Open Post | Thursday, Dec. 18th (UPDATE 9:55 am)
Posted on: December 18, 2014
Image of Darrion Daniels via scout.com
Anthony Wheeler: We had a chance to catch up with Anthony Wheeler after his visit from Tim Kish last week. A few OU recruits are/were announcing their decision this week, but Wheeler said he does not have any intention of doing the same. It looks like his recruitment will go into at least January, if not all the way to signing day.
A few months back he told us that Oklahoma was his leader over Texas, Baylor & others. More recently, however, he has said that OU and Texas are now even. It does sound like the two Red River rivals are still his leaders, but neither seem to have an edge over the other at the moment from what we can gather.
Josh Wariboko: We’ve also had a chance to catch up with a couple people close to Josh Wariboko. We know there has been some optimism regarding the former OU commit, because he has been communicating with the OU staff again for some time and even attended a couple home games later in the season. But to be totally up front, from the folks we’ve talked to, it doesn’t sound particularly promising for OU.
We still get the impression that UCLA is the favorite right now, having been told ‘Josh loves California.’ There is still the input of his parents to consider, both of whom are OU alums, but right now it really feels like UCLA is out in front.
Jameson Houston: Earlier this week, OU offered 2015 ATH & Baylor commit, Jameson Houston. We spoke to someone who has been covering Houston’s recruitment since the beginning, and asked them where things stood with Houston after the OU offer. He told us that Jameson let him know that even with the recent OU offer, he (Houston) is still solid to Baylor. We will consider reaching out to him ourselves just to confirm, but that’s the word we got from someone who has been covering Houston’s recruitment for a long time.
Darrion Daniels: Finally, a little potential good news. We don’t have much on Daniels as he has been very quiet lately, but we did manage to get some info and this is what we can tell you. There is a lot of optimism with the OU coaching staff right now that they may very well land the Bishop Dunne product.
With Gabriel Campbell and Neville Gallimore still seriously considering Oklahoma, it may end up being a numbers game between the three. But it sounds like OU is still recruiting Daniels, and feels like they can get him.
On a related note, after the OU visit Campbell had planned on taking a trip to Kentucky. However, he has since told us that trip was cancelled.
Program Related Note: Had an interesting conversation very recently with a source close to the OU program and while we can’t reveal everything that was discussed, we simply had to share with you one particular comment that was made about the current state of things around the football offices.
We were told that things “have been chaotic around the program of late.” And our source even went so far as to describe their sense of things right now by saying, “there isn’t a person there, besides Bob & Cale, who feels like their job is safe.”
UPDATE: We want to clarify the note above. The quote was NOT meant to say jobs are in jeopardy. In fact, it’s very clear that coaches like Bill Bedenbaugh, Jerry Montgomery, etc. are NOT remotely in any danger of losing their jobs. They have done a stellar job, and we have been told by many folks that they are priorities to the program.
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Bedenbaugh and Montgomery had better be safe.
Beat me to it
Ha, not by much!
Agree!
Thats pretty wild, I’d have to see it to believe it though. Bob is one of the most loyal people in the world. (One of his finest qualities)
Loyalty is a noble quality. But loyalty at a program should be prioritized and it should begin with the students, alum and fan base IMO.
absolutely agree, and Bob seems to have gotten that when he showed all those close friends the door last time(post 2012)
And the results were exactly what?
Not prepared to congratulate Stoops on any changes, given the decay in the program evidenced this year.
He should be on notice as well – this kind of product threatens his job.
Sort of agree, though I give him next season before I’d put him on the hot seat. 2015 goes into the tank and he deserves it
So in your mind, what would be a successful season? I believe that we have to be honest with ourselves and not assume every year is a national championship year….to be honest when I step back and looked at this season, we probably shouldn’t have won a National Championship. We had a QB with less than 1 full season of starts that is frail at best, 1 proven WR, and skill positions that are green otherwise. A defense that had 1 returning starter in the secondary (he even moved positions), 2 young ILBs (soph) and 2 OLBs in new positions. This team was extremely young and still was only 3 plays away from being 11-1. I will concede that in spite of the youth the decision to move players around was made by the coaches and the lack of execution was part players and part play-calling. With great coaching we could have won all three of those games…yes but with experience comes knowledge and if the players had that knowledge they would have executed despite the play-calling. Maybe with experience our QB can audible into a run to weak-side of the defense and we may be able to actually run the HUNH.
Rashad, I see your point. However, I think what most are upset about is the lack of quality depth. Bama continues to be in the top as they have depth. Depth means you reload, not rebuild. Coach B & Monty are creating depth. We have no LB, DB, WR depth which is why we put ourselves in a hole. Yes, we have numbers but that doesn’t translate to depth which is why we were so disappointed with this years results. That’s my take.
A lot of the problems I saw with the DBs during our losses was that they just looked completely lost at times. If they haven’t learned what to do on the field during the week to the point that they’re lost, that looks more like a coaching problem than a depth problem.
Back in the early days of Bob when we didn’t have depth the DBs still knew what to do and they played much better than they are now. They never looked lost.
Cary, you can have great schemes, but when you start 2 true & 1 RS freshman, they will always look lost.
Appreciate the response, but would counter that Derrick Strait was a true freshman in 2000. He didn’t look lost to me. So I would definitely disagree with “always”.
And to the meat of what you’re saying I don’t think we’re going to reach a “trump” argument. To be fair what was seen on the field could come from either explanation or both. I just disagree with the choice you’re putting out there.
I think Mike is lost with these “basketball offenses” to paraphrase something he’s said before.
Maybe BJW and Mike Stoops are just not a good fit for our backfield? What I mean is are they on the same page?
That is one and the majority of teams didn’t use the spread. For a true freshman to come into the college game especially the big 12, they would have to be extremely talented and play in a scheme that minimizes all of the checks. Again, that’s MO so not saying I’m right or wrong.
I agree and am used to seeing the development from year to year. Even before they become starters you begin to see flashes of them and know that even when the current starters leave that everything is in good hands. I can say that now and it is at every position that you highlighted. I believe MS made a poor decision before the season allowing Julian Wilson to play corner. I believe that you need cerebral/experience at those positions and would have in hindsight rather had Quentin Hayes and Julian Wilson in the safety positions and I believe the back-end would have been more stable because of experience. You could have played Parker and Sanchez at corners while letting Byrd/A.Thomas play near the line when you went nickel. Lastly, we need game changing speed in this program at the wide receiver position. The reason other spread offenses have so much success is they have game breaking speed to get chunk plays and take the pressure off the offense to have to drive the ball down the field series after series. My hope is Newsome and Humphrey are those guys.
We will see how some operate under pressure b/c they haven’t felt it for a long time.
Those were Bob’s most recent hires which says some great things. Mike, JS, Kish, BJW, need to go. Boulware too (no use TEs) and anyone can decide not to return punts in punt safe mode.
How will this effect DB recruits like PJ etc.?
I don’t believe that you can blame Boulware for the lack of use of the TE that would be on the offensive game plan. I feel that he has been given a raw deal. He has 2 TDs on kickoffs. I believe based on who he put back to catch punts that he was instructed to have them fair catch. I agree on Kish (don’t really bring anything to the table) BJW (no real defensive expertise/kind of jack of all trades but a master of none) and JH (get the feeling that he doesn’t believe in what he is being asked to do). I will continue to stump for MS because I believe that if he had the right person to balance is game planning out that you don’t just forget how to coach defense.
He hasn’t had a good defense in what 8 years? Comparing the landscape of the big 12, let alone all of college football, to that of his first tenure at ou is night and day. Offenses are completely different then in 2003 and he has shown no ability to be able to slow them down.
2009 defense was pretty good.
mike stoops had nothing to do with the 2009 defense. He was too busy in arizona working on getting fired.
If we’re talking about MS than that’s true. He hasn’t done sh*t on defense since he left here.
That’s who I was talking about. The guy above said he would continue to back mike stoops because he believes that you don’t just forget how to coach.
Mathematicians don’t have to forget math to get stumped. You have to “know how to coach” against Big 12 offenses before you can “forget how to coach” against them. I submit that he has never learned, i.e. “stumped”.
As the cliche goes, some are loyal to a fault
Loyalty does not bring titles guy…All the sainthood talk need to cease!
lol you mistake what I say as an indication that I am happy with OU’s performance. But loyalty is a great quality, especially towards his players
It’s not like he doesn’t have a track record for running off friends or long time coaches though. Shipp. Blanking on the name, but the TE coach that was his buddy that was let go the same time as Shipp. He knew Mangino pretty well, and rumor had it they asked him to reconsider the KU job. Did Stoops have ties to Willie Martinez? Because he was let go. Heck, even Pelini was sort of pushed out the door after that failed experiment. Venables, while not fired, was demoted in a way.
Bob has shown he’ll do what he needs to do. The problem is, some fans think they know what Bob needs to do, more than he knows himself.
Yep, he will do whats necessary, but if you like Bob Stoops the man you are not a true OU fan I guess. I guess if he weren’t loyal Frank Shannon and Joe Mixon would both be gone and some of those talking about his loyalty would be upset that they were cut loose.
Bo Pellini was not a backfield coach. He would have been better coaching the line or the LB’s.
He took the LSU DC position and won a NC with Mile’s.
I always thought Mangino kind of got shown the door, the KU job opened up he took it and did very well.
Kansas has not had success since his firing.
“Bob has shown he’ll do what he needs to do”
I am not convinced. Everything is reactive. Where is the strategy?
Bob is too slow to realize what is going on. There is no sense of urgency as we fall below Baylor and TCU and ….
You are right, TCU finishing above us in the standings ONE time means we’ve fallen below them.
Come on.
In the very recent past he was too loyal, Coaches stopped working for him.
Those two are definitely safe whether they think so or not.
How many recruits should we expect to sign come signing day?
somewhere around 21 I believe…..given the coaches have to ‘commit’ another 5 quality prospects……………some sites project 26-27 but I can’t see OU being able to fill that quota.
Haha. I was about to post this right here. If they touch them (and Cale), I will personally fly down there and seek *ahem* justice myself.
Would it be too big of a roll for Gundy to take the QB coaching job? Can one do both?
Gundy should stay where he is. As THE best RB coach and recruiter in the country, I would pay him OC money just to keep him, IMO, but that’s just me. Also don’t think he has that much of an interest in high pressure jobs.
If Bedenbaugh, Montgomery, and Gundy are let go, I will be right behind Indy sooner with a knotted plow line and a flame thrower!
Those two Coaches are tireless workers when it comes to recruiting. I would like to see their roles as game planners grow.
OU needs every single coach to recruit like Coach B, Gundy, and Monty. And recruit and coach with a chip on their should constantly.
And bring in recruits who play with an absolute fire in their belly and a chip on their shoulder.
And it starts at the top.
there isn’t a person there, besides Bob & Cale, who feels like their job is safe.”
And there shouldn’t be other than Coach Monty and Coach B.
I think OU would take all 3 of Gallimore/Campbell/Daniels
The way LBs aren’t cmmitting we may have too just to fill up roster spots.
All signs point to DeBerry picking OU tomorrow, losing faith in signing Wheeler though
Hope so.
I think so too but I bet only 2 max would commit. I think the plan is to go to a 4-3 which may be why Monty doesn’t feel so secure.
I’d be ok with that, the 3-4 isnt really working and it would put someone else on the field to tie up OL instead of allowing double teams on Phillips and Tapper every play
If it’s true that part of the reason we switched to a 3-4 was due to lack of numbers on the line, the it would stand to reason that we MAY move back to more 4-3 due to lack of numbers at LB with Dline numbers being much better. Still want to be multiple, though, I just believe that Montgomery is the only defensive coach with experience of running a consistent 3-4. Maybe I’m wrong about that though.
I truly think they went to the 3-4 to create a tactical advantage and the fact is the team that had seen the most recent success was Alabama and football is a copy cat sport.
I think it was due to lack of DTs in the program. They are improving at the position and should have more than one on the field.
Did Michigan and Hoke run a 3/4?
I believe so. Mostly because I remember people talking about watching Michigan’s defense from the previous year to get an idea of what Montgomery might like to do with his odd front.
That’s what it’s supposed to do against Phillips. Tapper and Ndulue control the line for run support. Double teams on the D linemen allow for LBs, Safeties, and CBs to blitz from anywhere.
true, but they don’t blitz enough to make it work
He is referring to the scheme, it isn’t about blitzes.
The 3 down linemen control the gaps by tying up the OL allowing for the backers to fill the holes.
True enough
That may be true. Bama doesn’t blitz a lot either, usually on third down. However, they seem to blitz anyone from anywhere, and it works. Donta Hightower blitzing is enough to make a QB create a stool sample.
I don’t really think it matters much whether you play a 3-4 or a 4-3 if you pick the one best suited to your player strengths. Simply because we seem to have more DL than LB’s right now, a 4-3 might make more sense. If you do run a 3-4 though, you can’t just rush 3 all the time. QB’s like Petty will eat your lunch.
I don’t really see any signs that OU is all of a sudden headed back to the 4-3. I would actually argue that the DL recruits are fits for the 3-4 more than the 4-3. The fact is we shouldn’t make these constant shifts back and forth between scheme. Stick to something and determine how you want to play it. Recruit to it and decide after the proper amount of time if you can run the scheme.
I agree they shouldn’t switch constantly either. But if mike stays he needs a 4-3 system because he showed this season he really isn’t comfortable with it and can’t figure it out. I think he would like to play more of a 46 defense but that might be tough in the big 12.
If mike is gone then I see them sticking to the 3-4 and bringing in a guy who’s used the 3-4 forever.
This. I would think we would have heard something from the recruits if this was the plan. Like we heard about the switch to the 3-4 from them.
Take all three and figure it out later. This would be a good problem to have. It’s not the same as “If you have three legit QB starters, then you have none.” LSU had so many talented D-lineman in 2011 that they simply rotated them in and out constantly.
We are to assume that any changes will be occurring after signing day then????
It would be a real shame, and to some degree a shock, if we whiff on both Wariboko and Barnett. OU, once a heavy favorite for both, may not get either. It really is amazing to me how often OU has a problem holding on to really good Oklahoma high school players.
SoonerBred, OU does not struggle holding on to Oklahoma HS players. With a few exceptions, OU generally brings in the top HS talent in this state.
This. Not sure where people get that we struggle with in-state kids.
You ain’t kidding. If i had a dollar for every over exaggeration on the internet…
well we missed out on the #1 and #2 oklahoma recruits last year(one of them we didnt recruit), and theres a good shot we miss out on the #1 and #2 recruits this year.
Thats a bit concerning.
I’d also say that “chaotic” is not an adjective that you would want attached to the program with National Signing Day looming.
Barnett won’t be a loss. Don’t sweat it. Wariboko is a different story.
At first I was thinking that wasn’t true but I went back and looked at the last 8 years or so of recruiting and it does happen way too often. I don’t see it mostly as a failure of the coaches but more of a case by case thing due to other circumstances. The only real misses I see in the last 5 years or so is D Clark last year and Keno Hatcher a couple of years ago. OU also isn’t the only D-1 program in the state. I live in the Tulsa area (Owasso specifically) and the OSU base here is actually quite large. Geographically, Fayetteville is just as close as Norman to the Tulsa metro. When OU comes in a gets the top flight kids from Jenks and Owasso, it is actually a compliment to their abilities.
Interesting…this news on Wariboko is the exact opposite of other sites…
The interesting thing will be can ucla wait if he takes it all the way to NSD. And if he announces at his all star game to ucla. Then ucla will have to worry about keeping him like we were about mixon.
I’m fairly certain UCLA will hold a spot for a top 100 player.
Based on their offers that are out to linemen, I’d bet they’re willing to wait. They have 4 commits and only have a couple others they’re really in on.
didn’t UCLA have a really good Oline class last year? I guess he is not worried about playing time.
They signed 2 last year and I think they also had a transfer. Neither of the 2 signed were rated extremely high.
I think it was two years ago they signed what seemed like 20. I remember we were in the hunt with several but they all went there.
That’s true and as a result kind of surprised me as well. But at the same time I feel like it’s been hard to get a good read on this kid even before he decommitted.
Did his brother end up with an UCLA offer.
Yes
I thought so
Hope his brother had a big junior year b/c his soph film was nothing short of underwhelming. Teams want his big bro so bad they waste a scholly on him.
“Chaotic” doesn’t sound like a positive work or playing environment to me…
Are we no longer considering or chasing those two JUCO Defensive linemen? I only remember one of them by name as it was unusual. Takkerist McKinley or something.
Tak signed w/UCLA in October. Reynolds a big DT is the other one but I think that has gone cold. Hopefully that is a good sign that Phillips is staying.
Thanks man. Tak was much easier to remember than Reynolds but yeah, he was the other one.
It’s crazy how many recruiting battles we’ve been in with UCLA lately. Really starting to dislike them.
To many people Okay with Stoops being Ok dude but not winning Nat’l titles! Sad what so-called OU fans have become…People laugh and mock us and we sit here hoping rather than expecting to have the last laugh…Disbelief…..(head shaking)
Not seeing anyone here OK with OU not competing for NC’s.
I get it.. You’re a leprechaun & someone is trying to cross your bridge… Top ‘o’ the mornin to ya…
Castor. Chill bro. Not many folks are happy about the way things are going and you made your point. No need to keep repeating it.
I agree with him and I like the fact that he is persistent.
The point is we are fans of Oklahoma Football and that supersedes the welfare of Bob Stoops.
Fair enough but Bob’s not going anywhere so let’s wait and see the changes he makes. Trust me, Bob doesn’t feel comfortable right now either and he will resolve the issues.
You are making Stephen Dale look sane. That is hard to do
Haha… so true!
K, In regards to the possible/potential/speculative coaching changes, in your opinion, if Bob was planning on replacing a Kish with say a Durkin (not saying this is a possibility guys so don’t jump on that, just using this as an example) why would he not make the change now and team Durkin (or whomever) with a Montgomery or Gundy or any other remaining member of the staff (including himself) to work with current targets as well as to perhaps put a big time final push into this years recruiting cycle? Bringing in a new coach now, or right after the bowl game also brings in that coaches prior connections with recruits which could potentially help. Do you believe that changes, if any, will be made shortly after the bowl game? Or do you believe that changes, if any, will occur after NSD. Thanks
Changes may come as soon as after the bowl game.
That is when I think they would come. The coaching carousel is in full spin and waiting much longer than that will mean the good candidates won’t be available and would be hard for the displaced coaches to find a place to land.
Especially true if there’s a change in OC.
If Bob has made up his mind about a change, I bet he’s already been in contact with coaches to gauge their interests.
Tough for a new coach to build any new connections in that short of time. Better to ride it out, and make changes after the kids have signed.
I’m on the fence with a lot of these potential coaching changes. There are two and possibly three changes that have to be made. Kish has to go, and Heupel needs to either be moved back to QB coach or let go. He definitely shouldn’t be calling plays next season. Also by his own words, I’m not sure how much confidence to have in Mike Stoops. Too many press conferences with him basically admitting he doesn’t have an answer. If true, we’re better off trying to find someone else who does. Norvell is another one who needs to be evaluated. His development of receivers isn’t exactly spectacular. I’m not down on BJW as I believe the main problems with our horrible DB’s is due to youth and Mike Stoops. The rest of them, Monty, Bedenbaugh, and of course Cale are all pretty solid.
legit responses, I too am wondering if Norvells recruiting is aided by others seeing guys as overrated and he isnt. Because his development has been very poor, aside from Stills and Shepard no one else has really developed under him. And those 2 are NFL players on talent not really because of him
In regards to WR’s coached by Norvell at OU: Sterling Shepard, Jalen Saunders, Justin Brown, Kenny Stills, Ryan Broyles, Juaquin Iglesias, Manuel Johnson. Historically not a bad group. Just sayin’
Cant really give him the credit for Manny and Juaquin since they were Srs in 08 and Saunders and Brown were transfers. JMO
Justin Brown and Jalen Saunders were also, arguably, developed elsewhere.
Thanks for writing my exact sentiments on ALL of the above. Agree 100% on each coach mentioned.
Is DJ Durkin still available? TOS is saying he went to A$M….any confirmation of this
I’ve seen this on multiple OU message boards and just spent the last 20 minutes doing an interwebs/Twitter deep dive and found literally nothing to support this.
I know his name was been mentioned there as a possibility, but I can’t find anything other than that. My assumption is this came from an A&M message board.
It may very well happen and if it did it’d be a fantastic hire for A&M while at the same time crush my hopes and dreams of him coming to Norman. But at least for now, I’m calling b.s.
Gotta’ get that out there to appease Jefferson.
Keep up the good work, Jordo. Don’t know much about the guy but he’s the name on a lot of lips in the Sooner Nation right now. LB coach? Hopefully things are working behind the curtains.
Is it just me or does anyone else miss hearing from our bud JY?
You are not alone.
Love the big guy.
Yep, big fan of the big guy!
Great man, learned a lot from him. Maybe he just had to step aside for a while before he blew a gasket at some of OU’s play calling.
In his business, this is likely the busiest month of the year. Maybe after he get’s everyone’s Christmas packages shipped he’ll have some free time.
Agreed. JY, come back. Or is it, Shane, come back!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtoCw2iOTSc
Good Lord I’d forgotten how annoying that kid was. Why was the “mentally challenged” look considered cute in the 1950’s?
It’s his boys first Christmas so I’m sure he has his hands full. Look forward to his posts….
Very generic “program related note”. Covering any and all sides, I see.
I’m sure if you don’t like it you could go elsewhere
everybody’s a critic 😉
No they’re not. I don’t know what you’re talking about. (I kid, I kid) 😉
Yes, we would much rather they just make stuff up and guess like the pay sites. Honest and free, what a bunch of losers.
You’ve never paid for recruiting content…have you?
No. I haven’t. Because I have talked to enough people who have and seen enough of it referenced on other sites that I would never pay for such unreliable information. Most of what you are paying for on those sites is just gossip from some guy “close” to the program. Well I can find any number of people that will give me that for free on the Internet.
The guys here do it for free. And they are at least honest about saying how and from whom they got the information. It’s no more reliable than the other sites, because the people both of them get their from aren’t 100% reliable since they are often mistaken, confused, have an agenda or the information is out of date with the truth..
So we are in agreement. You have no actual knowledge supporting your broad sweeping generalizations regarding all of the content on sites that charge money.
How is getting information from others having no actual knowledge of a subject? A doctor can’t have actual knowledge of cancer until he has had it? We use second hand knowledge all the time. Its called going to school and reading books. There are many things in life we know that we have not experienced personally.
Bob, I am basically just playing devil’s advocate here. I enjoy this site and other sites too. It does not have to be all or nothing. I believe the sum total of the information from this site and others can help paint a better picture of what’s really going on with the program and in recruiting. What I don’t understand is the need for people like you that have absolutely no idea what they are talking about spouting off about how unreliable other sites are…in fact, that’s a general theme of posters on this site. The inferiority of pay vs. free is annoying. I challenge you to pay the 9 bucks one month and check out a site like Scoop. I think you would be surprised…whilst also enjoying the content of this site at the same time.
I have. This site is FAR more accurate, and they bring the tough information to the forefront without the petty nonsense of boards like the Scoop.
I’m a member of Rivals. They have great stuff. This site has great stuff.
If we got more specific it would be a mess because at the point we’ve heard just about everything under the sun. There are a few reoccurring themes that we aren’t comfortable making public but one that we are comfortable saying is it’s hot in the kitchen and a change or changes, we are told, will be made.
If you have “heard just about everything under the sun,” what makes this quote more reliable than anything else you are hearing?
uncle
Argumentum ad arguendo
Because of the source and how consistently we’ve heard it.
Dude its free info. Why are you a ball buster? Lol
Geez K…. Where are you at with the details man…. I pay waaaaay to much $ for you to beat around the bush…. lol
Well, whaaaaaa…
Sounds like we are losing ground on Wheeler. Doesn’t look good. If we lose this kid, Kish needs a U-haul backed up to his house- Mike wouldn’t be too far behind that either
Every time I read “We had a chance to catch up with…” it makes my mustache wiggle.
I spoke to a friend close to the Wariboko family, basically said the same thing. He wants to be out of state.
Kids! Don’t know when they’re well off. I would love to move back to Oklahoma and God’s people but my wife will have none of it.
I left the state too and regret it. I miss the 5-10 minutes of genuine polite behavior that everyone in Oklahoma provides everyone else free of charge. Many have no idea how much that little gesture can lift someone up during their day.
I left the state back in 2007 for AZ and I don’t see this polite niceyness everyone attributes to Oklahomans or rudeness of people in other states comparably. Can’t tell any difference between people here and people in OK and I never viewed Okies as being all that friendly during my 37 years there of being born and raised there to be honest.
Well, I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve had multiple direct experiences of it.
Which state did you move too? I don’t see any difference between people in AZ and people in OK, and AZ, by far, has more people from all over the U.S. than OK does.
Well, I didn’t call any group from outside the state rude, I merely paid Oklahoma a compliment. I don’t see that this automatically makes any other category of people inferior.
True. I was just wondering who you were comparing Okies to per se in terms of general politeness.
I’m trying to make a change and focus more on the positive side of things. So let’s just leave it at the compliment.
Fair enough.
smart wife. state has gotten too red for me.
Then please don’t go back. You would make it less desirable.
Egad.
Contrary to how many feel, I want what Wariboko wants. :-0
Then that is his choice, Coach B. has done a good job with recruiting. I only expect us to get better in Texas. Hopefully he continues to work the South and starts hitting California.
Loyalty is a noble cause in life. But it has been the downfall of many men in business. The Patriots’ owner is one of the more high character owners there is in the NFL. But they have a phylosophy to cut the string before someone begins or hits their downward spiral at the end of their career. They cut people loose all the time before they’ve reached their bottom. You can be a high character guy, but loyalty often in business, can lead to destruction. Have your guy’s backs by all means, but don’t allow the downward spiral of others keep you from being as successful as you can be. This isn’t marriage where you make apromise to your wife and God to stick with them through thick and thin. This is business, and this is OU, this is not “Bob’s comfortable twilight years with his buddies”. It looks as though he recognizes that now, hope he makes the right moves, he deserves the chance to right the ship.
I don’t know. I think we could use a lot more loyalty these days and a lot less of the “it’s just business” excuse.
Sounds nice in theory, is crap in real life. Like I said, have your employees backs, treat people well, but holding on to people in a multimillion dollar business who aren’t fulfilling their duties is just idiotic. It works in mom and pop businesses where being loyal in the communicity is a big deal, but these guys are paid big money to do a job. They know the risks in being coaches, they should be fired for doing a bad job. Again it sounds harsh, but it’s what is best. Saban got rid of his OC that won him a bunch of games, and look who they got to replace him, an OC who is ripping the SEC a new one.
Well, on the other side of it we have Shepard and his story because of Stoop’s loyalty, don’t we? That wasn’t a business decision. To have a kid wandering around and getting underfoot doesn’t seem very productive.
Shepard was loyal to OU and Stoops because they started recruiting him so early. And unfortunately, more athletes go where they can win, NOT who has the longest-serving staff.
Anytime you take a high paying job there is pressure and risk if you don’t succeed.
Thanks for the update guys. We appreciate whatever info you guys can bring us. Despite the lack of details given about the program and meetings, it’s at least encouraging that things are being discussed! At least we know that Boren and Castiglione are keeping the fire lit and not ignoring things. I think that’s a start. I’ve always liked what I’ve seen from Castiglione and as long as he’s Stoops boss, I feel good about things. Quite a different take than Pelini’s opinion of his former boss 🙂
I’m happy with the 3 JUCO guys we signed yesterday. If all 3 are the real deal, they each have a chance to start next season. Along the JUCO lines, just in looking at other top guys, anyone know anything about MLB Davon Durant out of Butler County (KS) or OT Tyler Howell from the same school? Also curious about some of the guys out of NEO. CB Justin Martin (I know we’ve mentioned him on this site) and DE Austin Roberts.
Really wish we could land these in state guys early. Very glad we got Parker last year but if some of these guys would commit early and stick, that would be a good start. Very disappointing with Wariboko and Barnett but you don’t want guys on the team that don’t want to be there. I’m not into begging and I don’t think Stoops is either. You either come here because you want to or go somewhere else. I say we move on from both of them and be done with it. HOWEVER, on that note, I will mention that from what I’ve seen of the 2016 OLine class, 2015 looks like there’s more quality prospects…as of right now. I’m no pro on that stuff though.
Saw these updates on Malik Jefferson. Yeah, we pretty much don’t feel confindent about his chances of going to OU. But it’s crazy you follow these kids a bit and get to know the name and just become curious on where they end up…
http://twitter.com/max_olson/status/545618466351235072
http://twitter.com/max_olson/status/545618537398538240
Why is UCLA doing so great in recruiting right now? I don’t get it.
Getting guys that like LA but don’t like red and gold.
USC is still getting players, Mora and UCLA are too. Lot’s of good players in California, and Stoops knows that.
Yeah but UCLA’s game environment is piss poor. Their stadium is never full and college football isn’t big in LA.
Yes it is. I can’t stand when people say it’s not big. It’s just as big as it is in Norman.
Not even close. Football trumps everything in Norman. UCLA basketball is a bigger deal than UCLA football. And yes, I have been there.
It used to be I’d have agreed with you. These days, I see a lot of empty seats in the student section and know several current students who’ve never attended a game. Times change
The student section was an embarrassment this year, true enough. I was a student during the Gary Gibbs era and even then we filled it up. But you will always find plenty of empty seats in the Rose Bowl and the Coliseum.
I was a grad student in the mid ’80’s and the stadium rocked. Good memories.
Umm, UCLA averaged 70k fans per home game last year, the rose bowl holds 92k.
Theres what, 15 million people in the LA metro area, and 90k in norman, but only one of us consistently fills our stadium.
Sorry, but you are dead wrong. LA dosent support its college football teams like other areas of the country do.
Lol you’re trying to say there are “15 million people in the LA metro area”. Actually, “you are dead wrong”, there are 10 million and you’re basing this on an area that’s basically an hour driving distance from one side of the city to the other. You’re also not mentioning the fact that there are also 42 colleges in that same area, with many having big fan bases themselves. You also don’t realize how shitty it is trying to get in and out of those games, because you clearly haven’t been to one. I have been to a lot of OU games and a lot of UCLA games. The fans are just as active and the crowds are just as big as OU. Stop trying to throw “15 million people” into one fan base. That’s silly.
A few things on this,
1. OU averaged over 85000 per game with 0 unsold tickets.
UCLA averagd around 76000 per with 15,000 unsold per game (which actually represents a large increase from last year). Most years they average under 70000 and have for over 15 years.
2. A large portion of Oklahoma’s fan base is way more than an hour away. The largest part being at least 30 min away. Best case, they still only have 1/3 of the people in the entire state as LA has in the metro. That is the case with most major colleges as there are very few major schools in a large metro area. While there may be many schools in the LA area, there are only two high profile major FBS schools in USC and UCLA and they both have trouble selling tickets.
Not saying that UCLA games are not a good time or that the crowds are not in the game, but there are definately issues with getting people there when they should be selling out every game.
UCLA fans are notorious for tailgating. Much, much more so than OU fans. I’ve been to several tailgate parties at OU and the crowds aren’t nearly as big as UCLA due to the weather and amenities.
apparently math is not your strong suit. We averaged 85k per home crowd, UCLA averaged 70k. Our stadium capacity is 85k, their is 92k.
That means ours is at 100% capacity, while theirs is at 76% capacity.
The crowds are most definitely not as big.
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2013.pdf
there are 12.8 million people in the la metro area, not 10 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_metropolitan_area
USC has this same problem, they dont sell their crowds out either.
Have you seen whats going on with the lakers? no longer selling out.
LA fans are fickle, and highly “bandwagony”. When their teams are losing, they stay at home or do all the fun stuff to do in california. Us in oklahoma dont have much other than football. We continue to sell out.
I used to live in fresno, have been to the coliseum multiple times. Quit trying to make assumptions, because you CLEARLY have no idea.
Sorry, but the stats dont support your conclusion.
Wow, great logic. You used to live in Fresno…hours away. I lived in LA, right down the street from the campus, but continue your terrible attempts. You’ve never even been to a UCLA game, but keep trying.
Not only are you terrible at math, but you cant read either. I said very clearly ive been to the coliseum, multiple USC games. I guarantee the crowds there are just as hard to get out of as they are the rose bowl.
you are the one who thinks 70k is the same as 85k, and yet im the one making terrible attempts? I bet your boss would be happy to pay you 15k less a year and say its the same number.
are the crowds as loud? maybe so. Are they the same size? definitely not.
ive posted proof to backup my claims. You have done nothing to refute them. Im sorry, but FACTS blow your theory out of the water.
I dont need to go to a UCLA game to read their attendance figures.
2013 home attendance figures:
13. Oklahoma 6 508,334 84,722
21. UCLA 6 421,711 70,285
so in the same amount of games, 80000 more fans went to OU games than they did UCLA games, despite the fact UCLA’s stadium holds 7k more people.
But thats totally the same number, right?
Got i hope you arent an accountant.
Used to live in Chicago, let me tell you all about Tokyo. We’re talking about UCLA? Let me tell you about USC.
the big deal you are making about me not having been to a UCLA game was about getting in and out of the games, see your quote here:”You also don’t realize how shitty it is trying to get in and out of those games, because you clearly haven’t been to one. ”
So i reference going to a USC game, which, being in close proximity to UCLA, it stands to reason there is similar traffic. See how i can draw a conclusion because of the relationship? Of course you dont. You still think UCLA draws the same size crowds OU does despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.
Just accept the fact you made some incorrect statements, got called out on it, proved wrong, and move on with your day.
Visited NYC once, and I’d love to tell you all about Manila.
Guess your simple mind can’t do anything but avoid all my points, because you have no comebacks. Pathetic moron. Do us all a favor Mr ucla troll, and gtfo
Simple mind lol “I lived in Fresno and once watched a USC game, let me tell you LA folks all about UCLA”. DERP. DERP.
It’s comparable traffic you nitwit. You are acting like they are opposite sides of the world and can’t be compared in any way.
Guess that’s what I get for arguing with a retard.
IDIOT. NITWIT. MORON.
Those are your words, yet that’s about my thoughts of everything you’re saying.
Ironic.
ive actually been able to post links to backup my claims. Something you have not been able to do, because your argument is indefensible.
You are like a child, incapable of accepting when you are wrong.
Oh, and RERETARD, which was my original thought the first time you said you once lived hours from LA.
What a dummy you are.
Says the moron who still claims UCLA pulls in the same size crowds OU does, despite a link from the NCAA saying otherwise.
Why dont you go find a UCLA site to go troll.
The fact that you think I’m a UCLA fan just shows how stupid you really are. I feel sorry for your mother. I hope she’s not getting your meatloaf ready right now.
you are talking up UCLA like they are the best thing in the world, so its pretty obvious.
Im sure your ex wife just used to love how you cant admit you are wrong, ever.
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2 sentences too much for your limited mental capabilities eh? No surprise there.
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too stupid to even actually post a gif, thinks typing the name works. Classic
You are trying to claim UCLA pulls in the same size crowds and has a comparable atmosphere, so its pretty obvious you are a fan of theirs in some capacity. Maybe you are a fan of both, but why else would you try so hard to put them on the same level as the sooners?
im not stupid kid, its called reading between the lines.
Im sure your ex wife just loved how you cant ever admit that you are wrong, ever.
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Their coaching staff, that’s why.
What about their coaching staff? They haven’t done anything.
Really? What was ucla doing prior to Mora’s arrival? They’ve made drastic improvement, beating USC 3 straight years under Mora, won the Pac12 south division last season, and started picking up NFL caliber players like Hundley. Apparently, they have a product to sell recruits on…may have something to do with Mora’s NFL experience. They are trending in the opposite direction of OU…upward.
wow. they beat an ncaa sanctioned usc three years in a row. color me stunned
Yeah…a no talent, horrible USC team, right?
Their 10-4 record last year was really more like 2-48 by your supreme standards, right? Yet UCLA had lost something like 5-6 straight games to them, and now they are beating them convincingly.
UCLA would kick our ass if we played today. That wouldn’t have happened 3 years ago.
We could only manage 8-4 in a weak-ass Big 12.
yep. weak conference. everybody’s garbage. coaches are garbage. players are garbage…..merry christmas dude. happy new year
The Big 12 was easily the 2nd best conference in the country this year. Not sure what you are talking about?
UCLA struggled to beat UT just like we did. Oh yes, UCLA would just smash us…lol
weak ass big 12? that pretty much sums up your level of knowledge right there. I dont see any other conference besides the SEC with 3 top 11 teams, do you?
Cool, go be a UCLA fan.
They have been horrible for years – they have nowhere to go but up.
Jim Mora can recruit, no doubt. He is a sooth-sayer with elvish tongue – check the confrontation with his D coord this year. But, still surprises me what they are selling. Malik, now Josh, everyone seems to have their hair raised after officials. Being in the running for pac12 south champions shouldn’t really show recruits that you are the next big thing. Winning one, maybe, but they have repeatedly fell short the last two years.
No changes will be made and OU will lose 2-3 games next year as usual
I read the open posts from yesterday and today, and my first thought was, “Good, people inside the program realize we’re not in good shape and drastic changes must and will be made.” Not that I revel in people losing their jobs, but that is PRECISELY what needs to happen. They’ll find work elsewhere.
Then I read your comment and realize you are probably right. They won’t make the changes that need to be made, and at most we’ll see some insignificant firing like kish.
I just checked 247sports.com and their crystal ball projections for fun and here were some of them:
Ricky DeBerry – OU 61%
Justin Reid – LSU 75%
Josh Wariboko- UCLA 73%
Kareem Orr – OU 53%
Jalin Barnett – OU 86%
Anthony Wheeler – OU 67%
Ryan Newsome – Texas 67%
Neville Gallimore – Ohio St. 62%
Gabriel Campbell – Miss St. – 62%
Kahlil Haughton – Baylor – 71%
Justin Martin – Tennessee – 81%
Dwaine Thomas – OU 50%
Josh Smith – Vandy 94% (but OU was the only other team they put up with Vandy)
Anthony McGinnis – Split 50/50 OU & A&M
Anthony McKee – MSU 52%
Now take those with a grain of salt and I’m sure the guys here on TFB know quite a bit more than I do or possibly some of these guys, but I thought you guys would like to see what they had on there.
Biggest negative surprises there for me are Gallimore, Campbell and especially Haughton at Baylor 71%
I read all of the OU recruiting sites, yes I pay for information and enjoy the free stuff, I don’t think Gallimore at an OSU lean or Campbell lean to an in-state school is shocking news. I think Haughton high on Baylor is a little surprising if you take the consensus from most sites…
Yeah, the Haughton one was a real surprise to me for how big the gap margin was. Gallimore and Campbell I think could go either honestly, especially after reading what they had to say on here from past open posts.
That % suggests haughton is a Baylor lock but I’ve heard it’s more like 60% ou. Also I don’t think those voters have accounted for haughton saying he doesn’t like Waco.
Yeah like I said you probably have to take these percentages with a grain of salt. From what I’ve heard on here the percentages for Campbell and Gallimore for the lead teams should be even with or slightly ahead of OU. The Haughton one I was the most surprised on, but I agree with you on him
You gotta take some of that with a grain of salt. Some of the votes attributing to those percentages were made before this season even started. A lot of things have happened since then.
That last post about Haughton by TFB was far from encouraging. So, maybe this probability is the reality.
Here’s a twist for you: So, if you evaluate the 67% forecast that Ryan Newsome will land at texsa and the 67% that Anthony Wheeler will land at OU: the percentage of variance that either will not land at the school with the lesser percentage is the same , right?
From some perspectives, the percentages aren’t the same.
Newsome’s 67% to texsa translates into 100% that he will land at texsa.
While Wheeler’s 67% to OU is just that, 67% or quite possibly a 50% chance OU lands him.
How does that happen? Two identical numbers and one has more weight than the other. It must be the amount of mass in each.
I’ll take a 100% of the players we land at OU. Let’s get it done with what we have.
They can have wheeler just give us newsome.
I’d say we need the LB more than the WR.
Or is Wheeler the LB that everybody keeps saying is overrated? I’ve lost track.
Yes. Overrated but I mean I could be wrong but I bet tfb could have had 20 other linebackers on that film analysis with the boz and all 20 would have been higher than wheeler.
Lol I suppose. I mean I don’t put too much into the percentages because when I first pulled up Justin Reid they had him going to OU then you click on the predictions and they have him at LSU.
Yep.
I would up vote this a hundred times if I could!
This is just too perfect.
But, I have 20/20 hindsight, so I’m a football genius.
College prospects and recruits in Texas high school state championship games.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/football-news/headlines/20141217-uil-state-championships-college-prospects-and-recruits-from-all-participating-schools.ece
Thought this was interesting:
CAMERON YOE
ATH Aaron Sims
Sr., 5-5, 125
Commitment: Oklahoma (preferred walk-on)
Notable: His height and weight immediately raise eyebrows,
he makes light of that on his Twitter profile with the quote,
“If size mattered, the elephant would be the king of the jungle.”
In last year’s championship game he had a touchdown
reception, and 102 total yards.
I hope he is allowed to skip the Oklahoma drill. :-)I
I don’t know, he might out quick some of those big ol’boys.
I believe the point of the drill is to make contact not avoid it.
Not for the guys running with the ball.
Yeah, I’ll give you that …. those borders are close together, and all the videos I’ve seen show contact. So, seeing the little guy get through the ‘choke point’ unscathed would be cool, but …..
LOL!
If not I can pretty much guarantee he wouldnt make it to the next one.
haha. that quote is priceless. can’t wait to hear some yukster wonder if he had a shot at valdosta st. or louisianna lafayette. those guys opinions are the best ever…..
I’ll bet he is one tough little rascal.
I will make it a point to watch for him tonight.
If he can return punts like jalen Saunders then he might have a niche at OU.
I played with water spiders as a kid and was always fascinated with them.
So danged quick and elusive.
Little Joe was small, but he stayed alive for a college and pro career!
My favorite ankle breaker of all-time.
I have seen his team highlights of the playoff games on Tx High School Live and it seems to be nothing but Sims making plays.
Trendon Holliday made it to the nfl and he wasn’t much bigger. If he gets in shape like a featherweight then he could surprise some people.
Is he Holliday type fast, though? Holliday is extremely fast. Also, Holliday was definitely more “solid” at around 150ish coming into College.
I’m not sure if he has that speed or quickness but I think he can get to a durable size.
….about the size of the nutritionist?
If he has guns like Coach Tiff I like his chances.
Thanks for the link. Looks like A&M, in spite of a few defections, still owns tejas. Baylor still reeling in WRs, the 1 setting a national record for TD receptions 35 is crazy. OU has gotten a few with a few still in play.
Good for him, I hope he puts in the work and does well.
He was just named the offensive MVP of the state championship game.
Great hands/speed/quickness and times his high point of the ball extremely well. He reminds me of a smaller Jalen Saunders…yes, I said it.
Kenny Stills was not developed here. His father was a former NFL receiver for CCC’s sake! Norvell is overrated imho and a poor evaluator of talent. Name one freshman Wr that he recruited (that was not coming here anyways) who has shown up solid as a freshman? Not one, and please don’t bring up stills or shepard since they were coming here anyways. The Wr out of texas who caught all those balls versus inferior talent and now booted from the team and the top wr’s from Cali have struggled or gotten kicked off the team. Hence better evaluations. We need to seriously look at why guys cannot seem to play at a competitive level here and it may be that there just not very talented and it’s not there fault , it is the coach who recruited them who needs to be let go and we need to do what Saban has and quietly see if these guys can go elsewhere so a scholarship can open up. Loyalty be damned when Oklahoma is not performing even at competitive level versus the baylors of the world…
Life too short for all the negativity. At the end of the day, these are just kids playing a game they love. The transition from HS to College is not an exact science with regard to recruiting. Relax, OU will be just fine! Boomer!
can somebody gif me a music video of ebony and ivory with stephen dale and this guy doing the singing please? 🙂
HA!
Add Herman Bubbart and make it a trio!
Who asked you?
lol @ coming up with an excuse for every WR that did well under him.
Fact is, most everybody thought Norvell was great until the past season.
Quick looked pretty solid this year, once he got on the field. Hard to produce too much, with the QB play we had this year. Same can be said for last year too.
There has been much more criticism this year of norvell because people are starting to wonder if he’s not evaluating well (which ratings tell us he is) or if he isn’t developing guys. Also the deal is whether they aren’t being developed properly or if the route scheme is garbage and/or play calling. Either way at this point it can’t just be heupels fault.
Bad passes from the QB coupled with drops by the WRs makes any offense look bad, especially the two coaches that take care of those two positions
Is this why the Jenkin’s case file is a week late Soonerfandave84? If it is not on my desk in the morning…..Christmas break starts early for you.
Ummmm….Don’t take that attitude with me! I’ll get to the Jenkins file when I get good and ready Sir!
Excuses! How about we not have every damn coach who played or is friends with Stoopsie and lets see if you are correct! I will put money down son to prove you are wrong…We need outside coaches even rivals of Stoops if we have to. To get this turned around. Nobody from Stoops coaching tree has been a really good coach so far..That should tell you folks something… Tells me everything!lol
OU needs the anti-Stoops?
And don’t bring up Venables. He coached at ksu plenty well before he ever got here…
Did Bob Stoops accidentally run over your cat?
Obviously did it on purpose
Did Bob Stoops accidentally run over your cat? LOL In all seriousness I’m just frustrated with what I see sometimes. If were losing doing the majority of things correct, while still unacceptable I could likely rationalize it as bad luck. But this staff and players they are their own worst enemy….
We are all frustrated. However, let’s see what Stoops does in the next 6 weeks. All your doing now is just bringing everyone down. Try to realize things will change for the better.
Some folks have glasses that are half full others half empty. His glass seems to be broken
I didn’t , called him out on the poor relations regarding our graduated WR from New Jersey a couple of years back. Some folks over on scout board did not like what was said…Oh well…
Kenny Stills dad was NOT an NFL receiver for CCC’s sake!!
BoomerDave I could care less what you think. His dad was an nfl player. Kenny played well versus top competition in high school and was groomed from an early age. Norvell made little difference in Kenny and when Broyles went out Kenny Struggled. Maybe if coaching and playcalling were more sophisticated instead of the arrogant “were Oklahoma” stuff perhaps are players would focus more on execution instead of I’m rated high so I cannot be stopped. Well they have been stopped plenty. Coach at a high level and get your players to compete at a high level of go Coach and play at Northern Iowa. This is Big time football here and this team is not playing it. And Coaches are not coaching it.
If the offices have been chaotic, then that does not bode well for the bowl game. If a coach feels like his job is not safe, how can he focus on game preparation?
Jordan, Super K, et al…just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate the work you put in for TFB. It seems as of late, while fans grow restless and disheartened with any news, or lack thereof, that you guys are catching more flack than usual from some of us here. Lots of folks want to know exactly who, what, when, where, & why, and who your sources are. Coming from up here in Iowa, I understand you need to protect your sources, lest they cease to be sources anymore. Thanks again for the information you try to provide to an occasionally ungrateful readership.
I never realized that Iowa was such a font of intelligence gathering wisdom!
Heh.
Glad to know there is a small Sooner nation in Iowa. I live in Charles City Iowa and pastor a church in Osage. Ckill1 where have you landed?
Amen brother. Keep up the good work.
Between Malvern & Glenwood. SW corner of the state.
I appreciate this comment so much. It is an overdue compliment to these guys.
Well, this is encouraging…
it seems brent venables should be offered a HC job sometime soon.
While I’m happy for Brent, I still don’t think he’s facing the offenses he would if he was still in he Big XII.
I’m just laughing about all the posters on various boards who wanted him tarred, feathered and ridden out of town on a rail.
Let’s face it though – good, bad, or indifferent – he had hit a wall here in Norman. I’m glad he’s doing well. So it makes me wonder if there’s something else going on now since Mike’s D resembles swiss cheese just like Brent’s did. Brainstorming: 1) Big12 Offenses are too advanced/complex for one DC to confront demanding a Co-DC arrangement … assuming two heads are better than one, 2) Bob is micro-managing the D since he used to be a DC too, 3) OU having trouble developing talent, 4) OU having trouble getting the right talent, etc. Heck, it could be all the above for all I know.
Can’t be #1 since we routinely get our conference heads handed to us in OOC play post season.
#3 and #4 would seem to be given the lie by the fact that many of our guys go on and have nice careers in the NFL.
So…..something around #2-ish. Maybe not micro-managing, maybe more like interfering? I don’t know, but to see Mike suffering the same way would indicate that the issue goes very high in the org.
He totally isn’t. We saw first hand what he was putting on the field. What he’s doing now is irrelevant.
It’s the ACC, lets not get carried away…
Without digging through miles of posts on here to find whats been said, I thought we had a shot for Malik Jefferson’s verbal come tomorrow morning. I know it wasn’t a great shot, but a shot none the less. I just read a story on eSECspin that covered the last month of his recruiting and it reads we’ve been out for a while and it’s between texass, a/m and Ucla.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/12044012/behind-scenes-last-month-malik-jefferson-recruiting
End of November he listed his top 7 and we were listed along with Baylor, UT, aTm, LSU, TCU and UCLA. I’ve seen a report that the LSU visit didn’t go well so they’re out. I haven’t heard anything about us or the others. Seems like most media believe it’s between UCLA, UT, aTm, and Baylor. So for some reason us and TCU are out.
I thought I saw on here recently that he was still considering us. Well after this story shows we were out of it. Just curious. Guess we’ll find out in the morning.
I never say we’re out until NSD because stranger things have happened but hopefully we’ll make a big splash tomorrow with a couple of guys!
re: M. Jefferson. I knew it was a long shot. But this doesn’t make it sound good.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/12044012/behind-scenes-last-month-malik-jefferson-recruiting
Yeah, that article makes it appear that OU wasn’t really in it for the past 20 days. No mention of OU till the end like the other schools.
I think it’s great that so many top recruits have us in their 5 or 7. That’s great but at some point, we’ve got to be able to land some of them on a regular basis.
OUguy777 I see you left the sooner scout board..? Kudos.
Doc, what makes a man like Ringo do the things he does?
Whisky. Fast women. Bad debts to worse people. Lotta things’ll motivate a man.
Man has got to know his limitations.
I go back and forth between here and there. I still read over there a lot, but it’s not much fact and too much opinion. Besides, most of the good stuff over there comes from TFB.
Castorboy, hypotheticals are great and all but you should probably get back to keep goats off your bridge
You do know what is made from Castor beans?
Hopefully Monty calls deberry tonight to make sure he’s picking ou tomorrow. Deberry is one of a few guys who can get all of us excited for this recruiting class.
are you gonna need a sedative tonite, tomorrow nite, or both
Just a 12 pack or so after work.
It’d be a nice shot in the arm for recruiting for sure. Maybe help a couple other big name recruits look OU’s way
Fisher Deberry to come in to run the flex bone? Just kidding…maybe 😉
If Monty calls him during “dead time” wouldn’t that be a violation?
I do believe it would be.
He could use a “throw away” phone. 🙂
/…heisenberg
That’s what I thought but apparently they can make calls. Just can’t visit them. I asked because I was curious how it works with all these kids announcing in the dead period like how are they supposed to let the coach know.
I thought the recruits could call them, but that the coaches could not call them.
bingo
That’s been my understanding.
who’s “them”? 🙂
Which one? :}
That’s my understanding. Don’t know if the number or times of the calls,txts etc are limited but there is no ‘face-to-face’.
I would try a back flip if Stoops cut 3-4 loose
I wonder if all the negativity towards players/coaches/the program has any impact on recruits who read the stuff.
Fans who absolutely hate Bob Stoops, have a great empty hole right through the middle of ’em, OU can never score enough or win enough to ever fill it.
If the negativity is equal, wouldn’t that make it a positive?
the math works out
love the tombstone references. thanks for those
Wyatt -” I miss Doc” Virge- I don’t..! Wyatt -“makes me laugh”…
I suddenly feel the need to wash my hands…
Psst…it won’t come out.
I have that book in the closet, I need to get it back out and read it again.
Lol yep!
no reason to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you
It’s my favorite movie, i quote it all the time
I just don’t appreciate what has happened under his purview. No doubt he helped to put OU back on track, but we are not headed the right way now. Unranked? Seriously?
Sure hope Santa doesn’t let you down this year. 🙂
Santa should be fired! 🙂
Now that you mention it, he hasn’t come through for me in a long time.
Give him the axe!!
Steve Johns I don’t feel at all it does. If I were a recruit I certainly would not be paying attention to these message boards. My feeling around the players and coaches, the vibe surrounding my official visit, the atmosphere in the stadium, girls, whether the place is exciting or not are things I know I would have focused on…
Colvin looking good tonight.
fwiw, wariboko……….Bob Przybylo @BPrzybylo
#Sooners target @JoshuaJ45 confirms he’ll announce at @AllAmericaGame. No order on top 3 of #OU, UCLA, Ohio St. #OKPreps
12:57 PM – 18 Dec 2014
Mmmyea just am not feeling Wariboko. I never mind a kid being unable to make up his mind; it’s an important decision. But there seems to be too much waffling and drama there. Good luck to him wherever he lands. I just won’t pay much attention. Doubt he lands in Norman.
Where’s the drama?
After his “psyche” stunt months ago and insisting on his brother being offered I would prefer he go some where else.
…..patterson got coy award…….probably deserved
Too bad HBC Stoops doesn’t feel nervous about HIS job. Agree about Cale, JM and B squared, they are the ONLY coaches that should feel secure IMHO.