
I finally had a chance to re-watch the Oklahoma vs. Houston game yesterday. Here are a few thoughts…
Secondary
– The story of the secondary was the cornerback position. Austin was out-athleted. Oklahoma wanted to press in order to take away the easy throws but to do so you need to have played some press-technique (it also helps to have size). The technique just isn’t there. Cobb doesn’t have the technique either but it’s excusable because he’s young. Additionally, Cobb is much faster than Austin so even if he opens the gate early, he can make up for it to some degree. Having said that, Cobb was stacked on multiple occasions as well.
– I liked Cobb’s personal foul. I would’ve told him to play smart but I like the aggression. He’s young, he’s going to make those mistakes. It’s obvious he’s got some dog in him.
– Austin’s second PI call was legit. He was grabbing in the spring game and unfortunately they weren’t calling it so perhaps he thought it was ok. The first one didn’t look like much was there but you could argue it was an arm bar.
– What I’d do? Rotate them till you find a competent cornerback. I know there are only so many reps to go around but you need someone that can, to some degree, competently defend the deep ball. Oklahoma did not remotely face the best WRs they’ll face this year. Based on what I saw Sunday night, if they don’t shore that spot up, Texas WR John Burt is going to eat someone alive.
– Defending the deep ball is partly about speed and partly about technique. Jordan Thomas doesn’t have the best speed at that position on the team. However, you’ll notice he does a good job of “catching” receivers and/or staying square as long as possible when he’s aligned tight and widening the WR.
– Dakota took some heat on the post where he appeared to be beaten (ball was poorly thrown but would’ve been a TD). I believe that was on Ahmad Thomas though. Austin should’ve had inside help.
– The cornerback position really tied Mike Stoops’ hands. People were upset when he only brought three on third down but let me break down the issue so everyone will understand he didn’t have much choice.
Third and long, Mike brings three…Ward eventually finds someone open.
Third and long, Mike brings three again but changes the coverage…again, Ward eventually finds someone open.
Next third and long, Mike brings five and drops a spy…Ward throws the ball instantly and the db is beat for a conversion.
Next third and long, Mike compromises and brings four and drops a spy…Ward throws the ball instantly and the db is beat for a conversion.
Not much more you can ask from Mike. I think the defensive plan was sound. The cornerback spot is just going to have to be shored up. Again, I’d rotate everyone till I found someone who can play it. That rotation would include a look at Will Johnson. I know there are people who believe he would be the best outside CB and he’s played the position. Unfortunately he’s added some weight which I suspect will slow him down.
Quarterback/Wide Receivers
– It’s difficult to see the routes on the television but I have a hard time believing that OU couldn’t throw slants/stop routes against Houston’s off looks. My guess is those routes were there and Baker didn’t take them.
– Did anyone see a deep ball thrown on the outside? Wide receivers don’t normally get huge separation in college. If you’re waiting for a wide receiver to blow by a receiver or be wide open, you’re going to wait a while. Mayfield has to throw the ball and let those guys run under it or go up and make a play. When he was desperate he did exactly that with Mark Andrews. Andrews was covered but Mayfield put the ball out there for him and Mark made the play for him. You’re not going to develop WRs if you don’t let them compete on the field.
– Everyone I speak to that attends practice believes AD Miller is a monster. I don’t know if he is but I’m interested in finding out. Put him on the field and throw him the ball.
– Dede Westbrook is scary sudden. Gotta find more and more ways to get him in space.
– I have a hard time believing that if OU gets AD Miller, Dahu Green (did not travel dude to concussion protocol), Dede Westbrook and Mark Andrews on the field at the same time they won’t be able to mess some teams up.
Run Game/Offensive Plan
– JY and I spoke about this quite a bit. Oklahoma didn’t run downhill much. What little running they did was primarily lateral. You didn’t see a lot of power, etc.
– As I went back and watched, it’s pretty clear that the staff believed that this was a good way to attack Houston’s downhill attacking style defense. In theory it certainly made sense. However, I think it’s probably overthinking it a bit. Again, I get the thinking of trying to slow their attack by making them defend the lateral run game and making their secondary hit Joe and Samaje (one of them hit Samaje like a boss). But you’re also asking your offensive line to be more athletic than they are. Let the big boys lean on someone.
– Mixon is a straight dog.
– The right guard struggled quite a bit. The other guys played well but it seemed like there was always someone making an error at a critical time. Bowser slipping inside on Orlando Brown to cause the fumble comes to mind…though Brown seemed to play well in general, that error was costly.
Defense Line
– I thought the defensive line played very well. Walker is of course the star. But you can’t discount Romar’s motor. He isn’t the most talented guy but he plays with a lot of heart and makes things difficult for the OL on the inside.
– Dimon looked better than I’ve seen him look.
– Again, this was the strength of OUs defense. Kudos to Thibs. I’ll be interested in seeing how they do when they face better and better offensive line talent.
– I like that they’ve got a nice rotation going in there.
– I hope OU finds a way to get the most out of Overton and eventually Lampkin. It’s unfortunate that a guy like Lampkin, who looks physically better than any other DL on the team, hasn’t gotten things figured out just yet. It’s also unfortunate that the most sudden NG the Sooners have can’t find his way on the field.
Linebackers
– It’s pretty clear in my estimation that Obo was pulled too early last year. Obo is physically more gifted than both Striker and Bond. Everyone seemed upset about his errors in the first half but his ability more than made up for it in my opinion. If Oklahoma would’ve let him play more last year, he would’ve gotten over the mental errors. And if he didn’t then at least you’d know. I know the coaches see these guys in practice everyday but at certain point people are going to start wondering where all the dogs are…
– I’d starve Jordan Evans a bit. Emmanuel Beal came in one play and read it so fast it looked like a run blitz (it wasn’t). You want a vicious dog, starve him a little. I’m not saying Beal should replace Evans based on one play. Evans should remain the guy. But nothing wrong with giving Beal a snack. If nothing else, it’ll light a fire under Evans. Right now, Evans just looks like a decent LB out there. I remember him as a young LB, flying around…really thought he would’ve developed into an all conference LB by now…and a vicious one at that. I have to believe all the weight they put on him doesn’t help.
– I’m hoping we get to see some Caleb Kelly and Kapri Doucet soon. Again, it’s not so much about Will Johnson but more about trying to make sure you’re having these guys compete and stay hungry. And also building depth.
– Don’t think I saw Bolton on the field at all.
General Rotation Thoughts
As a general note, Oklahoma is a 3-4 defense. Your linebackers needs to be extremely violent and athletic. No amount of weight is going to make your LB the same size as a lineman. The notion of piling weight on these guys just don’t register with me.
In general, I think the staff is going to have to relook at their desire to ensure that everyone is “ready” before they get on the field and figure out how to get some guys some snaps to get a little more competition going. We watched Zack Sanchez, for years, get eaten alive at times but the staff didn’t take him out because he “made plays”. Let some guys rotate in a little…let them take their lumps and everyone will start making more plays. OU didn’t lose because of Obo’s first half mental errors. The game was pretty much tied at half. But by keeping him in you got plays out of him in the second half that led to the defense getting off the field.
Last year when Tulsa native, Joshua Jacobs signed with Alabama I saw Sooner fans saying, “he’ll get buried on the depth chart”…”he’ll never see the field”. Well the irony is, he took snaps as a true freshman at Alabama, a place whose starting RB hasn’t gone lower than the 3rd round since Saban got there. Meanwhile, OU’s star freshman running back, who happens to be very very similar to Jacobs, still “isn’t quite ready”. In boxing we say, “a coach teaches you to box but you learn to fight in the ring”. So I’m not questioning what the coaches are seeing in practice. They see it everyday. And I’m not saying you take some of these young guys or backups and make them starters or even heavy contributors. I’m saying, aren’t there a few more guys that can take a few snaps? To…1) develop depth 2) keep the starters hungry and feeling that sense of competition 3) to keep more and more players engaged…etc.
Final Note
This team is definitely better than what they showed on Saturday. And they’re definitely better than Houston. A lot of things went wrong. But I think you’ll see things get better…
I think you’ll see Oklahoma commit to a downhill running attack more. I think you’ll see Mayfield distribute the ball. I think the emergence of Obo will give the Sooners two difference makers (Charles Walker being the other) on the front. They’re going to keep searching for a competent cornerback. They’ll need to find that soon. I think you’ll see the receiving threats emerge.
OU may have been overrated going into the season but I think they’re being severely underrated after the loss to Houston. This is still a good team if they want to be.
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Great stuff TFB.
Thanks!
John Burt is a burner.. if he catches consistently… top 2/3 WR in big 12
He can fly. Foreman on the other side can as well. Now they’ve got a QB that can throw it.
And the freshman Duvernay(sp) that isn’t even playing yet. Track speed.
Was thinking the same thing. If Burt and Foreman are wide on either side, Duvernay will be a major pain running the slot.
IMO, Amanti is good, no question, but to me, does not have the “finesse” to make up for Buchele’s inaccuracies. Burt on the other hand does. Related note: I was MUCH more impressed with his brother. That kid is a beast and plays with a chip on his shoulder.
TFB, is there possibility of moving Parker to CB and Haughton to Safety?
I don’t think Parker would hold up out there.
Those Dbs should be licking their chops in practice to get that start against ULM. Whoever has a nice week of practice and makes plays on ULM will get the nod against tOSU. The most anticipated non con home game since notre dame.
It’s clear the schedule would have been more in favor of OU if ULM had been first up. But, at least there’s a creampuff before tOSU.
I think it worked out better this way because playing against ulm lets your talent make up for deficiencies that you wouldnt be able to make up against Houston.. better to know now and figure it out a week before we see tosu
Thanks for the review. I’m feeling much better now about Obo. And I appreciate a lot the chance to see that Mike Stoops WAS trying to make some adjustments, they just weren’t able to work without a corner who could cover.
Thanks for the review. I’m feeling much better now about Obo. And I appreciate a lot the chance to see that Mike Stoops WAS trying to make some adjustments, they just weren’t able to work without a corner who could cover.
Did get quick get any reps on sat?
not that I saw
your take on pj mbanasor sp?……….so highly regarded by this site, rough time last yr and nothing this yr…………thxs
Bummer. Couldnt have done worse than what was out there.
If the practice reports from the OP are true and Quick gets the start at CB….isn’t it a little weird he didn’t at least get a shot against Dunbar?
We weren’t reporting that he will start. Only that he was with the first team yesterday. But Parrish was taking more reps last week than Quick so it wasn’t surprising that he was the first CB in after Austin.
Thanks also for the reference to Jacobs getting p.t. at Bama. This year, more than ever it seems, freshmen are getting on the field at major programs and contributing. Let’s not get left out of that trend.
Good stuff K!
I am not a fan of sending three and dropping the rest. Unless you have Julius Peppers and Reggie White rushing the passer, eventually someone will get open. Overall it seemed our LB play was “slow”. Lets get some of these guys in there who can RUN to the ball.
Agree but again Mike tried to bring more and the back end was instantly beat. And agree, the LBs are “slow”.
So you’re saying it’s better to die slow agonizing death than a quick one. Either way you’re just as dead. so the only way to have a chance is to risk it and try to get pressure.
On a couple of those plays where we didn’t rush more than 3, one or more of those three had a play on the QB that should have been made (IMO), but wasn’t. Just b/c you rush three, doesn’t mean those three can’t make plays. But when they get in the backfield, they have to finish the play. Can’t go whiffing on the QB, which then does allow him all day to find a receiver.
Look at the KState game last year. It was right after the Texas loss and we started out with quick passes and got the ball into the playermaker’s (Shepard) hands. We scored really quick and went on to route KState. Given UH’s defense scheme and weak secondary, I cannot believe we didn’t take this same approach.
That catch AD Miller made in the 4th Q (the one he went down to the turf to catch) was impressive. And it’s really surprising he didn’t see more time in the game especially with all the hype the coaches gave him this offseason. It’s really confusing to me as a fan when you hear about guys like AD Miller and Mykel Jones basically all summer and the first game rolls around and one doesn’t play at all and the other barely sees action. I mean didn’t the coaches and even some players say Jones had at least a little shep in him?? Just makes zero sense.
OU doesn’t let anyone on the field unless they really really trust them. That’s a good way to do things and build consistency. But it has a downside too. Sometimes your best players need time on the field to learn how to learn…if that makes sense.
all players make mistakes in game, so why have it be older/slower/less physical/ less upside etc. players out there making mistakes instead of the BEST overall player. get the playmakers and as u put it”dogs” out there and let em loose. your comment makes perfect sense, the coaches decision on the other hand…not
Couldn’t have said this any better.
Amen there.
I remember a time in history, when a young Derrick Woods made his 2nd catch of the season…an impressive 20 yard snag to convert a 3rd and long in the Sugar Bowl. I thought at that moment, “Why the heck has he not played all year?!?!” Sometimes the coaching decisions on playing time baffles me still as it appears nothing has changed….they’re the coaches and probably know best, it’s just hard to understand their ways of thinking sometimes.
IMO, Jeffery Mead should not be playing. I’ve seen him look good as a blocker at times, but he’s had more than enough time in the program to show his worth, and if he isn’t catching passes, then why is he out there? Again, I know he can block, but if that’s all he can do let him gain 60 lbs and play TE. Let’s get A.D. out there and see what happens.
Well I actually know Jeff personally so I’m a little biased when I say I don’t think they use him in the right way.. Dude is 6’5 6’6 and I understand technique is really important at this level but in the red zone just throw him the ball up and away and let him go get it. But again we’re not always in the red zone so it doesn’t always work like that. But Miller needs to be out there 100% I agree with you there.
Right which is what K is saying too I think. Why did OU recruit these huge receivers if they won’t throw it and let the guys compete a little bit!
Can we limit the Texas talk? Damn. Vomit. Keep that over there. We will get to that when it’s time.
Thanks K! Im thinking some discipline and poise are in order. Hit the bleachers guys
Oh I’m sure the new stadium seats will get plenty of love this week
I too feel better after reading this. As a fan it’s so easy to overreact and that is what I am seeing a lot of. This team held a pretty salty offense to 24 points and left many plays on the field. Bake got too cute and it cost him. This loss could be a blessing in disguise and I pray it’s just that. Hit it hard in practice this week. Give the young bucks some reps and kick the snot out of ULM. IF we can correct course and beat tOSU then look out. We have seen time and time again that wacky things happen throughout the season and we are only one game in so let’s pump the breaks a touch and take a deep breath. Like K said maybe we were a touch overrated but that doesn’t mean this team can’t wind up being special yet. I needed this today.
Somehow Mayfield thought every pass should’ve been a TD bomb?
Great read as always K. Thanks for the insight.
There was some talk before the game of “as long as we don’t beat ourselves”. Well on defense I’d say we just got beat (at least in the secondary) and on offense we definitely beat ourselves.
One guy that really struggled was Tay Evans. Why not let Beal have a go at that spot?
I didn’t pay a ton of attention to Tay but from what I recall he was decent. Again, neither of the Evans boys or Will Johnson lit the world on fire IMO. I’d create some healthy competition at those spots.
I’d disagree about Johnson, he was making a ton of plays. You didn’t notice Tay Evans because he wasn’t making any plays! Lol.
Agree about competition though. Imo sometimes attitude trumps assignment sound. I’d rather a guy play with his hair on fire and be wrong 10% of the time, then a guy just kinda out there but only being wrong 5%.
I noticed Tay a couple of times playing out of position.
On one play, it literally looked like he was lead blocking for Jordan, which created a huge cut-back lane.
Will did well especially considering some of the changes they seemed to be trying to make but just don’t think he “lit the world on fire”. But yes he made some plays. I like his hustle
He seems like a tweener trying to play a position that doesn’t come natural to him. He did play good but for that position, you need to have someone that is special.
How does one get this write up to the coaching staff? Asking for a friend. Good stuff K.
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It seems like under Bob, the starters play all the time, even when the game is getting out of hand. How many times have we seen the #1 QB in the game in the 4th with the game under control.
It was different back in he Switzer days. There were days the radio anouncers would get confused because we had a second guy with the same number out playing (rosters were bigger in those days).
We talk about “next man up” but that is a lot harder to do when the next man has never played in front of the crowd.
I’ve heard Stoops say the starters have earned the right to play the whole game. His words, not mine.
Kinda silly to not get the young guys in there sort of like basketball. Give someone a blow and let the next guy come in and see what he can do. How are they going to learn?Disappointed, but hope for better things this week.
always been my gripe too. It probably worked when everyone was running 50-60 plays, but not when all of our games are 80+. We need a legit 2 units ready to go. Kerry Cooks at least acknowledged this.
His fear of mistakes by the young guys keep them off the field IMO.
But, somehow other coaches around the country are working them in nicely. Frosh QB at texsa didn’t hurt his team and a redshirt frosh at FSU looked pretty impressive as well. And that’s at the position with more pressure than any other.
As many others have noted, I agree that Stoops has become less of a risk taker. That’s fine if a conservative approach is working. But it seems to be keeping his teams from stepping up to that next level.
Legitimate question: Does OU win if Zack Sanchez sticks around for his senior season?
Correct Answer: Yes
ehh i dunno. Sanchez isnt exactly a big kid either, possible he would have gotten muscled around like austin did too.
Maybe, although Zack Sanchez didn’t play offense which was a major issue as well
For your answer just go back and watch his game last year agains OSU… he got dominated by a bigger receiver. However if he was here, maybe we start JT on the right side of the field like he has played his entire career at OU and maybe he has more luck against Dunbar. Who knows for sure though
I’d have to say yes only bc Sanchez would’ve been on Chance Allen while Thomas would’ve been on Dunbar and would have probably snagged a pick. Though….who knows legitimately. I’m sure Herman could’ve figured something similar to what Holgerson did, just have the WR shove Sanchez to the ground and hope for a no call.
Maybe “sneaking in” a third string QB with a different jersey number for a “double pass” would make more sense? dunno.
If we had a third string QB, that would be a great idea.
I somehow thought we had five QBs
Two scholarship players that are eligible this year. Murray has to sit out. Everyone else is a walkon. Though we kind of did the play you are talking about with Westbrook. I think he was a QB in HS. It almost worked.
He must’ve been a running QB in H.S. That was a poor throw. ; ) Putting a walk-on in a #88 jersey for the one play he must execute all season, may put him in the class with Dean Blevins (when he threw the famous flea-flicker pass against Nebraska in the day).
Everything worked, except the throw.
If I only miss one question, I get a passing grade right?
If there are three quesitons, yes.
You’re batting a 1000. These are all opinion questions.
He only missed it by THAT much. Of course, THAT was by a pretty big margin.
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Another note I saw Dimon on kick return. He definitely looked like he gained some weight.
What I saw (outside of K’s comments) is guys carrying more weight than their body’s can take and still be quick. I could mention some guys but don’t need too. My point is we just need to recruit guys that carry the same weight with easy instead of trying to pack it on. my .02
Oh no for sure Dimon is one of them. I agree lets recruit guys already at 300.
I’m just really interested in seeing how many of these young guys grow up in a week.
I think we’ll see a very different attitude. I just wish it was against someone ranked this week.
Confidence builder?
Thats pretty much what it will be.
At least we hope so.
I didn’t post much but i did say a couple of things that I thought about on the way home from the game. First and most important, Stoops used to be Herman which is how he got the name big game bob. Stoops just seems to be hesitant about a lot of situations whereas he used to be aggressive and prepared. I’m not saying punt him, but if he has his swag back, then by golly show us.
If things go well this Saturday, is there a chance we see Austin Kendall?
I think so, I would throw him in there middle of the third if all is going REALLY well.
What if that happens, and we see a strong pocket passer opposed to a tendency to “over create”, QB controversy?
I like it! Sitr things up….BR already reporting that Bob criticized Baker on his performance. I think it was just honest.
Me too, as we’re building a new culture which better recruits are already responding to, makes sense to be unafraid to mix things up and allow young players to replace veterans if necessary. Strong’s doing it at Texsa, albeit he’s trying to save his job, I think it would go a long way on many fronts.
I hadn’t witnessed BS actually call a player out before, but he did with Bake yesterday. Not a snarky, demeaning way, just kinda matter of fact.
I like it, light a fire under these guys and not make excuses for them.
But Kendall can’t do the “whip and nay-nay”!
“I have a hard time believing that if OU gets AD Miller, Dahu Green (did not travel dude to concussion protocol), Dede Westbrook and Mark Andrews on the field at the same time they won’t be able to mess some teams up.” 100% agree! Dahu was always able to get separation last year just couldn’t always haul it in so if his hands are more reliable he would have helped
sk………if I recall correctly, last yr/or yr before, you commented on they don’t even practice the press technique or do so very little……..we supposedly recruited dbs with that in mind, eg pjm…….so, is this still not a point of emphasis………thxs
K, does Okudah realize he could come in and start immediately?
With Bob, I’m not convinced of that.
He would have as good a shot as any at this point.
He should, but if that were the case, Austin wouldn’t have started at CB Saturday.
Methinks Okudah would make it a no brainer decision.
From I saw it should’ve been a no brainier anyways.
I’m not convinced either.
Yeah, I was looking at Alabama this weekend. Bama played two frosh during real game play against USC (not with 3 mins left in the 4th Q), one of whom was Joshua Jacobs from Tulsa. I remember being disappointed when he did not sign with OU, but had he, I doubt that he would have played this weekend. Likewise, Michigan played two true frosh and would probably have played Kareem Walker, another true frosh, were he not suspended. Understand the Michigan game was a route, but even in routes we do not seem to use all of our talent top to bottom.
I think we really missed on not getting Jacobs.. Im sure Abdul will be another great sooner, but i think adding jacobs in this offense would have been a homerun
It’s hard to imagine that he would have gotten any carries if Perine and Mixon can’t even get theirs.
only thing that made this terrible OU weekend worse was/is how things seem to be looking up for texsa not only on the field(much improved) but in recruiting, where they are looking to be at or near the top for multiple 5 stars and multiple Ou targets..lets right the ship boys
Texas still sucks
Boomer
Pretty much matches what I was saying about the defense since the game ended. Need to shore up that 2nd CB spot, but everything else is correctable, and probably wasn’t as bad as many OU fans thought against UH.
Great read, K. Everything about it. Thanks!
I guarantee one thing. They will be practicing to defend the back shoulder throw.
Not much you could do about those. They were NFL throws.
Except have BM return the favor in spades.
I think he was trying. Too hard. That was the problem. Though I find interesting I can’t recall that being part of our offense…. Ever.
Exactly. I dunno what’s mediocre about being able to make that throw as many times as he did. That’s a complicated throw to make with a moving target.
His receiver did a hell of a job adjusting to the ball too.
I really hope so.
If I recall correctly, this was one of Riley’s tendencies from when he was at ECU. I know, it has to do with poor QB play, but it also makes it near impossible for a corner to defend, which is why they did it. I haven’t seen that yet and the DB’s certainly don’t look like they’ve been exposed to it.
It absolutely made a running QB with a mediocre arm look the real deal Saturday.
Can you imagine what that game would have been like if Ward could throw like the guys we’ll soon face? They would have beat us so much worse.
He basically had one throw, didn’t really even throw it well and torched us. For his receivers being nobodies, as athletic as they were I don’t expect them to stay nobodies.
That is a tough play to defend. Most college QB’s can’t throw it consistently enough to hurt a team with it, but Houston sure did. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other team.
very interesting article on how Houston/Tom Herman prepared for this game
http://www.campusrush.com/houston-cougars-football-beat-okalahoma-upset-1998298989.html
Jordan Parker? Antoine Stephens? Why don’t we hear about either of those guys as possibilities in the secondary?
I thought Jordan Parker was dealing with an injury for most of camp (at least last I heard). Good Q re Stephens.
Jordan Parker had surgery.
Jordan Parker had surgery.
What is the actual purpose of preseason rankings? If they’re really no value other than to create excitement and endless conversations, I think they should be abolished until at least the season begins.
Agree, but it’s about money.
From what I have seen so far, Cobb and Walker have the bent that I think we need.
Really good points. Despite the meltdowns (some warranted) by fans, thats how it felt watching the game. Dakota’s CB spot just kept costing us conversions, but when the field was smaller and his task simplified by safety help near the redzone, we got stops. And Mayfield just not taking the quick shots. Body blows win games like that. Like, Riley knew UH had a vulnerable secondary, didn’t he think that UH ALSO knew that and would use as many cover guys as possible to keep things in front of them?
I also agree with rotation. Stoops has always kind of annoyed me in that aspect. In some games where we’re blowing a team out he still won’t sub these new guys in. How else do we develop depth if you don’t just start putting guys on the field…how can you correct their mistakes? practices and scrimmages aren’t like games. Plus, it helps for recruiting to know that you can come in and play.
Where’s PJ Mbanasaurus Rex?
Extinct 😉
To me it was all about attitude. Houston had IT, and OU didn’t and hasn’t had it for some time now.
I love what you said K, let these guys be dogs. Great point with J Evans too, I think he is better than what we are seeing, and he has to be. Lastly, I never criticize Bob and don’t want to make a habit of doing so as I know he is a great coach, but Bob needs to find his dog. The hesitancy on the field is likely a reflection of those in charge.
Your write up got me jacked up to see us rise up and play football!
I don’t really agree with the, “well, except for a few blown plays and a couple PF’s, we would have won.” Let’s take those out of the equation and pretend like they never happened. If UH had a QB that could throw half way decent, it’s won of OU’s biggest flops in quite some time. If our DB coaches don’t get things figured out with a quickness, it’s going to be really ugly. What’s even worse, I’m pretty sure we knew they were going to throw and still couldn’t stop it. I didn’t see a whole lot of run plays because they knew they didn’t need to run it in order to beat us.
I’ve never been a fan of “if not for this or that”-ing our way to a win either. I expect the other team to make plays, I expect bad calls to happen, I expect our guys to not repeat mistakes.
meh all of the problems came on one side of the field, and Bob said basically that job is up for grabs big time now. We ALL knew (or should have) expected growing pains on D, it was just supposed to be supported by an awesome offense, which did not show up. I was impressed by the D for holding up as well as they did. We hold a team to 5 FGs…we sure as hell better be able to score more than them.
Yeah, I’d say holding a team like Houston to 26 points is good enough to win. Ugly at times, but good enough to win. We didn’t do squat on O for the entire second half. It’s a wonder the D held up.
With all the negativity in here over our D, it should be noted that they stil only gave up 26 points to one of the best offenses in the country. Admittedly they were far from perfect but overall they did a very good job as far as the scoreboard goes.
As for the offense, thats another story IMO. Riley needs to call a smarter game. Baker needs to focus on moving the chains and not worrying about the home run ball and the WRs need to either find a way to get separation or pack their bags. The WRs to me were the biggest disappointment of all.
I get it, the guys up front played really well. All I’m saying is, if Ward completes half of the throws that me missed on (like the QB’s we’ll face will), we aren’t holding the D in quite as high regards.
Love it Super K.. Great read.. and Great Points.. Boomer Sooner
What’s the hype with Dahu Green about because anytime I’ve ever seen the ball thrown his way (last season, spring game) he’s done nothing but drop it.
What I don’t understand is why OU is recruiting receivers with “hands problems”. Let other schools recruit those kids and take those chances. OU should be able to recruit kids that are further along in their development as a WR.
Starting to think Simmons might not be as good as advertised. And I never liked moving Cale off RB’s.
Simmons is killing it in recruiting and we needed Dahu for depth and he had shown great hands. I think the guys are coming. Baker made no one look better.
Simmons came in at the tail end of the 15 class cycle and had no chance but to grab what he could. His first real class was 16 and he seems to be killing it now. Let’s not blame him for the well known issue his predecessor had and left him with.
What I don’t understand is why OU is recruiting receivers with “hands problems”. Let other schools recruit those kids and take those chances. OU should be able to recruit kids that are further along in their development as a WR.
Starting to think Simmons might not be as good as advertised. And I never liked moving Cale off RB’s.
Freshman. Saw plenty on different teams contributing this past weekend. Saw some of them making big plays. Where were OUrs?
I refuse to believe a recently-converted Quick is a better option/plan than a true freshman having years of experience at the position. I suspect monkey business is at play where Quick was promised PT to make the switch, because they truly are THAT desperate.
Quick was a CB in HS, a 4* CB at that. He chose OU bc we said he could play WR. I don’t know if he’ll be the full time starter, but he’s more likely the best option at the moment. Need something to stop the leak opposite Jordan.
I think Jackson and Cobb were the only freshman to play. Both played sparingly though.
https://twitter.com/ChanseSylvie/status/773206490966466560
Is Mbanasor that far off? If I remember correctly, he was a big recruit and one of our former CB’s was his personal coach. It seems like he’s not even an option.
I think I’m in the minority but I thought Mbanasor played really well vs Tulsa despite it being his first game. I thought they had a really good QB and WR that made great plays against him. He was always putting pressure on the WR and he was consistently there being aggressive on the WR unlike some of our CB’s who are nowhere to be found when their man is catching a ball or they’re trying to tackle someone who doesn’t have the ball.
I happen to agree with you. From what I could tell he had his man covered pretty well. The problem that I recall is that he wasnt turning back to see the ball and thats why he was getting beat. That being said, the coaches must have seen more for him not to be in there.
I agree. Keeping with the sentiment that K posted above, I say put him in and see what he can do in another game. If only it mattered what I thought about it…
Super K Bolton was injured and didn’t play.
K, Jordan, Brandon, let me know if this is kosher. Definitely not trying to take away from what you guys are doing here, just giving the insatiable some more content.
I finished the rest of the first half of the offense.
https://jasb.squarespace.com/new-blog/2016/9/6/film-study-offense-1st-half
Take it for what it’s worth fellas. Just one guy’s opinion. I’ve been wrong many times before.
You are clear for a fly by Maverick. 🙂
Are you the same Maverick from the old ESPN insider board and the now extinct lindseyandjenkins?
Ha, I am. I think Vargo owns that domain now. I ended up having zero free time after we got that up and going. Unfortunate.
There were good guys/gals posting over there and good times for sure. TFB is 2nd to none though.
No issue on my part.
Very nice job! One of the better video break downs that I’ve seen, next to JY. That really shined a light on some of the offensive struggles. I guess I didn’t realize just how bad Flowers played. Lewis looked “lost in the sauce” and Dalton got tossed quite a few times like a rag doll.
Thanks!
Nice write up Mav!
Finally got some time to catch up on these. I love the short videos over still shots, makes it very entertaining. Good stuff.
OU is ranked 14th in the AP poll , Texass and Ohio St are ranked above us now.
Good.
Good, I wish we weren’t ranked at all. After that performance Saturday Rankings don’t mean a damn thing.
I want both those teams to be ranked ahead of us when we play them. For once let OU be playing as the underdog and with a chip on their shoulder.
Hear, hear!
!!!!!!
I don’t recall seeing Perine ever be hit as hard or fall backwards as he did on Saturday
I agree and I think that hit gave Houston a shot in the arm.
If you watch closely, instead of lowering his shoulder and taking on the hit he went to make a lateral move the last second. That’s why he went backwards.
That was my recollection, too. The defender made a terrific hit, but it was pure luck that he hit him at just the right moment.
yep, said that the moment it happened. Its easier to just say look at what the safety did to PERINE though
Just commented on that below!
I’m a well known plagiarizer
No, just meant we were thinkking same thing. It was a stunning hit.
If I recall, I think Perine was caught mid-shift, slowing just a hair and changing directions. The timing just happened to be perfect for the defender.
I’m getting a little frustrated with Perine going down in every single big game we play. Flame away!
Back in the day people were so superstitious they would call situations like these “curses”. Now people are so cynical they blame the injured party. What’s fate?
“Fate” sho do have a way of showing up only in the big games against tough opponents. 😉
Well if you’re going to keep asking why he gets hurt, you should reword it more appropriately to attack his toughness. If you want more responses.
Some of it is these kids wearing pads that are too small. They wonder why they get these injuries. They’re more interested in looking good than protecting themselves.
That’s part of it but everyone looks a second too slow on delivering or receiving contact. That’ll get you hurt every time.
Maybe but the guy is a bodybuilder playing RB and he gets more boo-boos than anybody I’ve seen. You know those pro-scouts are thinking “durability issues?”
Im sure they are, there are sometime where you need to make the defender miss for longevity. Hindsight is 20/20 but that was one of those moments.
to keep proper context…his ankle has been an injury since he was a freshman…and he KEPT playing on it regardless same with last year. This year, he injured his shoulder a little bit, and then the safety crashed and hit the same spot. Its just a stinger. Also, not for nothing but leverage matters more than size, that tackler got his pads lower than Perine, which is rare, but its also how Karl Joseph knocked him on his a** last year. UH defender made a smart play.
Toughest kid on the field, imo
Yet he comes back in every time.
I assume this was meant as a “damn the luck” comment
No it’s a “surprise” comment. I don’t see how a guy his size gets hurt as much as he does.
Possibly because he is involved with contact more than the normal running back that will try to make you miss? If you’re going to keep to doing a certain thing there are going to be times where you are on the receiving end of it, no matter how big and strong you are. Sometimes you just get caught out of position.
Specifically thinking of the time that Karl Joseph caught when he was trying to side step and laid him out (in regards to my comment of being caught out of position).
Refresh my memory but what body parts has he injured? Is this not the first upper body injury he has had? I think it is.
It is. I think you’re missing my point. I’m not of the side saying that his size and injuries are related. His style, which is being a bruiser, will cause more contact for both bodies, his and the defenders. It will start to wear on anyone no matter your size. It will also cause people to tackle you at the ankles so they don’t have to take you head on. Don’t see where you think that’s what I was getting at.
Um, no I didn’t. I asked u a simple question. I agree with what u said and add to that regardless of size an ankle is an ankle and just as easily injured regardless of how big u r. I was on ur side against this odd ball thought process.
My bad, I guess I read it the wrong way then. I just know that the old saying “You keep messing with fire, you’re going to get burnt” comes true after a while. In no way am I wanting Perine to change his running style, but there are risks that come with everything. Keep doing you Optimus, no judging here.
Most of his injuries have been around the ankles because that’s where people go due to his size. Size and injury are not related so much my man.
Money quote:
Well the irony is, [Joshua Jacobs] took snaps as a true freshman at Alabama, a place whose starting RB hasn’t gone lower than the 3rd round since Saban got there. Meanwhile, OU’s star freshman running back, who happens to be very very similar to Jacobs, still “isn’t quite ready”.
They also don’t have Perine or Mixon in their backfield this year. The most experienced back on this years roster had just a handful of carries last year. They also probably ran the ball more than 12 total times combined with their first two backs, though. So I guess it goes both ways.
It’s not just the RB, or the specific player. It’s the philosophy. It’d be one thing to say, “Perine, Mixon? Those guys are pretty good. Hard to get snaps.” But instead, he said Adams isn’t quite there. I don’t know if it’s so much emphasis on seniority, or they just fret so much about what new players will do, or maybe something else entirely. But I do think the key to reloading is it doesn’t happen pell-mell. You reload by integrating actively those next generation players onto the field while this generation is still going strong. Stoops just seems to have trouble with that, whatever his philosophical reasoning is. Obo’s a case-in-point. Maybe he’s not making boneheaded mistakes this year if he was given more opportunities while Striker and Bond were still here.
Anyway, that was the gist of what I got out of K’s point. Sorry, SK, if I missed the point entirely 🙂
I would bet there is a strong correlation between top schools who consistently land 5* recruits year to year and also have cultures or coaching philosophies which allow them to play early
Agree Mizuno. Not only is it a great recruiting pitch, but it cycles players through faster. Creating more room for potentially good players to come through.
Really curious how many different players have been on those rosters vs ours. This is anecdotal, but it seems like they run guys off if they realize after a year or two that they won’t make it.
Putting this in context, they won 52-6. If we were up by 50 against Houston a lot more guys would’ve seen the field for us too.
Rewatching the game now, and two things stand out: Perine was knocked backwards and hurt by a 200 pound safety. Never thought I’d see that. Two plays later, on 3rd and 1, the OL was blocking down, and Houston blitzed a corner and a LB and caught Mixon in the backfield for a loss. Mixon is a beast, but not the fastest guy to the hole starting from a standing position when BM hands him the ball. LOve to see him in motion more on sweeps, wheels and tosses.
Or post routes 🙂
Perine had nobody to blame but himself on that hit. Couldn’t believe with the time he had, and the way the play developed, that he let that safety square him up like that.
Parker made a great tackle on Ward in the 1st quarter. Want to see more of that.
Downhill runnnng attack, says Super K. Amen to that.
Tell you what: Flowers does not pancake defenders like Rip did. Man, I miss him. Flowers is a better receiver, however.
Agree, Flowers got blown up in the back field, there’s no two ways about it. That’s what stopped that run play on 3rd and 1 I think it was, the OL was blocking outside zone, blocked it correctly and there was tons on daylight on the edge.
Yep. Just watched that play. And it happened on two other plays in the game. He needs to go lower if he can’t plow the defender from the waist up.
yeah I felt like all day, Flowers was trying to just get in a guys way rather than actually laying a hit on him.
Not only does he not pancake defenders, he gets blown up and causes a mess before the play even develops. Millard and Rip he is not-
Yep. Seems to me he’s being the anvil instead of the hammer.
Cobb was all over Dunbar on a big third and 10 play but the back sholder throw was perfect.
I was referring to another play. But back shoulders were working on both Cobb and JT in part because they’re difficult to defend in my part because neither player was in phase.
Not picking on the guy, but hear me out. I think most of us might agree on at least questioning why Dakota Austin was “the guy”. Now based on the performance, is it fair to question the rationale behind the decision to start him, because shouldn’t we should expect the same criteria which was used to declare him the starter will be duplicated again?
I think you have to throw in the amount of faith Mike puts in guys being assignment sound vs the best player.
Quick might be a better cover corner, he might it show it everyday in practice, but if he blows a few calls, he won’t start.
Now maybe they re-evaluate that outlook which could mean someone else is the guy.
Part of me believes that too, but sometimes I think kids can be so assignment minded it limits their ability to use instincts and make plays. Example is Sanchez, the guy got burned but also made a heck of an amount of plays.
I don’t know how a DB coach could ascertain who’s a starter and who isn’t against our WR group. I think I’m starting to see why Cooks thinks we’re deep in the secondary and he can now rotate guys in. Or at least he believed that until last Saturday…..
What!?!? Our Wr’s are deep and super talented! How could you question them? /s
If iron sharpens iron, our WR’s and DB’s are copper trying to sharpen copper.
Should have been 3rd and 30, but a PF on Evans gets Houston a 2nd chance and field goal.
I was HIGHLY disappointed in J. Evans when I watched some of the recaps of the game. On multiple occasions, I saw him gingerly jogging towards the ball carrier/QB and just whiffing on his tackles.
Really lacking as a ‘head hunter’, punishing type LB.
Unacceptable in my opinion.
Absolutely this. Neither Evans looked very inspired. Not sure if they’re being asked to do too much and they can’t play fast, or if they just aren’t those type of guys.
There may be some ‘overthinking’ to an extent, but not for a VET like J. Evans.
At the end of the day, I kept spotting him NOT chomping at the bit to go hurt somebody when he had every opportunity to.
Particularly when gang-tackling opportunities arose.
That’s the thing I like a Malik Jefferson: the dude is out to make plays and he has bad intentions when he arrives. We have two classes of LBs, I say wholesale substitutions.
Totally with you, Sam.
Malik reminds me of a prototypical OKLAHOMA LB. I don’t know who drugged him on signing day (Charlie Strong), but the guy is wearing the wrong colors.
Jordan Evans is the type of LB that could knock multiple dudes out of game if he delivered the blows that he’s capable of.
He’s just not doing it, IMO.
Neither of them were highly recruited by anybody. That’s the biggest part of the problem.
Exactly. The “Fire Kish” era has fully matured and left the cupboards bare.
To be fair, Mike has changed the defensive scheme so much Kish has had to run his ass off to find LBs for every defensive scheme under the sun. LBers in a 4-3 are different than LBers in a 3-4.
I don’t get it. He was excellent last year. He seems to have softened since last year and doesn’t have the same desire or want like he did. He plays assignment sound, which is what gets him on the field, but he’s lost that fire.
Exactly. The lack of fire is inexcusable and highly disappointing. I’ll take passion & pain from my LB any day over a guy that’s comfortably entrenched in his position.
I think that’s part of the problem with recruiting safeties to play LB at the D-1 level. As much a you think you can develop them into a new position, LBer is a “mentality” that you can’t give them. I think that’s a big part of the problem as to why we haven’t had any thumpers at LB in such a long time. They aren’t really LBers.
I think you nailed that one. Mentality makes the ‘MAN’.
Not having the Oklahoma drill leads to softness….jus sayin.
It’s a joke
Growing up that was the one practice everyone dreaded. But it did toughen every single person up.
Exactly, remember when kids got excited because they get to HIT!? Now its like, I hope we dont go full pads today.
Yes sir. That is how a lot of us learned how to hit properly. My first year of tackle football we did the Oklahoma drill at least once a week all year long.
Oklahoma drill, bull in the ring, the meat grinder, the gauntlet, those were the best.
Oh man, I hated the gauntlet as much as the Oklahoma drill. LOL But it did help me to be a better player.
Yeah it did. Its really a culture, one kid steps up and lays the wood constantly, the next kid is going to be like I WANNA HIT LIKE THAT…and so on and so on. How many kids growing up wanted to be like Ronnie Lott? I think its just the culture right now.
Growing up, I wanted to hit people like Jack Lambert did for the Steelers. He was always bloody and missing a tooth, but you could always tell when a RB was going towards him they were like, I’m just gonna fall down before I get there. You have to have that mentality on defense, “I’m going to tear your head off”. Our coach preached that every day in practice.
NOBODY is scared of our defense, I remember when coming across the middle was no man’s land. And now, nobody is going to be scared of our offense until we prove otherwise. We need that ONE or two guys that just strike fear in opponents.
Exactly! I miss Torrance and Teddy in the middle! They struck fear into people.
Don’t forget Calmus, but I think he probably slobbered on opponents which they feared more than his physicality
I should have thrown Rocky in there too. He was unafraid and he hit anything near him. He was another one we miss!
We miss you Striker.
Nobody has been scared of OU since USC. NO ONE> That is why we now lose at home, have games that are not suppose to be close, and why we have only score 6 second half points in the last two games. i hate finesse football.
Its soft! Just soft all around…how about I lay you out and then see who wins this war? Houston had two big hits that pumped their team up and sent their confidence soaring.
This.^^^^
Honestly, our front 7 still lays people out. We hobbled catalon and ward this year, and several people (stidham esp) last year. But in the secondary…targeting has made that fly around mentality a little hesitant. I remember the viscious hit Manny took against UF in the BCS game…that would’ve been targeting today.
I think we’ve had a couple nasty D’s since but being physical isn’t a high priority it seems. This has been too long, you can’t put it on the players forever, when Baylor is punking us, then what are we doing? They weren’t even getting that skilled of classes until they were winning. Not condoning anything Briles does, but there should be standards set on how hard you go. This is football. The other team does it, it is legal.
On the both sides of the ball we lack it. Honestly our D looks closer to being dominating than our offense. The offense looks like it’s based off calligraphy and some form of peaceful martial arts where no one goes down to the ground.
LOL! Sorry, but that visual is hilarious.
It looked more like the “A Team” where everyone shoots at everybody but no one gets hit.
Nobody ever died! How can that be?
One of the great mysteries.
“Growing up, I wanted to hit people like Jack Lambert did for the Steelers. ”
One of my idols as well when I started playing in little league. And I DID hit people like Jack Lambert, early and often.
I did too DC. I played RB and LB until I was in 8th grade when they moved me to WR and DE. I loved playing LB, I got to hit someone on every single play. I begged my coach to let me just play defense, but we did not have enough players to do that (we did, but not enough good ones).
Haha…..I played DE and RG and I tore asses up every Friday night firing into the backfield. And then I’d complain in the car all they way home after the game because my helmet was sh*tty and had an embarrassing facemask. Good times!
LOL! Yeah, I miss playing. I had to quit when I was 15 and I tore my knee to shreds. I loved playing DE too. I was a scrawny kid, but had quick feet and used leverage on “big fat lineman” (that’s what my coach always said to me). I led our team in sacks in 8th grade. Ahh, the good old days.
That’s awesome! We need ALOT more of that. Sharpens your senses, reduces these whiffs, not to mention the psychological advantage.
I’ve never ran faster in my life than playing scout team Qb as a hs freshman. Those guys were allowed to crush us, and we all got better for it.
I’ve never ran faster in my life than playing scout team Qb as a hs freshman. Those guys were allowed to crush us, and we all got better for it.
I remember my first practice playing tackle football. Our coach was like, you are a quick kid you are going to play RB. First play, run between the center and RG. I don’t think I made it that far before I got demolished. Our coached laughed his head off, he said welcome to real football. UGH
Hell we did that in little league.
Exactly!
Hell we did that in little league.
I always loved the sock drill. Two guys, each with a sock on. Whoever get’s the other guy’s sock wins.
Don’t hit somebody, ‘you might get hurt’.
GROSS.
This is football—man up!
http://i.imgur.com/ykaRpgL.gif
I think a kid like Draper is the perfect kind of player to get OU back into that frame of mind. He seems to play with mean intent.
On the same subject, did anyone besides me notice Dalvin shying away from contact last night? He was acting awful strange for a Heisman candidate.
Yeah and he got hurt on that slide at the end of the game too. I was kind of scratching my head.
Yeah, me too. You could tell the whole game he was shying away from contact. May have been trying to protect an already injured body.
I loved it because it was a platform to separate yourself from your competition. It would get crazy and guys would seek others they were trying to beat out. It was flat out do or die.
I would have scheduled a 3 hour session at about 5:30 am Monday morning if I was Stoops. D Line exempt cause they actually played violent football.
not having Brent Venables on the sideline leads to softness. The defensive philisophy shifted from Attack to Contain the moment Mike stepped back on campus.
I get that
That’s my thought.
I can agree with that. Coach V was always aggressive. Of course the flip side..no one gave up more home run busts than Venables defense. I guarantee you if we had an OL that could block, those same holes were there against Clem. Its how every team they played made them look just good instead of great on defense except OU.
Riley didn’t really try to exploit the holes. You can hit holes with slants and drags, fast developing routes that he didn’t call. The o-line sucked but so did Riley’s playcalling. You can say that about Saturday against UH and Clemson last year.
Actually he had guys on short routes open, the QB just did not deliver it there.
Yep, Mayfield did not have one of his better games, even though the stats don’t show it. But part of that is that Houston did not have to respect the run at all.
Exactly! But I do remember on third and short where Baxter was on the far side at the FD marker, with no one within the picture of him and Mixon on the near side near the FD marker with no one around him and Baker was looking downfield, then ran and ended up with no gain. UGH. Those are things that can be fixed with some film study. However, running the ball a planned 12 times will not win many ANY games!
I don’t think it was planned that way.
very good chance you’re right. I’m about as upset with Baker as I have been with any QB after a game in the Stoops era. Him scrambling on 4th and 15 pretty much sums up his game Saturday.
Yes sir, very true. I could not figure out why he was holding the ball so long. I just figured the WR’s were not getting open. But it turns out he was looking for the big play.
At last! A fellow Venables fan…..now I know I’m not alone around here 🙂
You mean the guy that couldn’t defend against Texas Tech, so Oklahoma lost to them every year in Lubbock including once in Norman once he took over as the primary defensive coordinator?
That’s great that he’s doing well at Clemson, but he WAS a problem at Oklahoma. Unless of course you want to say that Bob Stoops is ultimately the problem.
Thank goodness he didn’t have to face Baylor or TCU’s offense of recent years, they would have put up 70.
I think that if Venables had someone other than Bobby Jack Wright coaching his secondary and a better D-line coach, OU would’ve won another national championship when he was here and he would probably still be here. I actually think Mike is a decent coordinator but he has way better assistants around him than Venables ever did and he has only come close to matching Venables top defenses once (last year).
Boomer Sooner ladies and gentleman so how may many DL/DE do we take for 2017 class because I think we truly need to convert back to the 4-3 or a 4-2-5 base D instead of a 3-4 for the time being.
Going back to a 4 man front would sure make recruiting easier
Not to mention it would help putting pressure on the QB.
And getting some more of our strongest unit* out there.
* Not sure about anything anymore.
I hear you Colfax. Saturday got me all confused and mixed up.
I was pretty drunk by the time I watched the other football games so I couldn’t watch them too closely but no one looked that superior against other P5 competition.
Uh, Bama’s defense looked like it was ready for NFL tryouts. And I hate saying that. I hate Saban and Bama and the $EC. But I have to give props to their D, they looked like they wanted to rip some heads off.
Love u man, but do u see the irony behind this post under an “OU needs four down lineman” commentary?
LOL! Yes sir I do. But OU is not getting the size and speed that Bama is getting on defense. I wish I could say otherwise, but that is true. I think for what OU plays against, a four man front is better. Bama plays against mostly traditional offenses (although that is changing some in the $EC) and their 3-4 works better for them. However, did you notice when they go to their nickel package that they only have 2 down lineman? They keep their 4 LB’s on the field.
Had to give u crap on that, u teed it right up for me
I know. But it’s true, they get bigger/faster “big” guys than we go after. It’s just the way it is. I miss the old 4-2-5 that we ran when Bob/Mike first got here!
Busting Golf’s chops for teeing one up for you? Oh, the irony.
Yes, pun was intended!
Always stirring the pot around here. 😉
Yeah, I skipped right over that. I was afraid I’d tee another one up for him. LOL
Agreed. I hate ’em, but it sure seems like its Alabama and everyone else more often than not. Saban is the greates college football coach – dead or alive.
I don’t know about him being the greatest coach. I will give him props, he has done a lot and is a very good coach.
I wasn’t counting them I guess. I’ve just been penciling Bama in until Saban leaves.
I always prefer a 4-3 over a 3-4.
Why can’t not using the Oklahoma Drill be politically incorrect, another dagger from:
Exposing
Silly
Petty
Nonsense
Question for everyone.
What time is it on your OU Football Doomsday Clock?
Doomsday meaning OU football going through an era akin to the period between Barry and Bob.
Mine is set at about 8:30pm.
Honestly, my clock doesn’t even have batteries in it yet.
Yep, I’m a long long way from there. We just came off a big 12 Championship and there were a ton of things that just plain went wrong in that game.
Neh. That won’t happen again.
Screw allowing Houston into the Big XII, let’s just steal their coach
Maybe 1 AM (so 23 hours to go). College football is a much bigger business now than it was then, and Oklahoma is the 8th most profitable program in the country. Money may not bring in recruits (legally) but it can bring in coaching staff and facilities, should we need it.
Cmon Mav…
8:30 isn’t bad, Lol! The real one has been at 11:59 for years now!
Stoops era probably won’t last more than 5 more years. It’s just question marks after that imo. String a couple 4 loss seasons together, his kids will be greaduated, might be even quicker than that.
If we have a couple 4 loss seasons after the Stoops Era, then that’s on the AD. Unless things change, OU will be one of the top 5ish most desirable coaching jobs in the country.
There’s more than enough money, an established national recruiting footprint, the hope for national titles, but not an overwhelming pressure to get them (like a Saban successor would deal with, or even Saban himself), and you apparently don’t have to worry about overly involved alumni, like the guys down in Austin.
Unless something changes, the only way I see a dry spell post Stoops would be a poor choice for his successor.
Every “blue blood” has had tough stretches recently. Notre Dame, USC, Alabama, Michigan, Florida, Texas, etc.
The only ones that haven’t is maybe Ohio State. It seems irrational to think it can’t happen to us.
Tough stretches? You do remember that we went to the playoff last year, right?
We’re definitely not in one now. I’m just being hypothetical that it could happen in the future. What time it is on the clock is a measure of the potential to have a tough stretch.
Its a given that it will happen at least at some point in the future. But we have a pretty good recruiting class coming in, so no time soon for sure. I think Stoops will be gone within 3 – 5 years and if Lincoln is still around and successful, he’ll take over the reins.
That makes me nervous. I think Riley has a great offensive mind, and is good at self critiquing, but I’ve always preferred head coaches with a background in defense.
How about DC? I dont see Mike around next year if our D keeps playing like this.
Can you imagine Thanksgiving with the Stoops’ family if that happens. Mike: “I’m not sitting by Bob, he fired me.”
Bob: “Oh come on Mike, your defense had more holes than swiss cheese.”
Definitely not pretty.
OR
Hey Bob are you and Carol coming over for Thanksgiving?
We’re still playing Mike.
OH ok…um nevermind.
ROTFLOL!
Yeah, I thought i heard Bo will have an opening for him at Youngstown St.
After pushing out Venables in favor of Mike, I don’t see any scenario where Mike is fired and Bob stays. Unless Mike punches a baby or something.
That’s true.
That is probably an accurate statement. I really wish Bob had gone outside the family for a DC.
We already had a pretty good one! He didn’t have the vision at the time to get a great recruiter, but that’s what he needed.
True, we did have a pretty good one, but not a great one. Now we still don’t have a great one.
I feel like if Riley is still around in that amount of time, he hasn’t been that great. No way he makes it if he continues to be really good.
I don’t know. To waltz into an Elite program job like that worth 5 mil a year? I might take that gamble and stay.
True. Hopefully he is great, and he stays.
I agree, and I’m not saying it can’t. But if it does, it’s because we chose the wrong successor. A good coach won’t string together a couple of 4+ loss seasons at school making an investment in football like Oklahoma.
Agreed. That choice is crucial. Conference instability throws a weird curve in there as well.
If he can get the talent issue fixed, which would be 2-3 years from now, I can see him winning another one.
I don’t think it would/will ever get that bad under Bob.
Me neither, but he won’t be here forever.
Since this is Hypothetical, I will play. If OU lays an egg this year (meaning we lose to UH, UT, tOSU, TCU, BU and OSU), miss a bowl bid, its 11pm. Two years in a row like that and you can move that time to 1130. Three….
It was just a few years back that stoops fired coaches. The fires with in the Sooner machine were inching higher.
Currently I would agree with your 830 time.
You get the idea, lol. It’s not a measure of the standing of the program. It’s the measure of it’s potential to collapse.
Sure. OU/donors just invested millions in a renovation. Big 12 proly expands, Competition continues to grow. OU will either find a way to keep up with the Bamma’s tOsUs or we will fade like USC, NU, Michigan, Miami, Georgia…… I dont want to go there again. The 60s and the 90s sucked so hard.
I get where you are coming from, but as I mentioned over the weekend, things were not so good for Switzer for about 3-4 years in the early 80’s. He did right the ship for another natty after, but people were calling for his head using a lot of the same arguments we see today. We are paying him so much, he’s become soft, he doesn’t have the fire anymore. BURY BARRY!!!! He did very well after that until the criminals hit the team. The 90s, I actually quit watching football for a few years, and really could care less. It wasn’t bad, it was painful. This is not even in the same category.
Uh, I was in Manhattan, KS for an OU beatdown by the mildcats during the dreaded 90’s. That was the most painful experience I think I have ever been through.
I was teaching school in Wyoming. I became a Wyo watcher (was still an OU fan at heart) but that era was to painful for me to even watch.
Yep, I gave up watching college football for most of that time as well. I was selling tickets for the KC Chiefs and working in KC so I just focused on the Chiefs during that time.
I was working for the Forest Service in Wyoming at that time. Thankfully finding a OU football game on TV was next to impossible during those years.
LOL Bury Barry and Chuck Barry.
Those bumper stickers were everywhere, and those teams were ranked teams with 3-4 losses.
Remember it like it was yesterday. Barry so lucked out with Aikeman getting hurt and Holloway being an option magician. Saved his a$$.
I was so happy when Holloway came in to play. That took OU back to the ‘bone and they started destroying people again.
i would +1M
I still remember watching OU line up in the I for Aikmen and I was so ticked. I was like, what are you doing? Miami did OU a favor, blech shave my tongue.
yeah, dont go there about Miami.
Forget I said that.
What’s that smell, Golf? Oh, its your comment. Use scope or something.
LOL! Ok, how about copenhagen? I would prefer that. 🙂
Yep,. they had gone to the “i” to showcase Marcus Dupree, which was a total failure. Kid was a head case.
It was chuck Chuck when I was there.
Yep, and Shuck Chuck. 🙂
I am still just completely baffled at Mixon and Perine only getting six snaps a piece. That one just floors me. After Mixon’s big catch, why in the world did we toss is three times in a row with those guys in the backfield?
Good news everyone! I just got word that the NCAA is going to call that first game of the season a “Preseason Game!” Apparently the coaching staff at OU knew about this and that’s why they were still working out a lot of kinks at different positions.
Kinks? I had a lot better word for it. Best not type it though.
Ohio State will have 11 guys waiting on Baker to run the option or leave the pocket, he better be decisive and leave his dancing shoes in the locker room
That ball better not be stuck to his hand again. Get it to the RBs or throw it.
I am more worried about the D. Austin just got curb stomped in the Houston game.
Surely he won’t get much p.t. against tOSU. I haven’t checked their WR roster, but I can’t imagine them having any short enough for him to cover.
Yeah, but who are ya gonna play?
Anybody with a helmet who’s tall enough to at least bother a receiver.
I think they will mix up their looks quite a bit. They’ll show two-high safeties, then roll one down to show Cover 1 man. And vice versa.
They’ll have a controlled rush and maintain sound gap assignments, then bring the house, then greendog by sending a delayed blitz when Perine/Mixon stays in to protect Baker.
They’ll try to force Baker to make the lower probability, “exciting” plays.
Good call out, tough assignment for our guys this early
we better expect tOSU defense is going to duplicate anything Houston had success with, as will every other team. Praying Riley & Mayfield fix it.
there should be a run quota for every quarter for MIxon & Perine, and regardless of down & distance, they meet their quota. It would be like not handing the ball to Billy Sims for most the game. PERINE IS GOING TO BE THE ALL-TIME LEADING RUSHER @ OU! HAND HIM THE BALL!
Sims was unbelievable to watch run. In an era designed to stop the run the guy just blew past or above all others. Hence my avi. 🙂
We should give them the ball, but not on the level of a Les Miles run the ball against all logic and evidence style that turns into a quota.
Truth…luckily we have a good qb. If they establish the run, it will open up for him
Super K, fantastic read. Thank you. I couldn’t agree more with getting some more guys in there and see how they react. I constantly read about these great recruits and athletes we get – and then wait 2 years before we see them even sniff the field because they aren’t quite ready. At other schools I see true freshman play and contribute. We don’t need perfect players out there – we need hungry players flying around and playing violently (on defense especially). Let ’em play!
K. Excellent write-up!!!! Very much appreciated!!!!
One of the things I miss from my days at OU was our defense. In 1974, teams averaged only 8 points a game on us. In 75, it went up to 12.5. Still really respectable. I doubt today its even possible with the offenses, but we used to be the Bama of football D wise. Now it feels more like we have to outscore them.
Heck even in the early to mid-80’s OU’s D was dominant.
I think Bob is an excellent coach, but I fear that this is due to Bob’s “chill” approach to recruiting. We do not have the athletes on D that, for example, Bama and tOSU have. SS17 is refreshing and recruiting has taken an excellent turn for the better, but OU was embarrassing on the recruiting trail the past 4-5 years. Hell, UGA has out recruited them for many years and UGA hasn’t done crap on the field. Hopefully this new recruiting take will beef up the D. We have a good D for the big 12. Not for winning championships, unfortunately. I hope this year I am proven wrong, however.
Yup….that about sums it up
Funny, I have always thought the Air Raid has been a quick fix, score points because you cant recruit enough players to have a D as well. Stoops inherited Blake’s players. He had just 1999 recruits on his team in 2000 NC> If you can outscore a team, then D is just a thought.
Since Bob is an old D guy, i dont get the failure
Am I the only one who thinks Baker abandons the pocket way to quickly? And that by doing so he puts his offensive lineman under duress by changing their blocking angles/positions. The lack of running plays is inexcusable and I don’t believe Mike Stoops is capable of stopping a mobile quarterback consistently or maybe even occasionally.
Nope, pretty much everyone thought that.
I think he leaves the pocket fairly quickly, but I think I recall one of the coaches saying that they’re fine with that, because he tends to make plays on the move. I could be mistaken in that regard though.
Yeah but he’s checking down way too fast. The guy is really hanging onto the ball.
Absolutely. As the season progresses, we’ll see how much of last year was Mayfield, and how much was having a security blanket with a catching radius the size of Texas, in Shepard.
We don’t have one of those this year.
Nope. I’d really like it if we could switch to just being able to throw jump balls to Andrews when all else fails though.
yes, I thought that we’d use him more, especially when we abandoned the run.
He abandons perfect pockets for no reason whatsoever time and time again
Like jumping out of a perfectly good airplane. Why do it?
On our last scoring drive he stayed in the pocket and marched us right down the field. Film study will be of good help this week.
Regularly
I was actually shocked at how well they kept Ward’s running in check. 1 yard on 18 carries with a long of 11. I know sacks count against that number. But I honestly expected him to approach 100 yards on the ground against us based on how our defenses have previously done against mobile QBs. He put up a lot of yards on us through the air, but I think that was due to the corner’s ability more than Mike’s schemes. We need to lock that position down now.
Yep, we shut him down pretty well. But he’d walk to the huddle and ask “where’s Austin at? That’s where the ball’s going”.
Um Greg Ward had 18 rushes for 1 yard. I put most of the coverage busts on the corners. If corners aren’t doing their job you can blame Mike much.
Disagree about Mike.
Do you guys remember the days when we were all up in arms about what the band was doing? Ahh…I miss those days.
What I remember is in 1975 watching Scotty Hill knock out Tony Dorsett with a clean but devastating hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54EV42w4_t0
lol. Ah yes, that too. LB’ers that brought the house.
Yep, Hill was absolutely fearless. Reminded me of Atwater on the Denver Broncos team. A real head hunter. He just plain liked to hit.
Didn’t he go on to be a member of Switzer’s staff?
How can a highly recruited CB play as a true freshman, but not even be on the 3 deep as a sophomore? He wouldn’t have played as a frsh if he didn’t have talent and do the right things in the class room. Someone please explain why the coaches would burn his redshirt if he couldn’t help them?
Great read, K
Fantastic read. I’m past weary of OU having to receive a severe beat-down to get a wake-up call.
Good thing it happened early. NC here we come. 🙂
I would give my left…well, you know, I would sacrifice to make it happen. lol
The funny part is, we’ll probably just knock the snot out of poor LM this Saturday and everybody will be all positive heading into the game with tOSU.
I’ll be happy (if all goes accordingly) but not too happy. I’ll be a pig in a mud pit though if we we come out of the RRR 4-1
IF we do…I hope everyone realizes…it’s ULM.
Losieana teams are all the same 😉
Probably the best team in the state this year.
You’re probably right, but it’s sad that anyone would get very excited from beating ULM. The way things looked against UH, we could beat ULM by 70 and it wouldn’t make me feel any better. There just isn’t any substitute for being able to get it done against the big boys.
Obo played real well. He stood out to me despite the mental errors. He was strong at the point of attack, fast and explosive. He will be a problem to block this year
If he can get his mental game on track, he’d be a great one
Great write up. Maybe there is hope after all. Maybe I’ll step back from the ledge….a little.
“Step back from that ledge my friend.”
Signed,
Third Eye Blind
I guess I’ll step back for a minute. But if we get blown off our own field by tOSU, as far as I’m concerned this coaching staff is responsible for whatever happens to me 😉
I guess I’ll step back for a minute. But if we get blown off our own field by tOSU, as far as I’m concerned this coaching staff is responsible for whatever happens to me 😉
Good analysis, K. I completely agree that Obos performance far outweighed his early problems. Jmho, but I think it’s premature, especially considering the particulars of this loss, to call for a major change in how players are used, and evaluated. Not accusing you of that, but certainly some think that as soon as a game is lost, no matter how, the coaches have lost their ability to evaluate talent. Again, jmho, but I think the track record says otherwise. I could be way off base, but it looked to me like the alternating of corners by quarter may have exactly been the strategy of seeing who could cut it the best at game time. I may have missed an substitution but it looked to me like Dakota played all of 1&3 and Cobb all of 2&4. My guess is that they think Quick has the skills and athleticism to take over, and as soon as they can get him coached up and confident on the mental details he’ll be in–big time. We’ll see.
Meantime, better expect a ruggedly challenging season. Several of the teams we will encounter will have the ability to defeat anyone in the country on a given Saturday, if the breaks fall the right way, including KState, judging by what I saw this weekend.
Obo made a mistake on his coverage responsibility when another blitzing player vacated a space. Obo was supposed to watch the RB and he goofed. This can be improved relatively easily.
The overzealous personal foul can also be eliminated easily.
Good analysis, K. I completely agree that Obos performance far outweighed his early problems. Jmho, but I think it’s premature, especially considering the particulars of this loss, to call for a major change in how players are used, and evaluated. Not accusing you of that, but certainly some think that as soon as a game is lost, no matter how, the coaches have lost their ability to evaluate talent. Again, jmho, but I think the track record says otherwise. I could be way off base, but it looked to me like the alternating of corners by quarter may have exactly been the strategy of seeing who could cut it the best at game time. I may have missed an substitution but it looked to me like Dakota played all of 1&3 and Cobb all of 2&4. My guess is that they think Quick has the skills and athleticism to take over, and as soon as they can get him coached up and confident on the mental details he’ll be in–big time. We’ll see.
Meantime, better expect a ruggedly challenging season. Several of the teams we will encounter will have the ability to defeat anyone in the country on a given Saturday, if the breaks fall the right way, including KState, judging by what I saw this weekend.
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Try and explain to me how rushing TWO defenders on 3 and long was a good idea!
it wasn’t
When did Mike do that?
“– Don’t think I saw Bolton on the field at all.”
I’m pretty sure it was announced early last week that Bolton wouldn’t play due to an injury, but that he was expected back vs ULM.
I know we have a lot of football yet to play, but if there are not improvements by the guys we put on the field then I expect a lot of true freshman to play next year.
Hell, if we are going into TCU (God forbid) at 1-2, I say play em this year!
I completely missed that Alex Ross wound up at Mizzou. Had 18 for 67 yards. So Alex Ross got 1.5 times as many carries as Perine and Mixon combined last Saturday. Go figure.
BAKER had more carries than Mixon and Perine combined . . . .
That stat is certainly cringe worthy.
Re-watched part of game. Had forgotten about the speed option to the right on 3rd and short. If BM pitches to Perine, it’s probably 6. Making it 17-6 I think. Diff game after that. I know games don’t really come down to 1 play but I’d sure like to see the result of that alternate timeline. Any thoughts?
Yep, I was pissed as soon as he tucked it.
It was set up so perfectly…even had the pitch with his ‘good’ hand. Perine downhill with steam vs any DB. Damn…. If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we wouldn’t be listening to the BS outta the talking heads. Ok. Doesn’t rhyme but fits
The other thing about that play is it appeared BM wanted to make the defender make a choice: he turned up field, placing the defender between Perine and himself; BM would have been wise to close the gap with Perine, get tackled after he pitched to Perine.
I hate it when OU loses a game because they help the opponent beat them.
Missed the Town Hall AGAIN! Painful. Sure folks asked good questions though. Going to go catch it now. Seriously one of the best features TFB has put out.
I’d like to ask about the leadership on this team. Where are the leaders? There was ZERO emotion Saturday. I kept looking at the sidelines waiting to see someone, ANYONE, get fired up and lead.
We have leaders on the field on both sides of the ball.
https://twitter.com/theanthines_era/status/773308646453223424
Interesting.
Young kid taking a stand. Impressive.
Man, I really like this kid. One of the more insightful observations and action plans that I have seen from anyone as of late, let alone a young man in high school. What is the lower limit of the presidential age requirement?
LOL, yes the young man seems very mature. I agree with DC below, very impressive.
Id like to see the OU D have some of these this year https://youtu.be/_b7rGBvIcSs
Re-watching the game again. Man, if Obo can get his mind right, he has a chance to be really good.
I cannot put my finger on Mead. I really thought he could be a AJ Green type player for us. To be clear, I did not think he was an AJ Green level of talent necessarily, but thought he would bring that type of game to Norman. Just not coming together.
Did they ever target Mead? If so, I must’ve missed it.
I do not believe so. I have been watching him closely, and he does not seem to run his routes hard or crisp. He has a bit of a loping gait, so it is hard to tell if it is effort or if he just has a long turnover. Cannot figure it out.
That’s what I was thinking. I wish they would target him before people completely shut the door on him. He has shown the ability to make a crazy grab sometimes.
Would love to see this kid succeed. Spring game performances have been artwork.
fwiw, I enjoy reading your posts
Listen, I’m not being mean to Mead but all he has shown since he’s been here is that he can’t catch the ball. He’s not the only one like that on the team. All of the holdovers from last year have already shown us they can’t get separation nor catch the ball consistently. Westbrook and Andrews are starting because they catch better than the others, but none of them are the go to guy. Better hope that Mykel Jones is. I know that’s rough, but it was proven last year they weren’t consistent. If BM throws it up, they will catch some, but nowhere near enough.
Okay. But the coaches said WRs are open.
Yeah, they occasionally are open, but they still can’t catch the ball. We sa it last year with all of the ones who saw the field. An off season isn’t going to fix that. You can teach em to run routes, get separation ( which most still haven’t learned ), but you can’t teach catching the ball, that’s something you either can or can’t do. Sure, they will catch some, but an offensive lineman can do that, but we need someone consistent. Dropped passes stop drives. As I have mentioned in other post, fans better be hoping Mykel Jones is a go to guy because none of the others are.
Someone asked/commented about Beal getting more playing time. I would like to see him play more too, but good night he blew a tackle with 4:24 to go in the 4th Q that almost resulted in a TD.
If you want to see AJ Green just wait until they get AD more touches…heck with initials like that he should be a fan fav..amiright! Anyways..I think he had one catch and one target and he laid out for it. Unfortunately it was a short pass behind the sticks that he laid out to catch…he should get at least 5 targets a game imo
https://twitter.com/brandontfb/status/773332080080015360
Hawk put this on the OP. Just thought I’d bring it over here for you guys. It’s going to be a great podcast!!
Nice! Thanks.
Anyone catch Toby’s show with BS?
Feel bad for Dakota. Think he reached this weekend. Was trying too hard and forced things a bit. He is more talented than his level of play on Saturday. Last year he squared off with Allen Lazard – who was bigger and IMO more talented than Houston’s WRs – and held his own.
Agree. I hope they don’t bury him. I don’t think they will.
Just watched the game again…focused on the OL of course. Just my opinion, but I really dont want to hear that Brown is REALLY good. He was not good on Sat and I wouldnt put him as one of the top in the conference yet, let alone the Nation.
Yeah and the scary part is that he might be the best one.
I mean yeah hes big but common sense is not there I don’t think. Samia had the best game, the only problem with him is hes not flashy. Like he doesnt finish with authority and really set the tone. Assignment and tech wise hes tops. I know JY is high on him too, once he puts it all together I think he’ll be special. Hes gonna play guard this week, I anticipate alot of run. After watching the run plays tonight, all the big gains came from his side. Im looking forward to see what him and Evans can do together.
You’re really bringing me down man.
But….hes a big dude! Hows that? 🙂
Better, I’m really excited to see Evans on the line. Can’t say how he will do but it’s a good week to get him going.
I am too….Evans is pretty athletic. Two big athletic guys on one side cant be bad at all.
I really hope Bob puts all the young guys in this week to get a grade on them in a real game rather than just practice. Some of them may really bring something when the lights are actually on, and it would make the vets think long and hard about stepping up.
I agree. Some of these kids dont get alot of chances in practice becasue of time obviously. There could be some real gamers that havent gotten a chance yet.
I was highly disappointed in his play. When you see his number and name that means he is chasing the rusher and I saw his number more than I expected to
Precisely. For example, a play broke down and he had a chance to clean not one but two clocks on a peel back block and spring Baker. He turned and tried to lead block for Bake instead. The two guys forced an incomplete pass. Frustrating to watch.
Very..I felt your pain bro
Told you all I would have a HUGE guest on my latest podcast. Here it is, folks! https://twitter.com/BrandonTFB/status/773349028859830273
Nice job Brandon!
I’ve liked all of them, keep’em coming.
That was really good stuff.
It’s awesome that you are having players on as guests but I’m really stoked to hear your pod with JY. These things just keep getting better.
I was thinking the same thing. I’m really looking forward to hearing JY too!
Very unacceptable. Not only the players should be running 100 suicides, 500 push-ups, and 700 sit-ups, Bob Stoops, Lincoln Riley, Dennis Simmons, and Bill Bedenbaugh should be doing this to. They did a horrible job coaching. Mike needs to make them do that. Lincoln Riley doesn’t know to run the ball. The Oline sucked and recovers were trash.
Need us one of these “fullbacks” whatever that is 🙂 https://twitter.com/maxpreps/status/773216412282204160
Now THAT is a block!
Nice Jalen Reagor highlight right at the start… https://youtu.be/rvAJw107KKM
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