Open Post | Wednesday, Jan. 13th

Image of Kyzir White via twitter.com/KyzirWhite8

Kyzir White: Last night Oklahoma made another offer to a JUCO prospect. This time it was to S/LB Kyzir White (Lackawanna C.C.). White hails from the same school as OU OL signee Ashton Julious and OU LB offer Kapri Doucet. There was some confusion about whether White was indeed offered. The answer, as I understand it, is he was indeed offered. Evidently the offer was made last night by LBs coach Tim Kish.

White is currently committed to West Virginia and is the brother of NFL WR and former Mountaineer, Kevin White. While it may seem like an impossible task to flip someone with close ties to West Virginia, White is taking a visit to USC so it does appear he’s at least somewhat open to considering other options. I asked White last night, after the OU offer came, whether he will visit Oklahoma, to which he said he has not yet decided but is ‘considering it.’

To me this offer very much feels like OU searching for a JUCO prospect to come in and compete for Dom Alexander’s now vacant spot. One thing is for sure, Oklahoma definitely asks their LBs to be in coverage situations, including man coverage, and White would have little problem doing that.

He can even be seen on film playing CB at times! But that doesn’t take anything away from his physicality, at least in terms of his willingness to hit. You don’t get to see him take on many blocks but this past year, for the most part, Oklahoma’s defensive line and their varied alignments kept Alexander cleaner than he had been the previous two seasons. So finding someone like White, who can get down hill in a hurry and strike someone violently but can also drop, cover, and close windows are likely the most coveted features OU seeks in a potential LB replacement. – (Super K)

Amani Bledsoe: Per Randy Withers of Rivals.com, 2016 DE Amani Bledsoe (Lawrence, KS) is down to Oklahoma and Kansas. For anyone who thinks Kansas is being thrown out there by Bledsoe simply as a tip of the hat to his home city school…in the immortal words of DJ Khaled, “you played yourself.”

One of TFB’s partners spoke with Bledsoe’s mom recently and while she refused to talk at length about recruiting, she did say that Bledsoe does seem genuinely torn between OU and Kansas. She apparently added that even she wasn’t sure what he was going to do.

Kansas is struggling right now on the field (obviously) and I’m sure their coaches have been saying over and over, “we cannot let this kid leave the state.” It’s exactly the kind of moral victory Kansas could certainly use.

We are told through a source there are mixed feelings on the Kansas side of things. Some inside the program are feeling confident that they will land Bledsoe, however others are not quite as certain. We are also told that Bledsoe, as expected, has plenty of pressure to commit to the local school, but there are also a few people close to him that like Oklahoma.

This one is a coin flip in my mind. Stay tuned. – (Super K)

358 Comments

  • ouwooferman says:

    Boomer baby. 1st

  • Spitting Bull says:

    Sooner second…

  • Indy_sooner says:

    I’d love to be wrong but I don’t see us landing either of the guys above. That said, good on OU for being relentless in identifying and pursuing the talent to get us to #8. This should further quell anyone questioning Kish’s ethic (not that he has anything left to prove, IMO)

  • bjwalker82 says:

    DJ Khaled is a whiner. You think the Spurs turned off the AC in their own stadium to beat LeBron? You played yourself

  • Birddawg says:

    “Kansas I mean, how silly is that? … And we talking about kansas. I know I supposed to be there. I know I’m supposed to lead by example… I know that… And I’m not.. I’m not shoving it aside, you know, like it don’t mean anything. I know it’s important, I do. I honestly do… But we’re talking about kansas man. What are we talking about? Kansas? We’re talking about kansas, man. [laughter from the media crowd] We’re talking about kansas. We’re talking about kansas.” – Allen Iverson ish.. 🙂

    “Come on, man”-Chris Carter

    I’m reminded of these two quotes for some reason with this Kansas or OU decision.
    I wouldn’t be surprised at a Kansas commit with the opportunity to be a starter and play for his home team. But its Kansas, not his fault they are really bad.

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Just by looking at Whites tape I say let WV have him. He doesn’t wrap up. He likes to tackle by throwing his body into people. At only 210 lbs he would need to gain about 25 and learn to tackle IMO but I’m no professional by any means. This won’t work in the big 12 and it certainly wouldn’t be good against very physical teams.

  • Garrett says:

    I can see us landing Amani. New facilities, national spotlight, TV time, football school. I think he will make the decision on which school can help him get to the pros.

  • Adam Burrow says:

    We didn’t actually offer White. May want to double check your facts…

    • Super K says:

      Yes, it is my understanding that OU did.

      • Adam Burrow says:

        I know he claimed one, but it didn’t happen. Just giving you the courtesy of informing you. No worries. Love the site. 🙂

        • bjwalker82 says:

          Care to elaborate? Might you do us the courtesy of telling us why we ought to believe this claim?

          • Adam Burrow says:

            Welp… this was fun posting over here while it lasted. I’ll just go back to lurking now. If I’m wrong I’m wrong, but man… I’ll just lurk from now on.

          • Brian says:

            Dude, you come on here and tell the mods that what they’re putting out there is wrong and you’ll get a little push-back. No one’s mad at you, but you’re not defending what you’re claiming. You’re just saying K is wrong without any clarity as to why he’s wrong.

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          Do you know an OU coach or the kid? Because if the answer is neither, you probably don’t have the answer yourself.

          • Adam Burrow says:

            Whatever you say buddy. 😉

          • Brian says:

            If you’re going off Rivals’s report, they have said it didn’t happen at DB…They’re checking on if it happened at LB, since Kish is the one who made the offer.

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            That wasn’t an opinion, it was a fact.

            If you are listening to another site, I’ll trust TFB over any site out there. They don’t post garbage here.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            I seen K’s body of work and it is excellent. I have no idea who you are. I think I will take the opinion of the guy who generally knows what he is talking about until you offer some actual reason for us to believe you.

        • Super K says:

          Thanks for the kind words Adam! 🙂 I do feel very confident that an offer did happen though. But if anything causes me to waiver on that I’ll add an update.

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          I’d be happy to listen if you have somewhere to show some facts, not just internet rumors.

      • Michael Brock says:

        Offer was not made. However, if it was made, I hope its not at LB. Especially after OUs small LBs just got dominated by Clemson. I am sick of OU recruiting a kid to play a position that he needs to gain 25-30 pounds to play and not a kid that already plays the position.

        • Super K says:

          I’m not sure why so many of you seem so emphatic that an offer wasn’t made haha. It was made by coach Kish last night.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Evidently it’s b/c they appear to be paying for info they could otherwise be getting for free 🙂

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Actually it looks like they are paying for incorrect info when they could be getting the truth for free.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            zing!

          • Brian says:

            And if Kish made the offer, then it’s most likely at LB.

          • Michael Brock says:

            Okay, lets say you are correct, which you very well could be, why the eff are they offering a JUCO safety, that doesnt shoulders people instead of wrapping up, at LB and not another LB? Also, some speculating the offer was due to a safety, maybe Byrd, transferring out? You hear of this at all? And if that is the case, why not press hard for Lamar Jackson or Shurod Thompson?

          • Indy_sooner says:

            K mentions it above, the dude can play in space and on the line. It also helps that he has Corner skills at 6-2 201lbs which alone is a step up from Zach Sanchez. Who knows why they are going after him, the only thing you can do is speculate. For all we know, the two you mention might have told us to kick rocks

    • Rick says:

      You need to quit reading the other crap, because it’s crap.

  • SoonerMagic76 says:

    This was discussed yesterday, so I went ahead and put together my best stab at it. My projection of the OU 2016 Depth Chart.

    This is, obviously, just my thoughts; if I forgot someone, have a typo, or you think something is incorrect, definitely comment and say so. Just wanting to start some discussion on it.

    • JD says:

      Id move Dimon and Mcinnes both to DE. No way Dimon is a DT and no way Hulk is an ILB

    • bjwalker82 says:

      Baker Mayfield 6’1 hahah

    • Birddawg says:

      I had the same o line.
      I had Austin Roberts/Ricky Deberry starting.
      I think Obo will come down to DE backup DJ.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        DJ needs to be more disruptive. I was not that impressed this year. Captain obvious: We need to have pressure from 4 guys so we can play coverage and deal with Houston and OSU read options. Perhaps Hulk can become another Jeremy Beal?

        • DCinAZ says:

          I wasn’t impressed with DJ either. He just seemed like a body out there and that’s about it.

        • Birddawg says:

          I believe this was DJs first full year of football since surgery.
          As that year of experience now. Rooting for the Oklahoma boy.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      I like to include all players on mine. But you are missing Overton at DT. I was curious why 1. you have Andrews at TE? 2. Mead over say Quick or Penn st/Ryan Parker? I like the C Kelly addition (projection).

      • Birddawg says:

        IMO, Best player in your class should see the field.
        Ckelly should see the field.
        Can he play ILB? plug and play..?

      • SoonerMagic76 says:

        I put Andrews at TE because that seems to the most consistent way we are actually using him. Should he have been on the field more with Shepard? Of course. But he wasn’t for some reason.

        Quick and Mead were a toss up. The Penn St guy I wanna see more to have some faith.

      • Lane Gilstrap says:

        I’d like to see Walker and Gallimore at DE and Romar at DT, obo Evans Bolton and Kelly at LB, 3-4. That would put some beef on the line.

        • D Hunter Sanchez says:

          Yes. I was thinking of Walker and Gallimore at De too. But wouldn’t we be vulnerable to wide plays like Bama is? If they can be effective against the read option…that would work at times.

    • Michael Brock says:

      1) Where is Curtis Bolton?
      2) Bobby Evans is not a guard
      3) OU runs a 3-4 not a 4-3
      4) Where is Overton?
      5) Campbell would have to get eligible for me to have him that high

      • SoonerMagic76 says:

        1) Probably an oversight there
        2) That move was more out of a suspicion of shuffling talent than anything
        3) I put the OLB in there as well, but I suspect/ hope we use more 4-3 next year, as we are losing both Striker and Bond off the edge
        4) Most certainly an oversight
        5) Didn’t have another great option if we actually do go 4-3 for who I thought would get the other DE spot

        • Michael Brock says:

          1) I forgive you
          2) If thats what you were doing, just switch Samia and Evans
          3) No, The OLBs that will play this year will be better overall than Striker and Bond. Striker was an absolute liability against the run and will cost him in the NFL. THere will be more size and athleticism out there next year.
          4) Again, I forgive you
          5) If thats what you were doing, I would switch Campbell and Roberts

        • D Hunter Sanchez says:

          There’s a lot of interesting questions for Spring ball. Staying 3-4 or going 43, Is there someone who can be a Striker type player? Whose taking Dom’s spot? Corner battle, Right guard? Wr? Will Riley get Baker to throw more dumps offs to the backs? Will Ross be more effective and whose going to signal fair catch on punts?

          • SoonerMagic76 says:

            All good questions. The 4-3 vs 3-4 is a big one for me.

            The WR also seems interesting. Ton of talent, but I can honestly say I don’t know which few will consistently be the best before fall gets here.

          • Michael Brock says:

            They have been recruiting DL and LBs the past 3 years, including this class, to stay at a 3-4

          • Birddawg says:

            I think we stay with our base scheme for the most part for spring and summer. In the mean time working in some 4-3 looks to counter teams with size. Multi scheme/multi groups .As the year goes along according to plan..winning and getting into the top 4 again (work in a little more). Being able to match up your defense with the QBs and speed in the big 12 then getting into the playoffs where undoubtedly one of the opponents will have genuine nfl size across the lines and go to a more traditional front 4-3 to stop the run.

          • SoonerSpock says:

            LB depth might be the key determinant on whether we say with the 3-4 or play the 4-3 more. If you look at the roster and exclude the incoming freshmen we have 7 DT’s, 5 DE’s and 6 LB’s competing for 2, 2 and 4 positions respectively.

            With only 6 LB’s competing for 4 positions depth is going to be a real issue and in all likelyhood we are going to need to depend of some incoming freshmen for depth. A switch to a 4-3 would minimize this issue by reducing the need for LB’s by 25%.

          • SoonerMagic76 says:

            I would agree. I think there is a ton of depth at DL, and not as much at LB, so I think it makes more sense to run more 4-3 than 3-4. Although, as pointed out, we often ran something closer to a 3-3-5 anyway when Will Johnson was on the field as NB.

          • Rick says:

            I would guess Kelly is a Striker type. He has more speed than Eric had.

          • DCinAZ says:

            I don’t want another Striker type player to be honest.

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Well, Striker was only a pass rusher and he should have only been used for that. But I was referring to another effective pass rusher from outside.

          • SCKSChief says:

            I think what DC is saying is that some would prefer a guy with Tapper’s size, who could be stout against the run AND be a pass rush guy…you know akin to the DEs at Bama and Clemson.

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            True. Striker reminded me of Derrick Thomas of my Chiefs. He got to the Qb, but in the AFC title game Buffalo just ran right at him with Thomas and gained 200 yards.

          • SCKSChief says:

            I don’t know that Striker will ever be that accomplished as a pass rusher, but I see what you mean.

          • DCinAZ says:

            Yep. No more hybrid/tweener types that are liabilities as well as weapons. Find guys who can play their position with NFL size bodies. We never replaced Roy Williams as a hybrid safety and we spent years searching for “Roy” safeties. It’s too difficult to replace hybrid specialists.

          • JD says:

            I think he has more TFL than any sooner in history…yeah Ill take some more of that…see what you mean about size though…we just need some backers that excel at blitzing containing and tackling

        • Rick says:

          It is overall a pretty good list. At this point who really knows, it is just really good to look at what might be. I’m in hopes some of the younger guys (I’m hoping the talent level is better with the younger guys) start making an impact. I’m really excited on the reports of the young DL guys, Overton, Gallimore, Lampkin.

          • SoonerMagic76 says:

            Really agree with you on the young talent. The talent, and size, for the young DL guys seems to be plentiful. Ready to see that on the field.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      No Overton?

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      I hope somebody else wins the backup OT jobs.

      Don’t agree with all of it, but thanks for taking the time to put this together.

      • SoonerMagic76 says:

        No problem!

        Yeah there are obviously lots of decisions to be made by the coaches, and hopefully some good competition.

        And I definitely forgot one or two, so my bad there. But that’s why I wanted to do it, to get people’s thoughts and see who I wasn’t thinking about.

      • JD says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised to see Orso step up…fig Evans would be outside as well..maybe Powers at Guard

    • rainydaze114 says:

      That RB rotation is salty.

      • JD says:

        I like Adams as well but he’s likely to redshirt but who knows…I wonder if Brooks might transfer or shown the door with his latest suspension

    • LLAdamJ7 says:

      Crazy that Stanvon Taylor is still around. Thought he was going to breakout 3 years ago. Also hope that Mbanasor can overtake Austin. It’s probably better for us long-term if he can.

      • SoonerMagic76 says:

        Yeah I was debating putting him as the starter, but wasn’t sure yet. I hope he does too, think it’ll get him some great experience and get him developing

    • hemisooner says:

      IMO, PJ plays over Stanvon Tayor and we play a 3-4.

    • Indy_sooner says:

      You are saying that Alex Dalton is not developing enough to be a #2 at C? Disappointing if so. Looks like we will have some question marks on OL again next year.

    • KJ1123 says:

      Looks pretty good. Evans will be Orlando’s back up most likely. If Dalton’s recovery goes well he will be at RG with Hearne backing him up. Roberts will start over Campbell, 50-50 chance Dimon starts next year (he really needs to bulk up) if we get Kongbo I think he will get some immediate PT. LB…..no clue…well have to see how this recruiting cycle pans out. K posted something on a JUCO CB (I forget his name) but I thought that guy could contribute right away if he came to OU, but I think he’s would be a great safety at this level.

      EDIT: Joseph Putu

      • SoonerMagic76 says:

        Both lines are tough to know right, as are the LB’s. Lot of talent, especially on that D line, just not sure how it goes.

      • hemisooner says:

        I think we got some young safeties that can play in Haughton, McKinney, and Sunderland. Not worried about that. LB depth is what worries me. I think Tay Evans has better potential than Alexander, IMO. I think the guy who will surprise a lot of people is Obo. If he can stop the mental bust he will be fine.

    • Dave Wilkins says:

      Anybody who leaves Bolton off of your 2 deep is fooling yourself. That kid is a very solid tackler.

    • j l says:

      Forgot overton at DT. Doubt he would get reps this year, then fall off the 2 deep next year.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    another site steadfastly says Kyzir White was not offered nor will he be…..interesting disagreement between experts….You guys happen to be politiicans, too ?

  • Glocal Sooner says:

    So the question of the day is: Are we suddenly offering tons of JUCO guys because we’re not comfortable with what we currently have and feel that we need some immediate impact guys on the field next season or are we not sure we’re going to land some of our remaining targets so we’re trying to fill the spots with JUCO guys who could pan out over 2-3 star guys who would just be filling a spot and never get to play. Deep thought of the day.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      I still think it means we’re going to see another transfer or two, but I suppose the Alexander departure could have been a bit of a surprise to them. Be interesting to see how it all shakes out. I have nothing against the JUCO route, just doesn’t seem like many of those guys have helped OU over the years. Some have, I know, but especially in recent years they just haven’t gotten on the field a lot of the time.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      I see JUCO guys as space filler backups that are older and more developed in most cases. Dede came in and contributed last year but lately OU hasn’t had much success with JUCOs

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        Well, it depends on what we want to define success with Jucos as. I mean, obviously not all players from HS contribute. So if a team takes 4 Jucos what is the expectation? In 2012, we took six. One of them became the leading rusher, and Bester made some plays. 2 out of 6 contributed. 2013, Savage and Barnett contributed. St John still on roster. Three of 5 contributed. I want stars too, but Kenney helped us win the Big 12 in 2010 etc…not a star…but…helped.

        • SCKSChief says:

          The trouble with JUCOs is if they don’t play for two years, you’ve almost wasted your time…especially if they can’t get on the field their first year. If they are brought in to ease in some Freshmen, but they fail to play until year two, then you may have wasted one of those years from a young guy. I don’t know. I’m just not a huge fan of the JC guys.

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          I don’t necessarily expect them to be stars (unless they were recruited as such), but it would be nice if some more of them could actually get on the field.

          St. John was the #1 JUCO OT, and hasn’t lived up to that.
          Quincy Russell flamed out at DT.
          Tony Feo, did he even make it to campus?
          Will Latu.
          Brannon Green.
          Courtney Gardner.
          Chaz Nelson.

          We gotta do a better job of finding JUCO’s that can at least contribute as backups.

          • JD says:

            You don’t remember seeing Feo and his ponytail on punt protect

          • Oscar says:

            Brannon Green played and was a good blocking tight end. He even caught one or two passes when thrown his way, which Josh never did. (except twice)

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          Bringing in JUCOs is fine, OU has had some that have played well. I still think aside from Williams and Bester most have not been a huge step up from what a typical FR or SO wouldve done in the same situation. Am I generalizing too much? Yeah it seems so. I withdraw my statement

          • SoonerSpock says:

            I would take some issue with you statements comparing Juco’s and freshmen. The success rate on them is probably comparable except 25% of he Juco’s may contribute as first year juniors and much less than 25% of your freshmen are going to be contributors. Also there is probably still a slight advantage for a Juco his senior year vs a true sophomore. Generally the senior Juco is bigger, stronger, more experienced and has more stamina. Definitely prone to making many less mental errors.

            Of course with the incoming freshman you have his two most productive years available when the Juco is long gone, Also an unproductive Juco is a bigger loss of a scholarship as you were expecting production in year 1 and 2 while you can wait 4 or 5 years for the real return on the true freshman.

      • AMKing00 says:

        Lance Mitchell, Donte Nicholson, CJ Ah You, Brandon Walker, Remi Ayodele, Dede Westbrook are a few names that have had success at OU transferring from a JUCO.

    • Tucker says:

      Have been wondering the same thing to be honest.

    • SCKSChief says:

      I wonder the same thing. Sadly, I’ve also learned to wonder whether JUCO guys are ever really “immediate impact” guys…unless they’re named Cam Newton

    • Big Tiddays says:

      I think you grab a JUCO when you think a current player on roster might get squirrelly playing in front of 85000. Gotta have a plan b.

      • soonerthunder says:

        I don’t think any player OU recruits “squirrels” playing in front of 85k. once the game starts, you don’t hear the crowd, especially the opposiing crowd if you play D. The other team’s O is on the field and they are not noisy then.

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          Yeah it’s a silent vacuum in your head when on the field, or at least it was for me when I played in HS

          • soonerthunder says:

            Now I do think the crowd plays a huge part in basketball, but not as much in football. It plays a part, but usually the crowd helps the D at home games and is quiet on the road. It’s hardest for the O on the road.

          • paganpink says:

            Yes- you’re in your own head listening to yourself breathe and grunt and yell inside your helmet. Fun as hell!

    • Birddawg says:

      Somebody said it yesterday that I feel summed it up.
      Not wasting Bakers last year.
      Players get banged up. Need depth. LBs, oline, WR etc.
      If we can get 4 starters from this class it will go a long way to getting back into the playoffs. ( 4 starters like 2015 class)
      Juco offers are establishing depth.
      We got Dede and Will to start.
      Will Johnson was a huge addition! Parker will be at safety all next year.
      Getting a Guard and ILB would be phenomenal.
      Just need a couple to turn out.. 50% chance. Roll the dice.

    • SoonerOracle737 says:

      I think it is for depth and an attempt to improve positions. Some 5* players have to take the JUCO route, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t studs.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    What defensive formation were we in most of the year? I keep hearing 3-4, or switching to a 4-3, but weren’t we in a 3-3-5 (nickel) most of the year, with exceptions being against teams that looked to run it more?

    • SoonerMagic76 says:

      Great thought here TU. In theory, Mike ran a 3-4 for the majority of the year. However, we certainly ran a lot of 3-3-5 with Will Johnson on the field.

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        Which is exactly why I don’t see a shift back to a 4 man front. If you do that and play nickel, you essentially have 2 LB’s and 5 DB’s. If you stick with a 3 man front, you have 3 LB’s and 5 DB’s. The switch was made to get more speed and/or coverage ability on the field. Not sure why we would go away from that.

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          It makes sense to be able to do both, in cases where OU needs more strength up front. Such as vs Alabama(yeah I can hope), or having more speed vs Tech or TCU

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      I trust TFB. They know their readers will call them out if they report bat-shit crazy info.

      • SoonerMagic76 says:

        Go on and preach. I be right behind ya in agreement.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        The thing with TFB is they accurately report what there sources are telling them without a lot of hype or playing games to drive up clicks. Does that mean they are never wrong, no. Sometimes there source is wrong even though they are usually right and sometimes people change their minds or the situation changes in some way.

        In the end I find them the most accurate source for OU football on the Internet. They certainly have the most integrity.

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          Integrity is a 4 letter word at some OU sites

        • SoonerMagic76 says:

          Much agreed. Also don’t feel the need to be the first to report on something if they’re not actually sure of what they’re hearing.

        • SoonerOracle737 says:

          I agree about the integrity of TFB. Those pay sites are mostly a scam and sunshine pump for fun and profit.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      I’d hope he’s offered as a safety with Ahmad being a SR next year and Parker being draft eligible too

    • Lane Gilstrap says:

      I totally disagree. He hasn’t shown he knows how to wrap up. Whole lot of body and shoulder tackling and that ain’t gonna work with the big boys.

    • John Garner says:

      So he could play the 1-tech if need be? Surprised Bama isn’t in on him then.

    • soonerthunder says:

      we need a bus driver, for sure. If the game is at TCU, and the bus driver drives the team to Ames, big problem. Glad he’s versatile.

    • paganpink says:

      LOL. His coach is sold! Good for him- sounds like a great kid.

  • Dallas Johnson says:

    Well, yesterday in the post, i said that the coaches know what they are looking for and will not just fill a spot with 6-7 spots remaining.. Well with as many offers going out as of late I may have been wrong.. Not to take away from the talent of the players offered.. Kyzir White’s film is REALLY GOOD he is a legitimate player.. however, all the late offers seem to give me the slight feeling of desperation or maybe they just know ahead of time that they will be missing out on players like Bledsoe or others.. Would like to get the Brainiacs opinion on this.. Thanks for all you do guys!!

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Inexcusable to have anything less than a top 14 class after making the playoffs. Have to at least equal last year’s.

      • Tipman says:

        If we had 25 slots, I would agree. I think the best way to evaluate is based on avg. stars / composite rating

      • ccmosaic says:

        16 is not the class that will be affected by OU getting to the Playoffs. The 17 class is the one that will reflect our playoff run. If we can beat Ohio State and Houston next year, our 17 class will be sick (in a very good way.).

      • Eddie and Amber says:

        I wouldn’t say that as most of the guys committed way before know we’d make the playoffs. Next year needs to be top 5ish depending on the #s of schollies available.

      • Jake says:

        I’m with you. We’ve gotta reserve judgement until we see the results on the field, though. You know the ranking system of those sites is fairly generic. OU always plays above their “official rankings”.

      • SoonerSpock says:

        Because you start recruiting kids while they are still juniors frequently the payback for a successful season is not the reward on the current recruiting class but the following year class. I think the major benefit of OU playing in the CFP will be reflected in the 2017 recruiting class. IMHO It will definitely help the 2016 class but not as much as the 2-017 class.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      Maybe there are a couple of bad eggs on campus and they plan to run them off and they are trying to replace them with similar eligibility players…

      That is what I’m hoping for anyway

    • Furr-Sure says:

      I’d assume there’s transfers and attrition that we don’t know about yet.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Good to ask questions. However, after the success of 2015 (good season/not great here at OU=title or bust), we know we can trust the recruiting coordinator and the coaches right?

    • SoonerinLondon says:

      Coaches are in an all-out push to get a natty next year. They know they have a championship caliber QB and backfield. They are pressing hard for championship caliber WRs and guards.

      They are also pressing for championship caliber LBs to bring the D up to that level.

      The feeling is that next year, Baker’s last, is our best chance for the big one, so go all-out to fill any gaps.

  • Jason Vos says:

    I think Will Johnson will be the other corner opposite Jordan Thomas. He covers very well and fight off blocks extremely well.

    Maybe Dakota will be the NB

    • rainydaze114 says:

      I liked him a lot at NB. I want him to stay there.

    • Furr-Sure says:

      Maybe. I still think Mbanasorus Rex will be legit at OU. Maybe he can step it up this Spring

      • Daryl says:

        I think you have to give Austin the chance. All he did in his limited time was tackle well and get To’s.

        That Tulsa game did not give me any hope for PJ. Not to mention I remember seeing some 1on1 film of him at a Sparq or Rivals camp and all he did was get burned in every clip they showed of him.

        Though as I say all that I also said that about Ahmad Thomas and to me he was the surprise player of the year! So I hope I am wrong on PJ too.

        • Lincoln Hawk says:

          Remember to take into consideration the circumstance PJ was put in. To my knowledge, he didn’t get the first team reps all week since Thomas was suspended around Friday or so(I think). PJ was also a true freshman who hadn’t even gone through a spring or summer with the team. I think PJ will be on a whole different level this next year, that game lit a fire inside of him. He certainly has the size, speed and athletic ability to be an elite corner.

          • OU23 says:

            Agreed. I hope PJ follows Jordan Thomas’ path. Thomas struggled a lot as a freshman.

          • Rick says:

            I really liked PJ’s attitude. He had a bad game, and said he was going to work harder, and not let it happen again. I think he’s a good kid.

          • Daryl says:

            I agree with the short notice on playing Tulsa, but when you are one on one in coverage scheme goes out the window and the ability to just play is on display. Most plays he was beat on were one on one.

            Again I hope I am wrong on PJ, but lets not make it out like PJ looked lost on where to be on plays, when the reality was he was just getting beat.

          • hemisooner says:

            Those Tulsa WRs are pretty decent players. Keyarris Garrett has a lot of talent. Wished we had that guy

          • SoonerSpock says:

            Right on Hawk. PJ got no first team reps and was told he would start the night before as a true freshman against the #11 nationally ranked passing offense that uses the virtually unstoppable Baylor offensive scheme and Daryl is ready to write him off. Thank god Cooks coaches the secondary.

    • rainydaze114 says:

      I expect Austin to get the nod at the beginning of the season. He played decently well in his limited action this year.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      I don’t think it’s a given that it’ll be Austin (or even PJ), but I’m not sure they will want to move Johnson from a spot he did so well at.

  • Jason Vos says:

    Hey K , what is up with Calvin Bundage? Its like we never hear a single thing about this guy. Is he even interested in Oklahoma schools?

  • John Garner says:

    Oh, so the report that Bledsoe had committed to KU was in error. Good. Tough choice. Last place or first place. Choose wisely.

    • rainydaze114 says:

      I can appreciate the hometown draw though. Plus if he’s going somewhere other than OU, I’d rather it be to a team that won’t give the Sooners much problem over the next few years.

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        It would be tough to stay “home” with a program as bad as KU. If we’re talking KSU, or if home was TT or WVU, I’d understand. But nobody wants to go somewhere an lose all those games when they have better options.

    • RBear says:

      who reported KU?

  • Jake says:

    It’s officially the off-season…

  • Jake says:

    Kyler Murray has half the Twitter followers (50K) as the Head Coach of Oklahoma…

    I would not be offended if he would start tweeting out some love for Oklahoma and leverage his national draw for recruiting purposes.

    • Furr-Sure says:

      Maybe it’s hard for Kyler to praise anyone other than himself?

      • Jake says:

        Ahh, come on man. The kids a Sooner now, I’m willing to see if he can be healed of the Aggie-complex.

        • Furr-Sure says:

          We’ll see. I’m open to being wrong, and hope he succeeds as a Sooner.

          Sure would be nice if he showed some love for OU on twitter

      • Rene Goupillaud says:

        And you wouldn’t’ look out for your interest. Come on folks, if a player is unhappy with coaching decisions, he should move on. Standing up for yourself is the American way. 3 Qbs left, not three head coaches. Maybe the problem of s the coCh, not the kids.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Exactly. But perhaps he feels like talking in person is more effective. He ought to tell Greg Little to come on over. Little might say, I got promised a chance to start. To which Murray should say you can start four years and never reach the SEC title game or you can start 2-3 years and reach the playoffs.

  • Furr-Sure says:

    So regarding Mique Juarez…

    http://i.imgur.com/gaJerbJ.png

  • Alwaysasooner says:

    Gonna have a nervous breakdown trying to figure out what recruits r gonna committ and which aren’t. Speaking of recruiting did anyone c the list of under Armour all americans the semi final teams had. MSU-4 OU-4 Clemson-7 and Bama with 43 UA all americans crazy trying to compete with that . Finebaum said Saban best coach ever and maybe but definitely best recruiter. I would love to see Saban and Switzer have a recruiting battle to settle it to c who was best recruiter.

    • Clint Lenard says:

      He’s a great coach, but it’s easy to look like the greatest ever when you have that coaching staff and those boosters helping to pull in all those 5 star players.

    • Indy_sooner says:

      Clemson and OU have showed that with the right scheme, you can overcome deficiencies in talent. I may be in the minority but I don’t think you need 30+ 4/5 stars to compete. Discipline across the board and solid play. Even Bama had to sub out their Lines with Clemson. I don’t think you can overstate just how critical good line play is. I would have Stoops drop Venables a line on how he gets these kids to play relentlessly

      • Eddie and Amber says:

        Clemson has been recruiting top 5 to 10 classes in the last few years. Scheme is important more so for OU then Clemson. Lawson was out against us and they didn’t miss a beat. That’s the talent advantage. You don’t “need” to have 30 plus 4/5 stars but it sure as hell makes the coaches job a lot easier.

        • Indy_sooner says:

          Not going to argue with that. It’s all gravy if you have the two, but what I’m saying that it isn’t everything and certainly not as simple as saying “start getting 5 stars”. I hate to bring back Suar Bowl but we’ve beaten them with far less. This link helps shed light on things…I’d say Oklahoma has overdelivered

          http://www.sbnation.com/a/college-football-preview-2015/blue-chip-ratio

          • Eddie and Amber says:

            Good point. I think landing an elite QB can over a few other weaknesses too.

          • OU23 says:

            Clemson is performing very well of late with the blue-chippers. In 2015, Clemson had 7 top 100 players (rivals) and so far in 2016 they have 6. In 2015, OU had 1 top 100 player and so far in 2016, we have 0, although we should pick up a couple next month. I know it’s easier said than done, which is why we pay millions of dollars to coaches, it would certainly help a lot if we could start getting more of these top 100 players. Having said that, our path to the final four, as compared to an SEC team, is much easier.

          • Indy_sooner says:

            I think Clemson benefits from maximizing output from recruits. As far as the 2015 class is concerned, we were similar in overall quality via average ranking. Last year, we landed a top ten (#8) class, right below Clemson at #7 with zero 5 star recruits. We are down this year but that should change given the remaining 3-4 targets, one of whom is a 5 star

      • Kelly Gurbcock says:

        Bama has 4 NCs in the last 7 yrs. I would say you need these big time recruits. They’re hard to come by in the Big 12 lately.

        • OU23 says:

          Agreed…comparatively, the Big XII isn’t getting the same type of talent. While it makes our path to the final four easier than an SEC team, it brings us down, in my view.

        • John Garner says:

          I think the difference between us and Bama is the D-Line. Maybe the O-Line guys as well except that Bedenbaugh coaches the heck out of the kids he gets. But the Bama D-Line is virtually impenetrable (Is that spelled right?). Big-time DTs make for big-time wins.

        • Indy_sooner says:

          True. Either that or they do’t pan out.

      • SoonerSpock says:

        The real difference when you have that large number of 4*/5* kids you can consistently compete for the national championship on an annual basis as you have the depth to overcome injuries and you just reload annually.

        Alabama loses 11 seniors which include 5 of their front seven, their QB, their RB assuming Henry comes out and a WR yet the first early top 5 for 2016 has Bama at #2. They are pre-season ranked this high because the media knows how many highly ranked player and experienced players the Tide has ready to reload where needed. Clemson did the same thing after 2014 replacing the entire offensive line and nine defensive starters.

        With the quality of athlete that OU has recruited for the last 5 years the depth and the numbers are not on the roster to compete for the CFP on an annual basis. Next year? Yes, but with the departure of Perine, Mayfield, Westbrook, Ross, Baxter, Brooks, Roberts, Dimon, Wade, Jordan Thomas, Ahmad Thomas and possibly Mixon after the 2016 season we will be in a major 2-3 year rebuilding phase with a shortage of needed top talent. Hence the need to average getting the signatures of 12-15 four star/five star players annually. IMHO

        • Indy_sooner says:

          Agree on all counts, love the post btw …but I would propose starting with year 2014 for that assessment because anything before that is utter crap. Last year, we were averaged 3.58 stars alot of whom will hit the field next year. That’s half the roster comprised of 4 stars and above. The first time in a really long time that we hit that. To top it off, some of the 3 stars truly are not. Zeus, for instance is a 5 star tackle. Ditto Perine. Jordan Thomas and Sanchez were not 3 star corners. If we can keep that going, we will see the level of play rise across the board and taper off drop off when we sub in starters due to injury. Signing 10+ elite talent and 1-2 truly exceptional players on defense especially is a realistic start to expect game changing ability. I think the 5 star thing generally increases your chance of getting a truly gifted player but coaches still need to evaluate. I think for a while after 2008, we went away from these fundamental building blocks and the assistants more than dropped the ball when it came to evaluation and recruiting in general. The tide is turning and this is without my red shades on. Oklahoma in general has overachieved and the picture seems much more decisive

    • Oscar says:

      Saban doesn’t have Switzer’s charisma. (or close to it)

      • Daryl says:

        He doesn’t in the media but apparently get him in your living room and you will love the guy. Charisma only matters on the sale job face to face. I think Barry in prime vs. Saban would be awesome to watch.

        • John Garner says:

          The living room (or the dinner table). That’s where Barry won over recruits, by winning over the Moms and Pops.

          • Okie403 says:

            How much has that has changed with the breakup of the “traditional’ family makeup? Now do you have to smooze grandma and uncle instead of mom and dad? And now the girlfriend and the bff get a vote? Just rattling along sorry…

        • Walter Sobcek says:

          Barry looks, sounds and acts like a Western sheriff folk hero. Saban is whiny garden gnome who just works harder than everyone else.

      • John Garner says:

        No, he doesn’t. But damn it, he wins. A lot.

  • KJ1123 says:

    Lakawana is turning into OUs farms team.

  • Kyle Boone says:

    Trying to create a Lackawanna pipeline. Not a bad place to find guys. That’s their third prospect to offer from there this cycle, yes?

  • Ron Burgandy says:

    So, do we think OU coaches just mailed in the recruiting effort for a few years ? ?

    • Exiled In Ohio says:

      Am I remembering wrong … or did we just make the playoffs this year?

    • RBear says:

      In a way, yes. Our season was awesome but we also over-achieved according to most which is fine though- it’s a reflection of the staff (new hires especially) and the chemistry and leadership on the team.

      What I think you’re alluding to is the apparent weaknesses that were exposed vs. Clemson, size and physicality on the LOS. Yes/No?

      • Exiled In Ohio says:

        I think it’s fair to say we need to improve the talent level at some positions. But it’s a huge leap from there to conclude that the coaches are just mailing in recruiting.

        • RBear says:

          i interpreted it to say that “some” coaches weren’t as focused on recruiting as they should have been.

          wasn’t there an instance a few years back where a coach (no longer here) was on the golf course when he was supposed to have been on the road recruiting?

          i agree though, “mailed it in” is a bit strong.

          • Exiled In Ohio says:

            BS was more involved than usual last year; at least it seemed like it. Some of the new coaches had a bit of a learning curve at recruiting, but seem to be coming strong. For example, there was concern about Diron after losing Monty, but he’s been pretty aggressive this year. Last year, Cook had supposedly the best DB crop in BS’s tenure. I think the coaches are working it hard, but there are factors that make it hard to have a top 5 class every year.

  • Rick says:

    I guess it’s official (as though it wasn’t already), from a WVU site. https://twitter.com/Blue_GoldSports/status/687078982622285824

  • Oscar says:

    Some of the guys on the football team, need to take note of what Buddy Hield and Jordan Woodard have done, and that is put in MANY extra personal hours in getting better and stronger at their game. The same can be done in any sport. Push yourselves to get better, not just during sanctioned practices.

    • John Garner says:

      Agree. If you want to win during the season, put in the timer and effort in the off-season.

    • Kelly Gurbcock says:

      Need to look out for wvu btw. They can ruin a lot for us if we aren’t careful.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Do you know for a fact that the football team is not working hard?

      • Oscar says:

        I did not, and would not suggest that unless it was common knowledge. I am just saying that if you are buried on the depth chart, there is precidence for the means to climb out of obscurity. I would bet most of our guys are extremely hard workers, for that is what Bob’s environment nurtures.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Do you know for a fact that the football team is not working hard?

    • paganpink says:

      40,000 hours to greatness (or mastery of any topic)? Of course. But talent can and does make up for some of that with young men who simply haven’t been alive long enough to be at their best, wouldn’t you agree?

  • Kelly Gurbcock says:

    At Colorado, McCarthy would offer every kid that Nebraska offered. I say we use the same tactic with Bama and even Baylor WRs.

    • Jofield says:

      Its best not to take recruiting pointers from 30 for 30 documentaries.

    • paganpink says:

      That’s exactly what you do when you have more trust in other coaching teams then your own. We’re not in that category.

  • RBear says:

    I replied to a post in the Sooner News Daily thread about this but it’ll probably get buried and not receive the response(s) I’m hoping to get from the brain-trust here that is you guys/gals.

    In conversations surrounding our WR corps next year and how we replace the likes of Shep, Neal and Co., I rarely, if ever, see anyone mentioning John Humphrey. IMO, he’ll factor into our game plan/schemes quite well.

    Thoughts?

    http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209874446&DB_OEM_ID=31000

  • RBear says:

    I replied to a post in the Sooner News Daily thread about this but it’ll probably get buried and not receive the response(s) I’m hoping to get from the brain-trust here that is you guys/gals.

    In conversations surrounding our WR corps next year and how we replace the likes of Shep, Neal and Co., I rarely, if ever, see anyone mentioning John Humphrey. IMO, he’ll factor into our game plan/schemes quite well.

    Thoughts?

    http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209874446&DB_OEM_ID=31000

  • SoonerinLondon says:

    Football is a damn funny game. If Arkansas doesn’t complete the desperation, over-the-back pass on 4th & 22, Bama isn’t even in the final four. OU would have played MSU, Ohio State or Stanford and Nick Saban would not be the best coach of all time.

    Instead, though, it did happen and he is.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      That ball bounces funny.

      • cush creekmont says:

        Aikman steps out of bounds on a sure TD against Miami (14-0 instead of 7-7 after blocked FG); SC gets lucky in 73 for 7-7 tie; and Sims fumble at NU in 78 – 3 plays & 3 more NCs for Switzer.

      • SoonerinLondon says:

        They should make it round. That would make the bounces truer.

        • MoJoOkie says:

          That’s funny; I live in Kentucky (basketball 24/7/365) and I’m always telling them it’s a perfectly round ball, bounces right straight back up if you drop it, how hard can it be?

    • RBear says:

      no he isn’t 😉

      • bjwalker82 says:

        Let’s recount the grand victories while at Bama. Coltless Texas, Notre Dame (mmkay), LSU (a divisional opponent? Da Fuh), and Clemson (a good team)

    • rphokc says:

      msu and the mich punter, parker and the tipped tcu pass, et al……..the charm/fun of cfb………but you’re correct, the arky play was beyond strange/amazing……watched the game and couldn’t believe it

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      That’s why I don’t buy into all the talk that OU needs to make massive improvements to win a title. We could have this year. Like you said, Clemson had some games they should have lost. Bama too. OU could have have beaten UT and had a higher seed and a 1st game in Dallas. OU just needs to keep getting better, and improving overall talent and depth, but we aren’t far off.

      • rphokc says:

        ou flirted with losses…..tenn, tcu

        • Daryl says:

          You are correct but I agree that
          “OU just needs to keep getting better, and improving overall talent and depth, but we aren’t far off.”

        • Brad Warren says:

          I would say rounding third base is a more accurate description of those two. Lol.

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          I don’t worry about Tenn. We were a completely different team there. And the TCU game just shows how important the QB position really is. Mayfield doesn’t get hurt, we win that game easily.

      • Furr-Sure says:

        At some point OU’s o-line was going to be challenged. They hung tough vs. Tennessee but against Clemson they had problems.

        I’d argue that would’ve been an issue against any elite team. Mainly Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, Stanford, or Mich. State.

        The good news is that the o-line is in great shape going forward

    • Walter Sobcek says:

      Nick Saban may be one of the all-time greats, but he’s also one of the luckiest.

      • SoonerSpock says:

        Great coach but his biggest break, prue luck, was getting the LSU job. He had to to an outstanding selling job and the LSU AD bought it. Prior to LSU Saban was at Michigan State for 5 seasons, 1995-99. His record was 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6 and 9-2 for an overall record of 35-24-1. Nothing in his performance on the field indicated he was a great coach. At least based on what Mark Dantonio has accomplished at MSU (3 conference titles and 9 bowl games in 9 years).

        Except for 1999 when Saban went 9-2 his record was virtually identical to that of his predecessor with .541 winning percentage compared to George Pearles’ .504. overall and .589 vs .557 in conference games.

        Give Nick credit though he parlayed his 9-2 record in 1999 to one heck of a career.

    • Clint Lenard says:

      Lots of if’s and’s or but’s, unfortunately. I still believe that if OU didn’t fall asleep on that fake punt vs. Clemson they would’ve been in the big game. Unfortunately these things happen. Stoops wouldn’t have a NC if [X] didn’t make that great play or [X] didn’t lose. Or Saban wouldn’t have gotten his first NC if Clayton catches that pass in the endzone. GOD I HATE FOOTBALL NOW.

      • Clint Lenard says:

        Until next season.

      • Brad Warren says:

        That would’ve been an all time incredible catch. I still think we could’ve just ran it in. That’s how we got all the way down the field. Kejuan Jones had their tired DL on their heels. Long gave them a reprieve with 4 straight pass calls.

    • j l says:

      This is the 1st title since 09 i believe they truly earned. Which they might not have even won had colt not gotten hurt.

      They backdoored into the 2011 and 2013 title games. Luck is absolutely a huge factor in his success.

    • AmaGoh7 says:

      I posted these same sentiments in a Crimson Tide thread and this is all I got: crickets chirping. No one touched my comment. They were LUCKY !

  • Walter Sobcek says:

    I’m overseas, so just now go to see the champ game. Good grief – Clemmy blew that one didn’t they? Seemed to me they had the better team, just made crucial mistakes. Guess it’s poetic justice that they got burned by a fake kick. Will always wonder how Baker and our receivers might have done against Bama’s man-to-man defense.

  • cush creekmont says:

    Saw this – not a surprise to most of us. Lawrence Phillips dead in prison.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2016/01/13/lawrence-phillips-death-prison/78742058/

    Link trouble….

  • Jeff says:

    So the LB’s are a issue now? Not good

  • Dustin says:

    Rivals has White as a Dec. grad. When do classes start?
    Who the hell is DJ Khaled?

  • Robertson / Robertson 2016 says:

    Hi, fellas (and fellettes)! Been out of pocket since the Clemson loss. I’ve been so excited, I’m telling ya. I couldn’t wait to catch-up on all the offseason I’ve missed. The calendar is just so full of promise:

    Hooray for January and the holiday hangover!
    Hooray for February for…uh. Well. Yeah!
    Hooray for St. Patty’s Month!
    Hooray for Easter/Spring Game Month!
    Hooray for Live-In-a-Hole-Because-the-Sky-Is-Trying-to-Kill-You Month!

    Throw the confetti and fart your horns! God rested on the seventh day of the week, and so basketball had airtime! Woo-hoo-hooey.

  • michael hammond says:

    Just not getting the 5*’s. OU can coach up the 3 and 4 stars but in the end these elite teams are loaded with 5’s and it shows up on the field.

  • Stephen woods says:

    New article posted

  • soonerinks says:

    Saw where Lawrence Phillips (former Cornhusker RB) was found dead in his cell either last night or this morning. Huge waste of enormous talent.

    • BoomerDave says:

      Does that mean he is still on the market, recruiting wise?

      • SoonerSpock says:

        Possible but more likely he just did not graduate from Highland C. C. Had he decommitted he would probably announced such not TCU

  • SCKSChief says:

    Guys…this Big 12 business is awful. Keeping 10 teams and a guaranteed rematch in the Championship game? Who can think this is wise? Beating the pants off a team you’ve already beaten doesn’t help you. Think OU beating OSU again this year would have helped them? Bad decision, B12. If Boren supports this, I am highly disappointed.

    • Boomerborn79 says:

      Scrap the round robin. Split into two 5 team divisions. Play 4 in game division, 4 cross division games, 4 non conference games. Every B12 team shaves an extra loss that the round robin gives. OU can use that extra OOC game to schedule Neb, Usc, Fsu’s of the world. Get back to having 1 cup cake,1 mid and two power 5 teams on schedule. Season ticket holders like me get to see bigger potential match ups. And the BIg 12 can go out and play more big games. ksu vs Aub is much more appealing than Ksu vs Isu for that 9 th game. Think! If UT, Ksu,Isu wouldn’t have had that extra loss from round robin and possible win from an easier game then 9/10 teams would have been in bowls. More exposure, higher opp. Win %, more teams ranked! it’s an all around win. CCG will be two higher rated teams. MORE MONEY, MORE UPGRADES, MORE EXPOSURE.

      • SCKSChief says:

        Or just more B12 teams to LOSE bowl games. I don’t think 10 teams is the answer. Love the round robin, hate the 10-team league. I don’t think adding additional cupcake games helps anyone.

        • Boomerborn79 says:

          Problem is. With this passing the Big 12 is not going to expand, we’re not going to leave. It give the B12 an advantage with ten. Now why would we want to play a round robin, when you could scrap being forced to play ISU,KU,KSU every year drop one and add a more intriguing power 5 match up. Also we could get back to having 6/7 home games instead of 5/6 every year.

          • SCKSChief says:

            The B12 signed its own death warrant when they failed to keep pace when all the changes were happening nationally. I don’t think anything, besides expansion, is more than a bandaid…hell, expansion may just be a bandaid at this point. Truth of the matter is, until teams like Baylor, OU, TCU, Texas and Ok St start not only mashing people in the regular season, but handling business in bowls, this conference is going to be seen as inferior. Like it or not, the stigma is still there with Baylor and with TCU. Funny thing is, they are two of the B12’s paltry bowl wins. Lastly, I’m not sure how your home games goes up, unless you anticipate complete, Georgia State type, cupcakes every year. IMO that should and will hurt B12 schools. Only the SEC can get away with that nonsense.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        Okay. But the second power 5 opponent can be a Penn st, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Colorado etc…

  • Nate Broadus says:

    Personally, I’m glad we’re going the JUCO route.

    One area that doesn’t often get discussed, or is overlooked (surprisingly) is that JUCOs often have a leg up on high school kids in one key area: they’re already on a college weight program.

    Does this mean they are in “OU” shape? Hell naw — but it does mean that these guys are more likely to be physically ready for the rigors of a long season from jump street than the kid out of high school who might have all-world talent someday, but still needs to put on about 30lbs.

    There is no time to waste — if OU is going for a championship, they need as many first day contributors as possible and they just have to cross their fingers that some of them will be difference makers. We have Baker Mayfield for one more year — this isn’t the time to be thinking about taking a class full of guys that might be good and ready to go in a few years.

    OU going down the JUCO path means they are recruiting for TODAY (or rather, this upcoming season — not down the road a bit). I am deliriously thrilled that this is so.

    • soonerbred4ever says:

      I hadn’t thought of that recruiting angle. That may just be their thinking. Snyder had some pretty good teams going the juco route.

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    Big 12 gets a title game…if they want it.

    • SCKSChief says:

      Honestly feel that cheapens what they currently do. Right now they have the “we play EVERYONE in our conference” argument. I don’t see how massaging that into a cheap title game helps. What a cluster of a conference.

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