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– Scrimmage Notes:
– While all the quarterbacks in general looked good, I’m told once again that Baker Mayfield still leads the pack. Was told that he’s just “so precise” with the football.
– Joe Mixon has been incredibly elusive. Even if he is bottled up in the backfield, he still finds a way to get positive yards.
– Have been told Lincoln Riley is isolating Mark Andrews on linebackers and has been causing them fits. In line with some of what has already been out there, Andrews had a big scrimmage hauling in several TDs.
– Dede Westbrook is another name that continues to come up repeatedly. There is a continued emphasis on his speed, specifically in-and-out of his breaks, and just how difficult it is to even get a hand on him out in space.
– Was told both of the starting offensive tackles looked pretty good, but overall the offense is having a little trouble running the ball right now. There hasn’t necessarily been a ton of space created for the RBs, that isn’t a huge and/or worrisome surprise given that the offensive line is still learning to play with one another. – (Brandon)
– More Scrimmage/Team Notes:
– Multiple fronts: Have been told that while OU is definitely running four-man front alignments and practicing that exclusively early on, they are also running their 30-front alignments from last year as well. In that particular front, much like last year, they have a nose aligned at the 0 and the defensive ends aligned at a 4i. Then they have Devante Bond playing OLB on one side and Eric Striker playing on the flip side. Ogbonnia Okoronkwo has been getting reps at OLB as well. Bottom line is they are playing both a 40-front alignment and a 50-front.
– Dede Westbrook: So everyone has been talking about this guy, but this past weekend a source I spoke with took the praise for Westbrook to another level. My source told me in their opinion, Westbrook could actually rival OU’s standout receiver, Sterling Shepard. Now clearly the latter has already proved himself at the D-I level while Westbrook will be making the transition from JUCO, but this comment along with the many others about just how impressive Westbrook has been thus far has certainly increased expectations.
– Middle of the field coverage: I was told that outside of Steven Parker, the safeties did not look great during Saturday’s scrimmage. Which is pretty much in line with most of what Mike Stoops has been saying throughout the week. In particular, I’m hearing that the middle of the field coverage was highly suspect during the scrimmage. Which probably helps to explain Andrews’ big day.
– Jordan Thomas: Was told that sophomore Jordan Thomas was unequivocally the best CB on the field during the scrimmage, even better than veteran starter Zack Sanchez. Which, just to be clear, is not to say Thomas has supplanted Sanchez as the team’s No. 1 corner so don’t go getting carried away. Just passing along the encouraging news that the talented Thomas is continuing to develop his game and it’s apparently paying off in the form of tangible results.
– Stanvon Taylor: Earlier in spring when Sanchez was dealing with a back injury, we told you Stanvon Taylor had taken his place in the lineup. But I was told Taylor didn’t scrimmage with the team this past Saturday and is actually out right now with an injury his own. At this point I don’t have specifics, so I do not feel comfortable sharing everything that I’ve heard. Assuming I am able to confirm the nature/specifics of the injury, we’ll be sure to pass that info along at that time.
– Quarterbacks: We’ve been told Trevor Knight continues to flash moments of brilliance, especially when the coaches allow him to use his feet, but as Brandon mentioned above it still sounds like Mayfield is still out in front at this point.
– Secondary coverage: Since I know some (many?) of you are curious given what we all witnessed last year, we’ve been told the secondary is playing both off and press man coverages. The good news is they aren’t running the press bail technique that seemed to be used to frequently (and frustratingly) utilized last year. Instead, they’re using some kind of a closed, ‘motor mirror’ technique.
– Offensive line: Really good news here in that I continue to hear glowing reports about Josiah St. John. He has been handling whatever movement, twists, etc. the defense is throwing at him. At a critical position like left tackle, it’s encouraging to know that at least some onlookers feel as though he’s capable of holding down that spot. We continue to hear Kenyon Frison has been playing well in practices, but at the same time has been somewhat inconsistent though that can be attributed mainly due to his youth and inexperience. Derek Farniok has also been getting some good reps at right tackle and looking good so far. Meanwhile with Nila Kasitati not practicing, Alex Dalton is getting first team reps at right guard with newcomer Jamal Danley at left guard. – (Super K)
– Maurice Chandler: As many of you know by now, 2016 NEO CB Maurice Chandler picked up an OU offer over the weekend. Chandler was in Norman on an unofficial visit and told TFB he really enjoyed the trip. He obviously toured the campus and facilities, but also had a chance to watch practice. Which was important to him because, in his words, it allowed him to understand what he’d be asked to do in OU’s defense. We asked Chandler if a commitment was imminent and he said, “not until close to signing day most likely…unless I feel a place is absolutely home for me.”
I’ve said it before, Chandler has potential to be a really special cornerback. I’ve talked about some of his qualities in other posts, but one of things I like most about Chandler is just how relaxed and poised he is. That’s a sign someone not only “sees” what they’re supposed to be seeing, but that they know themselves. He is aware of what he’s capable of and knows that he has more than enough athleticism and talent to face whatever challenge an opposing WR can throw at him. – (Super K)
– Brey Walker: The OK Preps 2018 class should be a good one and a name that will surely be at the top of the class is Southmoore offensive lineman Brey Walker. In fact, Walker was in Norman this weekend with teammates 2017 DB Quindon Lewis and 2018 QB Casey Thompson. Walker told us he was getting the walk through with some of the other visitors when Bob Stoops called him and his family, who were also on the trip with him, up to his office. At which point Stoops told him they don’t normally offer freshmen in high school, but he was going to go ahead and make an exception today. Walker was shocked and told me, “I thanked him and bent down to the ground and touched the floor. I then told him I have dreamed of this offer since I was this little (gesturing with his hand).” And it won’t be long before Walker make a return trip, as he said he plans to be back in Norman for this weekend’s Red/White game.
The OU offer was Walker’s second, with Ok. State being the other, but he has the look of a player that will eventually be able to claim offers from schools throughout the country. And I can tell you based on my conversations with the young man, I have very little doubt in my mind he has a bright future both on and off the football field. – (Brandon)
– Change of plans: The trio of Calvary (Shreveport, LA) and 2016 OU DB targets; Chanse Sylvie, Andraez Williams & Rodarius Williams were all scheduled to be at this weekend’s spring game, but those plans have since changed.
Instead, they will be taking part in a 7-on-7 tournament in Dallas. However, I have been told they plan on getting back to Norman soon after. So while this news is certainly disappointing, I wouldn’t take it as a negative in any way with regards to OU’s chances. Just unfortunate timing is all. – (Brandon)
– Joshua Jackson: Had a chance to catch up with 2016 QB Josh Jackson (Saline, MI) this past weekend, who will be in Norman this week (Apr. 8) for an unofficial visit. The talented QB prospect continues to build a relationship with Lincoln Riley and while an OU offer has yet to be officially made, Jackson is hopeful that will change during this visit.
And the Sooners certainly aren’t the only school showing interest in Jackson. He’s also hearing from schools like Virginia Tech, Penn State and North Carolina in addition to the several other schools he already holds an offer from.
I asked him if he was excited about the upcoming visit, “Yes. To be offered by OU would be great. It doesn’t get much better than that.” If OU does offer, it will be interesting to see if Jackson pulls the trigger. Which I get the sense could be a definite possibility. But at the same time with more recent Austin Kendall offer and news the Sooners are currently his top school, the coaches may hold off on an offer for now. We’ll just have to wait and see how things play out. – (Brandon)
– Chris Baccus: The current 2016 NEO and former Beggs High School linebacker made his way down to Norman this past weekend with his teammates 2015 DE Austin Roberts and the newly offered 2016 CB Maurice Chandler. Baccus said he enjoyed the visit and admits to growing up an OU fan. He also shared that Tim Kish talked to him a bit, and said he’d be up to watch Baccus soon for an NEO spring practice.
Baccus said Kish told him he loves his size and film, but it’s always good to see a player move around in person. Baccus talks to Kish and Dennis Simmons quite a bit and there is a feeling from those around the NEO linebacker that if the Sooners like what they see from Baccus at this eval, then he will likely get an offer. – (Brandon)
– Levi Draper: if you’ve been reading TFB in recent weeks, you already know Levi Draper’s name. The 2017 LB out of Collinsville (OK) was in Norman this past weekend, and told us none other than Bob Stoops has taken a personal interest in his recruitment. In fact, Stoops went out of his way to approach Draper prior to OU’s scrimmage on Saturday to officially introduce himself in person. Draper said he couldn’t have been more pleased with the visit and ‘loved every minute of it.’ As he continues to garner attention from around the country, one has to wonder how long it will be until OU offers. – (Brandon)
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Dang…I’m on a roll!
Second!!
Re: Middle of the field defense issues.. I am curious if this is a talent level issue or are we talking busted coverage’s again? Not really sure which one I would prefer at this point, I would think that these guys would be showing signs of improvement at some point.
IMO…I think it may be a mixture of talent and development. Development is a big deal it makes me think of the difference between Ship’s last couple of years before Montgomery came in. The CB’s have been playing a certain way or a number of years, and that isn’t going to chance within a couple of weeks or even months, it takes time and learning to trust the system and having the players that fit it.
Looks like potential for some freshmen to see playing time. Really surprised at the lack of development in the backfield. At least we’ll be able to put up points though…
Sounds like there is at least a chance they’re gonna have to in order to win games.
Yeah, I get the feeling that we will have to win a lot of shootouts to have a 10 or 11 win season.
I want to believe, but w/ the schedule this year and the number of ?s I feel like this team still has I just don’t see 10 wins happening. Would LOVE to be wrong though.
I see 10 as doable. Eleven? Not so much…
That’s fair
If Kahlil comes in with enough weight on him, I’ll bet he at least has a chance to push Byrd or Thomas for a spot. He’s weighing around 185 lbs right now. He hits with bad intentions. If he can come in at 190 lbs I’d feel comfortable putting him on the field assuming he could play the position.
I like Sunderland’s chances for early playing time as well. He showed up as a big hitter as well in his all-star appearance. He really didn’t get much of a chance to show what he could do in coverage in the game I saw. How do you compare his cover skills to Haughton or even McKinney?
He is a big kid so he is going to struggle changing directions. Seen him play several times and I think he is an upgrade over A Thomas. If he is matched up with smaller WRs he will have trouble but the kid can run.
Kahlil is a bad mama jamma. I still cannot believe we landed him from Baylor’s backyard. Him and PJ both… I hope they see the field.
I agree. I had high hopes for both Byrd and Thomas when they committed to OU. Those hopes are beginning to fade. It really seems like a lack of speed issue to me.
Im especially excited to see what Haughton can do. Also McKinney.
I’m w/ you. I was convinced Byrd was gonna be a star.
What are your thoughts on my post below?
I would agree that IMO things were unnecessarily complicated last year. These guys aren’t idiots, but I felt like at times they were treated as such. But that’s also coming from someone on the outside just hearing things second hand so….
Fear, I don’t think it’s speed. I think that for whatever reason, they get confused. Wes Unseld played center for the Washington Bullets at 6’7″. Short for that period as he competed with the likes of Chamberlain, Hawkins, Gilmore, and Jabbar to name a few. Yet, he always led the league in rebounding. Bill Russell even said that he got half of his rebounds before the shot hit the rim. That comes from calculating trajectory and going the correct spot.
Byrd and Thomas need to see the field better. They need to know where coverage will be (their team mates) and where they need to be (understanding the areas which will not be covered), eliminating the possibility of getting fooled.
You might be right and in fact I hope that you are as at least thats not a talent issue and potentially fixable. That being said Im just bothered by the number of people who have stated that Thomas in particular just doesnt have the neccesary speed to be a safety.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens when the 3 freshmen safetys come in to see how they do ( despite their lack of experience ) by comparison.
Yeah, I think brain speed is more important that foot speed!!
Both are kind of stiff. Byrd can still be good, but he’ll be a bruiser. Coverage may be difficult for him, and Thomas.
Well said. Several times After a big pass play Sanchez would look over to the safeties as if to say “where were you”? They played “slow” because (maybe) they were second guessing and reacting a beat too late.
Speaking of rebounding reference… Remember Ernie Abercrombie for OU? That dude was like a 6’4″ PF and always had tons of boards! Anticipation is an absolute skill.
Big Ernie was tough as nails.
Byrd was my pick as well. Its the awareness too. That instinct just isn’t there. I cannot recall how many times he was just burned in coverage.
This open post was one of the better ones. Any word on the format as far as the Spring game is concerned? Not sure about our depth. I expect to see a high scoring affair if our safety valves are this bad. If Cooks cannot help our guys get their issues sorted out, looks like we’ll be blitzing a lot this year.
Before somebody can question why you would blitz when the back end is shaky: Once a play exceeds 4-5 seconds, the secondary has likely already broken down as a natural progression of a play. The safeties will have chosen their path (or not), possibly leaving something open downfield. In order to prevent that, you blitz. 🙂
They were getting beat in less than 3 seconds and against Baylor the coverage was beat by the time the snap got to the qb. Dropping 8 made no difference. But the defense was left out there after some bad drives by our offense. Hopefully there is a carry over in attitude and confidence from the offense to the defense.
DBs weren’t strong/skilled enough to play bump n’ run– that’s why they lined up so far away. D blitzed, but the DBs were 8 yds off, leaving simple slants wide open to gash us for 6-15 yds at a time.
The linebacker position plays a very big role in middle of the field coverage as well. That is a group that has been nothing short of extremely bad in coverage for the most part the past three years.
Definitely an area Oklahoma is going to have to improve in.
+1
Another Reason why Ahmad Thomas should spin down to LB, rather than deep safety where he has struggled
Hard to see him being any better in coverage at LB than he was at S, IMO. Not sure why a position change would fix things.
shorter areas to cover on the field than at safety where you need some speed, which he does not have
Fair point.
Thomas’ ability to stop, change direction, and run (fast) has been a bit difficult for him. Perhaps he has some issue with reading plays, too. He’s good at running straight and tackling.
He played LB in high school. Maybe he is comfortable close to the line
Totally wrong.. LB coverage has been great, you won’t find any better than Alexander, Evans, Striker, and Shannon when he was eligible.
I would have to respectfully disagree, strongly.
Me too!
Go back and watch the tape..
I’ve watched plenty, and I stand firmly by my opinion.
I know you do. I just don’t see it. If you say the DL did what they were asked to do stopping the run (and not rush the passer) what are you expecting the LBs to do, not help with the run, all drop back ?
Well, at a minimum I’d expect them to be able to shed a block and make a play. Which is something I think Alexander has struggled w/ ever since they put him on the field.
I’d just have a very hard time being convinced OU’s LB play hasn’t been pretty average, at best, for the most part in at least the last couple years.
And, fwiw, not that I’d expect you to necessarily care (and I don’t mean that in a dickish way, just more so you seem pretty convinced to the opposite) but I’m pretty sure I’m in the majority on that opinion.
I will disagree I have no problem with anyone’s opinion. I will say I believe that group will be the best in the Big 12 this year, and not just Striker.
I admire your enthusiasm. But going back to 08′ with Ryan Reynolds we’ve had a problem with coverage over the middle. ESPN’s Herbie always liked to point it out. The last decent LB’S in coverage were 2005-06 Rufus, and Clint Ingram, and Lofton 07.
True, but 2 yrs ago we were top 10 in pass defense so was that just the secondary and last yr it was only the DL that stopped the run ??
I strongly agree with Jordan. And I’ve watched the tape of every game. LB coverage was average at best from OLB, and poor from ILB’s. Alexander snd Evans play the run nicely, but look completely lost in coverage. Tejas and Tech killed us with routes against ILB coverages.
Could be true that the ILBs were “lost” in coverage. I would also submit that we have to know what play was called in order to understand who is covering which player.
If a LB gets confused and loses someone in a seam route, then that could be pretty bad.
If a LB has trouble covering an out route, then I’m not as concerned. Those aren’t easy.
You need to show us the tape. I have watched the tape of the linebackers….but judging from your posts you simply haven’t.
Linebacker play has been an issue as Jordan said for years. Texas abused the Oklahoma linebackers, and Dom Alexander, with simple option routes and Kansas State worked the linebackers for big plays.
Putting it all on the safeties and saying they have to be Ed Reed in order to have good play on the backend makes me wonder what you watch?
If you and @disqus_spBqLi2IoD:disqus are watching actual video tape, then you’re both wrong. I need to introduce you to a friend of mine from a place called 2015. #jokes
Individually they are great in coverage, and rush defense. Where they and MStoops struggled at was pressure packages other than Striker and even he was non existent late in the yr.
Did you not watch the Tejas game where Swoopes abused our middle LB’s on passes? It was awful.
That was scheme Swoopes (Texas) had not done that all yr. they got better as the game went on.. Also we can knit pick play after play like when Evans tipped the ball and Wilson took it for a pick 6 vs Tenn. But my point is the LB were not the problem. It was scheme and lack of a All American Safety that I think every team in the Big 12 needs.
LB has been a problem, and a pretty significant one, for several years now, IMO.
I’m not an expert, but I’ve heard Rufus Alexander (NFL LB for several yrs) speak on how the LBs played in the pass last year. He said he went back to every game and broke down only the LB coverage; he said it was more their fault than the safeties. He said that the coverage was so poor at LB that the safeties had to cheat up to help out and thus got beat over the top. He claims that the safeties looked bad (they are the last resort and most obvious people to look at when you get beat over the middle) but that it had more to do with the safeties helping out LBs who couldn’t get deep enough in their coverage. Like I said, I am not an expert, but Rufus does have interest in OU LB play and claims to break down film just on the LB play.
I am LOL’n that you had to explain who Rufus Alexander was on a sooner board. Dude was a beast… Anyway, carry on.
ha! good point. i am too LOL now u say it
No worries. When an All American speaks, I’d listen too, so its good info…. Sad part is the pedigree at OU for Linebackers. Rocky Calmus, Boz, Lofton, Rufus…. Hope we can add Striker, Deberry and McGuiness to this list this year.
Or Shannon? What do you think? I thought he was pretty good so far.
Forgot about him. Stoked to have him back
Maybe I am alone here but it just feels like the linebacker group has lost that edge post Venables.
You would always hear him preaching and coaching his guys to not only play with good technique but also to play violently and with an amazing amount of emotion. Those linebackers were the heartbeat of the defense emotionally. Heck….he had them watching the Ultimate Warrior clips so they understood how to perform with emotion.
I don’t know if it’s Kish’s teaching or personality…or if it has just been Mike de-emphasizing the linebacker position, but that intensity and emotion that formed an edge just isn’t around the defense any longer.
Even Venables’s lesser defenses had some of that. Shutting down FSU and KO’ing receivers and stomping Klein into the ground all bloody.
You’re not alone. I don’t know what the specific cause is either but I agree that the edge hasn’t been there since coach v left.
You are not alone. His defenses were complicated but he put out the backers
Hard to argue with Mr Alexander.
The stats beg to differ.
I would definitely agree with that. their drops and lack of identifying their responsibilities in coverage killed us. Plus the lack of shedding blockers or over running plays also put this defense in a bad spot
I would try one of the CB’s at the safety spot if coverage is an issue.
Plus the JUCO DB that came in Will Johnson, why not play him at safety?
Which corner tho? Most of the guys they have there currently on campus are probably undersized for corner, let alone safety.
They had Cortez Johnson and never tried him at safety.
But Will Johnson for example would probably be better at coverage than the safeties we have now
I’d grant you that one, but the way I read what you wrote was another CB besides Johnson. Hence, my ?
Johnson seemed too stiff in coverage. Is he even still on the team? If you look at the OU roster the CB position seems rather thin as does the safety slots. The incoming freshmen will certainly be given a good look to see early playing time.
Cortez, no. Will, yes.
I know it’s just spring practice and it’s against a poor secondary, but really sounds hopeful that under Riley and Simmons, Andrews is going to be a load and Dede is going to take some of the coverage attention away from Shep. And the bits of film have shown KJ making some catches.
Much fewer worries on O than D (says captain obvious). Assuming the OL can hold up & whomever gets the nod at QB doesn’t throw the ball to the other team, I’m pretty confident the O will be fine.
Brey Walker…wow, I can’t believe that kid is a freshman.
Great info. You guys are the best, no comparison..
thanks for reading!
What an honor it is for Brey Walker to be the first FR ever offered by Stoops (at least as best as I can recall). It’s encouraging that he was so excited to get the offer and to learn that the Sooners have been his childhood favorite. I’m a little surprised he didn’t accept the offer on-the-spot.
I was thinking Myron Rolle was offered as a Freshman. Could be wrong though (it won’t be the first time).
I think you are right about Rolle. I forgot about him.
Hope to hear a boom from Marvin Terry on Sat!
Judging just by what we know at this point. What do you all think of the over under in total points scored in OUs games this year. I’ll put it at 85.
Over or Under?
I’ll go over on that. LR is going to let the clutch all the way out early on just to see what he’s got. We might score 70-80 against Akron. Not predicting a great season yet; too many unknowns. That said, we could get close to that 85 points in a single game if things really get out of hand.
I am with yiu on the cautious optimism. That OU line lost two very good OTs.
Ok, I’m going to assume you didn’t think this through, otherwise you’re trolling hard. You realize an under of 84 pts is 7 pts per game, right? That’s lower than SMU’s last year, who ranked last in FBS with 11 pts per game.
Im talking about 85 points combined by both teams PER GAME.
Just so long as the numbers under the OU side of the scoreboard are higher than that on the opponents’.
In that case, I’d hope under. While I would love to see the good guys scoring over 40 pts a game, our defense would be showing very little improvement if the other teams were scoring that high.
Just FYi Drew, While your info is appreciated Fear the Magic is not a troll. He has been a regular poster here for quite a while.
Thanks Blaster
Sorry about that, no offense meant. My bad.
And this is just one of the many badass things about this site…folks actually try NOT to be dicks to one another…
Novel concept, huh? 😉
Ditto. Jordan, you guys have created this atmosphere. The TFB posters have complied. I love coming here.
Resistance is futile. 🙂
No problem Drew
Oh, I know, which is why I assumed he hadn’t thought it through. Looks like my tone didn’t come through too well.
Blaster, that’s major cool. Not that you should care but you’ve earned cool-points in my book. I love this site.
Can confirm.
Sorry. Like I said, it came off much harsher than I intended, I meant to be facetious.
It wasn’t a big deal, I’m just playing along.
no worries dude
85 is a lot of points. I say under and go with 65 as the over and under
Since the closest we have ever come is 76 I will take the under. Only if you combined our best Offense (51, Stoops 2008) and our worst defense (36, Blake 1996) do you get over 85. That is 1 year each out of 120 year history and those two did not occur in the same year. You are basically talking about combining the best offense with the worst defense to get above 85. That seems unlikely.
You are probably correct sir
Interesting to me that all of the players identified as standouts at scrimmage are players that our offense did not have at its disposal last year.
Great post for Monday, lots of good information. If you guys get word of Stoops going to watch Draper play this year, let us know because I don’t want to miss that game.
Great writeup !!
It would be nice to have a 6 foot 3 safety back in the secondary again. Sunderland not only has the height and length but the athleticism to be special back there. I’m picking him to play over the other freshman safeties. McKinney also looks like a ball hawk that we have not had back there for a really long time.
Agreed. Mckinney’s film reminded me of a young Jefferson. I think Haughlin (sp?) will make a push for playing time if his football intelligence is as sharp as reported and if Thomas continues to struggle.
Of the three I would have to go with McKinney. If Haughton were a bit heavier in the rear end I would pick him, I think he’s the best of the three in the long run.
I’ve got Haughton
Haughton +1
Thanks for the information! I know I am not the only one that has mixed feelings about practice reports. If the D looks good does that mean the offense is weak or if the offense is ripping the D does that mean the D is weak? I guess the better way to look at it is individual battles. Does the hurry up tempo change the conditioning and size of the OL?
Apologies for my onslaught of posts. BUT, Westbrrok seems to be exposing what the WR corps lacked last season and that was precise cuts and routes. The combination of renewed competition and coaching should really get that ironed out I don’t know much about the new WR coach. It I know Gundy will brook no sloppy and half-arsed efforts. I have a hunch Gundy is not totally out of the RB coaching as it has been said the RBs sometime flex out in the slot. I would think that shifts the coaching over to the WR coaching as that is their “territory”. Also, I wonder how much of the sloppy WR play of the past impacted the development of the DBs? Iron sharpens iron, right? How can a DB hone their skills if a WR is rounding off his routes or has very little explosion out of a cut?
Precise routes is exactly what is needed in the Air Raid. Westbrook’s speed is a bonus. Read good things about fellow speedster John Humphrey as well. Either one can take the top off a defense. Throw in Andrews to exploit the middle and we have the depth and the potential with our RBs to be scary good.
I have my theory. I love Josh Heupel, but I think his offense was not creative, and that hurt the WR & QB play. He knows football, without a doubt, but he tried to teach the QBs and WRs how to look at coverage and make a play. He didn’t spend a lot of time trying to confuse defenses, like Baylor and Riley does. He didn’t put a lot of guys in motion, line them up in different spots, etc. I always thought it wasn’t that they weren’t coached well on fundamentals or even executed poorly, necessarily, but that Heupel didn’t give them an advantage to succeed as much as he could have by showing more sets. Mainly, our QB and WRs I thought just had to plain beat the D coverage. The defenses could disguise at will against the O b/c they pretty much knew how we were going to line up, then it was up to the QB and WRs to figure the D out and make the play. Baylor and Riley’s Os say we are going to confuse the D as much as we can and give our QB and WRs as much of an advantage as we can. JMO on our O the past few yrs under Heupel.
Makes sense. I was amazed at how Huepel could be creative such as those pitch out plays with Saunders against OSU and then be at a loss when OU just couldn’t line up an beat guys.
Hard to say if it’s purely talent when you also have new coaching. There was some really negative stuff about Norvell. Case in point, use of Bell and (non) use of Andrews
Love the OP. The best read of all the sites in the morning. Especially now that I’m kickin’ the sugar habit. No more sweet coffee.
You know whats funny, everyone is mentioning all these receivers and how good the offense looks. And Shepard and Perine hardly even scrimmage.
Offense will be really really good
Not expecting to see either on Saturday as well, fwiw.
Any word on Todd/Mead? Would like to see the big receivers have some impact
We’ve had some pretty positive stuff on Todd in previous reports, haven’t heard a ton about Mead thus far. Although I’d fully expect him to be in that outside WR rotation, especially after playing and not redshirting last year. Still needs to bulk up that from some tho
Saw a picture of him in practice, he looks like he’s put on some muscle since last season (arms/upper body), still had a ways to go though. Summer will be an important time for him.
From the sound’s of it looks like some of the young safeties might be thrust into action. Here’s to hoping we can get these defensive kinks ironed out ( takes a shot of Jack).
Looking at how Parker / J Thomas / Perine and others were able to contribute immediately do you think the incoming LB’s (fall freshmen) stand a good chance at playing time? Any new developments on Frank Shannon? Also with the comments about Jordan Thomas above I think it was more about the coaching last season and the fact he was a true frosh. IMO, I think having better coaching from Cooks will help develop him and also make Sanchez an even better player. I believe the defense will be better against the pass just from working with the new offensive scheme throughout the summer, which will make them better against the West Virginias and the Baylors.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm: https://twitter.com/ClowESPN/status/585142372738039810
Erg. Unless that means lots of corner blitzes I’m not liking it too much. Do we have big enough DBs to stop the run game?
Tavon Austin says “sweet.”
That was my very first thought!
too soon 😉
I want this to be fluff but my first reaction:
https://saramcevoydotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/jackie-chan-why.jpg
Defense is already on their heels.
It would be interesting to hear other expert opinions if this is the “solution” or not.
I’ve always defined a big play as 15+ yards. I understand critical 3rd/4th down situations. What do you consider a big play?
I think yours is a fair standard, although I’d add to it down/distance/time of the game in which said “big play” occurs. That type of stuff.
Meaning if you have to get a stop on 4th & 2 to effectively win the game, failing to get that stop IMO would qualify as a big play. So 15+ yards isn’t just a blanket standard I guess is what I’m getting at.
That could be. However, probability will tell us that, many times, a 4th and 2 isn’t in the defense’s favor. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/05/upshot/4th-down-when-to-go-for-it-and-why.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0
We saw such an instance in the Super Bowl. The play that was called (a dreaded pass play so close to the goal line) was a good one. It wasn’t executed well.
It is about down and distance. It is about momentum. There is this issue about the likelihood of stopping a play regardless of those things, too.
UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep throwing guys out there til one of ’em sticks!
I get the frustration, but why is Mike still taking heat for a position he no longer coaches? I get that everyone wants to hear “everything is set and we have a proven formula” like Riley has done with WRs but going by the point spread Baylor and TCU unleashed, I’d wager that its hard keep people from scoring in this offense.
Don’t mistake me for an apologist, I am trying to be more objective. If they are still playing off-man and getting burned, it’ll be a sh*t storm
I’d assume it’s b/c he’s still running the defense and, as such, will have the say in how many DBs they play. And in this particular instance, if the secondary is the weak link of the D (again) as it sounds like it may be (admittedly, it’s super early so I’m certainly not writing in pen quite yet), then scheming to get more of them on the field seems to make very little sense.
Oh, and I did read something today (can’t remember where now off the top of my head) but it was Mike saying he was still keeping an eye on the secondary and referred to himself and Cooks as responsible for it so….
But that’s just my best guess.
It sometimes befuddles me to recall that Bob was once a defensive coordinator.
And a pretty darn good one, at that.
The offensive game has passed the Stoops’ brothers by. Ironically, Bob is partially at fault for the offenses he can’t stop!
Point me to a coach that consistently handles the spread offense
I agree JD. Everyone seems to want to overlook what Alabama is doing. They are giving up quite a few points to these spread offenses.
Saban hates the spread HUNH more than anything..He’s even tried to no avail to get it slowed down because it threatens his dominance as a defensive minded coachteam
repost…IMO the 08 Defense is the closest we’ve had to an answer for the spread but not enough teams to test that theory…We absolutely dominated Tech…I’d start there when looking for answers
Very true.
Art Briles certainly is handling it, from the offensive side.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/11/7/5073520/baylor-football-offense-art-briles-2013
But the gripe is about Mike Stoops and winning a shootout against TCU is not dominating against the spread from a defensive perspective…It’s a shootout…NCAA loves it…more points equals higher ratings and more mulah
I know. I think every defensive coach goes into anaphylactic shock when trying to prepare for spread teams.
IMO the 08 Defense is the closest we’ve had to an answer for the spread but not enough teams to test that theory…We absolutely dominated Tech…I’d start there when looking for answers
I don’t expect anyone to “handle” it, but it’d be nice to see the Stoops’ boys at least slow it down occasionally.
That’s tough, my man. Like jumping as high as you can with one foot attached to the ground.
The easier task may be to re-conceptualize what “acceptable” performance means against some teams.
Acceptable performance? How ’bout not losing to the OSU’s, Baylors, TCU’s and K-States of the world? Call me old school, but I remember when those were the schools you scheduled for Homecoming!
Ok. You’re old school and haven’t adjusted your thinking to what’s right in front of you. Baylor uses every inch of the field, making it tremendously difficult to contain them. OSU, in the past, has put forth packaged plays that are tricky to stop (OU will probably do this, too). Both of these teams have talent these days. Might want to adjust to the times.
I just want OU to adjust to the times!!
What else would they do if, for example, Baylor comes out in a 4 WR, 1 RB set? With that set, Baylor is going to stretch the field horizontally and vertically; WRs (sometimes lined up outside the numbers) running verticals, crossing routes, and up the seam as well as the RB executing the read option, then going to the flat…
It’s a headache: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/11/7/5073520/baylor-football-offense-art-briles-2013
Makes sense but I think his honesty is being interpreted as cluelessness or an attempt to randomly try different combinations. Given last year, I can see why it’s frustrating.
I do want him to keep tweaking the defense until it clicks.
I understand where you’re coming from, but part of me also feels like if they just keep “tweaking” things all the time they’ll never actually be great at any one thing.
I think the D coordinator is entitled to praise when things go well and criticism when they don’t, unless the players are not following the scheme.
Me no likey
6-man? Isn’t that what got us in trouble before? The 4-1-6? The other issue besides the number of DBs on the field, is can they tackle? I hope Mike knows what he’s doing. because not many of us do.
Baylor had some 5 wide sets last year…sometimes you have to adapt to what the offense is giving you..it’s good that they are developing a dime package in case they have to use it
I am again educated. Thank you.
This is true. However, without significant pressure we’ll get beat every time.
Disguised blitzes and pressure from the front 4 (w Striker)
I’d say something like a 30 front Dime package.
Link: http://brophyfootball.blogspot.com/2010/09/30-dime-package-part-i.html
I had to check the date of the tweet in case it came out on April fools…. 🙁
Who the hell is Chris Low?
He’s this guy. And that’s where he’s keeping it down.
Writer for ESPN
Noticed that from his handle. I have, literally, never heard of him. Just the thought of anyone at ESPN having any idea what’s going on at OU gives me a little chuckle.
PRESSURE THE QB MIKE! What works against Brady? PRESSURE, with coverage. I can’t wait to see a three man rush and 6 in coverage and the 2 LBS covering nothing but dirt again this year.
Suspect secondary is not good
Not good at all. same issues as last year
Really disappointing news. If you have a poor secondary, either put different guys in, or devise schemes like the Steelers had and not allow the QB time to throw the ball. I will not stand for another Baylor 45 point barrage again this year.
http://m.newsok.com/oklahoma-quarterback-battle-ten-things-to-know-about-edmond-santa-fe-product-justice-hansen/article/5407764
No. 1 – He’s not winning the gig.
/stops reading
😉
We will see…long way to go before that is determined. I’m not saying he will win it because I was very impressed with Baker the few times I saw him even last spring…even thought he was the best QB on team. I’m sure that is why they fought for his eligibility. I do believe Justice will start at some point during his career here, though.
oumike, thanks for posting. I had not seen this. And forgive Jordan for his rudeness.
Next time I’ll go w/ a bigger winky face emoticon I guess
I wasn’t offended. I know you by now. Lol
I feel pretty safe making that prediction, long way to go or not.
If the D ends up giving up 28 ppg but the offense is back to averaging 100 + plays a game, how will the overall numbers be viewed by fans/critics? IMO the D could make strides this year but not look good if you go purely off of stats because of the offense that will be run.
Good point. Our defense would be on the field a lot if we’re scoring at a high rate. Depth and conditioning could be an issue. The other thing is the offenses we’ll be facing. Most of them will be striving to run 100 or more plays as well. Hell, even Roll Tide, noted for their athletes and defense, have a ton of problems with up tempo spread schemes. (Insert Sugar Bowl and Bert Bilema, Arkansas’ HC, here). Personally, given the problems we’re having with our secondary, I don’t think we’ll be able to shut down the TCU’s and Baylor’s. Who can? So, maybe our best defense will be a top-10 offense.
It’ll come down to wins and losses…go 11-2 and win games 52-28 and folks will give them a pass…go 8-4 averaging 28ppg on D and the final transformation into TTU may have taken place
Agreed. No one would care how many points we give up in the National Championship game if OU is one point better.
Oh some would complain, but a win is a win regardless of whether its 14-13 or 49-48
If we lose any games, even if it’s to Baylor 31-28, there will be people who complain. Heck, there were people who complained about not beating OSU by enough points in 2000.
Hopefully we will see an emphasis on pass pressure using our athleticism and speed rush. A great and fearsome pass rush helps protect a potentially suspect secondary. In the TN game last year, we saw Striker in the backfield almost every snap. It was also the last game we looked like a threat to wreak havoc in the backfield of an opponent.
I’m impressed with the personal interest Bob seems to be taking with recruiting this year. I can’t even count the number of recruits who have said that Bob is very personally involved in their recruitment. Hopefully this will result in big dividends come next February.
Sorry to be off topic, but, Opening Day is here!! It’s like a holiday to me. Rooting for my Braves. All the “experts” say it’s a rebuilding year, but I’m confident we’ll surprise some people this year. Maybe not divisions champs (Nats look salty) but I expect to be there til the end. Who y’all rooting for?
Die hard Cubbie(Moms folks are from Chi town area)
Wrigley gonna look strange with that jumbotron out there.
Yeah, I’ve watched a couple spring training games and last night…some talent but not ready to compete…gotta hope they keep the players they have instead of trading them away
I can’t wait for Bryant to get there. He looks GOOD.
Yep, he might be the one who finally…oh nvm I wont even bring it up 🙂
Rangers til the day I die.
Tough luck for Darvish this season.
Rotation took a huge hit without him, like OU football back in 2009 haha.
I’ve never understood how anyone can care about a 162-game regular season, let alone take it so seriously.
Yeah, I wouldn’t mind if they scaled it back to 154.
Baseball and cricket are much alike in that you must first give up the silly notion that they are sports before you can enjoy them. Think of them as analogous to the piano player in a restaurant: they are there to provide background to eating, drinking and enjoying a day out. Perhaps that analogy is a bit strained. Think of baseball, instead, as a mime working the outdoor tables at a nice coffee shop. Still not working for you? Hmmm. Maybe the telenovela playing, sound off, from the top of the drink cooler in your favorite bodega. No? Ah, I have it! Sounding out Joyce’s Ulysses, in the original Gaelic (which you presumably don’t understand), while eating an overpriced but delicious brat. Baseball would be the book part of that tableau.
Swing and a miss. What makes baseball not a sport? Were you just not good at it?
Probably one of those kids you HAD to give 6 outs and an AB in Little League.
Yeah. Seems when people suck at something, they mock it. Round ball, round bat, nuff said
to mock something, I think you need have cruel intent. Which I deny. I’m more poking fun at, rather than mocking.
What’s the old saw? That baseball is a sport for accountants while football appeals to lawyers? And isn’t it nice that there’s an entertainment out there for those to whom it appeals.
Although I played sports throughout hs and until I broke my neck in college (div 3), frankly, I was never very good at much athletically. When compared to ‘real’ athletes. So, that’s out of the way.
And I’ve played my share of family reunion softball/baseball. And enjoyed it. Just so long as I can be left alone in the outfield with my cold beverage and the peace of my thoughts.
I jest, of course when I call it not a sport and yet, with the glacial pace, the utter meaninglessness of individual games, much less individual at bats or pitches, throws, etc.it seems like a huge expenditure of time and effort resulting in nearly nothing.
You may enjoy it and I’m happy for you that you do. But please allow me to amuse myself at the sport’s expense. At least until such time as the US version takes a note from Japan and starts serving hot toddies during cold early season games. A couple or ten of them and I’d consider coming early for batting practice.
Haha. Ok. I played from 5 til 35 and made a living from it so I can’t call it good for nothing. But you are welcome to dislike it. Seems people either love it or hate it…and no its not the Christian Laettner of sports 🙂
I met Tommy Lasorda in a hotel elevator in Seoul about 15 years ago. Conned him into buying me a beer.
so I should have more appreciation. Even I got something out of the sport.
Haha. There you go. I get why people don’t like it. But those are the exact reasons why we love it
Word.
I had no idea, boomersooner…btw, I neither love nor hate it…does that mean I’m a weirdo? Nevermind…you don’t have to answer that. I already know…
Naw not weird. You’re quirky
Still laughing about the Christian Laettner comment! Pure gold!
I loved playing (I was a catcher) and enjoyed watching for many years, but only at the amateur level since the last strike.
And what is the Laettner thing about, anyway?
Everybody loves him or hates him. Just like baseball
Oh.
I don’t get it, what has he done to make people hate him, score the game winning shot at the natty with no time left on clock?
Stomped on ‘ol boys face for one
Did not know that.
chest*
If there were ever a perfect post, this would be it…
Nonsense
LOL. I’m not that big of a baseball fan, but I do appreciate it as a part of our national fabric. Just thought the post was way better than saying “it’s irrelevant”.
I smell what you’re cooking. The post itself was somewhat creative. The analogy, however, was utter nonsense. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Indeed. If someone were to say the same about football, I’d likely be offended. I loved baseball when I was a kid, but I just fell away from it. I believe it was/is because of the length of the season. I guess I feel the same way about the NBA. There are too many games for it to remain interesting to me for an entire season.
A touch polarizing, but your complement is appreciated.
I like cricket. I don’t like baseball. So, in that way, they are not alike.
Any sport where you break for tea is suspect. Then again, cricket had Shane Warne; so they had that going for them.
As is, “Warne, put your wanger away.”
to me, think it’s a sport that’s a lot more fun to attend vs tv………may watch the equivalent of 1-2 games all regular season………however, depending on the teams, I’ve really enjoyed all the playoffs in recent yrs where the drama lives and pics of fans chewing their nails, cheering/groaning/praying with each pitch…….the playoffs are good stuff
I love baseball… If I cant spend the day on a beach I can spend watching baseball in the sun, beer in hand…. Plus it puts one day closer to football
I should have told the track coach to kiss off when coach Wilson wanted me to join the baseball team as a pinch runner, thought they were gonna get into a fight over it. Like I would turn an ankle on a base….phfffffttt!.
Haha. Coach Ray used to make us run a mile around the the outfield, except there were some ((cough cough)) big girls in the class older than me, so he always made me run 2-3 more to make sure they ran 10. Yay me. Lol!! Alan Wilson, he was a fun teacher during baseball season… Lmao
No ankle jokes allowed
One of the best days of the year…unless you had to be part of the festivities. I always hated that part. Doesn’t seem like you got much for Kimbrel. You got quantity but doesn’t seem like quality
More of a salary dump than anything. I think Wisler is going to be pretty good. Maybin is still young. I’ve always thought closers are overrated. If Johnson didn’t have the spring he did, Kimbrel would still be a Brave.
Grilli had a nice spring, also.
Yeah. I figured it was salary. What have you got? 2 yrs for new stadium? Maybe get some new excitement ready for it. I’m not a fan of maybin. Quentin is about done. 41st pick could be nice. I loved my time in atl but we had our hearts ripped out in ’11. Great organization but I hate Fredi
Yep. New stadium is scheduled to open in ’17. Quentin was DFA today. I was ecstatic about the John Hart hire. I like what he’s done so far. I don’t think Fredi will be the manager when the new stadium opens. Also, traded a low level prospect for the 72nd? pick in this year’s draft. Future looks bright in ATL.
Hart knows his stuff. I like him too
I miss Bobby
One of the greatest people I’ve ever had the pleasure of getting to know. The classiest of class acts
Not gonna lie. Pretty jealous.
Walker commit yet?
Better stay close to the multi-colored phone bank, young man.
I’m never too far away, sir.
Whaley called yet?
Not yet
grew up dodger blue and couldn’t tell you much about them now……….interestingly, the okc minor league team is now a dodger farm club
And Tulsa, too.
Opening Day was last night when the might Cardinals put a whoopin’ on the baby bears. 🙂
Is Sylvie a Tennessee lean?
I don’t believe so.
Sec country will tell you yes. But I think he’s more of an OU lean and is probably the only school he would choose outside lsu.
Know it from a very, very reliable source that sylvie isn’t a vol lean. As I stated in the OP, the love OU and are open right now.
Thanks TFB, great post today. Best info anywhere!
Here’s a good write up on Austin Kendall, he does a lot of evaluations on HS players much like the evals that TFB once did or occasionally still do.
Link: http://sonofacoach.com/austin-kendall/
Solid and detailed eval.
Nice find!
He’s a good guy. He may actually be writing with us soon
I found out about him around a month ago and I’ve really enjoyed his write-ups, it would be pretty exciting if you guys could get together, in my opinion.
Very good article. I would love seeing this guy writing some for TFB.
Good article!
Great in-depth analysis. Thanx for sharing.
Very nice National Anthem and intro to the game tonight.
Thanks guys! Haven’t been posting as much being crazy busy, but LOVE checking in for these practice notes when possible.
geez, think kaminsky has a lucrative pro future?
Meh. Reminds me of Nenad Krstic.
congrats devils……..helluva game, helluva program
I despise Duke…
Was really rooting for Wisconsin.
I don’t despise them, at least they graduate players(unlike Caintuck).
Still, I was pulling for Wis. They at least know what school colors look best.
I abhor Duke for Christian Laettner. Obnoxious, dangerous, narcissistic, semi-psychopathic punk*** jerkoff who deserved no sports success at all. Dirty, filthy, cheating brat. And Duke didn’t just let him get away with his behavior – no – they groomed, encouraged and celebrated it. I’d rather wear a texas shirt and stomp on an Eagle Globe and Anchor than watch his antics. And I’d NEVER do either of those things.
Next time I’ll tell you how I really feel about him. 😛
Don’t know his life story, just that he was baller.
Never ask me what I think of a certain DE at Baylor.
Duke is one of those teams that you either love or hate.
Yeah. I’m a definite Grumpy Cat for Duke.
Always appreciate the info the TFB staff provides, you guys are tireless.
The things I look forward to in order are the spring game, the recruit evaluation period, the rest of the 2015 class hitting campus in about two months, summer camp and finally the 2015 season.
Just clopping along, like an old horse pulling a buggy.
/hate the off season
I know this is an OU football board, but go Duke!!!!!!!!!!
OU undergrad, but did residency training and fellowship at Duke. Proud of the Blue Devils tonight!
Okay.
Umm… Ok.
Haters gonna hate.
Soonersports practice report on the RBs. Saw a tweet that Daniel Brooks ran a 10.4 on his leg of the 4x at the Texas Relays.
http://www.soonersports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=3907801&db_oem_id=31000
Wow. He may really benefit from the new offense.
And vice-versa. 🙂
Agree
Can he catch?
Don’t know, the only time he was on the field last year was for a few mop up minutes.
TFB- you guys give out some great info, and i keep coming back for more. But i’m starting to wonder if you are giving out WAY too much info. I mean, telling us who’s standing out and playing well, or coaches that are doing well is fine and dandy- but when you get into the middle of the field weaknesses, and tight ends are killing us, and we are struggling with the run here, we are now using the ‘Motor Mirro’ technique for coverage, and we are using the 3-0 defensive line front…im wondering if you are inadvertently giving our opponents ammo. I’m hoping this doesnt turn into a Stoops vs Carey Murdock war from 5 years ago…
just saying..
…….would you be satisfied with, “offense doing ok, defense not doing ok…..that’s about it.”
If I wanted that type info, I’d be paying through the nose for it on another site. 😉
What will — or can — they read about here that they won’t see on film?
I know this is belated, but I need to vent about that officiating in the hoops title game. I was not “rooting” for either team, did not have a bracket left to speak of, just a disclaimer. I was disappointed with the swallowing of whistles in regards to Winslow and Okafor. Winslow should have fouled out with 7 minutes left and Okafor was FAR to physical in the final 5 minutes with 4 fouls. Not impressed. Obviously that blown call by the officials on the obvious possession issue is a black eye on the sport and on replay (but, hey, we’re OU fans. We know what THAT is all about!!). The last bit that BLEW MY MIND was Winslow stepping on the baseline before dishing to Okafor who got a three-point play to put Duke ahead for good. Such poor officiating all tournament. Really disappointed. I’ve seen enough games to know they sucked pretty much all year, but man…that was a real sh*t show.
Worst call, in the tourney, by far, was the no-call on Lyles when he slapped that dude from Wisconsin right in the eye. Refs really made it tough on the old Badgers…