Sooners News Daily 6.17.15

FOOTBALL

“How can Oklahoma, in the Big 12 Conference, be looking up at TCU and Baylor?” (Transcript)

Well, that’s interesting. But makes sense when you really think about it, IMO.

Pretty sure the TCU (OU +3) & Texas (OU -4) lines had already come up, but here are some others.

Will be interesting to see if OU ever feels the pressure to do something similar with Texas and now Baylor also apparently planning something similar.

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166 Comments

  • Mike Reed says:

    #1

  • 47 Straight OU Know says:

    Instead of just a middle finger to the SEC, can we give them the double middle fingers? And on the Big Burger hold the guacamole on mine!! And as far as #BeAboutIt Lets be about making them #FearThe Sooners this year.

  • Sooner 4Ever says:

    #3

    • rphokc says:

      curious, do you happen to post on oui under the same name……thxs

      • Sooner 4Ever says:

        Yes. I’ve been a member with OUInsider, and its many iterations, going back to when James joined up with Brian. And prior to James and Brian getting together, I was a posting member of whichever board with which James was affiliated going back to about 1997.

        • rphokc says:

          ok, thxs for responding…….I didn’t renew with oui last fall. If I remember correctly, you would occasionally give your humorous take on things amid the arguments breaking out. I’m still waiting for matteon to show up here and dazzle with pages of preciseness, taking on all comers. Anyway, thxs again, good to see you………

          • SoonerOracle737 says:

            He was doing that yesterday on OUI. Ugh. I just can’t read all the arguments and name calling stuff.

          • Sooner 4Ever says:

            I like to try to interject a little humor where I can. Sometimes it’s subtle… sometimes I beat the funny bone with a sledgehammer. I never take anything too personally, even when disagreements get heated, because I try to remember that we’re all Sooner fans and ultimately want the same thing. So I try to deflect with humor if I can.

            I have let my OUI subscription lapse twice in the last 2+ years because that board has become almost unbearable. Between the fighting between factions and the homerism of James that is quickly approaching Robert Allenesque blind allegiance, I keep thinking it’s not worth $120 a year in these tough times. Then football season rolls around and I cave and buy again… then regret it by November. But, an 18 year old habit dies hard.

  • John Garner says:

    The temporary facilities at the Bud look awesome. I’m sure many schools would like to have that as their permanent. So I can only imagine what ours will look like.

  • Eric Hoffpauir says:

    It’s amazing to me how little respect Perine is getting nationally. I’d slot him at pre-season All-American over the likes of Fournette, for sure.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      You forgot, non-SEC players are second rate at best

    • Indy_sooner says:

      They have to pump up the likes of Fournette (Speedy Noil, really?) to justify the fact that Perine was not highly ranked out of school. I’m fine with it, the numbers don’t lie

    • Jordan Esco says:

      S-E-C tho

    • hemisooner says:

      We know he is the best but I like it bc you know the coaches are going to tell him about it. It will only make him better.

  • Katyboomer says:

    I forgot just how good Mixon really was coming out of high school. Man the guy can do it all. Wonder if he can be a iron man player and play RB/WR plus DB? Link to youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwfde3r_KI

    • 47 Straight OU Know says:

      The Anticipation is almost to much to take. Only 80 more days until we find out how hungry he really is.

      • Katyboomer says:

        yeah I think b4 the season is over we will have one of the best backfields in the nation. I think Mixion is real hungry,like buffet hungry LOL

        • 47 Straight OU Know says:

          If they both feed off of each others success, I will go ahead and say the best backfield combo in the nation. But just my opinion.

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Yes. In addition, Shep and Dede could be top 5 or already are, given that before the injury Shep was an All-American. Just need someone who’ll not throw pick sixes and a D that will only allow 21-24 points a game.

          • Katyboomer says:

            Agree,we could have a really good season, but I have been let down b4. I hope we have the season we all want and need as Sooner fans!

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            I am so sick of hearing about Baylor and TCU and the ESPN excitement about Charlie Strong…OU needs to return to greatness. Playoff or bust this year.

          • hemisooner says:

            Agree. I really think Riley is a major step up from the last OC. Just like the OCs for TCU did for them.

    • hemisooner says:

      He reminds me of a bigger Marshall Faulk.

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      the best part of that, the guy covering him got juked so badly as did the safety coming up to tackle that the underneath guy tackled the safety instead

    • JY says:

      6:03 is where the Game film starts. Happy hump day! Boomer!

      • ToatsMcGoats says:

        Sooner!

      • Katyboomer says:

        What day is it? Hump day!!! ( Wet day here in Katy)

        • JY says:

          Man alive, have you guys ever got that much rain in Texas?!

          • John Garner says:

            I wish it was us here in CA.

          • Stephen Dale says:

            yep, California needs a lot of rain statewide…..looks scary out there….

          • John Garner says:

            It is. Especially for the farmers. But you guys are getting more than you need or want and that can be — in terms of flooding — scary as well.

          • Katyboomer says:

            No, not that I can remember, I planted about 2,000 pine trees this winter so glad we are getting all the rain. Never thought I would say this, but now I am getting worried they may get to much rain LOL

          • EasTex says:

            Before this latest gulley-washer, Texas had received 35 trillion gallons of rain this spring.
            Still beats a drought, though.

          • SoonerMGB56 says:

            I moved to Texas (Dallas area) in ’92, and we had 45″ of rain that year, and 50 in ’95 and ’07. This rain is on pace to smash those, and probably all the local records. We had 16 inches of rain in May here, a local record (maybe even a state record) for a single month.
            So since I’ve been here, this is the most rain ever.

          • EasTex says:

            I moved to Dallas in late ’91.
            I also remember those wet years, with the classic Wile E. Coyote moment at Lake Lewisville when the lake topped the spillway for the first time in ’07.
            https://youtu.be/gPOnDMEzKpk

          • Sooner 4Ever says:

            We moved to Dallas in January of ’86 and that spring was, as best I recall having been 12 at the time, the wettest spring on record… or in the previous 40 or 50 years. It was uncanny in that it seemed to start raining sometime on Friday afternoon/ evening and not stop until Sunday. The running joke became “what follows 3 days of rain in Dallas? Monday.”

    • John Garner says:

      Checkdowns to Mixon out of the backfield will be an awesome weapon. We have a ton of talent outside and behind the Center, so I imagine the key will be the O-Line. Pretty much always is, but especially going into this season. If we can pass pro with the efficiency that we have in the past, we’ll be deadly. It’s all on Lincoln.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      How does Lincoln Riley not just break out giggling every time he gets asked about the players he has. Mixon and Andrews are going to give him so much flexibility. In Mixon you have a RB that can be split out to WR and in Andrews you have a TE that can be split out as a WR. He can put anything from a four WR set to a power I and never change personnel.

      • Katyboomer says:

        I am sure Riley thought about the opening @ OU for about 1 sec and said sign me up, after he saw all the weapons he had to work with. He was singing ” moving on up to the top” on his way out of ECU LOL

        • Bob Edwards says:

          If he is as good as advertised, Bob better be making his short list for a replacement, because he will be singing “moving on up to the top” again. And if Bob doesn’t get the D going, the moving up might be across the hall into Bob’s office.

          • Katyboomer says:

            Agree on Riley moving on to be a HC, but at OU I don’t want a TT type move (Kingsbury was not ready) . I almost feel bad for TT, on second thought no I don’t LOL

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Yeah, I pretty much mean that in jest.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            Cale Gundy = short list.
            They look to be grooming him as Rileys successor.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            I suspect you are correct. That makes sense of moving Gundy to WR coach. It gives him experience in the passing game part of the offense and he already has experience in the running game. Next step is an OC position.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            I agree and just the way they teamed Gundy and Riley up on the recruiting trail last year makes me think that Cale was getting a major education on Lincolns offense.

          • Jed says:

            I believe that has crossed some minds.

    • Slim Sooner says:

      Wow! Just wow. I’d forgotten, too.

    • SoonerinLondon says:

      Been saying it all year…”put Mixon in the Josh Norman spot”. That’s the ticket for success.

      • Doobie74OU says:

        I really like the option of Perine and Mixon on the field at the same time! Could line up with 2 running backs or Flex Mixon out real easy. Would be real hard for the defense to get pre-snap reads by personnel!

        • Bob Edwards says:

          Yeah, the could even run an I formation using Perine as a fullback. Don’t know his blocking skills but he is definitely big enough to play fullback. Not for an every play kind of thing but just as another option in the do everything with the same eleven guys scheme.

          • Katyboomer says:

            or could do a diamond formation if Flowers is in there with Perine and Mixon motions to the back field from the flex WR pos. Man this O is going to be fun to watch. Remember Flowers has great hands too, so he could flex out to a 5 WR set as well.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Yeah, I had forgot about Flowers. He seemed to disappear after the first couple of games.

          • Doobie74OU says:

            Heupel had so much Offensive Play calling imagination that he actually thought Flowers could help the offense from the bench! YIPPEE!!!!!!

          • Indy_sooner says:

            smh… hate to rain on a man when he’s down, but we just did not have a way of maximizing use of our talent. Now we have the personnel to do just that.

    • KJ1123 says:

      He’s a big kid too. The video says 6’2″ but he walks around closer to 6’3″ about 215 im guessing. He’s definitely elite in size and skill. Plus he has fresh legs with sitting out a year. It’s funny because you walk by Samaje and think “hmm he’s shorter than I thought” and then you walk by Mixon and think “wow he’s alot taller than I thought”. Can’t wait to see the both of them in the same offense.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      I might be mistaking but wasnt BStoops once asked a question about how good Perine is and Bob made a some remark to the effect of “and hes not even the best freshman rb we have”?
      I might have just dreamed that. Not sure lol

      • Katyboomer says:

        Would be hard pressed to have a better freshman season then Perine ( in all fairness to Bob, I think Bob said that b4 Perine really played very much), but if we get Mixon going this year wow just wow that’s all I can say.

    • Sooner born, Sooner bred says:

      Mixon could play wide receiver and be excellent….Tre Brown looks to me like this kind of athlete. He could be a difference maker at any position you put him. Great post. OU ☝

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    I am sorry but Baylor, I am just waiting for them to fall. Yeah, we got beat a couple of times but you know the Sooners will bounce back. When I see Baylor, I see a team that whined and complained at the end of the season about not getting respect but the season before they lost to UCF in thier bowl game, then last year to Michigan State. It’s like BU is on the National State playing a out of conference team they just fold. As for them getting excited about playing overseas, when I read that I couldn’t help but wonder who are they going to schedule the East London Community College.

    • Jeff says:

      No one cares about the care bears why would they want to play a international game???

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      ELCC is a tough out, so probably not

    • OceanDescender says:

      West Berlin secondary school…

    • Ryan says:

      Lol OU has no room to talk. We have choked in more bcs bowls and nc games than anybody the last 15 years. After dominating the big 12. Still doesn’t make any sense to me.

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        What NC games did we “choke” in? No shame in the LSU and Florida losses. Both were in the other team’s backyard, we were missing key players or had key players injured, and played good, hard fought games.

        I guess you could call the USC debacle a choke.

        • Doobie74OU says:

          I don’t know if “choke” is the right word in the LSU & Florida games and there is certainly no shame in loosing to quality SEC competition but it sure seemed that we didn’t play anywhere near our potential in those 2 games after pretty dominating regular seasons. And then the certified “chokes” were Boise State on the old Hook & Ladder/Statue of Liberty plays and the complete lack of interest in the West Virginia bowl game

          • Jed says:

            Oh, and let’s throw in Clemson. I don’t know if ‘choke’ is the right word but whatever word you’d use to describe faeces of a sick dog, covered in #2 diesel fuel and lit on fire, that’d be the word.

          • Doobie74OU says:

            THAT MENTAL PICTURE IS VERY DISTURBING! as was OU season last year! LOL!

      • Sooner born, Sooner bred says:

        I understand it’s hard to be humble when you’re a Sooner! Let’s see, there’s 120 some teams in division 1 football and only 2 can play for the national championship. Oklahoma and Ohio State are the only two teams to play in every bcs bowl. Oklahoma has won 8 Big XII championships, the next closest is Texas’s at 3. You see where I’m going…..we are way spoiled with OU……I understand having to feed the monster that Oklahoma football is, but come on. I want another national championship as bad as anyone, and am fully confident we’re gonna get one Sooner! than most expect. The Tcu’s and Baylor’s are just getting a taste of what we’ve been eating for how long and that’s OK..lahoma tradition that’s second to none. Alabama….we’ve won the last three. Need I go on. There’s only ☝

      • BigJoeBrown says:

        I see what you are saying, but I am looking at overall schedules. In our OCC schedule excluding bowl games the past 15 years OU, is 2-0 against Bama, 1-1 Miami, 2-0 FSU, 1-1 Notre Dame, 1-1 Oregon, plus victories over Fresno, Tennesse, Washington, Air Force and Cinncinati. Yeah there were a some bowl losses, but you can tell Stoops and Co, aren’t afraid of scheduleing.

        • Drew says:

          Not sure where you got your numbers, but we never lost to Oregon . . .

          • Sooner born, Sooner bred says:

            You’re right…..that game was stolen! OU ☝

          • SamSooner says:

            That was pretty-darn-good. LOL!

          • BigJoeBrown says:

            ha…yeah that’s right, my bad.

          • Drew says:

            Yeah, I’m still VERY bitter about that game. People forget that it wasn’t just the onside kick call, but rather most of the 4th quarter that the refs rigged. This is why I have never rooted for Oregon since. Not even against FSU in the playoffs last year.

    • WilliamJack says:

      Kind of like West Virginia. It takes more than a few wins to build a history of being a dominant program. BOOM!

  • Daryl says:

    Great story on Lampkin. Either way it sounds like Texas screwed this thing up for him. How could you not do your homework and make sure that this guy was in a legitimate position to be able to enroll in your school. But wither way it says a lot that he tried to get through those courses. I hope he can still get out of austin and end up in Norman.

    • Indy_sooner says:

      Texsa is tripping. They genuinely expected him to take 3 classes in 150 days (some at his own pace) and then make him look like the bad guy for putting his contingency plan in. It’s like they want him going JUCO.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        3 classes in 150 days from a guy who apparently had already attempted the classes with a tutor. Not sure what they were expecting.

        • Doobie74OU says:

          I know you have been keeping up with this Lampkin story pretty well Mr. Edwards. Can Lampkin simply just wait to be denied entrance into Texas and then move on. If he makes it clear to Texas that he will not be taking the 2 remaining Spanish Courses he needs is there any reason they would deny his request except to screw him? It seems like that could be used in a huge way as a negative recruiting tactic if it is proved that Texas was just trying to be jerks.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Here are the things that could happen as I understand it:

            1) They don’t admit him. In that case the NLI becomes null and void and he can go where he wants without penalty. The problem is that it really doesn’t happen until the semester starts. At that point it may be too late for him to find any spot other than JUCO.

            2) He asks for and they grant a release from the NLI. Apparently he has asked but they have not granted it yet. I can see them not wanting to do this since he still has time to become eligible. It also sets a bad precedent that allows recruits to get out of their NLI simply by purposefully not fulfilling some requirement.

            3) The grant him admission without the classes. From what has been said, I gather that this would require them to get a waiver of some kind from the NCAA. Probably because it is an option not normally available to regular students.

            Not sure it makes them look bad, if they refuse the release, since he still walks if doesn’t qualify for admission. After all he is the one that didn’t meet his obligations. But as OU fans anything they do will make them look bad to us.

          • Doobie74OU says:

            Yeah it doesn’t seem like it is going to play out very well for anyone involved. Lampkin gets labeled as somebody who couldn’t qualify or meet requirements (he will be labeled stupid by many which is inaccurate) Texas will either deny him which seems to make them look callus because by there own admission it takes 6-8 weeks to complete each class which is 3 1/2 or 4 months which if he started today would be till October well into the season. Many will label Texas as uncaring, ruthless, and cold (which they may be but not necessarily in this instance since he should have known the requirements and the difficulty he had already had in meeting them)! If Texas waves the admission standards they will get torn apart for breaking their own rules just cause the kid can play ball. The only winner in this thing could be the new school he choose to go to if not Texas!

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Good summary.

          • Indy_sooner says:

            Just goes to show you how quickly people can jump into conclusions. Kid is not an idiot, and even if he struggles in class, he is trying to make it through. Should have listened to his momma when he had the chance.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Yeah, I suspect he has a learning disability. I have known some very bright people who had trouble with one aspect of learning. Didn’t make them stupid, they just had to learn to work around it.

          • Indy_sooner says:

            I thought Texsa has till Sat (Friday?) to respond and then there is a month or so for the appeal to go in. The question is on what grounds Texsa will deny the appeal on. #3 is unlikely to happen.

            Also, classes start in August, so one would think he has some time to resolve this mess…. But for his sake, it’s best that he stay out of the media. My gut is that Strong et al. are probably going to push him the JUCO route to try and save face on the dismal DT class.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Given his upset with them over the DL coach promising he would be there, I doubt if goes the JUCO route, he still goes to Texas.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            I am not sure I answer your question directly in my first response. Yes he can just simply wait until they deny him entrance. Two problems with that strategy. One that doesn’t become official until the first week of classes which may make it too late for him to go anywhere else. The could waive the foreign language requirement and admit him anyway.

            As for denying his request. He still has time to complete the course (in theory), so denying it at this point doesn’t seem unreasonable especially since he still gets out if he doesn’t finish the courses.

    • PCSooner says:

      So if this plays out until classes at tu begin – do we know when they start classes? Would he then be able to enroll at some other school that hadn’t started school yet? He’d be behind the curve for his freshman season – but would he feel like redshirting at OU would be better than going to a JUCO for a season? And if he had to go JUCO – what would his ability be to transfer to a D-I school next year?

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Has there been anything new on Caleb Kelly. I heard some rumor that Michigan is leading for him right now .

    • Doobie74OU says:

      IN the comments yesterday it was said that the statement was true but that he still really likes OU and as long as we have Chip Vinney we will be a real player for him till the end!

      • kokevo says:

        I think the guys at rivals are trying to make something out of nothing. I seen a post that said ou wasn’t in his top 3 and heard on the radio that Michigan was in the lead. Hopefully none of this is true.

    • Mr. Jones says:

      Michigan writers think they are in the lead right now. Said his last visit went really well. We heard the same thing after his last visit here so who really knows.

  • Steve Cooke says:

    Take it for what it’s worth but OUInsider is now saying Draper was definitely offered last night.

  • Jed says:

    FSU has thrown down the gauntlet by offering a 14 year old who may be in the class of 2019. Dammit! Where are our lazy coaches?!?! Why don’t they have the courage to just pull the trigger? I say lets see if there are any Selmon women of child bearing years and get out of ahead of things and OFFER PRE-CONCEPTION!
    Yeah, that’s the ticket!

  • blaster1371 says:

    Instead of working on their international brand Baylor should instead try to schedule a top 50 non-conference team to play somewhere in the U.S.

  • KJ1123 says:

    Interesting about Lampkin. I thought OU had a language requirement but you only needed two years instead of three. Just by reading that article Lampkin doesn’t even have two? I’m sure it’ll get sorted out somehow.

    • Eric Hoffpauir says:

      OU doesn’t have any foreign language requirement for admissions. Foreign languages can be counted along with other courses like computer science or extra history classes for the minimum requirements for admissions.

  • Fear The Magic says:

    I have no idea how official this is but according to ESPN Levi does have an OU offer.

    http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/210585/levi-draper

  • DCinAZ says:

    What are everybody’s thoughts on the Dallas news projected starters above?
    Farniok at RT? (He’ll be in rotation but starter?}
    Durron Neal starts? (I think he gets beat out in fall camp)

    • KJ1123 says:

      I’m not sure about Neal, but Farniok won’t be a “full time” starter. He may start a couple games out of necessity.

    • JB says:

      Yeah…I see both farniok and Neal as backups with Farniok being a greater contributor than Neal unless Neal suddenly develops sticky hands.

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    BTW….I like the additions at the top. Looks like you guys are growing.

  • SoonerOracle737 says:

    Draper just said on radio interview that OU will formally offer him on September 1st. FWIW

  • Jason says:

    I was about to say, Hale said on Twitter that Draper was an OU offer, but Jordan said yesterday he clearly has not been offered. I wonder what the significance of September 1st is all about? If he is good enough, offer now! He could be recruiting other 2017 recruits to join him if he ends up committing to OU!

    • SoonerOracle737 says:

      Draper said Coach Mike said OU likes to take it slow. Draper’s words on what Mike told him. Let message board firestorm ensue…

      • SoonerOracle737 says:

        Draper closed off the interview saying he doesn’t consider the OU offer “official” until he receives the offer letter. But it sounded like all the other schools did the same thing. I think there are rules in place as to when players can get written official offers? Maybe that is the reason for Sept 1st?

        • Jordan Esco says:

          What was funny to me was listening to this person try and explain to the prospect how they (the prospect) was wrong, that they (the prospect) did in fact have an offer as though they (this person) would know more than the actual prospect.

          That was laughable.

          Thought Draper was incredibly well-spoken and handled the situation perfectly. Humble kid who by all accounts is just trying to do things the right way, IMO.

          • SoonerOracle737 says:

            Yeah, it was a little painful to listen to JH in CYA mode. I like that Draper said anything could happen, so he doesn’t consider an offer official until paper is in hand. I like that attitude.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Agreed. I thought the kid handled it great. Exact type of attitude he should have, IMO.

      • DCinAZ says:

        I think their “take it slow” approach is part of their recruiting problems to be honest. Seems more to me like they mess around, take their sweet time, and then make a furious push at the end.

        • JB says:

          Ditto…we’ve blown it with several recruits (including last season) by slow-playing them. Yes, our coaches need to do their research and check player backgrounds, etc. But it does NOT take as long as they are taking. If FSU & Bama see the value of this player, it should be obvious that our coaches should see that by now too, especially given his proximity.

      • Clint Lenard says:

        He’s a lover not a fighter.

    • Jeremy Phillips says:

      r.e. September 1st… My guess is that coincides with Draper beginning his Junior year of high school.. & formal written offers can’t be made before then…? Total guess though..

      • Jordan Esco says:

        Maybe, who knows w/ all these stupid NCAA rules. But why do they have to wait until they can formally offer? When they, and every single other school in the country, routinely offer kids verbally? Kind of like how OU has already offered several other 2017 LBs w/ doing so w/ a formal letter.

        It’s just spin, IMO. They want to take more time to evaluate him, seems that simple to me.

        Not saying I agree w/ it necessarily, but for whatever reasons they apparently feel they need the time to do so. Regardless if the kid is almost assuredly going to be one of the top players in your own state and, in the minds of some, arguably expected to be one of the top 2017 LBs in the country who reportedly holds a committable offer from Alabama.

        But I’m just rambling. And, frankly, I’m not sure I could be more over this whole situation. I think the kid is very talented and, sure, I’d love to see OU get any and all talented players they can get, especially when it’s a local kid. But I’m not going to get all bent out of shape over whether an offer does or does not eventually come.

        But that’s just me 🙂

        • Jeremy Phillips says:

          I agree.. We had some early offers the last 2 classes.. That committed early… & signed elsewhere… Whether he gets an offer today, tomorrow or Sept. 1st is mute… Where they sign is all that matters in the recruiting world anyway.. Well, unless you’re Texas & Duvonte Lampkin.. but that’s a whole other conversation…

  • DCinAZ says:

    Levi Draper ‏@Ldraper_10 3m3 minutes ago
    Blessed to have received an offer from Oklahoma! #boomer #sooner

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Levi Draper ‏@Ldraper_10 3m3 minutes ago
      Blessed to have received an offer from Oklahoma! Currently tearing up offers from Alabama and FSU #boomer #sooner

      FIFY

    • Bob Edwards says:

      OK 2-3 days of complaining about how long it took and we can move on to discussing who is lifting the most weight. YAY!

    • SoonerOracle737 says:

      Some coach must have listened to his radio interview and made sure he knew he had secured an offer. Bob must have called. 🙂

  • j l says:

    How are we a 3 point dog to both tennessee and tcu(yes i understand the tenn game is away, played in norman it would be a pick em game)?

    Tennessee has a ton of highly rated recruits, but not the results yet.

    We should either be a much bigger underdog to TCU, or we should be favored over the vols. Tennessee does not deserve the same spread as the frogs.

    • DCinAZ says:

      Tennessee is returning 21 starters from last year. I’m surprised we’re only a 3 point dog.

      • j l says:

        Returning 21 starters from a 7-6 team, that was 0-5 against ranked teams.

        Tennessee is starting in the 20’s, TCU is starting top 5, but both have 3 point spreads on us.

        Vols are getting WAY too much credit.

        • Defend Colfax says:

          Good.

        • DCinAZ says:

          Right. We’re returning even less players from an 8-5 team that didn’t beat a single ranked team either and finished poorly, with a new Oline, no QB, 1 proven WR, and a Defense that can’t stop anybody.

          • j l says:

            You seem to be missing the point.

            If both TCU and tennessee are 3 point favorites over us, why is there such a huge discrepancy between them in the polls?

            Point spreads are supposed to represent the power rankings of each team, approximately.

          • DCinAZ says:

            I think you have to take everything into consideration. Considering everything I already listed, we play Tennessee in our second game of the year, at Tenn., with a bunch of unproven talent against a veteran team across the board.
            We play a veteran TCU at home, on Nov 21st, in our second to last game of the season with an OU team that will be different later in the year than it was earlier in the season.
            Also, either of those lines can and probably will move.

          • j l says:

            you call them a veteran team, but for the most part its all guys with 1 year of college experience.

            There isnt a single position i can think of, where we will start a guy with less than 1 year experience(maybe 1 tackle spot if frison or brown wins it)

            id be willing to bet we have more total returning starts than they do.

            Quite frankly, i believe its to OUR advantage to play them early in the season, before some of their guys start to develop more.

            None of their highly rated guys have more than 1 year experience. I could see them being really good in 2016.

          • EasTex says:

            If you haven’t seen this, this is really-really funny stuff.
            The top ten dumbest fan bases in America…Vols at #10.
            http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/the-ten-dumbest-fan-bases-in-america-10-the-university-of-tennessee-061115

            The only thing that keeps Tennessee hanging
            on the fringe of the top ten dumbest fan base
            list — as opposed to surging towards the top — is
            the fact that Tennessee has pro sports teams
            now. So the Tennessee Titans and the Memphis
            Grizzlies snap off a few of the dumbest fans from
            the Tennessee fan base tree.
            (The Nashville Predators don’t take any of
            these dumbest fans because they don’t
            have any fans).

          • DCinAZ says:

            We’ll be starting a CB with less than 1 year experience. Maybe both safeties, but at least 1 for sure. Neither of our OTs will have a full season experience as a starter along with an OG. Experience at the QB for us doesn’t mean anything really due to the low level of play.
            Only starter on the Dline with a full year experience starting will be Tapper.

          • j l says:

            im not saying a full year experience starting, im saying a full year of experience period.

            All those spots have experience, most of them at least have some starts under their belt.

            The ones that dont will be filled by jucos.

            Tapper, striker and sanchez, have what, almost 100 starts between them?

          • DCinAZ says:

            Somewhere around there, but a year of experience standing on the sidelines isn’t experience IMO. I think we should hope that Tennessee doesn’t have a good QB.

          • j l says:

            ya i wouldnt count someone sitting on the sidelines as experience. I do could rotational guys like walker as having experience, even though he didnt start.

            Unfortunately, josh dobbs is pretty damn good. We gotta contain him.

          • Dustin says:

            Point spreads serve one purpose and one purpose only: To get people to bet money at the sports book. That’s it. That’s all. Ever wonder why spreads change? It’s not because one team got worse or one got better. It’s because too much money is being wagered on one side or the other.

          • j l says:

            I understand fully well, i do a decent amount of betting.

            What im saying, is that those are not even bets. TCU +3 is the FAR better bet. They should be more like +6.5-8. Probably will end up closer to that as money starts coming in.