Sooners News Daily 11.18.15
Posted on: November 18, 2015
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WATCH: @OU_Football's defense preparing for TCU's best. Tuesday practice report ➡️ https://t.co/3S1HEALt5X pic.twitter.com/oj29n6wRSQ
— Sooner Sports TV (@SoonerSportsTV) November 18, 2015
Many exciting moments again Saturday. #CallsOfTheWeek Hear more here ➡️ https://t.co/uG7GOUd1IW https://t.co/6lGC69trB3
— Sooner Sports TV (@SoonerSportsTV) November 17, 2015
.@CoachKerryCooks is now the mentor, striving to be more than just a coach. WATCH ➡️ https://t.co/tWmg80C2J7 pic.twitter.com/AQYZvnI82k
— Oklahoma Football (@OU_Football) November 17, 2015
Baker Mayfield up to No. 2 in the ESPN Heisman Watch: https://t.co/xwbadFrhIt
— Jake Trotter (@Jake_Trotter) November 17, 2015
#Sooners quarterback Baker Mayfield named Burlsworth Trophy Semifinalist as top college player who began his career as a walk-on
— Ryan Aber (@ryaber) November 17, 2015
The #Sooners @sterl_shep3 is a semifinalist for the Biletnikoff award. Fans get a voice in the vote. Link: https://t.co/ZjVV2d613a
— Kenny Mossman (@Kenny_Mossman) November 17, 2015
.@OU_Football DE Charles Tapper (@takeflightchuck) has accepted an invitation to the 2016 Reese’s Senior Bowl. pic.twitter.com/MIwqMp6XAk
— Reese's Senior Bowl (@seniorbowl) November 17, 2015
View full #CFP25 for games played through November 14: https://t.co/7JieHQs09Z pic.twitter.com/08OOFd2w3C
— CFBPlayoff (@CFBPlayoff) November 18, 2015
Oklahoma's No. 7 ranking puts in good shape to reach the final four. Not so much, other 1-loss Big 12 teams. https://t.co/uDp7RF5G1Z
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) November 18, 2015
So OU gets knocked for losing but ND and Bama don't? Oklahoma State has a much better win than Ohio State or Iowa
— Joel Klatt (@joelklatt) November 18, 2015
Vegas says #7 Oklahoma favored … -3 over #4 Notre Dame -6 over #5 Iowa -2.5 over #6 Oklahoma St
— RJ Bell (@RJinVegas) November 18, 2015
Jeff Long says Big 12 teams impacted by “backloaded” schedule” yet Ohio State is only team in Top 15 that hasn’t faced a current Top 25 team
— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) November 18, 2015
The only criteria that has remained constant for this committee is you better not play in the Big 12
— Joel Klatt (@joelklatt) November 18, 2015
Notre Dame or the Big 12? @YahooForde sees a potential debate brewing around the College Football Playoff. https://t.co/xBYxI9ZsoU
— Yahoo Sports (@YahooSports) November 18, 2015
Take Two: Most important player in Big 12 title race? https://t.co/DXOPvgA6Qd
— ESPN Big 12 (@ESPN_Big12) November 17, 2015
On the Big 12's disappearing middle class: https://t.co/Grn36Bb67w #Ubben2016
— David Ubben (@davidubben) November 17, 2015
We've reported UM people are under impression Texas coach Strong interested in UM job.Fox's Feldman now reporting Strong indeed interested.
— Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz) November 17, 2015
.@RabalaisAdv: 'Strong indications' Les Miles coaching for job vs. Ole Miss, Texas A&M. https://t.co/aUf6poDBCi #LSU pic.twitter.com/bzQ0TXEEpG
— The Advocate Sports (@AdvocateSports) November 18, 2015
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Sooners scrap to season-opening victory at Memphis! Recap, highlights, quotes, notes here >> https://t.co/3tm87Whwcl pic.twitter.com/duyvY0inuC
— Oklahoma Basketball (@OU_MBBall) November 18, 2015
Highlights: No. 8 @OU_MBBall 84, Memphis 78: https://t.co/hh6i8Vu5l7 Full game re-airs at midnight on @FoxSportsOK pic.twitter.com/abQYBHiXJF
— Sooner Sports TV (@SoonerSportsTV) November 18, 2015
Wrote about Buddy Hield’s improved game off the dribble in Oklahoma’s win over Memphis: https://t.co/8TDWW1cYaY pic.twitter.com/VKw3FDn9IC
— Sam Vecenie (@Sam_Vecenie) November 18, 2015
Sooners edge out Memphis 84-78 https://t.co/kVHHfPBMts pic.twitter.com/ecTRLFk0UJ
— CA Sports (@memphissports) November 18, 2015
#Big12MBB: Seven student-athletes named to the Wooden Award watch list. https://t.co/7fws1oBDTu
— Big 12 Conference (@Big12Conference) November 17, 2015
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— Oklahoma Volleyball (@OU_Volleyball) November 17, 2015
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Boomer Sooner! Beat TCU!
The committee’s disdain for the Big 12 is quite absurd. The end.
Found this picture on twitter yesterday. Put it together as a table. Baker’s got some pretty darn great stats, and absolutely deserves to be in the Heisman talk. Enjoy! BOOMER!!!!
If OU wins out and makes Final 4, and Bama loses, I think Mayfield has an excellent chance if he keeps producing like he has.
I just wish people would quite comparing Baker to past Heisman winners. Baker isn’t competing against them, he is competing against current players. Compare his stats to those playing the game today. The results are the same (Baker is definitely in the top 3 right now), but it’s actually a valid argument.
Theres no other QB really in the race though, hes up against henry from bama and zeke from OSU.
Hard to compare QB and RB stats,
I don’t really get too worked up over the rankings this early, however Jeff Long saying the committee believes that Iowa is a better football team than OU or OsU is a real head scratcher. No question Barry Alvarez and Tom Osborne are having a lot of input in those meetings.
Jeff Long really shouldn’t open his mouth. Nothing he says makes any sense at all.
Long on talk, short on sense.
The committee keeps citing Iowa’s balance as opposed to being flashy. OU having a higher ranked offense and defense is obviously irrelevant.
Iowa has played such a tough schedule, so has tOSU.
Yes, and in a conference that known to put up points. That would stick out like a green thumb to me.
Iowa is not the arguement here. They still have to play tOSU if they win out their division. Bama and Notre Dame on the other hand… I don’t get. At least them being ranked ahead of 2 unbeaten teams
I think there is actually multiple arguments all pointing to the committee’s inconsistency in how they evaluate teams (one of them being the original point which is the absurdity of Long saying Iowa is better than OU and OSU)…. I actually think ND has a better case on paper than Bama, but Bama obviously destroys ND in the eye test.
You are missing the point. The way the Committee talks about the Big 12 is bad for us (OU and the conference) both this year and in future years. We all get that Ohio State and Iowa have to play each other. That’s not the issue. The issue is their constant lack of respect for Big 12 teams. Jeff Long saying Iowa is a “better, more complete team” than either OU or OSU is laughable.
No, I got the point just fine. I am well aware of the doucheyness of Long and his approach. My opinion is that our B12 comish is a bigger douchebag for not calling these guys out on the BS and leaving us in this SAME position for the SECOND year in a row. Why isn’t he being called out?
Now, I might be the lone dissenter, but if OU wins out and looks good doing it, we are in. We are the exception to the rule in that “Oklahoma” actually holds value and happen to have played a much better schedule than Notre Dame
I agree with all the different points here, I will add one more. The OOC schedules of some of our conference members is always weak (Baylor, TT, etc.) OUr OOC schedules are made sometimes 10 years in advance, and try to include 1 marquee game, hopefully with a top team historically. I think as a conference we are being punished for our unwillingness as a conference to choose tougher schedules. I know arguments can be made of other conferences having weak OOC schedules, but we are held to a diffent standard based solely on the fact we don’t have a championship game. I would like to see a conference rule that members must have all D1 OOC schedule, or go to a division based championship game, forcing the committee to be less hypocritical in their judgements.
Gotta agree with you. The best team they’ve beaten is Northwestern… ok.
Also, if we look at same team results, we stomped on Iowa State. They did not.
Which will also be used against us for Texas in regards to Notre Dame. It’s pretty difficult to go down that road but they at least need to consider the state of the teams at the time and watch the games. So many people keep saying, OU got smashed by Texas. Really? 7 points? When Texas played Notre Dame it was on the road and the first game of the season with a freshman QB. When we played them in the cotton bowl not only is it a big rivalry game, but Strong was coaching for his life at texas and that team knew it.
Agreed on all points. Also, if comparing us to Notre dame, they have a “better loss.” no question there. I would have to say though that we have several wins better than any they have. And the committee has shown, specifically with Bama, that they value good wins more than they discount for bad losses.
Chuck longs communication is seriously detrimental to the integrity of the committee’s decision making.
Transparency.
Open voter record.
Every voter needs to speak about his/her vote 1-10.
You are right, and who on the committee would buck their input.
Better than OU of OSU… hmm
Just imagine how OU’s SOS would be if KU, KSU, and ISU were half decent teams!
Another thing hurting us is this: Tech and WVU aren’t bad teams. They just lost to all 4 top Big 12 contenders, making them look weaker than they are
The backloaded schedule absolutely killed the second tier teams in this conference.
Big fall for TCU we need Osu to beat Baylor
If Baylor smokes LosuR then that makes our win at Baylor that much better…I’d rather LosuR get beat to shut their fans up.
No I want Bedlam to be huge, I got ticks. 😉
be careful, don’t get hit with a water bottle or tripped by a cheerleader and bring your rape whistle.
Don’t have enough fur to worry about being raped. 🙂
I agree. . . now. A couple of weeks ago I was for OU being the first to beat BU and TCU (if they beat OSU). But, now that that didn’t happen, I (sadly) want OSU to beat BU so that we can pin the first loss on them, a highly ranked team, that last week of the season. Or else, they’ll be ranked around about where TCU is this week (or lower the way Big 12 teams are disrespected).
Nice little article on former Sooner Geneo Grissom. I take interest in him because my daughter went to school with him from 7th grade on. She always talked about him to me about how nice he was to everyone and how he did not act like a jock that had so much talent.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2015/11/geneo_grissoms_star_shined_from_start
thanks for this. I also like to hear about good guys succeeding.
Shepard leading by a good margin and rightfully so.
The bias is strong with this committee. Their reasoning doesn’t make any sense. They say they looked at one thing for one team but that doesn’t matter for this team. Just dumb.
The committee and ESPN loves to use transitive logic against OU… so here it is right back at them:
TTU beat Arky who beat LSU who is ranked ahead of 1 loss TCU who beat TTU.
It will all work itself out.
Iowa, Clemson, and Ohio St are all going to lose before the final rankings.
Book it
ESPN doesn’t use logic or even common sense. They have an agenda. That alone defines their thinking: push the SEC!
no kidding…………
Good stuff….but 24 is not less than 14.
It wasn’t worded too great but he meant that we held UT to similar as well as less points than the two SEC teams shown in that graphic.
Yeah I blew it with the way it was worded
Your graphic was great. Please tell me your method for piecing together such concise visuals.
Just screen capture on my mac, collage with pixlr, edit with photoshop
And here I thought the committee might come to its senses this week. WAIT !! It acted the same way last year! smdh Just win out is all the team can do. I’ll enjoy the ride.
Found this on twitter last night. Pretty sweet.
That is sweet. Awesome graphic when you enlarge it. Thanx!
Vote Sterling for Biletnikoff here folks. OUr dude more than deserves this one
http://biletnikoffaward.com/fan-vote
All of the Twitter posts from the media, which are posted above, are things that should be asked of Long. Don’t let them off the hook. Long has successfully shifted the national conversation to teams ranked 4-7. He has not, does not, will not explain the committee’s decision for teams 1-3.
In the past I’ve liked what Pollack has to say. But to say that OU’s win over Baylor was because they’ve lost their starting QB was reaching. It took Galloway to bring balance to that argument.
I think Galloway is the only member of that panel who is disgusted with the committee.
I feel like Pollack has always held a grudge against OU. The thing that drives me crazy is that he predicted Baylor would beat OU on Saturday and that Baylor would be fine with Stidtham at QB. Then all of a sudden we whip Baylor and now, all of a sudden, Pollack argues that OU got lucky because they played against a backup QB. It’s ridiculous.
I was thinking the same thing. Do these guys not remember what they said or maybe they just don’t care?
I remember how emotional he got closing in on the Sugar Bowl as he predicted Bama was going to show Stoops what the SEC is all about and yada yada. He is a very biased member and is a hard watch when talking about my Sooners. When calling games or talking about other teams I can respect he has a great eye for the game. But seems a little immature.
He is muted. The guy has no credibility after speaking.
Pollack’s a jerk. I’ve never liked him.
He’s like, what, 30 years old? Played football at Georgia, I mean, really, what does the guy know? He’s just another biased, SEC homer.
I love this m bball team. they had a bad game yesterday with turn overs and silly mistakes but still found a way to win in a tough environment. And it was the first game of the season for them. anyone who knows me knows I’m not a “silver lining” guy and more of a realist, but just being real, this team has a ton of potential. Add Manyang to the mix and they’ll only be better. Fans need to fill the LNC to support these guys. several big games coming up!
Don’t forget the terrible refs.
oh I know, it was awful. I think they’ll need time to adjust as well though, new rules, new emphasis on fouls etc… but there was some home cooking, especially in that first half.
Baker is 2nd in the poll vote for the http://burlsworthtrophy.com/
He’s about 10 votes back. “Can vote once per day”
When you have a minute give him your vote.
Done!
Says he is 6 votes ahead.
OKC Thunder (Monday) and Memphis University (Tuesday) lost on consecutive days, and I think both losing teams are going to show themselves to be pretty good as the year goes on.
Sterling is holding strong with as 15% lead.
http://biletnikoffaward.com/fan-vote
Give him your vote as well.
Done! Boomer!
Sooner!!
This is hilarious. JR announcing wrestling put to the Sooners defense against Baylor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN4tO3uFn80&feature=youtu.be
Funny, I was at the game and I believe (I may be wrong) that JR was on our sideline.
Permanent fixture.
He always is. I can’t remember not seeing him on the sideline the last 4-5 years.
Saw him on the TV standing behind coach with a raincap on his cowboy hat.
Yeah raincap on the cowboy hat was very strong
Tagged for permanent recall.
“Incoming! Incoming! Incoming!”
That Buddy Hield guy is kinda good at basketball.
even though he had 30 pts, he had a lot of mistakes in this game. Goes to show what he can do when he shakes the rust off.
Yes, he was playing out of control late in the game and we are lucky to have won it in spite of his many mistakes. I know several old-school coaches who would have benched him if he played like that late in the game. Hopefully, he will learn before conference play starts.
Yeah, for the first game I expected a lot of turnovers. Not quite as many as we saw but still they managed to win on the road in their opener. Which is no easy task, plus I bet we see Memphis make the tourney, they have some good players and shoot the ball pretty well.
What is frustrating about the committee is they have no problem holding the big 12 to a higher standard, the big 12 teams have to check more boxes.
When they say “we think Ohio state isn’t playing their best” yet you have them ranked 3rd is just flat out stupid. Meanwhile they’re treating tcu’s win over Kansas as a loss. How in the world are the resumes of the 5 teams right ahead of tcu, better than tcu? Is it because the committee thinks tcu is about to lose because their qb is injured?
And conference champion is a criteria. Force ND to join a conference or be left out each year.
there is a loophole, not sure of exact verbiage but they can pick a team that isn’t a conference champ if they are clearly one of the 4 best teams.
Example, 2008 wouldve been OU vs Texas and Alabama vs Florida
Yeah, every year the conversation comes up. ND must chose which they want more, their TV contract or joining a Power 5 conference so they can play for the NC.
Sam, my dad died a few years ago at 93, he was a WWII vet. He came back to Oklahoma after the war and was an avid OU fan. He and mom would get in the model A, and drive from Maud to Norman on Saturday to the games. His biggest complaint is that “EVERYONE gives ND the edge and benefit of the doubt, no matter what. If the game is very close, they will win on a decision, if two teams are ranked very closely, ND will come out on top.” Seems his complaint is still being echoed.
It is simply raging hypocrisy on from the committee to reward an independent and punish the big 12 for no CC game.
Teams need to boycott playing ND until they join a conference.
ND played a different Texas team. Texas had a different play caller and QB. Also ND had a different QB as well. B12 is the best conference in the country but the committee is too stupid and have no logic in their rankings. Iowa is better than both the Oklahoma schools is a joke.
I believe the committee simply ranks teams where they want them to be based soley on personal opinion and then looks for various arguments to explain the rankings. Statistics, just like words in a sentence, can be arranged to say many different things.
Hopefully the next two weeks will shake things out and force the committee to choose based on SOS. But with the “eye test” in play, I doubt it. Right now we still have the #1 SOS in the games remaining.
Sooners have to win and look in control doing so. They’re metric of road wins being important OU will have them at Baylor, OSU, and Tennessee. Then at home at TCU plus WVU could/should finish 8-4 looking at their schedule which is another solid win.
The Big 12 should boycott playing ND until they join a conference.
Nice thought, but there is too much money involved in being on the ND schedule to boycott.
Plenty of other teams the Big 12 could play for that money though. It’s an unfair advantage to them. NCAA should make every independent join up with a conference. That, or hold it against them.
I’m in total agreement with you, I just don’t ever see that as a reality. ND has just too much pull.
Might actually work, since we have been almost a guaranteed win for them when ever we’ve played the last 65 years.
I want Joel Klatt to be the next Big 12 Commissioner.
I’ve never forgotten his name since he took an ass whipping against our D but still provided a win for Colorado.
Make him the next committee chairman.
I don’t know about commissioner.
Give him his own Radio Show and have it funded through Big12.
Have him lobby and politic for the big 12.
Klatt works for fox, who holds the big 12’s TV contract.
He basically already has what you are suggesting.
https://twitter.com/GotBoz44/status/665959244584194048
Hey what happened with the “commitment” from the RB this week? Legit?
https://twitter.com/Keshawn_21/status/666664139515785216
Weird….
Weird, but not unprecedented. Was much discussion about it yesterday. Seems trolls have done this before to unsuspecting recruits posing as recruiters, would be totally devastating to a recruit. No proof this is what happened, but might be the case.
This was his last tweet.
https://twitter.com/Keshawn_21/status/666666244553048065
So we gotta jump iowa and nd provided we win out geeezzzzzzzzzz
Iowa will likely lose to tOSU or MSU in the B1G CG, it’s all about ND
Or Michigan. If tOSU beats MSU and Michigan beats tOSU they play for the Big10 championship. Given they have an OOC loss, that’s the one I am hoping for.
Nice, I hadn’t looked at that
Well@#$%^^%$# Texsa and ND
Texas losing badly to ND and beating OU is the only real worry I have
You misspelled @#$%^^%$#. (In before Dustin)
lmao
Not Iowa because if they win out, that means they’ll have beat Ohio st, which would knock them out and vice versa. We take care of our business and if ND does the same, then yes, it would come down to us and them. The committee supposedly wouldn’t leave out a power 5 conference champ, which we would be. Also, they look at common opponents, which texas kills us. So, who knows? That’s what makes this so fun to debate.
Iowa/Ohio St will take care of itself. The ND thing is worrisome.
The way I see it, we are basically sitting 5th right now.
Clemson – They are in unless they lose. If they lose, no other ACC team could jump OU.
Bama – They are in unless they lose. Hard to imagine the SEC not getting a team in, but I’m not sure a 2 loss SEC team would make it given the field today. That leaves only Florida as a potential one loss team at that point. So maybe for the SEC to not make it, Bama would have to lose to Auburn, and beat UF. Or maybe UF needs to lose to FSU, and beat Bama.
Ohio State – They are in unless they lose. If Iowa wins out, they are in. I don’t see the Big 10 getting a team in with one loss, at least, not at the expense of OU.
ND – Currently ahead of us, and I think it’ll be difficult to pass them in the Committee’s eyes, unless we really impress in both of our next two games, and ND sneaks away with some wins.
Assuming OU wins out, that is what is ahead of us. I can’t see anybody jumping ahead of us that isn’t currently there. So win out, and have one of the teams in front of us on this list lose, or win out and become more impressive to ND. Those are our two options. On one land, I’m not overly optimistic about our chances of passing ND b/c the Committee seems obsessed with them, but on the other, I think it will be difficult and somewhat unprecedented for all of those teams ahead of us to win out to finish the season.
So I”m just going to worry about OU, and hope it works out if we win out. If it doesn’t, I’ll be disappointed, I won’t think it’s particularly fair most likely, but I’ve always said, you lose (especially a bad loss), you put your Playoff hopes into the hands of others. You win them all, you won’t ever be left out.
Come on BC and Stanford!!!
A live look from Jeff Long’s house: (may have to refresh for the picture)
That’s funny!
The SEC rock he lives under?
Or the cave he lives in. Either one works for me.
It wouldn’t be hard at all to convert that into a tomb, just sayin’
I’ll help!
It’s a cave sponsored by the sec.
I don’t think the Big 12 is getting a team in the playoff without one of the top 4 losing again. I expect TCU to lose their last two games and they will be unranked by time the last rankings come out, so that won’t count as a win against a ranked opponent. They will put an 11-1 ND in over 11-1 OU because of the Texas game and I don’t even know if OK St. went undefeated they would put them in over ND just because of name recognition. I’m not even convinced OU would get in over Stanford at this point if they beat ND and win the Pac 12. Big 12 is receiving little to no respect from the committee.
I think an undefeated OSU team would jump ND. They’d have wins over Baylor and OU in back to back weeks to finish the season. They don’t even have to win those games in a “pretty” manner.
The only way that might not happen would be if maybe OU lost to TCU, and Baylor lost to Texas, something like that where the Big 12’s top teams would look worse than we think they are today. If you go thru the Big 12 without a loss, regardless of the strength of the OOC portion of your schedule, you should be in in front of a one loss ND. Big 12 would have to start down a path of having a Championship Game and possibly expansion if that is not the case.
OSU probably would if they win out, but with the lack of respect the committee has shown the Big 12 it wouldn’t shock me if they still left them out. Also, I’m expecting OSU to lose Thanksgiving weekend so I don’t think its going to matter. I just pray that ND loses, because I give it about 2% chance they would put 11-1 OU in over 11-1 ND
Yeah, if OSU goes undefeated they should go in. I just don’t see the committee putting in ND in the playoff when they have already lost to a team in the playoff. But then again it looks like common sense is lacking with the playoff committee.
The only problem is that if OSU got in it would be as a 3 or 4 seed and would probably get embarrassed by either Bama or Clemson ( OSU isnt that good ) and that would just reinforce the committee bias against the Big 12 in next years selections.
I wouldn’t say they would get embarrassed. If they beat tcu, baylor, and us, they can hang with anyone on the list.
Long said Iowa is better than OU and OSU. wow.
Most ridiculous thing I’ve heard all week. That is insane.
Even Galloway was like…huh???
They can just make it up as they go.
I watched a video of him talking about it on espn and it made me sick. That man is an absolute moron. About to make myself sick again by talking about osu. But how can the committee rank a 10-0 iowa that has played nobody better than osu who beat a top ten team that was a contender last year as well? The CFP committee is obviously anti-Big 12 and it is BS!
We all need to be Stanford fans these last couple weeks. They have the ability to remove ND from the picture, and thus, OU’s biggest obstacle (aside from winning out). Other teams in front will take care of each other.
https://theyoungersideofsports.wordpress.com/2015/11/18/thats-a-wrap/
Wrote a college football rap.
Herbie was totally biting his tongue, I wanted him to just go off.
Probably under ESPN orders to STFU.
Don’t know why though… ND isn’t an ESPN product. OU a least plays a few games on their network every year.
Fox and ESPN are in much more of a competition than ESPN and NBC are.
ESPN dosent want a Fox team in their playoffs.
He really believes a 1-loss OU should leap frog a 1 loss ND. I don’t think the committee will have that same opinion.
Serious question, If OU gets left out with a deserving case, does that cause OU to start looking at leaving the B12?
If the leadership for the Big-12 can’t get the issues with the system fixed, I say yes. After all we were promised we weren’t going to be a wallflower in all this.
If they dont, I’d like to see them split the conference (North, South) lure a couple schools back, get a B12 network, and have a championship game. Oh and I just asked my boss for a raise too……
While you were typing this? You just ruined it for everyone, KJ.
LOL!
What’s the team’s attitude like?
Typical Tues practice yesterday. Hard practice, some guys a little dinged, but they still have the blue collar work hard mentality going. I think the ranking and the disrespect is really going to fire some guys (if not the whole team) up for the rest of the week. This team plays pretty inspired when they feel like they are being disrespected.
Yepper. What I wanted to hear.
I am not holding my breath for that to happen. The Big 12 has some very poor leadership. I honestly believe that the conference will disband before they expand.
And if they can’t get it fixed, they have shown that they are poor leadership. We need to tell Texas to fish or cut bait. Either help us fix this or they can have it and we will go dominate the SEC West.
AMEN BOB!
Agreed, I think it’ll be time to move. Because OU would get rewarded next year for something they deserved this year. Which is wrong
OU will go to SEC/BIG10 whichever can let little bro tag along with us
Makes me think of last year in regards to a Big 12 team missing the playoff. Didn’t the Big 12 leadership state that that was an anomily and would never happen again?
Glad to see someone else remembers Pres. Boring statement. Still upsets me he played politics with our future while lying like a true politician.
I have felt that way for a while. OU plays the one of the toughest OOC schedule in the Big 12, and possibly the nation. Year in and year out. I believe that OU could win any conference in the nation. However, OU will not make a move without taking the shorthorns or the pukes. That was the reason they did not bolt for the sec a few years ago. The sec did not want OSWho. The Pac 12 was willing to take OSWho, but would not accept the shorthorn network. OU needs to do what is best for OU and quit worrying about little brother and the shorthorns!
Golf, you may find this interesting, https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/schedule-strength-by-other Look at the other teams who OU has beaten and their rank on this list
It is a bit interesting. And TTU plays a tougher schedule than Baylor. Go figure.
Those Bears can only get away with playing Waco Jr. High Girls teams so long, just sayin…
More serious question… Are the coordinated attacks from the media and the committee part of a larger effort to discredit the BIG XII with the goal being to hasten the demise of the league?
That was my thought from the beginning. I thought that was the reason the Big 12 was left out last year.
I have had this thought for awhile too
If the committee allows a big 12 team to the CFP.
Big 12 will never go back to 12 and add CCG
Thus, ending conference realignment.
But, If they don’t. Snub any big 12 team. Even an undefeated one.
Forces Big 12 to go to 12.. realingment
or OU to breakup the conference.
Unfortunately the majority of teams in Big12 DO NOT want to add teams. (Notably Baylor, TCU, Kansas, KST)
So it would go back to the hands of OU.. do we stay or do we go..
I believe OU goes bye-bye then.
The NCAA should understand this is about money. The Big XII should not add two teams, who bring no real value, to their conference just to get to 12 teams. The NCAA should understand the landscape of college football and grant the Big XII a waiver on hosting a championship game with 10 teams.
From what I understand the NCAA doesn’t control the CFP playoff committee.
All the conferences and ND commissioners elected for the playoff.
Then, they elected several officers to help the management committee (commissioners) to start the CFP Admin LLC.
The commissioners of each conference + ND elected mangers.. presidents of universities to become the Board in which runs the company.
Lastly, the management committee (commissioners) elected the members of playoff committee.
If the playoff committee elected by the 10 commissioners goes out of its way to purposefully snub a big 12 team. Its a message.
I’m speaking to allowing the Big XII to have a championship game with 10 teams.
Oh, absolutely. They should allow it.
Do you think a 10 team CCG would work?
It will always be a rematch. UGH
Agree. We already have a round-robin. A championship game is unnecessary. There are plenty of good prgrams out there that would be good fits for the Big 12, and they would prosper in our league.
Also agree. This year, the game would be between:
-OU wins out, OSU beats BU:
-Rematch of Bedlam . .. the week after Bedlam . . .
-OU wins out, , BU beats OSU and TCU:
-OU plays BU in a rematch
Nobody wants a rematch of those games. At all. It would be terrible.
I don’t know if it’s perfect, but it would work. I think you have to demand that all of the Big XII teams (Baylor) schedule P5 teams for OOC games. Imagine this: make sure that each of the teams in the Big XII is scheduling at least two teams from each P5 conference, each year: 2 SEC, 2 ACC, 2 B1G and 2 Pac 12 games each year. Make sure you rotate the teams so that everyone is not playing an OOC team from the same conference each year. Make sure that those games are scheduled against the top half of each conference; no bottom feeders. Heck, they could schedule one top tier team in one conference and a mediocre team in another conference. That OOC schedule, and playing all Big XII teams, plus a conference championship game would give you about 7 to 8 games you could potentially lose each year. That’s stepping up to the plate.
The best part about that scenario is you could actually clear the way for other Big XII teams by eliminating teams in other P5 conferences. If other OOC teams refuse to agree to a game, go public with it.
I like that idea. Stronger OOC from all the other teams would bolster resumes.
But this conference is dysfunctional. Getting all the teams to unify their efforts for a strong OOC schedule is a tough get.
I like that idea. Stronger OOC from all the other teams would bolster resumes.
But this conference is dysfunctional. Getting all the teams to unify their efforts for a strong OOC schedule is a tough get.
Either go or accept the fact we should have expanded when viable teams were available. I don’t want to expand if it means taking in the likes of smu, houston, Cincinnati, etc. We have lost some good teams already and replaced them with low market teams.
That’s exactly what is is. The committe wants 4 power conferences, not five, and the Big 12 has the fewest Top 30 TV markets. It’s expendable. But I refuse to accept the demise of our conference. It’s predominantly a Great Plains conference, and should remain so.
They have already looked to leave.
Win out and be snubbed by the CFP.
Big12 is already dead.
OU may speed it up.
We need to win out (of course) and Stanford to beat ND. ND has two big arguments to be ahead of OU; 1) their win over common opponent Texsa, 2) if they beat Stanford they will have beaten USC and Stanford, the two schools (most likely) playing in the Pac 12 championship game, so they could actually call themselves “Pac 12 Champs” and get away with it.
The only hope we would have, and something I feel the committee has been inconsistent on by not mentioning it yet this year, is that we may be playing better than anyone in the country. Last year, tOSU was ranked so highly with 1 loss because the committee said they were playing better than anyone else. Well, we may be also (if we win out) but I don’t hear the committee talking about that possibility, which seems inconsistent to me.
Except ND is a partial member of the ACC, not the PAC.
I think you missed my point.
Not remotely. I was just making the point that they play in multiple leagues and can’t cherry pick a game here and there to claim superiority over any of them.
Blowout the remaining two on our schedule.
Props to Joel Klatt for calling out the BS of the CFP committee. I think most of America is right there with him.
His point about the vagueness of the terminology, the convenient moving target of criteria to justify the decisions after the fact was exactly right.
What Ford said about Iowa being better is disconcerting. It was almost like an out for him/them in my opinion. If we win out big and ND loses and Iowa remains undefeated, we’re gonna get screwed.
We should be in in that case because Iowa would have beaten Ohio State and we would jump them.
Not entirely certain how that is possible. If Iowa goes undefeated . . . that means Ohio State will have lost (and Michigan State), ND will have lost, and we will have beaten OSU . . . that puts us at 4, does it not?
You would think because that would be the logical outcome. But after last night, logic seems in short supply….or at very least skewed.
Iowa getting blown out on NYE would provide another significant uncertainty regarding this commitee’s ability to conduct valuation of CFB.
This is Joel Klatt from two weeks ago, but very relevent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPhGK8Z3Ww
He hits the nail squarely on the head!
“Alabama is gonna be up there, no matter if they win or lose, because of their brand and because everyone is afraid of Nick Saban.” Wow, I don’t think Klatt could be any more correct about this statement! They need to put this man on the committee ASAP. Go get em Joel!
Saw this….
I love the fact that the ND/ Stanford game will be in Palo Alto but a horrible thought just hit me. If I recall correctly doesnt ND get to bring its refs to all away games? If thats the case Im conviced that those officials will NOT let ND lose that game. We all saw how OU got the shaft when they came to Norman a few years ago so can you imagine how bias the’d be in a situation where a win/loss would mean that much to the Irish?
So my question is, am I correct in assuming that they’ll get to use their own officials?
Entirely too much consternation. Just win out, then we can begin the hand-wringing.
I agree, I honestly am not upset about our ranking, I think we are in striking distance and we’re ranked fairly RIGHT NOW. But the logic behind the ranking of the top 7 is what gets me, ridiculous. Beat these two last teams soundly and let the cards fall where they may.
BEAT TCU! That’s all that matters this week!
I tend to agree with you KJ, on the fairly ranked part. I do think some of the other rankings on the list are biased.
This to me is the big problem. It’s how they are being determined. It appears that the criteria are completely arbitrary. As a coach, I would have no idea starting a season what is required of me to get in the playoffs. Some will say just win out, but there are three undefeated teams outside of the top four and two one-loss teams in the final four.
So what determines who is in? Well, it appears that you need to be a traditional offense east of the Mississippi based on the numbers Klatt showed. That’s kind of hard for a team like OK. What’s the chance of us getting the Mississippi River rerouted to the west of Norman? Whatever the criteria are they need to be fixed and spelled out so that everyone knows what they are and has an equal opportunity to meet them.
No more of this “eye test” nonsense. After all it has been said, “beauty is in the eye of the beholder.” So the eye test depends more on whose eyes than it does what they are looking at.
Exactly. The “eye test” has got to be the dumbest most subjective measurement of ranking there is.
Also the one that opens the door to bias’. How you value offensive and defensive play and not allow you to openly view the teams. There needs to be more games played between conferences- looking at the Baylors of the Big XII.
Im not buying the whole eye test thing. The only eye test Iowa would pass is a committee of three Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller.
The “eye test” is just a built in excuse for the committee to put in their SEC and BiG10 love children.
Exactly…there’s video evidence that the eye test is biased….
http://33.media.tumblr.com/8b4883413b7f8cc41aa24cae0e5adc09/tumblr_inline_mtk619lHZ61r77ath.gif
lol great movie!
true enough…………with 3 B1G members on the committee, they certainly can influence the votes……
It’s hard to pass the eye test when the BIG XII has exactly zero representation within the committee.
This whole thing is biased against the Big XII. Nobody cared that Oregon was scoring all of those points. Why? Is it because of Phil Knight’s ties to the program or that Oregon in in the Pac 12? The same can be said about Auburn a few years ago, when they had Cam Newton and Nick Marshall. They scored as many points as any team in the country but it was never said the SEC doesn’t play defense.
The best way to send a clear message is to not participate.
Unbuckle your pants, rip down your pants, and give them the biggest moon you can muster. Tell the committee to not include you in the circus and that you’d be perfectly content with being named the champion of the Big XII.
And if they should find you worthy of a top 4 spot, do not show up for the game. It’s a dog an pony show.
I do agree with KJ that our ranking is fair as of now, but that’s a solid point you’re making about Oregon. The only difference between Oregon and Baylor is that Oregon actually plays people in non-conference. But when it comes to the eye-test, they’re no different than Baylor – great O, susceptible D.
How OU is playing they could easily be in the top 4.
good points, well said.
THIS!
yea!
Yessir! Let’s just focus on TCU. One game at a time because, fellow Sooners, we have to win out to even worry about cfb committee, rankings or playoff spots. BEAT the Frogs!! Badly.
I hope the players are more focused than we are.
Ha! Man, so do I. Gotta just plan and practice for a really good (albeit scuffed up) TCU team that is fighting to stay alive just like we are. I truly believe we win in Norman the way we’re playing now as long as we don’t look ahead to all the “what if’s” and forget to take care of business Saturday. Go Sooners.
Exactly. I’m not even going to play the “what if” game. Win out and see what happens with everyone else. If it doesn’t work out to where we get in the final 4 with a 11-1 record, then beat texsa when we should and remove the questions everyone has. Also blame the Big 12-2 for not expanding to where we would have played the same number of games others play.
The only conference that plays more games than we do is the PAC, and even then it’s only the division champs. Every other conference plays at most 9, which is what every B12 team plays already.
The other teams that play a CCG play 1 more than us; right or wrong?
Are you talking conference games? The Pac plays 9 conference games and also has a championship game. The B12 plays 9 conference games, no champ game. The other Power 5 conferences play 8 conference games + champ game, which equals 9. So, the top 2 teams in the PAC play more conference games than we do, but that’s it.
Don’t the other conferences that play a conference CCG play a 12 game regular season before playing a CCG? making them playing 13 games to our 12? I’m asking because I don’t know the answer.
Yes, but many (most) of those teams in the championship games play cupcake ooc games. That’s why the number of conference games is important: each of those games is against a fellow power 5 (and thus, presumably good) team. So, while some other teams will play an additional game, they still don’t play more conference games than we do (outside Pac division champs).
I know some like and some don’t like to play the hypothetical game but here is what I would love to happen. TOSU loses this wk or next to a Mich team and Iowa loses to Nebraska/B10 Champ. This knocks out a B10 team. Final rankings would be 1) Clemson, 2) Bama, 3) ND, 4) OU. Rematch from last years bowl with Clemson. Other game has two powerhouses even though I still don’t think ND is that great. Then in the championship we get Bama which could possibly be 1 vs 2 in the Heisman race. Man that would be fun. Plus I know many of you agree but OU and Bama are playing as the two best teams right now.
Just. Win. Baby.
This is another thought but Long talking about OU and ND both played Texas and as a common opponet. But how does he feel about ND and Clemson both going to the playoff when they have already played each other and Clemson won? Reminds me of the LSU/Bama National Champship game when they already played each other. You have 4 valuable spots available yet, you are going to have a rematch when there are a plethora of other teams to chose from.?
Interesting point, and a good one, IMHO.
The top 4 should be the undefeateds… there’s no reason to punish a team for winning their games and reward others based on who they lost to or how they’re playing currently. After that, the one loss teams should be ranked according to strength of schedule… which I believe OU has the strongest of the one loss teams.
But Bama…….
Excellent point.
We already beat them 2 years ago… that’s still relevant right?
I disagree. if you play in a P5 conference that is down any particular year and schedule 3-4 cookie states for out-of-conf. foes, you do not deserve a top 4 ranking, period! Schools LIKE OU, USC, and ND typically have respectable schedules year in, year out.
So no Whaley??
Pretty sure Jeff said he wasn’t comin man. We need another 3 star scat back like SD says. Boomer!
The BCS relied on analytic overload, formulas, integers, algorithms. The playoff committee’s process feels more like the pre-BCS era that was too reliant on humans, which then led to the BCS process reliant upon analytic overload, formulas, integers, algorithms. Are we just repeating a failed process to determine a four-team playoff?
The BCS also included human polls. I had a real problem with a selection committee since the moment it was put out there. I’ve always felt it would be best to let the BCS select the top four. The BCS almost always got the top two right and it would be very difficult to argue the merits of a BCS number five belonging in the playoff.
Agree. In spite of the arguments along the way the BCS, which was only designed to pick the top two–the rest were “gravy,” got it right virtually every year. Even the one or two times it was controversial, you could make a legitimate argument in favor of the selection.
I seem to remember you and I and several others discussing this (maybe at the old stomping grounds) before it went into effect. From the beginning a number of us pointed out that this system with its committee had a high potential of being more arbitrary and subjective than the system we had. I would say our fears have been proven correct.
Yes we spoke of this in detail long before it happened. Further proof that you and I are a cut above. (-;
Let’s go to twenty four teams like FCS. If the lower money schools can do that why not the big boys? Then you can take all the conference champs and several at larges. Though I would be good with eight, P5 conference champs, best champ of the rest, and two at large.
They are already looking at an 8 team playoff, I like your plan better. More money for the schools/conferences/ND etc.
I know it’s an old argument, but I would hate to do anything to adversely affect the regular season.
No question the playoff should expand to more teams, eight would most likely appease everyone in the short term. Determining four teams is clearly going to be a major problem going forward.
Best, most feasible option. All P5s represented + at large and the sec can get 3 seats. /s
I suggested earlier all P5 champs, 2 non-P5 champs and one at large. 8-Teams how hard is that…let the teams and conference champions decide…The only choice then would be the best non P5 champs and an at large.
Leach (the mad pirate) has already discussed a 64 team playoff, the scheduling, money, everything. Highly unlikely, but entertaining.
Blow it all up! 64 team march madness style tourney. Depth and attrition is king!
I believe the Human element should be taken out of the decision completely.
The playoff teams should be selected by computers or my ex wife.
zing
Or a 25 team playoff….now we’re talking!!
I know there wouldn’t be any human element if my ex-wife made the selections. She’s the most un-human #$@%$ that ever inhabited the earth.
And it’s not coincidence I used the dollar sign twice.
Sign her up for the committee.
OP is up.
Not showing up on the home page but here is the link
https://thefootballbrainiacs.com/?p=18348
What I can’t stand is that when it comes to Bama they say they are playing better now since there lose. They don’t care who it was they lost to, just that they are now playing better. Why can it not be said the same for OU? Ohio State should be moved down to #8 and not just handed it because of what they did last year. This system is worse than what we have had…..
Anybody have a good link to current strength of schedule rankings?
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Thank you sir.
I really believe if we win we’re in. Something’s gonna give. If we manage to put the spank on the next two that’ll pretty it up and make it hard for them to keep us out. I feel like the big 10 is about to screw itself.
Irish will likely lose, so will Ohio State, and Iowa. So the road should be paved for a BIg 12 champ.
The apparently whimsical/political nature of the selection committee is exactly why computers were introduced to the process in the first place. It’s clear that the problem of personal or political bias is not just going to magically go away, no matter who is on the committee. Expanding the selection from 2 teams (BCS) to the current 4 gives them a bit more leeway, but just doesn’t solve the problem. I’d sure like to see the computers reenlisted, because they provide at least a bit of a rational check on the human element. Without that we’re back to the AP and Coaches poll arguments. All we’ve done is swap one set of biases for another.
Based upon what I saw last year, the week to week polls are meaningful only in the public perception sense of giving teams like Alabama more legitimacy. The longer a team stays near the top, the more viewers will tend to believe they deserve it. I am somewhat hopeful that there will be pressure, either perceived or real, on the committee not to exclude the Big 12 two years in a row, as long as there is a legitimate contender.
At this point we can concoct a million scenarios, but as we saw last year, the committee is capable of making a 180 degree turn at the last second, so there’s not much point in getting worked up about it, imho, until we win out. If (when) that happens, it’ll be time to make maximal noise.
The point by McMurphy is something I was discussing with a friend yesterday and it needs to be raised again and again.
Talking heads at ESPiN said the committee was letting the Big 12 sit outside the top 4 supposedly to wait until the best teams play each other at the end. This is complete crap. tOSU has played absolutely no one – not one ranked team – and have barely won many of those games. They struggled against NIU for crying out loud. The first team with a pulse on their schedule is this Saturday as they also back-loaded their schedule. They played teams like Hawaii and Western Michigan, yet they were put in the top 4 without hesitation from the beginning. I think it should be clear to everyone by now this committee is seriously lacking in integrity and objectivity.
While I agree with the substance of your argument, I also think that you should get some love for being the reigning natl champ. So I’m less sure why Iowa or Notre Dame are so beloved.
I disagree. I dont think what OSU did last year should get them any extra love. They got a national championship trophy for it. Thats all the love they deserve. That was last year this is this year.
Impossible to take teams as though they were invented fresh each August. Just like Microsoft or Apple get automatic cred for their products vs something from ‘Papa Joe’s Cool Units, Inc.’
Id agree with you if OSU were playing like the team did last year but so far they’ve not even come close to playing up to that standard.
If Apple started to put out a very average product you’d see more and more people buying Samsung.
The internet never fails to amaze me with its power to create dissension where none, really, exists.
OSU is overrated at this time. They are overrated at this time, in part because they started off the year highly ranked. They started off so highly ranked because of what a related, but different, team with the same name did last year.
I think we’re in agreement on all that.
The only point of difference is that I seem to be less surprised/concerned/annoyed or otherwise stirred up by this particular bias. It seems inescapable in sports rankings.
What about next year? Will they get partial credit or do they lose it all after the second year? (;
The CFP committee is operating using a double standard. It is inexcusable. They control the polls to benefit their questionable picks; 2 loss Stanford at 11 ahead of a 1 loss TCU at 18. The writing is on the wall. This poll is being manipulated to help some teams, while hurting others. A TCU loss Saturday would send them out of the polls and we lose another quality win. The loss of Baylor or OSU Saturday sends either team out of the top 10 and guess who moves up, Stanford, who will play who down the road, Notre Dame, who can then get there signature win. Wisconsin and Northwestern in the top 25 helps Iowa (which is a total Joke) and by looking at the numbers should be ranked 28th at best. Why is Ohio State even in the top 3, they have proved nothing yet they say they are waiting on the Big12 to prove something. You want to see what an undefeated team looks like with a schedule even better than Ohio State’s, look at Houston ranked 20. Bad loss for Oklahoma(and yes it was), what do you call Bama losing to Ole Miss at home, a good loss and the committee is struggling to decide if they should be #1 because they are playing great football right now (which also would work for OU at this point). This system is terrible and biased, one qualification to help one team and the same qualification to hurt another. This is unacceptable. The 4 best teams are supposed to play each other in the end. When we get to the end I hope that is the case.
You’re not giving Ole Miss enough credit. They fell out of the top 25 last week with a loss to Arkansas, but this week they clawed their way back to 22nd in the nation. Who did they play? No one, but don’t discount how tough those SEC bye weeks are.
My apologies, I missed that one.
And don’t discount the difficulty of playing monster opponents like Charleston Southern, Charlotte, Georgia Southern, The Citadel, Idaho, and FAU. Those would be this week’s opponents for Alabama, Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn, and Florida respectively. Because when it comes to strength of schedule, even the all-powerful titans of the SEC must keep up appearances.
OU is the best team in the country , period. We have the best Offense and Defense in the country. The Big 12 is the best conference in the country. I’m tired of this committee not giving the Big 12 credit. The Big 12 has the best offense’s in the country and OU has shut down all of them ( Still have TCU , Puke St ). Who has Clemson , Ohio St , Iowa , ND played. Do they play elite offense’s ? NO! Jay Bilas and Herbie have OU in their Top 4 , they have some logic while the committee has no logic.
OU would thump anyone in the ACC that’s for sure
Interesting take by Colin Cowherd on how Vegas is the true measure of how teams should be ranked because they only go by who is favored and it’s all about getting the bets right to make money. Just thought it was an interesting take.
Anyone who disagrees with the committee’s criteria has obviously never studied logic. The objective of logic, of course, is to infer true conclusions from true premises. Let’s cover the committee’s argument in a formal proof:
Premise 1: Cream cheese is unicorn poop.
Premise 2: The Holocaust never happened.
Conclusion: Alabama.
We should all stop whining and be grateful that the SEC doesn’t occupy all four slots as they should. If anyone should be complaining about being left out, it’s Auburn. Duh.
Arkansas is the most improved team in the country. Everyone is just lucky they lost early or else
Excellent point, Soonerfandave84. I mean, they’re playing the best football in the country right now.
We should accept the fact that they are good enough to win every other conference. Never mind they lost to Toledo and Tech
At home no less.
Exactly. Just accept it. Because we all know disagreement is jealousy. Or shall I say, jealouSEC.
I’m stealing the jealouSEC thing
JealouSEC™. 🙂
That’ll be five bucks.
You should really trademark that and sell t-shirts on line with a big SEC logo on them. You’d make millions
LOL! I’m still waiting for some TFB shirts with one-liners from the thread. Now I’m thinking a great big tator tot with the OU logo on the side. Courtesy of EasTex. Or maybe, “Carey looks disgustingly fat today.” Courtesy of Dustin.
“Texas sucks”–everyone with common sense
I used to have one of those shirts. I think the first ones are older than I am – just younger than dirt that is.
Ergo…….
http://www.danpatrick.com/2015/11/18/joel-klatt-explains-how-big-12-team-could-pass-notre-dame/
http://www.danpatrick.com/2015/11/18/joel-klatt-explains-how-big-12-team-could-pass-notre-dame/
I was thinking the same thing
Well after most of the ESPiN crowd picked Baylor to take us to the woodshed regardless of qb, the new narrative coming from Bristol is that OU’s win over Baylor is “devalued” because supposedly Baylor just isn’t Baylor without Seth Russell. Guess I should have seen that one coming.
Hell yeah
There’s a radio clip at ESPiN where Jeff Long pretty much admits that tOSU is being coddled and given extra special treatment (e.g. being given a pass for playing a bunch of cream puffs). His justification? He claims it’s because that’s what “the public” wants. Listen to it here at about 4:35: http://espn.go.com/espnradio/playPopup?id=14163020
Un. believable.
Jeff Long on Sirius Channel 84 right now. (5cst) Ugh. This should be interesting. Eddie George / mark Packer are doing everything but giving him a “kiss” telling him how great job they are doing