Big 12 Championship Game Will Return Starting In 2017
Posted on: June 3, 2016
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I suppose at this point the Big 12 doing stupid things should come as no surprise. So the league announcing on Friday afternoon that a football championship game will be returning with the 2017 season, thus with a round-robin schedule guaranteeing a rematch from the regular season (and ensuring a better than decent chance of costing yourself a spot in the CFP) was met with the necessary rolling of ones eyes.
Sure the Big 12 has their “reasons” for adding a championship game.
More money, blah, blah, blah. (As if the loans they took out in Sweden using their line of credit from Sambla.se wasn’t enough.. *scoff*)
A 13th data point, blah, blah, blah.
One True Champion™, blah, blah, blah.
Bob Bowlsby and David Boren also discussed the likelihood of the league going back to two, five-team divisions. With the goal of avoiding a consecutive weeks rematch in the championship game, as would have been the case this past season with OU & Oklahoma State, because sure that makes this slightly less dumber of a decision.
It’s like these guys are constantly trying to one-up themselves doing things that make less and less sense.
Can’t wait to see what they come up with at the Big 12 meetings later this summer!
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LEAVE, OU. PLEASE LEAVE
UGh
The awful thing is, like Jordan mentioned, it’s hardly even a surprise any more when the Big 12 does something stupid. The leadership for the Big 12 sucks. Get. Out.
Wow
Wonderful
Only way I see expansion is somehow they convince Memphis,Cincy,UConn, or byu to take a substantial pay cut. Let them phase into the full big 12 payout over like 3-4 years in order to develop their market. Which has been said quite a few times…
Texas still has TCU and Tech in their pockets to block expansion.
Without expansion, this conference is dead, CCG or no. Heck, with expansion, it’s probably dead.
SoonerinLondon: “I am depressed.”
I didnt think it could get worse WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It would probably be more appropriate to be called “South” and “Teams that want to leave”, but close enough
https://twitter.com/Big12Refs/status/738810309276618752
Ha good one 76
To adhere to Big 12 rules, the Championship teams must compete in Sombreros.
What could have been!
ROBERT! WTH
What?
Good point on twitter just now: If you’re the Big 12 leadership, which doesn’t have great reasoning but let’s focus on the point, you’d think that getting a title game and increasing revenue to an ok level would put a halt to expansion talk
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/738810688034869248
Guess again, logic-boy.
It would seem the Big XII has found a way to maximize the idiocy by doing both.
Please pardon me for interjecting logic into discussion involving the Big XII – it was out of line
I was thinking of Mandel, not you.
I love your logic.
Hahaha ok fair enough
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Interesting
https://twitter.com/Jake_Trotter/status/738810963143458816
In the history of CFB, same season rematches end up with the 1st game winner winning the 2nd game 50% of the time(happened 50 times).
The winner of game 1 is likely in the better position to make the playoffs, not always, but likely.
Big 12 data says that in the current format, we have around a 62% chance to make the playoffs, but this new format will destroy your lead contender 50% of the time.
This dosent make any sort of sense from a statistical perspective. If anything, its going to drop our odds down from 62%, not increase them.
Im kinda feeling like———-
Don’t do it!
This makes me dizzy. ‘Fraid of heights!!
Most reasonable people are.
Now now, play nice.
Learn my ways!!!
Ha!!!!
That’s about 40th and Lex,….I think.
Ok now that’s funny
https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/738811843141992449
2-2-1-1-1 🙂
Yeah, because what does best out of 2 prove? smh
OU congratulations on your final win of the season over the pokes. Get ready to play them again next week.
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Holy crap, that’s an actual possibility now. Pass the bleach
Would have happened this season. After us stomping on oSu
Sooner
Reindeer: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!”
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And beat em twice, no matter. The Big 12 needs that extra game or forget CFP. Be good enough to win or watch CFP from home.
Totally disagree as this year proved it. Look, if OU had to play the pukes again, their is a strong possibility that the national pundits would construct a narrative along the lines of “OU is playing the 19th ranked Cowboys who they’ve already beaten, Ohio St (example) is playing the 9th ranked Hawkeyes, how much of a push does this really give OU?
The lame Big 12 is clearly making decisions based on public opinion. I don’t think this is the way to go.
Its not what “we” think, it’s what the Playoff Committee thinks and if you watch last years selection show, it was the one thing they kept bringing up about OU and the Big 12. All of the other selectee’s played in a conference championship game. Let’s face it, playing 9 games in a conference without a championship is done.
They brought it up and will bring up the narrative I laid out!
I’m guessing that OU and OSU will be in the same northern division, while the Texas schools and maybe WVU would be in a southern division.
Chatting with a guy at work, and just saw the same thing on Twitter:
If you go off geography, Divisions would be:
North:
OU
OSU
KU
KSU
ISU
South:
Texsa
Tech
TCU
Baylor
WVU
That might be the sorriest excuse for a division I’ve ever seen
But none of it matters as it’s a round robin!
That’s very true, it wouldn’t matter. But it would certainly look awful on paper.
On the plus side, we’d be pretty much guaranteed to make the Conference Championship every single year
That’s not a good thing. Don’t mean crap when conference competition is going to be at an all time low
Truth
Not true. This is what the SEC East has. The difference is that OU with it’s championship pedigree, tradition, and OOC schedule trumps SEC EAST Champs. This would be sweet since we play the other division teams unlike the SEC does! We are in baby!
Why WVU in the South, if it just based off geography?
I went undre the assumption that you’d want to keep the Texas schools, Oklahoma schools, and Kansas schools together with the other schools in their respective states. Then it just came down to putting ISU and WVU somewhere, and ISU to the North seemed more likely
Interesting is that could mean that OU could have to play Texsa twice, if they won the south. I would rather not play TCU twice in one year.
Beating them twice could actually be fun, though. I must admit.
I’d swap WVU and OSU. That way all the teams I don’t like will be together in the South and we can start a Civil War and the North and South can part ways.
old big 8 – 3 vs. old SWC -2 +WVU. I see what you did there.
North:
WVU
Kst
KU
Ist
Memphis
Cincy
South:
OU/OSU
Texsa schools
🙂
North:
WVU
Kst
KU
Ist
Memphis
Cincy
South:
OU/OSU
Texsa schools
🙂
But I like it…OU will get in the title game just about every year…
Welcome to the B12, where 1 step forward = 5 steps back.
To the B12, steps are just steps… no particular direction.
It’s a 12 Step Program………………..for implosion.
Na, it’s only a 9 step program now. Saxet runs the funny farm so we’re down to 8
It’s a 12 Step Program………………..for implosion.
Something interesting and cool.
If the rematch was at the best record. (OU obv)
Texsa finished two.
We can beat up on the longhorns at Memorial stadium.
That would be cool IMO.
The first positive thing I’ve seen: this would be pretty darn cool
Its the only sunshine I got from all this..
You can’t even make this kind of stupidity up.
If they do not do the round robin still would that allow us to add a non conf game so we at least can add another quality opponent to our schedule… Just seeing a division that we might possibly be in, reminds me of how terrible our conference is..
WHO IN THIS CONFERENCE IS GOING TO DO THAT THOUGH?! AGHHHH
Baylor and TCU aren’t. That “rule” we passed doesn’t mean a whole lot. They’ll find the Vanderbilts of the world and just play them.
I can’t help but keep thinking “The master at finding common ground” strikes again.
No chance OU is leaving now! Like I said Boren sold OU to the Big 12 to get the Baker rule to pass
Totally feels that way now.
Maybe for this year. But this isn’t going to stop the other conferences from making more and more money. Leaving big 12 in the dust in payouts per school.
This is my thought as well. It all comes down to simple math. When another conference comes along with the right numbers, it’s over. And when OU is out, then the rest of this pillow-biting conference will scatter to the sunbelt or the wac, or wherever. Maybe they can start a SWC 2.0. That would be cute.
Maybe he really did say “he goes, we go”.
Then got “he stays, you stay”.
I’m guessing that this means expansion is a done deal…12-14 teams. That’s the only way to get rid of the round robin and make sense of this.
Oh, wait. How could the Big XII leadership possibly make sense?
Sums it up a bit…
https://twitter.com/TomFornelli/status/738806340416606208
I love Tom
I need a job with the big 12, because these guys make alot of money to come up with crazy ideas. I loved the. BIG 12but they finally put me on the leave the conference train.
Well you would not be held accountable for anything,id like that.
the big 12 is the new big east.
Just remember we could get an awesome OP sometime today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nah, I bet this is it for today. Maybe not.
Nothing surprises me anymore. Unless we leave the B12 today. That’d surprise me.
To much going on to not have one.
Yeah, and it is weekend so you are correct.
A weekend post that involves a mister Wilson…
Yes thats positive
We fell fast. I would have put the original BIG 12 up against any conference, now we are the carcus that the vultures circle.
Poor decision making
Texas nuf said
In the SEC there is the possibility of playing a rematch in the championship game. After this decision, I see the need for expansion. BYU, Boise State makes sense to me to move further out west. Do not like the idea of adding Houston or Memphis.
Go big or go home. BYU, CINC, Memphis, UCF.
I think you have it EXACTLY right.
Possibility being the key word! It isnt guranted!
So what is the point of having divisions if you don’t expand? You have four games in your division. If you play five more games in conference, then you play everyone and it’s a round robin.
If you play four more games then you are playing everybody but one team in the other division. So we rotate ever year who we don’t play? What sense does that make?
So maybe we drop to seven conference games, now having division makes some sense, and Baylor can schedule five FCS teams. But why do this, unless you are going to expand to at least twelve?
But thankfully the Sooners stay strong and make the conference look good.
So there’s a possibility that for 2 weeks in a row that poor reindeer will be brutally molested on live television?
That’s a negative… Most likely osu will be on the Ou side, and let’s be honest maybe once every 30 years will they make it over us
Haha I know. Just had to throw a little jab in since it is a very slim possibility.
it is always nice to take jabs at the bad guys haha and Semper Fi
Semper Fi.
Curious, if Oklahoma were to leave the Big 12, which other conference would you guys want to join?
SEC preferabbly, but I’d take B10
I wouldn’t mind B10. We can reunite with Nebraska.
B1G
I’d be happy with literally ANY OTHER conference at this point.
Maybe not the ACC, but anyone other power conference.
B10 and SEC making the most geographical sense.
We got whooped by an ACC team last year… They’re in far better shape than the B12.
I kinda disagree…FSU, and clemson are really it in the ACC. If they go through a downturn, I could see them being in a similar boat.
UNLESS, Miami gets it together. Don’t think that will happen this decade though
SEC, dont want to travel north, Northeast during the winter.
Good point.
SEC because I live within six hours of something like eight SEC schools.
BIG 10. The SEC is a total Zoo it would be like playing in a conference with 4 Texas’s.
Pac12
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SEC is the only conference that gets attention. if we were in the SEC our recruiting would be much easier. we could raid the southeast.
B1G because of Jim Delany and $$$
$EC because it a better geo fit/ schedule would be awesome
Hell no to pac/acc.
B1G would be good for both the program and the academics. SEC would be very good for the program.
For all the media folks who are saying….”what are they thinking”….just remember, we’re still a conference that’s called Big 12 with only 10 teams, nuff said.
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And the Big 10 who is supposed to be the big academic conference has 14, so what is your point?
Age aint nuttin but a number? Ok I got nothin…
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And before that, they had 11 for how many years, still under the Big 10 moniker?
Easy to sit back and criticize when we weren’t in the room to hear the discussion. I personally love this and I think the B12 will benefit. Far more pros then cons. If Stanford beat ND they would have jumped OU. If TCU and Baylor Rematched in 2014 – TCU would have whooped that ass and became the true champion AND would have gotten in. Leave it up to Mr Esco to whine about something, let’s hope OU beats Texas this year or he’ll be at it again saying we need to fire Stoops.
You are truly one of a kind, Scott. 🙂
And now for something completely different.
Thats like saying ita easy to critique the walk on rule judgement they initially ruled on, because we weren’t there. Its wasn’t a good decision, we would be the only conference in history to play a championship game with 10 teams. Think about this, OU beats OSU last year the next week OSU squeaks one by OU they get the BCS bid.
The division games would be the last 4 Games of the regular season.. So the conf champ game would be against a team we wouldn’t have played in at least 4 or 5 weeks…
where did you see that at?
I dont remember it wasnt recent.. but its the logical way to do it, so that they avoid what you mentioned… then again this is the ,Big12-2+A championship game????, and cant put anything past them
I guess that is the Texas’ AD idea of throwing Boren a bone? What a monumentally STUPID idea! Ten teams and a playoff…. GD I hate this stupid conference!!!!!!
I like having a Big 12 championship game. I’d prefer to have 12 teams and a championship game, but I’ll settle for now. Until OU is in the Big 10
Just give me 2 divisions and 4 OOC games and I can live with that till we move to the SEC 8 years from now. Lol 6 years after Baker leaves…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-2NpfjsHNg
Going nowhere fast
“One True Champion”?
The new Big XII slogan is: We’re not getting anywhere, but we’re making good time.
Eh, Boo boo?
It doesn’t matter where you are going as long as you are getting there fast.
Well this is where we are heading quickly, sir
That picture may be a description of the texsa conference’s present continuous tense, rather than a future tense scenario.
Right now the big 12 are showing their hand as the reactionary conference, the conference with no plan. And that is like blood in the water to the sharks.
This has been their m.o. for years now. Nothing new, sadly.
Who cares, we reach the playoffs by winning lots of games with or without
So, say all the P5 champs are undefeated… who gets left out? The B12 team most likely.
History says PAC12. Just saying…
That was before they had 12 teams. An undefeated PAC champ USC would trump a undefeated B12 OU.
PAC12 is only one not to play in CFP..Also ACC is thought of as weaker than us..takes
Would an undefeated Arizona team?
At this point, yeah, I would think so. The national perception of the B12 is not very good at this time. Especially now with Baylor on the way out and Texas sucking.
Where do you live? I live in florida perception of OU is just fine..Arizona will never get in over OU..our OOC carries weight. Always will.
Considering OU nearly got jumped by a 2 loss PAC team, I don’t understand your point.
But they didn’t.
Obviously. My point is that a 2 loss team shouldn’t even be in a position to jump a 1 loss team. The only reason they were was due to the nat’l perception of the B12.
I understand, but my point is that the 2 loss team didn’t jump the 1 loss team and, as yet, has never happened. Even if it is close, there is no evidence that it would happen. (I recognize that there are only 2 playoff data points, but nevertheless, it doesn’t seem probable to me.)
See my OP. I’m talking about teams with the same number of Ls and who would get left out.
If you are going to bring actual facts into an argument and not just use wild speculation then the Internet as we know it is going to come to an end.
So would you argue that a 2 loss Stanford nearly jumping a 1 loss OU does not speak to the perception of the B12?
Two loss Stanford not only didn’t jump OU, but didn’t jump 12-1 Iowa in the final rankings. I don’t consider that NEARLY jumping OU. Because a few talking heads were talking about doesn’t mean it was actually going to happen.
I remember several committee members (somewhat) arguing for a Stanford inclusion and even the committee head addressed it. It was never a serious threat, but the fact that it was even discussed AT ALL doesn’t bode well.
You are welcome to worry about it if you want. I think I will wait until I actually see some evidence that it is a real problem for us. Right now OU hasn’t had trouble getting into championship games. The rest of the B12 may have a problem. That’s on them then. If they don’t want to fix it, then they will just have to live with it.
Ratings my friend..Boomer Sooner. Your opinion counts as long as you hate uterus.
Two loss Stanford not only didn’t jump OU, but didn’t jump 12-1 Iowa in the final rankings. I don’t consider that NEARLY jumping OU. Because a few talking heads were talking about doesn’t mean it was actually going to happen.
Nearly jumping = an imaginative mind.
How do you get “nearly jumping”? Because a couple ESPN guys liked them better? Come on dude.
Had Stanford been a 1 loss PAC champ they would have no doubt jumped OU.
That’s not a 2 loss team.
And it would have been deserved since we laid an egg in Dallas..
Proof? or this just your hate for the Big 12 talking?
Had Stanford been a 1 loss PAC champ they would have no doubt jumped OU.
But they didn’t.
Lol. What were you watching. We were in the playoffs the last 4 weeks of the season.
Come on dude, cut the chord to ESPN and just relax. OU has a very stiff OOC schedule and will always have one. As long as we take care of business we will always be there in the end. We just have to take care of business. This conference is not taking us down.
I would love to jump to the SEC but that will not happen. So get used to being Big 12-2 and relax.
You obviously don’t know me. I’m not even talking about OU specifically… moreso the conference in general.
So if you compare OOC strength of scheduling who is a stronger conference, Big 12-2 or SEC? Big 12-2 or Pac 12? Based on OOC scheduling Big 12 would have to be considered the stronger conference. Yet ESPN spins things to make it look like the Big 12-2 is weak. Why? Because they have money tied to the SEC. It needs to be strong. Now their is no doubt that the SEC has a couple very strong schools but I am sorry they are not head and shoulders better than the Big 12. Just not true.
Would an undefeated Arizona team?
I think it would depend on the OOC games.
No they would not. If we beat Ohio State, Houston, and then win out, we will have beaten at least 4 or 5 top 25 teams. We will be a 1 or 2 in the playoff if we win out this year.
The problem with that is say we go 11-0. If two other teams from either the SEC BiG or PAC10 also go 11-0…guess who the odd man out is.
edit: rainy seems to agree.
We will now because we have the 13th data point.
That doesn’t matter when your conference is absurdly weak and 7/10 schools refuse to schedule Brand name opponents
OU schedule is pretty damn good.
Texsa is pretty good too.
after that its a considerable drop off.
That’s my point. It’s pathetic how big of a drop of it is. And this new rule doesn’t mean anything because there will always be a Kansas to schedule.
What you want is..
A schedule that appears to be difficult but in reality COULD be overrated. That way you win games, get respect and get a CHANCE to play in the CFP.
tOSU has an easy big 10 schedule.. They are going to win 10 games regardless of how many players graduate/nfl.
Houston has the coaches/players to easily win 10 games in the AAC.
but really how GOOD are those teams.. don’t really know for sure until the end of the season but it def appears difficult.
One of the best things you can do is schedule a name school when they are down. See us scheduling Bama in the early 00’s.
No it’s not. Everybody schedules pretty well OOC who’s not named Baylor or Kansas. They’re the last two turds. Iowa State plays Iowa every year so they’re good.
Iowa has a well coached team. but they don’t really compete but every 3-4 years. Last year was a great season for them but don’t expect it year in/out.
OU- Houston, tosu A+
Texsa- Cal , ND A
Kst- Stanford B+
WVU- Mizzou B
Ist – Iowa B
TCU – Arky C+
Tech- AzST C-
OSU – Pitt C-
Baylor – none F
KU – none F
Where are you getting these letter grades? Alabama plays USC and then Western Kentucky, Kent State and Chattanooga. What s that according to your grade scale? Has to be at least a c- right? That would put the mother ship of the SEC in equal standing with OSU and TTU.
So are you saying the Big 12 is weak but the SEC is really weak?
I just used a grade scale to compare within the conference.
I didn’t mention SEC. You did.
My scope is within the big 12 only.
TCU, OSU, WVU, KSU, even Taco Tech plays really good teams from other conferences. Stop buying the crap that ESPN sells. This is a very good conference, it just happens to also be a poorly ran conference.
OU- Houston, tosu A+
Texsa- Cal , ND A
Kst- Stanford B+
WVU- Mizzou B
Ist – Iowa B
TCU – Arky C+
Tech- AzST C-
OSU – Pitt C-
Baylor – none F
KU – none F
This conference isn’t weak and never has been.
You watch this year. This is going to be one of the worst years the B12 has ever seen.
Baylor has become RapeU. They will have a significant fallout this year, they still have talent, but they won’t and may never be the same.
Texas is still a dumpster fire until proven otherwise
TCU is going to have to rebuild
OSU is in the rebuilding stages
OU should easily win the conference this year, and it shouldn’t be close. There is a huge power hole that Baylor and TCU initially filled, but wont have the talent to fill this year.
Now what?
I hope you are right.
I don’t think any of that is true nor will any of it come to fruition. lol
What makes this conference weak? TCU is not weak, Baylor will be tough again this year, OSU is a little sister but come on they are not weak. Texas has a great D and if they can get a QB will be a top 10 team again. This is not a weak conference, it is just a poorly ran conference.
Suppose Baylor goes 11-1. You think they would get in the playoffs?
Depends what everybody else does, and who Baylor loses to.
You’re thinking like a fan. Now, start thinking like a member of the selection committee. Do you want it to be said about you that you rewarded “Rape University”?
It’s not the selection committee’s job to punish them. If they are eligible for the CFP, and have a top 4 resume, they should be in, and I think they would be in.
I agree but the selection committee might value politic correctness more than you and I.
Post Season ban likely coming their way. I bet they “self impose” before the end of summer trying to get ahead of the NCAA.
What an effin dumpster fire this conference is!?
Im losing it, headed back to Jordans daily
Really want to know who voted against the transfer rule. Also does anyone know how we can get out of the grant of rights deal?
Random thought:
I do!
(spoilers)
According to Game of thrones, if you need something done.
1) Knife in the back
2) Chop their head off
3) Poisoning
4) Shoot em while they’re taking a crap
5) Surprise’em at a wedding
6) Fire
7) Cut their ball sack off
8) Push em off a ledge
9) Feed them to a pack of wolves
10) Bulge their eyes out with bare hands.
Just ideas…
Hmmmm. 10 ways, 10 teams. Which one are we?
hahaha!
10 little Indians…
Just an educated guess but: Baylor because hell they’re going down and might as well take OU down with them, Texas Tech because they’re still bitter and their coach is an @$$hole, and Texsa, well because they just suck!
There are two main ways to get out of the GOR. One is to attack it legally. That pretty much means showing that the B12 hasn’t done it’s duty. Mainly that involves showing that they didn’t get a fair value in the market. It’s possible that Boren is doing all this to set up that suit. They clearly haven’t done everything they can to make the rights worth what similar teams in the market are currently worth. That’s pretty iffy though from what I know.
The other is to find another conference who thinks we are worth enough to make up what we would lose from not getting the money from the B12. Someone who thinks we add enough value with only our conference away games and the one home game we get to keep to pay us what the B12 is currently paying us.
All I really heard last Dec. Was that OU didn’t win a conference championship game to get in. The only team not to.
OU just can’t seem to leave the abusive relationship with the Big XII. We need an intervention.
Come on…really?
This is like the loser that somehow gets the prom queen to date him. There’s a point at the end the relationship where the dude is so desperate not to lose the chick, he’s willing to do anything to keep it going, no matter how ridiculous.
It’s downright cruel for us to lead the Big 12 on this way, and the longer we stick with this loser, the more it damages our reputation.
Cut the friggin’ cord already.
Come on…really?
This is like the loser that somehow gets the prom queen to date him. There’s a point at the end the relationship where the dude is so desperate not to lose the chick, he’s willing to do anything to keep it going, no matter how ridiculous.
It’s downright cruel for us to lead the Big 12 on this way, and the longer we stick with this loser, the more it damages our reputation.
Cut the friggin’ cord already.
Who’s down with an OP, an OP? Yeah you know me! Sorry I had to its Friday and I’m ready for a beer. Weren’t we getting a big OP today and possible visitor list?
Who’s down with an OP, an OP? Yeah you know me! Sorry I had to its Friday and I’m ready for a beer. Weren’t we getting a big OP today and possible visitor list?
You can’t reason w/ the unreasonable … can’t make sense of the non-sensical. Just win, baby!! Win and you’re in. Period.
There is a lot of misery and woe today.
So if Big 12 does this 5 years ago, OSU plays LSU for NC instead of Bama.
You can paint a turd but in the end, it’s still a turd.
Yes but you will have a freshly painted shiny turd!!
Just don’t paint it burnt orange. It will be a shittier turd
Great!! Now I have that visual. THANKS!!!!
Orange is the natural color of turds actually, it’s a scientific fact
Smells like texsa.
You still can’t pick it up by the clean end!
Unfortunately, the Big 12 is a turd painted with ugly, cheap burnt orange paint…
Just brain storming here!! But what are the odds that the 12-2 is actually setting their self up to be the first sixteen team conference. I know it does not look that way thru the smoke of the dumpster fire that is going on. But could this be feasible?
I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility, although I strongly suspect that the 6 teams would not bring a lot of quality
Now that is not entirely true! Are all teams happy in their current conferences? If you start the first 16 team power confernce you would have a butt load of money to spread around. That is of course unless Texsa still demands they are superior to everyone.
Texsa is certainly not helping the issue, no question there
Maybe their waiting on the SEC/BIG to pick apart the NC/VA schools so we can get FSU, GTU,Clem,MU,ND and Duke
Now see that is what i am saying. There are plenty of good teams out there. And if you have the cash those teams will come!
You will be waiting a very long time.
Why should any decent school want to join this dumpster fire?
Also, doesn’t the ACC have a GOR as well.
SEC/BIG take nc/va schools before OU?
Absolutely. The B1G and the SEC would get those schools before the Big XII would. It’s time to face the fact that Big XII is dead. It no longer serves a useful purpose for OU. Time to be thinking elsewhere. PAC/SEC/BIG. Any of those would do.
Realistically.
How many more years until OU leaves?
I wish I knew. Maybe between five and eight. Depends on so many things.
Considering there isn’t even 2 good schools out there, I doubt they’d pull in 6.
That would take a very long term view, requiring that you get six team that you can bring up enough to keep yourself a P5 conference. You are talking about adding 60% to your current conference, if that doesn’t come with some serious contenders then you have diluted your quality even more. I can see someone taking that as a long term play. But I don’t see the kind of leadership in the B12 that can make that happen.
Well if you add 6 more teams. Then you would have to re-structure the leadership correct?
No the current leadership would have to agree to dilute its power by 60%. How likely do you believe the current leadership is going to do that.
The “true” current leadership would never dilute itself. Adding board members or any number of minions will be fine by texsa as long as they continue to keep: the LHN, veto power over any idea that they truly dislike, and final say about expansion.
That’s the definition of the texsa conference.
Not likely at all Bob. Not likely at all!!
From Scout Board:
Rick James @MerlWashburn
RT @BDavisAAS: You want big time news? Big 12 commish Bob Bowlsby says the ADs spent time today talking about “game cancellation insurance.”
Whoa!
I think that’s just in case a big game, like a Bowl/Championship game gets cancelled due to weather etc and doesn’t draw the same crowds (revenues) when made up, they still make their $
Could be wrong tho
It’s in case Baylor gets hammered….
Remember when we were the only conference that had to play a championship game?
The SEC had a CCG first
At’least now there is one true CHAMPION LMAO—————–
Can we tie ourselves and be forced to play ourselves in the Championship game. (Red & White spring game style)
Do they get to tackle this time?
Time for big college football to do away with conferences and move to a regional pod system with a 12-team playoff.
I like our chances in our regional pod!
Eight 9-team regions. Ours would include KU, KSU, OSU, Arky, Mizzou, Baylor, Texas, A&M
Had to work and missed this thread –
Long and short =
1) whip cream on a cowpie.
2) Boren “getting his way”
3) 10 team conference still
4) replay game for championship (4b) and WHAT happens with a 3-way tie?
5) LHN…
6 to 10) OU still stuck in 12-2.
Haven’t read many comments today yet, and it appears at first glance that my long day sweating in the pasture accomplished more than this crappy conference did.
Yep, If you sidestepped ONE cowpaddy, you accomplished more!
If you haven’t seen the sewage Grobe is spewing right now go check twitter. He’s retaining all of Briles asst coaches, off and def schemes, and is not releasing any of the 16′ recruits from their NLI’s. He’s either drinking BU’s koolaid or just a mere puppet in their irrational world!
It appears that was part of the job description package. He’s just doing what he’s told.
It’s like a doctor being told to cut out a cancerous tumor with a plastic spoon. And he agreed to try. smh
In other news…The captain of the Titanic has decided that from now on their will be a shuffleboard championship game pitting the top two passengers, even if they have already played each other.
…and the captain has already sent a radio message and verified that this plan is acceptable to texsa.
While it’s kind of silly to have a CCG with only 10 teams, having the game is still better for the league than not having it. And there is no guarantee we’ll still be at 10 teams in 2017.
Some of you get too worked up over something that you probably have about 10% of the information about. Simma down.
I don’t see where it’s better for the big 12 when, as the TFB said above “ensuring a better than decent chance of costing yourself a spot in the CFP.” If you go through the regular season undefeated and you play a quality non-conference schedule (sorry oSu, BU and KSU!), you are in the Final Four. Lose the championship game to a team you already beat and you are out of the CFP and more than likely so is the team that just beat you. The 13th game hurts more than it helps, and it is absolutely unnecessary. The payout from the CFP will be worth a lot more than a CCG loss and Cotton Bowl payout.
How many times has a Big 12 team finished the regular season undefeated? Not many. Not many at all. Going forward, lets say over the next 20 seasons if things were to remain the same for that long, having an undefeated team lose in the CCG might happen once.
It helps the conference b/c it’s another game of exposure for the conference as a whole, it’s another game for the Big 12 regular season champ against what is probably a top 15-20 team at worst, and it’s another game that draws revenues in for the conference. Between advertising and all that jazz, I forget what the exact number is, but a CCG brings in considerable dollars for the conference.
While I agree this game won’t do much for actually deciding who the best team in the Big 12 is, there are PLENTY of other benefits, some of which I named above. If every other P5 conference is playing this game, we should be too. The same argument OU fans were making when the situation was reversed.
No.
The expansion should come first, then the playoff game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZtl0x4hSy4&ab_channel=onikuno
I’ve been running this thought through my beer infested mind for a couple days…..could we get the extra data point by letting the two bottom teams play a game at the end of the season to establish a solid last place? Makes sense to me and it wouldn’t knock the top team out of the playoffs, call me crazy.
It’s hard to listen to Onikuno. He makes good points, but he’s hard to listen to.
It’s possible that Boren got the expansion for next year and keeping it quiet
Guaranteed first year Championship will featured a undefeated team and a 1 loss team at the hands of the undefeated team. The one loss team will win the “Championship” game and all this talk about One true champ sounds even stupider than it does now.
Well…that’s like…your opinion….man. sorry saw the doobie and that was first thought..
Nobody ever brings this up, but if the 1 loss team had to play on the road, how is that fair? Maybe the 1 loss team is better, and would have won at home or at a neutral site, which in your scenario they did.
That’s a part of the round robin everybody leaves out. Sure, you play every team once, but sometimes you get the team that might be better than you at home. That’s an advantage.
https://twitter.com/mikeaustin/status/738861634291011584
As awkward as the ESPN interview was the other day, this surprisingly beats it. Ken Starr and the Baylor administration is getting more embarrassing by the day. Watch the video via the link to Yahoo.
Ouch, that is ugly.
The Big 12 Rematch Game presented by Dr. Pepper.
Or Pepper Hamilton
Check out @FauxArtBriles’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/FauxArtBriles/status/738466293439832066?s=09
Jordan, every time the league does something you always respond in a most negative way. I’m not sure I understand why that is so. Money is the driving force in the CCG, no doubt. Why is it so negative that the conference try to maximize their revenue in order to increase the split to their members. That makes sense to me.
Every other power conference has a CCG and they also run the risk of losing a team to the NCG playoff. So, that is the risk the league has to take and it isn’t all a negative.
I am of the opinion that some OU fans just want to bolt to another conference and be done with it. I’m not one of those. I’m still of the opinion that OU’s logical place is still with the Big XII assuming they can find a way to bring in the money comparable to the other four power 5 conferences.
I’m tired of all the negative criticism of everything Big XII.
The bottom line is that if the league can’t and doesn’t even try to make it work then it is inevitable that the conference will collapse and then we will see how that works out for OU. I just don’t see the SEC or the Big X as being a savior for OU.
Bowlsby is that you?
What did he write that was negative? Many see it as objective truth. OU fans were never this critical of the Big 12 when it was the Big 8, or the early days of the Big 12. Since 2010 there’s not been a whole lot of positive things about the Big 12 to write about. In just three days this week, they managed to render two decisions that didn’t make a lot of sense, and left themselves open to criticism.
You are wrong.
The league can be improved with the addition if two teams asap, and two more within five years. Achampiosnhip game in a10-leagie team is silly.
Name four teams that would improve the conference, are available, and who would join the Big XII. Any team that would improve the conference are not available.
Memphis and Cincy are good LONG term additions, and BYU would provide an immediate boost. The fourth team TBD.
If there were any good options available, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The Big XII would have 12 members again.
Nonsense. You’re assuming the conference always does the right thing. Think again.
You are correct in that much of the opposition to the CCG comes from a group, including myself, who wish to find another conference. You’ll have to add yourself to that group since there is no way to “bring in money comparable to the other four power 5 conferences.” PAC/SEC/B1G all have conference networks. ACC has been promised one. As was admitted yesterday, a Big XII network is just not financial viable. Without a network, you’ll not get to “money comparable”.
Don’t get me wrong, I find this extremely odd, assuming the conference is still at 10 teams, but I don’t understand why everyone thinks that the only fate relative to the playoff would be negative. Yes, there’s a chance we go undefeated, lose that game, get left out, but there’s just as likely the scenario where we play ourselves in from a second place regular season finish. Every season is different.
Yes last year we have everything to lose if that game takes place.
But go back 2 years ago and have TCU avenge a dramatically close road loss to Baylor. Wanna take bets on whether tOSU would have jumped them that year? My money would have been on TCU.
It can go both ways, just sayin. Again, I think the whole thing is silly, but the hand wringing over impact to making the playoff is off base IMO.
Exactly. Take last year for example. If ND beats Stanford, we might have been on the outside looking in. However, add a CCG for us against a ranked team, and that additional data point might have pushed us past ND, especially considering they didn’t have such a game.
I know that isn’t a perfect example given we’d have likely turned around and played OSU again, but that’s an example of what can happen. Not sure if I’d prefer two 5 team divisions, with Big 12 play focusing on the other division games earlier to avoid playing rematches too soon. Ideally, we add a couple of teams before 2017 and it’s a moot point.
Also, there is already an example of an undefeated Big 12 team losing in the CCG, and still making the BCS NC game.
I’m usually optimistic and I agree with what you’re saying. We’ve been known to lay an egg during the season. This may provide the chance to slip into the championship from 2nd place at some point.
Well, with the latest comments from the meetings it sounds like the CCG will be played after some kind of schedule that makes division games played late in the season and non-divisional early. This would ensure there would be no “repeat” games within 4 weeks of each other. (No situation like last year, where OU would have beaten OsU and then played them a week later in the CCG.)
This also means, of course, divisions.
The comments also seem to indicate that staying at 10 teams could be the plan, as there may not be enough incremental revenue added to make up for the “watered-down” perception of the league if they were to add teams like BYU or Cincy.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Texas teams and WVU in one division, the rest in the other, but they’ve already said that they don’t want to mess with the OU/Texsa game, so I’m not sure how that game is played in the final four weeks of the season, as a divisional game, and still gets played during the fair. In the end, I wouldn’t want to play Texsa twice so I guess the same division is the way I’d want to go.
More to come, sigh.
We need a new thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You said it. This is boring stuff. I’m even boring myself with my own posts.
They are going to make me look at scout dammittttttttttt
Well scout still sucks.
I think it’s slow everywhere right now.
Butttttttttt we have all the visitors and not a peep!!!!!!
Don’t think Wilson arrives until tomorrow, there will be some tweets or something later. Not unusual for it to be quiet during the visit, they’re busy.
So your saying im an impatient bastard!
I didn’t say it out loud. 🙂
hahaha
R.I.P Muhammad Ali
slow——-
https://twitter.com/don_donking/status/739144548509585409
Woah..
Yeah, shocker. Wonder if he will still teach and retiring as coach only? There’s an attractive job if there ever was one.
Art briles? Haha I kid but yes that is a big time job
LOL, I was just thinking about saying the same thing but didn’t want to be run out of the state. 🙂
Hahaha
https://twitter.com/CareyWWLS/status/739135463701680128
Kinda disappointed but if he feels he has a better chance being a db at the next level then good luck to him
A championship game with a 10-team league is idiotic.