I’ve re-watched most of the game. Yesterday I addressed some of the criticisms leveled against young PJ Mbanasor. I used his play in the 3rd quarter because it was in that quarter that he was pulled. After watching his first half play over again, I fully believe that, while he made mistakes, his play was much better than fans and media gave him credit for. He showed a lot of promise.
What I wanted to do in this post is take a few examples from the 1st quarter to debunk some myths circulated by media folks and fans. Specifically I want to address some of the coverage issues and attacks leveled against the OU staff in how they called the game or ran their alignments. If you don’t want to read through this whole thing you can scroll down to the bottom and get the summary…
First Series
Oklahoma’s defense is going to force Tulsa to go 3 and out. Let’s look at all three coverage calls and pre-snap alignments.
1st down notice how aggressive the pre-snap alignment is. OU is going to be in man free coverage here and will stuff the run for no gain.
On the 2nd down, Tulsa still has an H-back/TE on the field. Oklahoma is again going to be in man coverage, this time with two safeties high. Notice again the pre-snap alignment is aggressive.
Tulsa is going to use a PA and a slant concept to pull the safety down, leaving Mbanasor in 1 on 1 coverage to defend his man on a 9 route. So right away they want to test the freshman deep. He holds up and prevents the pass from being completed.
To me, Thomas read should be run and then back to help the freshman. Instead, as you can see in the image below he stays down low to help Parker on the slant. Once he sees it’s not a run call, he knows Parker has help from the LB on the slant. Additionally Parker is a seasoned cover guy and he appears to be playing inside leverage in the pre-snap image above anyway. I’d help the freshman.
On 3rd down OU is again going to play man coverage. On 3rd and long they play man free. Here is the pre-snap look…
The image is cut off but you can see Mbanasor is aligned tightly. He clearly prefers being close to his man which is normal for a big cornerback and one of the things I like about what Cooks has brought. Giving them the freedom to align in a way they feel comfortable tells us that he understands, one size doesn’t fit all. Not every CB is the same and you have to allow them to play to their strengths.
Some folks may look at Sanchez and think…”he’s playing too far off!” What you have to keep in mind is the down and distance. This is 3rd and long. Sanchez wants to bait this guy into throwing something short. Why tempt fate? He’s signaling to the QB pre-snap, you’re not going long so pick a shorter route. He’s betting that he’s quick enough to break on the ball and ensure that the completion doesn’t go for more than 9 yards, which is all he needs to get the Sooners off the field.
The WR, as expected, runs a slant. Sanchez breaks on it and the QB is forced to keep the ball and is tackled. Remaining coverage across the board was good.
Primary Take Away From the 1st Series?
Despite what the fans and critics in the media may have said, Mike clearly wanted to come out and play these guys with a simple man scheme and allow his guys to match-up. Credit to him for that.
Second Series
In this series Tulsa is going to start to have some success against the Sooners.
OU stops their offense on 1st and 2nd down and now has a 3rd and 10. Mike gives Sooner fans what they’ve been clamoring for, an aggressively aligned man free defense. Mike will even bring some field pressure that comes free instantly. Jordan Evans will come unblocked.
Perhaps my biggest issue here (below) is you’ll notice how far back the FS is. Well, actually you won’t because he’s so far deep that he’s out of the picture. One might argue, “yeah but on 3rd and 10 you don’t want them to complete anything deep”. My response is that ultimately at that starting point the FS really serves little purpose other than to deter someone from throwing the post or help on a WR who beats his name and is breaking free.
Let’s face it, with the splits of the WRs, the two field side WRs are on islands all alone. Byrd doesn’t have the range to help there. And if they’re going to take anything it’s going to be the inside slant to the number 2 receiver on the field side. Having said that, this again could be an alignment that was meant to invite something short.
Problem is, the CB (Sanchez) is going to give up the inside release. He tries to be physical at the line (again, something all the fans keep clamoring for) but the big WR releases through the jam undeterred and it’s a pitch and catch on the slant for a completion. And since the FS is so deep, Tulsa get’s plenty of YAC.
Look how immediate the pressure gets there from Evans (below). He’s about to hit the QB.
So two plays later, OU has Tulsa in 2nd and 8. Below is the pre-snap alignment. They’ve loosened the coverage considerably after being beat on 3rd and long earlier. The two inside WRs on the trips (3 WRs) side will mesh. Thomas plays this so loose that had it not been for a poorly thrown ball and Parkers improvisational skills to come off his man and jump Thomas’ route the receiver would have not only made the catch but would have had a lot of green grass for YAC.
Note again, Mike is playing man coverage. This didn’t work for Tulsa but you can see how they are attacking OU’s man coverage and what kind of stress it put on the DC. When they clear Mbanasor and the two inside WRs run that mesh, if Thomas plays loose (as he did) he gets essentially walled off and the WR is running down the sideline free.
But as I mentioned, the ball is poorly thrown and now the Sooners have another 3rd and long. Below you can see that pre-snap look. Mike is going to give Sooner fans what they want AGAIN…aggressive pre-snap alignment across the board in man coverage.
In fact this time, the safety is going to align initially in the path of the slant to help out Sanchez. But notice also this time on 3rd and long, the offense is in a 3×1 alignment (as opposed to a 2×2 the last time the slant was completed). This is going to give the QB a potential near inside route to the field. So Byrd is going to immediately back out and rotate over to the opposite side, clearing space for the receiver matched up against Sanchez.
You’ll also note that Tulsa is going to clear the LB out by releasing the back to the flat. Sanchez again tries to bump the WR but the WR is undeterred by the jam and gets the inside release for the completion on the slant.
As you can see above, it’s another 1st down on 3rd and long. For you SEC fans, Mike has so far run exclusively man coverage in the game. And Tulsa is starting to really put a strain on the coverage.
So he wisely decides to go to his quarters coverage. This way he protects himself against the quick slants and the mesh’s.
However, in this concept players have multiple reads. The LB has now been removed from the box because of the wide split of the number 2 receiver to the near side. The LB may have a responsibility to reroute/carry on a deep route and has to clue the running back who is set to his side.
Now OU has a good pass defense called and quarters gives enough run reads so that Mike still playing a numbers front. However, he’s now out numbered in the box and Tulsa sees that. They have a run option on every play and they run the ball right up the middle for 8 yards.
So Mike goes back to his man free defense with an aggressive alignment on the very next play and this time instead of Sanchez it’s Mbanasor who is beat to the inside for a completion on the slant.
So a few plays later, with an H-back/TE on the field Mike runs his 2 man under. Sanchez plays off. He breaks on the short route but misses the tackle and it turns into a 1st down.
Later Series – Run Game Starts to Work
Later in the 1st quarter Tulsa is going to bring out some bigger personnel and challenge OU in the run game. For all the talk about how the OU safeties are supposed to be hitters, they didn’t prove to be as good in the run game as one would expect.
A big play springs open here. The NG is going to get double-teamed and he’s cleared out. The DE also gets beat. Notice the far safety isn’t even reading the QB right now and the ball has already been snapped and they’ve got the H-back pulling to block. The near-side safety, Byrd, tries to be aggressive but it would appear he doesn’t remain assignment sound and ends up crossing the formation to help in the run game. The RB cuts back the near side and there’s no safety there to fill. Tulsa picks up a huge gain.
Something of note that was positive on that play was Mbanasor flashed some serious speed. He was way behind the other defenders when the RB broke free and he beat everyone to the man to save the TD.
On the very next play, Tulsa is going to run a no huddle hurry up PA. The assumption here is that after the big run, they’d get the far safety (Thomas) to bite on the PA. He doesn’t. But this is what is really perplexing.
He plays pass the whole way. It’s three on two with Thomas playing over the top. Sanchez man runs a shorter route. Notice the inside WR at the top of the screen (below) look at the depth Thomas has to play this route.
Now look at it a tick later…
The WR actually beats Parker and somehow beats Thomas as well! And Thomas is behind even Parker! It doesn’t result in a completed pass due in part to an athletic play by Parker to disrupt things and in part due to the lack of a PI call (Parker got there early) and in part due to an underthrown pass. But it’s tough to understand how in essentially two on one coverage, one man gets behind his man and the safety.
So What am I Trying to Say?
Everyone who has been reading my stuff here at TFB for a while now knows I’m usually the first person to defend the players. And you also know I’m not shy about leveling criticism against coaches. But the criticisms leveled against Mike after the game just weren’t fair or accurate in my opinion.
Let’s go through a few of the common phrases we hear chanted by some fans and media folks…
Myth #1: “The DBs weren’t physical at the line and they played too far off”
FALSE. They tried and you saw the result. His best cornerback, in fact, was repeatedly beat to the inside playing a press technique. Additionally, the off coverage OU fans saw in the 2nd quarter weren’t man coverages. They were quarters coverages. They were an attempt by Mike to try to stop the bleeding. The DBs have to play off in this coverage because they are clueing multiple receivers.
Myth #2: “Mike didn’t bring enough pressure”
FALSE. Sometimes pressure was immediately there, not just in the first quarter but throughout the game and the DBs didn’t hold up.
Myth #3: “Mike made it too complicated”
FALSE. For the most part Oklahoma played man free against 10 personnel and 2 man under against 11 personnel. In fact in the 1st and 4th quarters OU played man coverage on all but 2 downs. Not sure how he can make it any simpler than that. At one point one of the safeties whose sole responsibility was man coverage busted. He had no run read. As a coach, there is literally no way to make that player’s assignments any simpler.
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You guys are on it today!
You know with me you’re preaching to the choir K. Excellent break down and you’re being modest saying its your opinion because what you’re saying is 100% fact.
Appreciate that coach!
I appreciate it K as I was getting beat up for saying the defensive scheme wasn’t bad, just made mistakes. Correct the OL and secondary and we will be in good shape.
Also, some think Tapper is horrible, but I think otherwise. Wish we had a little breakdown at least once on the DL so some could understand their alignments and responsibilities.
Great, great break down!
So, what do you do? How would you attack the “Baylor” offense?
Great stuff.
I’ll talk about that in a separate post. Probably need to see how the safeties develop but I’m leaning towards some personnel changes against Baylors 4 and 5 WR sets.
No matter what personnel or scheme changes are made none of it matters if guys don’t win some man on man matchups and aren’t assignment sound is zone coverage. There are only so many defensive coverages you can call, eventually players have to make plays.
I mentioned this yesterday and compared it to blocking schemes. You rarely hear people say the blocking schemes are bad. You always hear “he got beat”. No matter what scheme it is, you need to make plays and play with sound technique for it to be successful.
“There are only so many defensive coverages you can call,” hmmm, where have I heard those words before? 🙂 Well said.
My concern is OU has guys on the field right now that are going to be isolated by Baylor and their skill set wouldn’t seem to give them much of a chance to win the match-ups
Absolutely and I’m with you. I knew where you were going when you said the safeties weren’t exactly beneficial against the run. I think you get your 5-6 best cover guys out there and your best/most versatile DL and LBs out there and you challenge their 11 to beat your best 11.
I gotta believe that Mike and Bob are concerned about that as well. Over the years, both Mike and Bob have had the reputation, at least, of being top tier “defensive minds.” Who knows, but I would be very surprised if Bob is just sitting idly by while his troops work on solving this puzzle. IMHO, the solution is in part having the right call with the right guys on the field at the right time. Some of that turns on evaluating tendencies—a chess match or a poker game, if you will. Then, even when you win that part, the kids have to play aggressive, error free ball. Hey, no problem. 🙂
Baylor’s offensive tempo is designed to prevent a defense from getting the right personnel and calls.
It’s a wonderful scheme to reduce another person’s (the DC) range of possible choices.
If a Baylor WR can run a vertical, a comeback, or a post off the same play action play, how can a CB or DBs defend that?
It’s the perfect offense until an opposing team finds a way to stop it. The way to stop it might be by opposing offenses. Run the ball, drain the clock, keep Baylor’s offense off the field, and be efficient in scoring TDs. Force Baylor to chase. Baylor does very, very well at forcing opposing teams to chase them.
Second that.
I agree K. Thats why I think we should start playing Haughton and McKinney at least a few shifts a game if possible. I think both of them might have a better skill set (speed/ quickness) than Thomas and Byrd. Lets just get them out there some and see what they can do.
Excellent break down. Thanks!
Any thing stoping us from playing more CB’s on 4-5 WR sets? I would think moving Parker to safety, and playing another CB in the slot rather than playing 3 safeties would be something to explore. Like the JUCO CB
This is great stuff, K. Right on point, imho.
“Giving them the freedom to align in a way they feel comfortable tells us that he understands, one size doesn’t fit all.”
I distinctly remember Mike alluding to this concept after the Baylor game last year, as well. He (and Bob) didn’t make a big deal out of it, but more than once they made a comment indicating that some of it was defender choice. I don’t think it’s completely new with Cooks.
You could be right. Sanchez and JT seem to prefer off man so it may have just been a choice they made. I do think Cooks is requiring them to align more aggressively though at times
Sanchez got beat when trying to bump at line. But maybe that’s part of problem, his comfort zone might be playing off and maybe like a basketball player he needs to be forced to work on that weak aspect to his game. Both in practice and games. Thanks so much for write up K, awesome as usual
Those big receivers just swat Sanchez away like a fly when he tries press coverage.
Obviously yeah. But I’m not sure he improves that by settling into comfort zone. I’ve seen smaller guys have success.
thanks k. these things are awesome and your breakdowns are a lot like jaws. love watching jaws break down film
You can see why the coaches sometimes sigh when they are expected to defend the “myths,” and explain everything you have demonstrated in your well documented post, in one or two 10 second sound bytes.
then they get re-roasted by those “in the know” when they say something like “i don’t know what in the hell you people want”
Bring back Bud Wilkinson’s “little men” and insert those segments in the oh-so-boring coaches show.
Before the season I was worried about our secondary. During the season I am worried about our secondary.
lol!
I think my main gripe with the CBs playing off is, in my opinion, space is not your friend out on that island. Space is ok from guys who have elite speed, especially closing speed. I don’t believe our corners have that. So I’d rather see our guys be physical and jam those receivers at the line, disrupt the timing of patterns, get guys off their routes, etc. Than give the receiver space to pick and chose how he is going to run his route.
K pointed out that Sanchez wasn’t physical enough to delay the route at the LOS. Maybe the other guys are.
Yeah Sanchez is definitely on the smaller side.
I am really worried about the coverage.
I’m not convinced Sanchez, for example, can play a really big WR so physical. If his WR gets through his jam, then Sanchez has to sprint with him. Sanchez doesn’t have that kind of speed.
I think it’s about philosophy. Take your chances that you won’t get beat over the top, even with Safety help OR prevent anything long and make the team complete short passes all the way down the field.
They need to move Sanchez to play the inside receiver
Great stuff by K. Very informative, as usual. One thing I was curious about regarding stopping the slant: Given how wide the receiver was split out, and with Mbanasor’s speed, might he have taken an inside position and forced the receiver against the sidelines on occasion? I think he is fast enough to cover a fly route. Or is that just too high a risk?
I agree. I’d play that inside leverage but they play it square head up. Problem is you’ve got to get two extra shuffles to widen your guy on the go route.
didn’t see anything about the DB’s NEVER looking back for the ball for 3.5 qtrs.. i assume they started looking back in the late 4th when someone finally noticed it.. utterly idiotic. could have disrupted 6-8 passes or intercepted 1-3… by simply turning their heads. hell a couple of passes hit THEM right in the back
This was covered yesterday by Super K.
I missed it, what did K say?
pretty easy to do watching from the comfort of your couch, huh?
He’s making an observation from a fan’s point of view. He didn’t name any players, and he is not being malicious. It was stupid to not look back. Don’t know about how you guys in Oklahoma high school were coached, but in Cali, we were told to turn back from grade school and make a play on the ball. Take a chill pill, we are just fans.
yeah you’re right. “utterly idiotic” is perfectly fine to say for someone sitting on his ass on a couch
so…. we can’t comment on blatant or obviously stupid things… if we weren’t playing? Is that your point?
Nope. You can disagree with stuff all you want. You are definitely entitled to your opinion. It’s just when some douchebag on the internet starts in with attacks about “this is idiotic” “that’s stupid” etc you sound like a call in show dumbass who’s point is taken with large grains of salt. There’s ways to go about it and sitting on your ass on the couch running your mouth ain’t it. Come up with something constructive, i.e. if we banjo etc etc would be an example. Mikes a dumbass who can’t coach his way out of a paper sack does nothing except make you sound pretty stupid
He’s a freshman playing for a big time college and nerves come into account. He wants to make sure he’s not beat. The other techniques which he already knows will come with confidence and more reps. You need to ease up on the kid as he will be the same one in time you brag about.
to notice things… yeah. it fkg is. I would assume a coach reviewing film… is thinking the same thing..
You’ve just been given chapter and verse of what went wrong. It’s not scheme. It’s getting guys to trust scheme and stay assignment sound. You can disagree all you want but it won’t necessarily make you right
PJ, a Freshman, didn’t turn his head when he was “out of phase” (Saban, 2009). When he’s out of phase PJ is supposed to play the man and swat the WRs arms in order to prevent a catch. He could turn his head to try to spot the ball, but Saban says you do that when you’re “in phase” (i.e., even with the WR). http://smartfootball.com/defense/nick-saban-schools-you-on-how-to-play-pass-coverage
In phase – become the WR, look back, and play the ball.
Out of phase – too far back to become the WR, thus play the WR and swat the arms.
PJ was out of phase several times and didn’t play the WR well enough.
This was very helpful…..so PJ felt like (or was) beat on some 9 routes so he has been coached to not turn his head but play the WRs eyes/hands.
Covered that yesterday 🙂
I’d try some of those big WRs we have at corner…..Dahu looks like he’d be a pretty physical corner..
To me this “Baylor” Offense is about the same as the Wishbone when it came around! Triple Option football changed the game for awhile. 10 defensive guys could play it absolutely perfect and 1 guy is just a bit off and it is “Katie bare the door!” 6 points. New offense takes a while to figure out and develop a good system to slow it down. Would love to see Baylor play Tulsa and watch how they defend their own offense. We just missed on 3 or so turnovers against Tulsa and fumbled twice in the red zone. If this wasn’t the case it is probable 52 or 59 to 17 or 24 and nobody is talking about this stuff. You want to see Mike get aggressive give him a 21 point lead. This offense can really help the defense by building a lead were Mike isn’t worried about 1 play tying the game!
Doobie, great observation and great analysis of what this offense will allow Mike to do on defense. You’re also right about those three fumbles: Tulsa looked like they were about to pack it up.
Well put, Doobie. Especially the part about playing with a lead allowing more freedom and aggressive play calling. On the other side, I don’t think Baylor’s defense has it figured out either.
Yes sir that was kind of my point! Baylor is involved in a lot of 49 – 45 and 59 – 52 games. It is suppose to be the “Baylor” offense and you would think if anybody would have an idea about slowing it down it would be them!
This is a great point. In his first stint, MS had the benefit of a team that could score at will.
Yes I been saying this since last Saturday if we don’t fumble twice in the redzone and Sanchez makes that pick he had his hands on in the 2nd quarter you could have been looking at a 41-10 or 48-3 halftime score and this game never gets close in the second half and TK9 probably plays the 4th quarter
Yep.
exactly. have an offense that has your back and we might see some riverboat gamblin’ stoops boys back
Super K, thanks for taking the time to feed us information. We are all aware this takes you away from your family or something else you’d rather be doing.
I will always come back and I continue to tell everyone I see about what happening here at TFB.
To be fair on Thomas’ speed on that last play noted, it wasn’t his speed as to why Stevie’s WR got past him, rather he nearly tripped as he turned (too late) to run with him. Looked like he was anticipating that WR route to curl and he kept going. Way it looked to me when it happened.
K from your breakdown A Thomas is a weak link in coverage. His reads are slow. What you are saying is simply that our guys got beat or made misreads or missed tackles.
Great read K. I’m still saying he needs to try getting more cover guys on the field, and also occasionally drop a DE/OLB into the quick passing lanes. The pass rush just isn’t going to get there against these teams. So let’s play 7-8 defenders against 5 receivers instead of 5 on 5 or 6 on 6.
I couldnt agree with you more aboout dropping a DE/OLB to disrupt the slant pattern which is a killer in that offense. Disguising it till the last moment of course.
There are plenty of mixes, stunts, delays, etc., Mike can do to clog the slant passing lanes with the DL and LBs. He’s been very creative in this regard in the past …. I seem to remember one game (can’t remember which one) where he’d rush only one D lineman at the snap and drop the others into shallow coverage.
Thank you! I figured something like this was the case from my take on the game, but it’s nice to hear it from somebody that knows the game better. At some point, the players have to perform and be able to do what they’ve been taught. I’m still not a fan of A. Thomas. Just seems like he is the weak link back there.
I think Tulsa isn’t getting as much respect as they should but we’ll see. I’m interested in seeing what Dana Holgorson tries to do against our D. If anyone in the Air Raid family knows how to run the ball it’s him, it should be a good test. WVU plays Maryland on Saturday on FS1, I might have to catch my first glimpse of the Mountaineers.
I think WVU will give us fits. If we survive, and I think that with the O playing the way it is, we will, this game will be good prep for what’s to come later.
I am still arguing that this Baylor-style offense should be included as a Millennium Prize Problem. https://thefootballbrainiacs.com/how-the-young-defensive-back-fared-ou-vs-tulsa#comment-2268351985
Grigori Perelman solved the Poincare Conjecture.
Let’s solve the Briles Conjecture.
Yes, I feel the same way.
Hope it doesn’t take like 90 years to solve it. We’ll be long gone and they will be playing in protective bubbles to insure no one breaks a nail by then!
Really surprised Will Johnson hasn’t made an appearance. Looked good in spring game. This write up makes me think we’ll see some freshman safeties sooner than we thought/hoped.
K, I think the breakdown was spot on. I wasn’t ripping the secondary/ defense after the game, I saw things that need to be corrected or improved but was an overall improvement from last season. I actually was more impressed with how well the Tulsa receivers and QB played.
So you are saying OU is screwed when they Baylor?
Is that a new dance move? Or is that code for cheating?
Very good. Verrrrrrrrrry good.
Question is….how do you Baylor?
It’s just a step to the left…
This is how you Baylor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qapvgu3Y9Ck
Funny, just not real.:-)
I watched the CB’s and none of them that I saw played true press where they got into the receivers body. They were up close to the receiver but immediately back peddled at the snap. I realize Sanchez is to small but I thought they recruited PJ to play this way because of his size. Is back peddling and hand checking truly press coverage? It’s not what I see in the NFL from press coverage. If you can’t make the QB get off schedule and have to go through his reads the dine pressure won’t have time to get to the QB. So, tell me what West Virginia did last year to beat Baylor playing a vary aggressive scheme? If it’s talent/skill level i get it. So, why not play 8 in coverage and rush three with a mix of blitzes. I just can’t believe there isn’t anyway to slow the Air Raid offense.
I am re watching the game right now, and that’s the first thing I noticed with PJ as well.. Also this offense almost takes away the LBs every snap but they have to respect the run (QB, and RB) and Pass (QB).. Hard to defend. I am sure everyone has tried some way or another and Baylor (and Montgomery) have seen it all and have a counter for it..
They’re taught to motor mirror as you noted. However there were times were they tried to slow the release…see both first quarter slants on zack. The receiver just went right through it
Good stuff K. I wasn’t upset with Mike after this game because I saw a mixture of schemes. I wasn’t upset with PJ either because his coverage was there just not his technique as you pointed out in the previous article. The kid played very well and might have a couple of int if he gets his around.
Maybe. He was out of phase with the receiver, which means that he should play the WR. If he turns his head around he could lose the WR and the ball. He’s still developing his skills. Thus, I’d say he should play the WR in last Saturday’s instances.
I think he’s out of phase because he isn’t collisioning the receiver. He’s opening up too quickly
“I’m here. You have to run through me.”
What does this mean ‘out of phase….collisoining the receiver’?
Great job Super K. Really enjoyed your breakdown of the coverages.
I’ve learned more in this article about football than any I’ve read before. Thank you K. Especially thanks for calling out the sound bytes and criticisms, and showing they’re wrong. Great stuff. Sooner fans are better fans when we get this insight.
https://twitter.com/Big12Conference/status/646821859049148416
A half game? A HALF game?……..LOL!
Well, at least it’s half of the Oklahoma game… 🙂
By their reasoning, if a lineman only holds with one hand…..it’s a five yard penalty.
Sickning! What’s the point?
Well they did get a public reprimand from the commish……that’ll teach’em real good. SMH.
Without order there is chaos. Chaos, I say.
Ooooohhh! I’ll bet that really hurts. That isn’t even enough time for him to go to the bathroom, shave, shower, and change his clothes.
1/2 game suspension for Lebby is a JOKE!
That sounds all nice and good, but we gave up over 600 yards of offense, and it should have been more if not for some flags by the refs.
That is unacceptable, especially against a team with Tulsa’s personnel that from an overall perspective is not as good as a lot of the spread BIG 12 teams
We need to find a more effective way to slow these teams down, its not easy but there is always a way
Call Bob and Mike and make sure they know this! Please! This is earth shattering stuff here!
that’s the beauty of the scheme eh?
Correct.
“…should have been more if not for some flags by the refs.”
If you get to play hypotheticals, so does everyone else. If they didn’t get the 2 fumbles, and they didn’t hit a rocket squib kick, and if they didn’t recover said rocket squib kick, and if they didn’t throw a hail mary, and if they didn’t complete the hail mary, it very well could have been 88-3. Who knows. If all those things don’t happen you could probly name your score and then who knows what we need to work on cause its chuck and duck for Tulsa the rest of the game and it turns into a spring game for half the 3rd and all the 4th
how does Baylor “self report” when it was reported elsewhere first? Hell, Bob was talking about it in a press conference before Art even made a statement… Thats not “self-reported” thats reported…
Great stuff! I’m renewing my subscription!
Buy a gift subscription for all your friends. They’re cheap.
After watching the game again, thought he was there to make the play but didn’t turn around. They were playing man. It’s the third qtr where they went quarters and the outside wr slanted and the rb ran a wheel route that he had problems with. That same play got him benched. A Thomas got beat bc wasn’t positioned right before the play and got caught flat footed. The one thing I did notice about this offense is the ball is going to where his eyes first looks at. I don’t think I seen him look at his second option. To beat this offense make him read his second option.
Surprised Stanvon Taylor and Dakota Austin cant get on the field despite being here for 3 years. Is Mbanasor that much better than them that we would throw him out there against an offense like Tulsa with no experience.
Obviously so or they’d be out there. Coaches play who they think gives them the best chance to win. It’s that simple.
It’s utterly amazing that we can’t find a safety that can take Thomas’s place. He’s been beat/out of position a number of times. He still seems lost when it comes to understanding basic fundamentals. Fortunately most blunders haven’t panned out because of excellent play by teammates, poor passing or pure luck ala Tenn. receiver dropping the ball on a sure TD reception.
Coverage was solid for the most part. Real issue on some of the deeper stuff was not turning & locating the ball. Too much face guarding. And as mentioned, w/o the fumbles it could have easily been 45-3 at half.
My issue with off coverage is when they’re 8-10 yards off the LOS & immediately bail on the snap. Good QBs will take that automatic 5-6 yards all the way down the field.
Wow! Thank you K. This was both informative and educational. Much appreciated. Don’t find insights like this anywhere else, so double thanks!
Good stuff K. Thank you for taking the time to put this together! I really thought, overall, the D did not do a bad job, except in the second quarter. Yes they gave up a bunch of yards, but who cares if the other team isn’t scoring!
Nice read thanks K
I have never felt confident that the OU safeties had the range to cover the field they are facing. The throwing windows would be a lot tigher/difficult to throw into if the safeties could close on the play. The corners in IMO aren’t getting beat as badly play to play as some people are saying.
Without safeties with range to cover all that grass. Take them off the field.
Stack the box. Bond and Striker on field.
Put the best 4-5 pure cover guys. (1.SP,2.ZS,3.JT,4.PJ,5. Green?)
4. PJ is better than most 4th wrs..
Play smart man-free.(Get the kinks ironed out after this Tulsa game.)
My athlete against yours. Lets go play ball.
I agree after reading Super K suggesting this defense, I would like to see that too. I only wish they could’ve tried it some against Tulsa so they could see how it matched up against this offense before they have to roll it out against the real thing in November.
And when a defense plays only MAN, even a slow QB will learn to burn it with runs. I think Super K pointed out well that the defense needs to mix coverages. I have been very, very critical of Mike Stoops, but through three games this year, the OU defense is better than last year.
Now that the practice season is over for Baylor, let’s see how teams play them, TCU, and Tech.
Strength of the D is depth DL/LBs
I was thinking with MAN across. OU can stack the box with one v ones with your 2 best pass rushers on the outside. Get after the QB.
Even when you have 5-6 DBs 2lbs(safeties). Someone is on an island. Someone is alone. They will attack it. In doing so, you’ve taken your advantage out of the game (2 pass rushers).
I guess its wishful thinking to have your best cover guys and your best two pass rushers on the field against this offense.
Good stuff Thanks K.
Couple questions, how many B12 teams have two big WRs like Tulsa? Sanchez really needs to cover guys more Shepard and Dede size. And does PJ get his spot back as top reserve CB or has Green moved up?
Unbelievable. You give us all this great info and insight Super K and there’s still people who want to make the same critiques with no real evidence backing up their claims. I think the only real defense that could maybe match up with this offense is the great John Chavis; defenses from LSU when had 4 or 5 legit cover corners with NFL safeties behind them. and even then, they would give up yards. And OU, at least at the moment, doesn’t have those players in the secondary (and very few defenses ever have had that kind of talent) so people need to back off Mike and the Sooners
Super K,
Can you grade the CB’s in this game alone? Mbanasar may have not had a great game, but I appreciate his aggressive style this game. Also, maybe it’s just the number but he reminds me of D. Strait.
Mike said he was trying to find the best scheme/coverage for the guys he has. This makes perfect sense with what K has posted here:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ousportsextra/ou-sports-mike-stoops-talks-preparations-for-west-virginia-video/article_fdcd8b9d-412a-5ed8-911a-fad314608b3f.html
I considered myself football smart.
I took an asprin halfway through this and I still think my mind might explode. Great write up K. I have been trying to tell people, 1) PJ is a true freshman, you can’t expect him to shut down a high powered offense, especially on short notice. 2) Tulsa’s offense is pretty salty. So I have a much simpler, less detailed defense for the defense.
I do have to say, sitting at the game comment of the day, “Mike stoops better parachute from the coaches box and scream at his players or we will never win this game!” Had me cracking up.
So darn good….I’ve been screaming all of what has been said here but in a much less sophisticated manner and with much less analysis. I really couldn’t agree more. I continue to believe our issues are player related not coaching related and the majority of blame is on the safeties that for some reason or another just don’t make plays. Yes they have show the ability to be the ‘safety valve’ that stops broken plays in front of them, but I just can’t remember many instances when a FS or SS has rolled in coverage and made a positive play. The example in the 1st quarter is a perfect illustration of the impossible job Mike is trying to do. Also, our CBs are just too small and get beat off the line in man coverage. How can you beg for a coach to do something that the players are just incapable of doing?!
Well, the coaches COULD bring in guys that fit their scheme. Just a thought.
In light of this post, I went back and watched several of our defensive possessions, specifically watching our DB’s.
1) I have no problem with guys being allowed to play to what they’re comfortable with. If Zach is more comfortable playing off, then let him. If PJ is more comfortable playing tight, then let him. I completely understand that. From Zach’s perspective, it’s easier for him to play off and use his speed to react to what he see’s. I am the same way so I can relate. PJ may prefer to stay close and use his body to feel where the WR is and stay close. If a QB is confident in himself and his WR, he’ll go after Sanchez all day because of the space. If a QB see’s Sanchez’s # of INT’s and isn’t as confident, he might stay away from him.
2) It looks good pre snap when our CB’s are lined up tight but it does absolutely no good because of what they do post snap. They’re not bumping the receivers and they’re not knocking them off their routes. They’re sticking their hands out to give the WR a high 5!!! That’s not playing tight defense. If you’re going to play press on a guy, you better stick him hard and knock him back before he takes off. Our guys are getting whiffed on their high 5’s and the WR’s are blowing right by them. I would rather them play off and keep the guy in front than play tight and get burned at the line. They all need to be more physical at the LOS.
3) It seemed like both the CB and Safety were a bit uncertain on the plays were 2 WR’s were lined up close on one side of the field. They weren’t tight enough so it was always an easy completion + RAC.
4) They are doing a good job tackling in open space or after the catch.
So maybe I’m wrong on pt #2. I went and watched Sherman, Maxwell and Revis play corner and none of them really touch their guy off the line. They play up tight but they just cover the WR like a blanket. So maybe jamming them at the line isn’t the right thing to do. It was comforting to see the offense pick up 3rd and 2 with a slant because Sherman didn’t play tight enough. Happens to the best of them I guess. They all do a great job of playing the ball as it comes in to the receiver.
Super K, excellent work. I am just amazed and this is extremely educational. I don’t know how TFB have time to do all this, considering this site is free. I really love it and it’s articles like this that help me appreciate the game planning that goes into a contest by our coachs.
Awesome breakdown, Mike is trying everything, and his guys are missing. Get the freshman Safety’s ready, Byrd and Thomas are very disappointing. There has got to be somebody?
Glad someone realizes the alignment of the recievers and how wide they are. By their formations it is essentially a new offense. It’s an air raid but it is all new. Kinda like when the wishbone was introduced. Teams were already running the option before that but defenses take time to catch up. So, Has anyone stopped Baylor in the last few years? Holding them under 20 is essentially like pitching a shutout right now. Remember by year’s end. Don’t look at points per game in this conference. Look at points per possestion. Our D was 4th in Big 12 last year in that regard but they were on the field a lot. Turnovers put them in bad spots as well. It was the same situation (at least half the same) against Tulsa. We don’t turn it over late in the 1st half and the final score looks much different. They’ll be fine. Our D is good (not great) and better than last year. Our offense is only going to get better and it is already better than last year. 10-3 is this team’s low end. They can get higher than that.