Sooners News Daily 11.10.14
Posted on: November 10, 2014
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As you’d expect, there was a lot written yesterday following the embarrassment we all witnessed on Owen Field last Saturday. Some of what was written was smart and critical (as it should have been), while some of it was rather stupid. This, however, was what I found to be the best of what I read. (Transcript)
fwiw, Stoops described Knight's injury as "somewhere between his shoulder and neck." Sounded like a stinger to me, but I'm also no doctor.
— Jordan Esco (@Jordan_Esco) November 9, 2014
Close of the show, Stoops says he doesn't know right now Knight's status for Sat or for practice early this week. Reiterates he's day-to-day
— Jordan Esco (@Jordan_Esco) November 9, 2014
Also says Shepard didn't re-aggravate his injury in the pregame. "Just knew he couldn't go." Said Shep will be day-to-day this week also.
— Jordan Esco (@Jordan_Esco) November 9, 2014
Good times.
Oklahoma is unranked in the AP poll for the first time since the final rankings of the 2009 season. Snaps 76-poll streak
— Ralph D. Russo (@ralphDrussoAP) November 9, 2014
More fun from Saturday.
Before losing by 34 to Baylor Saturday, Bob Stoops had lost six career home games by a combined 36 points h/t @TravHaneyESPN
— RJ Bell (@RJinVegas) November 9, 2014
Other than the self-serving intro (fans have been saying the program was growing stale, and were right both then and now, way longer than this guy), I thought the Misery Index pretty much nailed it regarding OU & Stoops. (USA Today)
The OU defense is apparently just playing for pride now….sigh. (TW)
The latest on Adrian Peterson. (ESPN)
ICYMI, KU fans tore down their goal posts on Saturday after a win against 2-7 Iowa State. At least it’s almost basketball season. (Deadspin)
And Charlie Strong went crowd surfing after an upset win over West Virginia keeping Texas’ bowl game hopes alive. (The Big Lead)
OTHER
Nice run to the Big 12 title game over the weekend from OU Soccer, but unfortunately they came up a little short. (Sooner Sports)
Ka. Boom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSC0T4g_yIY
I mean…whatever you need to do to pass the time I guess.
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When does the new Star Wars movie come out? I need some good news!
Not for a couple more years, 2016…..Probably about the same time OU gets their head out of their…..Well I digress….sorry, its monday, I got here early, I need to vent lol
FWIW, it’s been in the rumor mill for some time that all the previous Star Wars films are to be released digitally this month on either Netflix or iTunes. This will give me something to do on Saturdays.
starting this week at TT, it is time to see what young Cody Thomas can do at QB . For sure, his lack of experience is problematic but , with Knight’s injury and the season shot all to H***, why not give this guy a chance to show what skills he possesses ? He might /might not be what OU is looking for but, if he is, he has three games to gain valuable experience for next season.
The best QB needs to play if they are both healthy. And I can’t imagine that not being Knight. I get what you are saying, and in a perfect world, it would be nice to get Thomas some PT the rest of the season. But OU isn’t the type of program, that after 3 losses, starts tanking (and that’s exactly what playing young guys over better/older players is) games to build for next year.
It’s easier to mix in young people at other positions for a few plays/series, than it is at QB. Hopefully we can build a lead, especially against KU at home, and Thomas can get on the field that way.
Sorry but tanking means losing on purpose not playing young guys. I’m sure you’re just cracking wise but just for clarities sake…
Wouldn’t not playing your best guys increase your chances of losing? It’s a form of tanking.
Hopefully we start changing up our practices and then the cream will rise to the top, regardless of age
Cody is not better than Knight, not sure why anyone would think this.
I like Zach’s attitude. I hope they finish strong. We really do have some players.
I think it is time to consider changing the course of OU football forever : DOWNSIZING to FCS status. OU’s facilities would allow it to be ‘ the big fish in a small pond’ that is needed for OU to be dominant again ; 2.) downsizing would allow for trimming the budget, cut scholarship expenses, trim recruiting expenses, and allow OU to play teams with similar demographic issues, location issues, and recruiting priorities; 3.) downsizing would allow Boren to use the $ 300M athletic spending package for academic infrastructural needs ; 4.) downsizing would allow OU to pay a new, younger staff far less in salaries than is currently the case ; 5.) OU would no longer have to play the KST’s / Texas’s / Baylor’s and concentrate on teams they would be more competitive with……………..a win-win situation for fans, players, and the university.
Sandusky? Is that you?
I love it when the mentally unbalanced go trolling. This is great stuff!
Stephen, while I respect your opinion, it seems to be self-serving, sort of gloating. Your comments are somewhat contradicting which causes me to question the amount of allegiance to OU. I’ll be honest, I don’t appreciate what you say most of the time because of you come across cold and callous. There are a lot of Sooner fans trying to get moving again. You should respect that. Your words add no value to my day. I wish this site had features similar to Facebook. I would unfriend you so that I wouldn’t have to read your ridiculous comments. As I can’t do that, I will have to exercise some discipline and not read anything you post.
If I could only like this many more times
Dude he’s just trying to get a rise outta people………………..
No rise, here. Just letting him know he’s not appreciated by me.
That’s exactly what he was looking for @SamSooner:disqus
….what a sad sad existence
The comment is gone. We left it up in another post but it wasn’t a comment that merited repeating in my opinion.
Thanks, K.
He’s a troll. Don’t feed him.
Pathetic post of the month.
Hey Mack, you should just take the SMU job and leave the internet to us.
Even if Trevor is near 100% what’s the harm in starting Cody Thomas for the rest of the year anyway? Trevor couldn’t win the starting job last year after his injury (until the Sugar Bowl) and I think we see why. Sure his running game has been hindered, and that’s where he’s a real threat, and the receivers get drops but he’s not mentally good enough for a top tier D1 program. Stares down Shepard every chance he gets, doesn’t seem to read coverage well in short passing situations, and constantly makes very strange throws (pick 6 against K-State).
Because it sets a bad precedent.
Star player: “Oh, if I go to OU, as soon as they lose 2-3 games they are going to bench starters and play less talented younger guys.”
That is not a good thing to have your program known for.
Is Trevor Knight our “star player?” Wasn’t Blake Bell recruited as our star QB and he ended up getting benched for Knight.
Bell got benched b/c Knight was better, or thought to be better.
I don’t think there is anybody out there that would argue that Cody Thomas gives us a better change to beat TT, KU, or OSU than a healthy Knight. If he did, if Thomas was “better” already, he’d be starting over Knight.
If Knight is healthy, and still our best QB today, he needs to start and take most of the snaps in a close game. I have no problems working Thomas in for a series or two, or turning things over to him if we get a large lead. That makes sense.
I’m not saying Cody Thomas is better, yet, but wasn’t he also hurt at the beginning of the year? That could be where the non-replacement factor has come in.
Look, I think it is fair to stick up to your guy. Especially, knowing the talent TK has, that we all recognize. Go and check my posts during our losses to TCU and KSU. Always had coaches and especially Trevors back. But, the mark of a good, forget great, QB is to learn from his mistakes and grow. I am very sad to say this but, he seems to be making the exact same mistake every game. Atleast in KSU game, he made the mistake and came back but in this game, some of his decisions were mind boggling, throwing over the middle into double coverage, repeatedly, even after the interception. Missing a wide open Quick for a long TD. You have now over 10 games experience, you need to make better decisions and make plays when it matters.
I really think he needs to be benched for Cody, see what he can do. And in the spring, there needs to be a competition for the starting spot. Recruits can think what they want, in the end, its about not repeating the same mistakes over and over.
I’m not sticking up for anybody. I’ve been critical of Knight since last season. I even said at the end of last season that I wasn’t sure he was the answer at QB this year and going forward. Too many red flags. But he was/is young. He still might improve. I just don’t want to hold my breathe waiting to see if it happens.
I said before the season started we’d go as a team as Knight went as our QB. He’s been pretty average, and as a team, so have we. I certainly don’t put any of the losses directly on him, but better play from him certainly could have prevented two of the losses, at least.
I’m excited for an open QB competition this offseason. I just don’t like the idea of benching Knight for Thomas at this time. I don’t. I think it would be giving up on this season, and since we only have 3 losses, I just hate the way that would look. If we were sitting at 5 losses right now, my opinion might be different.
I agree with most, if not all, of what you say. But my reasoning is two fold, 1. it will enable Cody to show what he has, 2. it might motivate TK to rise his level of play. I am suggesting it because of the fact that we are playing teams with losing records the rest of the way. We can get away with this experimentation, even though like you say, its not the optimum solution.
I have not seen why anyone would think that Cody gives us a better chance than Knight.
He had 1 decent drive where he mainly handed the ball off, had a good scramble and completed one pass.
When he came in against ISU, he threw many poor passes, threw an interception and did nothing. Then he came in against Baylor and also did nothing of note. If he was the better option he would be playing.
Well, we hadn’t seen anything from Trevor Knight that would make us think he was better than Blake Bell when he was named the starter in last years opener. Came out and made all sorts of bad throws, forced, short, long, etc. Still gave him a shot.
Will any of the reporters at today’s press conference have the sack to ask Stoops the tough questions(other than Hoover). Would Stoops have enough humility to answer any of them? Does he(and the players) also realize that the booing was intended solely for the coaching staff and not the players.
IMO, it’s not that they won’t ask (although that certainly does apply to some) so much as they won’t push him for an actual answer instead of coach-speak b.s.
But, in short, to answer your question, no.
I have been telling people, the press conference today could determine if I go to an OU game next year. I hate to say it cause I have defended stoops but you h ave to lay blame somewhere, I know its a team, and I know everyone works together but when you get a flat tire you don’t say your entire car failed. IMO, there are a few parts that need to be replaced. Call me “An angry irrational OU fan,” but that is my opinion.
He’ll say it’s on him, and his coaches, and his players, but it just all rings so hollow to me at this point. And to be honest, there is simply no defending what they did defensively against Baylor. I don’t care what he says, there is no defending what they did in that game and how passively they played.
Yup, I agree. This is OKLAHOMA football, and we play meek and admit that the other team has better scheme and athletes. CMON man. I would rather we die by the sword playing aggressive. That MS press conference was the worst I have seen as a OU fan. It made him look like he has no clue what he is doing. Did he even watch WVU tape? Does he think WVU has better defensive players? This is even after a barrage of questions by the media if the coaches are aware of how WVU schemed Baylor and TFB talking ad-nausuem about how pressure will be our ally. Forget WVU, you did the exact same thing in the first quarter and it was working. JUST PATHETIC.
I agree with you. But is he going to actually own it without some sort of Copy Paste regurgitation. After the season, will there be a shake up? A lot has to change, and I am sorry, I know its one game but I haven’t felt that low at an OU home game since the 90s.
I’m pretty sure they considered every way to attack Baylor. LB blitz etc…but clearly, they felt that they needed to keep everything in front of them, hence, no press coverage. Please submit evidence that playing more aggressive would have made a difference. Any OU fan will know that this is roughly the same philosophy they always employed against the better Tech teams. Keep everything in front, make them go the length of the field, and have sure tackling. I’m asking why didn’t the front four or three beat their man and get pressure on Petty? Not talented enough front four?
“Please submit evidence that playing more aggressive would have made a difference. ” I submit the score at the end of 3rd quarter that was tried was not effective, try a different approach. Just my 2 cents…
Agreed. I think three things worried them. The Baylor run game, the deep passes, and the short passes (lol, I guess that is everything). They did a pretty darn good job of taking away the running game and the deep passes. But we didn’t do a good enough job of not letting them nickel and dime us to death. Gotta be some give and take. Gotta be some in game adjustments. I don’t think the solution is nearly as easy as many on here suggest, but you can’t do what we did either. As for what WVU did to Baylor, a) teams have different strengths, and b) I’m sure Baylor regrouped over the last few weeks and made some adjustments themselves as to not allow what WVU did to them to be as successful.
The evidence was very clearly on film from Baylor’s games against Texas & West Virginia. Press, play man coverage, and blitz a Bryce Petty who crumbles under pressure. This was said all week, both here and elsewhere, instead they did what they did and we know what happened.
Jordan, I don’t always agree with you about the Sooners but I certainly do on this statement. My wife and I have been a season ticket holder since my student days in the early 1960s. In all of those years we have left a game early three times; once because of weather, once because of a sick child, and Saturday in disgust. We even rode it out in the Blake years, but the Baylor fiasco was too much; too much disappointment.
respect.
I really hope that anyone who booed during the game never shows up to or watches another OU sporting event. Ever.
You can be silent or absent, but you never boo your team.
They didn’t boo the team. They boo’d Mike Stoops.
I’m sure that was apparent to the players.
You don’t do that. Azzhole move on the part of those who booed. They should get in their damn cars, pick a cardinal direction and keep going. They are not wanted here.
Were you even at the game? Season ticket holder? I’m both. I had no problems with the booing. Honestly don’t remember if I contributed or not. I was so disgusted with that drive, that I’ve erased it from my memory.
No to both. I was watching from home. Last time I checked, season tickets with contribution were about two grand too rich for my blood. I sincerely hope that my relative penury doesn’t mean I can’t be a fan…or that paying for tickets somehow elevates ticket holders above other fans.
I guess the short version is: if you are so disgusted with the performance, get up and leave. But don’t boo the poor bastards who have to finish the thing out…and don’t hide behind claims to be booing only the waterboy or the tight end coach or the trainer or the guy in the black leather jacket. It’s just not right and the fact that Sooner fans did so this past Saturday is both pitiful and disgusting; and they should be eternally humiliated if they joined in.
Actually you can get season tickets for two for around $1,200 which includes the donation.
Thank you for the information.
Yeah geography has never been on my side. Hard to get to a game. I was raised never to boo either. And I would not want to take a chance for a player or recruit to misconstrue where they were aimed
I agree, I wasn’t there but I think I would have boo’ed. That was one of the most sickening feelings I have ever had watching an OU game. I do feel bad for the players, but not because of the boo’s, its because they bust their ass to get out there and play and were once again let down by their coaching staff.
The main reason that I do agree with the booing is that Joe C, David Boren, and the Stoops brothers all heard it, and hopefully it will haunt their dreams for a few nights and bring some changes.
I wasn’t at the game, and more than likely wouldn’t have participated in the booing had I been there. That said, I can understand why it was done. I just hope that the players know that it wasn’t directed at them. I see the players giving maximum effort and only wish the coaching staff would put them in a position to be successful.
So true, Jed. That’s not right.
I wasn’t at the game, but I certainly “booed” for most of the 2nd half. And I’ll be booing again this weekend, if we play nearly as bad as we did on Saturday.
Cool man. So cool
I’m sorry I don’t approach a billion dollar industry the same way as a pee-wee league. I’m not giving everyone a trophy and a pat on the back. If that’s what you want to do, then go ahead.
Haha. That’s what this world has become. A lot of entitled delta bravos who feel like because I bug a ticket I get to do what I want. Try to get on the field and see what happens. Try to get in on a meeting and see what happens. Booing was never ok in my house. Not even for the other team. You wanna show displeasure? Don’t go. Eventually they’ll get it
That’s fine. But everyone is not wrong just because they don’t approach things like you. You sound like the “delta bravo”
How am I entitled? What is it I feel entitled to? People acting civilized? Oh no we can’t have that. There are plenty of ways of having your opinion noted, if that’s what people are after. Booing ain’t on that list. People can and will do whatever they want but booing has always sounded like a bunch of spoiled whining to me. Trust me, I’ve been booed plenty
the definition of the word boo… “said to show disapproval or contempt, especially at a performance or athletic contest.” I wasn’t at the game so you obviously didn’t hear me boo. However, the fans that did boo (and there were many) have every right to express their displeasure. You suggested earlier to just “Don’t go”.. how is that any more “civilized” than booing?
Because you aren’t there. Pretty cut and dried. You think the team stinks, the coaches stink, the opera stinks, the movie stinks….don’t give em your money. I have never and will never understand spending money on something and it doesn’t go your way and you boo, then rinse and repeat. That makes zero sense to me
So are you against applauding when something goes right too? Or should we just sit there with our hands in our lap and remain “civilized”
Haha. Clapping is ok. Being loud is great. Make life miserable for your opponent should be the goal. Anything less would be uncivilized
I’m booing your ass right now. Beat a dead horse already geez!
57 posts of sit on your hands, never boo, why I never, entitled, never bought a ticket…etc
Do us all a favor and pick a new topic to discuss!
Another whiner. Shocking. Change the channel if you don’t like it. And I believe that whole conversation has been over for several hours but thanks for the $0.02. Really productive retort. Go back to land thieves. This place is more than fine without you
Hardly whining…. I’m stating the obvious. You were correct in your initial post that fans should not boo. You won that argument at that moment… I agree btw…
I was actully at the game and left after the 3rd qtr. Never once thought about booing, but was certainly disappointed.
Snappy retort of your own there, however… Mine was better. 🙂
Stay classy boomersooner!
Haha. Now that was a good one. I just don’t like when some people try to tell you how to think and I felt I got hit with that a lot today. Yours was better
Let’s call it tie…..
Defensive backs? LOL
And like most have already said… the boos where directed at the multi-million dollar coaching staff, not the players. I’m sure the coaches feelings are okay.
I don’t give a damn about feelings except for the kids and the recruits. That’ll be awesome when the nellies booing leads to recruits not wanting to come here which leads to losses which leads to more of the bitching….awesome. I can’t wait
Welcome to reality… people boo when they aren’t happy. You heard them, right? Not every fan see’s the world through rose-colored glasses… not every fan is “cool” with just winning 9 or 10 games every year. We aren’t the only school that boos. Booing hurting recruiting??? That’s a stretch. I’m sure Texas fans have done their fair share of booing, yet they seem to always have the top recruiting class in the Big 12 year after year…. go figure!
Just because a lot of entitled people do something don’t make it right
You have to realize that BS and MS make money in the millions, they deserve to hear what the fan has to say regarding the shitty game plan they put out. From the reaction of Julian, he also would have joined in on the boo’ing, if he was not busy tackling with a broken finger.
I’m well aware that Bob and Mike make lots of money doing this. Doesn’t mean Sooner fans should be booing their team. You want to boo them? Go to the press conference or stand outside their church and boo them in person.
For the record, I would love to see that. lmao
Jed, not trying to pick a fight but silence or absence is the LAST thing anyone wants, it is a akin to apathy which is a cancer that feeds
i feel the boo’ing was for the staff not the players for the record
I get that, but it smacks of throwing a bucket of water on someone and telling the person beside them, “Oh, sorry, I wasn’t throwing it at you.”
i can see your point
fair enough and I’m not trying to fight with anyone; I was and am just mortified that our stands acted in such a bush league manner.
Bush league is it. Lot of people feel entitled these days and love to hide in crowds
It may or may not be bush league, but I guarantee you it’ll happen at any school if the situation gets bad enough. Bama. Texas. FSU. You name the school, booing has happened there.
I’m sure it’s happened in small doses at other OU games, but under Stoops, that is the FIRST time I’ve ever heard it like that. When done so infrequently, I can’t complain.
I’d like to believe that our fans are better than whorns et al. I guess not. Oh well.
Last year I was at the Iowa State game and there was a group of fans sitting behind us and all they did was b1tch about the fact that we were only up 7-0 after the first quarter. They ended up leaving after the 1st quarter. I would call that entitled and bush league. Granted, we did look pretty pathetic up to that point, especially on offense. But it was the first quarter and we were still up. To be honest, as a fan, I was glad they left. But that’s entirely different from what we saw on Saturday. So while I don’t support booing every time a fan is unhappy, there are times where I think it’s warranted…and Saturday on that drive was absolutely one of those times. You’re right that the players weren’t the main problem, and it’s unfortunate that they get thrown under that bus along with the coaches. But fans communicate with the team via cheering and booing. If it gets bad enough they just leave. I know that frustrates the team, but what else do you expect people to do? How do you THINK they should handle it? Just grin and bear it? It might be unfair to boo, but it’s also unfair to expect fans not to be upset with the crap we all witnessed on Saturday.
I’d suggest communicating directly with Bob. Write him a damn letter or something. He might be proud and stubborn, but he’s not stupid. What I hate to see happen is for OU to lose the reputation of having great and supportive fans. We have no mountains, oceans or ‘hip’ cities to act as draws for players. But we have a reputation for being a supportive and positive fan base. I’d hate to give that advantage away merely to vent frustration.
I guess I just don’t get worked up about that kind of thing. It’s been a staple of sports that fans cheer when they’re happy and boo when they’re not. I think for the most part OU fans HAVE been respectful of these Sooners. And I think they’ve been patient, too. We live in a results-centric society where people have unrealistic expectations. People get frustrated extremely quickly when things don’t go their way and make knee-jerk reactions and decisions. So for things to get where they are now and we’re just now hearing the boos…well it’s better than most other places. Either way, to expect people not to boo is expecting too much of the average sports fan, IMO.
I was at the game, and have had season tickets the last 10 years. I have never once heard the Sooner fans boo the Sooners and/or the coaches. While I did not boo, I never do unless it is OSU or Texas, I do not blame those that do. When you watch a team run the same play over and over, to the same receiver, and no adjustment is made in like 10 plays, it is frustrating. It is terrible when every fan within hearing range is yelling, “Why are our DB’s playing 10 yards off the ball?” Even worse when the few BU fans are asking the same thing. In my opinion, it is the arrogant, my plan doesn’t need any adjustments, attitude that has cost us games this season. Obviously something is broken, but our coaches think they are too good to fix it, so they blame execution.
I agree with your analysis.
The entire north side of the stadium need not show up for any more games then. I was there. I did boo. Not at the players, but at the coaches.
With the way they were calling defense, there was literally NO WAY we could have defended those passes to open the 3rd quarter. From the pre-snap look we were giving Baylor, there are two ways to stop those short passes: 1.) jump the route with a linebacker 2.) have your CBs crash hard on underneath stuff. We did neither of those things. As such, I believe whoever could have made the decision to do those things (but didn’t) should have been booed.
I agree. Where’s the great fix that Mike Stoops was supposed to bring in?
Jordan I wonder what the guy who says your perspective on OU football is a drag was saying watching the baylor game. ” those are some really nice jerseys! ” “OU is just so polite when it comes to holding the door open for the other team to the end zone, it shows character”.
I mean I’ll leave it up to others to decide, but I think a lot of what I said has proved to be pretty accurate. And I’ll just leave it at that.
when I read this site I love the fact that homerism is non-existent.the writers love their Sooners but will criticize where it is due.
I never criticize just to criticize. If I feel it’s deserved then I have no problem saying it. Just like I’ll praise them, coaches or players, when they deserve that.
Actually “the guy” was me. I took issue with what was stayed pregame at ISU. Obviously you weren’t privy to the conversation so you wouldn’t really know what you were talking about. I watched the same crap everybody else did. We have issues but no major ones. Just a lot of little things that will add up to that crap. Do people deserve blame? Yes. Do they deserve it before a game even starts? Nope. Just enjoy it til there’s nothing to enjoy. I’m sure you and the other “realists” won’t agree with that but whatever
I was privy to the conversation as I added my two cents on that conversation as well, if you go back and look you would obviously see I know what I’m talking about. If you think this team has no major issues I have a house in Damascus to sell you, Syria is beautiful this time of year.
Oh sorry there Johnny Madden. I didn’t realize who it was. If you and some other fans wanna concede defeat before a game go right ahead. I would never have wanted you on any of my teams or in a foxhole with me ever. Good luck with the house tho. Tough markets all over the place
You would have loved to have me on your team! !!. And in the foxhole? I’m comedy gold in the foxhole!
Haha. Thank you sir. I’ll take it. Sorry for getting heated
No problem. We are a passionate base.
What you don’t want the house? ??? It has a sun roof.
It was you and I both.
And I want to clarify something that I almost clarified last Monday, but decided to let it go. I have ZERO problems with anybody on this site voicing a reasoned point of view on OU football that is negative. If you are writing an article/story about what went wrong, and you felt a lot went wrong, write it. If somebody asks you a question in the comments and your reply is full of sunshine and song birds? Write it.
What I have/had a problem with was three-fold. First, it was the drive-by pot shots. The one liners that did nothing but stir the pot, or serve to be negative releases for the poster.
Second, and I’ve had a problem with this for a number of years regarding a number of different teams I root for, but I cannot stand CONSTANT questioning of coaches. The “Bob Stoops doesn’t know how to coach anymore” comments. The comments suggesting Bob and Mike can’t see what is going on. Look, they know way more than any of us. Partly b/c they coach for a living, and have been for a long time. And partly b/c they work with our team every day. They know what they are capable of. They know what their weaknesses are. They know if they are nursing an injury. Or unfocused. Or not picking up on mental aspects of the game. Stuff that no casual fan has any idea about. So CONSTANT bashing of the coaches always ruffles my feathers. Especially coaches that have proven track records.
And third, recruits come to this site, and have direct contact with most everybody that is an admin here. Why would anybody, let alone somebody that is an admin, want this site to be a place where a recruit would come, and read nothing but negative comments? Especially from the admins. Again, I’m not saying to sugarcoat everything/anything. I’m not saying not to point out where we need to improve or our weaknesses. I’m just saying, the negative pot shots for the sake of being negative, the jabs at the OU program and coaching staff, that certainly can’t help with recruiting given the nature of the admins and the interactions they have with various recruits.
That was the problem I had.
I’m along those same lines. Well said. The world is Monday morning qb now, which is ok to a point but then you get another and another and all of a sudden it snow balls into nobody on the team is worth a damn and the coaches can’t coach their way out of a wet paper sack. Jordan brings a lot to a site but, like you’re saying, its when there are negative comments from posters that get us nowhere except bouncing off the walls for 10 minutes. Need to have some discussion instead of always calling stuff a straw man argument and not answering nothing
The D has been sad all year they have to let some other players get some reps in for next season. I just can’t believe Mike Stoops is this lousy. Julian Wilson might be worst corner I’ve seen in OU history but I admire him calling out both Stoops for that soft coverage regardless of how terrible the safeties are you have to adjust.
Yesterday I went back and re-watched the game, I know (misery) but I wanted to evaluate different players and groups to see what was really going on. I was surprised by some of the things I discovered.
Oline: They played well overall and created some nice holes during some of the run plays. I wish we would have stuck with it because the play action fakes mean nothing if you haven’t established a run game. One glaring weakness we have is at center. At times he gets manhandled if he doesn’t have help. On a positive note though is the fact that he hustles on every play and seems to be really trying. With more weight and strength he’ll be good.
Receivers: One thing that stood out to me was what happens when the initial receiver is covered. I don’t know what they’ve been taught but I saw too many of them just jogging and not trying to make themselves available. I’m not sure what to say but I was surprised by the lack of hustle to help the QB.
QB: Knight’s throws were really hit or miss. He make some great throws and then missed some throws badly. We all know he doesn’t look off the safety/linebackers and is ready to run when his primary is covered. To me these things all seem teachable and he has skills.
Dline: This was tough because at times I don’t know what they’re being ask to do. What I saw was great effort at times and then several plays where it seemed there was no effort at all. Phillips can be a monster at times and then sometimes just stand there on a play. The DE’s get doubled a lot but there’s good effort on their part.
LB: Nothing bad to say here. Yes, their light and get dragged at times but they seem to have good vision and instincts and make a lot of tackles. We stopped Baylors running game very well I thought.
Secondary: I don’t want to repeat what everyone has already said so I’ll just note that it seemed to me that MStoops really feared Baylor’s vertical game and for the most part he took that away. Unfortunately, Baylor adjusted and took what was given. I didn’t notice any adjustments made on OU’s part in the game but maybe I just missed them.
RB’s: no issues there, great group just wish they were utilized more with play action to help young receivers.
Interesting game to watch the second time. I came away feeling we didn’t play as badly as I thought. It just felt we were not playing what I’ve always thought was OU’s type of game. Here’s my best 11, beat me if you can!
The one thing I would point which is crucial is, our OLine is too much hit and miss and same with D line. If it’s 3and1, one of our Oline always whiffed and they stuffed us, where Baylor always managed to make it with their running game. That is frustrating, the lack of consistency. And TK running was shut out, which JH never adjusted, after blowing up on ISU, thought JH had found a way to call the QB run game only to see those formations never being used, even once.
The O-line is huge, but it doesn’t move well. As big as they are, they look like a Big Ten line that does nothing, and this is exactly what they look like out there. Nothing.
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Second, about OU defensive scheme.
I’m pretty sure they considered every way to attack Baylor. LB blitz etc…but clearly, they felt that they needed to keep everything in front of them, hence, no press coverage. Please submit evidence that playing more aggressive would have made a difference. Any OU fan will know that this is roughly the same philosophy they always employed against the better Tech teams. Keep everything in front, make them go the length of the field, and have sure tackling. I’m asking why didn’t the front four or three beat their man and get pressure on Petty? Not talented enough front four?
To me, the things that helped in the past are an offense that could put up pts consistently and sustain drives, and a defense that can bring pressure and cover long enough to allow a blitz or rush to get there. When you play off every single play, it makes it easy peasy to dink and dunk all the way down the field, which is what happened, and will not give your blitz or rush enough time to get there(this would make blitzing a moot point). The evidence is what happened. It looked like a pro bowl out there. Someone with more knowledge will have to answer about the line but if you rush only 3 or 4, you’d better have Reggie White out there because you’re going up against 5 or 6
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Can we recruit the guy who picked up the mule? Not sure what he squats but there is weight room strong, the there is country strong. That man could move some o linemen out of the way!!
Found this today: http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/11/national-reaction-90-percent-of-high-school-quarterbacks-could-have-completed-50-percent-of-passes-against-oklahoma-saturday.html/
National reaction: 90 percent of high school quarterbacks could have completed 50 percent of passes against Oklahoma Saturday
SMH….
Would like to see the math on that one. Too many variables to make that assumption, arm strength, vision, schemes and concepts, etc. Just goes to show the national reactor are no more rational than the local ones…lol
So in the presser, Coach said that the Db’s have (at times) options to play press coverage. You cannot blame the coaches only here, unless you have a quote from a DB who says he was forced to play off the WR. If you cite Julian’s screaming on the sideline, then you are calling Bob a liar.
That seems strange! I can’t imagine a system that allows your dbs to decide for themselves whether to press or play off. Are you sure that’s what he said?
I know we’re all frustrated w/ things, but let’s please try to keep it civil here. Much appreciated!
Former players (stars) Dusty Devorchek and Teddy Lehman believe Baylor has better or at least as good as players as OU. But not 48-14 better. Nonetheless, the players have to execute.
Early Bowl projections…don’t see how…
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/week-12-bowl-projections-alabama-vs-florida-state-in-championship-game/ar-AA7r5p5?ocid=iehp
I am just baffled by the secondary play. Maybe im wrong but can’t you jam the reciver within 5 yards? We just kept playing so far off the recivers. It was like the definition of insanity playing out right in front of our eyes. I will wholeheartedly always support our Sooners no matter what. This game just left me scratching my head.
Maybe all of the fans should stay home for the Kansas game.