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This past weekend the Sooners defense struggled with Tulsa’s Baylor-like offense. It’s an offense with a run pass option (RPO) on just about every down. It’s an offense with a precision passing attack including a deep attack with two formidable outside wide receivers. And it’s an offense that moves very quickly making it difficult to find the “perfect” call.
The Sooners were missing their first team cornerback and in his place they played a true freshman who didn’t receive the majority of the first team snaps during the week leading up to the match-up. Freshman cornerback, PJ Mbanasor, was replaced right at the end of the 3rd quarter so I decided to go through each play he was involved in in the third quarter and offer up some thoughts. Overall, I think you’ll come away with the same impressions I did; that the mistakes are more than correctable. Mbanasor made some mistakes within his technique but on a broader level, most of his mistakes can be attributed to him trying to do too much.
Had Mike been running primarily man coverage some of Mbanasor’s mistakes would have been mitigated. However, what you’ll note is at the start of the 3rd quarter Mike runs man coverage on the 2nd defensive snap. The receiver to Sanchez side gives him a slight hesitation (double move) and promptly beats Sanchez. The ball was simply over thrown. You see right away the issue Mike is facing. He’s trying to protect his defensive backs by calling more varied coverages but in doing so these Baylor-type offenses will create busts and space with the speed of their attack and the skill of the their attack respectively.
So due to the overthrown ball and a false start, Tulsa is in 3rd and long. This time Mike calls a rolled cover 3 – Sanchez playing a cloud technique. Mbanasor has deep 1/3 with help underneath…no less than Steven Parker himself, OU’s elite cover safety.
Mbanasor plays his guy with a man technique perhaps in order to disguise the cover 3 call. He hesitates on a short route when the receiver feints, which allows the receiver to get a little separation behind him. He also transitions out of his back pedal high. Knowing he had underneath help Mbanasor just needs to give a little more ground here. What I like though, is that it’s not in his nature to play things loose. He ends up closing the space on the deep ball and the ball is underthrown. If he just turns around, he has an opportunity to pick off the ball. That is something he is going to get better at.
Again, if he turns his head. Instead of a PI call, he may have had an INT. Also if he gives more ground and plays his zone the receiver is probably forced to break his route off short. Both are correctable mistakes.
On the very next play OU is in man coverage. Check the pre-snap alignment below. It would appear the OU staff is giving their DBs a choice on where to align in this coverage call. Mbanasor has chosen to play it tight. Sanchez has chosen to align loose. Sanchez is a quicker smaller guy so his choice makes sense. What I like though is that Mbanasor’s WR is split wide, so he knows his safety help isn’t going to get there. But he isn’t scared.
The QB can’t find anyone open so the receiver to Mbansor’s side tries to improvise. Mbanasor stays with his man but the ball is thrown up anyway. Again, here, if he just turns his head around…he probably has an INT.
Here it is from another angle. The WR is giving him every indication that it’s time to turn his head and find the ball. But it’s just a muscle memory thing that he will develop with more snaps. Again, it’s correctable.
The next play Mbanasor is playing a cloud technique. So he has help over the top and his assignment is the zone curl to flat. There is so much to like and dislike about what happens here. In the past when OU played zone coverage their defenders would not play tight matching through the zone so opposing receivers would have so much space and quarterbacks had big windows to throw into.
Mbanasor refuses to give the quarterback and receiver that space. Firstly, look at the pre-snap alignment. Mbanasor is pressed up at the top…
Mbanasor’s receiver is going to run a slant. In this coverage, normally the cornerback would disrupt the receivers release and then release him to the LB, in this case Dom. The thing that would irk Sooner fan’s is that there would be a huge window between the CB and the LB in which to complete the slant and an easy first down would be gained.
Mbanasor tries to take this away by riding the slant inside. However, notice above that the RB is set to Mbanasor’s side. Mbanasor has a flat responsibility so if that RB releases out to the flat it’s PJ’s man. When the QB sees him ride the inside route, they simply throw the ball to the open man in the flat.
The RB catches the ball in the flat and gets the first down. Again, love that Mbanasor wants to take away the space. I wouldn’t want my CB to change that. But I’d want him to also be assignment sound and know how far he can ride that inside till he has to pass his man off to the next zone defender and then get back to his own zone. Had he peeled off a little sooner here, he stops the 3rd down. Again, correctable mistake…
The same thing is going to happen again later in the same drive where Mbansor rides the inside route a little too long leaving the back in the flat free. OU needs that kind of aggression through the zones to tighten the spaces but they just need to remain assignment sound.
On the next series Tulsa will score. I want to highlight a play from that series on 3rd and 4 that is very correctable from a team perspective but shows you what the little tricks these Baylor offenses do when they get you in man coverage.
Notice the alignment is to the fan base’ is liking. Everyone is aligned near the LOS…
The Sooners are in straight man coverage with a single high safety. Look up top at the trips (three WR) side. It should be obvious to everyone who each person’s assigned man is. But to confuse the Sooners and to test their communication (and to get a rub) Tulsa’s outside WR is going to create a stack with the number 2 (the middle) WR. He’s going to set himself just behind him. Right then the Sooners have to decide if they are going to play man to man or banjo the call, which means they pick up the man releasing into their respective zones and play man to man thereafter. Either a call wasn’t immediately made on the field or someone didn’t play it right because the result was…
The underneath slant running free and two DBs, Mbanasor and Parker both following the same man. If the call was banjo’d then the slant was Parkers man in which case they would’ve avoided the rub. If it remained man then the underneath man was PJ’s man and he would’ve needed to fight through the rub. I obviously am not in the film room or on the field so I can’t say for certain either way. But what you can see here is that to stop teams like this, you have to be perfect in the details.
The crowd watches this and thinks…”man, or DBs aren’t good…our scheme isn’t good…our alignments aren’t good…” But none of that is true in this case. It’s a simple communication issue. Mike made a good call. The DBs played good coverage. The problem is a tiny detail. But it’ a deadly one.
In the 4th Quarter
Marcus Green came in at the tail end of the 3rd quarter and played the entire fourth quarter. There really wasn’t much to assess. He was targeted three times which I’ll summarize below…
– First play Green was on the field Sooners were in 2 man under. Tulsa targeted Green on a 9 route (go). Green was beat on the turn. Ball was poorly thrown, otherwise this could’ve been a one hitter quitter.
– Second time Green was targeted he was also in man coverage. Tulsa completed a slant on him.
– Third time Green was targeted he was in man coverage and Tulsa threw a bubble and Green did a nice job of coming up immediately on the tackle.
It’s tough to assess Green’s performance at this point. Just not enough information to go on.
What was interesting to me was that OU played man coverage in the 4th quarter on every down but 1. Ultimately, I think OU is going to have to do that against teams like Baylor when they are in their 4 and 5 WR sets. They’ll need to decide where they want to outnumber the other team but it’s critical to limit busts. I also think OU may want to begin developing a particular personnel package when they face good passing teams that are in 4 and 5 WR sets. Right now, there simply aren’t enough cover guys on the field to hold up.
Twice when OU attempted to go man across (once in the 3rd and once in the 4th quarter), Mike tried to bring pressure…pressure promptly got in but the QB immediately threw the ball up and an inside WR was streaking down the field.
We’ll talk more about this later.
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Nice breakdown K.
I did like the fact that he pressed the whole game. There errors seem glaring at the moment and it’s good to know they can be fixed. I guess we’ll see in November.
I think repetitions will help. The issue again with teams like Baylor is you can’t get calls in to find a perfect call without busting. If you stick with a base defense in man coverage though you need better cover men on the back end. Also you have to make a choice as to where you want to give up numbers. There is no such thing as a clear passing or running down. Everything is a RPO
It’s a great system – with a long ball, a short throw and a running play available before every snap from the same formation, based on the defensive read. I wonder the viability of showing them two deep safeties on every snap, and then trying to walk into a different pre-snap look.
Take away all the short routes and the run game. Make them beat you deep. Won’t happen more than four times, you give up 28 points. We win 45-28.
the problem with that is that the reads come post-snap.
K, I would love for you to write a piece in the future sometime about ways you think to best defense a system such as Baylor’s. I have been kicking it around in my mind about what defenses and coverages would give a team the best chance of slowing these offenses down. I guess if I could figure it out on my own I would be in coaching or writing articles for you guys. Would love to hear you insight on this sometime.
Let’s not lose sight that
1. This was Tulsa’s athletes, not Baylor’s
2. The corners have the choice (per K) to play press or off the ball. Not MS fault.
Let’s not lose sight that
1. #1 would start at OU or Baylor…
That dude was a stud and a mismatch against most DB’s
I hesitate to just say X or Y is *just* Tulsa. Skill is skill. By the same token, Jarvis Baxter could be at USF. Different coordinators can bring out the best in their players by putting them in the right position and Phil has done this for years. For perspective, Steadman Bailey, KD Canon and a host of all those WRs were recruited by Phil. I’d wager that Tulsa’s guys were just as good, if not better
I agree on PJ. From my tv screen, he was always right there when the ball was thrown his way, he just didn’t get his head turned around or the receiver made a good play. Against subpar QB’s and WR’s, he would have been an MVP but against accurate QB’s and top notch WR’s, he looked like a freshman. All things considered, I was disappointed we pulled him in the 4th and hope he gets some more opportunities soon.
I’m glad you pointed out some of this stuff because it’s easy for us to get frustrated by the lack of pressure we’re putting on the receivers. It seems easy for me to say that our CB’s should play tight at the line, give the receiver a good hard bump and then stay with them to allow pressure time to get to the QB but I guess that’s a perfect world in which we don’t live 🙂 I don’t like zone defense at all because Big 12 QB’s are good enough to pick those apart. Seems like if a QB is going to do a 2-3 step drop, we’ve gotta play press in order to have chance.
CBs have an option to play press or man. What I didn’t like is Sanchez playing 8 yards off on a third and 11 and not closing in time when his WR ran a 4-yard hitch and gained 8 more after the catch.
I personally would love to see this same analysis done on Sanchez. He looks so lax sometimes. Like he’s expecting them not to throw at him so giving half effort. Then gets mad when they catch on him and gives up an additional 5-10 yards trying to strip. I have seen glimpses of better tackling form this year. But it’s still not any where near consistent. Maybe he’ll wake up as more teams test him.
“I also think OU may want to begin developing a particular personnel package when they face good passing teams that are in 4 and 5 WR sets. Right now, there simply aren’t enough cover guys on the field to hold up.”
I was wondering about this during the game. If Green or Mbanasor are good enough, would it make sense having a package where Jordan Thomas took over for one of the safety positions when a team goes 4-5 wide?
I think one thing they’ll have to do is quit recruiting 220lb Roy safeties. They need to recruit pure cover guys at safety.
I would be happy if we stopped recruiting 220lb Linebackers let alone safeties. LOL! Striker is the exception not the rule!
It would appear they’ve stopped recruiting dainty linebackers for the time being.
Pretty good take. I agree after watching the game again. Problem is, those “little details” never seem to get quite coached up on the defensive side of the football. There’s little question in my mind Mike is going to have to attack defensively – and I like the personnel grouping thought – or Baylor is going to destroy us. Again.
Harder to disguise things with the wide splits. Safeties essentially have to declare. Do agree that they will need to simplify the back end as much as possible and find better personnel match-ups if they don’t want the baylor game to turn into an offensive race.
I have another question as to why OU has their CBs play a specific side. Seems like that killed us against White from WV last year and Garrett from Tulsa this year in which the offense forces Sanchez to play a huge physical receiver. I am not saying OU is doing anything wrong but playing specifically on one side it seems the Offense gets to determine a lot of the matchups were if the CBs played either side the defense could determine the matchups more! Just a question that I have wondered about for the past year or so. And the Tulsa game gave me flashbacks to that West Virginia game!
So that they aren’t running across the field following receivers. Also, there is only so much time to practice and corners tend to develop a preference for a particular side.
Seems like I remember this about some of OUs early Stoops defenses. By attacking and playing tight coverage they gave up a huge play from time to time but the defense made their share of plays as well. We were much more of a attacking defense then and now it seems we are a reactionary defense!
If you go watch WVU/Baylor from last year, WVU played cover 0, pressed up in their WRs faces, disguised coverages, used movement to confuse Baylor, and came after the QB. We don’t do any of those things.
I was hoping for this exact defensive game plan last Saturday too. They may burn us a few times, but we’ll get into the QB’s head with a few good hard hits.
Me too. I’d rather force their QBs to make throws under duress than let them sit back there and play pitch and catch with easy throws like we do. WVU came after Baylor and hit the QB in the mouth all game long.
Texas did the same thing to them. There’s no aggression to the scheme we play against Baylor. It’s all based on sitting back and playing coverage.
May be our coaches plan to do this but didn’t want to show our cards cause they new we could out athlete Tulsa? Wishful thinking I know but if we came out against Baylor playing different coverage than we had all year would be stellar in my opinion.
Was thinking the same thing. Stoops has to know if we get beat by Baylor this year, the same as we did last, something has to give. OUr offense this year should help quite a bit. But still.
I actually liked what I saw from PJ on Saturday. Dude is definitely going to be a baller in the years to come. I also feel like the stats don’t exactly tell the whole story of the defense. Take away that (fluke) 50 yard hail mary and the two long drives after OU turnovers (where the OU defense shouldn’t have been on the field), and we’re looking at a 300yard/35ish point swing.
He definitely had couple picks if he turns to look at the ball
The “devil is in the details”.
Great stuff, K! Written so that a non-football guy like me could understand.
Regarding different personnel packages: are you referring to putting in Johnson or another CB in as nickel, and moving Steven back to safety. I know Steven plays S in the 4 DB set, but is putting someone else in as nickel the way to get more cover guys. Or are you thinking a dime?
Thanks for reading! I’ll write something up about different packages but one of the elements is, yes, finding actual cover guys. If you are going to play a 6/7 man front against 4 WR sets, why would anyone want safeties on the field? What purpose do they serve? They don’t have a run responsibility when the defense is in a 6 man front.
I appreciate you doing this as so many just want to hammer Mike Stoops. I’ve tried to say, players make schemes work. Players communicate but the longer they play together the better the communication. I like the banjo call as I didn’t see either of them communicating. Great game to get them ready going into bye week.
Guys I just had a thought. Lets take all our Linebackers off the field and then blame our LB coach for everything that goes wrong for years to come.
Can we blame him for the problems with the O-Line too?
Nah, blame him for decades to come.
One thing I noticed about the Baylor offense is this…..
It’s a one read offense. I reviewed the tape yesterday and the QB determines where he’s going with the ball prior to the snap and doesn’t deviate. There’s no checkdown nor are the read progressions. They line up to look at how the DBs line up and then they “check with me” and change their WRs routes at the line of scrimmage based upon how the DBs are aligned. The QB NEVER DEVIATES from his predetermined read and he stares down the WR he wants from the moment the ball is snapped and throws it there no matter what. I noticed that the QB stares down where he’s going with the ball prior to the snap as well. When he doesn’t stare down a WR/DB matchup prior to the snap and just looks straight ahead and claps for the ball, he gives the ball to their RB every time.
If the QB stared down his receiver pre-snap on every play A) he would be an idiot and B) the Baylor offense would have been stopped a long time ago. That would be pretty obvious to DC’s.
Well that’s what he does every time. And he throws it to the guy he stares down every single time no matter what. He doesn’t even look at any other WRs once the ball is snapped. I watched this happen down after down yesterday without failure. Watch the tape.
I’m sure he stares down his WR after the snap because typically in that offense they don’t hold onto to the ball for more than a couple seconds. And I am sure your right about primarily making decisions before the snap (that’s why the offense is so easy to run from a QB’s perspective) but I think you are over simplifying things a little to say that they stare down receivers pre-snap and never move their eyes. I don’t even think you can really see their eyes on TV.
You can tell me I’m wrong or you can go see it for yourself. Either way is fine with me. The QB telegraphs where he’s going with the ball pre-snap and post snap while he stares down his target and simply waits for him to come open. His head never turns post snap.
They accomplish a lot of that by running pick routes and throwing the ball before the DB can re-establish body position so staring down their WRs really doesn’t matter and neither does the coverage.
No QB that plays in this offense will ever play a down in the NFL.
See above, you could see the run plays from the stands easily the entire 2nd half
Watch the pass plays if you get a chance. I was stunned at how much they telegraph where they’re going with the ball without deviation. There’s no read progression at all nor do they look off other WRs. They know where they’re going to throw the ball and that’s what he does no matter what.
The first two series it’s pre-snap. He may not stare down but he looks over twice.
No they signal where they’re going period. It just doesn’t matter. We’re fighting a guerrilla new age offense with conventional defensive tactics.
Are u talking Tulsa’s system or Baylor’s? Can we see this on Baylor’s 2015 opener etc…?
Zactly. That’s what they do every time. Keep watching.
See for yourself…https://youtu.be/6-PqcKCB8_k
Yes it the stands (I sit with 3 coaches) we called the runs every single time correctly in the second half. No tape delay no anything. The Tulsa QB did not disguise at all. Some other qbs such as Baylor may be less obvious than Evans.
Exactly. They don’t have to disguise. They run the ball when they have a +1 numbers advantage and the safety is playing back.
Predictable.. Is this a communications correction? Gap control… What is answer
Not sure. I’m not a coach. Seems to me that when the QB claps for the ball and get’s the snap, if he’s looking straight ahead, the safety has to crash hard.
Because as you said, and what they ran against SMU it’s a read option or run play.
JJ, hello there.
It’s risky but I think you have to bait them into the play you want them to run. I’m telling you, someone is going to figure this out.
Exactly. And you have to create chaos for them pre-snap. Anyone remember the chaos front Venables used to run? Standing up the DL and letting them rove? Create confusion and chaos for their “check with me” offense pre-snap and get some doubt in their minds.
Also, go look at the tape of what Amato did with one of his DTs vs. OU in the first game. I thought for sure they’d highlight this on here but they didn’t. Prior to the snap, one of his DTs would stand up and fall in behind the NT and the DEs would shift inside. At snap he’d play like a Mike and either run to the football on run plays or blitz thru a gap on pass plays and it wreaked havoc on our Oline. Why don’t we do any of this?
You are correct. I think we were disruptive when we moved Dan Cody around. If you rush 6 (4 DLs and 2 LBs) you can cause havoc. Let the DEs take a two-step wide rush, get their hands up, LBs fill the gap the DEs have created, take a B-line straight to the QB, and let the DTs push the pocket.
Agreed. If they’re going to “check with me” us to death based upon how we line up, that can be used against them to create confusion galore. Get them so confused they have to call TOs. Use movement to get their Oline jumpy and creating false starts. Seems like there’s a lot more we could do to confuse and discombobulate teams like this than we are doing.
This seems like it would also be able to eliminate the run game with the LBs fill the gap and the DE’s coming wide. Can we try Q and Walker at the same time with Bond and Striker?
That would be a good combination. I’m also impressed with Wade.
Yes. Wade is playing well. Tapper disappearing again.
agreed, everyone has there tendencies & you just have to find them, & pick your timing. I think the key is press, to force a quick throw.
They run when they have more blockers than defenders at LOS?
Yes I know. It’s earth shattering.
Seriously? Why can’t our coaches see that? Or perhaps the players? Which Baylor games were you reviewing sir? Do tell.
Could be the inexperience vs someone like Petty. Is this similar to last year?
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I have no idea what I just read. But I love it!
It’s perfectly fine to not understand it. But it’s certainly bad form to admit it!
Please don’t tell my mama.
I’m sure SHE understood it!
[Hangs head in Sooner shame].
She played linebacker for the Bears (of the non-Waco sort).
Summary: Mbansor is really good but really young.! He will get much better as he gets reps in practice and playing time! The defense may not be as historically bad as some people are fearing but they need to work on the details of their assignments to clean up the flaws that Tulsa exposed!
And now I love it even more! Thanks, man.
well summarized. well done
He’s got my vote.
And what you said about Mbansor can be said about a number of our players. Lots of FR and SO starting on this team and many of the Jr’s and Sr’s are either starting for the first time or are in their first year at OU. We are starting to come out of the funk created by the assistants that are no longer here. The recruiting is getting better and the players seem to be more fundamentally sound. But we just aren’t all the way back yet. However, it looks like we are on the way.
PJ is going to be very good in time when he masters all these details. Well written assessment of the freshman’s play in an easy to understand format for us fans. Thanks Super K.
My thoughts exactly. Thanks, K.
Agree totally – nice job and thank you K!
great intel seriously
K, I’m really glad you did this write up. It got really old really quick listening to all the doom and glooms wanting to fire Mike again.
Agreed.. It’s to damn early for that again.
Toats, what I don’t understand is why K has to point this out when everyone on here watched the same game?
K, thanks for the information. It’s much appreciated.
Ahmad Thomas getting beat is the first time this season that an opponent had a wide open receiver. In the first three games, DBs have been right there, contesting throws, and tackling immediately following a completion.
That is one of the things with these types of offenses, they get a DB anticipating another slant pass and the moment they bite they go over the top. Not making an excuse for Thomas, he guessed what was coming instead of staying up top, but that is the result with these offenses if a DB takes one misstep.
So true.
It would help if a D-line could blow up five blockers. Make that ball come out even faster or risked getting sacked. The faster the throws, the shorter the routes become.
Yessir, and the less accurate the throws.
We have that talent right now. It would certainly help if we had Lampkin and Que playing.
If it were me, I’d rotate four D-linemen each series. Go all out when you’re in, take a series off and keep coming at them.
I would unleash Gallimore and tell him “feast on their flesh.”
Like it. Question can they play run support at the same time?
It’s the only thing that’s worked to best extent on Tom Brady….for years. The games he loses are due to pressure. He’s the best there is too. I would sell out against a Baylor on pressure, live with consequences. At least until we get some more cover oriented safeties on the field (Next year?)
SamSooner, you are right. It appears that we need a D line, one of two guys that can dominate their man or take two blockers, allowing another guy to bull rush and get to the QB in less than a three count.
It’s just people that don’t know what they’re talking about thinking they know what they’re talking about. They just need to shut their lips and learn from stuff like this. How easy to read and follow along was this bad boy? When k does these and the big fella does the trenches it makes understanding the whole game easier
While I agree that MS is not the blame. There must be accountability for DBs if they continue to make the same mistakes in coverage or decisions. Not saying it’s the coaches. This game is behind us know. We need to prepare to do our best to keep WV out of the end zone as much as possible. 40-24 Sooner win?
I agree that everyone’s accountable. My point coincides with K’s. We don’t know the calls. It coulda been the perfect call and somebody missed an assignment, which leads to a 77 yd td. It coulda been the banjo thing he was talking about and it didn’t end up the way it was supposed to. There are things that need to be coached to where you’ll never make the mistake but that takes time and sometimes there’s no way to coach it til it never happens because you won’t see it enough times. Everybody is all over Sanchez for playing off but that may be how he feels most comfortable. I wish we’d matchup and not play a certain side of the field because we’re bound to have somebody who matched up better against the big fella they had. If you start taking guys off the field for missed assignments, you hamstring yourself cause now you’re bringing in your 6th and 7th cover guys and there’s a reason they’re 6th and 7th, be it youth or whatever
SamSooner, because some of us are not that familiar with cover packages. I can see what they ARE doing, but cannot detect packages, so don’t know what they are supposed to be doing. Also, you are right on the first two games, but let’s not forget that neither team had much of a passing attack. Tulsa was a good test for us and we were able to put much more pressure on the QB. WVU will be another one.
K, you nailed it with PJ just needs to shore-up the little things. I agree that, had he turned around, he could have actually had multiple picks. I don’t believe there was ever a time that he ran with his man and turned around to find the ball. He seemed to focus so much on not letting his guy get behind him that he forgot to look for the ball 🙂
My thoughts exactly. The game will slow down significantly for him. I thought his coverage was really very good. He was so intent on blanketing his man he never looked for the ball. All of that is correctible.
More than anything, he didn’t look comfortable just like JT. I would like to see them find true cornerbacks I don’t care if they are 5’8.. If we are not going to have a elite pass rusher on the line, and we are going to have more in the box safeties like A Thomas and H Byrd then we need (MUST HAVE) true natural cornerbacks..
Thanks for the breakdown, Super K.
It’s a brave new world for everyone involved with or a fan of college football.
I’m counting on our young players responding to adversity and challenges in a positive way.
since you’re an observer of cfb and tx esp, was the univ of houston and the o coaches that came thru there the incubator for this offense, or perhaps even back into tx hs fb……not fond of briles but give the guy credit for coming up with an offense so difficult to play
If you recall, John Jenkins at UofH was coaching the Run And Shoot to great success(based on Mouse Davis’ offense) in the late 80’s-early 90’s.
“In a game nationally televised on ESPN that had been billed as an intersectional meeting of powers, the Cougars faced the Miami Hurricanes at the Orange Bowl.
Miami blitzed early and often, keeping the Cougars’ high-powered
offense from getting any momentum. The Cougars not only lost the game
40–10, but also lost a good deal of the mystique surrounding their
offense. The Cougars’ other opponents repeated Miami’s game plan of
heavy blitzing. A week later against Illinois saw more of the same; they lost that contest 51-10.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Cougars_football#John_Jenkins_era
At the same time Briles was a run oriented, often Wishbone, coach and didn’t move to a passing game until later in the 90’s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Briles#High_school
My old high school, Marshall, Tx, started utilizing a spread attack in the mid 80’s, which the OC Tom Thrower had used at South East Missouri State years earlier to good effect.
“Thrower left Dexter and went to Marshall, Tex. where he was offensive
coordinator for the high school team. While there, the Marshall team won
three district championships, made it to the state championship game in
1989 (13-2) and won the state championship in 1990 (14-2). He served as
athletic director at Marshall from 1990 to 1995 until his retirement.
He and his wife, Lisa, returned to Dexter a few years later.”
http://www.dailystatesman.com/story/1795839.html
I don’t know where it all began or by whom, exactly. One thing I do know is coaches are always looking for an edge. Over the past several years I have noticed more and more the A-11 Offense is being seen at every level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-11_offense#Basic_concepts
thxs for the effort and taking the time
I will add that not long after Marshall won the state championship with their spread attack and athletic, fast and smaller athletes than most teams they faced, many other programs went to spread or run and shoot concepts. This then lead to the Texas 7on7 organization and the state tourney which began in 1998.
I wrote a post on one of the blogs I used to contribute to back in 2009 and in that year 65% of the starting QBs in FBS programs in the top 100 played high school ball in Texas. That season in the bowl games 68% of the starting QBs had played high school ball in Texas. This was a monumental shift from the days when Cali QBs dominated that position.
I was wondering why we did not mix up our blitzes, coming from wide angles down the line on occasion, and then stunting up the middle more often finding an exposed gap. Most of the QBs that have beaten us lately have had too much comfort in a short drop.
Is that Lebby in the 4th picture to the right (our left) of the guy in red? 🙂
Well played by TFB
Best analysis on OU football. Thank you for all the work you put into these posts.
At the end of the day it all boils down to having a good front. If your Dline can constantly put pressure on the QB, then all those fancy routes and offensive plays would be disrupted.
If the QB has time to sit in the pocket and wait for things to develop, he will carve you up like thanksgiving Turkey.
M Stoops has to find a way to bring pressure on the QB. Rushing 3 just isn’t going to get it done imo.
But it seems M Stoops prefers the bend but don’t break approach and hope for the best. I can understand that, but that doesn’t work either like we have seen.
He tried to bring pressure. Inside DB couldn’t even hold up for 2 secs. They’ll need a new passing down personnel group IMO. There are guys on the field that just aren’t suited for those situations. And again, if you play a 6 or 7 man front then why not put true inside cover guys on the field? They have no run responsibilities.
This is something I said earlier today. Why have Byrd and Thomas on the field against this type of offense?
who was the inside DB in question? Parker?
The bend don’t break has worked against taco tech for years. Stop the run game, keep everything in front, tackle in space (no after catch yards), make them play consistent and march the length of the field. Hasn’t worked against baylor because we can’t tackle those dudes since 2011. 1 win in 4 tries.
Thanks Super K…. While I like to watch the Jimmy and Joes…sometimes its good to understand the X and O’s!! Never thought I’d miss the Mon / Tues sessions from high school football. Maybe I just miss Coach Smiley and his ability to replay ever frame of that darn 8MM film numerous times to REALLY accentuate your mistakes for everyone to see!
Good stuff K. Basically PJ was a young guy thrown into the fire against a team that could pitch and catch pretty well. He will only get better with practice reps and game experience. Nothing like on the job training. He will make a name for himself before he is done at OU. Thanks again for the breakdown.
Other thought: Perhaps they didn’t throw Green out as a “frustration with PJ” move or to tear down confidence. Maybe it was a “next man up, what if PJ is now #1” move…. the coaches were obviously p’o’d… even alluding that Thomas might not be available vs WVU. Don’t you want Green to get some meaningful snaps… before we have another Brandon Crow situation?? 🙂 just a thought
In all these years I don’t think I have ever seen Coach Stoops as upset with suspending a player as he was with J Thomas. He was genuinely angry and hurt with JT’s actions, and for the harm it did to the team.
Agreed.
I was even more surprised that he was back so quickly.
Probably actual context of what did occur as well as valuable practice time/prep time for Baylor offense
Perhaps, it just seemed to cut him deeper emotionally than I’ve seen before.
I think Bob is on a mission and like all of us glass half full fans, senses something special about this group. He will and should be upset at anyone or anything that pulls a bone head move to upset the dream.
Bob seems much more intense, more emotionally engaged. I like it and it’s contagious.
I saw a clip of Bob on the sideline from the Tulsa replay and he was yelling at some one on his headset and he was animated, too. I think it was Mike on the other end, but can’t be certain.
Saw that, too! He was looking up and I said out loud he’s yelling at Mike! But I don’t know.
Yeah I remember seeing that live on tv. It happened right at the end of the game, like on the very last snap if I’m not mistaken.
This is true. He was aggravated. But maybe he expects more out of his petroleum engineers. 🙂 higher expectations
Thomas is a very intelligent young man and an important part of the team. Not following team rules just seems so odd.
Very unlike Bob’s usual m.o. to call out a player in front of the media with a phrase like “let his team down.” That sort of shot across the bow directed at a player in public is unusual. He is far more likely to let his disapproval be known in a clear way, without the extra comment.
It really seemed to cut Bob deep.
I can see it both ways so I don’t have an issue with it nor did I support it.
I agree I didn’t think it was a big deal either way. My comment wasn’t specific to you K as much as just general thought. And in response to some comments on going to Green in the 4th out of desperation type comments….
I thought PJ was doing a decent job considering the position he was thrown into. You were likely too young to remember this but when I was a freshman, they handed me a varsity uniform as they were preparing for the playoffs. I thought I was just an extra to make the sideline look bigger. Imagine the shock when the coach grabbed me and said get out there at right corner. I was like a deer in the headlights and could do nothing but run with my man, never knew where the ball was because I was too afraid of getting beat, had a ball hit me in the back because I wasn’t relaxed enough to turn around. That’s what I saw in PJ.
I really liked what I saw from PJ. Just got to turn around and make sure those hands are up. But he was there! Loved that he likes to play closer to LOS.
That was encouraging. Loved his position at the line.
The kid has a lot of confidence. Even after that touchdown he had mentally moved past it. That’s veteran behavior.
I’ve been in that position also.
lucky for you that was probably pre-message board
8 track and cassette baby!
and the innocent, pretty young girl in the stands was enthralled with her hero
exactly & understandable.
One of coach Mc’s last teams….I actually VAGUELY remember. Your mom & dad sat behind mine all my life 🙂 You were too cool & superstar to know your mom kept me in the mornings before school….its funny what a kid remembers. It seems like we always played kingfisher & Durant in the playoffs…
I’m going to stop beating this drum soon I swear. Until then, why not get the DE’s to hang back or get to the flat to try and slow down the quick game? If you have rushed the DE’s all game and never got close to sacking the Qb, don’t you try something different?
I’m aware it’s pick your poison with these offenses, but we’re picking the same poison repeatedly.
I like the idea of standing em all up
Same here. Especially when they go no back.
Good read. Anyone noting any influence Cooks is having? Differences in technique?
Nice!
https://twitter.com/Joe_MainMixon/status/646468200058630144
Deserved.
Absolutely.
I like what he brings to the team, both athletically and in his mentality.
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Who is he referencing?
Jarvis Baxter…Baxx.
Got it. Thanks!
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/ousportsextra/the-journey-of-jarvis-baxter-people-will-want-to-help/article_79c433c9-7f6a-5a40-a8b6-7fc2ae30fc22.html
good read if you ain’t seen it yet
They won’t let me read their articles anymore and I am not subscribing, but thank you.
If you view the link on a cell phone it might let you, that is where I had to read it.
Yeah, I don’t use my phone for surfing the web unless it is work related.
Gotcha!
Awesome!
I appreciate everyone suggesting strategies to try to limit this Baylor-style offense, and more specifically Baylor themselves.
“Like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have died trying.”
My suggestion is to include this modern dilemma among those of the Millenium Prize Problems. The current list of problems includes:
P versus NP – if a computer algorithm can verify a solution can it also find a solution.
Hodge Conjecture – it’s hard and has to do with algebraic geometry.
Riemann Hypothesis – it’s also very hard and deals with Riemann’s zeta function. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6c6uIyieoo
Yang-Mills Mass Gap – super duper hard.
Navier-Stokes Smoothness – fluid dynamics and turbulence. You guessed it. It’s hard.
Birch and Swinnerton-Dyer Conjecture – It’s about elliptic curves. Elliptic curves are not hard, but this is.
Briles Conjecture – For all possible configurations of two sets [one group (D) and another group (O)] of N players drawn from a pool of K players, where N=11 and K = 85, and each n (single player) within N has characteristics Q and executes strategy P, there is no configuration where D is equal to or greater than O.
The person(s) who solves a Millennium Problem will be awarded $1,000,000.
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http://mediacdn.snorgcontent.com/media/catalog/product/d/e/dearmath_frontpage.gif
No one told me there would be math.
I don’t get it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvW3zY0mWso
Like I said, it’s gonna be a llloooonnngggg two weeks 😉
Solved as: move to a different conference.
You have to show your work. 🙂
I think you might be able to find last years game on youtube
Just now happened to catch the Baker piece on a replay of Sportscenter, Nice! Pretty well done. Nice exposure for the school and for Baker. They mentioned doing a piece on Shepard soon? (anyone catch that part? I kind of missed what exactly they said.)
Sportscenter? No I had to…sew a button…trim my nails…trim my goatee…
I didn’t give them the ratings hoping a link will be posted tomorrow.
I’ll catch the video soon. I’m as averse to clicking on espn as I am cnn.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgQWjQZydY0
Great song and a great time to be alive.
Think they are getting ready to talk about shep coming up… I am watching it on espn news..
Caught the tail end of a story on Shep, by Rinaldi. I will be trying to catch the whole thing. Was a pretty emotional piece.
Yessir it was. Man.
Tom Rinaldi is my favorite reporter for ESPN.
Okay, the Baker piece was good, but the Shepard piece was amazing. Tear-jerker right there, but done real nice.
I flipped over and saw it, that was a game day piece from last year that I saw on utube. I thought they would have something new when you said Shep was coming up.
Well it was new for me Tex! lol, I had not seen that one… good exposure anyway 🙂
I agree it is good exposure and a well done piece, just shows how lazy espn is when they don’t talk about their conference.
True. Would have been nice to at least give the guys stats so far this year, and mention the 3-0 record…or something current.
Posted 11 months ago.
https://youtu.be/6ZNXMAPL1hE
So was it literally the exact same piece? wow. That is lazy.
Yep, except at the end the guy on espn said tonight “Shepherd is very good.”
/smdh
Crazy.
SEC! SEC? sec.
I saw that last year and watching it again, it still makes me reach for the tissues.
Thanks EasTex…this is awesome
I really like Mbanasors game, he really needs the experience. I just hope benching him doesnt affect his confidence.
Are you kidding me: he’s already forgotten he was benched. I heard he has string tied around his finger to remind himself that he was benched.
And that is why I expect him to be THE next great CB at OU. In the Aaron Colvin and Derrick Strait stratosphere
Peter Jayy is my dude.
he was my fav recruit in the class
I wanted PJ, Gallimore, DeBerry, and Hulk.
Oh definitely
I’ll bet he is replaying the game in his head and already making mental changes to play better. He is probably as mad as a Hornet and ready to play right now.
I’ve watched the game again. I was very impressed with the O-Line. Farniok next to Brown is a combo that can over power a D-line on that side.
And what about Alvarez making all of those shotgun snaps without looking between his legs. There was not any noticeable tendencies before the snap.
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https://twitter.com/OU_CoachStoops/status/646137144910610432
I was glad 2017 QB commit Chris Robison was there to witness this game.
Indeed.
Absolutely, and as long as Baker’s name is being mentioned on that little bronze trophy list, we should have no trouble attracting big time QB’s.
And receivers
Truth.
Looking pretty good for 2016 and 2017 for QB.
Really need to find a game changer receiver or two with Shep and Neal graduating.
True but we have Dede and Baxter along with a number of young receivers that should improve. I have total faith in Riley to bring in some studs if this offense continues to produce.
I didn’t mean we don’t already have those types on the roster, just need them to step up and/or find some.
I really like AD miller. He is going to be a good one
Patterson talked today about his suspended players and took a shot at baylor.
http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article36190293.html
It’s flooding down in Texas….as SRV would say. 🙂
I don’t dispute that Briles and Patterson are good coaches, but there is something about each of their personalities that I just don’t like.
If BS retired I’d take Patterson in a NY minute.
Not me, and I have felt that way since he became their coach.
Agree, and was really just waiting on a video since it’s one of my favorites. 🙂
You don’t have utube?
https://youtu.be/TtU5edhHrbk
Yes and I just listened to a live version in Austin, and the Live in Italy is nice also. I just thought it was a perfect place for a video post considering the talking points. 🙂
LOL!
BTW, the guitar in this video, I was at the Rome Inn the night he was playing(77 or 78) when Billy Gibbons walked in and presented it to him.
That’s awesome.
We were gobsmacked, I’ll tell you what.
I wonder if he, Eric Clapton and BB King have ever played together. Ever? My bucket list would be those 3 plus Carlos Santana,on stage, all at the same time
I’ve never cared for Briles. He has always made me feel like he is one shady character. But Patterson is a coach I have always liked. Dude grew up playing 8 man football and is a master of defense. I do not think he takes kindly to stupid kids doing stupid things though.
Has anyone heard of what is going on with michiah quick?
Not even a hello, I’m new here?
/manners
I heard he was on the field vs. Tulsa.
He was on the field a couple plays in the Tulsa game! Got Baxter,Shepard,Westbrock, and Andrews all lining up in the slot quite a bit may just be buried on the depth chart. Still recruiting for OU on Twitter thoughd
Quick played some slot on the left side and played lots of special teams against Tulsa. Against Tenn, he played no snaps, but lots of ST.
Call me crazy, but as much as we’ve been giving grief about different aspects of OU’s game (and some do deserve some criticism and further study), I think there were definitely some positives to take away from the game. Granted, I’m no expert, but it seemed like PJ played pretty tight coverage all game – like it’s been said, if he turned his head on a couple of plays he’d either have an INT or at the least avoided the penalty. Less mistakes than Sanchez did his freshman year (so it would seem). The O-Line, if I’m grading on a curve (tempering my expectations), also seems to be improving and not giving up. Granted, Tulsa’s pass rush won’t be the same as some of the Big 12 teams, but although BM still had to make some unbelievable plays with his feet, there seemed to be less blown assignments.
I just read all the thoughts/analysis on Baylor’s offensive predictability and it makes me hope that those tendencies are noticed by Mike and co to figure out a way to exploit or disrupt that stinkin offense.
That is all. 🙂
Thanks Super K! Always love reading these recaps! I said it Saturday and I will say it again, I thought PJ was doing a pretty decent job, if he just learns to turn his head. I can also understand the butterflies were probably going crazy, being 18 and on the field in a game. I’ve been there (not in college but when I was younger) and I know how that can be. I think with Coach Cooks working with him these little mistakes will be fixed. Again, this is the third game of the season, keep improving and we will be fine.
Super K, thanks for the breakdown. I have a question. When we go to our nickel, why do we keep 3 safeties in the game instead of bringing out Byrd or Thomas and inserting an additional corner, who theoretically would have better cover skills?
Sorry, but knowing what guy you’re supposed to cover isn’t a “tiny detail.” It’s something you figure out playing pickup football the first (or second, if you’re slow) time you get burned by receivers crossing. Tulsa’s QB (and WR) knew to hit the seam deep when the defense brought pressure. He knew to throw it to the guy who had no DBs on him instead of the guy who was double covered due to a bust. He knew to hit the RB in the flat when the CB strayed too far inside. That stuff is what you work on in practice, and well-coached teams can execute on gameday.
Edit: I’d also add that DBs who are in position but can’t make plays is just bad coaching, too. Don’t even need to get your head around. When the WR reaches out for the ball, get your hand in there. This should have been drilled non-stop until the players perfect it.
I remember that last play right before the 4th quarter section. The confusion came because Steven didn’t get over in time after looking at the sidelines for some reason. He came over literally just before the snap so I’m guessing communication wasn’t ideal for the 2 backs before the count.
Great evaluation, Super K. I was never a DB, so when I am watching it is hard for me to figure out what they are “supposed” to be doing. Thanks for expanding for us that know little about coverage packages.
That last pic in K’s analysis is interesting. I know this discussion is about the CB PJ specifically, but look at the pocket set up for the QB. The TU QB has wide-open lanes at about 45degrees to each side to throw through for the slant. Since the slant is proving to be a bane to our D, I sincerely hope the D-line coaching has some surprises in store for slant-dependent offenses. One sideline call I can think of off the top of my head is (when no blitzing): 2 second contain followed by a normal rush. In this scenario, the ends delay their rush for 2 counts watching for the QB slant throw in order to block the slant passing lanes. Then they follow with the normal pass rush. I’ve seen Mikey rush one and drop the entire line before, so maybe he’s got more up his sleeve in the coming games. I surely hope so, our CBs could use a little help.
Awesome write-up Super K! Part of my lunch time reading.