbs. | Again, I’m not going to focus too much on the height thing. Programs fudge that type of thing all the time, though in my opinion OU is better than a lot of others about being pretty close to accurate (typically a one inch cushion). In terms of weight, it’s very encouraging to see him up around three bills. He’s going to need that weight to hold up all year as the full-time starter.

– LB Jordan Evans: Previously listed at 6’3″ 216 lbs. Now listed at 6’3″ 214 lbs. | Similar to Alexander, a guy who is undersized at LB and hasn’t yet really put on the needed weight.

– OG Tyler Evans: Previously listed at 6’5″ 305 lbs. Now listed at 6’5″ 331 lbs. | After sitting this past year with an ACL tear, Evans has bulked up considerably (26 pounds for all you non-math majors). He’ll likely be called upon this year and that size could come in quite handy.

– OT Derek Farniok: Previously listed at 6’9″ 325 lbs. Now listed at 6’9″ 335 lbs. | Dude was already big. Now he’s just big-ger.

– FB Dimitri Flowers: Previously listed at 6’3″ 219 lbs. Now listed at 6’1″ 234 lbs. | The early enrollee true frosh already putting in work to bulk up with the expectation that he’ll play in 2014.

– RB Keith Ford: Previously listed at 5’11” 205 lbs. Now listed at 5’11” 202 lbs. | Getting lean and mean.

– TE Sam Grant: Previously listed at 6’7″ 258 lbs. Now listed at 6’7″ 267 lbs. | Somebody wake up the “they’re moving him to OT” contingent. They’ll wanna hear this.

– DE Geneo Grissom: Previously listed at 6’4″ 263 lbs. Now listed at 6’4″ 257 lbs. | That number is going in the wrong direction for a 3-4 DE, in my opinion.

– S Quentin Hayes: Previously listed at 6’0″ 193 lbs. Now listed at 6’0″ 184 lbs. | That’s almost ten pounds. Which I like from a speed perspective (already wasn’t the fastest guy out there), but how will that work in terms of holding up against the run?

– QB Trevor Knight: Previously listed at 6’1″ 201 lbs. Now listed at 6’1″ 196 lbs. | All you have to do is look at the guy to know he’s plenty put together solidly. But with those injuries last year, I fell like you’d prefer to see his weight go up, not down.

– TE Taylor McNamara: Previously listed at 6’5″ 246 lbs. Now listed at 6’5″ 240 lbs. | Again, not necessarily the end of the world or anything. But for a guy who has reportedly not seen the field because of his blocking, you’d like to see him getting bigger, not smaller.

– DE (/LB?) Ogbonnia ‘Obo’ Okoronkwo: Previously listed at 6’3″ 214 lbs. Now listed at 6’1″ 237 lbs. | Another mysterious loss of two inches, but those 23 pounds he has put on are a really good sign. He’s a guy the coaches raved about last year, even talk of maybe even playing at the time, but redshirted and could provide another pass rush threat on the outside in 2014.

– DE (/LB?) Michael Onuoha: Previously listed at 6’5″ 235 lbs. Now listed at 6’5″ 249 lbs. | See Obo.

– DT Torrea Peterson: Previously listed at 6’3″ 295 lbs. Now listed at 6’3″ 309 lbs. | This weight gain will be a trend, and a positive one, you’ll continue to see here with the guys OU is asking to play the nose.

– DT Jordan Phillips: Previously listed at 6’6″ 324 lbs. Now listed at 6’6″ 341 lbs (!!!) | Um, wow. Now I’m just assuming most of that isn’t really good weight and is a result of him being out for quite some time following that back surgery he underwent. So long as he’s eventually 100%, I don’t anticipate him getting back down to a more “manageable” weight will be a significant problem.

– FB Aaron Ripkowski: Previously listed at 6’1″ 254 lbs. Now listed at 6’1″ 261 lbs. | As though this guy needed to get bigger and/or stronger.

– DT Matthew Romar: Previously listed at 6’3″ 286 lbs. Now listed at 6’0″ 278 lbs. | The change in both of those measurements perplex me.

– RB Alex Ross: Previously listed at 6’1″ 209 lbs. Now listed at 6’1″ 221 lbs. | If he can get down the mental part, with his speed and at that size…..dude could be special.

– CB Zack Sanchez: Previously listed at 5’11” 176 lbs. Now listed at 5’11” 164 lbs. | This one in particular could be (stress, could be) troubling. My man was already pretty light for the position and what M.Stoops asks of his corners. Now apparently he’s 12 pounds lighter???

– LB Frank Shannon: Previously listed at 6’1″ 229 lbs. Now listed at 6’1″ 234 lbs. | Good to see him getting a little bit bigger.

– OT Josiah St. John: Previously listed at 6’6″ 305 lbs. Now listed at 6’6″ 284 lbs. | Not sure what’s going on here.

– LB Eric Striker: Previously listed at 6’0″ 219 lbs. Now listed at 6’0″ 217 lbs. | Two pounds is nothing for these type of athletes, but that’s still not a number you want to see going down. I think his size pretty much is what it is and clearly his game is built on a very specific asset. That said, he needs to develop more than that one move and it almost has to involve something to the inside. Which, at that size, could be a legitimate problem in terms of limiting his effectiveness.

– DE Charles Tapper: Previously listed at 6’4″ 261 lbs. Now listed at 6’4″ 269 lbs. | MON-STER.

– CB Stanvon Taylor: Previously listed at 5’11” 173 lbs. Now listed at 5’10” 170 lbs. | If he wins the starting job opposite Sanchez, as some are predicting, would that give OU the smallest pair of corners in the entire country?

– DT Jordan Wade: Previously listed at 6’4″ 296 lbs. Now listed at 6’4″ 312 lbs. | Really came on last year, nice to see him clip that three bill mark (and then some).

– DT Charles Walker: Previously listed at 6’3″ 281 lbs. Now listed at 6’2″ 289 lbs. | We’ve told you all about this kid and just how good so many think he could be. At that weight though, will we see him playing more at DE than DT in this 3-4 scheme?

That’s about it. I didn’t list every single player where there was a difference, though you might think it as long as this thing became.

So does anything stand out to you, be it good or bad? Hit us up in the comments with your thoughts.

  • OU_Sooners

    Appreciate the stats, though i do think we may be thinking way too much into this kind of thing. Players have the entire summer to put on [good] weight. Chances are, OU played Bama with similar weights and were much faster (offensively). Though, the Defense did struggle to tackle that monster Henry the entire game. Being faster is part of the scheme, but I think we’ll see dudes get bigger in the summer. No worries!
    -sidenote: don’t count Cortez Johnson out of the running to play alongside Sanchez.

    • Jordan Esco

      “though i do think we may be thinking way too much into this kind of thing”

      I completely agree and tried (apparently, unsuccessfully) to make that abundantly clear in what I wrote.

      It’s the offseason, we’re all bored, and need something to talk about. So long as you can do so w/ the mentality that you (and I thought I) expressed, it’s all just in good fun at this point.

      • OU_Sooners

        I saw what you meant, I guess I didn’t make my point clear about OU fans in general– not your post. I guess i forgot to add “sometimes” to the end of the first sentence.

        • Jordan Esco

          All good. Didn’t mean anything by what I said, just wanted to clarify my point is all.

  • Doobie74OU

    Jordan, ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS?!?! JK! It seems like most of the Defensive lineman have added weight over the Winter headed into Spring. Got to love the rotation of players on D-Line including Grissom, Tapper, Wade, Phillips, Walker and others! With the possible exception of those Corners not sure the weight losses are that big a deal till we get closer to the season. BIGGER STRONGER FASTER IS THE GOAL! Hope the light does go on for Ross, with that size and speed he could be special. Thank Jordan for the Research!

  • SoonerPhins

    I wouldn’t put to much into these numbers right now. Its only a month or so into the off season. I would like to see these numbers again after Summer practices and see how they have changed.

  • Spenser Davis

    Not really in relation to the heigh/weight discrepancies, but what is going to happen with our log jam at running back? You mentioned you thought that Alex Ross could be special, and I think I agree with you. Between him, Mixon and Ford, I think we may have one of the deepest backfields in the country. And we haven’t even gotten to Samaje Perine yet. Do you think one of these guys ultimately transfers? Right now, it looks like Ross could be the odd man out. I think it will come down to whether or not he is okay with getting minimal carries at OU or if he thinks he can be “the guy” at another D1 school. All three of them seem to be talented enough to eventually be a feature back at most powerhouse schools. Thanks!

    • Zack

      I know what you mean to me all the power schools are going to have this same issue but with ou going to more of a balanced attack there is more carries than there has been in the past.

    • soonerjunky

      I think it will be a 3 headed monster between 1. Ford, 2. Ross, and 2a. Mixon. The one who fumbles will be pulled back slightly, and the one who shines will get the majority of the carries. I really am hoping for Ross to do big things.

    • blaster1371

      Until Mixon shows up and shows what he has in practice I would think he is at best #3.

  • Shifty

    Without looking I think I remember seeing Thomas at the same size as Alexander and bigger than Evans. I wonder if he might be moved to backer/nickel?

  • Shifty

    Imagine having Tapper, Philips, and Walker all in during rushing downs..The backers would have more space to make a play with double teams the would be needed on those boyz

    • Jordan Esco

      And w/ Striker & Bond on the edges.


      • Shifty

        I’m ready for some Rufus, Box, or even Wort type hitting at the backer position..I think Wort would have had a big year last year had he stayed..he caused a lot of fumbles

        • OU_Sooners

          I often thought about Wort during this year, wondering if he felt like he made a big mistake. Unlike Striker, he wasn’t necessarily that great at getting off of blocks or hitting the right gap….. loved his aggression though.

          • Gary Robbins

            Speaking of Wort, have you any idea where he is at now. Just wondering.

          • OU_Sooners

            thought I saw something about him being with the Tennessee Titans.

          • Shifty

            Pretty sure he got cut after signing a FA deal w the titans…I think he would have benefited a lot coming back and playing his senior year when Mike and Kish tweaked the D with better backer play..just loved the way he hit…can’t wait to see that terror on our D that the other team respects and fears being hit by

          • Jordan Esco

            I believe Wort is playing football over in Europe. In Italy if memory serves.

  • pitbull17

    Good read Jordan, gave me something to do on a very rare slow day for me. As someone who is in the gym lifting weights and running everyday I can tell you weight fluctuates by a few pounds all the time. I’m 6’0” on the nose and on any given day I may weigh anywhere between 221-230. A lot of it depends on water weight.

    • Gary Robbins

      Excellent read Jordan-thanks. But mainly to Pitbull. I have the same problem. I lift weights everyday plus running. I’m 6’1″ and weighed 260 this morning. I stay between 255-260. My only problem is my weights are 12 ounces to start with and I run from my truck to the front door of our pub to make happy hour. lol. Keep up the good work I envy your dedication. I wish mine was water weight.

      • pitbull17

        I used to follow that routine all the time my friend.

        • Sooner Ray

          Your workout is much better pit, I have no doubts about that. Keep it up!

      • Sooner Ray

        The secret to a good workout is to put one in each hand (double the workout) and do some crossovers and back peddling while going to and from the truck. Just trying to up your game a little!

    • Sooner Ray

      If you went to OU you would be 5’10” and 245lbs LOL!

      • pitbull17

        Either that or 6’1″ and 250.

  • Perry Dickey

    Jordan Evans ‘looks’ bigger than 214 lbs?

  • Jake

    I think someone’s tape measure had two inches knocked off of it. Or maybe someone had a tape measured in tenths instead of inches. Pretty coincidental for a bunch of guys to all be 2″s shorter.

  • Sooner Ray

    Hell Jordan, thought you were never gonna get to the point 🙂 The drop in height is easy to explain, they forgot to put their cleats on. Used to happen to me all the time. Even today when someone sees me without my boots on they ask me if I shrank. I don’t put much stock in those rosters because I have looked at them for years and I have noticed all kinds of errors. I think they have students in study hall put them together. just my meaningless opinion.

    • blaster1371

      You and I share the same reliability opinion.

      • Sooner Ray

        Hell Blaster, I have seen them put guys in the wrong grade. How could you trust height and weight?

  • Will Narramore

    What are the chances DJ Ward sees the field this upcoming year/ have you heard anything about him in workouts. Didnt he have some sort of serious non football related injury last year?

    • Shifty

      He had his spleen removed after fall practice had started..almost assuring a redshirt…we are loaded at DE so it’s going to be a chore to get on the field..I feel confident that whoever is out there (two deep..or even 3 deep) will perform at a high level

  • blaster1371

    I have found to be rather bad at updating their rosters. The discrepancies mentioned in the article here just confirm that. Sounds like they may have had info fed to them in an inconsistent manner and plugged numbers next to names without doing much proofing.

    • zevogolf

      That may be right, but the proof in the pudding starts in September!!!

    • nate g

      You are correct. It’s only officially done every August.

  • blaster1371

    This year I expect Grissom to have a senior season that was much like the DE Alexander had the season before last— it’s starting to come together for him and he looks and plays very strong.

    • Sooner Ray

      Agreed. Grissom finally looks like he’s playing with a fire in his gut. Hope it continues.

    • Doobie74OU

      Agreed too! I think with the new Coach he finally understands what they want from him!

  • bmrsnr

    Any update on winter testing numbers? 🙂

  • EasTex

    OT, but there isn’t an open thread and thought this note worthy.
    The “King” interview with Grantland.

    • Sooner Ray

      Thanks Tex. Never get tired of listening to his stories, always a good laugh. Those old videos always make me miss those days of total dominance!

  • J.K. Abbott
  • territorysooner

    FWIW, I heard Bob speak the other evening and he said Schmidt told him the kids are working harder this winter than any year since he came to Norman.

  • nate g

    The “official” rosters they put out in the fall are always accurate at OU, unlike most programs. OU puts the time to measure and weigh every player in August. There is no fudging. I used to do this. The combine confirms this.

  • bjwalker82

    How many pounds did our Sooners lose? Don’t think this team can stand to lose any more weight.