Let’s Talk Recruiting

 

I know a lot of you have sent us emails asking about recruit visitor reactions from this past weekends game. A lot of you have also asked questions about recruiting in general.

I’m going to be completely up front with you. There is an answer a recruit will tell a “journalist” and there is the actual response which may or may not coincide with that answer. We have relationships with certain players and their families and can get their actual response because they trust that we won’t publicize it.

I haven’t spoken to every recruit, but I have spoken with some and had a very candid conversation with a few.

You all saw what happened and so did the recruits. OU didn’t just lose. The crowd left. The game wasn’t competitive. There was a sideline blow up. There were boos from the crowd. It was an early game so most recruits had to get up early to make it there.

So I’m not going to offer up the quotes or notes the recruits I spoke to intended for public consumption, because they just aren’t all accurate reflection of where things stand and I think the fan base is a little sick of the bull right now. But I also won’t offer up the “behind-the-scenes” actual quotes, because they aren’t flattering and the program doesn’t need me piling on right now.

I will note that I do think that Will Lockett was genuinely happy about his trip. He even said the Sooners will “bounce back.” It’ll be interesting to watch his recruiting, especially if any other regional high major programs get involved (currently the Sooners are his only regional high major offer).

What I will do is say the actual availability of quality players is the least of my personal worries right now. Not only does OU already have a number of quality players committed, there are an ample number of excellent prospects out there for the taking. As a collective unit, OU might just need to start voraciously watching film (and some of them do I know for certain), doing collective evaluations, and getting some offers out to great athletes that fit what they want and who they want to be at Oklahoma. They need to figure that out quickly.

For example, if OU has decided they want to be an off-coverage team with a safety-type alignment across the board, then it’s not really in your best interest to keep trying to focus on length at the corner position. You want to find hyper, twitchy guys who can close quickly, have the snap in their hips, and the frame to actually hold the kind of weight you expect a sound tackler at this level to carry. But that shouldn’t be contingent on length. In fact, a lot of 6’2″ corners don’t actually fit that bill. Jaylon Lane might be the closest thing to a long corner that fits that mold in a longer frame. It’s interesting to me that people actually believe Julian Wilson would make a better safety than a corner. He’s basically being asked to play corner like a safety currently.

OU doesn’t have to get the Malik Jefferson’s or the Tarvarus McFadden’s of the world to be successful. In fact, OU is losing to teams that have few, if any, players on their rosters that OU even offered. If you do a detailed analysis of TCU’s starting team and who offered those kids or what positions they played in high school, you’ll get my drift. A close coaching friend of mine was talking to a coach from a major D1 program, and they were talking about TCU and he said, “they’re a team that can do it…they can take kids who play out of position in high school…coach ’em up and build something.”

But OU doesn’t even need to do that because for all the doom and gloom there is about recruiting, OU is still, for the most part, able to out recruit every team in the Big 12, with the exception of Texas (and, assuming he sticks, OU already beat them out for PJ Mbanasor this year). But you’ve got to have a clear vision to sell them, and you have to develop them. You want to say, “hey, you’re going to player Striker’s position.” Well, a month or two ago everyone knew what that meant. Now? Not so much. And you probably don’t want to tell recruits, “none of our CBs are very good” because the smart recruits (which are the ones you want) will wonder why there are so many cornerbacks on the roster and so few, if any, that are developed.

OU clearly doesn’t have the momentum they had after the Tennessee game. And nowhere near what they had after the Sugar Bowl. But that doesn’t mean they can’t finish with a darn good class of quality athletes and get back to what makes Oklahoma, Oklahoma…speed, sound scheme, discipline, and development. You want an example of what OU needs to get back to? Ohio State DBs do 1-on-1’s everyday. Houston DBs do 1-on-1’s everyday. Oklahoma? Once a week.

Based on what I’d like to see the defense become, I would say that recruiting should begin with an offer to Jordan Griffin but that ship has now sailed. So, in my opinion, it should begin with an offer to Dwaine Thomas, Mohamed Barry (who is going to give OU fits when he ends up at KSU), Adrienne Talan (who is going to give OU fits when he ends up at TCU), Colin Samuel, and Derrick Baity. There are other players I like but their personalities don’t, in my estimation, fit the OU staff’s personality.

Before wrapping this post up I will say that based on what OU appears to be trying to do in certain areas, there does seem to be a clear identity and a recruiting that coincides with that identity, at least with the following positions: offensive line, defensive line, and running back.

Anyhow, just one person’s opinion.

170 Comments

  • AMKing00 says:

    Good stuff right here from K.

  • Easton says:

    Thanks.

  • Jared William Reininger says:

    K, I agree with you. If you asked me what our identity was in the early 2000s, I could tell you. And I didn’t know football as well as I do now. Now, I don’t think I could give you a good answer and if I was a recruit….that would terrify me.

  • hemisooner says:

    At this point, I give up. Throwing in the towel when it comes to the defensive game plan and recruiting plan. The Big 12 has changed to the old WAC but our defense is still in the old big 12. The days of the big thumper at safety and soft coverage to protect against the run is over. We need 4 guys that can cover. Pressure the QB and press the WR and get them off their routes. PRESSURE PRESSURE PRESSURE.The game has passed both Mike Stoops by and his brother Bob. Don’t get me started on the Offense side of the ball.

  • F1at1ined says:

    A good read if a little disheartening. Hopefully we will actually make the harder decision to change either coaching personnel or coaching scheme rather than continue to recruit one type of player then expect to shape them to fit a scheme they are ill fitted to play in and succeed.

    • Super K says:

      I suspect Stoops is cracking the whip

      • bravesaint says:

        I want to think he is. But he hasn’t shown that all year. It took him 8 games and 2 losses to finally allow Knight to play to his strength. On Saturday THEY NEVER ADJUSTED to even remotely stop Baylor. If I am a Stoops (Bob or Mike) I am saying to my defense, “Ok guys, what we are doing ain’t working so we are going to do this__________”. Doesn’t matter what _______ is, just make an adjustment. Hopefully the blank is press the wide outs and bring pressure. I’m telling Wilson to shuck his man like the dude just insulted your momma. I’m telling Sanchez, time to prove that you deserve to be on the Thorpe award list. I’m telling Striker to do what we brought here to do.

        • F1at1ined says:

          Striker’s misuse is a borderline felony. He is one of the best blitzers in college football yet he is another person asked to play far too much coverage. I want an opposing QB to be worried about Striker every snap. Grissom and/or Bond too. Striker’s draft stock could be hurt almost as bad as Jefferson’s.

          • boomersooner says:

            This is what I’m dumbfounded by too. You have a great one in striker and you’ve made another pretty good one in grissom. Heck you even brought em up the middle last week to create a new wrinkle. There is something mike is afraid of in the secondary. I don’t know if its just the youth or his safeties or they can’t play the way he wants em to or what but if you bring your 3 linemen and striker and grissom and one other guy then they have to leave a back in or add a te or both which could switch up what they do(which is what you want). With that said, if you don’t bump and run it COMPLETELY negates whatever blitz you’re trying to bring. So instead you play off and have your 2 awesome blitzing outside backers playing in the flats

          • Boom says:

            Boomersooner, like your stuff. Striker is our Lawrence Taylor, period. As hard headed as Parcells was, he let Taylor play to his strengths. Matter of fact, he built his D around him. He didn’t put him in coverage’s and then point out he didn’t execute. Geez, let the dog hunt. We are truly wasting a wonderful gift.

          • boomersooner says:

            You too. Positive attitudes and talking stuff out like men. Not sure if you misread me or I’m misreading you, but we agree. What I’m saying is, you need to press to allow the pressure to get there. If you play off we get dinner and dunked like petty did. Big time agree you have to build your d around your best piece or pieces. I hate they send em in the flats. I mean you have sometimes but not a lot. Let that boy eat haha

          • Boom says:

            I see him take a small step and then read. It spells hesitation/thinking to much. Bet then didn’t do that with Roy Williams. Blitz him from all over every play whether is a run/pass blitz. Playmakers make plays. On offense they say, get the ball in the playmakers hands. Well, playmakers are on both sides of the ball. I would want the QB to have to find him before calling the count. Then watch him move to another spot to blitz and mess up the OL blocking. I’m a little league coach and you put your best player in a position to own the game. Geez.
            BTW, Mike didn’t do Striker any favors for the draft. Hope he comes back for one more year and I hope Mike uses him to his potential.

          • boomersooner says:

            Yeah I hope so too. Would love to have him back. Some people think he goes cause his stocks high. I would say the opposite. I think if , like you said, he comes back and has the bama game for a season next yr he’s 1st rd for sure

      • John Garner says:

        I hope he is. He knows better, so I hope he still cares.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Unfortunately the one coach that really needs to be dumped cannot be dumped. Thats MStoops. I wonder now if Bob has some regrets bringing him back. Hes really caught between a rock and a hard place being that Mike is #1 Not a good DC and # 2 his brother.

  • Kdubracing says:

    Here’s the part that really dumbfounds me. Mike switches to a 3-4 with the idea he can bring pressure from anywhere at any time and put tons of pressure on the fast paced Big 12 offenses. He recruits, and still is, press-man and physical corners (sacrificing speed), larger more physical DL to play the run better, Pass rushing OLB. ILB is still a mystery. Why on God’s green earth would you go 180 degrees on the field and rush 3, 4 max, and play soft at the LOS? This erases any hope of pressure for 2 reasons. 1) you’re rushing 3 vs 6 and 2) the smart Big 12 QBs can dump the ball off in 2 seconds. So, what is the real reason we are running a 3-4? A 4-2-5 works much better with that style of D.

    • OUhound says:

      Agree 100%. To me this is the equivalent of playing Bell at the slot position and running him on a post route every play. He simply is not built for it.

    • bravesaint says:

      “Mike switches to a 3-4 with the idea he can bring pressure from anywhere at any time and put tons of pressure on the fast paced Big 12 offense”

      This. The whole point of switching to the 3-4 is to be able to bring pressure from multiple angles and make the quarterback more concerned with the pain coming than going through his reads. So what do we do? We rush with 3 and cover with 8 with a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 5. Boggles my brain.

    • Dr. Doobie says:

      Mentioned something similar to that Saturday. I’m completely baffled

    • Mysterio1 says:

      This is the real mystery? If you are going to get beat then why not throw everything you have at them?
      We all understand losing, its how we are losing!

  • SavageSoonerEsq says:

    “OU doesn’t have to get the Malik Jefferson’s or the Tarvarus McFadden’s of the world to be successful.” I guess that depends on what your definition of successful is. Do I think OU can be somewhat successful with less than top 10 recruiting classes every year? Yes. Do I think OU can maintain elite status (with teams like Alabama, Fl State Etc.) without getting the Malik Jefferson’s or the Tarvarus McFadden’s of the world, or in other words hanging out in the top 10 classes each year? Doubtful.

    • Super K says:

      Two teams Stoops beat every time he faced them 😉

      • Sooner_Ace says:

        if we could only stop playing OUr conference foes 🙂

      • SavageSoonerEsq says:

        I think we can agree that we played Florida State when they were a little bit down and the same for Alabama (except for last year) and Alabama was somewhat of an anomaly? Regardless, do you think OU is maintaining an elite status like the two aforementioned schools?

        • Super K says:

          Not if Baylor is the standard 😉

          • SavageSoonerEsq says:

            I didn’t ask about Baylor. Are you agreeing with me?

          • Super K says:

            I thought your question was whether OU is elite yeah?

          • SavageSoonerEsq says:

            I guess you’re saying that we aren’t elite compared to Baylor. My question is, regardless of who we have beaten as of late, do you think that OU is in the elite category? Secondly, if still elite, do you really think that OU can maintain elite status without getting the Jefferson’s and McFadden’s or otherwise hanging out in the top 10 of the recruiting rankings? Or, can OU even get back into the elite discussion without getting the Jefferson’s and McFaddens? My point is, being “successful” regardless of the your definition is one thing, being elite and relevant in the MNC hunt is another.

          • Super K says:

            No I don’t believe OU is elite…unfortunately.

        • SavageSoonerEsq says:

          We have the talent and coaching to beat elite schools, but the same thing can be said for schools like Wisconsin and UCLA. I don’t want to be a Wisconsin or a UCLA. We are Oklahoma, we should be getting some of the best recruits on a consistent basis, and we deserve to be at or near the top when discussing the cream of the crop.

    • Brent says:

      Even if OU got Malik Jefferson and McFadden, they still need to be coached up at some point.

      • SavageSoonerEsq says:

        I agree with that 100%. I’m just saying, at some point something’s gotta give. There appears to be a certain line that at team must halfway consistently cross to stay elite. Kansas State is incredibly well coached, but not elite. Consistently give KSU Alabama’s or Florida State’s recruits and they would likely be elite. Coaching can only get you so far, while at the same time, talent can only get you so far. There’s gotta be a balance of the two to get elite, and more importantly, remain elite.

        • Brent says:

          I’m with you. So now I want to raid KSU’s coaching staff (again!) because as sad as this is to say for an OU alum, Norman is not the greatest college destination (night life, weather, the “hip” factor, etc.). We should focus on the coaches and hope the players will eventually follow.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    So from talking to recruits, is OU in danger of losing anybody soon? Or is this something OU should be able to fix after talking to most of the recruits/commits?

    • Super K says:

      I personally don’t think OU will lose many, if any, recruits. But a couple will end up taking trips. I think danley has already said he will.

    • Gary Robbins says:

      If OU loses the battle for both Barnett and Wariboko that would be a major problem in my thinking. I don’t really feel good about our linebacker prospects. I’m sure the other schools are using the boos, crowds leaving, coaches arguing on sidelines as tools against OU recruiting. It happens at other schools, I know. A win for Texas Tech this Saturday would make their season. It won’t happen as OU is a large favorite to win ( for what that’s worth). Will OU get any commitments before January?

  • Spray says:

    So, broader question- are we recruiting to build a team to win in the Big XII, or are we recruiting to win in a playoff, i.e. to win in the SEC (’cause that is who seems to be in Stoops head), hoping we can dodge all the conference bullets in the regular season?

  • disqus_uj44WuVjt2 says:

    It appears that you know more about the direction of OU than OU!!!

    • Super K says:

      Haha not in the least. Mikes changed his identity three times in three years. I can’t keep up

      • Sooner_Ace says:

        I thought Sybil was JH’s forte not MS’s …..:)

        • Super K says:

          Haha! Think Josh knows what he wants to be. But I’m guessing his boss wants him to be something different.

          • Jake says:

            Then his boss should either reign his ass in or kick his ass out!! That simple.
            Can’t keep going back and forth on what they want to do.
            If you want to be a run option team then do it. Want to be a passing team, do that!!
            Pick an identity and go!! That’s all I’m asking.
            Can’t believe you go rush for 500+ yds one week, then the next week have your RBs run less than twenty times, between three of them!!! WTFF!!!!?

          • Sooner_Ace says:

            Imho, JH wants the air raid w/ an elusive QB, HIs boss wants a ground and pound, then over the top. Right now we are trying walk down the middle of the road, and getting squashed by that approach. For the record I am not in favor of the all out air raid.

          • Super K says:

            Yep. That’s my read on it as well

          • Kevin says:

            What I hope to see (but probably won’t) is that JH gets reassigned to QB coaching/development (which is something he’s proven to be good at doing), and that the play-calling OC position is filled by someone who can fully make use of the personnel (which seems to fit the HC vision of ground/pound/play-action).

          • Sooner_Ace says:

            JH going back to QB coach is warranted, but that going into effect is longshot imo…

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            What do you consider the Air Raid? I want to do what Baylor, TCU, and OSU in recent years are doing. That works. Air Raid with a good running attack. OU did that in 2008 as well. And I’m sure we’ve had a year since then that would qualify. Not sure we have the QB currently to run that. Hoping it’s Baker Mayfield, but I don’t know that it is.

          • Sooner_Ace says:

            I’ll use TCU as an example, TCU is a spread option offense with elements borrowed from the M. Leach air raid offense ( multiple rx’er sets). My fear is that JH does not adapt the system for the mobile qb and will go pass happy as default b’c that is what he knows

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            I’d rather not run a bunch of designed QB run plays. Baylor doesn’t. OSU hasn’t, I don’t think. TCU hasn’t had to much. I’d rather have a mobile QB that can throw, and just runs when things break down, or maybe a couple of designed runs a game.

          • Sooner_Ace says:

            I like TK9’s heart and desire, but he hasn’t proven to be accurate enough for teams to respect the passing game. They can have loaded the box to stop the run game, if were not for the sheer size and power of Perine/Ford this season would be a helluva lot worse. Our best rushing games this season were against ISU and WV, which are not good run defenses in the least. Baylor/TCU/maybe even OSU has a better passer at this point in the season.

          • boomersooner says:

            Good back and forth y’all got going. Love discussions and not feel like I’m playing cards with my brothers kids

          • Sooner_Ace says:

            thanks!

          • boomersooner says:

            Air raid or middle of the road? Which do you want? And you can only pick one and neither is not an option haha

          • Sooner_Ace says:

            damn that is an evil question…….that’s is my response

          • boomersooner says:

            Hahaha

        • ND52 says:

          Apparently, even schizophrenia can go airborne and become contagious :-O

  • OUhound says:

    I honestly cannot remember the last time I saw a team and coaches booed at OU in such a prolific manner. Certainly there has been the occasional disgruntled fan, but my gosh. I understand MS’s defensive strategy and it is a wonderful one that certainly works, but not with this personnel. Its like the OU football coaching staff has adopted the exact opposite philosophy as Kruger, who looks at what he has on the court and gets the most out of them by adjusting what he does to their particular talents, and just as important, has them playing as a single unit, as if one person with five parts was on the court. I used to think Stoops coached like that, but all evidence is to the contrary.

    • Wilson says:

      The booing was the most embarrassing thing for me….I know “some feel its a fans right to boo” but I wouldn’t boo my child or anyone else’s child in a competitive situation, but that’s just me. I’m just a little more forgiving when it come to matters that don’t cause the world to stop spinning. Booing is a “mob mentality” and lacks the ability to evaluate the individual ramifications and affects on the individual in receipt of the “uncontrolled” mob emotion.

      • Brent says:

        People grieve differently, celebrate differently, and show disgust differently. I don’t condone booing, but they have the right to express their emotions (unless illegally) any way they seem fit.

      • DCinAZ says:

        Fans have every right to boo broad incompetence when they see it and they should. I was glad to hear it from them personally. I hope there’s more as the season wraps. I haven’t seen this level of incompetence here since John Blake, and we have John Blake level incompetence right now only with better athletes than he had. What I see every Saturday has become sad and pathetic. Old guys, who’s best years are past them, trying to keep the band together who haven’t had a hit record since 2000. That’s what I see.

        • boomersooner says:

          Wow. Just wow on the John Blake comparisons. If I had a dollar for every overreaction by every fan I’d be more loaded than I already am

        • Wilson says:

          There was at least six Saturdays that I like what I saw. Opinions are good but not always helpful.

      • boomersooner says:

        I don’t like it either. If you’re a player or recruit or even a parent of a player or recruit are you just supposed to say “oh its ok they’re just booing the coaches”? Too easy to misconstrue and I’d hate to see kids quit fighting the rest of the year or recruits not come here because of knuckle heads

      • Mysterio1 says:

        They weren’t booing the kids……it was very clearly directed to the coaches.

    • disqus_uj44WuVjt2 says:

      We used to have coaches that could “coach them up”, seems like we have taken 4 or 5 Giant steps backward!!!!

  • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

    Mike has OU’s CBs playing off coverage. That is a for a reason. I don’t know what that specific reason is.

    Chris Brown (aka @smartfootball) asked a simple question during the 3rd quarter walk down the field for a score. The gist of the question was related to not pressing when not blitzing and when OU dropped eight why not press the WRs with safety support? He also got into a discussion with someone else about how passive playing off coverage is, even though OU was blitzing.

    I bring him up because, while he’s not a coach at all, he seems to know quite a bit about schemes. In addition he’s asking a good question about what was the intent of playing so far off. He noted that Petty probably checked to the slant and hitch throws because of OU’s alignment. “Take what the defense gives you.”

    All of this within in the context of recruiting is related to K’s question. What does OU want from their CBs? Perhaps Baylor was a glaring piece of information that points to an optimal strategy…?

    • Super K says:

      What he suggested was exactly what I had mentioned I hoped they would try in my OU vs Baylor preview, namely the split safety look. Issue is Mike was determined to stop the run and the deep ball. Unfortunately OU has shown all season their greatest weakness is stopping the short stuff and the game plan highlighted it even further

      • boomersooner says:

        Do we have a cb that used to play that didn’t make it in the NFL and is into coaching that could help mike? Or who would be a guy who you’d give a look?

        • Super K says:

          OU has a CB coach. He’s just gotta coach them and give them freedom to play to their strengths 😉

          • boomersooner says:

            Haha. I wasn’t trying to bait you by asking a different way. What about consorting in the offseason. Who’s brain would you have them pick? I feel like you’ve answered this but can’t remember

          • Super K says:

            If they want to be a single safety team then they should be talking to Bama secondary folks. Split safety team then they need to be talking to Mich. state staff

          • boomersooner says:

            Ok gotcha. Thank you sir

  • Mr. Jones says:

    John Humphrey signed his financial aid agreement, so at least he’s still solid to OU.

  • Sooner_Ace says:

    ” You want an example of what OU needs to get back to? Ohio State DBs do 1-on-1’s everyday. Houston DBs do 1-on-1’s everyday. Oklahoma? Once a week.”

    Damn just damn, that is telling statement, nice write up.

  • Sooner8494 says:

    K,
    Appreciate the great write up as always. In sticking with the defense side since that is your area, my takeaway from your comments is that at this time, it’s not really about the recruits but rather the real issues revolve around the coaching staff.
    Since M. Stoops isn’t going anywhere, in your opinion, do you think any of the following will happen?
    1) Kish and Bobby Jack are terminated
    2) Mike gives up his secondary duties
    If either 1 or 2 or even both happens, in your opinion, who would be a coach out there that would be worth going after that might have the same effect that Montgomery has had?

  • Boom says:

    Thanks for keeping it real K, good stuff.
    From the glass half full. Last time Stoops was embarrassed, heads rolled. Not saying any of staff will be fired but my guess is there will be a real hands on approach to the remaining games and recruiting. Also, I think there will be some team/coaches meetings to get on same page.
    I’m looking forward to the outcome but the only problem, it takes time.

  • ccmosaic says:

    I am sorry but Mike Stoops has to go. He honestly has no ability to coach in the Big 12. He could not coach in the Pac 12 because of the wide open offenses that started to appear there and now he is showing the same thing here. We need a coach that understands Corner alignment and right now we do not have that.
    Honestly this coaching staff seems to be lost. I agree running back, offensive line, and D line seem to be on the right track and I would add special teams to a point as well as TE. What that tells me is the new blood is building something, while the Old school coaches seem lost.

  • MrBigsby says:

    I can’t imagine a single recruit at that game coming away with any positive feelings about playing for Oklahoma. If my kid was there as a recruit and I saw Mike’s actions on the sidelines, I’d be telling OU to lose my number, kid ain’t playing for a jackhole like that.

  • John Garner says:

    Brillant! And scary from the perspective of the visitors unspoken thoughts. Finishing strong will help. So will kicking ass in whatever bowl game we are lucky enough to play. But Heupel and Mike may have to go. Playing not to lose isn’t working.

  • Brad Warren says:

    That was brutal on Saturday. Any recruit with a lick of common sense would walk away f that w a bad feeling. Hopefully they will look at the big picture and we can win out. 10-3 isn’t what we want but not terrible. Boomer!

  • WilliamJack says:

    You don’t have to have 4 and 5 stars everywhere to be successful. KSU does it. Boise State did it consistently under Chris Peterson.

    • Super K says:

      Baylor just depantsed the Sooners with “2 star” defense haha

      • SoonerOracle737 says:

        Hurts, but true. Ouch.

      • Isaac Wright says:

        I truly think OU fans dont want “successful” we have been successful since Bob Stoops took over, we won against a great Alabama team, and I believe we couldve beat anybody. We want at NC and to say we can be successful with 2-3 stars is true but I dont want to be just successful I want to be back to greatness and NCs

        • Super K says:

          If just settle for being competitive with Baylor right now 🙂

          • Gary Robbins says:

            That’s so very true and really sad. It’s hard to live in the past but 10 years ago that statement would’ve got you crucified. The proof will be February come signing day for recruits.

        • disqus_uj44WuVjt2 says:

          If that is true why is it that Bob has won ONLY one??

      • disqus_uj44WuVjt2 says:

        That’s because their coaches as opposed to ours. There is not much difference between 2* and 3*. The real difference between OU and Baylor is baylors offense and the speed they had over ours. You cant coach speed.

    • Isaac Wright says:

      It means something…..How many NC has KSU, and BSU won? Alabama consistently pull in high ranked recruits….They’ve had 3… I agree that stars dont mean much and anything can happen but it never hurts to pull in huge recruits

      • disqus_uj44WuVjt2 says:

        Stars represents at what level of competence for your position did the kid show in high school. It counts a lot in my book because the higher ranked stars means more consistency. Why do you think the SEC has so many back to back to back etc etc National Championships??? The only time the number of stars don’t work is if there is an attitude problem!!!

  • Bluegrass Sooner says:

    OU is much bigger than just one awful, terrible, embarrassing game. We might lose a recruit who seems to be highly rated, but I believe in the Sooner brand as one that will get lots of really good players who can turn into great college players (assuming they can get coached up nicely). As bad as the past five games have been, I still believe in our Sooners going forward. I just hope they can learn and grow from these incredibly difficult times recently.

  • Mustvid says:

    I might be wrong but I don’t remember Mike even varying the coverages the whole game. The Baylor QB and WR saw the same coverage. The game plan seemed overly simplistic for a veteran QB. I would think you would change coverages continually along with mixing blitzes especially in the A gap which I don’t remember seeing either.

    • Super K says:

      Mostly cover 3 and some man

      • Greg sparks says:

        It kinda reminded me of the sugar bowl didn’t ou start off with 10 yard cushion then walk down to a 6-7. OU just got way more pressure on the qb.

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          To be fair, Bama also didn’t have the intricate passing game, or quick/short game, that Baylor did either.

          And Bama scored a ton of points on us. We just remember the big sacks and a turnover or two.

  • rphokc says:

    sk…….thxs for the post……prefer no bs vs homer even if I feel worse after reading it. Sounds like we’re headed in reverse with several that were here on sat………..with social media being what it is, I’m sure impressions will spread around. Seems like you’re implying the coaches best start beating the bushes b/c they may have lost some.
    Has tfb picked up on any possible player dissension yet.
    Whatever happened to the mystery recruit?…………thxs

  • mizzOUstu702 says:

    Wondering if Bobby Jack Wright is the problem. The comparison to the Ohio State and Houston 1-on-1’s is disturbing. Although I think MS has the ultimate authority in calling the defense, I’m wondering if they don’t get enough work in practice pressing so he overcompensated so they wouldn’t get burned deep.

    If I’m Bob, I’m pushing to move BJW to a recruiting coordinator/director role and getting some more youth in the coaching staff. Someone like Brandon Shelby from Kevin Wilson’s staff or Zac Spavital from Houston (who used to be a grad assistant at OU).

  • Rene Goupillaud says:

    A few points. Successful recruiting starts with keeping Phillips, Tapper and Striker.
    I firmly believed we were still in transition this year, I felt that way before the season began. With Grisson gone, maybe we move Striker back. Of course, keeping DGB would be a big help.

    Julian isn’t the type they want at corner, but he’d been a good Sooner playing nickle and wanted the opportunity to play corner. Neither Johnson nor Cortez Johnson fit the typical Stoops’s corner. But in the coaches’ minds, Julian had earned the opportunity. Strait, Colvin, Walker, Hurst, Fleming, and Franks (Sanchez as well), are more suited to their system. A few longer guys did well, but it took more than 1 season for them to peak. As I recall, a couple were ultimately moved to safety.

    I thought a potential problem was created by the win over Bama. First, fan expectations would be stupid. Second, players could be a bit over confident. Third, OU would be even more of a target for other Big XII programs. This was especially true given the schedule.

    Second, we need to sell the future, the opportunity to play. For kids today, history is nice, but not a high priority. I think players like P.J. have a chance to play early. I don’t believe OU is in trouble. Any kid who passes on OU because of the Baylor game isn’t thinking things through.

    Third, we must recruit a Qb in this class. It is a huge error to skip a year. We’ve seen it before and it leaves the team vulnerable to things beyond its control.

    • Brent says:

      Much of your post makes sense but my thoughts:
      First, OU fan expectations are “stupid” every year. But I am proud to have those expectations that it’s national championship or bust. I don’t ever want to be proud to be just Big XII champs.
      Second, I think Striker is gone after this year. His NFL value will not go up by staying another year. Plus his value is in the pass rush and Mike Stoops’ scheme doesn’t guarantee that role for him on a game by game basis. The same can be said for DGB. Top 15 pick in all likelihood and really doesn’t owe OU anything. We took the chance.
      Third, I don’t like taking a QB just to take a QB. That fills a scholarship spot for four years. Baker Mayfield will be this year’s QB. That will leave OU with 3 QBs with two years eligibility left after this year. Take a quality QB next year (or even two) next year to redshirt and compete for the starting job in two years.

  • Kevin says:

    Again, forgive my overall ignorance of the recruiting process and details of the game (so take my opinion with a grain of salt).

    I get the sense that recruiting the right players comes down to evaluating a player’s raw talent, how that talent will fit within a particular scheme, developing those players within that scheme, tweaking the scheme to place its players in the best possible position to succeed, and understanding the personality of the player to make sure that they will thrive within the team environment. Seems very similar to many skill-level jobs – while many people may have similar CV’s/resumes, it is just as much about finding people that fit as much as it is getting the talent and putting them in a position to succeed. Of course, there’s location and academics and facility and all of those other things that may influence a player’s decision, but from a coaching standpoint that would probably be the perspective I would take (from a macro-level since I don’t know the X’s and O’s).

    The trouble is, right now there’s no set scheme – so no matter how talented the players are, success is going to be elusive. It will be inconsistent (as we’ve seen), and as a recruit that would be very concerning. I think that’s why there’s such a big push from the fan base to change up what’s going on – because it’s very evident that continuing the same path defensively and offensively is going to lead to inconsistent results.

    As I’ve said before, I think that there’s a good shot that the long-term prognosis remains optimistic – if there is a willingness to change and be honest with the state of how things are progressing. The fans are upset right now because such minimal information is being provided about what’s actually being analyzed and discussed. But at the same time, I don’t know that I would want all of the other teams in the country to know what OU’s plans are in intimate detail either…it seems like that would cripple recruiting and game planning that much more.

    The other factor that hasn’t been discussed much is the team chemistry aspect. And for me the team dynamics are what makes me feel like OU is not going the way of Texas mediocrity. For all of UT’s 4- and 5-star recruits, over and over there was this discussion of how so many players during the Mack Brown era were soft and had an entitled mentality. This attitude of “I’m a hot-shot football player so I can do whatever I want” is being displayed more and more by top-ranked recruits (and people in other sectors of life for that matter – geez I’m sounding like an old fogey). While many teams allow that nonsense slide as much as they legally can to win games, one thing I have appreciated is that as discouraged and frustrated as the players have been there has not been any sense from the team that there are “haves” and “have-nots”, as though OU deserves to win simply because they’re OU. We as fans have been spoiled to think that (and justifiably I think that we have a tremendous amount of talent that seems to be misallocated), but the comments coming from the players does not reflect that. It speaks volumes to me about the character of the men that are being recruited, and it speaks well to the hope that making the proper adjustments (perhaps placing coaches in the right position to succeed as well?) will lead to that elusive NC. So hopefully recruits will look beyond the moment and consider better long-term goals.

  • Rene Goupillaud says:

    Super K, any recruit you speak to regarding fans leaving the Baylor game early, please offer them this tidbit. I travel 1300 miles each way to see OU play. I also go to away games when I can. As a season ticket holder, I’ve attended 80% or more of the home games since 1998. Not bad seeing that I live in Southern California. I’m a donor and I spend a fair share of my annual income on OU football. Despite the losses, I’ll be supporting the team next year and the year after, etc. That is the kind of fan you find at a few places like OU and Notre Dame.

    Nobody likes to watch their team play poorly, which the Sooners did. Players should recognize that if you go to a school with fans like ours, not only will they cheer like crazy (TT in 2008), but they’ll voice displeasure when the team under performs substantially. OU fans never boo the players, but I’ve been there when they booed every coaching staff since Wilkinson (maybe he was booed as well). Since today’s staff is paid so well and fans have to dig deep to buy tickets, one should expect boos when the team doesn’t play up to Sooner standards. College football is a big time business and with that come big time expectations. This isn’t high school.

    But I can guarantee one thing, 95% of the fans support the players and want to see them have fun. Though we’re disappointed, we accept losing to good competition. We know we aren’t as disappointed as the players. I hope our Sooners were as disappointed in their performance against Baylor as the fans were. Moreover, just like the players, we’ll rebound and continue to support our players.

    • SamSooner says:

      Rene, I think I needed this as much as anyone. Thank you for sharing.

    • Brent says:

      As a Southern Californian OU alum myself, Rene has just laid down the gauntlet. I need to step my OU fandom game up immediately! Much props to you Rene!

  • hOUligan says:

    Agree that OU can be successful w/o getting 4-5* players at every position. Until now this staff has done well with taking some 2-3* and putting them other positions and coaching them up. As you said, the key is knowing who you are and what you want to do as an offense and as a defense and be true to selecting those players that fit regardless of ***s. First things first, Get an identity and scheme and recruit to beat Baylor and TCU who are the most innovative, dynamic teams in the B12.

  • SoonerBredCD says:

    Reading between the lines, is Will Lockett the only visitor from the weekend that we’ll have a realistic shot to land?

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Nice write up and well said, Super K. Like you said the other day, recruiting is often about the relationship between coach and recruit.

    Some guys are must-haves (PJ, Overton, Dru Samia, and Cody Ford to name a few). It’s my hope they stick with OU because OU still offers an incredible opportunity, despite one bad loss.

  • hOUligan says:

    As far as the CB recruits, PJM was tweeting he’s a press corner. Think he stays in the fold? Mike needs to figure out what he wants of his corners and recruit accordingly. Saw Herm Edwards talking about the nfl being QB driven which now makes CBs the 2nd most valuable commodity in the league. The game has evolved and Mike has not yet. As you said, recruits need to see what you are going to do and if they fit into your scheme. OU needs to bring in a new CB coach and recruit to how you are going to play Baylor in the future.

  • DCinAZ says:

    So basically Boz was painfully correct in his analysis that the program is in disarray.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    There is not a position on the team that can’t stand improvement from quality recruits, so the opportunity is there. The facilities are there. The housing is par excellance. Seems the biggest questions surround the ability of the staff to recognize talent when they see it, recruit it, and coach it . That is probably in the mind of HS recruits like it is us fans.

  • Billy says:

    K, I understand why you won’t tell us what exactly they said, but why even mention that part at all? It’s like telling someone you know a secret about them and not telling them what it is.

  • Rene Goupillaud says:

    In early 80’s about 10 of us would get together in Costa Mesa to listen to the Sooner radio broadcast. We would call in to the Sooner network and get the feed straight to a speaker phone. We started with about a dozen guys and it cost us about $4 each for the call. By 1983, we were down to 3 guys paying $15 each. It was just 2 of us at my house for the oSu game that year. The $20 bucks apiece was well worth it when we had the 4th qtr comeback. By the late 90’s we were listening to games on Broadcom Mark Cuban’s company). We persevered through the 81-83 and 96-98 seasons. Fortunately Mike lived to see the 2000 National Championship and a chance to take his son to the 2001 RRS. He passed much too young. What I remember and appreciate most was his confidence that OU would rebound from tough periods. That didn’t keep us from questioning the coaching staff’s decisions or wonder how long they’d last. But every July, we geared up for another hopeful run at a championship. OU fans forget how many traditional powers don’t have what we have. USC has had long periods of poor coaching and poor records. same with Notre a Dame. Michigan and Ohio State did well in the Big 10, but would get whipped in the Rose Bowl.

    When we complain about not winning a national championship in years, we should remember USC went 26 years between titles, Texas went 35 years, Ohio State 34, Alabama 17, FSU 14, Notre Dame is 26 years and counting, Georgia 34 and counting, Penn State 28 and counting, Michigan 17 and counting, Miami 13 and counting, and Michigan State 49 and counting. Then there are those like Oregon who have never won one.

    We are lucky to be Sooner fans. While we must always have high expectations, but we should remember it could be a lot worse.

    • boomersooner says:

      Awesome post

    • kt-raida says:

      *slow clap*

    • Boom says:

      I read it twice to let it sink in and I wanted to say, Thanks. Put me back in coach.

    • connie usa says:

      Rene. U have turned my frown, around.
      And I thank you for this.
      As an ’85 grad, I’ve seen the good and the bad. The bad times were much worse than this.

    • Deake says:

      I agree we all need to keep things in perspective and remain strong in our conviction in being Sooner fans. I’m not an advocate of tossing a staff under the bus after a horrible loss. What is very concerning is that I continue to hear people say “we can’t win every game, or we can’t win a championship every year”. I get that; but at this point we aren’t winning games that I would consider 50/50 games. Our best win this year is WVU. With the exception of the Bama win this seems to be a common theme over the past few years. My expectation as a Sooner fan is that we beat the teams that we are supposed to beat and along with that we beat the tougher teams on our schedule most of the time. OU isn’t that program any longer. Something needs to change to bring that back. If year after year we blame losses on a lack of execution then maybe the schemes they are running are too difficult to execute. Hopefully we can support the kids and finish strong.

      • Rene Goupillaud says:

        I am as disappointed in this season as anyone. I agree that WVU was our signature win, though I’m delighted that we beat Texas.

        But I think Baylor provides a real challenge in match-ups for us. Briles is an excellent coach and he spotted our weakness and exploited it. I’m disappointed in the TCU and KSU losses because I believe we should have beaten them. I don’t like getting whipped like Baylor, but I didn’t like losing to Arkansas in the Orange Bowl or to Kansas in 1975 either. I hated getting destroyed by KSU, Mizzou and Nebraska in 1969 when we had 3 first rounders including the Heisman winner. We had better talent in each of those losses, yet lost them all convincingly.

        So I disagree that we aren’t that kind of team anymore. Frankly, we rarely are that kind of team, nobody is. Fans must separate myth from reality.

        • Deake says:

          I truly understand that as fans our expectations get out of whack so to speak. I understand that there will be some bad losses along the way. What I don’t want to accept is when your DC says that when you line up against Baylor you will either die a slow death or die quickly. I don’t like that mentality. I also don’t like that the program more often then not in the last 10 years has lost the “big games” that they are in. 10-2, 9-3 are not bad seasons, but when you beat 10 teams or 9 teams that you are supposed to and lose the 2 or 3 games, repeatedly, that can push you into elite status you have to re-examine things. The last several years we have players leaving the program that feel disenfranchised, something isn’t quite right. I’m just suggesting that someone hit the pause button and at least examine it rather then saying ” it’s ok, you can’t win them all”. Right now we aren’t winning many of the really meaningful ones.
          I do appreciate your position on this and it’s probably more correct more than mine.

          • Rene Goupillaud says:

            You make a good point. I hope Bob is doing some soul searching. I accept his comment that the players work hard and have a good attitude, but something is missing. Most of us have an opinion on it, but all that matters is what does Bob think.

          • Deake says:

            You are correct. I hope he gets it right. Its been a pleasure hearing your perspective. looking forward to many more posts from you.

        • Greg sparks says:

          The reality is were OKLAHOMA and they are BAYLOR I’ll never separate that, and I spent many hrs of my youth listening to Brooks do the best play by play, OU should never get whooped like that at home our talent is equal, our coaching was subpar, Stoops is a great coach and a fantastic leader of the program but our recruiting is down and after Saturday looks even worse and the “I don’t care” comment didn’t help. And for my money the ut win trumps the wv win every year.

          • Rene Goupillaud says:

            Really good coaches who have to turn a team around pich a target. That is why McCatney at Colorado wanted to creat a rivalry with Nebraska and why Osborne refused to go along. You pick a target, a goal for your team to be better than the team you need to beat. For Baylor, that was OU. I think that is Why Petty kept saying get ready for OU. That’s been Briles driver. Bob’s success put the target on us.

            My hat is off to Briles, as it is to Snyder.

            Success puts that target on a winner. So you are right, we are OKLAHOMA and they are Baylor. We don’t put a target on Baylor. We put our target on Alabama.

          • Greg sparks says:

            I’ve coached many years now and I disagree, you pitch hard work trumps talent if talent dosent work hard. You run your drills faster to get more work in. The most important game is always the next one, a coach can’t be overly concerned about what team is four games away. What I’m not seeing is improvement every week, something all coaches expect to see, and this past Saturday the team quit I’ve watched the game three times now, and some starters should be benched. I trust Bob to do his very best to right the ship and finish with four blowouts. BOOMER!!

          • JB says:

            I agree, coach Sparks…except for the part of having confidence in Bob righting the ship. The problems that were so heavily exploited on Saturday have been present and visible to anyone with eyes since the WVU game. Furthermore, WVU gave the blueprint on how to beat Baylor by blitzing the crap out of Petty all game long. We are making the same mistakes over and over again, and aren’t learning from others. My confidence in Bob right now is at an all-time low.

            Attitude reflects leadership. The attitude I saw from the team on Saturday is best described as “LOSER”. The quitting attitude I saw from the OU fooball team on Saturday reflects so poorly on Bob (as well as a poor defensive scheme with little or no adjustments made), that I now question his leadership, desire and ability to adapt to the changes in the game. I do not believe–and I want more than anything to be wrong about this–that Bob will ever raise another National Championship trophy again at OU.

    • Won says:

      There’s only ONE Oklahoma

    • Brad Warren says:

      Excellent perspective. Thanks!

    • JB says:

      It could (and most definitely should) be a lot better than what we are seeing on the field.

    • disqus_uj44WuVjt2 says:

      Ive had a few double Bubbles in Costa Mesa. cant remember the name of the bar. It was on the water.

  • Cole says:

    I’m not worried about OU losing games affecting recruiting. Tennessee is losing games and have one of the best recruiting classes this year.

  • Dr. Doobie says:

    Came across this while mindlessly thumbing through a trash magazine…. Trevor’s curse….

    • Dr. Doobie says:

      Well… I guess the photo didn’t come across. Any suggestions on how to imbed from an iPhone?

  • Chris White says:

    I think it’s time to let Bobby Jack Wright go and I know from inside the program I am not the only one. He was brought in because he was friends with nearly every Texas High School coach back in 99′, however, most if not all of those coaches are retired so those connections aren’t that great. On top of that, he’s our cornerback coach. We have great Cornerbacks that we can’t develop and while most of that is scheme, it’s also the coach. We need a younger more enthusiastic Corner coach. Corners need someone with Swagger and energy to keep them hyped and confident the entire time.
    Also the Tim Kish project has to go. We all gave him a chance since he’s been here and the LB’s haven’t really gotten better, bigger nor are they deep on the depth chart from recruiting.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    Chris W……………..BJW may be the CB coach but M Stoops is devising the gameplan and forcing the other coaches to accept it………as far as recruiting goes, OU and others missed on JT Barrett the RS FR quarterback leading the Ohio ST Buckeyes The guy is from Wichita Falls, TX……….don’t think OU even brought him for a visit and don’t think Mikey Gundy at Puke St did either………….the mark of a good staff is one that can evaluate talent and recruit it when others fail to see the talent……..Switzer and staff was great at it ; Stoops & staff less so.

  • RBear says:

    Says a lot without directly quoting anyone. Sounds like OU needs to be doing quite a bit more evaluating/re-evaluating if they want to remain competitive AND figure out what scheme(s) those kids will be expected to execute.

  • Zack says:

    Well whitfield has committed to Tulsa.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      He will be a super star there and they didn’t even have to win to get him.

      • Zack says:

        I think stoops will regret snubbing some of the in state talent this year. Whitfield. Patterson. Preston. Mayfield.

        • Sooner Ray says:

          I agree and now he has nothing to lure them with if he decides he needs them.

          • connie usa says:

            I think if OU does offer, even late, they would probably flip.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Hope you’re right connie.

          • Zack says:

            And there’s way more guys from oklahoma. It’s not just about finding talent or guys who fit schemes. It’s about finding guys who love ou not the coaches ability to get them to the next level or exposure. When stoops won early on it was about getting tough guys who wanted to play at ou ever since they were born, that includes the guys blake brought in.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            It’s always been a winning recipe, time to start cooking.

        • hOUligan says:

          Feel the same way. Guess we’ll see over the next 4 years. Will be watching Whitfield at Tulsa to see how they use him.

  • Sooner Ray says:

    This team is loaded with talented players, these players could win a championship at many schools. The execution explanation has been worn out, lack of execution is fixed in a week and new problems are addressed. We used to win in an ugly fashion or lose a tough fought battle from time to time and it was called lack of execution and it was quickly fixed.

    Something is going on internally that is bringing total dysfunction to this team of talented athletes. The kids need to be coached more effectively ( it’s possible they are being “over coached”) and the cancers need to be cut loose. Programs can be turned around in short order, Switzer had to do it and Stoops has done it in the past. Time to circle the wagons.

  • SoonerFan11 says:

    Bet money attrition hits pretty hard this year too.

  • Tom Turman says:

    Hey guys, just curious how this recruiting class ends up. By my count, OU currently has 81 guys on scholarship and 18 of those will be graduating. I’m not counting Frank Shannon in either number, nor am I counting Baker Mayfield in the 81. I’ve already removed Cavil from the scholarship count. That would leave 63 returning scholarship players. We would have room for 22 in this recruiting class IF no one else leaves. Knowing that Mayfield will get 1 of those scholarships, that means we can sign 21 in February. We currently have 16 commitments. My questions to you are: how many do you think will leave the program and how do you see the recruiting class finish out as of right now?