Open Post | Wednesday, Jan. 27th (UPDATE 4:18 pm)
Posted on: January 27, 2016
– Brandon Bowen: As much as Brandon Bowen enjoyed his OU visit, it sounds like he and the Sooners have actually parted ways. I get the sense OU felt like while Bowen and his family really did enjoy their trip to Norman, it didn’t feel as though a flip was likely to happen. Also the Sooners are in a much better position overall with Mark Jackson (Cibolo, TX), and the word is that some of Oklahoma’s competitors were attempting to use the Bowen visit against them with Jackson. – (Brandon)
– Zach Farrar: Last night the Sooners did an in-home visit with recent 2016 WR offer and Mississippi State commit, Zach Farrar.
https://twitter.com/ZachFarrar3/status/692159652071632897
Following the visit, Farrar confirmed to TFB that he will be taking an official visit to Oklahoma this coming weekend. Farrar has referred to OU as his “dream school” and the Sooners have been recruiting him for quite a while (even though the offer was made just recently).
Farrar is also pretty adamant about wanting a chance to play baseball in college, so that will likely be the lone potential sticking point. It sounds like the Sooners are going to want him to focus on football, for at least his first year. – (Brandon)
– Chris Black: Speaking of wide receivers, there had been some chatter on the interwebs about OU possibly adding another grad-transfer WR in Alabama’s Chris Black. So we reached out to Black to see if there was any interest or communication between him and OU. Black said there has not been any talk with OU, and let me know he will be deciding between two or three schools, namely South Carolina, Florida and Missouri. – (Brandon)
– Caleb Kelly: This one is going to come down to the end. It will be a fight between Oklahoma and Notre Dame. The bottom line here is do not be surprised if he picks the Sooners or the Irish. – (Super K)
– Jauan Williams: Last week, 2016 OT Jauan Williams confirmed he will be taking an official visit to Oklahoma this weekend. We’ve checked with him to see if the visit is still on but have not yet heard back. We asked around and we were told it’s something the Sooners are still working on setting up, so hopefully we will be able to get some confirmation one way or another in the next day or two. Bob Stoops planned visiting Williams earlier this week, but with the weather issues in that part of the country the visit did not happen. – (Super K)
– Chris Daniels: Daniels’ father let me know the Texas in-home visit last night went as well as it could have. I’ve been maintaining over the past week that I feel like Texas has a slight lead here, but the in-home visits will ultimately decide things.
OU’s Diron Reynolds is expected to do his in-home visit with Daniels tonight. And while Texas seems to be sitting in a good spot with Daniels after their in-home visit, we should hopefully know more about where OU stands after they make their pitch tonight.
I will note that Oklahoma’s lack of a presence in Texas, in terms of commits, certainly isn’t helping their cause right now. Daniels has a number of Texas commits/leans that are encouraging him to stay closer to home, meanwhile the Sooners don’t have those same voices supporting their cause.
Having said that, the Daniels have an immense amount of respect for Coach Reynolds and his ability to develop talent. – (Super K)
– UPDATE (4:18 pm): Bob Stoops with 2016 DE/LB Maxs Tupai & family.
Got the pleasure to meet Coach Stoops today and see Coach @OU_CoachKish again. Got to say loved the meeting #Boomer pic.twitter.com/8IvMBISmDD
— DeannaTupai (@DeannaTupai) January 27, 2016
801 Comments
First!!!
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Bless your heart.
wrong board
the kelly news sucks, the daniels news sucks, hope we do something to close these guys.
As I’ve been saying on here for weeks, Kelly’s mom is really pushing him to ND.
Well that’s just stupid.
Why is it stupid?
Because I said so
lol, ok. I’m sorry this is so depressing for you. ND is a top end academic school with a great football program so any sensible parent would love their kid to go there. Not saying its better or worse than OU, just makes complete sense for a parent to want their child to attend.
K, Any news on T. Moore? Haven’t heard much lately. Thanks!
Not much has changed that I’m aware. Still believed to be an OU lean, still not all that likely to qualify.
Sounds like a JUCO lean :[
Dang – Not much good news to share, huh?
I need a Boom or else I’m going postal worker on some Krispy Kreme doughnuts laying around the office.
Postal… As in eat them all up? Or even worse, start putting them in UPS boxes and shipping them out of the office?
You can never go wrong with a Krispy Kreme
Murdock is that you!
Funny that Daniels lives closer to Norman than Austin…
Don’t confuse whorns with facts.
For what it is worth, all the 247 folks, even the ND guy, seem to think Kelly is going to OU.
This is why I’m cautiously optimistic.
But I won’t be shocked if he chooses ND. He seems like a mature kid, and mature 18 year olds think long-term (as they should). That’s prob why ND is gaining so much ground
Im not optimistic on Kelly right now. While 247 might have a broader spectrum on recruits Id be surprised if they have the inside sources that TFB does on OUs specific recruits.
The late in-home w/the ND HC is what would make me worry. ND loves to tout their prestige and Rudy posters. He’s a big part of this class if he signs w/OU.
If ND insiders are picking Kelly to OU (like Tom Loy did recently and Wiltfong, who’s usually spot on), then I’m cautiously optimistic.
Don’t forget Kelly has a great relationship with the OU coaches and several players.
Those factors are why I’m cautiously optimistic, but won’t be surprised if he goes to South Bend.
Kelly has even a bigger relationship with his mom and if shes all ND we’re in trouble.
50/50 – means tossup. So K is saying
that there’s no reason for all of us to be disappointed I guess.
BOOMERRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SOONER!
Sounds like K is trying to prepare all of us for Kelly to go north and Daniels to stay south.
Good thing K started that UTerus board so he could have something positive to post every now and then.
He’ll start a Notre Dame one next.
Seriously baffled at the amount of recruiting momentum Texas has right now. You’d think they were the ones in the playoff and we went 5-7
yep
The RRR didn’t help. But ut is a cornered dog fighting for its life. I’m not sure OU is as motivated. Charlie knows it’s 10 wins or the gallows this fall.
The incoming freshmen won’t help Charlie all that much this year. In the future if he makes it that far then yes/
Pretty sure eight regular season wins would keep him around to see his first recruiting class become upperclassmen. 7-5 might, but it would depend on the performances in the losses (no big blowouts)… Less than that and ???
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Not surprised at all UT is pulling out all the stops to get top Texas talent.
Like accusing Bob of having some “race issues”?
Plus the fact that they seriously SUCK!!
Wont happen in 2017 class , OU takeover.
YEP…NSD might become National Sobbing Day if we strike out on some of the remaining prospects we had our hopes up for.
Definitely prepping you for the possibility. Not sure how it’s going to play out but it wouldn’t surprise me at all
Whats the news with Max Tupai ? that kid with Jackson over DeBerry . would be freaking nuts!!! Tupai is a very versatile kid we need kids like him who can play all of the place.
Depends on the visit, of course, but seems somewhat unlikely they pull him away from home/Utah, IMO.
Norman rhymes with Mormon. For what it’s worth…
I like someone who can think clearly
OU has 16 guys coming back on the Dline. I can see why Daniels would want to look elsewhere. OU has a lot of returning WR’s as well. Maybe another reason top rated WR’s are looking elsewhere. DB’s and LB’s were the biggest needs. They have addressed those spots.
I think most recruits see the WR position as a huge opportunity. Westbrook is the only player coming back with consistent production. All the other positions are up for grabs. Numbers returning doesn’t always equate to limited opportunities.
As for why we’re not getting more WR talent in … bigger problem than a positional issue, but I don’t think #s of WRs returning is reason.
It’s crazy that a month ago OU looked like they were in prime position to have Kelly, Daniels and Velus join the program. Now there’s a good chance we won’t get any of them. If you want to win, come to Norman… share the word!
Does it count if you had 2 temporarily? Ha
That makes it even more turrible! (Charles Barkley voice)
I hear all kinds of different things- there is no solid evidence that Kelly is leaning toward ND. We have had some good contact w/ Stephon Taylor DT out of La. We have also stayed in the thick of it w/ Daniels. I doubt seriously if “Texas recruits” have a lot of influence with other kids from Texas who live hundreds of miles away. We have several top Texas players verbaled and on our Roster. Usually best friends don’t even insist on going to the same schools and usually make their own decisions.
I know that 2017 recruiting has started out well but for the life of me I can’t believe that OUs amazing run to the playoffs seems to have not helped 2016 recruiting one IOTA.
Its amazing the amount of negative hits we seem to be taking.
that 2017 class could totally fall apart as well.
What gives you any indication that 2017 class “could totally fall apart”?
Most believe it’s the year after you make the playoff that a program sees dividends. I expect 2017 to be a monster recruiting class
Don’t feed the trolls.
Maybe because he sees this class falling apart when it at one time was full of hope?
I’m just stating the possibles, not trolling.
I think OU recruiting is going very, very well. NSD hasn’t come yet. seems to me we are in on a bunch of great prospects and hvae great ones committed.
Hope Tupai & Mark Jackson have a great OV this weekend. Both look like difference makers
need to pony up $$$. ole pi$$ style.
Having a crappy day at work and I take a peek on here and it’s like your best friend is giving you the heads up that your girlfriend is going to break up with you. Can Feb 3rd get here any Sooner.
I know exactly what you mean lol
even though your best friend may have gotten the information from you worst enemy’s best friend, who had a friend speak “directly” to her about your worst enemy and heard her say nice things about your worst enemy, but said nice things about you, too, when someone asked her about you. You won’t know for sure on some girls until the day of the dance.
I’ve thought about not checking this website until signing day to keep my mind right. But like crack, I come and get my fix. I’m so weak. ???
a problem many have but won’t admit (including myself). It really would be best if some didn’t follow recruiting, though. I don’t think they have the personality for recruiting nor do they understand it.
I vote that we pay extra to TFB if they only give us good news.
Might get awfully quiet sometimes.
I could use the sleep.
I’ll double my annual subscription fee if they’ll install a sunshine pump. Like this one
Wish my best for Kelly, the kid has been nothing but class. Will love to get him in the crimson and cream, but even w/o he has a big FAN in me rooting for him to do great.
If he’s not with us then he’s against us IMO
He’s. Not. Gone. Yet. Until he doesn’t send in a letter next Wednesday NOBODY knows anything for sure. Maybe not even the kid himself.
I may be disappointed if he choses ND but not feel like a total loss, because he never committed. But that being said, come one Kelly! BOOMER SOONER!
just gotta hope for the best baffles me kids want to play for texas with the track record of suckiness these past few years
To me if we don’t reel in Caleb Kelly there’s a serious problem. He’s been all OU since day 1. Michigan was our biggest competition and now it’s ND. Not that those are bad programs because they aren’t. We have 3 spots open at LB and every single analyst had us picked all along. Not to mention we made the playoff. If he picks ND somebody needs their butt fired.
http://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg
Jordan, who should get fired?
Well its gotta be Kish, right? /s
Kish has already given them the knife. He’s ready to be sacrificed.
If they don’t land Kelly?
I’d say Kish, regardless. But if it’s Kelly specific, it’d be largely on M.Stoops. He & Viney have run point on this one.
Negative recruiting the competition can be even more effective than positive recruiting your own program. I have no doubt that ND is all over that.
Brian Kelly is a huge doucher
Easy, chief. He will choke you out for a comment like that.
Too me, he and Gary Patterson are twins, and both look like they’re on the brink of and capable of choking the &*$# outa someone at any moment.
Very similar for sure. No thank ya.
Look a little on the chubby side to me; either might choke on a sammich though.
LMAO
If BS left I would love to have either.
One loses his mind while the other loses his voice. “I’m having a hard time expressing myself, right now.”
They have Leprechaun Jesus on their side, the biggest troll of them all!
Maybe I’m off here but I can’t see how taking two juco LB’s helps any with this cause.
I think the coaches took 2 because they know where we really stand with the hs kids.
Well we lost 4 seniors so taking 2 juco is not a bad idea.
When Dom left they needed one more ready to play. I think they took two figuring one has to work out.
Somebody needs to be fired! Really?? Geez! That’s plain stupid! If he picks ND, it won’t be through any fault of our coach, it won’t be because of negative recruiting by ND or anything else within our control. It will be because oh his mama. She has stated publicly that ND is her dream school for Caleb. She was blown away by their academics and has made it very clear that Notre Dame is where she wants Caleb to go.
Football is played by more than one person. It’s OK. OU is not going into oblivion if we don’t get Caleb.
And if a player decides to play somewhere else than OU, then that is not necessarily indicative of a serious problem on the part of the OU coaches.
If I had any modicum of talent back in the day, then I would not have ever played for the following programs, regardless of the national titles they claim to have won:
Notre Dame
Texas
Alabama (“Gumps”)
Auburn (“Barn”)
Florida
Miami
Savannah St.
Bingo!
easy to say until you actually have the opportunity. You’d be surprised where you’d go if you could go anywhere you wanted.
I disagree.
Most people can’t control what their kids do. We can’t let this consume us. Last year most people were acting suicidal. We don’t have any idea what tactics other programs are using to get kids, i.e., Michigan. I don’t know a thing about Coach Kelly. But my instincts tells me he will do anything to win.
So, no one needs to lose their job if we don’t get Caleb Kelly. We need to find the next kid. Plain and simple.
Some people tend focus on the current class and forget that OU got that must-have kid from the year before. Why can’t some people remain calm and be patient?
Sam its very difficult,but i will try.
Whoa, calm down!
Okay: I’m going to go ahead and ship that parachute to you, today. But remember, this is an early Christmas present.
Take a deep breath. Hold it for 2 seconds. Relax. Let out the breath. Then slam another shot of tequila. There ya go. Or you could go with option two, which is my fix-all for everything> Get a bucket of water, put your head in three times and pull it out twice. There ya go, no more worries. 🙂
Excellent advice. Metzker, do this now!
Lol
Metz, if Golf’s ultimate solution is to drastic, I offer this:
That will work.
I’m not going to call for someone to be fired every time a seventeen year old makes what I consider a bad decision. If I did I have a couple of kids that would have caused everyone on the planet to be out of a job.
So, true.
My instincts don’t tell me that kelly will do anything to win. I think he’s a tremendous coach who probably does things cleanly. I think ND tries to run a clean program, although I dislike them sports-wise next to UT. I get the same feeling about strong. I think he’s one to run a clean program. same with stoops
Wow, if that’s the case then every coaching staff in the country would have had to fire someone for this. You think he would be the first high end player who was considered a lock most of the year to flip at the end? C’mon now.
I agree. Caleb Kelly should do what’s best for him and his family. That doesn’t mean coaches should be fired.
People need to step off the ledge and let the process play out. OU still has an in-home I believe in the next couple days
If we lose Caleb and someone needs to be fired I would suggest you resign as a fan instead.
It doesn’t have to be anybody in particular just the first person that crossed my path would suffice. Me not being a fan will never happen so there’s that.
I can appreciate your comeback reply.
woah there, buddy, slow down. it’s that time of year when fans get a little edgy.
I’ve “HEARD” it mentioned that Caleb Kelly’s Mom is a Notre Dame lean.
Caleb is supposed to have OU tattooed in his heart…
Thus, in the wise word’s of Henry Winkler, I say to Mr. Kelly:
No stress here. We’ll do well regardless due to our staff and talent level already here. There have been so many years when we make a late push. How you finish….how you finish.
Rivals has us at #30 right now and Baylor at #10. Would you have taken that bet 10 years ago?
Not even if I had a back to the future almanac.
OU won the Big “10” and was in the National Playoff this past season. Baylor didn’t and wasn’t. The end.
Close out strong boys
i need to just log off until nsd i feel like im bout to lose it
Recharge your ring!
All our top targets will sign with OU. Have a good day.
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I hope you are correct.
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Thanks KJ for the being POSITIVE – this OP was getting to be a dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwner.
it’s that time of year
funny how realism on this site is considered being a “downer”
Always thought you were a guy, KJ. Thanks for clearing that up for us…
Haha Im literally trying to dance like that….I think I need to drink more like Dook said
HAHA
I love the positive attitude and I share the optimistic attitude as well but is this just pumping sunshine into a downer day or are you hearing good things behind the scenes from your trusted sources!
There is nothing better than a young female OU fan doin’ the happy dance.
A shorter skirt would have been more appropriate .
I’m much too (ahem, ahem, cough, cough) MATURE to be wishing for a fabric challenged skirt, but I always, always, always loved to watch the cheerleaders!
You may be old, but you aren’t dead! It’s always good to look at the menu, as long as you don’t order. If you order, your wife may do things to you that the doctors will have no clue how to fix.
“Wife MAY”….., that woman is beautiful, kind hearted, loved and blessed person, BUT, she packs heat, practices at the range faithfully, and does not take crap from the man in her life. That is a certainty!
She sounds just like my wife. LOL! First time I took my wife to the range she was a bit nervous and put the first five shots dead on in the groin of the target. I told her she was doing just fine. Now she is a great shot! Has a tight grouping on a pistol from about 25 yards. Really impressive for someone who did not start shooting until she was above 40.
Being unattached, I can say that I’ve always found women who are proficient with firearms to be very attractive. I don’t have a type, or any specific characteristics that are a must for a potential life mate, other than she should love guns as much as I do.
You should check out Dan Bilzerians instagram then. 🙂
I will do that in a bit (I have to act like im working a bit). I am always game to see girls with guns!
My wife hated it when I would take the boys hunting. She did not want the guns in the house. Yadda yadda yadda. Here Dad had guns, but she was never around them. Once I brought her to the farm and started teaching her about them, she became interested. Now she loves to go shoot.
I know they can be taught…some of ’em anyway. But I figure if I start out with one that already is conditioned, I can put more energy into othrr aspects.
Very true. My wife and I were very good friends before we started dating, then I when I wanted to take the boys hunting she thought oh great a girls weekend for her and our daughter. Then it was like, you are buying them shot guns? Then our youngest got on to a team at school that shot skeet for competition and he was really good. I think then she realized that it was all ok. Her Dad used to tell her to lighten up too.
yeah, my ex enjoyed it as well–as long as I was down range changing targets.
My wife is a better shot with her 9MM that I am. But, worse than that, we are about the same with my 45. She has no problems reminding me.
Lmao nice Rick.
Yep, mine always lays out a better grouping than I do. Helps keep me in line.
I still can’t get past Austin Kendall, he was what looking to be reshirted, 4 guys in front of him with experience in the program. With Mayfield, Knight and Thomas, let alone with McGunnis as a walk on. and BAM…..a month later. He looks like he is going up on line to #2 spot unless, Walk on Conner McGunnis really shows he has potential.
We’re already RB U LB U OL U we might as well add Walk on U to our resume.
Ouch.
lol@ ouch ( I didnt mean it that way but funny! )
I knew you would catch that.
How crazy would that be if a program with the history and tradition of OU had 2 walk-ons for their #1 & #2 QBs going into fall! Mayfield isn’t your typical walk-on but still it would be crazy!
It would be like…like…like Josh never left. :-/
Naw, that would be having two superior players that were walkons, but continuing to play the third best because you gave him a scholly.
Happens in the pros, not surprised it happens in college. People leave and then say “oops”.
Yup. Look no further than THE Landry Jones, *almost* starting QB for the Steelers
If Landry could’ve shown more I guarantee the Steelers would’ve sat Rothlisberger in favor. He had an opportunity, I just don’t think he’s an NFL caliber #1. I always thought he could do what Phillip Rivers does, but maybe not. Since he will probably end up a FA I wonder if he will continue to play or take his payday and be thankful to have played injury free.
Like the kid – fine Sooner too. I just never thought he was in that very top required to be NFL good.
Agree. I was hoping he’d get a chance to shine but hey, dude has proved many wrong already by:
a. Getting drafted
b. Starting for the Steelers, impressive in its own right
c. Winning games for the Steelers
He showed me something.
I wonder if they’ll give Kendall mop-up time early, or hope they don’t need him, keep the redshirt, and play a walk-on for mop-up?
That would be dangerous not getting your #2 any game experience. Probably depends how good Kendall looks in preseason compared to the walk-ons. My guess is he’ll play, and compete with Murray the following year.
Might be hard to get Kendall in early due to the OOC schedule. But having said that, I agree with getting him some experience before throwing him in the fire.
He could play and still RS the next year if need be.
When asked to RS after playing a year, that usually leads to kids leaving.
Same thing happened with a WVU rb a couple years back. He said he would RS, then bailed.
The only problem with that is in 2017 either he or Murray will likely be the starter, and the other the backup, with the recruit we have that year (forgetting his name) being a redshirt candidate.
Interesting to see how it all plays out. If he is ready to play, play him. If he isn’t, I hope we can find a way to redshirt him at some point.
My guess is that Cody Thomas will be back for fall practice
Your are thinking exactly right, but looking at the early schedule next year, WHERE is the game you would suppose that would offer “garbage time”. That’s a loaded OOC schedule, then we open conference with TCU. If he doesn’t get lots of reps in the spring and summer, he won’t have an opportunity other than ULM early in the season (we all hope Baker stays healthy).
I was wondering the same thing.
For what it’s worth- 247 has Jauan Williams OV on the 29th to UGA so not good for us? I’ve been following him on Twitter and it looks like it will be FSU LSU or UGA. Hopefully he will be convinced to come visit OU! This guy is special.
The thing that is keeping me optimistic about Kelly and OU is Chip Viney still being a part of this program! He has had a great relationship with those Cali kids and especially Kelly. Coach Viney gave us a tweet a couple days ago that said #justwaitonit and I’m and choosing to believe that is in regards to Kelly(and Mayden too! LOL!)
I think Kelly and Darlington made some kind of mental connection on his visit. I was reading into the exchanges knowing Darlington was a cerebral dude, that he and Kelly had clicked on a mental level. I don’t know if he’s going to sign next week with us or not, but knowing there is a good relationship between Kelly and players and coaches gives us as good a chance as any. We have some very good young talented LB’s on campus now. If he does sign, WOW. If he doesn’t, we still have very good talent here.
Wellllllll…….that sucked!
Only thing missing is Cobb is a Baylor lean. I want to feel good about Kelly until I think about Brian Kelly vs. Kish in final in-home visits. Big advantage ND! Sure wish Bob had thought this one through a little better.
It seems like we have to deal with “Mamas who don’t like us” or “parents who have ties to OU but don’t care where their kids go to school”.
That’s just part of the problem. These kids have everyone in their ear trying to influence them. Yet most of them don’t have the maturity to listen to everyone and then make their own decision nor the wisdom to make a good decision once they’ve listened. I know a lot of fifty year olds that can’t do that and yet everyone expects these seventeen year olds to do it.
Exactly. I can’t concern myself with that. Rarely are these kids given all of the information they need. “I commit to (fill in the blank.” Then, “I de-commit from (fill in the blank). That should tell us everything we need to know about how informed these kids are.
Bryce Youngquist, Chanse Sylvie and Austin Kendall are kids who know what they want. Youngquist is so committed that he canceled his visits because he knew he might get persuaded. But he gave his word and stuck to it.
Stoops understands commitment: he gave his word to Corey Wilson and the TE out of Florida with the back problem. Those kids didn’t play a down for OU because their careers ended in tragedy. Stoops promised them an education and they got it. Stoops did this when he needed that scholarship but he kept them on scholarship anyhow.
But kids don’t know about this. But they do know about how Saban, Harbaugh, Dan Mullens some other coaches have pulled kids scholarships weeks leading up to NSD. But that’s where they want to go.
I don’t understand.
Laith Harlow was that Florida kid. Anyone know what he’s up to now?
That’s correct. Thank you!
How many coaches will do that when every scholarship is so precious?
I think momma’s like the “idea” of Notre Dame. A school so closely associated with the church makes them believe there kid will be safer and maybe they don’t “party” as much, but it is all a myth. College kids are college kids wherever they go. ND and OU both have their share of knuckleheads but the vast majority of the student body is good kids on most every campus. To date myself a bit, as the Fresh Prince says “Parents just don’t understand!”
Doobie, I’ve been to that campus. That campus is beautiful and you don’t want a kid you’re recruiting to go there.
People talk about OU’s location. There’s nothing in South Bend. I was not impressed with Notre Dame once I left the campus.
I loved TCU campus and USC campus , but their was something special about OU.
I have a friend that played DIII basketball that is a huge KU fan call me a couple of years ago from the OU campus. He told me that he took my advice and took his family on a tour of the campus and that I was right. It was the most beautiful campus he had ever seen.
hey, we’ve had and still have many who come to OU b/c their parents, friends, etc. like OU too, so it works our way as just as it does against us. this is normal
That was my weak attempt at humor. I know it balances out.
sorry, I’m slow–almost normal IQ but missed it by .01%. I’ve done the same thing many times and people don’t get the humor. This last week is not a week fans can appreciate humor. They are on edge over things they shouldn’t be on edge about.
Doing some peaking around and stumbled upon a trend that can put recruiting in perspective. As mentioned above, OU doesn’t have a ton of Texas recruits on board this year. I took a gander at the top Texas prospects and saw that another school is conspicuously missing, TEXAS. Of the current Texas top 30, they currently have 2 commits. None in the top 10. They will end up with a few that flip and a couple that are currently uncommitted, don’t get me wrong, but all the momentum it appears Texas hasn’t come to fruition yet. Even if it does, they are not exactly getting all the top in state guys. Even more surprising, neither is A&M. They also only have 2 top 30 Texas guys.
That lead me to examine other states to see if it is just a Texas thing or a national trend. The results were a bit mixed but there are some surprises (all numbers are based on 247 composite ranking)
Georgia – state is loaded this year with 25 4* and up players. UGA is having a good recruiting cycle but not with the top players in their own state. They only have 1 current top 10 in-state player committed. Georgia Tech doesn’t have a single top 40 in state player committed and just 1 in the top 50.
Florida – FSU only has 1 top 10 player committed. Florida is doing a little better, but all the 5* players are leaving the state.
Virginia – every top 10 player is leaving the state and every 4* and 5* player.
North Carolina – 14 of the top 15 (all 4* and up) are leaving the state despite NC winning their side of the ACC. OU has recruited better in North Carolina than the home schools and so far than they did in Texas.
Illinois – none of the top 20 are committed in state with Swenson being the only 4* and up considering staying.
Missouri – weak year in the state but even then only 3 of the top 20 are committed to UM.
Tennessee – UT has so far only been able to keep 3 of the top 20 in state and only 2 top 10. This include 8 4* and up players.
On the flip side there were some states with the home schools doing well. To no surprise LSU, Alabama, Ohio St, and USC are all doing well with local kids. It also helps that those states are loaded with talent most years (Alabama is unusually thin this year). Every year this close to NSD I always hear the words of Pat Jones in the back of my head, the best programs always have a lot talent close by. It fluctuates from year to year (For a great example of that just look at the state of Alabama this year. A few top end guys and not much after that. By result, Alabama is well outside the top 5 and Auburn is outside the top 10) but it is typically true. Some schools have more of an advantage with loaded states nearby.
I don’t have the energy to try to and analyze it any further that that, but I do think this is telling. The state of Oklahoma is typically thin on elite talent. Texas is being picked over by so many schools it is hard to be consistent in that state, even for UT and ATM. OU has to recruit nationally to stay elite if they can’t get back in with the Texas kids.
Edit: Sorry for such a long post. Didn’t realize it would be this long as I was typing it.
good post. well done. thanks
Sorry my computer is acting funny and accidentally deleted your post. Could you please re-type it? Thanks in advance.
I will get right on that. I will have updates as well. #justwaitonit
So what you’re saying is that airplanes and the internet have made the world a lot smaller and kids aren’t as scared to leave home and actually are more prone to WANT to leave? Makes sense to me.
Thanks for the time you put into this. That’s a lot of work.
There are kids somewhere. If Bama is reaching into Texas, then there’s something in their back yard they’re leaving.
Has anyone noticed that Brian Kelly and Butch Jones both coached at Cincinnati. If they were as good at recruiting as they appear to be, why couldn’t they get it done at UC?
Now, both are at schools with big time boosters. That makes me curious.
I’m not saying it’s not happening at OU but I don’t believe it is. If it is, I can bet you Bob doesn’t know about it. Stoops learned a lesson with Bomar and boosters. I can bet you he’s told boosters to stay away if this is what they’re going to do.
Thanks for putting so much effort into that. That is really telling. Kids may want to get out away from mom and dad’s control. Kids may see a greener grass elsewhere. I think it is cyclical and this is just one of those years.
I agree with you assessment on top prospects from OK
No one in the top 100 for 2016 and 2017 but 3 in 2018 (according to 247)
Walker, Thomson and Proctor
Quick, someone with time on their hands please make a list of:
-Who is on our board
-How many spots we have open
Then everyone can relax when they realize we are in good with many more than we have spots for. The sky ain’t falling. We’ve known about Kelly, Cobb, Daniels for awhile. Why does everyone keep acting like it new news?
Nobody knows how many spots, b/c I guarantee the coaches know of a couple of guys leaving that we don’t yet know about.
Understand, but we know its not going to be a very high number. add a couple to the couple open and its still only 4 I believe.
I’d be pretty surprised if we don’t take more than 4. That may include losing somebody like Cobb too, but I’d expect 5-6 new names from where we sit today.
I can buy that for sure. and I would say we are in decent shape with enough high end guys to fill out that many.
Bowen I hear can jump….that why he wants to go to Baylor. So he can be like that other DE they had that can jump.
https://twitter.com/springtownman/status/665764089730232320
Does he quit plays like oakman too?
I don’t usually disagree with K on recruiting, but I don’t think it is nearly as 50/50 as he is making it out to be. From everything I have read (national guys, Notre Dame writers, others in the “know”) Kelly is still a heavy OU lean. It is always a possibility that he goes to ND of course, but it still looks really good for OU IMO.
Yes, National writers who aren’t close to Kelly think that, but both schools actually feel like the other school is in the lead right now, that’s how close it’s gotten.
And how do you know what either school feels. Been having lunch with Carol and Paqui?
K understands the “momma” influence can be very influential.
Very true.
Texas nativism; that’s what is killing our recruiting in the state. “Stay home and play in Texas. You’re a Texan.”
Nah. More kids than ever leave the state. If anything, it’s because we aren’t trying as hard in Texas. Plain and simple.
I will actually be a bit heartbroken if we don’t land Caleb Kelly.
I’ll be pissed. 2 top 15 LB’s were OU’s to lose about a year ago. Smith bounced once Montgomery did, so Kelly is out only hope.
On a side note. Who else thinks we should be seeking therapy for our OU football obsession?
The Mrs.!
lol my wife says I’m addicted to Sooner football. Told her OU football would never leave me, cheat on me or do me wrong and that this is why I’m loyal to my Sooners. She laughed n said good one lol
You might have added, that even after a bad day, they’ll always bounce back and make you proud.
Fear, What would be the fun in that? Besides, the therapists would probably try to talk some of us out of our imaginary friends too.
THEY’RE IMAGINARY?????????????
Just some Rick – Picking them out is the trick. 🙂
LOL!
Or just try to recruit us to their alma mater
My dentist went to Nebraska. We have some great discussions when I go see him. He misses the OU/NU game as much as I do.
Dentists can always out talk me when I go see them.
That’s because they have their hands in your mouth.
It’s that gas stuff they strap on ya.
That and their fingers wrapped around your tonsils.
Bite their fingers and you’ll get your opportunity.
Your dentist wouldn’t happen to be Craig Dudley in Tulsa, would it?
Nope, my dentist is in a little town called Lakin, Kansas.
ahh sw ks…
God’s country!
I gotcha! I’m in Dodge
LOL! Small world! I’m actually in between Garden and Sublette.
lol dang. I run from Dodge to the Copeland/Sublette area daily
Probably a dumb question but. Are there lots of Sooner fans in Kansas?
Heck yea, we’re everywhere. Coast to coast man…
Lakin, Ks. Went thru there on the way to Kendal, Ks. for Christmas. The wife’s son works on a 50,000 acre ranch around Kendal.
I’m about 45 minutes from there. My office is a corn field in between Garden City, KS and Sublette, KS.
I grew up not far from there in the OK panhandle.
My wife would agree with that.
I’m concerned about that.
Only QUITTERS seek therapy!!
Or A 12 STEP PROGRAM
We need a list of January 29 official visits as soon as is possible with their arrival only 2 days away for many!!!
Ok Im leaving my desk at work. When I come back in 20 minutes there better be some positive OU news or there will be Hell to pay!
There is ONLY ONE OKLAHOMA! Is that positive enough?
Your information concerning Kelly is inconsistent with most other reports, even the reports coming from the 247 beat writer, Tom Loy. According to his report following Brian Kelly’s in-home visit, he didn’t believe that Notre Dame will have done enough to get him away from OU. I really respect the work you guys do, and the information you provide. I’m just wondering why your report is so different than almost every other report that I’ve read.
All he said was “don’t be surprised”. If he picks ND, I for one would not be surprised. That doesn’t mean I think he will pick them, just that if his mom is a big fan of ND there is a chance he could pick them.
Checking out, folks. I’ll come back later. This room just got heavy. I need to put this out of my mind. I’ll see you all later today.
Don’t leave me here alone with these heathens, Sam. Times like these we got to stick together.
Heathen? Who are you calling a heathen? I haven’t been called that since I was a teenager. LOL
Just trying to help make you feel young Golf.
LOL! That would require a new knee.
new knee sounds phonetically like nooner; try that.
I like that idea. But my wife isn’t in the office today. LOL
Hey! But in the words of the late, great Curly – “I resemble that.”
top 12 class or BUST. just bring in needed talent. would love to have kelly but if he wants to go to ND then make sure we get jackson and/or tupai. if moore won’t qualify, get williams. if cobb wants to go to baylor, get mayden. if daniels wants to go to texas, get southall…. bring in farrar and Jacobs to finish off the class
https://twitter.com/seniorbowl/status/692146177727467520
If the kids we get aren’t good enough when they arrive, we’ll make them good enough.
THIS!^^^
Good post.
Yes!! Everything is gonna be alright.
I think Mav. is correct for some reason or another the OU coaching staff has chosen to not make the state of Texas an emphasis in recruiting.Having only 1 player from the top 100 in Texas is embarrassing to say the least..Go Sooners!!!
How is it embarrassing if they have decided to recruit elsewhere? Logic lost me.
You really don’t need to understand it,Texas is a hotbed for athletes that OU has always recruited well.It just seems that Stoops & company have chosen for one reason or another,to put more resources nationwide,the last 3-4 years.
Maybe that where the players that fit their board were (outside of saxet in that particular year).
There is exponentially more competetion in Texsa recruiting than there used to be. Basically 3 schools recruited Texsa kids. Now, the whole fricking country invades Texsa annually. A lot of time can be wasted putting major emphasis on kids with borderline interest in OU. It may not be to OUr advantage to place too much effort there anymore. We probably will always be somewhat successful recruiting there, but it can as i see it being a waste of time, money and effort in some cases.
It probably should be noted that most of our new coaches didn’t have a lot of Texas connections coming into this job. Riley has some older connections that I am sure he is using but Reynolds(who hadn’t recruited very much ever), Cooks, & Simmons are coming from places that are not so focused on Texas. One of the reasons Gundy is so good is he knows all the coaches and has been recruiting the area for almost 2 decades. A lot of the kids even know him from the times he recruited older guys at their school. It may take the new guys a couple of years to catch their stride in those areas but I think that will get it figured out sooner than later.
Did anyone see caleb kelly’s tweet the other night about enjoying messing with people’s heads?
I really hope that means hes just having some fun, and will come to the good guys. That one has got me very nervous.
ND’s top Cali recruit since 2002:
1. QB Jimmy Clausen (2007)
Look how great he turned out to be. I still remember that gawdy picture he took with all those rings on his fingers.
Yes – poster boy for Mr. 5-star. All those trophies he just “had to get.” Where does he do second-rate commentary now?
If Kelly goes to the fighting catholics heads need to roll!
Who are you, Gilstrap, and Esco planning to fire? Do tell. No one has answered that yet.
KISH haha
Not again – that man has been fired more times than some of those zombies are killed.
Whoever, it doesn’t matter. Just start anywhere. Lol
We can’t/will not have another year like 2011, #14 ranking, 17 signers, only 7 contributed ? ?
ESPN’s draft profile for Shep:
Character issues, possibility to develop into a 4th or 5th WR and mid-to-late Day 3 draftee…
Character issues???
Dear ES-PEE-IN; WTF – your people have a lot more “character issues” than Mr. Shepard.
I wasn’t aware he had any issues, character or otherwise.
Character issues? Are they high on crack?
Character issues?? I’ve watched this young man grow up. Have yet to see him do anything to make me question his character.
Lol kid will go no layer than mid-2nd round. No clue where they got this, but guessing it’s the wrong profile.
If they’re reffering to Shep getting in the middle of the WVU pre-game face off….they’re flat out stupid. Because he has no Character issues.
They are completely wrong on both counts. However, I will NEVER click on their junk even to argue their stupidity.
NFL network is 1000x better than the sports-mouse channel when it comes to pro football and the draft. That old-line network is still stuck with Mel Kyp-his-information and bad-nickname boomer who looks more like Fat Bastard than a football analyst.
Good one Cush! I can’t stand kyp and his ugly mug nor boomer who should have retired years ago.
Yep – whole damn network has gone downhill. I do like most of NFL Network – in particular, I like Mike Mayock offering knowledgeable commentary on potential draftees.
Yep I think the NFL network does a better job than the other one when discussing NFL potentials. I even quit watching the draft because I got sick of e$pin!
you mean this asshat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TLG_LtWhj4
Too nice of a nickname for him 🙂
Get that man a pacifier!
well played with “sports-mouse channel “, may have to borrow that from you.
Character issues??? Someone is reaching. The kids is a stand up guy that I would love to have on my team. I hate hate hate e$pin
Maybe they should watch their own stations special on Sterling. Just stupid this guy.
So much wtf on that one. Not even going to spend time dissecting it. Holy crap
I thought maybe some of you might be interested in this article. It explains the star system and opened my eyes.
This is an excerpt. http://247sports.com/Article/247Rating-Explanation-81574
110 – 101 = Franchise Player. One of the best players to come along in years, if not decades. Odds of having a player in this category every year is slim. This prospect has “can’t miss” talent.
100 – 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 30 players in the nation. This player has excellent pro-potential and should emerge as one of the best in the country before the end of his career. There will be 32 prospects ranked in this range in every football class to mirror the first round of the NFL Draft.
97 – 90 = Four-star prospect. One of the top 300 players in the nation. This prospect will be an impact-player for his college team. He is an All-American candidate who is projected to play professionally.
89 – 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation. This player will develop into a reliable starter for his college team and is among the best players in his region of the country. Many three-stars have significant pro potential.
79 – below = Two-star prospect. This player makes up the bulk of Division I rosters. He may have little pro-potential, but is likely to become a role player for his respective school.
what did it open your eyes to?
Tells me theirs thousands of kids out there no one knows about.
There are slightly more than a million HS football players in the US. That means there are roughly a quarter million graduating each year. If you spend 15 minutes evaluating each player that means you’ll be finished in 30 years if you work full time.
I think my 8th grade football coach told us that 1% of us would play most of the time in HS and then 1% of them would play in college (in any division). Then he said 1/2 of 1% of those in college would play in the NFL. He was trying to teach us the value of getting an education.
Right on Bob.
except that the SR class is always the smallest class by far. where my son went to school, in 7th grade there were 90 kids who went out for football. Many who played in grade school didn’t go out in 7th. In 8th, there were about 60. In 9th, about 40. In 10th, when 3 middle schools combined into one hs, there were about 60 sophs, then 40 or so JRs, and about 20 SRs. 6A school in OKC. Not all the SRs start, but they usually play. sometimes a soph or jr will start; it’s rare. That’s kind of how I guess who OU will recruit: If a kid starts as a soph, he’s OU/FSU/ etc., good. Obviously, this isn’t alwasy the case, but it happens a lot, if a kid starts at one of these 6A schools as a soph, watch him, b/c he might be OU good. I’m guessing the other 6A schools are pretty much like it with one exception (u.s. grant).
Except that you are wrong on the numbers. According to the NCAA of the 1,086,627 HS football players in 2013, 310,465 were seniors.
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Probability-of-going-pro-methodology_Update2013.pdf
interesting. I am not looking at that large a sampling, just the HSs I’ve experienced. SR classes are always the smallest from my experience. Of the guys college bound, very few go to D1 schools, and of the ones who go to D1 schools, very few of those OU would want, so it’s hard to be that elite athlete for sure.
I would think that bigger schools would have fewer SR’s. At a big school you have a big enough pool that talent determines whether you play or not. Guys recognize they don’t have the talent and drop out.
At smaller schools you are more likely to get to play because there just aren’t as many bodies and having some experience probably means you get to play as a senior so more incentive to stick around.
yeah, that’s what I would think too. And, then when you add to that that not many kids are taken from the smaller schools =pretty hard to play in college. A lot of those kids on smaller schools would never play a down at a bigger school and many would give up before they ever became SRs like happens at the big schools. It’d be interesting to me to see where these kids are coming from (6A schools) versus all the rest. Many good athletes transfer to Jenks, etc to get seen by OU, etc.
For example, how many DL or OLmen at a small school could play at a large school. Not many usually. Sometimes the lines are pretty small. That’s why, without going to the camps and letting the coaches see you there, it’d be hard to be a OL/DL from a small school. So you are 280 and maul a 180 slow lineman? So what?–is what OU, etc say
That’s exactly right. At a large school you see you don’t have the talent and are wasting a lot of time standing around at practices and games. At a small school you should get better each year which means you get to play HS football someday probably.
I’ve seen Crescent HS have to play 140 lb FR at Noseguard b/c they need the bodies.
Interesting. Thanks Rick.
So no matter how good or bad a class is there are always the same number of five stars. So five star isn’t a measure of how good they are but where they rank them relative to other players. Given that they are comparing QB’s to OT’s can’t see how it means much of anything.
Astute observation, my friend!
ESPN doesn’t do that. The number of 4-5 star players fluctuates from year to year.
I don’t recall any players rated OVER 100. Do they have an archive list of the 5 or 10 guys rated over 100 in the last 30 years? If so, was it done contemporaneously or massaged a little after-the-fact?
I was rated -50 by my last 2 wifes.
ROTFLOL!
Naw! I’m sure that was a rating error. Call one of those 900 numbers and they will tell you – “You’re Great!”
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And I like that “wifes” – It could have been wifeses.
Wifeses yes or itches
my wife’s first husband was perfect. only perfect man I’ve ever known. (just kidding; never been divorced)
LOL
Was an easy call for me 1st was a cheater,2nd went crazy on my son.
Lesson learned from 2nd,you can allways get another wife but i only have one Son.
Like the punch line – “good trade.”
Thanks Cush i respect you.
I have a step-daughter. Now l love her like the dickens, but if I was a butt and it came to it, I would expect my wife to choose her over me.
Exactly.
See new topic Xwifes or halmark movies or recruting lmao edit or realignment
Looooong off-season. Save them in your computer file 🙂
Dang, you guys are writing Hallmark scripts left and right.
Free to chime in Oracle.
Oh, I’ve had my own troubles. First wife was cheater and pretty much abandoned kids. I was Mr Mom for about 7 years. Remarried later on and we just celebrated 11 yr anniversary in November. Got a great one the second time around. I was just plain stupid the first time though. I really did know better deep down.
Congrats sir.
Well my first wife decided that when our kids were one and two that she did not want to be a mom anymore. She asked for our new car and said I could have the kids.
BEAWTCHHHH
Yep, been with my second one over 2 decades now. Best thing that ever happened to me.
Dang metzker, My first was the frozen tundra, second went friggin Paranoid Skitzo and went off on my son as well. Now on no. 3. Same on the one son thing. Sigh.
I hear ya Woof
First wife was insane and made me unhappy. Second time I got smart and married a woman I met on an OU football chat board. First off, we shared basic interests. Second, she’d already seen my inner azzhole in full cry.
Lmao good for you Jed.
2015 Trent Thompson
2014 Leonard Fournette
2014 Myles Garrett
2013 Robert Nkemdiche
2011 Jadeveon Clowney
2011 Cyrus Kouandjio
Kujo lmao striker says hi
Of course saying “Odds of having a player in this category every year is slim” is patently false, since they are averaging one per year.
Yeah, I noted that too 🙂
Thanks Bob. It appears that the once in a decade players come about once a year. Some (Clowney in particular) remind me of the problem with motivation and talent. The contrast between say Marcus Dupree and ALL DAY.
they didn’t even rate Adrian Peterson at 100
One thing that opened my eyes when I read this is the classes are compared to all the other players in that particular year. If you are one one of the top 30 players this year, you get a 5*, you may have been a 3* or a 4* the year before if you had been in an earlier or later class, but this year you are a top 30 player, so you get a 5* rating. The other classification that was eye opening for me was the 3* catagory, “One of the top 10%”. That makes a 3* pretty desireable. I have watched posters scoff when we take a 3*, and I could have been guilty of that myself at times. In my opinion this brings us full circle on how OUr coaches evaluate and coach up the talent is the most important key to a successful team.
A lot of times the difference between a 3* and a 4* isn’t talent. Two guys with the same talent can have vastly different coaches in HS. A 4* can be near the peak relative to his talent where a 3* can be near the bottom and the difference is that the 4* had a better HS coach who got the most out of him.
You are right, also, much is made of the summer camps (sponsored by the paid sites). A stellar player from a smaller school, that doesn’t have the exposure of the camps is not going to get the higher grades. Good evaluators are necessary to pick these kids up.
Agree Rick – camps (at least some) and recruiting services are often very, very tight.
And good evaluators are not what a lot of the recruiting sites are about. Think about it, if you were really a guy who could spot can’t miss talent wouldn’t you be working as a coach or a scout or something. If you had a nearly 100% rate of success on predicting talent at the next level someone will pay you large piles of cash.
I have no problem the star rating as general way to understand talent level except I don’t believe the rating should include pro potential. Difficult to project one level much less two. As a college football fan, I only care about what they are going to do at my favorite school. Besides, play on the field will ultimately provide insight to next level only. Just my opinion.
I guess I’m scratchin’ my arse that only about 1/2 of signees ever make it. Anywhere. After all the eyeballs on them.
https://twitter.com/GPowersScout/status/692413036850716674
Bob better bust out his best dance moves!
Bring the ” 6 God ” Stoops.
What is 6 God?
Baker but where did that phrase come from? Ive seen it a few times
I know where it didn’t come from.
god?
It’s a song by Drake…basically about being “the man” and showing up your competition.
http://genius.com/Drake-6-god-lyrics
A Drake song.. “The six” is a reference to his hometown, Toronto. Stupid if you ask me but who cares what I think.
Dont care for that to much JMO
As far as Kelly is concerned let me see go to Notre Dame and get caught up in the middle of a bunch of so-so guys or go to Oklahoma start as a freshman possible national championship team yeah that takes a lot of thought process… Oklahoma needs to start playing the Murray card that guy is just sick he is Cam Newton all over again
Don’t you wish it was that simple?
I agree except he’s more like 5 foot 11, instead of 6 foot 5.
in other words, Daniels, Cobbs, Kelly, Williams, Swenson are likely to sign elsewhere so brace for it ! the other sites are preparing OU fans as well.. I ‘ve bought an extra 1/5 of scotch for next Wednesday…….better stock up before the shelves are empty.
Thoughts on Mayden?
just a guess—Alabama. OU sure could use him if Cobbs bolts as many expect…..
does OU field a football team next year?
yes….
does anyone else jump ship?
Cobbs , I think and Kelly to ND is very possible.
who else does OU gain?
i’m not sure of the total…..the Wr from Southlake Carroll ( Farrar) is likely. Jacobs from Tulsa if he visits are 2 that come to mind….there could be a couple who become targets after Feb 3rd depending on LOI results…..
I feel good about OU and Mayden.
and Tupai, I think we get him this weekend
I don’t feel good about anything anymore. this open post has been awful.
I feel good about tots in my future.
we all got have something BC..
Will take a lot to get him off the West Coast I think, but if we blow him away on his visit it could surely happen.
Agree, bama bound
To celebrate?
Here’s your shirt. You’ve worked very hard to earn it.
Cracking me up wear it TNTMNBM!!!!!!
Cobbs, Kelly 80% OU
Daniels 20% OU, texsa bound
Williams is 20% GA bound
Stop panicking and stop over playing the negativity. Daniels is up in the air but I doubt OU gets him at this point but it is still a possibility. Williams and Swenson were never really on board and never have been considered OU leans. Cobbs may flip but it is more 60/40 he stays. Kelly is OU bound. Mayden is OU bound.
Thank you!
You’re the voice of reason. But I don’t think he panics over our recruits. He’d have to give a boom to do that. He just posts to see who will reply. As for the alcohol thing….
Waste of good whisky I say….
How about some wine, women, and song? (see if anyone remembers that one)
Anyone know what SD’s fav game is?? Probably sitting in his mom’s basement playing between posts.
An interesting article to provide some perspective in these last days before NSD.
https://twitter.com/Jake_Trotter/status/692417317611786240
OUCH!
This kinda reinforces the discussion we have been having today.
I liked that the UT homer put “Failed to qualify” as the first reason this class didn’t pan out.
Awesome look back. Thanks for posting.
Who do we blame?
Let’s all agree on dissisng ONE thing when NSD comes and the possibility of the Sooner Nation being in meltdown mode.
I’ll blame Bob Bowlsby and LHN
Stopped trying to guess whats under tree. I will wait to open presents on second Christmas. lol…
You guys/gals with Twitter need to remedy this:
https://twitter.com/NoLimitJay4/status/692346544838803460
fixed.
I would help, but this is my one and only social site. There is no need for any other. 😉
Yeah, I don’t Twit either 47.
I twits not.
twits not i.
I not twits
YOU GUYS are the problem! get on it!
You cant tweet from a flip phone Kelly.
You guys make being at work alot more fun.
Metz, we know you have been overwhelmed lately. Just tryin to make ya smile. Now turn that frown upside down.
Done!
We’ve been all through this – Now, you guys get back to work! If you don’t…you…will…be…forced…into…the SD thread….
Nooooo,not the dreaded SD thread.
Oh yes – the bosses’ best tool!
Back to work it is then!!!
I didnt see that im in the field as i oopsssss
Careful, there is no returning from the dreaded SD thread.
Quagmire on the best days….
an awkward, complex, or hazardous situation? Or did you mean Glenn Quagmire?
Well, is ….SD…….giggity? Could be either.
Concur.
Workers’ Comp! Workers’ Comp – I knew it! 🙂
LOL noooooo
dunno, I didn’t read the entire conversation- looks like he’s getting what he asked for though
Truth. There’s Only One.
We cant use that. I think OU has a trademark on that phrase. Let’s go with There’s Only One Original. If you know what i mean.
Okie dokie
Bear, did I read it wrong or did another guy say that he now had 1k followers?
RB, is this Jordan Parker?
yes
yeah, just click on the tweet, it’ll take you to his page
it’s working:
https://twitter.com/NoLimitJay4/status/692360484603822080
Not sure what he means, looks to me like he has a lot of OU followers.
He does now! LOL
That has been remedied.
His follower status spiked!
27, 2016 https://twitter.com/NoLimitJay4/status/692346544838803460“>January 27, 2016
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OK, Just got back from lunch. The channel they had on to witch i prefer to leave nameless, said that as of right now LSU has the #1 overall class for 2016 as of this moment. Somebody explain how that happens. And yes i know what conference they are in. Very, very frustrating.
They’ve got great in state talent and the ESPN media telling every kid in the United States that the SEC is where it’s at.
Thats it re-align the whole damn NCAA.
Yeah, institute a draft so KU has a chance – 🙂
Ahh hell, Lets just let them have there pick as to where they want to go.
What! What? Let them have free-choice? The NCAA will never stand for it. ESPN can’t afford it. And the SEC would never think of it.
They would only want the BB team, and maybe not even that this year.
Of course not. The ESPN dudes might have to have their SEC tattoos lasered off their buttocks. Painful procedure I’ve heard.
eeewwwwwww – bad mental image too!
A bunch of local talent. Louisiana has nearly the same amount of 4* and up at DT as Texas and 22 4* players overall with no other in state school to compete with. They are also getting east Texas kids that were going to aTm.
They produce NFL 1st round talent and OU has had one first round pick in the last 5 years. Kids aren’t going to LSU for the education and LSU does a great job of coaching them up and getting them paid. OU produces 3rd-7th rounders and FA pickups.
That state is LOADED with talent this year and there is only one program in that state that kids grow up wanting to be in. Only Monroe and Shreveport see heavy poaching as they are further north and very close to border states.
Their staff is full of recruiting specialists as well.
Basically it’s Texas talent this year with kids that are like Oklahoma kids and know only one program owns the state and they don’t even have a little brother to deal with.
BTW, La is loaded next year too. I like seeing us trying to get a presence there.
Everyone is sitting around hoping for a boom, but I’d just settle for an update that doesn’t suck.
I can see somebody cuing the OSU bashing comment.
WHAT HAVE OUR STANDARDS COME TO??? ARE WE THE POKES NOW? SMH.
Lol.
You must know my GF too.
Would OU have room to sign both Tupai and Mark Jackson?
I think they’d make room
OVER SIGN. OVER SIGN. OVER SIGN.
I like it!
https://twitter.com/JosephJones80/status/692416269711228929
Ahhh yes, SoonerStats.com. Put that bit of info in the Term Paper.
Why doesn’t OU tout the 16 NCAA Recognized titles instead of the AP 7 titles. ‘Bama makes up two more in their mind and counts 16 now.
Absolutely! But I don’t like are chances on getting both of them.
are = being verb, indicates existence
our = possessive pronoun, indicates ownership
Had— comitment
Lost—-comitment
Signed———- Velus comitusnot
Ha! Dustin’s not here, so just trying to help out. And its commitment.
Did it on purpose——
Porpoise—-
Perpiss
Back to work! Youse guys is ruinatatin’ the aconome.
Dolfen.——
(In Dobie Gillis’ voice) “Now, cut that out!” You know you’re (your, yer, yoar, yur) supposed to be back at work.
Nope daily report and on the road to Lubbock 90 miles.
Ok. Sorry, Metz.
Slim, you missed a LOT more earlier – I have been behaving and not jumping on them. Although, some are so far off that it’s hard to know what was being attempted.
Been trying to read through everything I’ve missed, but it’s tough going today. So much gloom, despair and agony is ruining my sunny disposition.
Go back to yesterday’s thread and look at Bob’s view – pretty and peaceful.
I lived in Grant for a few years. The town is a wonderful little place with a pop of around 900. Sits on top of Grant Mountain with great views in all directions. It’s less than five miles to one of the best bass lakes in the US, Lake Guntersville.
Gloom, despair and agony sounds like a country western song!
Food for thought:
Why didn’t OU make Derrick Strait wear #47 ?
Renaldo Works. But i have seen multiple same number jersey’s since then.
Referring to the play on words it would have been
I am seriously jonesing for an update.
This will be a great signing day. All those recruited by OU, who want to go to OU, will make it official.
Not feeling too good about caleb kelly, hope it wears off.
Notice that Hatari Byrd retweeted Kelly today. Has to be a somewhat good sign that Kelly mentioned Darlington the other day and players from OU are interacting with him.
Relax, he’s gonna be a Sooner.
I am relaxed, just stating my opinion.
I’m trying to remember when the last time Stoops reeled in a top 5 recruiting class, anyone know for sure? I’m thinking it was prior to A&M’s departure for the SEC. <— That, coupled with the rise of Baylor, the addition of TCU and the recent success of Houston, is making it really difficult for OU to pull top talent from Texas. That has a direct impact on OU's recruiting, meaning the staff has to be really good salesmen to pull talent from other parts of the country.
The coaching changes at OU doesn’t always help. More often than not, coaches “come through the OU program” on their way to becoming HCs somewhere else. A downside of sort, of success. E.g., Jimmy Johnson, Larry Lacewell and Mac Brown
I think the Big XII as a whole is lagging behind in recruiting, with the exception of Baylor. I can’t believe it’s come to that, Baylor has the top ranked recruiting class in the Big XII!
looks like UTerus might end up right behind them though.
People say recruiting rankings don’t matter, that we made the playoff without garnering a top 10 class. Sure, OU made the playoff…then got outclassed on a national stage again, by a team with far more talent than OU had. Just look back at recent national champions, and look at how much top flight talent they had on their roster. So yes, recruiting rankings do matter.
Outclassed, far more talent…dude, you are drunk.
Not at all. Clemson was far more talented on both sides of the ball than OU, that’s why they won by 20. While I expect OU to be improved along both the offensive, and defensive lines this year, they overachieved this past season for the most part. I’m just being real here. Go back and look at the talent level Clemson had just on the defensive side of the ball, and compare it to OU.
OU was ahead at half time. Perine and Mixon both go down with injuries early in the second half. Walker being out on Defense hurt as well. And we were still fighting. OU was not that far away. Don’t act like they got destroyed.
Walker and Jordan Evans both out and then Frank Shannon comes in and plays on an injured knee and Matt Dimon plays at 240 after dealing with an illness over the break.
Just keep on putting down the Oklahoma football team.
That’s not my intention, sorry you’re taking it that way. I’m just stating the obvious, they were the more talented football team on Dec 31st. And my original comment was about how long it had been since OU had a top 10 recruiting class.
Let’s go back down to that little place called reality for a second. I feel your pain, but being ‘outclassed’ is a bit of a stretch. OU was still in the game until they fell asleep on that fake punt. Also keep in mind that missing your best DT is going to hurt up front. Bad coaching decisions lost the game, not the talent.
Just to be fair they lost their best defensive player in one of the first few series and still got tons of pressure on Baker.
Yep, they did. Against Freshmen tackles that Venables said they would be targeting.
I don’t care about the ranking of the class until the results on the field are not good. Example we just went to the final 4 and what was this class ranked? (Striker 3 star, Dom I think 2 or 3 star, sanchez was maybe a 4 star, Charles Walker 3 star and so on) Even in Stoops early years he had some 10-15 rated classes but they were still going to National Championship games so who cares. Baylor has risen to great heights and so has OSU with classes not even in the top 20. We need coaches who can sell but even more so who can evaluate and coach them up regardless of their rank.
but the winners have had top 10 classes. the team that looked much better physically in the Orange Bowl has had top 10 classes.
OU had a first year OC, DL coach, DB coach, receivers coach, RB coach, TE coach, MS in press box, and a thin OL… Yet they were conference champs last year. That’s encouraging.
I got you man, it is encouraging. however, I don’t put stock in the Big 12-2 competition as a whole. The bowl games proved that much. LosuR was 2nd in this conference and got Ned Beatty’d in front of the nation.
Some fans don’t much care about Big 12 titles until we don’t win one. Then those fans run around yelling like their hair is on fire.
Not necessarily you, I mean…but some fans.
Clemson’s recruiting was remarkably similar to OU until last year. That was the only class that Clemson was ahead of OU that I saw on 247 or Scout I believe.
Thank you Matt.
I can’t argue with that but look at the top 10 even top 5 teams at the end of the year and look at their recruiting classes.
Also just look at the top 10 last few years in recruiting and compare results. Look at Florida, USC, Michigan (though not bad this year, had very good classes with Hoke and they achieved nothing) Tennessee, A&M, and Georgia. All these teams “great” recruiting classes but what have they won recently.
I agree that we need to recruit well and I want top 5 classes but I would rather win games than recruiting rankings of guys that have never played college football.
You’re right, getting a top 10 class isn’t fool proof and still prone to mess up due to poor evals, coaching or character. IMO, part of the formula to win big is getting a top class and not just bank on diamonds in the rough. I think the other part of said formula is luck + character + great coaching.
it was 2010. That class was #2 on ESPN I think or that might’ve been Scout but it was definitely top 5.
2005
Demarco, Gresham and McCoy were the headliners in that class, right? Bradford was a 3*, and I believe Trent Williams was as well.
Ryan Reynolds & Demarcus Granger were the two five-stars/headliners
2010 Jordan! get it right!
Jordan is correct. Rivals 2010 was #7. Rivals 2005 was #3.
Okay I’m going off of Scout (#2) and ESPN (#5). I didn’t see where Rivals was specified anywhere.
I did 😉 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee1a26f4a03915bc3225c1799345a6e1b118cad406f1c12e8a821cdf6e144cec.jpg
Wow. Texas does absolutely nothing with everything.
pre-Bomar incident
Bomar was 2004 though. 2005 and 2006 were both excellent classes. 2007 was when recruiting started to slide slightly.
his thing with the car dealer was in 2006, not when he committed
The thought of Oklahoma losing out on an in-state prospect of Jacobs’ caliber makes me feel like our buddy, Kramer.
— Super K (@SuperK_TFB) January 27, 2016
On a positive note, this looks beautiful :].
Hey – are those stadium guys working instead of hanging out at TFB? What’s up with that?
I would like to help them. It would help me get off Twitter/TFB for more than 47-straight seconds.
Looks pretty cool….can they install some seat warmers for the November games?
yOU name it, I’ll call “my guy”. Just keep those insider notes coming OUr way, fam. ;]
RUFKME!? The kid goes from offers to NMSt and Wyo one week to OU finally involved and now ‘Bama? Is Saban going to show and do ‘da dab’, again?? smh
I hope Joshua dabs his old crack outta Oklahoma.
stay classy
Always ;]
To think a few days ago Wyoming was Josh Jacobs’ best offer. Now today Bama’s coming by to visit
Kid will never see the field at Bama. He won’t fit into that system, IMO. I’d rather see him go to Mizzou if OU can’t land him.
This is exactly right, the only reason Satan might want him at Bama would be a dedicated return artist. They don’t use small quick dudes in their O.
Kenyan Drake was a similar back.
Drake was a role player so not that bad if that’s the role he would play!
Not true. Size difference and different style of running.
Disagree. I’m sure you know more than Saban though, so make sense you’d say at this stage he def won’t see the field.
You seem to enjoy disagreeing with things I say. Seems like it’d be easier to ignore what I post and bother someone else with your nonsense.
Riiiiiiiiiight. I follow just you around and disagree with you. Ever heard of delusions of grandeur?
Another reply…
The irony of typing “another reply” as a reply. I’m betting you just do it to see your super kewl custom avitar. I can’t take anyone with a soul patch seriously.
Oh Joshua, you’re so hilarious. I bet you watch a lot of Full House reruns.
wouldn’t say never…….kiffin chgd up their o while he’s been there
I agree. Go back and look at the entire Bama 2016 recruiting lineup. (I’ll save you effort, 2/17 are under 6″) I forget the article (HBO Real Sports with Gumbel) saying something that he will recruit size over any other attributes any day. This kid would atrophy in their system. He would be at best a change of pace back. At OU, easily triple his production since he’d be catching in space.
It’s actually good news that an Alabama assistant is doing the visit. Saban himself was trying to figure out how to get by to see Jacobs.
didn’t someone say there is speculation that bama is where he wants to be?
open page last nite……………http://www.tidefans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262615
I wonder if mentor is code for imaginary person.
It’s funny that according to their posters any player with interest in Alabama fits their “style” but as soon as they move on they don’t. Jacobs fits everyone’s offense because he is an elite athlete. He can play with speed and power. If he ends up at Alabama, it is a major miss by OU and especially OSU. They need someone like Jacobs 100x’s more than OU does.
I am not 100% sold that he is interested in Alabama to begin with. He could be but the first mention of Alabama in his recruitment was yesterday.
If you are a HS football player and Bama comes knocking you at least open the door and listen to what they have to say.
Very true.
In fact, if it were my kid, I would play along with Bama just so I would get a lot more interest based on getting an offer from them. Bama is like a dog in heat, there is a whole pack of other dogs following them around.
I disagree he is an even bigger miss by TU than any of the other schools as he played basically in their back yard and he is the kind of kid TU can not afford to continue to miss out on.
funny, apparently some out-of-state lesser schools were doing their homework and found him before anybody
You can’t tell me this kid couldn’t play in Montgomery’s O something is wrong that they missed out on him. I am a Sooner homer for sure but, would like to see TU do well so they can’t miss these kids. Just like Dae Williams from Sapulpa they let him go to Louisville and Mason Fine go to North Texas!
The best scouts and recruiters aren’t the ones getting paid.
That’s definitely a head scratcher. I just looked at there offer list and they have several offers out, but nobody that seems interested in them.
Don’t get me wrong I think Frederick was a great get by them and I think Bucktrot and the Muhammed kid all 3 could be a great anchor of a future O-Line for them. Johnson, Revels, Stewart and Williams could all be great players for them.
That is true, McClain is literally up the road. I reference OSU because they are a P5 school.
I agree with your statement but, TU has to build itself into a contender by first keeping their in state talent home, they have some lead way into Texas with Montgomery and they will always be able to get a few certain kids from Lousiana
Jonesing for an update!
Eagles hire Chris Wilson as defensive line coach.
I’m getting closer to heaven every day. Lane, Sammy, Demarco, now CW. Maybe they draft Shep.
interesting, he was just hired as mizzou’s dl coach……really worked his way up the ladder
Get Dom or Striker as a LB cause lord knows they need LB’s! Shep would be a great asset but, would they take him when they are still developing Matthews and Agholor?
Aside from Hicks (from UT), Eagles do need LBs.
As for the WR position; The Eagles had more drops than any other team this year. Shep has very good hands.
I agree but, they need a better running game as well. I am a Cowboys fan but, my best friend is all Eagles so I keep up with them as well basically cause he tells me every week how great they are and how bad the Boys are. But I am also a realist and see what stands out to me about other squads, Sheps need to be a Cowboy him or Treadwell actually both would be nice get Tread in the 1st and Shep in the 2nd. But Eagles need a more solid run game which they may get without Kelly and the OL which use to be a Eagle strong point needs some help and LB play and probably CB also!
The boys will draft a defensive player in the first, and Derrick Henry in the 2nd round. Shep could be a 3rd rounder though.
They need a play maker opposite of Dez and Witten is get older and Dez had his first bad year of injuries which won’t get better. If Bosa falls to them I’d be ok with that pick!
Odds are that they take Jalen Ramsey from FSU or DeForest Buckner from UO with that #4 pick though. The D line and secondary need a ton of help.
I would love this pick! Along with Byron Jones you would have 2 guys with great flexibility in playing corner and safety and then add getting Scandrick back and you are on your way to a pretty solid secondary!
Jerry Jones is the new Al Davis. Had a good thing with a great coach, then thought he could manage the team and never won the big one again.
I’m hoping all of the QB’s are still available and Dallas can trade back and pick up some extra picks.
Wilson, 47, most recently coached the defensive linemen at USC. He was let go after the 2015 season and accepted a job at Missouri a few weeks ago.
Pederson said he and new defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz met with Wilson Wednsday morning at the Senior Bowl.
“Sat down with him actually this morning and had a great interview with him,” Pederson said. “Jim Schwartz and I spent about 2½ hours with him and he’s got great attention to detail, fundamentals, he’s a technician.
“He’s worked with some of our guys before, he’s recruited some of our guys before. He’s very aware of the talent we have and he’ll fit our system well.”
Wilson is the final member of Pederson’s initial Eagles coaching staff. Pederson already hired longtime NFL defensive lineman Phillip Daniels as assistant defensive line coach.
Wilson has never been a full-time NFL head coach, but he’s served NFL minority internships with the Cowboys (1995), Cardinals (1997) and Dolphins (1998).
Shep going to my chiefs sooo yaa 😉
Shep will be going to the Raiders….Cooper…Crabtree….Sheppard! 🙂
That would be sooo awesome! Finally has something to cheer about the past year. Been too long since Raiders were a factor.
Me and the boy 2 years ago.
NICE!…I went to the KC game in Oakland this year. Was rough but fun.
Have always wanted to go to a game in Oakland and experience the Blackhole first hand. If they do move to SA, I have an old Navy buddy I can visit every season!!! lol
Its a good time. Can get rowdy but unlike the ol days its pretty family friendly.
Go Broncos!! 🙂
Well I root for the Raiders twice a year, when they play the Broncos. I’m a Packers fan first, then the Chiefs. I worked for the Chiefs ticket office for one season, my compensation was free food a the big tent tailgate and free tickets to every game.
That’s a super young wr corps
Best outside wr in one class
Best slot wr in the next
Not too shabby
Getting his NFL experience, then when needed back home. Boom! 🙂
Two thumbs up!!!!!!
PS: Would rather have him at OU, than with Philly
Agree, would never be a Philly fan if not for the Sooner links.
Slow news day today so some updates from the senior bowl on Striker
https://twitter.com/RosterWatch/status/691687665947824129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
and…
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/01/5_eye-openers_from_tuesdays_re.html
Well signing day is a week away so cheers
https://twitter.com/kdamp/status/690620262425894912/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
The Cotton Bowl is closer to Norman than to Austin.
Texas schools have grown up since the 70s. It’s no longer OU versus UT in the recruiting wars. Even SMU would be in the mix had it not been for the “death penalty” slapped on them by the NCAA.
you’re right because they would still be paying kids
Texas schools have grown up no doubt,but so has OU and there is no reason why OU should be getting manhandled by Baylor,TCU,& now Houston??That’s not right!!!Go Sooners!!!
update added
A true UPdate.
Tupai would be a very good fit in this OU defense!
Cool update….need more polys…
What’s the worst recruiting class OU has had. I’d say the 2011 class.
Trey Metoyer WR 4* – need not say anthing else
Brandon Williams RB 5* – transferred out
Jordan Wade DT 4* – good role player
Danzel Williams RB 4* – ??
Marquis Anderson DT4* – transferred out
Kameel Jackson WR 4* – kickoff the team
Kendal Thompson QB 3* – transferred out
Jordan Phillips DT 4* – great when not injured
Nathan Hughes DE 4* – ??
Max Stevenson TE 4* – medical
Dan Tapko TE 4* – transferred out?
Frank Shannon LB 4* – could have been great
Dylan Dismuke OT 3* – ??
Derek Farniok OT 4* – Couldn’t beat out a freshman
P.L Lindley OLB 3* – good role player
Bennett Okotcha CB 3* – not sure he made it onto campus
Nila Kasitati OL 3* @ TE – Very good player
Wow, that’s a productive class! Lol. I think Tapko just decided to give up football. That was a 14th ranked class according to rivals w two 5*. Great example of ultimately how few guys actually pan out.
On star/player average that would be a dead tie with the #1 team this year. Goes to show the rankings aren’t always reliable. There have been a lot of 5* busts in recent history. I don’t have and stats to back up this assumption, but from memory I would venture a guess that the 3* and 4* players wind up being the better players.
Soonerborn,thanks for the info.that class was a fricking disaster!!For as long as OU coaches evaluate they seem to have alot of busts,Go Sooners!!!
Tapko and Hughes both quit Football, but Hughes stuck around to continue school, I believe.
What happened with Marquis Anderson? I know he went to Navarro, but that’s the last I heard. Weird. Bennett Okotcha was on campus for a year and then transferred when Mike Stoops came along. He went to play with his brother at UTSA.
Colossal failure of a class . . . and yet we made the playoffs when some of these guys should have been starring. College football is a crazy crazy game!
Yea, Rivals No. 14 class …
And only one of the assistants that recruited that class is still here.
2012 had some really good players but it had a lot of misses too!
Please enjoy the earlier stylings of one Jordan Esco
http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/2013/3/7/4072918/ou-football-oklahoma-sooners-recruiting-wherefore-art-thou-class-of-2011
And some of his more recent work…
https://thefootballbrainiacs.com/ou-oklahoma-sooners-football-recruiting-2011-what-hell-happened-bob-stoops
Think, I will grow a beard waiting on a Boom. Boom beard…yeah.
Girls BB at 7pm tonight on FSSW+ DirecTV 676-1 for those interested.
She should call Baker – I’m kinda sure he would be okay with helping tie the shoes.
While Samia has Baker’s back, I think Peyton could get a shoe tying. 😉
I would certainly be glad to lend her a hand or two! Even if she didn’t ask for it. Just sayin’.
Nothing new: Recruiting has been a problem and is still a problem.
The Brand Name is no longer going to get it done without dynamic recruiters. imo
I am not going to voice a negative view, unless we don’t get Caleb Kelly.
Could easily make the argument that our coaches are overachieving on the recruiting trail. Conf is weak, talent location, city of Norman, nature of today’s kids, etc.
Ya think the four playoff teams would each rate in the top ten, at least ? ?
Getting whatever player you extend an offer to and them saying no thank you is not recruiting failure. Have you. Not seen t he list of commitments OU has riight now? It’s pretty impressive.
What’s up with all these new Negative Nellies? Like the old ones weren’t enough?
good one, lol
they’ve given birth at an old age
Said it early in the season, but still think PL Lindley is/will be a better NFL player than given credit for..
https://twitter.com/jordan_esco/status/692507981733322753
What’s up with Jordan’s tweet
https://twitter.com/SuperK_TFB/status/692514049226051585
I actually think that will be good news for ou as well. I think this in about Elliot who just decommitted from Michigan.
I was getting ready to say the same about Elliot
good? why
Elliot and Williams appear to be committing to Texas. Daniels surely doesn’t want to be a part of a 5 DL class when he could be a part of 3 at ou.
think cd wants to be part of the ut ‘revival’, we’ll see
Sigh..
Man, I have to say that our spoiled fans kind of suck.
You know who you are.
https://twitter.com/idthe22/status/692496772132900864
This video has my 100% support.
He’s going to be special in the nfl.
I hope he gets paired with a dominate outside wr or TE and a qb
He is baby faced enough I say someone gets him a new birth certificate cage his name and age back to 18 and we sign him again.
Someone get some butter for that TOAST!
Are those Michigan State and Clemson players he just made look silly? Ironic if so.
looks like they might be, hard to tell but we’ll say they are 😉
All day
What was it that ESPN said? Too slow?
Maxs Tupai: count me in.
Texas is killing it on the recruiting trail
Baylor is killing it on the recruiting trail…
OU better…well…figure things out sooner than later.
Geez! It’s like this every year. The crybabies always whine about our so-called “rankings” and who we didn”t get, yet all we do is win.
Personally, I’m a little less enthusiastic with our recruits this year. Is it wrong to feel bummed because it feels like we aren’t making ground but others are? Plus… Seeing Super K post about Texas bums me out as well.
I think this class checks more needs than people think.
Could be sure. Not to say anything negative about the kids and I’m no expert but to me it feels like we have more or less put a body to a position and quality is lacking. I know that sounds like I’m dissing the kids i guess I’m just comparing to last years batch. Otherwise these last minute offers make me nervous, like we couldn’t get what we wanted so we’re just tossing offers to what we need bodies in. Again I know that sounds terrible but it’s just how I perceive it. However, if we close strong with the like of Kelly and so on I’ll shut my mouth and be happy. Again though, it seems like every day (exaggeration) we knock someone off our wish list because we don’t feel like we have a chance. So yes I’m whining but I feel like it is kind of within reason. Meh? Sure.
Part of the late offers are due to dominos falling into place at other programs leaving some recruits open to new possibilities. So far getting in late on some recruits has been working in OUs favor in terms of longer time to evaluate and getting the chance to leave a late, lasting impression.
Seee you’re being optimistic though. I’m trying to be optimistic just sucking at it.
It takes practice grasshopper 🙂
I think Jordan Parker and Cobb/mayden are all better than the corners we brought in last year. I have a bad feeling about mbanasor, I think he’s average at best. And Stephens has rumors of leaving.
As for safeties motley (some say safety some say corner) and sylvie I’m not impressed. The OL, I’m not going to doubt the guys because I think bedenbaugh knows what he wants. Kendall and Adams are great prospects. Bledsoe, JMT and youngquist are going to play lots of football here. That leaves hardy and the Juco linebackers which might be head scratchers but I’m willing to wait and see, they all 3 basically committed on the spot so I think they are the type of guys we want here as guys who waste no time.
That’s fair. I guess we’re still on wait and see status with Cobb and Mayden. I do like Kendall for sure. Not sure what I think of JMT. But honestly, unless we score Kelly and a few of our remaining wants I have a hard time telling myself to get excited about this class as a whole.
I think we land mayden, Kelly and Jackson. Not sold completely on Daniels yet but I think it’s swaying to more of a 60/40 in favor of ou. We will land a receiver and I think we end up with Jacobs even though it appears he’s leaving the state, I don’t think he will.
If you watched Sylvie in the All-American game you would come away impressed. I sure did.
I did too. Theres a reason that they made him one of the team captains.
We will see. I don’t think he’s trash at all, I’m just not overly excited. I think he will sit for 2 years and have a chance to learn and develop. He’s not very big right now, we will see if he can get to 195 (180 currently) with good weight by the time fall camp starts. If he puts in the work and achieves that first goal then I’ll have more faith.
Not trying to be negative but its fairly likely that we might easily miss out on both Cobb and Mayden.
And I think it’s just as easily we land both. I’m not buying Alabama here for mayden. Also I think Cobb knows what haughton knew.
Yep. It will be even more so if the final tally includes those who have yet decided. But even if OU gets just those now committed it’s a pretty quality class.
Correct.
It’s the difference between needs and wants. Everybody WANTS a flashy 4-5 star recruiting class. Very few schools get that. As long as OU rights the ship and gets guys with a high ceiling of potential and grow that potential, I could care less about rankings. But if they don’t cultivate that potential well, THAT is where we have problems.
yeah, but, you don’t understand. We’d like to be like ut under brown and win not football games but the mythical recruiting title
LOL!
Not gonna lie… My optimism is waning
Texas is 50th according to rivals. I wouldn’t say killing it. They will surely finish strong but it won’t mean anything next year at this time when they have a new coach.
Two losing seasons in a row.
Coach on the hot seat.
Writing on the wall..
Going to lose 5 or more games next season
Coach gets fired.
I’m surprised they doing that well.
Seriously, by what measure are either of those 2 “killing it”. LSU, tOSU, yea, they are killing it. UT and BU? Not so much.
I’ve been following OU recruiting for 30+ years. I’ve learned not to stress over rankings and also learned not to judge a class until at least 3 years after they arrive on campus. I recall the excitement of the signing of such stud QB’s as Brent Rawls and Cody Thomas. Read tons of bitching and moaning over the signing of a 2*- 3* QB named Sam Bradford.
My point is just chill out. Nobody knows who are gonna be the stars and who are gonna be the busts.
This is accurate.
Was going to say the same thing, but you said it so well.
seconded
I dont see why its not ok to have at least a little frustration/worry about recruiting.
You cant make a case that our recruiting is as good now as it was in 03-08.
Are we still getting some good talent? yes. Are we still winning? yes
Parity in football and the domination of the SEC on the trail is troublesome, i really dont see how you can argue that.
Dosent mean the sky is falling, but its not all sunshine either.
This ^^^^
How do you know? This may turn out to be our best recriutibng year ever!! People need to stop buying totally into star ratings and what Rivals and Scout think and more about what Stoops and Riley think.
If we were landing the majority of our 1st, or even 2nd targets, i wouldnt be worried.
I do trust in the coaches ability to evaluate talent, but i also recognize they arent getting the top talent THEY want.
Do you honestly think we take beal had we landed dontavious jackson, or bosse, etc?
Its not about the star ratings bud, its about the order the offers are going out, and the fact that some of these guys are 4th, 5th, 6th on our boards.
What do you know about Beal to be critical of him? I heard his coach on the radio today and he said that he has put over 360 players into D1 schools, over 30 of them LB’s and Beal is as good of an athlete and linebacker as he’s ever coached, so lets wait and see. And as for Jackson, we cooled on him some time ago.
Im not trying to be critical of the kid, i hope he comes in and lights it up. Just saying that he wasnt a top target, or he would have been offered earlier.
He fills a need, but does that mean we even offer him if we had landed kids we made earlier offers to?
If hes as good a LB as that coach has ever had, why did we offer his LB teammate 1st?
We cooled on jackson because he eliminated us very early in the process. No reason to waste effort on a kid we have 0 shot of landing.
I don’t think beal was a matter of running out of HS options and having to go juco. I think Dom leaving and the lack of experience led to his offer. Juco guys offer a higher floor. We need some players to come in and contribute immediately and he gives more of a chance at doing that, especially considering the bounty of young backers we have on campus and look to have in this cycle. We have several high ceiling guys now with last yr and this yr. ..
Outside beal, we had 26 LB offers out, and landed 2, hopefully 3 if we get kelly.
Id say we missed out on a ton.
Never said we didn’t miss out. Everyone misses out. Not one school gets the top targets on their board. I’m just talking about the beal offer. That seems to be exhibit A in everyone’s argument against this class. Your assessments are fair, don’t disagree.
The reason its so worrisome is we lost 5 of 6 LB with any decent experience.
Same goes with WR.
I agree the unanswered questions after losing all those guys is worrisome. I personally think that more a result a few yrs of getting nothing at the position. Last 2 classes (assuming we close with what has been expected this yr) have my hopes up moving forward.
Landed 4, not 2. You left out Jon Michael Terry in your count and that Jefferson kid that supposedly had his scholly pulled. So theoretically with Kelly, we’ll have landed 5/26 offers, not 3.
Then add in the two JUCOs as well
Thought JMT was gonna end up as a WDE. Hes a really big kid. And ya, didnt count jefferson since he flipped.
Re: Jackson-Unless you are part of the recruiting process and actually talk to people involved, you can never tell why things seemingly go well with a recruit one week and then the next week it’s all crickets. Recruiting is a long term, continuous effort where we are evaluating options and I think more than likely, Stoops evaluates character and other aspects that a lot of other coaches overlook, preemptively locking ourselves out of a large group right on top. Off the top-Greg Bryant, Josh Jarboe,Cam Newton (Juco), Devon Thomas, Wariboko… who knows what Stoops and co’s line currently is??
I dont need to know the in’s and outs to know that we missed out on jacksons top 5, or top 7, or whatever he put out, months ago.
Im just using him as an example. We missed on a lot of kids.
I am really confused about what you are arguing here. Yes, we missed on a lot, but we equally cast a large net. It happens everywhere
Just saying I dont think we make some of these late offers had we landed some earlier kids in the process.
On average all the top teams offer from 5-10 players for everyone they sign. For instance Alabama has offered 247 players this year and they will take no more that around 25. That means they have missed out on 90% of their offers.
Wow. I had no idea. Boom!
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I don’t care what a coach that has put over 360 players into D1 says or that Stoops, who is a defensive guru, wants him, he’s no good if he only has 2 stars. /j
Geez! Who lands all of their first and second targets. I think i read recently that Alabama has offered over 200 kids this year to get to their 23-25 kids.
Can you name me a single 1st or 2nd guy on our board we have landed? Honestly, not trying to be a jerk here.
We are making a ton of late offers, because we missed on a ton of kids high on our boards.
Unfortunately, guys at the top of our boards are lower on the bama boards. They have access to recruits we have no shot to land, and to be frank, the reverse hasnt been true.
Kendall. Adams. Hardy. Jordan Parker, Cobb, sylvie, youngquist, JMT, Bledsoe, valentin. Daniels, Jackson, Kelly and mayden which I think our chance of landing each is over 50% all 4 are top targets from the beginning.
Edit: all of that is regardless of what you, me or anyone else believes, that is strictly based on who the coaches clearly wanted.
We would have taken buchele, patterson, guarantano and haskins ahead of kendall. But kendall is a stud, so no complaints there.
TBH what im most worried about is LB and WR. Those are our big question marks and the ones we seem to miss out on the most.
But thank you for doing some research, presenting a good case, and not jumping all over my sh%t just because im not sunshine pumping.
Well looking at our guys on paper and then looking at top 5 programs lists, ours is unimpressive but that’s the truth of ou right now. Our history is cool but that’s all it is right now. We’re not a destination town and we choked 2 national titles away in 2003 and 2008.
As for the QBs, Haskins was the only other qb that Riley offered, so while we would have taken any of those guys, 3 were JH offers which should tell you something. Also I think Haskins is vastly overrated.
Thats exactly what im thinking, thank you. Not saying we arent doing well, but a lot of other programs are hotter right now. Its just the reality of the situation.
Didnt patterson win the elite 11? that kid can sling it.
Even if it was a heupel offer, had we landed him, i dont think we land kendall.
We did bring in kyler Murray though.
Glad that happened at about the same time kendall enrolled lol.
Hope it dosent cost us roberson.
Buchele over Kendall would be a mistake if you’ve watched them and looked at them.
Off the top, one of our earliest offers-Amani Bledsoe
Mctelvin agim and madibuike, but bledsoe is a stud, very happy we landed him.
You asked about our 1st and second offers. I will give you the first, that ship sailed with Monty’s departure. Not much difference in the other two #121 vs. 122 per Rivals for SDEs
Bledsoe was a really good land at a position of need. Stoked to see what he can do.
. . . and isn’t bama trying to recruit Jacobs? Interesting. If bama was getting everyone they wanted, why are they all of a sudden seeing him for the first time today? Was he the 1st or 2nd guy on their board? Is that how bama does their recruiting–wait until the guy isn’t going to ov (only one weekend left), go see the guy? I’ll tell you who lands all their 1st and 2nd targets: NO ONE!
This was a really, really bad year for RB recruits. Not a single 5 star. I believe they had a high level RB and he flipped, could be wrong though.
Look at their offers compared to what they have landed, and do the same for us. They are landing kids at the top of their offer list, we really arent.
so in a bad year for RBs you wait until today when he can’t OV to visit him. All the more reason why they should have gone after their 1st target, obviously according to you, before today.
They already have the #2 RB committed.
And jacobs blew up last minute, kind of a unique situation. Not often that a top 300 kid dosent have any major offers 2 weeks before NSD.
My point exactly. He wasn’t their #1 or #2 or top ten target. If you only knew, you’d find that they have several other positions that they didn’t get their #1 or #2 target and they have a “unique situation.”
NOBODY GETS THEIR #1 AND #2 TARGETS ALL THE TIME. NO ONE
If we had bama’s recruiting classes, we probably win 3-4 titles as well.
They might not land every 1st or 2nd kid on their board, but they obviously land enough to win more than any other team out there.
I sure hope Beal doesn’t read this board and see some of the things some posters have said about him on and since his commitment thread. Kids have feelings, too. He could be a very good get just as easily as not. Nobody knows yet.
Dude, quit acting like im calling the kid trash. I dont care that hes a 2 star. I care that we offered him very late in the process AFTER we missed on a lot of other targets.
If he was at the top of the board, why didnt we offer a long time ago? Thats all im saying.
I honestly expect him to be a depth player, to get a shot in the rotation, and theres nothing wrong with that. Not everyone is a all american.
Dude, alrighty then. You are correct about everything. Rant on.
How is that ranting? Im just a little sick of people acting like im stephen dale just because im not jumping for joy over missing on some positions of need.
I dont get why people cant have their opinion on here without getting trashed on.
Sorry about the rant remark and that you’re sick. Sorry we’ve missed out on so many top recruits and it could get worse before next Wednesday. You have every right to your opinion just like everybody else. I should not have replied to you the first time, so sorry if you thought you were being trashed. That was not my intention.
I welcome conversation, its why i come here. All good man. Hope we close strong and , could be a really solid class with a couple key pieces.
I think 20 year old beal is a lot more mature than those making negative comments about him.
I’m a perennial sunshine pumper but I am also a realist so I agree with you on dialogue. I am not as worried about things because the defense, on paper is Elite and that’s where it all starts. We have changed focus to building size. UCLA, Ole Miss, Tenn and Bama …etc all sell something we can’t. It is what it is. But rather than mull over something we can’t control, I choose to celebrate the victories. You started with LBs so lets talk. Folks forgot that just 2/3 years ago the world was falling after A&M flipped our only LB, Mastrogiovanni. So while you see not landing Mbosse or Jackson as an issue, I see landing DeBerry, AMG, Bolton, Bond (hopefully) Kelly as HUGE positives. For 2016, 2 of the 5 LBs are Rivals 250.Then there’re 2 JUCOs plus 1 Oklahoma Kid with a huge upside.Three of those 5 were first priorities, 4-5 star kids with size. The other two? Products of unexpectedly losing depth.
If you read the Stoops Lackwanna visit story you’ll see that the OU coaches went looking for a very specific breed to replace Alexander. They found two of exact same type and signed both of them. I’m not saying they will be world beaters, but its not quite as you make it sound/ “reaching”. It was intentional
Now on offense.. no idea… I take issue to not having elite WR talent, Period. Even landing Velus, the #63 WR would not have made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
Tl:Dr: The Lackwanna Linebackers were not “reaches”
We offered 31 WR, and landed 2, and 1 of those 2 might not even show. Thats a bit worrisome.
You will get no argument from me on that all. Dennis Simmons was supposed to fix that, having come from the West Coast
There are problems. I think the problem a lot of us have is people who never post except when something bad happens and then they show up to complain. A “realist” can talk about both the good and the bad that happens. I think we also have a problem with people who say “Player X is never going to be any good.” Most of us who have watched this for decades know that some players may have topped out but every year there are guys who step up and suddenly become good players. All these kids on the roster now are Sooners and we need to encourage them to go to the next level rather than tearing them down.
Am i tearing these kids down? Ive said numerous times i hope beal comes in and tears it up. Just because i dont think the kid is at the top of our board, dosent mean i dont think he cant be a good player.
I most definitely consider myself a realist, but people sure seem to be coming at me like im trashing our entire class and im a horrible negative nancy.
There is a middle ground between pessamist and sunshine pumper, and it really frustrates me that i cant offer my own opinion without getting trashed on.
I didn’t say you were cutting them down. Sorry I didn’t know we were talking about just you.
Sorry, some of these replies have me very defensive. I come on here because i enjoy talking about anything OU related, the only school ive ever loved since i was 6 years old.
Its the only board ive ever found that has some very knowledgeable people on it that i really like talking to.
I haven’t read everything on here, so I don’t know. Most of the regulars here are sensitive right now because a lot of new people have shown up just to complain. Under normal circumstances they wouldn’t attack personally, but argue with your points. However, I think a bunch of them are getting a little testy because of all the rabble that’s shown up.
Ive been a regular on here since before the 2014 class finished. Thought i might get a little more benefit of the doubt, but alas.
I recognize you’ve been here for awhile. I would point out that you are taking this a little personal. Just because someone argues with you that doesn’t mean they don’t respect you. It’s the Internet someone is going to argue with you unless you post pictures of cats.
The thing that really bothers me is that they are twisting my words.
Saying a kid isnt at the top of our board dosent mean im saying hes bad. Thats really the only point im trying to make, but people seem to think im attacking a kid.
Think im gonna go shoot some zombies and de-stress. Have a nice night.
Yeah, I would step away from the keyboard. It’s just not that important. Come back when you’ve had some time to relax.
More important that i probably make it out to be, but that happens when you work all the time, have no social life, and live vicariously through your favorite sports teams =)
Grabbing the keyboard to save us from the zombie hordes. Pew pew!
Been there done that. Work hard, be wise with your money and things will get better.
Saving every dime we can =) Just working a bunch of OT to accelerate the process of getting in a nicer house. My girls are old enough to have sleepovers now, and i want them to have a house they can be proud of.
Thanks for the kind words.
You got a problem with my cats!?
It’s cool bud. I don’t post much this time of year for good reason, tensions are high.
ya starting to think that might be wise.
OU fans have to realize that OU does not mean the same to everyone else- these kids have favorites of their own, we’re not going to snap our fingers and land whoever we want- ever.
College football has way more parity than it used to, teams are on much more level playing fields and are on TV all the time- this creates competition for the cream of the crop (kids) that didn’t used to exist.
This is just how it is- so, be happy with what/who we’re able to land, be happy for them and root them (OU) on or just decide to be grumpy.
BOOMER!!
SOONER!! Night all, I’m out of here.
I hope we don’t have recruits that visit this board. I’d be worried they’d think OU fans were whiny, spoiled, bandwagon-types, and not want to be a part of that.
true, but so are fans at all schools, even HSs and Junior High schools. you’re right though and I think it’s embarrassing for children much less adults
You know I don’t think we have “bandwagon” fans on this site that often. I just think we have some fans that are a little more extreme than others. Some might be overly critical of certain things but we all want the same thing…to be the best. If you think these players aren’t going to have to deal with some scrutiny and pressure think again. Look up the definition of a FANatic. We are extreme.
Don’t worry, they are more mature at 18 than these posters.
So whats up with Youngquist?
Troll alert.
It’s not trolling. But I don’t think it’s flipping concern. Something from sooner scoop.
Any idea on what it is?
Nope I don’t have scoop so I don’t know what was posted. Does sound serious though.
So either taking visits or grades
Neither. I wish I actually knew but it doesn’t sound like either of those, people aren’t afraid to talk about those issues openly on forums.
Damn, I sure hope there is nothing to it.
My bad, looked like first time posting and with all this junk I keep reading figured it was another pot stirrer. Apologies bmrsnr.
^this
why are you asking about Youngquist?
I’d like to know about this as well. Saw someone retweet the headline.
1st round talent
https://twitter.com/idthe22/status/692496772132900864
Now I want some Reese’s.
Nice catch and run, but it’s the HANDs too
Gawd, I hope he doesn’t land in Philly. Green Bay would be sweet. KC too.
I can hear it now “Bradford drops, turns, fakes the ball to
Demarco Murray – it’s play-action. Lane Johnson with a crushing block as Bradford goes deep to a wide open Sterling Shepard”. That would make even corporate football fun to watch!
I’m a Cowboys Fan so obviously I want him to get a star but I think him and Amari Cooper, Crabtree would be filthy on the Raiders
Shepard is so nice. Please get him Green Bay!
YES! Go Pack Go! We need more WR’s obviously and we need to have a year Bulaga doesn’t get injured. That dude wears me out! Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy having some philosophy issues right now, hope they can get it settled this off-season.
Man we need a room for the regulars…maybe call it The Regulars….js
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Predictions/opinions are a dime a dozen this time of the year so here’s a few more:
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2016/01/27/one-week-left-look-biggest-recruiting-battles-predictions-texas-ou-tech-baylor
It’s buried down below, but I want to make this point.
On average all the top teams offer from 5-10 players for everyone they sign. For instance Alabama has offered 247 players this year and they will take around 25. That means they have missed out on 90% of their offers.
Keep that in mind when we talk about OU not getting their targets. None of the big boys get even half of the players they offer.
That’s not to say we don’t have some positions of need and need to finish strong. But overall it’s just the nature of the game. You spread a wide net and hope you catch enough fish to eat.
think you said this last yr, too
But, but, but….fire Kish!
But, but, but….fire Kish!
Math is hard from many people.
One more perspective on recruiting. Steve Davis almost didn’t get a scholarship and was #8 on the depth chart starting off. His record as a starter 32-1-1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgMgDNIMCsc
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re jacobs……post on bama board, tidefans, fwiw………
“The latest word on Jacobs : Coach Burns finished his visit in Ok, visit went very well. Jacobs is attempting to have OV at Alabama this weekend but he has Missouri already plan, but will try to visit both this weekend. No formal offer has been extended yet. The offer will have to get approval from CNS. Sources close to the situation believe Jacobs will commit as soon as Bama offers. Stay tune”
Geez, how do you miss a kid as good as Jacobs when he’s right under your nose? Not faulting our staff as it seems a lot of staffs did, but where was the breakdown I wonder that we didn’t get in on him until late in the game? Hopefully he wants to play close to home, but the draw of the national champs has to be great.
he’s not that good, but capable. Let him go to Bama if it is what he wants. We get the RBs wee need every year with a yes or no answer.
Really, he’s not that good? Hard to believe that tOSU and Saban would be interested if he weren’t, especially this late in the recruiting process when time and resources are most precious and not to be wasted.
Somebody is building a hype train with him. I see nothing outrageous on his tape. I don’t see 4.40 speed. I see 4 five something speed with some wiggle. He would be our 5th best back next year and that is no joke.
Lets just see how interested tOSU and Bama actually are.
Fair enough. Not challenging you just curious about your reasoning. Thanx for sharing.
Just seems to be a lot at once. Not saying the kid isn’t good because that seems obvious. I just wonder if maybe somebody is overplaying the tOSU interest, etc…looking out for the kid like an agent.
It is a privilege to be a RB at OU and I can see us not offering him first pass. His tape doesn’t look better than Abdul Adams, IMO, but he is clearly good.
Pokieboys have ZERO excuse for not being all over him.
Yes, agree about Adams. Perfect fit for what LR wants to do with RBs in his system. If Bama offers, then I’ll believe he’s OU good.
You want 4.40 speed look at Velus tape, then look at Jacobs.
You want 4.40 speed look at Velus tape, then look at Jacobs.
I believe if he were a texas kud he would have had a scholarship early. Stoops is known for slow playing instate kids.
I would question their information then, because I haven’t seen any indication that Mizzou is pencilled in for a visit this weekend, and certainly nothing in stone.
There’s more than enough room for both Bowen and Jackson (names given alphabetically).
No disrespect intended, but it seems curious that a group of UT recruits are texting each other encouraging undecided recruits to jump on the bandwagon to help turn the program around, while simultaneously, the alumni are devising a “respectable” way to remove the UT HC. One can’t make this stuff up.
You just described UT logic in a nutshell!
Best scenario is strong wins just enough to keep his job while ATM hires Herman. Buyout will be down to about 15 million next year…which shouldn’t seem like much to a school that just spent half a billion on a stadium renovation. But aggy overspent.
UTerus board full of optimism, they’re closing very strong on this years class and OU is just trying to hold it together. Why is this? Coming off of a conference championship (albeit in a glorified mid-major conference) and a playoff appearance with a very young team and we are having trouble closing? hopefully when these new facilities get done we can regain momentum.
http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2611672-jordan-elliott-decommits-from-michigan-latest-details-and-reaction. So suddenly this guy is looking at Texass…hmm
what makes a kid go to a school with a coach who is treading water
I’m not going to say it you figure it out…
could be harbaugh but man i dont know what charlie is selling but theyre loving it
Strong brought them all down to Austin as a group and let them bond with each other. Different than the Stoops one on one approach and not a bad idea. NBD really, UT has always outrecruited OU.
Yea, I saw this earlier while combing their boards. it’s ridiculous really.
Has there been a recent visit with Kelly? Maybe I missed that info. I’m just curious why they wouldnt try to close strong with him.