I’m just going to rattle these off bullet point style as I’m still coming to terms a bit with what we all witnessed yesterday.
* One of many things that surprised me yesterday was just how disappointed I felt following the game. I wasn’t angry, it was truly disappointment. And in listening to the postgame stuff on the radio, I think it helped me understand why it was more disappointment than it was anger.
Typically following an OU loss, you’ll have a bunch of crazy (often drunk) morons calling in to scream for someone’s head on the coaching staff. And don’t get me wrong, after some of what happened yesterday (that’ll we will certainly touch on here as well) there was definitely some of that. But what struck me the most about what I was hearing was the resignation of so many OU fans as to what we’d just seen.
Because, sadly, it seems as though it’s something we see at least once every year of late. OU loses a game they shouldn’t for whatever reasons and we’re all left sitting here wondering how/why/what just happened. Now let me be perfectly clear on something real quick. All credit is owed to TCU. They were clearly the better team yesterday and deserved to win. So this is NOT about making excuses as to why OU should have won. Considering the way OU played, in my humble opinion they deserved to lose the game.
But yet here we sit once again, in the midst of a season in which the expectations were deservedly very high, and the fate of which is very much up in the air because of yet another disappointing performance in a game, by all reasonable thinking, OU probably should have won.
You know it was brought to my attention yesterday on Twitter after the game that Bob Stoops hasn’t managed to take an OU team undefeated into the month of November since 2004. I didn’t have time to go back and vet that stat, but if we assume that it’s true just think about that for a minute. Because it perfectly illustrates my point.
We shouldn’t, as a fan base, just accept that this is going to happen at least once every season. And yet in listening to the callers last night after the game, it seems like that’s where a lot of us are right now. And if that’s true, it’s pretty disturbing.
* And while I know it’s never going to change, so bitching about it is truest sense of wasting one’s time…I could not possibly be more tired of Bob same ol’ worn out coach speak excuse following losses. The same blah, blah, blah about getting out-coached and out-played and out-executed.
I hate it.
And I hate it because it never changes even in spite of this type of performance, as described above, seemingly happening at least once every year.
* It’s ridiculous to try and pin this loss on any one thing. There were so many aspects of OU’s play and coaching that isolating it to just one thing would be either incredibly short-sighted, or creating a scapegoat simply for the sake of doing so.
That said, Josh Heupel’s offensive play-calling in the second half was simply indefensible.
At one point, with a QB who was CLEARLY struggling with his accuracy, he called passes on 11 out of 12 consecutive plays. 11 out of 12?!?
I write that as though I am incredulous at it happening, but it’s not like that was the first time we’ve seen Heupel get in a play-calling rut and make questionable decision after questionable decision.
Oh, and this ‘check with me at the line while I try to come up with the perfect play and force you to change already “perfect” play I had called to a different “perfect” play all with under eight seconds remaining on the play clock which inevitable leads to the coaches down on the field frantically running onto the field to waste a timeout that may have come in handy later in the game’ crap has simply got to stop.
* As much as everyone, myself included at times, was screaming to run the ball in the first half, I understood what they were trying to do offensively. Taking those deep shots down the field to back off the TCU defense who were, like every team OU has faced thus far and will the rest of the season (especially after Knight’s performance yesterday), loading up the box. And to their credit, it was working. Even though that certainly is not the strength of Knight’s game, he and Shepard obviously connected on a number of long throws.
But the double edged sword of that scenario, as we saw in the second half, is that Heupel — at least in my opinion and I’m not sure how you can argue it after that second half play-calling — falls in love with the pass.
* Credit Mike Stoops and the defense for shoring things up in that second half. Make no mistake, they played horribly in the first half. But in the second they gave the OU offense every opportunity to win that game, and they simply could not capitalize on the chances they were given.
* What can you say at this point about Trevor Knight as a quarterback? It is painfully clear (and was well before yesterday mind you) that they are not putting him in the best position to be successful. They are not playing to his strengths and we/they saw the results of what you get when you hamstring him by coaching him to stay in the pocket then expect him to just be able to turn it on when needed.
Simply put, he was horrible passing the ball yesterday. Yes, the long balls were nice. But you have to be able to complete passes at least somewhat consistently and on any level 14-of-35 just isn’t going to cut it.
If they continue to ask him to be a pocket passer, this won’t be the last game OU loses.
* And having watched some of that Baylor/Texas game yesterday during commercials of our game, I have no clue how OU is going to move the ball on Saturday. I can tell you right now they are going to have very little success running the ball against that Texas front. Which means they seem to have little choice in asking Knight, once again, to win it with his arm. And after yesterday, I’m not sure why anyone would have much faith in that being a successful strategy.
* I’m certainly not breaking any news in stating Sterling Shepard is simply incredible. To do what he’s done so far in being OU’s only legit receiving threat is beyond impressive. But that also illustrates one of the major problems with this offense at WR, it’s just Shepard.
Durron Neal is a talented player, but five games in it appears as though he has a difficult time getting separation down the field. He can work those underneath routes and get you some yards after the catch, but he does not have the look of a downfield threat. And I have no clue what the coaches are trying to do with KJ Young — when Knight isn’t putting the ball at his shoestrings — or why they have wasted a year of eligibility for Michiah Quick.
They clearly have problems at WR and yesterday only further showed just how much it’s hurting the productivity of this offense, at least against a good defense which OU still have several left to face.
* The fact OU is voluntarily give up any threat of a punt return at the sake of basically just instructing Shepard to fair-catch everything is absolutely pathetic for a program of this stature.
* Running between the tackles with Alex Ross is just stupid.
I don’t know what else they need to see to know that just isn’t his game and that he’s apparently incapable of making any sort of move to actually get around a defender. But it’s abundantly clear to this uneducated fan sitting on his couch at home. And as I’m told daily on the radio by guys simply repeating the things I and my fellow fans have already been saying for weeks, I couldn’t possibly know what I’m talking about.
Either come up with some plays to get him outside the tackles and take advantage of the one strength of his game as a RB, or just keep Samaje Perine in there the whole time.
What happened to the stretch play? Or those swing passes to the RB that were so effective early in the year?
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I could go on, but I’m sure you’re tired of me ranting. But I needed this, so thank you.
I know we’ll have plenty more in the coming days before we move on to Texas. But for now, if you’re anything like me, feel free to get out whatever you need to get out in the comments below.
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Out of curiosity, as much as our WR have sucked it up. Why can’t we move Shep back into the inside? It would give TK a guy he clearly relies on running routes that are easier to complete than a fade. I know we have struggled with everyone else on the outside, but really no one has looked great on the inside either. And Shep is a inside guy being forced to lay outside.
Put Ross on outside and let him run fly routes all damn day. He’ll outrun defender 50-75% of time, and if he can catch it, superstar.
Good point let him run 10-15 of those a game and if he beats the defender even only 3 times, you have 3 touchdowns.
Teach him a double move, and DAMN.
I don’t think Ross can create space on a DB any more than he can find the hole. That is something guys who have been doing it for years stubble to do. I’m sure he could beat a few guys just pure out running them, but they would play him how we play and play 8 yards off the ball because you’re not scared of anything else he can do.
Valid point.
I was at the game, watched every play and OU deserved to lose it, pretty much start to finish. I held out hope for some Sooner Magic at the end, but it wasn’t to be. So frustrating to watch the offense look so unprepared and make no halftime adjustments. Hats off to TCU for a good gameplan and a well prepared team. Shame on OU for wasting a bye week and putting out a pathetic product.
Something needs to be said about what we do during a bye week as well. This is 4 years in a row we have lost a game coming off of a bye week.
I hate bye weeks. lol
too much time to think. we looked like a BV defense saturday.
Jordan, I agree with every point you’ve made. A few things I’m mulling over:
(1) Perine is a rare talent and physically capable of carrying the workload in Ford’s absence. If we need a change-of-pace guy, give Brooks and/or Smith a shot.
(2) Knight still has a lot of growing up to do as a QB, but he’s got to grow into his own style of play. Heupel could learn from TCU’s development of Boykin here.
(3) We’ve lapsed back to the “play not to lose” attitude instead of maintaing the “play to win” swagger we saw in the Sugar Bowl and early 2000s. We started the game as if we were already in a comfortable lead.
(4) Safeties look stiff and the DBs are getting no respect from OCs (and for good reason).
(5) We should reserve the “Area Code” nickname for KJ Young for when he decides to show up and play. Until then, I’m calling him “Camo” – he seems to just blend into the field when he’s on it. Poof. Vanishes. Nowhere to be seen.
Point 3 is so true. Everything about that game felt like “playing not to lose”
Which is sad. Because I know *nothing* about the game (aside from what y’all have taught me), and yet I in my vast ignorance can see and sense that.
Abso-freaking-lutely! I HATE playing “not to lose.” Thats inevitably how you lose, damn near every time!!!!!
Everything they’ve done w/ Knight this year being afraid to let him play to his strengths REAKS of playing not to lose.
Exactly, and they are certainly not letting Knight be the QB that he is. What people aren’t realizing is that this “caution” is holding back the entire offense. I could write a nice essay on it, but I think this game sums it up enough.
Our defense plays to it’s identity when we play aggressive, going to kill your QB defense. Got to let the dawgs loose!
The coaches clearly thought we would win the gem right up to the last possession. Falling down 14 early forced us to be aggressive. Once we tied it, nothing aggressive until the toss to Durron that went 40 yards. TCU adjusted at half, making the deep throw harder to complete because we weren’t winning the line of scrimmage. Our defense adjusted at half as well, but our offense played right into their hands.
TK doesn’t have any more growing up to do. HE is who he is. He is an inconsistent, flawed QB who, IMO is about as good as he’s going to get. He’s 2-1/2 years in. He’s terribly inaccurate. Stares down targets. Can’t handle any pressure. And he can’t read defenses either. I hope Baker Mayfield is able to unseat him next and is better. TK is not a championship caliber QB on a consistent basis. He may be good for a game at a time, but in this level of competition, you have to do that nearly every game. He can’t.
Can someone who knows more than me explain why Ross wouldn’t make a better WR than a RB? He is just not a good RB and it is a shame to waste all that speed, he has shown that he has pretty good hands. Don’t know why we haven’t seen Brooks.
He’s not really that shifty.. has problems making people miss. Not sure skill set is there for traditional WR. Maybe just running fly routes?
Has no vision, can’t make someone miss and goes down with first contact. Not the normal skill set for a RB (and I was one that thought he would be the starter). If he does not have the ability to move to WR I don’t see anywhere else he could play. Hadn’t really thought about him on defense.
could be one hard-hitting safety!
Something has to change with him. All that speed and big frame can’t be put to waste. This is a stretch, but I think he would be a good outside blitzer on defense.
Not a stretch. I was considering during the game myself if they should try him out on D. So, you’re not the only one. I think we are all racking our brains trying to find where he’d fit best, cuz he is one helluva talent…
IMO. Ross has the body of a running back. When you look at WR, they are not as thick through and through as he is. Also it takes time to learn to run routes. He could be a guy you would put out on the outside and let him run fade routes all day long and maybe he would get open on one for a big play every other game. But also as has been noted about Duron Neal, you have to be able to create space as a WR, which is something you have to develop. They could try it, but at this point in the year it is too late to try to develop him out there. Plus it takes a ton of time to learn a new position. Bell has not looked all to great at TE to me either coming off of a position switch.
Man, Jordan. I’m not sure I can add much else. YOU nailed it!
The site sure does make digesting games much, much, much easier, especially losses. So happy to converse with fellow fans, and “vent.”
We need it as much as you, trust me!
God how I hate that meerkat look when they try to change the play with 5 seconds on the play clock.
Wish we would abandon “check with me” altogether. POS gimmicky scheme. If you’re better than the other team, just call a play and beat them! If play needs to be changed, let your QB actually read defense and change play when HE sees fit. Maybe thats why our QB’s have been soo slow to develop. they dont read the defenses themselves, the coaches up top do, and tell them what to run and where to look. TEACH our qb’s to read D on their own! Would help with player awareness, and ability.
They didn’t even let Bradford read the defenses and he was one of the best. They have Knight, a roll out passer and zone read guy and they want to make a pure pocket passer out of him. All because of the thought of him getting hurt. I just wish they would go back to a power I formation and line up and beat people.
I know it! And I feel that has delayed his development in the NFL too (besides the obvious injuries). You HAVE to teach your qb’s to read defenses, and not do it for them all the time. 100% agree with you about the I-formation.
Hell, even Josh read the defenses when he was QB. That was his strength. Why not teach the others to do it. Makes no sense.
That is one hell of a point.
Maybe because he wants all the credit.
Meerkat on air… BREAK
I never understood that. I thought it was like last year when our “read option” was a called hand off or keep, Trevor never had the decision. I almost question whether they tell him what player to throw it to. If you don’t trust him to read the defense and make any adjustments or to decide who to throw to then maybe we just snap it to a running back and let him run every play.
First, hats off to TCU on the win.
As another “ordinary fan”, this pretty well covers it for me. as well. Everything about our offense seems to say “run the ball” this year, yet OU goes back to the pass, even in short yardage. The D makes their halftime adjustments, allows only 7 points in the 2nd half, gives our O the ball twice and the play calling goes “wtf”!
Did I simply miss seeing Rip, Flowers, and Perine in the game at the same time with TK under center?
Who else throws a hail mary to the corner, out of bounds, and not towards the center, near the goal line? Frustrated and looking forward to see what the coaches do with this really good talent we have for the remainder of the season.
That hail mary never had a chance. Mead was 2-3 yards out of bounds. I have never seen it thrown to the corner before, usually 8-10 yards inside the boundary.
I really enjoy the TFB site and the game thread idea. I know we played horribly, lost the game more than TCU won it.
What I dont like about the game threads are how many whiners we have in our fanbase. And I think the moderators should make a conscious effort, knowing full well that chat forums and threads magnify intended expression and emotion (as do emails and all social media), to keep a positive attitude about our team. That was the spirit in 2000 when we were far less entitled. Being and alum, I am heartbroken but I am a Sooner faithful until the end. The season is far from over. We are not the only ones who lost. Let’s rally behind our team. In football and in life, there are no rooms for debbie downers. BOOMER!
For the most part I agree with you, but my only qualm is this: It IS a gameday thread, whiners or not, everyone on here loves our sooners and wants to see them succeed. A moderator on this site is a FAN too, and if they want to express disappointment during the game, along with anyone else who wants too, than they have every right. Gameday threads are full of emotion, and knee-jerk comments. I too made a couple comments yesterday that would be considered “downers,” and I am one of the most faithful (and positive about the team) Sooners (and alum) you’ll meet, and will NEVER give up rooting for our Sooners. I’m assuming we ALL rally. SOONER!
the one guy was pretty funny, i thought. akryan i think it was. sarcasm after sarcasm. funny as you can be considering
akryan def had some good ones
I too am guilty and will continue to be guilty of in the moment vitriol towards our team. Believe me, I was on the fire Stoops stump in 2012 when we just seemed to lay down with a loss. As I’ve participated on the game threads this year, and this is subjective, we often go from Randy Quaid’s fan character in Major League (funny) to crossing that very unfortunate and kind of pathetic intramural sports dad/ crazy sports radio dude threshold. Let’s not be those guys. It’s probably worse because our expectations are so high this year but still…
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but in the heat of the moment people (myself very much included) are going to say things they might not otherwise. There’d be no point in trying to moderate that. The only solution would be to just not do a game thread at all.
We all get emotional and frustrated, then after having time to settle down we become, for the most part, a little more rational.
Well I agree it is everyone’s right to voice their opinion and completely understand the live game thread context. I too have and will continue to have my share of, “@%)E*!!! Fire (insert coach name here)…yay, we win, Sooners for life” moments. I am not asking for comments to be restrained to marshmallows and unicorns.
You cannot “moderate” these comments but I feel subjectively that even since the Tenn game, people have been disproportionately negative from the jump. We can make some efforts to balance things a bit and not be SOONER DOOMERS all the time.
This is the WHY: from a branding perspective, TFB is unique and a part of that has to do with the classy, positive tone on the site. That’s just my take but it seems to be what many people compliment the site on. If you lose that, the free content is the main differentiator. I enjoy the game threads because I have a little kid and cannot go to local alumni events and like to participate. But I don’t really care if we have a thread or not, and I’d rather the site not devolve into other sites I would never participate in. I would gladly pay a fee for TFB content because of the integrity of the writers and because I am proud of how you all represent our university. I’ll leave it at that.
there was a lot to whine about saturday. maybe whining will get someones attention and result in something positive. play calling was attrocious and someone needs to know that we also know this. maybe it will get better.
I can say with a clear and sober conscious and without whining that TK so not a good quarterback. In my most loving and tender tone I express my sentiments that the offense looked terrible.
Now that is funny and i agree he isnt good now. QBs are accurate or they are not. Not too many guys at this level get significantly better with accuracy (ironically Boykin may be one). Also, i dont know the answer to this but can a zone read QB ever learn progressions? I mean the eyes start at the line of scrimmage then they have to look up. How can they possibly develop as passers?
My understanding of zone read is that is done on run plays. You can pass out of alla Kansas State but the rules state the offensive ,ineman cannot be down filed. IfJH is going to expect TK to chuck the ball 30 times a game then he dang well better be able to read defenses.
Osu is finding and developing qb’s far and away better than JH.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong. I too am tired of the wtf timeouts when a play apparently just didn’t get called. But was it the 4th down we took a timeout and then came back on the field and scrambled like a bunch of idiots and let the play clock get close to zero?
That crap has got to stop had we had an extra timeout then maybe we can use one when knight got sacked on an attempted qb draw which was a poor call for the situation.
spot on.
Here is something else I’m puzzled about.
I’m watching the game. Everytime I see the H-Back/Fullback/Tight end go
into motion to either side and stop and set up just off the tackle’s
backside I knew it would be a hand off to the back right in that gap.
Toward the end of the game I’m pretty sure TCU was keying on it and
stopping it cold. It was so frustrating. Sometimes I think Josh is in
over his head.
Would be a good play to do exact same thing, except run misdirection and hand ball off to the H-back/fullback/TE, coming back other way. easy 3-4 yds a pop, and then bust one.
Oh no, God help should they try a misdirection play.
I seriously think JH knows nothing of the counter play and has forgotten that delayed handoff the Q ripped people up with…… And JH was the one giving him the ball!
Hey that’s right ! I had forgotten about that. And we used a little shovel pass for a couple of years for defenses jumping into the backfield too quickly as well!
My dad hadn’t watched much OU football the last few years. He watched the Tennessee game and said if he was a linebacker he’d just key on the fullback and just to be safe play with the strong side foot back to cover the weak side—- fullback takes you to the ball.
He was also puzzled by all the fake jet sweeps and thought he remembered OU running the option with that motion against OSU and Bama ……… And wondered why not this year.
“Sometimes”???
Congratulations to our former 3rd string qb for a great win!! Looks like he’s developing nicely.
Who is this player?
Kendall Thompson, at Utah now. and if you were being sarcastic, then well, eh
ok…. I’m an idiot.
ssshh, you were just being sarcastic.
I saw that. That was a good game he put on against UCLA. Didn’t put up huge stats but he was 10/13 and also picked up 83 on the ground. Really glad to see him get a chance.
Our QB has gone downhill since Huepel has been calling plays. We no longer see the development of a QB improve year to year (look at Landry from 2010 after Fiesta Bowl onward). It seems that our QBs, much like the designated gives on ZR, are told to constantly through to Shepard. Don’t get me wrong, most of the time Shepard makes the catch, but dear God why is TK trying to force the ball to him when we he is double covered is beyond me. I do not like the fact that against pass happy offenses, our CBs are 10 yards off of their receivers. That is killing us. I could go on and on, but something needs to change. Either get a QB that can pass to fit our play calling, or change our play calling to fit our personnel. It is like I told my dad yesterday (he had to listen to it on the radio and didn’t see the horrendous game I saw), it was like OU has a bunch of computer parts, and Stoops and co. are trying to make a car out of them.
Guys, for all the reactions including mine, consider this: With a mess of an offense and a defense playing together in a new scheme their first year, we won 11 games last year with just two losses. With the improvement from last year, we know we have, we know this team can definitely do one better and win 12 games, now we got behind the 8 ball early with the loss. But I have a strong feeling that this team likes to have their backs to the wall to fight. They have taken a punch and are down, I am confident they are going to rise up and punch back with all they got. We have seen it last year, we know we will this year. The national scenario, with pac12, big10 and sec west further only helps us. Lets hope for the best. Boomer! BEAT SEXAT!!
I wouldn’t mind being a underdog in a few games to finish the season off actually. We play way better when we are ranked about 15 or so.
Is anyone else wondering how we are going to move the ball against a very, very good Longhorn defense?
I-formation. Perine right middle. Perine left middle. Perine 30 + carries. Play Action all day. But it has to be out of a downhill running formation, diamond or I, or something. Run right at ’em (hopefully thru).
I’m not afraid of their D stopping our run so much as I’m afraid we’ll run “pistol” all game and stop ourselves with slow developing runs. Seem too easy? probably is, lol
I am not quite as optimistic about our ability to run the ball against them. If we are able to run the ball, I believe it will be Trevor that will have to do it. They will load the box against Perine and take that away and if they also can take Shepherd out as the only dependable WR then they have removed the only dependable playmakers we have.
Baylor went for 278 rushing against them. Just gotta stay away from stupid mistakes on offense and blown coverages on defense. Texas scored with about 2:40 left in the game against Baylor. Expect the OU defense to get after Swoopes early and often. He is definitely no Boykin back there.
I’m with soonerinks on this one. That defense is stout. They put a new safety since BYU (#44) who seems to be at the right place. If OU WRs aren’t running good routes and doing a poor job getting separation then the Texass cbs are way good enough to lock up in man and the rest of the d can load the box.
Expect Daje Johnson back for this game and his presence will provide confusion for Thomas.
Is Bell ready to step up and can Trevor get the ball to him? If it was me, I would game plan the TE and WR’s down and across the middle after giving them a heavy dose of Perine. Who am I kidding, we don’t throw to TE’s.
Amem Daddy R. I even thought Landry would have benefited from a pro style offense. We have the tools to be a power run team, but Huepel is calling an air raid offense. Have him watch tape of Stanford and Mich. St. Oh btw they utilize a mismatch known as a te as well.
This message is for “j l”…if he ever shows back up. He was talking smack about LSU’s defense a few weeks ago and how he knows SEC defenses because he watches a bunch of SEC games every wk so I was wondering if he saw the LSU game last night. Anyway, I’d still love for Auburn to get a shot at OU in the playoffs–if we make it–because I still think you will get there.
And if you think this is trolling, you REALLY need to learn the definition of trolling. I never posted before trying to upset anyone or elicit angry responses. I only started defending my position after a few of your more vocal posters started talking $hit.
Go kill a tree
Wow, I have never heard that one before.
Or plant a tree whatever side of that your on. We don’t care to talk about your team here.
Blaster, if you read my post–like, really read it and not just saw words on a page–you would understand that I didn’t want to talk about my team or yours either. You would also see that, unless you’re “jl”, my message wasn’t directed at you. But thank you for the concern for our trees.
Prepare to,flame me. IMO Knight is not much of a QB. What we saw yesterday was the same TK we saw last season in the OSU game. It appears he cannot help
but lock onto one reciever. It looks like he can’t get a solid presnap read, his accuracy is crap, and if he goes through his progressions he must have no more than two. Mind you this is his third year in the program. Not sure how much position coaching goes on but it’s not getting results. At best TK is mediocre, and he is not a game changer.
The OU defense looked frustrated in the first half as if they were not comfortable with what mike stoops was asking them to do. The offensive line looked frustrated at all the late changes in play calling. Not sure the WRs are loving TK like they did in august.
Doesn’t matter how bad the Texass offense is, their defense will score twice on OU turnovers and win 14-3. I am not even watching the game live. I’m so tired of the schizophrenic offensive play. I’m ready to see Brooks and Williams in there instead of Ross.
i noticed that. this defense plays better fast and in attack mode. i think they were asked to play back and it effected them. they were not allowed to play their game. i guess too much time off allowed mike to think too much and it cost us dearly.
bringing pressure allows you to cover any deficiencies you may have. not bringing pressure leaves you with yesterday
Good points
Hey everyone. Long time fan of the site and a far longer fan of the Sooners. I wished my first post was going to be gushing about our Championship win, but sadly, its to pile on to Jordan’s disappointment.
To continue his on point bullet points:
We recruit all these WR weapons yet only 1 looks dangerous. Is this poor coaching or poor use of personnel or QB locking in to the one guy he trusts? Whatever it is, it sucks and needs fixing. Baylor played a few games missing their top FOUR WR and now they have 6-7 threats there. Where is Cavil? Where is Young? If things were this dire, we should have gotten another Bester from JUCO.
Alex Ross has speed. He does not have vision, cutting ability or especially power. Quit plugging him in like he runs like Perine or Ford. Alex, to me, would be better used as a 2nd back WITH Petine. Let team key on #32 and Alex becomes a great surprise sweep back.
I hated the 4th down run not just because it failed but that we felt doing the same thing that had worked intermittently all day was our best call. Get out of the pistol and sneak it sometime. Heck, Bell is usually in the huddle anyways. Quick snap and belldoze it. It would be more a threat now than what we tried to do. Also, no more fake Durron Neal’s into the back field. He doesn’t offer any threat if you don’t give him the ball, and his motion brings a defender closer to the play. Also, after snap, he is a useless body who doesnt block.
To play 10 yards off the LOS like Wilson and Sanchez do, you better read plays faster and if you give up a catch in front of you that you are basically allowing all day, you need to tackle the crap out of that WR. More big hits means more balls knocked out means more concern in the heads if your opponents that if he is catching that ball, he is going to pay the ultimate price.
Where was the pressure? Boykin had all day to choose where to kill us. We needed more creative pressure and ibvdont recall seeing Q blitz once yesterday. Would rather rattle a QB not known for his accuracy than lket himn dissect us/
I am rambling so best stop. I will end this by saying TCU deserved their win and they are firmly in the race now. However, I will forever say that OU gave this win to a team that was hungrier for it.
Damn. Nice first post. All good takes.
I,agree with all your observations. I thought the same thing about the Neal sweeping behind knight….. Knight was even facing the direction to make it a fake. I thought a QB sneak would have been the correct call with just TK and Darlington going on a tap.
The depth of the OU CBS gave up the slant and yards after contact were huge. I. Just repeating what you said so I’ll stop. But if it’s this obvious to us….?
I really, really would love to see a naked bootleg at some point. Its open damn near every run play we run to one side…
I think we will have some success on the ground against Texas. Baylor at one point was running right up the gut & went all the way down the field on em and scored. Its gonna be a tough game offensively tho no doubt. Especially with JH calling the shots.
I think the defense was too worried about Boykin running yesterday and so they played more conservative in pass rush and didnt bring people off the edge as much. I think its time to take Sterling off punt return. Gotta put Quick back there. Feels like every pass was thrown to the sideline. We gotta work the middle of the field more. Hopefully Ford is back this week, he brings good versatility out of the backfield
I do agree with this. Shepherd is no risk taker and he is also too valuable on the offense. I would try anyone really – Brooks. Quick. Taylor. Austin. Smallwood. Young. Please.
Does anyone else get Frank Alexander, Dominique Alexander, and Frank Shannon confused in their heads ever? I mean I know who each guy is, but every time I hear one of their names, I can’t help but think of the other two guys also. Random I know…
they are all rufus
The media in oklahoma is almost as bad as fan reactions. They’re all up in arms because tcu didn’t move past ou in the rankings. Which I guarantee all of the last 50 times a 20-25 ranked team (home team) beat a top 5 team (road team) had the exact same results in rankings. The bottom line is ou had a reputation for playing good teams. Tcu played 2 teams that shouldn’t even be in division 1.
what’d we fall to?
9th. Tcu is 12. But these guys for newsok are acting like this is their first year covering college football. Just because it’s a new era for deciding championships doesn’t mean they’re going to change the last 100 years of rankings.
just saw coaches poll. Actually pretty pleased we remained in top 10. So, so strange seeing Baylor at 3. Times sure have changed. lol
The World Is Upside Down in College Football. 8-10 Teams in the top 20 lost yesterday. Ball all accounts teams that should/could have won, lost. Oregon, Bama, OU, were #s 2, 3 and 4 in the rankings with OU (finally??) beginning to get some love from the press as many talking heads had OU as the #1 going into week 4. Heather Dinich from ESPN is telling Sooner fans not to lose hope. What world did I wake up to yesterday, when ESPiN is talking nice about my team, and I want to believe them? There is a lot of football left to play. I would like to see Bob get a little more “BIll Cowher” ish and spit on some reporters about how angry he is, at himself, or Mike, or JH, or TK, or ZACK SANCHEZ, etc. But that just isn’t how Bob does things. They fix things every year, and for every loss that we don’t expect, they usually show a win that we don’t expect to go along with it. Maybe all is not lost for a B12 Championship, Maybe all is not lost for the CFBP. There is a lot of football left to be played, We can always be excited for OUr boys to whoop the Whorns, I personally look forward to taking Coach Ryan Gossling to the Woodshed, and maybe, just maybe they find the same thing that pushed them over Bama against KST and Baylor. I no longer EXPECT it from them, and that is sad. But I still know its possible, and that’s why my TV will be tuned to the Sooner game every week.
11 teams by my count lost in top 20. This is why an 8 team playoff will be demanded as soon as the middle of January 2015…well probably by middle of December.
OK, I’m no game-planner, but why not Ross to slot ala Josh Norman? Clearly he’s not the inside runner we might need him to be but he has good hands and it seems he might be a handful for a S or LB, with his size and speed in space.
Good idea. But can he block?
If he can block, put him at fb.
Line him up in slot. Put him in motion. Run Triple option, Screens, Swing Passes, end around. Could be nice. I figure if we had that we’d use it. But I’m kind of completely confused about what offense we run after yesterday.
Spot on Jordan. Suddenly beating Texas isn’t a sure thing. Bob needs to have a long talk with Josh. We still could have won yesterday if not for the play calling. We need to discard the “let’s be safe and vanilla” approach and go into each remaining game with the same attitude that we did the Sugar Bowl or, like yesterday, we’ll lose again.
Yes, but did you hear what Stoops said in the post game pressor?
He was “fine” with the Offensive Play Calling!!
I threw up in my mouth after reading that!
Just want to point out to anyone who isn’t on twitter or maybe just didn’t notice it. But I don’t expect whitfield to get an offer from ou especially if they caught his tweet.
“Kinda glad that got beat haha. Since I got played”
ouch
Yeah I like the kid a lot and I hope he does well but I know the coaches will remove his name if they see that.
Im just curious why he feels that way?
I think he expected an offer and/or contact now that he’s played some games as a senior. And maybe we’ve backed off that’s all I can assume would create that kind of feeling.
Kid is an ass if he said that. Tweet back for him to go practice and learn some grammar.
Both teams got what they deserved yesterday.
TCU had better game plans on both sides of the ball than OU and executed them better. Get ready gang, everyone is going to model what TCU did yesterday. Not every team is as good as TCU but JH and MS better find some answers in their schemes and gameplans.
I agree to some degree, but not everyone has a Boykin at QB. He’s ability to extend a play and scramble was responsible for the game plan on the D side of the ball.
No way I run that D in the first half. Personally, I would have been crashing that QB right from the first of the game from both ends. Sure he might have some success, but he is not going to have all day and as we did in the SB, he would have been thinking about what’s coming on the next play as he is picking himself up off the turf. We needed to rattle his chain from the start…and didn’t.
Second half, bad bad bad. Execution was just awful. Penalties, delay of game calls, got pass happy with a struggling QB. Not to mention that the last 10 or 11 minutes was just overall poorly managed. Tons of credit to TCU, but we certainly helped them win it.
Your’s isn’t a rant, it’s a very candid and accurate assessment of yesterday’s game. I wasn’t angry either, just very disappointed. As I wrote in my post last night, this was no way to kickoff a $300 million dollar campaign to improve the fans’ game day experience. Nice digs don’t make up for underperformance.
I coached 17 & 18 year olds in club soccer. A coach knows when his team isn’t playing up to par very early in a game. It was obvious early yesterday that we weren’t really ready to play. We needed motivation, something to raise our intensity. But as we’ve seen, Bob isn’t that kind of coach. Nor will he really change things. TK knows the job is his. A lot if coaches would have said, son you don’t have it today, we’re going to give Cody a shot. Not Bob. Why? I don’t mean to say that Cody would have done better, but why not try and at least let TK know he must improve.
TK’s fundamentals aren’t where they should be. He locks in on his primary receiver right away. All a safety has to do is watch his eyes. What is Heupel doing? He couldn’t get Landry to pump fake or look off safeties either, basic skills. I agree that TK is being forced to play to his weaknesses and that flies in the face of coaching theory that we all knew before we left high school.
While I’m talking Heupel, I am officially done expecting him to grow as a coach. There is no evidence of any improvement in his performance. As someone posted yesterday, like Brent Venables, every once in awhile he has a brilliant game plan, but most of the time his game plan is hard to understand. In fact, it looks more like he starts playing it by the seat of his pants. That is why he falls in love with the pass.
Play calling criticisms:
1. Only 1 swing pass.
2. No bubble screens
3. No pass to Dimitri Flowers
4. Inability to score from 4 yard line after Neal’s great catch ( he proved he can go long, but we rarely throw to him deep).
5. No misdirection plays.
6. Running Alex Ross between the tackles, especially when we aren’t winning the line of scrimmage.
7. Not sure, but I think we went away from play action in the second half and we got sacked a few times or force to throw it away several times.
8. Game 5 and we still can’t get a play call in before the clock runs out costing us timeouts. This is an annual problem.
9. I wonder if our signals ever change. It seemed like they knew what we were going to do.
Every great team has a great safety. In 2000, we had Williams, Everage and Thatcher. In 1985, we had Dixon, Brown and Vickers. In 1975, Henderson and Hill. The 74 team had Randy Hughes. The 78 team had Darryl Ray.
Our safeties bring back memories of Eric Bassey and Nick Harris among others. They are often late in providing support, either biting on a play fake or reacting slowly. They may have potential, but there not playing even at the level of very good, much less great. Their mistakes cost us points and give up third and long conversions. Defensively, we can’t hide them. This puts tremendous pressure on Sanchez and Wilson. One or two mistakes a game can be the difference between winning and losing.
I don’t mean to be critical of our guys. I’m sure they are more disappointed than we are. But one can’t deny reality and expect to improve. I expect us to improve. I’ll be there Saturday with full support for these young men. I think they bounce back. If they don’t it will be because the coaches failed.
you saying that makes me wonder if that’s why the corners are playing off so far. to cover for safety play
And what has happened to the resurgence of the te at OU? Is it Huepel or is Bell that bad? Every good nfl team uses a te and they are a perfect outlet receiver when everyone is covered. That would also help with teams not being able to bracket Sterling. If I am a te recruit amd OU comes knocking I laugh at them and tell them no thanks.
To me, the TE is almost always a mismatch in your favor. An athletic TE with size is too big for a CB, too fast for a LB, and usually able to beat most safeties. I know not everyone can be a Keith Jackson or even a Jermaine Gresham, but there are athletes out there you can coach up to be that kind of threat. ISU has done a nice job with Bibbs. We have not received any quality TE play since the Gresham days (hat tip to James Hanna for what he did here).
I agree. I just dont know if its Huepel not utilizing them or Bell just isnt good.
as somewhat noted above there were 3 major problems with this game and OU going forward.
1) Defensive 3rd downs. There were numerous 3rd and longs that left the secondary looking blank. However, I feel most of the problem was on the defensive front. there was NO PRESSURE. Boykin had all day, and if no one was open, all day to RUN THE FOOTBALL. Something Heupel needs to let Knight do. we won’t win many games restricting knight, or letting the QB have all day to throw defensively. the play will break down eventually.
2) WRs. This was noted in many comments, and for good reason. At this point put in Quick, Mead, Cavil, all the young guys. because clearly our WRs as it is can’t get open or make big plays other than Shepherd. so yes, knight was inconsistent and inaccurate, but his WRs ultimately did that to him, along with the play calling. They forced him to force throws, especially since Heupel is allergic to running the ball. So don’t put this soley on Knight, but rather on Neal, Young, and Heupel.
3. Attitude. Whether is was players, coaches, staff etc. Everyone looked like they had just got back from vacation and not watched one TCU game. The defense stood around hands on their hips with no urgency throughout the whole game. usually you see striker, Sanchez etc fired up especially at the beginning of the game. but not against TCU. even stoops looked like he was coaching for the first time.
anyways, remember, this is our team and we need to support it no matter what!
Trust The Stoops Bros and Heupel to get these things ironed out, and, above all else,
BOOMER SOONER
One more thing,
I personally believe that Coach Stoops should consider putting Heupel as QBs coach and letting Norvell call plays. There’s not enough time spent coaching T Knight. he needs help in his passing and decision making. he has the potential to be a very good QB, but as of right now, he needs some help getting there.
Quick played yesterday. He missed a pass thrown to him, but that’s because it was a bit behind him. Not sure why they haven’t given him and Mead more opportunities.
it was tipped
I know but has he played anywhere near enough to justify burning his shirt? IMO, no. that’s what I was getting at.
I’m guessing they’re seeing something different in practice and games.
I was just burning up. The slants for slot were there. Needed to attack there more often…if one has to pass 11 of 12 times. Sheppard ran a good slant from slot & had a easy gain.
Stopped it RIGHT there. Same with Quick, 1try…tipped ball…& he was out of game.
He had some separation too. Why, why they are not using him (Quick) in a Percy role is beyond me. Get the freakin ball in his hands a few times/game. If he’s shown inconsistent hands catching, give him a freakin end around. Most dynamic player we have potentially….why don’t we give D’s something to think about?
That’s right, JH only wants to use 3-5 plays. Great plan against a D coach as Patterson.
Some great points all around.
Clearly Heupel was trying to make the D back off and respect the pass, and for a while he was able to burn the frogs by making them pay for loading the box. I think part of the problem is it couldn’t work for long. The D seemed to refuse to change their strategy, and Knight was simply not able to beat them with his arm all game long. What should strike people about that fact is that TK did beat Bama all day with his arm in the Sugar bowl (not to keep reliving that game). So then, the difference is largely the skill we currently have at WR. We don’t have Saunders and Bester anymore or Reynolds. If DGB were on the field to provide that additional downfield threat, I don’t think we would be having this discussion. Defenses would have no choice but to back off, and then the run would prosper (not that it couldn’t have worked anyway if Heupel had stuck with it, but that’s a separate point).
I agree we always lose at least one game we shouldn’t, and everyone else in the country has come to recognize that fact. It’s beyond enraging, but then again we may be coming to a point in our conference where undefeated seasons simply don’t happen anymore (except rarely). TCU and WVU are finally catching up – whether because they have shored up their recruiting since joining the B12 or whatever – and the B12 is simply stronger than anyone wants to admit. Balance between run and pass is essential, especially against a legit defense like TCU. Bobby is just not going to be able to be the league bully anymore, achieving success cheaply and steamrolling the majority of opponents. Life instead is going to be much more like it is in the SEC.
Oh, and you are correct about Ross. That young man should be reserved for plays that use his speed, getting to the edge, etc., as well as special teams. NOTHING between the tackles. Ever.
Like everyone else, I have much to say on this loss…..probably too much, so I’ll just stop there.
Leatherneck, there were many passes yesterday that no one- regardless of skill -could have caught because they were 5 or ten yards away from the receivers or else completely out of bounds . The passing was woefully poor. Saunders and Bester would have done a better job of getting separation I’m certain, but really TK just couldn’t seem to get it to where he was throwing.
I think there is plenty of blame to go around. He was off, yes. But lack of WR separation was still a major issue. I’m just saying we don’t have the depth at WR that we did, and that lack is costing us in the passing game. I also think, however, if TK was at least able to run more read option, he would establish a much better rhythm, and he wouldn’t have to pass it when he doesn’t feel comfortable doing so.
Disappointed in the coaches especially Heupel. Horrible game. He struggles against anyone with speed. Fullback up the middle WILL NOT WIN GAMES.
TK is still my choice for QB. I think he did as well as the coaches let him. We all know he can run yet he looked like Landry back there at times. For a guy with less than a whole year as a starter I’m still in his corner even though this wasn’t his best game, He surely didn’t have the coaches in his corner either.
Do the coaches really expect us, the fans, to believe that Shepard is the only receiver on this team that can get open and catch the ball ? BS..We have to do better. Bring out some of the young receiver and get them game experience now !
The coaches are horrible at changing the game plan quickly
“And having watched some of that Baylor/Texas game yesterday during commercials of our game, I have no clue how OU is going to move the ball on Saturday. I can tell you right now they are going to have very little success running the ball against that Texas front. ”
Seriously are you just guessing? Baylor ran for dang near 300yds..
i think he might kinda be getting at the fact that you might have to respect baylor’s pass game a little more than ours, which kinda opens the field, and the middle of it, up more so than us trying to go right at texas, hence they ran for 300 and our offense that showed up yesterday would quite possibly not reach that number
Who are you quoting?
It’s in the Post above all these comments.
Almost everyone lost this week. OU isn’t the only team that has some work to do to get back into the playoff selection. Ole Miss, Miss St., Bama, Florida State, Auburn, Baylor, pretty much everyone ahead of OU still has to play some difficult games. Florida State and Baylor less so than Ole Miss, Miss St., Bama, and Auburn. I think we all should get used to teams having 1-2 losses each year. OU didn’t lose a title yesterday. They still have an opportunity to play their way back into the playoff.
I’m sorry hear I am mad about the way OU played, or didn’t play. And what do I read? http://newsok.com/ou-football-notebook-tcu-coach-gary-patterson-accuses-baker-mayfield-of-stealing-signals/article/5348702 If this is true, what a bitch Patterson is and I lost respect for him along with Boykin. Really, is it because Cumbie, was TT’s OC last season and now he is with TCU? So by that logic, I guess A&M beat OU because Sumlin was at OU, If Cumbie doesn’t have the brains to mix up his signals or do something different than his time at taco tech, then yeah people will recognize his calls. I guess TT is going to steal his signals when they play this year as well.
He accused us of it at halftime. It was mentioned on TV. He said they needed to fix it in the second half.
Well, TCU scored 24 in the first half, when we had their signs, and they only scored 7 in the second half after he’d fixed it, so maybe he shouldn’t have fixed it.
Obviously we stole their signals we did very well at knowing exactly what they were running.
When I was watching, and you could tell Knight was off, way off, couldn’t do anything to help other than handoff to Perine. Why not put in Cody Thomas for a series or 2? Knight was unable to complete simple passes and it looked liked he was just lost mixed in with confusion. I was thinking surely Thomas could complete a pass or two which was more than what Knight was doing.
Also I was watching Boykin, and couldn’t help but think…this is what our QB is suppose to look like.
You’re right about Boykin. I had the same thoughts. Boykin’s passing was sharp. Easy when WR’s are getting open.
Still waiting for our Boykin… Really is crazy how we still compete so well with mediocrity at qb. There are exceptions (Sugar Bowl), but it is not good to watch all these other schools have qbs who can run and throw. And they actually do run and throw.
Gimme JC Watts for cryin out loud!
I’ve posted this elsewhere but though I might as well do so here. When you are getting outplayed in the first half of your big games on a consistent basis by teams that have inferior personnel, your game-planning has to come into question. In the last three games that has effectively been the case and defensive adjustments have helped in the second half. Better to do your homework and anticipate what the opponent will try to do BEFORE game day. Not so easy you say? Well opposing coaches are doing a pretty good job of it.
As far as offense goes, I’m not sure they even have a plan.
Sometimes I wonder if Heupel tries to eat soup with chop sticks.
Jordan… Well thought out & well written article.
I would also add the lack of using the TE. Granted, Blake had a couple of catches and a bogus interference called against him, but I’m talking TE seams over the lb’s or settle in the zones in the middle of the field.
For the past 3 years, we keep hearing about how the offense is going to use the TE.
Right, we use our TE as the H-back….. 100% dead give away for a run.
Josh studied under Leach, has Leach ever recruited or used a TE in his offense? Name one.?!
That’s my rant…
Not that he used him But Leach would have actually recruited Amaro.
If Josh studied under Leech he must have flunked.
Well, let’s move on to next week…does deep frying kill the Ebola?
I’m thinking probably yes.
I was depressed. Now I’m hungry and depressed.
If I was going to go with a young QB, then I would make darn sure his coach was down on the field and not in the press box. I think JH being in the box has adversely impacted TK’s development. And, when does Norvell start to get some heat for not developing the WR group. Finally, it’s odd to me to have co-coordinators on the O that know nothing about a power running game. Bummer
Wonder how Bedenbough (not sure spelled correctly) would call plays? Maybe demote Norvell and Heup back to position coaches, and let the ole O’line coach run power football. Just a thought. he sure has coached up our lineman well, and toughened em up a bit…
Why in the hell is Bell split out wide running down the field routes? He can’t get any separation and isn’t ever open. Put Quick or someone else in there
If McNamara and ijalana are better at TE then they need to play them. I realize they’re doing bell a solid for staying but they aren’t exactly helping him out right now.
I think Bell is the recipient of “love” from stoops.
He might have just benefited from Being a Senior QB with a ton of experience too, if we just would have let him play it. I mean, the whole point of moving to TK was the zone read, which obviously, the coaches dont actually feel comfortable running with him. Bell is more suited to excel at QB with what coaches have been showing with the offense thus far…
I love what Bell has done for the team but with the limited experience, I too am baffled how McNamara cannot get in the lineup on passing downs. Are the kids hands made of concrete? I like Bell better at QB and feel he needs to go back so that we have the depth, running a 2 QB system if need be. Bell is the better passer so if Heuple is going to run a piston w/o a read option, and run the ball with Perine and Ford, put Bell in so there is a pass threat. Otherwise, just run the offense OU used down the stretch with true ZR option and Knight throwing on the move. Worked last year.
Well, I am not much of a 2 QB system guy, I kind of despise it, lol. But I see what you mean totally. Unfortunately, I’m thinking any change at this point back to Bell (barring injury) would just be clumsy and not effective. I think the coaches may just have dropped the ball on this one, by not using this EXACT same offense (fake zone read), with Bell staying at QB from beginning. Hell, at worst, would have just given Knight another year to learn the system… But again, Coaches are not putting Knight in best chance to succeed scenarios much.
Ordinarily, I hate it too. But it seems obvious that the staff is scared to death of TK getting injured and Cody having to play. W/O any reliable backup, just seems we know what Bell can do and he can be successful and has the experience. It isn’t going to happen and it’s why I am not a coach at any level. LoL
Have to agree with this. Separation does seem to be a problem. Maybe we go back to the 4 wides? Of course, it would limit our ability to be as multiple, but I guess it doesn’t matter being multiple if we don’t throw to the TE.
Four wide would be three more than TK looks at.
Unfortuantely you are correct…
Haven’t had a qb with the ability to go through progressions since Sam.
We have made the qbs look better by having some athletes who make up for it… aka Broyles, Saunders, Shep…
Total radar lock on when it’s 3rd down…
I brought this up last night. I don’t mind him being in there on running plays, or short distance pass plays. But on 3rd and 15? Come on. If you are serious at all about picking that up, Bell can’t be a route runner on that play.
I heard Coach Heupel mention that TCU didn’t do what he thought they would do. I am completely appalled at this and quite frankly I have lost a lot of respect for Patterson and TCU. This is totally appalling and cannot be allowed to continue. What if every coach in the Big12 takes that approach? I think TCU was trying to obtain a competitive advantage! I can see Fexas trying this again next week. Now the TCU fans will probably say that we were using Baker to determine how they were going to run their plays and that we were trying to gain a competitive advantage. That is ridiculous, all you have to do is watch the game tape and see that we gained no advantage while on the other hand their not doing what we expected them to do was huge. TCU needs to take the moral high ground on this issue and there is only one thing they can do to make amends for this unsportsmanlike conduct. TCU should forfeit this game immediately!
Thanks for the levity
So much talent on this team and we don’t know how to use it.
You say “we”, but you mean “He(uple)”…
Like taking filet mignon and makin meatloaf
I find it hard to believe that McNamara and/or Ijalana aren’t faster, better route runners, more fluid and fast athletes, and just as serviceable in blocking as Blake Bell (IMO as a former o-lineman, blake uses his body to get in the way more so than trying to use proper technique). Blake might be getting the opportunity because he stayed and chose to switch to the position but he doesn’t bring much to the table beside intangibles at that position. Thoughts?
I am still baffled about how it’s 4th or 3rd and one, and our QB hasn’t gone under center and just done the old QB sneak. We have this amazing behemoths at line, why not just get under center and hit the gap or get behind a lineman. But instead we get in shotgun formation and hand off to the tailback 7 yards deep. I am not saying everytime but mix it up!
Under center is vastly underrated. I’d say the pistol pressures an LB a little more if you’ve got a good running QB that is running a lot but good ol under center has that downhill momentum and the ball hidden and handed off closer to the LOS.
totally agree….but at some point id hope we would be able to be under center and fall fwd for a foot. with the OLine we have
Perine already falls forward damn near EVERY run, literally. Imagine if he got a downhill start….?
I think you can play much faster under center too. Much faster than this “check with me” pistol crap anyway.. And speed and power are what we are supposed to be about this year.
He doesn’t know how, which is a failure of coaching.
In a game like this where we struggle to gain any sort of momentum, has Josh forgotten what helped propel his 2000-2001 natl championship team? Maybe a play caller with an imagination who isn’t so predictable, how about a hook and later late in the 4th, or a shovel pass like the Ronoldo Works plays of old. This was huge for JH when he was QB. Maybe TK fakes the hand off to Perine on 4th and 1 only to roll out and possibly walks into the endzone. My point, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE SO DAGGUM PREDICTABLE, JOSH, CAN WE ATLEAST FAKE OUR PREDICTABILITY SOMETIME, YOU KNOW JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT. -BOOMER SOONER TEXAS SUCKS
In a game like this where we struggle to gain any sort of momentum, has Josh forgotten what helped propel his 2000-2001 natl championship team? Maybe a play caller with an imagination who isn’t so predictable, how about a hook and later late in the 4th, or a shovel pass like the Ronoldo Works plays of old. This was huge for JH when he was QB. Maybe TK fakes the hand off to Perine on 4th and 1 only to roll out and possibly walks into the endzone. My point, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE SO DAGGUM PREDICTABLE, JOSH, CAN WE ATLEAST FAKE OUR PREDICTABILITY SOMETIME, YOU KNOW JUST FOR THE HECK OF IT. -BOOMER SOONER TEXAS SUCKS
It looked like Trevor Knight had his mind on Katy Perry and Josh Huepel had his mind on the Kansas job.
After yesterday, I don’t think Kansas has their mind on Josh.
Preach on preacher
“Preacher man said its the end of times and the Mississippi river she’s a goin dry”
In short yardage we need to have a wildcat, not belldozer…
with Perine, Rip, Flowers, and Jordan Philips
On second thought all we need is Kejuan Jones
BOOMER!
No wildcat. Diamond, or I, or freaking wishbone even, lol. No wildcat please. imho
Well, if the qb is a run threat, I’ll take the ‘bone
But, TK is not a run threat in short yardage imo
Hell yes!
Just seems like we could even get Grissom out there. He played TE and he can get nasty.
Ross to me seems like the perfect I-formation fullback. He hits hole so damn hard, and loves to run over people, make him a lead blocker. Then, 5 times a game, try a quick FB handoff.
1yd gain, 2 yd gain, 1 yd gain, 50 yd td, 75 yd td. Thats how I imaging that working anyway. lol
Slot. Like a wingback.
Guy has hands, great speed and if given the space, could be devastating. Have thought about that one as well.
Add on end arounds and those silly little fakes off those that seem to work for EVERYbody else. Love it
What happened to flowers? He came on pretty well the first two games, now it seems as if he struggles to get snaps, and most are for just blocking.
Same thing that happened to Millard and finch for 3 years. And probably the same thing that will happen to quick
We need a new OC. I’ve been saying it for the last few years. Look at the great improvement we’ve had where we have new coaches.
I keep trying to make myself stop fantasizing about how of the 4 problems this team has, 3 of the answers are standing and watching: a QB who would at least be a viable backup in Mayfield, an nfl type WR, DGB, and more depth and speed at the RB, Mixon. Shannon would help, too, but more in need of another CB. What might have been and if these guys come back next year, what might be.
I’ll say it…what will be is Heuple misusing them. He’ll somehow find a way to make DGB look average.
Haha. Hey man. Can you snap?
Anyone watching the Denver vs Arizona game? Tony Jefferson (Safety, Cards) is having a pretty good game, and just delivered a massive hit to Ronnie Hillman in the backfield…Then though, Manning noticed he was lined up man on Julius Thomas. It was no contest. TD Thomas. I felt bad for Jefferson, terrible matchup for him one on one. But, T. Jeff havin a good game overall…
I’ve said this on another fansite, but it seems to fit here as well…
Steps in my personal Meltdown*:
1) Sooners screw the pooch.
2) a. I gesture maniacally & scream useless advice/insults at the
screen in a vain attempt to change the course of an activity I cannot
possibly influence, or
b. I walk out of the room in disgust, throw myself dramatically on the bed and start reading a book. When dear husband was alive, I’d studiously avoid all the “I’m above the lunacy” smirks of that loveable goofball, who’d helpfully inform me for the
gazillionth time in three decades that “Sports are barbaric”. Whereas I’d
hit the SOB in the tenderest spot within reach. Beloved arse.
3) I furtively check the various Sooner football fansites to see the degree of
pissed/heartbreak/shock/off-the-bandwagon body thumps/resignation/troll
drool. Hey, misery loves company, amirite? I read a bit, then shake my head and shake off what’s left of my melancholy.
4) I spend a few moments considering how much I love my Sooners and
reminding myself that my boys came back unharmed from war zones, and
that in the scheme of Big and Little, one in the L column doesn’t rate
nearly as high as I might think.
5) I arrive at the State of Meh and I resume my life.
6) Above actions shall not take longer than 6 hours.
MEH. I’ll leave the dissection of who/what/where/why/how to y’all. I’m
sure if it can be fixed by people outside the program, the Brainiac fambly are the
ones most capable of pulling it off. I mean that. Y’all know your stuff, and hopefully someone’s listening. They should be.
*Disclaimer: Exceptions were the NC game people refer to as TGOWWDNS and
inexplicably the 2009 loss to Texas. The former made me cry for hours
and the latter I sorrowfully got ****faced and had to be put to bed.
You’d think the reactions would’ve been reversed, but WTH, I had a
brainfart.
This is hilarious! Good stuff
….occupation involved writing?………..english professor?………..enjoyed communication via handwritten letters during life?
You had me at #2!
I’m with you on the disappointment. I feel like I just found out that my wife has been cheating on me for months and everyone knew but me…So I guess it’s a mix of feeling like an idiot, and being disappointed.
When you’re feelin like an idiot, just do like I do and remember that its not you its everybody else
LOL! It may be hard for me to believe, when I’m the one laying face down in the front yard!
One minor thing that irritates me is that Shepard is still fielding punts. He’s a great WR, but he hasn’t shown a lot this year as a punt returner. Give Ross a chance. He hasn’t been much in the backfield but he’s been great when he can return kickoffs. Let him try to field some punts too. It has to be better than just watching Shepard fair catch.
Especially since he’s just calling fair catches. We had no chance to flip field position on punts yesterday
Meh.
We still get where we want to be if we win out. Frankly, I’m more worried about Texas than any other game. If we can find a way to score next week, we’ll run the table.
Time to get our chins out of our chests, stop blaming each other, and go win a football game.
I drove home after the 23-3 Kansas debacle thinking the world had come to an end. Joe Washington saved us in Mizzou the next week and we ended up winning the Nattie.
No reason we can’t do that again…unless we give up. I don’t think there are many quitters in this crowd.
Amen. Ready for Bob’s presser tomorrow and a new tone for Tejas.
I was sitting in the north end zone and got a very good look at the first of many fumbles that day. Our running back was taking it in for the score and just dropped it. Remember the team getting boo’ed that day by everyone except the student section. Not a good day to remember.
That fumble started the flood. It would have been 10-0 and I’m sure we would have hung half a hundred on them. He was smacked right at the goal line. I mean inches would have made the difference.
I don’t think we get to where we want to be by winning out. I think we get to be the first team left out of the playoff.
We need help.
The Big XII is not particularly respected nationwide. Having three strong teams and Colorado leave the Big XII has hurt our reputation.
Not having a championship game at the end is a killer where other conferences will get credit for a good win, we won’t.
How shitty would it be to be a one loss team and get left out for a two loss SEC West team??
Jordan, got a question. On the fourth and two, did the full back go the wrong way? It was Bell I think but maybe Rip, but he went left. Shouldn’t he have ran up the middle to seal the LB? Looks to me had he led Perine in the hole and seals the Mike then Perine is running down hill in the secondary. I may have it wrong and can’t find the play (no I don’t have DVR) but I would love to see one of you guys break it down.
Stoops said on his coaches show this evening that the O line blocked it wrong.
Wow, to that i would reply “Gee Bob. . . ya think!”
When Ford got hurt it seems like they weren’t sure what to do then. I think Knight relies on Shep too much and always looks to him (ala Jones to Broyles) If they look at this game and realize the problems we have and correct them for the rest of the year then we can be that team we all thought they could. Very frustrated to see this team do what they did yesterday.
My feeling is that Trevor just has no confidence in any receiver other than Shepherd. Could absolutely be wrong on this.
Knight + Shep = Jones + Broyles
Seems like our QBs aren’t very good at going through progressions
We have no offensive philosophy, our play book must be larger than the healthcare law. Josh seems to turn to page 103,543 and doesn’t leave it. What kinda offense would you say we have other than scatter shot.
……..from LT where there’s a thread for naming the offense and calling plays
…..http://i.imgur.com/KYSp4Jr.jpg
Every year it’s a loss right after a bye week in a game they should not have lost. It’s getting old.
I’m not sure what to think about Josh. He has to know that TK is struggling with the pass. Even deep balls are rarely on the money. Kevin Wilson used to get stubborn like this(see aTm a few years ago) Getting a guy in who can stretch the field is everything. See Ross and Quick. PUT ROSS IN THE SLOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you’re going to burn a redshirt, get the guy on the dang field!!
How many redshirts have been burnt so far, Mead, Quick and Flowers? Next my guess is Justice and Andrews maybe.
Not only does heupel become predictable at times calling plays, but it looks more and more each week that trevor’s game against bama was an aberration. He misfires way too often, just throwing it up and hoping for the best. And yes, the “hurry up and wait” offense is ridiculous and must be ditched.
I’m gonna call bs on this statement “The playcalling has got nothing to do with it”.
I agree JJsooner1, bad play calling and bad qb play have been overlooked due to inferior opponents, at least in my view.
WE are built to be a running team. You cannot do that exclusively out of the pistol. The RBs are never getting the ball at full speed. or even half speed We need TK to learn to be under center. The fact that he clearly doesn’t know how is the fault of the coaching staff and mainly Bob Stoops.
I nominate this as the POST OF THE YEAR!!! Thank you Mr. Esco
Two things.
1. What happened to Flowers!!!?
2. How come Jordan doesn’t have a cartoon picture at the top of the page like the other Braniacs?
I was texting some people during the game, and anyone who got a text during the game got 2 messages….
1) Why is Alex Ross in the game to start and why ware we trying to run him like Samaje?
2) 8-9 in the box.
So Jordan I fully agree with you. I sat with a flashback to Baylor of last year. Obviously we had more success but we still ran at the teeth of the defense on many occasions. Towards the numbers instead of away from them. I am obviously no D1 coordinator, but I have always been suspect about Josh Heupel and even watching the game live, I can’t help but jump up and yell at where the weakness is in the defense, but we always try to hit the strengths.
Samaje is not slow, I hear everyone saying he is, and he may not be as fast as Ross, but he can move and he is a semi truck full of lumber when he gets rolling, get him on the outside occasionally, make them at the very least, dedicate a linebacker to spy or contain him. Or use Ross in that capacity, Ross is a One-cut back in my opinion, he can slash and get up field in a hurry, why they send him up the middle, I mean, I can’t even think of a reason. They try to run him like Ford or Samaje, but he isn’t that kind of back.
Just like they try to play Trevor like Sam Bradford when he isn’t that kind of QB. Just like they try to play striker like a cover LB when that isn’t what kind of player he is.
So IMHO, which may not be worth much, there are two VERY BIG philosophical problems at OU with their coaching staff.
1) We do not play to our players strengths. I bought in on the switch to 3-4 scheme, made sense and seemed we were putting our players in the best position to make plays and be successful, I think our defense was good, but it could be extraordinary, it is just oozing with talent. We just have to unleash it. Watch the Sugar Bowl and then watch saturday’s game, Trevor is better outside the pocket. Do I wish we had Sam Bradford in the backfield (healthy of course), you bet, but we don’t, we have Trevor Knight. Play him and all the others to their strengths.
2) Our playcalling is terrible, which I would chalk up to part of the above and as Jordan illustrated so well, we have 0 identity, and we just try to root ourselves in some type of play, or the pass or the run, etc.