Open Post | Tuesday, Dec. 22nd
Posted on: December 22, 2015
Image of Dwayne Orso via Scout
– Dwayne Orso: Just a couple days ago the Sooners got a little thinner at the OT position following Bob Stoops’ announcement that talented redshirt freshman Kenyon Frison was no longer with the program.
However, I spoke with a source who confirmed that now former defensive end Dwayne Orso has flipped over to the offensive side of the ball and is now working out at offensive tackle. Which is a move some expected may happen at some point during his time in Norman, considering his size, athleticism, and upside many believed he could have on that side of the ball when OU was recruiting him.
For whatever it’s worth, I was also told Orso made the switch to offensive line a couple weeks ago. – (Super K)
– Baylen Buchanan: As you’re probably aware, 2016 CB Baylen Buchanan (Suwanee, GA) decommitted from Louisville yesterday. This was significant since the Sooners have been pursuing Buchanan for a while and were thought to be the favorite to land him for some time now. You may recall Buchanan took a visit to Norman earlier this fall and raved afterwards about the trip to TFB.
The problem, however, is Buchanan may have waited too long. Yesterday morning we mentioned how close Parnell Motley may be to a commitment, which then came to fruition later that same day when he committed to the Sooners.
Which led us to ask around as to available remaining DB spots in this 2016 class and it sounds like, at least as of right now, the Sooners are full at the defensive back position and wouldn’t have room for Buchanan.
However, that could absolutely change if, for example, OU were to have another departure of a current DB (like we saw with Marcus Green recently). Or if the coaches were to make room elsewhere in order to accommodate taking Buchanan at some point. – (Brandon)
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I appreciate your commitment to the program and reserved your spot 😉
appreciate my spot for sure !!
Bless your heart……
Pretty sure Cooks was saying all along to get the spot while it is open!
yep.
Sorry but not sorry. Ive never had that distinction. Life.complete.
Yea but take in consideration that Cobb or Motley can/could end up being a WR at OU then we can technically take another DB, IMO of course.
My thoughts exactly, Brien.
Just my opinion I have thought motley would be on the offensive side.. I think Cobb is gonna be a solid corner with mbanasor across from him in 2 years! I’m excited for the future!!
Strange that they were pursuing another corner prior to green’s departure. Unless that was expected all along.
I’d bet he told Bob of his plans months ago
Its 9.04 and texsa and clemsa still suck BOOMERRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s 919 and Clemson still sucks.
any chance they are looking at Motley as a WR and they bring Buchanan in anyways?
I bet coaches feel really good about the D line depth thats why they could make such a move for Orso.
Personally I think Jordan Phillips would have been a better OT than DT
He’s playing in the NFL as a Defensive Tackle. I don’t mean to sound rude, but the guy is obviously better as a DT if that’s where he’s playing in the NFL. He may have had potential as an OT, but I think that’s where the convo has to end IMO.
And he’s doing very well at that
Move Stanvon Taylor to WR and get another DB problem solved:)
Would the coaches make room for Brandon Burton or has that ship sailed?
If Burton came they would make room he is listed like Motley as an athlete so yea they would take him not sure that ship has sailed but I think it would be hard to get him from UCLA.
Yeah I knew he would be a tough get being from the high school he’s from.
But OU is good at getting a surprise year to year.
There are a couple of Cali kids I wouldn’t mind being a surprise commit this year.
Juarez, Jack Jones, Burton would be nice. Price would be a good get the biggest pf surprises would be a Cleveland or Oliver flip.
Yeah those two would be huge!
Dabo’s scouts.
Regarding our remaining, available scholarships, I wonder how many silent commits have one reserved?
I’d actually expect OU to oversign and with attrition in the spring the #’s will work themselves out.
I was hoping J Esco would see my post and comment, my hope is we have three to four silent committers already…
Think it been speculated that we have 3-4 silent commit’s not sure who seems Kelly is one been speculated that includes Bledsoe, Southall, and Moore but Velus was rumored to be a silent and now who knows.
Kelly and ? that may be the only one.
Juarez from USC.
I’ve wondered over the last year, if this might be a new recruiting approach. Recruit as many stellar defensive players as possible. Then move the remainder to the offensive side of the ball. One true QB and rb, then fit everything else in place.
yOU can always slot elite athletes where you need them.
And give them NFL careers in the process, aka, Blake Bell
and Lane Johnson.
And Jamaal Brown.
Some of OU’s best players were athletes with no real position when they came to Norman.
” you snooze ; you lose ” unless Sanchez declares for the draft……….
https://twitter.com/AP_Top25/status/679326292022575105
So with Orso moving does that free up a ship on the d line? I’m saving the reciever ship for a Cleveland or Davis I think that decommitted from A&M. I’m not taking Buchanan over those two guys.
IMHO Davis and Wims are the two best bets for WR. Both look really good.
Yea we get Davis and Wims in this class what seemed to be a struggle will be a nice victory for the coaches to snag them.
Time for Cale to live up to his rep and Simmons to earn his keep
Velus Jones is still just as strong an option for OU as any other WR…
I think Orso can develop into another NFL caliber offensive lineman.
Orso flipping, is basically because we’re thin….paperthin at OL. Our offense doesn’t move as well as it does without our starting 5. Injuries left us strapped. One of our OL, not a starter, is out with a possible head injury, one of our starters is still nursing a shoulder injury and they actually plugged in another true freshman to help out our rotation. It was looking a little sketchy up until yesterday. Just gotta stay healthy for another week, possibly two.
Kj, are they really considering burning a red shirt this late in the season?
I dont think so…I think the move was basically to help out the rotation in practice. Some guys weren’t getting breathers because we basically had nobody else.
KJ any thoughts on John Humphrey I know we have talked about kids stepping up next season and seems if I remember correctly we was high on him coming out. Seems he did some good things in practice and in the spring just like what I heard about him coming in. Any insight or knowledge about him?
He had more drops than any other reciever last spring from what I remember.
Thats what I remember as well
True freshman tho and redshirted just asking of his progress cause obviously he got open a lot to be able to drop so many passes.
I hear he has legit 10.2 100 meter speed. Just get the ball in his hands on a reverse or something and watch him turn on the jets.
Catching the ball is a natural skill, not one that can be taught. It’s like speed, you either have it or don’t.
I haven’t heard a whole lot, the drops were an issue, even into camp. But it’s nothing he can’t work on in the winter and spring. We have a good freshman wr class, I’m super excited to see who separates themselves from that group in the off-season.
and hopefully thru two more games
Which true freshman was plugged in
Ford
I’ve always thought Ford was a beast of a blocker. He’s just nasty.
Any word on how Orso is doing. Will he be expected to back up thru the playoffs. He is athletic but doubt he has the tech down and we will be going against some of the best DEs in the business. Fortunately he has been practicing with and going up against some as well
Right now he’s on the scout team obviously, I think he would make a really good OL in my opinion. And to be honest, we’re getting deeper and deeper at DL, I would take it and run with it.
Yeah I do to…just curious about the OT depth for the playoffs with the move before spring
Honestly….were thin. The offense and game play is tailored not only to the strength of the skill positions but the OLs ability to effectively zone block. The starting 5 are obviously the best at that. The rest of the two deep have trouble with it. So we would need to scrap alot of the gameplan if one of them go down.
Hopefully Orso picks the tech up fast…but if he running scout then he is working our starters..hopefully he is giving them some good competition to keep them sharp
And when I mean thin….I don’t mean numbers wise….I mean quality. I hate to put it those terms but it’s the truth.
We still have that hole left by Patton and Kittles. Coach B is getting us there though.
Yes, definitely closing that gap. I think the difference between this year and next year will be huge as far as quality is concerned. I believe well be in good shape.
are we healthy enough to win the next two games? all I’m worried about right now
If you are going to get ready to play OT at OU, as you say, you can get all the experience you need playing opposite Striker, Tapper etc. to get you ready.
Yeah going up against Tapper Striker Walker Bond and Dimon will make you better. With the move before spring I was just wondering how immediate the need was
I have confidence that Coach BB will get our guys prepped, even with the teams ahead likely planning on attacking our OL weaknesses. Is the depth issue as bad as it was for the 2014 Sugar Bowl?
I dont think our starting 5 is a weakness to be honest. They’re actually a strength in knowing how our offense runs and how Baker operates. The media plays it up because of our youth and the Texas game. For example, if lets say, Samia gets beat on a certain pass play, he understands that he would rather give the DE the inside (which is contrary to most coaching) because if Baker needs to bail that allows him more room to operate than if Samia gets beat on the edge and Baker has to step up. Obviously the goal is not to get beat, but it’s just an example of how cerebral our starting 5 has become and how well they know their QB.
Yes, OL has been out Achilles Heel all season. We’ve seen a lot of improvement in Brown and Samia over the year, but we are paper thin at OL.
I am both fascinated and baffled with Orso-Bacchus being moved to OT. A quick look at the OTs and DTs that aren’t seniors and including Orso as an OT(roster still has him at DT), there appear to be 10 DTs and 8OTs returning. Also, we have two OL commits and one DT.
I trust the coaches and hope Orso has bought into it.
I guess if we are running mainly three man fronts 10 DT’s is quite a lot.
Yeah we have 5 for next year that I would feel comfortable playing
Would we run 3 man front against Bama? I can see it against Clemson though.
You definitely need some depth. But if you are running a three man front most games, you are going to need fewer DT’s and more LB’s and NB’s on scholarship. Otherwise, you end up with a bunch of guys who never end up playing because there are not enough snaps to go around.
We would prob use more true 34 and Will prob won’t play as much. Might see more PL also…opps that was for Oracle lol
We would prob use more true 34 and Will prob won’t play as much. Might see more PL also for sure but might go 43..it will be interesting to see what Diron comes up with
Yeah, PL is great in heavy sets. Talk about an under rated guy – PL.
He’s done quite well this year imo
True. Some are NTs, they just aren’t listed as such on the roster.
Orso is a very talented young man, hope the move works to everyone’s advantage.
Well we also have seven guys listed as DE’s. So that’s seventeen guys for three slots. Assuming you run a three man front the numbers are about 11 scholarships for DL. .
I’m hoping his size and athleticism turns him into a monster OT like Super K said many had projected for him. Stoops has a great track record in doing just this.
Its probably a good move for him. Quality athletic OL men are a high premium in the NFL. This move might just eventually make Dwayne a very wealthy man.
It worked out for Jammal Brown. I wouldn’t mind a similar outcome here.
Lane Johnson was at DE briefly as well
I think Lane Johnson played every position at some point in his college career. He was a QB in JUCO.
Davin Joseph was another DL that excelled when he switched to OL.
Good catch
Think Jamal Brown, I hope. I don’t blame the coaches because the only OT I see is Bobby Evans, and maybe Mettermeier. New guys coming in will need to prove themselves. Again, hope Orso is pumped about OT and see a huge future in front of him.
With the Orso move, it would really be interesting to see who on the OL is coming along outside the starters. For example, don’t hear much about Paul or Danley. Curious if Daimler or Grant stay.
You take him Motley could play WR
Super K. Any WR or LBs committed or on the board that can be early enrollees ?
I believe Mbem-Bosse is a mid year LB http://247sports.com/player/elysee-mbem-bosse-78550
He would be a nice surprise..
Orso flipping based on the need at OL, but may also symbolize the level of talent and our depth at DL.
I think this is the most likely scenario. He’s probably behind Romar, Wade, Que, Gallimore, and Lampkin.
I thought he played DE in the 34
Yes, I thought he played DT, my reading comprehension isn’t up to stuff today
Have another cup of Joe
I need it, I got a nice hour or so last night.
work sick or baby
watched MNF, fell asleep for an hour and heard all kinds of commotion outside, turns out some drunks were walking down the road but the way the neighbors dogs were barking they were in our yard maybe so I had a nice adrenaline rush going the rest of the night
Was it Blackmon
Anybody have any idea what’s going on with Amani Bledsoe? That’s been the most quiet recruitment I’ve ever seen.
Hansen and Neuse 2nd Team Preseason All-Americans
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=210596396
Orso looks like Jim Brown on The Running Man lol
*Orso
refresh
LOL. Don’t wanna piss anyone off around here.
There are typos, and there are really bad typos. LOL!!!
auto-corrected I bet
Yeah I corrected right away…auto correct got me..it doesn’t show for y’all until you refresh
though it’s not bad since his hair has the white strip in the middle I thought it might actually be his nickname forgetting the bad connotation involved
that would be hilarious if it was
that would be hilarious if it was
Well now you have us all curious what you typed.
Orso was changed to a brand of cookie
Oreo.. got it thanks! : )
NP you’re welcome
Jim has two stripes..but he’s Jim freakin Brown
Didn’t have time to read all the way down so sorry if this has already been asked but does the Orso transition effect recruiting numbers at all? Not how many but more about what positions we are looking for or even with the transition are we sll looking to take the same numbers at DL and OL
I LOVE the move of Orso to OT. Superior athleticism and size. I think it speaks more to what Coach Bedenbaugh thinks he can do with him, along with the fact that you have Farniok and St. John graduating. Ashton Julious, the Juco tackle we got is legit, so it gives you some really solid depth out there. I really like the fact that Bedenbaugh shows through recruiting and situations like this that competition rules the day.
No way we can rotate now but hopefully next year we will have this ability. Julious, Evans, now Orso along with Dru & Brown. Major upgrade if all works out.
Who do you think will be the starting 5 OL next season?
Hope you don’t mind! Not JY but hoping to find out the answer to this as well so I am taking a shot at it and we will see if JY gives me a thumbs up or down on my guess!
RT – Samia
RG – Julious
C – Alvarez (with Dalton hurt right now so not counting him)
LG – Cody Ford (Alvarez if Dalton plays Center)
LT – Zeus Brown
Maybe he’ll become another Jammal Brown type player. That move turned out ok.
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JY what are the odds he can pass both Samia and Brown or does he focus on just one side?
The odds of that are zero, but I doubt he was moved to OT with any thoughts of him starting. He can go from 3rd or 4th string on defense, to a solid backup on offense.
I am with you and don’t see him passing the other two but I would love for him too! If he comes in with his athleticism and just blows there minds to the point they just have to play him, then I could see playing him at LT and moving big Zeus over to RT and slide Samia into Guard. A few people thought Samia would play Guard in college(got that bit of nasty you need at Guard in him) and that would be a pretty dominant right side of the line!
JY what are the odds he can pass both Samia and Brown or does he focus on just one side?
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Can I just ask this: I know we should get excited when a player commits to Oklahoma. But I don’t understand why we are not a major player in the more highly rated players. We have 0 5-star (Rivals/247Sports) committed. Looking at the players our most highly rated player is #10 Juco and (#117 Rivals/#157 247Sports).
Now, I get that recruiting rankings mean very little (to a point.) I did some analysis on how many 1st round draft picks were 5 and 4 star players and was surprised. That being said, many of the 5-star players we have missed out on in the past few years have been major contributors at their college choices (Malachi Dupree, Adoree Jackson, Malik Jefferson…just to name a few).
I still see our recruiting to be an area of concern. Top flight players don’t come here anymore. The reason Alabama is where they are every year is because they recruit. We have to get better at recruiting top flight talent if we want to to stay at an elite level. Our players look alright, but they are not the blue chippers we need if we want to be a final four type team nearly every year.
Thoughts???
I think we got 5* Joe Mixon and we’re about to get 5* Caleb Kelly. There aren’t many 5* recruits out there every year, almost ALL of them are out of state (states other than OK) and the competition for them is fierce. Those are my “thoughts”
There are also those 5* we have like Trey Metoyer, Brandon Williams, and Dorial Green-Beckham. Oh, wait.
Bomar and AD in the same year – 50% payoff seems to be the best when it comes to those 5*, can’t miss, recruits.
And Mack-daddy had bags full of them, yet it was his 3* QB that battled our 3* QB for a spot in the 2008 NC.
Yeah, some coaches are good at taking decent talent and putting together great teams (Bob Stoops) and others are good at taking great talent and putting together decent teams (Mack Brown). I think I’ll take Bob’s method.
But Scout had Bradford ranked as a 4*.
As DC mentioned we’ve landed 5 star guys and with the way recruiting works, some of the guys we land just won’t break to top 100 in those rankings because of who OU is right now. It’s also the reason you see our commits fall if they are in the top 100. Kendall was a top 70 guy this time last year but fell last summer.
Also there’s a limited number of 5 stars, only about 30 each year. With tosu, lsu, bama, Georgia and USC landing half if not 2/3 of those kids. Our goal each year needs to be to find the right guys for our system and not chase stars. Find 2 or 3 of the 5 star guys, circle them and say “we want you” and you hope to land one of those guys.
Also deberry was a 5 star on scout I think.
Just adding to your point, one of the primary reasons the tOsu, lsu, bama, Georgia and USC’s regularly land these guys are because they live in that particular state.
True….unless you’re Ole Miss. I believe Ole Miss is about to bring NCAA scrutiny down on their program and there will be a domino effect on the entire conference (again). The ESPN 30 for 30 on the Rise and Fall of Ole Miss should be epic.
“The Rise and Fall of Ole Miss and Their Bagmen”
ESPN will make sure that doesn’t happen. NCAA doesn’t have the clout it has had in the past. The SEC has threatened multiple times they will align with the power 5 and form our own governing body. NCAA is scared to touch anything in the SEC.
ESPN doesn’t have as much clout as it had in the past either.
The state of georgia has produced 5-6 5 stars each year the last 3 years. Imagine how much easier recruiting would be if that was the case in oklahoma lol.
Dont see how georgia sucks, but they do!
Maybe they just don’t pay as well.
They land their fair share of them, georgia is always ranked high in recruiting. According to 247 talent composite, georgia has the #6 collection of talent in the country…and are unranked in the polls lol.
For real! Can you imagine if Bob had that kind of talent pool in his backyard?
I’m really not with you at all. OUr skilled players are as good as they are anywhere. OUr D line is STACKED, OUr initial O line is improving and very young. I would not trade Baker for any QB in the nation, I would not trade Shep, I would not trade Perine/Mixon/Anderson, I think OUr LB’s are as strong as any in the nation. If you want to point out 2 areas of concern, it’s the O line, inexperienced and thin depth wise and the defensive backfield which I see as improving. We definately had some holes, but they “are” getting filled. I’m thinking OUr “blue chippers” are being shaped, not bought at this point.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This.
Great football players come from all star levels of the spectrum. The focus on 4*/5* kids occurs because of he numbers game of 85 limit on scholarships. If you were to analyze the recruiting classes of the top 20 teams in the country and identify what percentage of 5*,4* and 3* kids become stars, super stars and NFL players you would find that a much greater percentage of 5* players reach those plateaus than do 4* players. And a much greater percentage of 4* players accomplish those levels than 3* players.
Hence the major programs focus on the 5*/4* kids because over time they will not have as many misses. Accordingly, a few years back I analyzed the 2001-2010 recruiting classes and determined that about 75% of the 5* players were active contributors to the team, approximately 50% of the 4* players did the same. It was 25% for the 3* players.
Additionally I looked at the OU 2011-2015 recruiting classes which you cannot get a definitive result now because many kids still have multiple years to achieve success on the playing field. But YTD using the above criteria I determined star success 5* 50%, 4* 60* and 3* 51%. These number has a significant disparity from those calculated for 2001-2010. This is primarily because the 2011-2015 recruiting classes have about 20% fewer 5*/4* signees and about 10% more 3* signees in the classes. Also I defined Keith Ford, Brandon Williams and Trey Metoyer, all 5* as bust, despite their getting on the field and contributing in their first year or two.
I defined an active contributor as a player in the rotation on either offense, defense and special teams. My logic is even if a 5* player only played on special teams for 1-4 years he was definitely a contributor and the coaching staff would not consider that a wasted scholarship. I figured the staff needed 50-60 players to contribute on the field over the course of a season when injuries are factored in. The other 25-35 were really focused on scout team production.
If you look at the final polls at seasons end and the recruiting ranking the same teams dominate both list (Alabama, Ohio State, Florida State, USC and LSU). USC hasn’t been a consistent contender for some time. But that is primarily because they lost 30 scholarships to probation and have not yet made up the numbers along with their coaching issues having been as bad as it can be.
Using 247Sports Composite ranking because that ranking is the aggregate average of Rivals, Scout, ESPN and 247 I determined percent of 4*5* signees for the 2013, 2014 and 2015 recruiting classes of the top programs. They were Alabama 59%, USC 57%, tOSU 54%, LSU 49%, Georgia 43%, Clemson 43%, FSU 41%, Oregon 38%, OU 28% and Michigan State 31%. Very strong correlation to percent of star players and final team ranking. Also Michigan State, OU and Oregon were the only school that consistently overachieved their recruiting ranking and that has to be attributed to evaluation and coaching.
To me, a five star rating doesn’t mean much. Give me a stable full of four star guys who are going to go out and prove their worth.
Baker, Shep, Striker etc > 5*
I understand your concern but there is only so much that the coaches can do. The one thing that OU has going for it is its brand name which frankly means less and less as years go by without NCs. Kids look for fancy uniforms, beaches and palm trees, false promises and what have you done lately. OU and Bob Stoops isnt about all that glitz. I doubt we’ll be getting a lot of 5 stars but what hopefully we WILL be getting are very good athletes that have their heads together and that have a strong desire to bring OU more National Championships.
And I will agree that having heads in the right place is huge. I want 5 stars with heads in the right place!
Curious, did you think Bradford had a decent career at OU?
What’s your point here? When did he say you couldn’t win with 3 and 4 star guys?
He said he wanted 5 stars with heads in the right place. I asked a simple question – that OK with you?
We’re regularly in the top 15 or so in class ranking. I do think, as we proved in the early 2000’s, if we can pull in a top 10 class on a yearly basis to go along with solid coaching then we’ll regular visitors to the playoffs.
Last year, on an average of star, we finished 8th in the nation. Not bad for going 8-5.
I would prefer a team full of hungry 4 stars with great team chemistry and a burning desire to win over a group of self-entitled prima donna 5 stars like TA&M assembled and imploded with.
Or like we have had and they imploded: Trey Metoyer, Brandon Williams, and Dorial Green-Beckham, or going back farther Rhett Bomar, Marcus Dupree, etc.
True enough. Great observation, as always Mr. Edwards.
And yet here we are.
No we want to be Texas and Mack Brown and win our championships in February rather than December and January.
Alright, I missed Mixon. But that is 1 5-star player. You have to go back to 2011 to see any other 5 star recruits (Metoyer and Brandon Williams.) Look at our championship level success those years. Top end talent makes a difference.
Wasn’t Ford also a 5 star? And Blake Bell the number 1 pro QB his year?
247Sports and Scout had Ford as a 5*. Rivals and ESPN ranked him as a 4*.
And how many championships did those two help us win?
Your last statement makes sense. However, you may be overrating the rating services. If they were THAT good, the 5*s would have fewer misses.
Before rating services, top programs got top players. After rating services, top programs get top players.
Your last statement makes sense. However, you may be overrating the rating services. If they were THAT good, the 5*s would have fewer misses.
Before rating services, top programs got top players. After rating services, top programs get top players.
It’s interesting if you go back and look at it. Most of our 5* recruits amounted to pretty much nothing. Look at the 2008 class. Three 5* (Jermie Calhoun, RJ Washington, and Stephen Good). None of those guys amounted to anything.
Mike Reed was a 5* in 2007 and didn’t amount to anything.
Demarcus Granger was a 5* and was never great.
Rhett Bomar and Chris Patterson were 5* washouts.
We’ve had a lot more failure with 5* recruits than successes. When I think of 5* reruits that have succeeded here, I think of Gerald Mccoy, Tommie Harris, and Adrian Peterson. That’s pretty much it….
You ain’t lying. OU has always done better with 3 & 4 star guys that are talented and hungry.
Just look at this current team, largely bolstered by what could turn out to be one of OU’s all-time great recruiting classes in 2014.
Jonathan Alvarez **
Mark Andrews ****
Zeus Brown ***
Dimitri Flowers ***
Steven Parker ****
Samaje Perine ****
Jordan Thomas ***
Joe Mixon *****
Only 5-star in the bunch was Mixon, yet all of those guys have been instrumental in OU’s Playoff season.
There is a lot of disparity in the 5* ranking of the various recruiting services. For instance I identified 23 5* Scout recruits that were not ranked 5* by Rivals. Many of those most of us would assume were four star but fact are not according to one of the most reputable recruitings services. Some of those names follow.
Keith Ford, Brennan Clay, Justin McCay, Kenny Stills, Corey Nelson, Ronnell Lewis, Mo Dampeer, Gabe Lynn, Jamarcus MacFarland, Justin Johnson, DeMarco Murray, Malcolm Kelly, Reggie Smith, Chijioke Onyenegecha, Tony Cade, Brodney Pool, Jason Carter, Mike Hawkins, Donte Nicholson, Blake Bell, Jordan Phillips, Nathan Hughes and Rick DeBerry.
Of the above 23 18 were productive, very productive or stars for at least one year and Ricky DeBerry has only redshirted this year. Several like Keith Ford, Mo Dampeer and Tony Cade just could not pay the price to be Sooners but the staff would have loved to have kept them Sooners. Justin McCay left for family reasons and Stoops did everything he could do to help effect the change.
Calculate it any way you want to but at least 65% of those were keepers and Stoops woud tell you the same. It is just that we as fans are disappointed because they did not meet ours, the staff’s and the media’s hopes.
I can identify another 15 or so 5* not mentioned above and we maintain about the same hit rate with Joe Mixon, R,J. Washington, Stephen Good, Pasha Jackson, Lance Mitchell, Zach Latimer, Adrian Peterson, Demarcus Granger, Ryan Reynolds and Gerald McCoy all being productive players for the Sooners.
By my count that is 30-33 players that this coaching staff would love to have a facsimile of on their roster any year. 4* and 3* recruits just have not produced at same rate as has the 5* recruits.
Let’s not go far down this road. The only way to retort would involve denigrating those guys. They are Sooners — I don’t feel like trying to make a point by doing anything to diminish what they did at OU.
All I know is, OU’s most important contributors on this team and 2000 were not 5-star guys. They were all talented, just not at the tip top of any/many recruiting rankings. This could be for a number of reasons.
I like to think Stoops is at his best when he has a team full of guys who are overlooked and hungry. Probably because that describes Bob Stoops in a nutshell. He was exactly one of those players once: too small, not fast enough, yet got by on sheer balls, intelligence and a strong work ethic.
He has that this year. Aside from Mixon, there isn’t a 5-star among this group. There are even a couple of 2 & 3-star guys in OU’s active roster. OU is playing the best ball in college football this season and they are doing it with what recruiting services consider a couple of good-to-great players and guys who shouldn’t be playing the way they have been playing (based on the rankings).
Stars are a hype — it’s window dressing until they get to campus and show out. You don’t have to stop trying to land a 5-star, they just don’t guarantee anything. They still have to lace up and play the game, same as a 3-star. They still have to get punched in the mouth and come back for more, same as a 3-star and so on.
The mistake is the on the part of the fan whose logic is a 5* recruit is supposed to be a star maybe even an all world star. Washington and Good were major contributors. Good started multiple years. Were they all conference players? Absolutely not. Washington started had 34 tackles his senior season at DE, Tapper has 45. Washington was no Tapper but he was more than serviceable. The coaching staff would probably offer him again knowing the player he would become. Of course their expectations like our was for more than they got.
Ditto Stephen Good. Neither were a bust like Calhoun.
We are here, and I am excited to be. But what happens if we lose a Baker Mayfield? We have nobody behind him….Ohio State had 3 viable quarterbacks last year. Depth is Key and we don’t have that depth!
You’ve switched ships. Alabama doesn’t even have a starting QB.
That actually kind of makes his point about Bama. Switch Coker and baker and where are these 2 teams? They win every year whether they have a serviceable QB or not.
You’ve changed the argument from recruiting to scheme. It’s difficult to have a discussion with someone when they don’t stay focused. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
Lol at last sentence. Are you laying me off from TFB?
How did I change the argument to scheme? Wow! His original point was about sustaining success with 5 star recruits and he used Bama as a prime example. Your comment was about how bad bama’s QB play was. My point to u if u think for just a second is that in spite of having poor QB play they still win, every year. That means that the other 21 guys are pretty salty wouldn’t u say? Or is that too hard for u too understand, or is it simply that u hate everything Bama so much u can’t come to grips with that. Fact is they are good, like it or not. Fact is, we are good too. Question is can we sustain the success year over year regardless of whether we pull a mayfield out of our hat or not.
I’m sure u will have some smart response here just like ur last one.
It’s difficult to have a discussion with someone who can’t see or admit reality. Good luck to you….ha, I can’t even say it, it’s so rediculous.
Later out Holmes!
Ohio St had all three again this year and couldn’t do much with it. Miller was the only 5* of that group and he ended up at WR. Jones was a 3* and Barrett was a 4*. Over that same period, OU actually had a similar * rating as Ohio St at QB with a 4* nearly every year.
I don’t totally disagree with what you are saying but I don’t see it as a recruiting issue but more as a player development issue that was addressed with the coaching changes last year. Star ratings are subjective and often influenced by where the commit rather than their actual performance/potential.
OU does need to start getting the can’t miss guys when it fits, but I would rather take a 4* that has good grades, is a good citizen, fits the scheme, and will work hard vs a 5* that thinks everyone should change to him and not have to put in extra work.
Where is the talent of Cody Thomas? He needs a QB Guru after the bowl game, or go back to playing right field.
I don’t think we have any idea how good Cody is. He was thrown in a bad situation last year when Trevor went down. Spring and Summer reports had him improved dramatically. (A good coach will do that for you, especially with good talent). I’m thinking if the situation was needed we wouild see a totally different Cody than we saw last year.
I would hope. But up until the TCU game, he was behind TK! And we saw how TK performed that game.
Given a few weeks with the one’s, and the practice snaps, I think we would see a different QB.
Maybe but without seeing him much since the change in OC it is hard to say how good he is going to be. Mayfield is special, we all know that, but Thomas could be much more effective in this new offense as well. I personally think he is destined to be a career backup but you never know.
How do you know Cody doesn’t have a football guru now in Lincoln Riley. He reined in Baker and gunslinger mentality to create turnovers. Now he protects the ball with the best of them.
I’m going to reserve judgement on CT. It’s difficult to be thrown into the fire during a game, with little to no game experience. The luxury is working with the first team in practice, learning the playbook through participation, and building your resume during a season. Being thrust into a situation without experience, is tough no matter what the venue.
Where is the talent of Cody Thomas? He needs a QB Guru after the bowl game, or go back to playing right field.
Ohio St had all three again this year and couldn’t do much with it. Miller was the only 5* of that group and he ended up at WR. Jones was a 3* and Barrett was a 4*. Over that same period, OU actually had a similar * rating as Ohio St at QB with a 4* nearly every year.
I don’t totally disagree with what you are saying but I don’t see it as a recruiting issue but more as a player development issue that was addressed with the coaching changes last year. Star ratings are subjective and often influenced by where the commit rather than their actual performance/potential.
OU does need to start getting the can’t miss guys when it fits, but I would rather take a 4* that has good grades, is a good citizen, fits the scheme, and will work hard vs a 5* that thinks everyone should change to him and not have to put in extra work.
So you decided to bring up a few 2014 5-stars and conveniently left out Joe Mixon?
As Bob says,we seem to get the players we need. end of story.
Looking at numbers only (taken from 247sports in this case) we are ranked 26th nationwide with 15 commits. On 247 rating system of *’s, per average recruit we are virtually tied (per recruit, not total number, this is a small class) with Florida, Stanford and Michigan. All who are in the top 10. No teams in the top ten are more than 3 points per player on the average better, than we are, but are picking up many more recruits in the larger classes. OUr newest class if number of recuits were the same would be in the top ten. They already are when looking at the averages.
So do we have a new SD?I myself am quit happy where we are and where we are headed next year.BOOM
I’m dense metzker, SD?
The name that must not be spoken.
Duh…sorry!
Duh…sorry!
Not DS, SD.
Does DS stands for DipSh$t?
Plausible.
Standard deviation.
Standard deviation.
Either that or this is a new sock….
So do we have a new SD?I myself am quit happy where we are and where we are headed next year.BOOM
I only have one thought on star gazing, which is the fact that this Christmas will be the first in 40 years to have a full moon. 🙂
I enjoy taking the kids up on the mountain side away from town and just watching the Milky Way.
and occasionally eating a milky way too
I had only been in the Philippines a short while and a guy I worked with asked me if I ever looked at the stars. I never was a star gazer, too busy keeping my head on a swivel to look up. When I did my mind was completely blown. Being near the equator I could see the Milky Way so clear I felt like I could reach up and touch it. Later, when I was at the USAF Academy I was sitting outside and looked up at the stars and it was like…meh. It was clear and visible, but seemed so far away.
I’d enjoy seeing it “that close” oh and I’d love to see the moon look like it’s just a few miles away too
The closer I am to the equator, the happier I am.
Uh, that has slightly dirty implications if read a certain way… 🙂
I used to go camping in the desert near CA and Mexico border with my family. I remember the stars being so bright and so big over my head that it seemed unreal and phony since I couldn’t see jack squat in San Diego skies. I’ll never forget that.
I remember riding in the car with my family at age 12 or so from New Jersey to California. When we reached Arizona, I was totally stunned to see that many stars in the sky. I spent hours with my head stuck out the window in awe. There seemed to be more stars than black sky.
Totally agree that OU should get more big time recruits. However you have to respect the way Bob runs the recruiting process, he seems to be straight up with the players and doesnt bullshit like a lot of others do. He’s done it this way and tbh its been pretty successful barring a couple bad years. This playoff run should land us 2 more top 100 guys this year imo…and 2017 BOOm-ing already
And we don’t have the Bagmen like the $EC does either.
And we don’t have the Bagmen like the $EC does either.
Regarding the schools who consistently land 5-Star recruits, I think it’s equally as interesting how often they don’t win NC’s.
Like Tennessee, with 4 5* guys from the 2015 class, 2 5* guys from the 2014 class?
It’s already been mentioned before, but the 5* recruits just don’t always produce, and the schools that lock onto them don’t always produce either. (Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, stop me anytime) Careful recruiting of any player regardless of how many stars are by his name is the most important thing, the 2nd most important thing is to develop the talent, something some of our previous coaches forgot to do.
?It’s already been mentioned before, but the 5* recruits just don’t always produce, and the schools that lock onto them don’t always produce either. ” Did anyone say “Texas”? 🙂
I was using pick on SEC SEC SEC. Texsa is a valid addition. Teams may have talent, you may have them on campus, but you still have to coach them up when you have them.
It might just be me, but I think recruiting services rankings has a sham component to it to generate magazine and/or subscription sales. (Captain Obvious!) I remember back in the 80’s and 90’s where Mel Kiper would have Notre Dame ranked way ahead of everyone else and talk non-stop about their recruits on tv. They always seemed to flame out, but he banked a lot of jack off the hopes and dreams of the largest fan base. If something doesn’t seem right, just follow the money and you’ll find out a lot.
Ya, but there is only 1 NC per year….
Thanks Ron…
You can’t ask any questions that imply Bama or anyone else is doing ANYTHING better than us at the moment without getting crucified. Very legitimate question, but unfortunately you won’t get the level headed responses you are looking for, at least for the most part. We are too good right now to question anything at all.
Sorry, I found this out the hard way myself a week or so ago. There are a few vultures on here looking to attack anything perceived as being negative.. Although what I said and what you asked above were by no means negative, that’s what you get right now.
Now if you come back and this team has 3-5 losses you will have a different group of responses from a completely different group of people with a different tone. Just the way it is. It’s much better in the current state for sure.
I will give my opinion to you and watch a few of these cats attack like sharks. We have to win a natty and put people in the league like we did before. That’s what will land more of these guys. And not just in the league, high paid, high profile guys in the league.
Does this say we can’t win natty’s without the guys you speak of? No it does not. To many points in this thread, a group of hungry 3-4 stars with upside can achieve the same goal.
I haven’t been participating (much), but I don’t think he’s being “crucified” at all. Most of the responses have been fair and well measured:
-Recruits in OK don’t have the exposure or development other regions have, so our local talent is rarely considered elite.
-recruiting out of state against local bluebloods is never going to be consistent, no matter how good we are.
-We’ve been more consistent w/ 3/4*s than the other bluebloods have been w/ their 5*
-Our 5*s lately have not panned out.
Conclusion: We’re fine, and will probably continue to be fine.
That is a completely fair and well put thought that he asked for. Agree with you on most accounts here.
Also of OU’s 5 Heisman winners, 4 are from OK and none were 5* players
We’re just offering opinions and not ragging on you. Enjoy the discussions JP. Boomer!
U good, I’m just a little butt hurt over 2 smart a$$ people on here. U ain’t one of them. I’ll let it go. Sooner!
I’ve had my moments too. Rub some dirt on it and get back in there…
Puttin some diesel on my ankles right now to keep them ants off!
Comments like “curious, did you think Bradford had a good career at OU” though are childish and pointless. Guy is not saying all less than 5 star guys are not good, just questioning why we don’t get more. That’s the stuff I’m referring too and it’s from the same smart a$$ who likes to belittle anything he doesn’t agree with. Crucify was probably on the harsh side, you’re right.
I mean, it’s not the most diplomatic approach, but I wouldn’t go as far as childish. I think it’s a legitimate way to make a point.
Actually, it’s completely off point. He didn’t ask whether 3 stars could win anything. He was alluding to landing the big fish more often. Anyone who gets on here asking a sooner fan if they think Bradford had a good career is just being a smart a$$.
I disagree. He was arguing we needed more 5 stars (or essentially argued such). That argument hinges on the unspoken component that the 3 and 4 star recruits that we are currently getting are not good enough. The rhetorical question regarding Bradford serves to provide evidence contrary to the OP’s contention, and is thus justified in this discussion.
Ok, understand ur point. I’m reading the “stay” part of his commentary as the primary point. STAY elite. No argument here on what we have. We all just want to keep it there and I think that’s part of his point. Could be wrong.
P. S. Are you a lawyer out of curiosity?
Fair enough.
Jpsooner23. I’ve been on here for over two years and I don’t crucify folks. If you took some of my comments as smart a$$, my apologies as I was either asking a question or responding to someone. I don’t attach and I try to be curtious. Sorry you feel I’ve treated you this way. Boomer.
Aight man, I gotta admit u and DC irritated the u know what out of me last week on another post. I posted a legit reasoning (not something I made up out of nowhere) for something and all the 2 of u did was try to roast me for it. Went over like a turd in a punch bowl for me so yeah, I’m still a bit butt hurt. I’ll get over it, but a lot of what u guys respond with sounds that way. Maybe I’m reading into it too much, but whatevs. We all want the same thing so water under the bridge now. Let’s just please go stomp clemsons a$$ so I don’t have to listen to these fools in my area for the next hundred years!
Sooner.
Apparently, from reading here, OU should skip on 5* athletes and pass on most 4*….go directly after the 3* guys. ? ? ? ?
I don’t remember anyone saying anything even close to that.
He must have forgotten the sarcasm tag /s.
Because ratings are OPINIONS. Let’s say that there are 20 guys working full-time at Rivals and all 20 guys were fired and 20 new guys were hired who didn’t have any connection to those 20 guys. The top players would be very different.
Now look at coaches. They have their own opinion as to who the best players are. For example, a guy might be highly rated in several major recruiting services and not recruited by either state school. Why? Because they think that players who the services place fewer stars by are better. It’s their opinion.
If you went to Bama, USC, OU, Ohio State, etc, and really got to see their list, it would be somewhat different than the other school.
I like some quotes I’ve heard over the years:
Bob Stoops: “There are a lot of good players out there.”
Gary Gibbs: “Recruiting is not an exact science.”
If coaches are evaluating wrongly = bad teams.
If coaches are evaluating correctly and they develop the players = good records and players in the pros.
Recruiting services fall in love with a player. They fall in love with a guy, we’ve all done it, and talk others into seeing that player the way they do.
Or, coaches promise to give info about who they think the best players are and the services rank their recruited players higher than a coach who doesn’t talk about who they are targeting as much.
And then there is the method of: “Who’s offering this guy?” If Bama is, he automatically gets 4*. That’s just a fact, sorry. That was the way it was with UT under Brown. If Brown and UT recruited them, they automatically got 4*. And if Brown really wanted the guy, he talked the recruiting service into givig the guy 5* and told them guy what they had done for him so he’d be even more apt to go to UT.
It’s like a girl at school. She’s popular. But really, in actual fact she may not be prettier than a girl at another school who is not as popular. Is rating beauty an exact science?
FACT: Not every fan should follow recruiting. They don’t have the personality for it, nor do they understand it.
What question are you answering here? Dude never said all 5 stars were studs and even pointed out how much that was NOT the case. No one doubts the invalidity that exists in the ranking system. He just asked why we aren’t hitting highest rated guys as much as some others.
You are right I probably did not answer the question directly, but I did indirectly. And, to answer directly: Not many 5* live in OK and we do get a pretty good share of them and who cares if we win.
Agree with that, and I believe the only way to overcome the location thing is to keep winning and putting people in the league. We hold the current situation together for a few years and they will start flocking. Already starting to see it morph back to what it used to be.
We aren’t too badly situated. We get kids in Oklahoma usually, and OKlahoma has pretty good football. Switzer used to say that there were about a dozen kids he’d want, and he usually got at least ten and sometimes all dozen, if that’s who he wanted. Kids aren’t rated as highly as kids in TX usually, but I’ve always thought our top 10 players equaled the top 100 in TX.
To rank a player in TX higher than an OK player is usually a fair evaluation b/c usually TX football players get a little bit better coaching than kids in OK. TX has a lot of football players, and they can’t all go to UT, so ND, Oregon, etc, come in. OU has traditionally done well there. KS has one or two good players a year, and we’ve done pretty well there too. Cherry pick around the U.S. and OU can consistently field a good team.
I noticed that when Stoops came to OU he started recruiting only 3 or 4 annually from OK, not a 10-12 that we had been doing since Switzer, some from TX always, one or two from KS and another couple from surrounding states, then cherry picking around the U.S. I agree with his strategy.
I’ve seen it change over the years. He came in recruiting like they did at KSU, not offering anyone much until after their senior year. He had more on the players. But he’s had to change b/c everyone else is offering so early. UT and some of these schools had their classes completely full b/f any of them played a down as a HS senior. Stoops has had to change, too, and make his decision on who to offer b/f their senior year. He used to not do this, even a very few short years ago.
And I hope that your wait for us to have 3-5 losses is many years- if not decades- in the making, and several more great coaches away. I suppose every team falters at times but fans appreciate coaches who minimize it, make changes when they have to, and develop players irrespective of their star rankings. Oh, and there are few players more highly paid or high profile then Adrian Peterson who may just be the best running back who ever played the game. Keep eating the little green apples if you want to but I think you will find them sour ones indeed! If we are winning at the highest levels what in the world difference does it make how high our recruiting rank is, for God’s sake?
Bro man, you missed my point. Where did I ever say I was unhappy with anything? I was defending the dude who posed the question. It was legit. I’m happy as a lark right now and want to stay that way just as you do. Not sure if you didn’t read the whole thread or I wasn’t clear, but my message was certainly not meant to sound disgruntled with the program. I’m not sure I follow what u r dropping here. I said “like we did before”. Wouldn’t u say AD fits in that description? He’s been gone for awhile now. Ease up Holmes, ur acting exactly like what I was describing in the first place.
It sounded defensive and unhappy with our current state to me. “Vultures” and “negativity” and being unable to make a legitimate point on here? If I misunderstood then that’s on me. I don’t find anyone on here with a valid point scared to express themselves.
Defensive, yes. To those who are vultures that prey on anyone that can be perceived as being negative even though they are asking a legit question. If that’s what u got then u did get my point.
Had nothing to do with the program, only a handful of people here that act like others are idiots for not thinking everything is perfect. It’s never perfect. It’s unbelievably great right now, but never perfect so why can’t this guy ask a question without getting treated like an idiot by someone?
I don’t see where ur getting ur other conclusions from as I read this again, but if u did, so sorry my man.
You can’t ask any questions that imply Bama or anyone else is doing ANYTHING better than us at the moment without getting crucified. Very legitimate question, but unfortunately you won’t get the level headed responses you are looking for, at least for the most part. We are too good right now to question anything at all.
Sorry, I found this out the hard way myself a week or so ago. There are a few vultures on here looking to attack anything perceived as being negative.. Although what I said and what you asked above were by no means negative, that’s what you get right now.
Now if you come back and this team has 3-5 losses you will have a different group of responses from a completely different group of people with a different tone. Just the way it is. It’s much better in the current state for sure.
I will give my opinion to you and watch a few of these cats attack like sharks. We have to win a natty and put people in the league like we did before. That’s what will land more of these guys. And not just in the league, high paid, high profile guys in the league.
Does this say we can’t win natty’s without the guys you speak of? No it does not. To many points in this thread, a group of hungry 3-4 stars with upside can achieve the same goal.
Here’s my thought. How do you measure ‘heart’. How many ‘stars’ did Mayfield have coming out of hs? Perine was a 4* but the 13th rated RB and #30 rated player in texas. How many RBs in the country are better?
That’s an excellent point. Heart is immeasurable in stars.
Striker was a 3*…he’s much better than that.
Rivals had Striker as a 4*. There is a lot of disparity between the recruiting services when evaluating low 4* high 3* kids. It is all in the eyes of the beholder.
Adoree Jackson was always going to U$C, Malik chose what was best for him, I don’t know the other. Sure gimme a team full of 5* players like Gerald McCoy who want to be great and that team will be very hard to beat, but there is the opposite side of that.
To me a 5-star from a 4-star is not such a big gap, but beyond that you can see that there is a big gap in quality.I think most 3 star players in a college like Oklahoma should be taken “projects” , you don’t expect many of them to be more than solid players. Bottom line Oklahoma is still and will be a place where you can go after very good prospects
Are you really serious? “Top flight players don’t come here anymore.” That’s is absurd. What is Perine, Mixon, Shepard, Striker, Walker, Parker, Tapper, etc.. CRAZY TALK bro.
This stars convo reminds me of scout.
Yes. You needed the horse-beat jif. I need the hammer hitting the nail on the head for your comment.
Lmao gunner kiel etc
Anyone hear anything from John Houston, yet??
Nice lmao
Best of all was “Smoke” Patterson
O Smoke
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HAHAHAHA
Beating a dead camel? Never heard of that one. 🙂
Lesson time at TFB’s competitors!
I see your concern. I am not a fanatical recruiting expert. I think the ratings are very subject to opinion and prejudice (where you live, what or who you see and hear most often). That being said, there are thousands of high school football players hoping to attend a D1 college each year. Most of those players are never evaluated independently by any recruiting service. Coaches become aware of players through many different sources. Some sources become more credible and reliable over time.
I THINK there are very few true 5 star can’t miss prospects and most of them can go to the school of their choice and do just that. Recruiting, if completely above board, doesn’t decide for them, they decide based on their wants. For some it is a life long love affair with a program, for some it is the hottest program for some it is geography. I am from Oklahoma, I love Oklahoma and Inhopento retire in Oklahoma! But, I moved outside of the state for career opportunities, Oklahoma, the state, isn’t going to be a big time draw for most.
If you can buy my theory of very few true 5 star can’t miss prospects, the difference between 5* and 4* basically becomes a void point. At that point , the difference between 3* and 4 star becomes the focus. What makes a player a 4* vs 3*? Is it physical attributes, game film analysis, level of competition who his coaches are, etc? While I could agree that a high 4* is quite different than a low 3*, in terms of ranking (like a A is quite different than a B- in grades), the difference between an A- and a B+ is much less significant. With our coaches, they seem to be slower to offer in many cases. I assume that is due to there diligence in researching recruits. I trust their ability and realize there will be mistakes. If there are too many kid takes the program suffers a drop off. Do much drop off and people loose their jobs.
If the stars and rankings were that accurate and credible, we would know whistle best teams were without playing the games. Texas has out recruited OU, according to the ranking masters, for as long as I can remember. Look where hat has gotten them.
Why is that? Bad coaching, poor rankings, other or combo of all? I don’t know.
If we can’t agree how to rank the best 4 (out of 120ish) college football teams, how will we ever agree to rank the best 300 (out of 1000s) college football players.
Boomer!
Thank you for your well thought out and constructed response! I agree with a lot of what you said! Just looking for some dialogue!
Excellent post. You identified most if not all of the variables. Definitely not an exact science but is the best system available for the fans. But that is exactly who the star system was designed for.
The argument for getting 5 stars is really not a sound one. OU has had 5 star players and there has been more bad than good with them. Go back to 08′ Stephen Good, RJ Washington, Jermie Calhoun, All 5-star BUSTS for us. Conversely, in the same cycle we got LJ, Stacy McGee, James Hanna, and David King all getting paid on sundays!
I think there’s a little more to Alabama being where they are other than just recruiting. Using that same principle USC should be at the top every year as well, for example. Does it help, yes of course, does it hurt, it depends.
Exactly, before Saban and championships, they were not top 10. See what competing for national titles gets ya? USC is located in Los Angeles (cultural diversity, Hollywood etc).
Exactly right, in the recruiting world, USC killed it the last two years, maybe 3, IMO. But there’s more to it.
BS and the coaches have done a fine job seeing that the would-be senior class from 2011 was a frigging DISASTER!
Check it out: Marquis Anderson Dylan Dismuke Derek Farniok Nathan Hughes Kameel Jackson Nila Kasitati P.L. Lindley Trey Metoyer Bennett Okotcha Jordan Phillip Franklin ShannonLB Max Stevenson Dan Tapko Kendal Thompson Jordan Wade Brandon Williams Danzel Williams
What four-six guys have contributed? 1 real starter.
# beatbama
yearly question
I see what your saying but of the 3 examples you gave all will be watching OU in the playoffs. Got to recruit the best players for your system.
https://twitter.com/OU_Football/status/679331280748716032
Impressive stats between Broyles vs Shep, would have been interesting to see Shep’s final numbers if he would’ve had four years with Mayfield.
Or even Landry Jones.
Clemson’s strengths. Great on third downs on both sides of the ball. Watson doesn’t get sacked much. We seem to dominate in most every other category. Watson will throw a pick with the best of them and their D-backs haven’t had near the success that OU has had taking the ball away. So it comes right back down, as always, which combination of O-line/D-line can execute the best. They will blitz a lot. Zeus has to have a great game and Baker has to get it out quick. Striker needs to cause absolute havoc. Going to be an exciting match up for sure.
https://twitter.com/_TMOE55/status/679361070306222080
http://www.campusrush.com/eric-striker-oklahoma-sooners-social-change-1521285990.html
This is pretty great. Go Striker
http://www.campusrush.com/eric-striker-oklahoma-sooners-social-change-1521285990.html
This is pretty great. Go Striker
https://twitter.com/OklahomaOnScout/status/679380180218028033
I thought Motley could play WR, that would still leave room for another DB. (assuming there is room for Motley at WR). Anyway, can’t have enough DBs in today’s spreads.
I saw some Bama fans on twitter saying that Tramonda Moore would be announcing tonight, but I haven’t seen any confirmation anywhere. Anyone know if he is in fact committing tonight?
Announcing three official visits.
There is that one embedded, sorta cryptic tweet about it. He did retweet it, but he does retweet and like nearly every tweet he gets. He’s a teen enjoying the attention. I did get the idea, he’s not far from choosing.
Sorry if this has been posted before but its a fun article on the REAL Baker Mayfield.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14420335/the-intramural-legend-oklahoma-sooners-qb-baker-mayfield
Very cool
I was actually the home plate umpire for that softball championship game. Baker dominated. I remember he got upset because he stepped on the plate when he hit the ball so I had to call him out. Random fun fact.
Did his coach throw the red flag
Wonder if Motley saw the decommitment from Buchanan and pulled the trigger. On the other hand, I heard Motley committed 2 days before it was made public.
Kerry Cooks is the guy who came out and said, “reserve your spot.” I’m guessing he makes it very clear that committing as soon as you’re sure is to your benefit. If Parnell hadn’t committed first, Buchanan likely would have. Now it’s a matter of, either finding room for Buchanan, or moving on.
When is the cutoff for transferring for the spring semester?
My guess is if you can get admitted and enrolled before the last day of enrollment…so late january would be my guess
Per Rivals, best combined recruiting classes for 2016 & 2017, so far…
https://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1838881
That really sucks seeing Baylor on that list.
Baylor has never finished higher than us in final recruiting rankings.
Wasn’t too many shockers on there.
Couple of thoughts: 11 five stars in the top ten. So they’re averaging 1.1 per team. That runs counter to the theory that some teams are nothing but 5 star talent. And, this has been discussed at length, but teams get a boost from the number of recruits rather than average stars; neither of which is an absolute for success.
https://twitter.com/SoonerSportsTV/status/679413836613443584
The one word they misspell is OKLAHOMA!?!?!
Well spotted.
It’s the new job for the guy from Austin that made Texsa famous.
Dustin would be proud of you. Good Eyes!
Maybe it’s not Oklahoma who’s playing, have you ever thought about that? Maybe it’s a team called Okahoma.
LMAO
It’s because the team didn’t have an L
You know, I’m really looking forward to when the camera pans to the Clemson fans and shows the CFB world the big ugly face of mass disappointment. I want the Clemson faithful to bring in the New Year with a great, big Perine teabag. #MakeDaboWeep
All I want for Christmas is a Dabo Surrender Cobra
Bassey trying to get the gunner on the right, he cannot. Here comes now, can he get it Perkins slips, GOT IT! Perkins for the record. Breaks free looking for the third TD. Down the sideline ANTONIO PERKINS THREE PR TOUCHDOWNS and a new NCAA RECORD!!
one of my favorite OU moments and a great call by Musburger
“And he’s brought down by a host of Putnam City West right ends.”
“Fumbiestalottavagina!. PWC ball.”
One of my favorite calls from my old, best friend Dave Hart. I miss him.
So Frison is gone for good? Or is there any chance he can work his way back?
Sounds like he is gone gone!
Shame. Hate to see young men waste such a great opportunity. Too immature to realize how these chances don’t come back around.
He had just gotten reinstated in Nov. for whatever put him in the doghouse. That was his last chance.
Probably academics with the semester just over.
Yes. No.
Hey, KJ, what would you think the starting OL will be next year?
If im going off of this years players I would say Brown, Ford, Alvarez, Dalton, Samia.
Thank you. And who would you guess are the backups? Also, how is Bobby Evans progressing? When we recruited him I thought he’d had a chance to be a good one.
I think Bobby is good he will be one of the quality guys next year. Quinn has the potential to become an impact he focuses on playing ball. Hearne is another one that will be a quality interior guy as long as he focuses as well. Im hoping to see these guys compete during the winter and spring.
Me too. We will be very young, but, believe it or not, experienced and talented and good, it looks to me like. Set up to be pretty good OL and depth for 2-3 years it looks like.
Stoops gives one chance — screw that up and you gone.
He gone.
https://twitter.com/BrianDohnScout/status/679432267907899392
2 SENTENCES? Maybe the pay customers get more. I used to have plus speed (I think. LOL). Whatever that means.
There was video with highlights and comments
I assumed it was a quick step as opposed to straight line speed.
I wondered if Riley may have had his eye on Motley when he was at ECU. Atlantic coast connection and all. Just a guess.
Mens BB starting well. Up 7-0 on ESecPNU
And this is why I would hate to be in the PAC. I need sleep on occasion.
Not playing their best so far. Got to clean up the defense some and make better decisions on the offensive side, we should cruise.
Should be able to wear them down, but I may wear down before the final buzzer. 🙂
I’m too amped up for that right now. I still have to work in the morning but well worth it to watch OUr boys play in Hawaii. I hope they start out fast in the 2nd half and keep the clock going.
Buddy Hield doing his best Buddy Hield impersonation and putting on an absolute clinic.
https://twitter.com/Big12Conference/status/679390624513048577
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