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Well, there is no defending that performance.
I’m just going to offer up a few thoughts that, per usual, will focus primarily on the defense. Why? Because that’s the side of the ball I cover for this site but also because in my estimation it is the most critical side of the ball. OU’s brand, historically, is and should be built on defense.
– Obviously the things I hoped to see OU do…they didn’t. The most obvious of which is something we’ve talked about for a while now, namely the secondary alignment. OU has certain principles in their alignment that they teach and repeat in game and practice. But these secondary alignments don’t suit the Big 12 and they don’t suit the type of corners OU has. Jordan Thomas is a press corner. Julian Wilson is a press corner. PJ Mbanasor’s text to me in the middle of the game, “I am a press corner”.
I cannot emphasize to y’all enough just how difficult it is to play corner in OU’s alignment. You are asking a very long human being to let a very fast WR stem and then he’s got to step in front of him and get hands on him, break on the quick game (hitch or slant), and be mindful of the double move as you attempt to close the space quickly. You have to do all that in space without feeling your receiver and without being able to use your length to disrupt the receiver. I’ve watched Julian play press and it’s more than obvious that, that’s where he is comfortable and it’s absolutely no surprise.
In the post game presser Mike Stoops finally conceded that tightening their coverage was something they will need to look at. I honestly, am baffled by the fact that they’d be recruiting the corners they are recruiting. Most of them are press corners.
– But related to that point above, this seems to be the problem with OU’s defense…they’re often behind the change instead of out front. For example, we’ve seen OU use a traditional “contain” plan against running QBs only to die a slow death. This brings me to another issue. Traditionally you run your pressure packages gradually. You begin by bringing as few as possible in order to test how few you can bring to get pressure. So OU begins the game bringing three and it seems to be working. But for those of you who follow our twitter feed, I mentioned that, while Petty was missing throws early, if you let him get comfortable he’ll find his rhythm. The tradition is wrong. You have to begin the game with incessant pressure and prevent the QB from getting comfortable. Most Big 12 QBs are rhythm QBs. They aren’t NFL QBs. The traditional manner of approaching the beginning of the game may work in other leagues or at another time but it doesn’t work in this league.
You want to pressure early and squeeze the receivers early so that you force the QB to make long throws to find space early. You then disguise take pressure off the QB in the second half because by then he’s hearing footsteps. That’s when you’re coverage calls pay dividends. They don’t pay off early.
– I hate to say this but I think it’s pretty obvious some changes need to be made on the staff. I’ve got a very clear idea of where I’d make those changes but I’ll hold off on saying anything about that until I’ve had a chance to discuss with the other guys and see if we even want to get into that. I will say that no matter what happens, Bob Stoops is going to have to get some help for Mike Stoops.
Feel free to shoot any comments or questions below and I’ll try to respond.
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Should also note, as I mentioned in my preview, I really wish OU would tried split safety coverage early to see if they could stop the run out of a 2 man or quarters call. The defensive line was playing really well early.
Are you in the market for a secondary coaching job at a university we both love so dear??
PJ’s comment gives no solace to those of us who are very in touch with the slip in recruiting OU has taken in the last 3-4 years. Worrisome to say the least.
PJ still loves OU but again, you can’t recruit press corners and ask them to play off. Everyone thinks Julian is a horrible corner just like everyone thought Tony Jefferson was a horrible safety.
And this is why Julian was yelling back at the stoopsies. He’s getting lit up because the coaches won’t let him jam guys and leave a safety over the top if the wr gets him on a double move.
+1000
It’s pretty clear mike stoops isn’t what we thought he was. This whole switch to a 3-4 to disguise pressure and get creative. I thought that meant get creative with pressure?? Which means we actually would have to bring pressure for it to be a “creative” way to bring it. I was in the stands for the 1st half and 1st drive of the 3rd quarter. We were all wondering why we continue to play 6-10 yards off the receivers, especially, small, quick receivers of Baylor. Those guys need to be pressed and re-routed. Can’t let then have a free release and run any route they want. Was stoops scared of the “pick”plays? The only one I remember seeing, an offensive PI was called. I agree K, there needs to be some changes made to the back end if the D. I hate to say this, but I would like to a SEC influence on this D! Press man, physicality, pressure. We need to bring nasty back to this D.
I think they need to study Michigan State’s defense. Perhaps even pick someone off their staff. It’s one of the the best secondary alignments in the country in my estimation. They also teach a technique that kids feel comfortable with. Unfortunately OU has two secondary coaches who have never played corner.
Eh. They don’t play enough “good” offenses to know if it’s the scheme/coaching, or if they are simply smoking terrible offenses.
K..what about Viney?? I think he would be a home run permanent hire..thoughts? ?
Amen, brother!
The coaches still think they can win man coverage on defense but why can’t they bring the corners up to bump and run? I don’t get that..just because their on an island doesn’t mean they can’t be physical. The key to winning football games is physicality. Baylor won today because they were the more physical team. BAYLOR won today because they were the more physical team.
You can blame heupel or mike about the play calling or the design but smash mouth and aggressive attitudes will always win out.
You’re right and the refs were letting their corners get away with holding. It’s a huge misconception by a lot of folks, including some defensive coaches that off coverage is safer.
I can’t see how it’s safer! Free release, can run whatever route is called without being pressed or re-routed. The receiver has a clear advantage. Maybe the reason our receivers struggle getting off press coverage., is because all they see in practice is off coverage and they aren’t pressed?!?!?
Plus like you mentioned the big 12 qbs are built on rhythm. Knock their rhythm off.
On another note about non press corners would the kid from preston? From Santa Fe be more in the mold of Sanchez/Colvin?
I still like big corners but unfortunately we aren’t playing to their strengths
The O line was not consistent.
Yeah I’m not sure I agree with the zone blocking scheme. It doesn’t seem to work in the short yardage situations. They got blown up on that 3rd and 1 inside the 5 where it looked like we were going to get some momentum finally.
Zack I am so freakin angry at this loss. This is a loss of national prestige which = a loss of recruits.
Well for me I would be ok with losing interest nationally from recruits. I personally think we need more guys from oklahoma and north texas. Those kids dream of playing for ou not just going pro. So we need guys with attitude. Like whitfield.
You are spot on K! The corner can’t play 8 yards off when it’s 4th & 4 the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Julian Wilson was extremely upset with Mike today.
Time for the morons who can’t, won’t, or don’t know how to make in game adjustments to ALL be gone. I think Joe C could get Kevin Sumlin for the money he’s paying BIG GAME BOB, and TONIGHT the recruiting problems would improve.
Sumlin would not come to OU. He is making $5 mil at aTm and recruiting top talent at a SEC aTm is easier than recruiting to an OU that is no longer a top 2 program in the B12. It is what it is.
There needs to be some new life pumped into this program. We continue to do the same things against teams, and it doesnt work. It seems we lack creativity and seem stale. This team seems to act like Stoops, fiery at times, and stale and confused most of the other time. Bob is too arrogant to make adjustments at least for now and needs to be called on it.
Coach Stoops made quite a few changes a couple years ago. Coach Bedenbaugh and coach Montgomery have been great additions. I won’t be surprised if coach Stoops makes more changes this year. I think he probably at least knows that his brother needs help. It takes a certain personality to coach defense in the Big 12.
Oh absolutely. I love what Monty and Coach B have done. Something just seems off though. Like one minute we are a fiery team, and the next minute we look lost.
What has Coach B done?
Given us a pretty good oline that run blocks well. Brought in some nice talent on the oline.
Unless it’s _____ and 1 to go.
True. But its hard for 5-6 guys to block 8-9 especially when everyone knows what JH is going to call. Run up the gut. Never once have we run a misdirection or slipped someone out on a fake.
Well they had extra guys in to block and it seemed like the line was too concerned with the second level guys instead of just knocking guys back.
I dont disagree, but when they send 8-9 because they know its being run up the gut its tough to block.
Super K, did you get a call from their office yet, or not? lol
Since you dont feel comfortable saying it, I will. Both coordinators need to go. I have been very late to the get rid of coaches party. I am on board now. The problem lies in the relationships. Mike is obviously Bob’s brother and Heupel is his golden boy. If he won’t make those changes, then Bob needs to go. Montgomery and Bedenbaugh are the only two coaches on staff at this time that I would be upset if they were gone. Mike is DC and DB coach. Pretty obvious where the problem on defense lies.
Cale Gundy needs to stay… He’s done a hell of a job.
Correct, brain farted and forgot about him.
Actually, I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing what Cale Gundy could do as OC.
Bingo. However norvell is above him yet i would like to see what norvell would do as a play caller before I write him off. Also Cale has done some goofy stuff with his running backs. I think ford is his most complete back but ross needs to be on the field more and maybe that would give heupel opportunities to get the ball to him. He’s improved a lot over the last few weeks.
Ross actually looked like he wanted to carry the team when he got a chance.
Ross looked great I’m becoming more impressed every week. I’m just surprised he’s been caught from behind each of the last 2 weeks…i guess with more experience he will learn how to take away angles down field and run away from guys.
Why wouldn’t you run the diamond formation with Ross deep and Perine and Ford on the sides? They’ve all shown they can lead block. With Bell and Rip, you know who’s getting the ball every time.
Because that would make too much damn sense.
Not sound reasoning. Baylor runs a single back formation and leads the Big 12 in rushing. It’s not about deception, it’s execution.
We already have the same single back sets and run well out of them, especially when Knight has the green light to run a true read option. We already have the diamond formation also, so why not take an existing formation and maximize the stress on the defense with a simple personnel change and adding about 3 more plays. It isn’t difficult and wouldn’t require much more effort or practice time. Plus, it would be plays you can run many times, not like wasting practice time to run double reverse passes and such that you can only run once.
I see the point, but I think with Gundys QB experience, my gut says he knows more about overall offense than Norvell.
Same could be said about heupel.
True, but Heupel has proven (proved?) he doesn’t have it. We don’t know about the other two yet. Honestly, I’d take either over Heupel right now. Just make some changes.
WE have been told how ALL these backs have great hands. But when a pass play is going to any of them my GRANDMOTHER could figure out who would be thrown to…
From what I was told a couple of years ago Gundy has never been interested in moving up…. He just wants to coach RB’s…. Don’t know if thats true but its what I heard….
If that is the case, fine. Keep him as RB coach.
I seem to remember it being said that he has no aspirations to become a coordinator, or head coach. He is happy being an assistant, working with great kids, and he gets to avoid the headaches that all coordinators and hc’s deal with on a daily basis.
Maybe things have changed since I last heard that, however.
I second Cale staying.
Why Bedenbaugh? The oline has been terrible compared to expectations this season. And while the dline probably hasn’t played THAT bad, they really haven’t lived up to expectations either. Scheme isn’t the reason for either of those things. At least, not the main reason.
The running game has been one of the best in OU’s history despite having a limited passing game. And the DL for the most part has been excellent. They completely shut Baylor’s run game down early. There is NFL draftable talent on a defensive line that was bereft of it before Montgomery got here.
Yep. I think folks that have been so used to seeing a four man front don’t completely realize what the D-line is responsible for in the 3-4. For what they’re asked to do, they’ve done a very good job. The D-line is/has been the least of our problems.
I disagree with the scheme not being the problem.
On Bedenbaugh, when Heupel has committed to the run (Iowa St, WV) the o-line has dominated. When they have the opportunity to play nasty, they do Pass protection has been solid all year too.
On Montgomery, the (few) games Mike has played tighter coverage and brought pressure, they DL has been good. I don’t care who the DL are, rushing 3 vs. 6 blockers is never going to be successful. Also, when the DBs play such soft coverage, the QB can easily get rid of the ball before any pressure has a chance to get there.
You need to check out the competition when looking at that. ISU is the worst team in the league. WVU’s defense, especially their run defense, is God awful. Being able to run against those teams means nothing.
I get that, but there was a complete difference in offensive game plans for those games. When OU has tried to run on anyone, they’ve been able to. You can’t blame the OL for not being able to block 10 guys on the usual 3rd and one dive play. Lack of focus on running game or complete transparency in play calls has really hurt the OL.
I dont think you saw how dominant our front 3 was against the run yest, Philips constantly blew up into the backfield, if Evans and Alexandar were better at the point of attack Baylor would not have gotten any yards. Yesterday showed how much important the LB recruiting and development is for this scheme. Kish really needs to do a better job, or should have done a better job, rather.
You can’t replicate 1971 wishbone numbers when your QB is, at best, average throwing the ball. If I’m an opposing DC, I put everyone up on the line of scrimmage and make Knight beat us passing the ball.
JMHO………
“Mike Stoops finally conceded that tightening their coverage was something they will need to look at”
It’s embarrassing it has taken him this long to figure this out. I’m sick of seeing a 7 yard cushion on _ and 7 to go. The first drive of the 2nd half was the most embarrassing and infuriating thing I’ve seen in years.
Agree, Kyle. It was very embarrassing. When I saw that I knew the game was over. It seemed they had conceded the game.
That is exactly what I thought, they’ve given up. Especially when it wasn’t working and they continued to do it.
Force Petty to make long difficult throws instead of giving him 7-10 yards all the way down the field. Towards the end of that drive they weren’t bringing much pressure or playing coverage. I’m not sure what part of that seemed like a good scheme.
That’s when the wife and I left. I couldn’t stand watching us play D like a high school or pop warner team. On of the most embarrassing drives I’ve ever seen
I was scrolling down through all the comments to see who said this first as I was going to say it if no one else did. SERIOUSLY??? JUST NOW Figuring this out ? when almost every Sooner fan on this site and others has been saying this for WEEKS.
Mike Stoops is supposed to be a top notch defensive coordinator and hes JUST now figuring out that we need to press cover on a 4th and 4 instead of staying 8 yards off the WR. Genius……..pure genius.
IMO Mike Stoops should refund his OU paychecks for the last 2 plus years.
The Stoops brothers are stubborn. They think their coverage system, the same they used in 2000, works today.
They were mad at Wilson after the first driver of the second half. Julian should have told Mike to suit up and go cover Cannon from 10 yards off the line.
I’m a bit tired of stubborn.
Amidst all the brave “there will be another day” pronouncements above, this one is right on the money. It is my opinion that the end is near for the Bob Stoops era. And it should be.
You see it on Wilson because he does not have a cornerback skills, hips or speed. The only thing he does have is length, but because he does not have the other things he cant use his size.
M.Stoops seemed terrified of the big play by Baylor in my opinion. We got beat by what we let them do because we were terrified of what they “could” do.
I’ll commend Phil Bennett however, he made adjustments that we failed to. When Knight was getting running room he committed two players to stopping that play and it worked. Having the first guy through commit to the RB and having a LB come around to commit to Knight stopped that quickly and OU never adjusted to that offensively. Everybody seemed lost after that.
I noticed the same thing. As soon as I saw the second time I looked straight at my wife and told her I bet you a thousand dollars Heupel never sees the right seam they are giving him.
0,0,0 last 3 quarters.
Is Bobby Jack Wright that important to recruiting? In a pass happy league can we afford to have a generalist as a coach?
Need to have an excellent CB coach.
BJW was a defensive line coach with Shipp before Mike came back if memory serves me correctly. Isn’t Coach Viney a DB Coach?
I would like to see Bob eat a piece of humble pie and admit the schemes they have been using havent put this team in the best spot to win. I just want to see his arrogance get called out a little bit, and him admit their have been failures as a coaching staff.
Mike admitted it in the post game presser.
Ok good. Did not see that, I was too frustrated to watch anything else.
The reason Bob doesn’t eat humble pie is because he doesn’t want to publicly trash his coaches and throw his players (by name) under the bus. If he seems defiant, it is to take the majority of the heat and wrath himself.
We have seen this before… In 2012, it was clear in our losses against ND and KSU that we were being outplayed along the lines. He never acknowledged it to the press, but at the end of the year made the necessary changes. I don’t know what changes he will make this year (he is never going to fire his brother), but expect changes in scheme or personnel.
I guess the most frustrating part for me is that I see so many dynamic athletes. This is not 6-3 talent, this is 1 loss talent at best. I disagree with the posters who believe talent is lacking. Scheme is what is lacking.
Ditto
Disagree. We don’t have the talent at key positions. Our QB isn’t good enough. Our combination of CB’s and Safeties aren’t good enough either. And our Oline isn’t playing good enough either. Not sure if that is a talent issue or not, but they have the experience and supposedly the talent to be playing a lot better.
Baylor didn’t appear to have significantly less talent on the field than we did. And scheme isn’t the reason for that.
I disagree. It is the scheme we are playing them in, which has been discussed on this board ad nauseum. Corners are press corners, we run zone, QB is an option run pass QB, we tried to make him a pocket passer, etc. etc. Kstate plays to their players’ strengths, Utah plays to its personnels’ strengths, Michigan State, on and on. OU ‘s talent is just as good or better. Scheme can make your talent look better or worse than it actually is. Florida has tons of talent but different schemes would make them at least three games better than they are. But then it is only our opinions, in order to test our theories we would have to see the other ‘talented ‘ teams players play in the same schemes under the same game plans against the same competition as OU ‘s.
You are ASSUMING they would play better if they played like you want them to!!! YOU have no idea what they are and how they would play.
I agree. Wilson, A Thomas, and Hayes are not even average for an elite program like OU. Not good in the Big 12. We have to recruit safeties with coverage abilities. That’s why i scratch my head on why they recruited sunderland from midwest city. Coverage is not his strong suit. Oh well, another 3 loss season to come in the near future. It’s sad to say but Stoops looks a lot like Gary Gibbs right now
Baylor’s talk was definitely on par with OU’s if not better. They are better at QB, WR, OL and their secondary can play better man defense be it talent or coaching.
When Baylor has won 3 of the last 4 games and are most likely to make it 4 of 5 next year in Baylor then talent is dearly lacking by OU’s standards. We either cannot identifiy the talent we need to recruit, develop the talent we or close on the talent at the top of our board.
All of the above issues are coaching issues and they exist on both sides of the ball and that points only to Bob Stoops. Bob needs to make significant changes in his coaching staff or hang them up because more of the same is not going to result in the needed change.
From 2002-2010 OU’s recruiting class has averaged having 13.8 four and five star recruits (per Rivals). From 2011-2014 OU averaged 8.8 four stars and five stars. To date OU’s 2015 class has only 7 four/five star commitments. On each years roster that is 20-25 (factoring a redshirt year) fewer high star recruits. That is significantly less top talent than the Sooners are accustom to having.
One has to also believe we are not developing talent as well as our opponents. 2011-2014 we signed thiry-four 4/5* players. Baylor during the same period signed only 9 of those players. Obviously Briles is doing a much much better job developing his talent than Stoops is developing the Sooner players.
Agree. There is a ton of talent on this team.
Agree. I see talent all over the field put in shitty situations.
Well said Wilson. We have talent. We need to adjust the way we use it.
Super K can you address Soonerspocks comments about recruiting. I only can say that while Baylor has had more OL drafted in the NFL lately, overall Oklahoma has had the most players drafted into the league. So its not the lack of development. Take Lane Johnson. TE/QB and now starting in the league on the OL.
In my mind it’s half measures. We blitz, but we play the corners 8 yards off. We have a running QB, but we have an OC who wants to run Tech’s offense. We want to run a 3 man line to be creative with our defense of the spread, we only rush three and QB’s pick us apart. We suspend players for something, only to recruit and bring players from other schools for doing the exact same thing. What do all these things have in common? Leadership. Vision comes from the top, and success rises and falls on leadership.
I sure hope that Hansen or Mayfield is the answer. BUT, I’d be shocked if JH replaces TK in 2015. I hope I’m wrong…….
Don’t forget Thomas. There needs to be a competition next year and I hope one of them steps up big as someone who can command the pass game as well as zone read.
I did forget him. I hope that they allow REAL competition, BUT I have real doubts that they will.
Trevor’s a good kid and the best running QB we’ve had in years, he just isn’t real good in the pass game. Good receivers help him more than he helps receivers.
We need to scrap the zone read…that was a phase but we do need a mobile qb and I think the ones we have are mobile enough. But it does look like Thomas might get his try out the rest of the season if knight is injured bad enough or if they give him the rg3 in Washington treatment.
The ZR has produced for us this year the few times we committed to running it correctly. I’m happy with or without it as long as we are doing SOMETHING that produces. We officially have nothing to play for now except pride so I hope they do try some other players to see what will work in the future.
I just don’t trust them to run it correctly. This team has the personnel to run whatever offense they want. So why not run them all? And give teams different looks out of each formation.
I like heupel and sometimes he calls a great game but too often it seems like the other teams DC was in our offense’s meetings.
Zone read/option doesn’t work when your QB get’s hurt so easily.
From what I know, Mayfield will get every opportunity to win the job. Knight does not read the backers. Three games in a row? At least when L Jones threw a pick we could still count on scoring at least 35-40 a game!
I’d rather be playing Blake. He’s shown he’s a guy who will do anything for the program.
No, just no. we don’t give QB position to anyone at OU out of pity.
It won’t be Hansen. Mayfield, and to a lesser extent Thomas, both has a shot. I have ZERO doubt that if one of them if considerably better than Knight in the Spring, Summer, and Fall, they will start over Knight next year. No doubt in my mind. But, unfortunately, I don’t think it’s a guarantee that either are better. People remember the good about Mayfield, but he fell apart once TT started playing better teams. Some of that was the talent that TT had around him, I’m sure. And maybe a year, and what would be two years next year, of being in the system at OU has helped him. But Knight is definitely a huge problem.
I just don’t think TK has the accuracy to ever lead us to the title. I never liked “Johnny Football”, but he was a better thrower than TK.
Connie………you are not alone in thinking JH will not replace TK…..I don’t either.
Our corners aren’t playing off because they want to, someone is forcing them to and that “someone” knows nothing about playing corner. Worst defensive plan I have ever seen. A good high school spread offense could have moved the ball today. I just hope our staff hasn’t set the recruiting back another year or two.
It’s taken Obama 6 years to realize there are “issues”.
Hopefully, it doesn’t take 6 years for MS/BS to realize them.
Obama hasn’t realized jack.
U r right. I was trying to make a point about realizations, but it didn’t come out right.
I just hope that BS/MS do realize what they are/have created(ing)
Can we stay away from the political? Nobody will agree on that. Lol.
I agreed with him completely. Where have YOU been the last 6 years LOL?
Lol. I’ve been out doing stuff in A murica!
Yes, that’s the alignment they are taught. Different players are more comfortable with different technique so I’d basically teach a few techniques and gives them the option to play between 1 and 5 yards off depending on what they’re comfortable with and the down and distance.
Would this “alignment” be different if the coaches had more faith in their abilities?
Was very frustrating today to watch and I don’t understand their rationale.
Square peg in a round hole. MS is the hammer
So glad I was somewhere that I couldn’t get FS1. Glad I didn’t sit thru this mess
I almost turned away many times.
almost.
not that anybody needs this, but . . . brace yourselves for the headlines. Foxsports dot com has a couple of doozys, a sampling: “blowout” and “Oklahoma DB has angry words for Stoops brothers . . .”
I stopped looking after that.
I think Bob has it in him to win the whole enchilada at least one more time. Don’t understand what happened out there today. Waiting to see some major moves by him soon.
Red Clay…………..I disagree. I don’t think Stoops will ever win another NC here because the staff doesn’t bring in the talent needed in volume to get the job done…..
Dale, I think you are sober.
Accurate intuitions.
And Bob is too stubborn to make the needed changes. If Joe c holds his feet to the fire maybe, MAYBE changes will come
Another thing nobody needs to hear yet again, but it is on the front burner after yesterday, in terms of bringing in talent for an NC . . . So sad to lose the momentum from (nails on blackboard) the Sugar Bowl. That win made us the flavor of the month in the recruit’s eyes, maybe of the year. I’ll be very interested in TFB recruiting news over the next month after yesterday’s fiasco. We need to steel ourselves for waves of more bad news. Opportunity cost can really slam when it hits.
Perhaps a little perspective. First, by all accounts the only “shut down” corner we have is Sanchez. Colvin left a big void by graduating. Thus, press coverage or not Wilson, Hayes, and others cannot STAY with their assignments. Press coverage is design to work in tandem with a relentless pass rush, if Petty is able to get the ball off, the pressing corner will be beaten unless he’s a Sanchez. Try something else. You need to recruit athletic corners who can run. Franks, Fleming are not big but the can run. Wilson is only a 4.5 guy in my view.
Second, I’ve been an OU fan since 1973 and I’ve never heard boos rain down on the defense like today. I don’t count the 90’s because OU was not expected to be a contender many of those years. When you say change off and def coordinators you are saying the head coach made a mistake and does not know what he’s doing. Why would you want Bob then? I want Bob and everyone else back. I bet you called for coach V to leave as well? Coaches don’t play. Players play. Perhaps Mayfield should start not Knight. Same something about that!
um yeah, mayfield has the eligibility thing kind of hanging over his head. and when you bring pressure, it can’t get there when you don’t press. the qb will just dink and dunk you down the field like petty did. maybe i’m reading your post wrong but it seems you’re arguing the reverse of what you should be. and i wouldn’t be too quick to get rid of bob. you never know when howard schnelleberger is waiting around a corner
He said he wanted Bob and everyone back, maybe you did read him wrong….or maybe I did..LOL.
Look, I’m just upset at this performance. I said it’s not the coaching. I mean, people were yelling for coach Venerable’ head! Now it’s Mike? I agree they needed to press sometimes and play at others. Have the DT recorded a sack since big 12 play began?
Venables isn’t doing any better at Clemson than he did here and that’s not exactly an offensive powerhouse of a league.
Yes. But in a 3-4 sacks from your DT is not the primary strategic goal. Now in a 42 or 43 it’s a slightly different story.
If the QB gets rid of the ball in 2 seconds or less, you won’t get any sacks. We have to press the corners. D-line needs a little time to rush
Wow.
Both Julian and Hayes are very good athletes. Great speed. A defensive scheme can make really good players look really bad. Additionally, you can’t do what you haven’t done repeatedly. If you play a press technique all the time, you get good at it and it works out well because it fits your personnel. And Wilson got beat deep in off coverage on a free release which is exactly the problem we’ve repeatedly pointed to all year. Mike Stoops admitted this is a problem. OU is playing a big 12 defense circa 2012. Other big 12 defensive coordinators have opted to scrap soft coverage and cover 3 base because it yielded poor results. Mike is behind the curve. It’s easy to see.
And he’ll never admit it. I’m starting to think that the arrogance of MS/BS is causing their downfall.
K; As always, thank you. I’m always depressed after a loss, but I know I can come here and feel better.
I don’t see the athleticism in Wilson that you do. To me, he isn’t quick. He might have good straight line speed, but he doesn’t start and stop very quickly. That, or he has trouble processing from what he sees, into what he needs to do, CB-wise.
If you press a “quick” WR with Wilson, he is going to get burnt every time. I’ve seen it all season. Against multiple teams, and against multiple receivers. He just can’t stay with them. I think Mike is trying to protect him, but that is obviously creating new issues.
Thanks. That’s what I tried to communicate. Wilson is not a fast twitch guy.
You can use a different press technique. Use a mirror technique with 2 or 3 hops to give and he certainly won’t get best the LOS. But you’ll force the qb to hold the ball. Julian has looked really good when they’ve allowed him to play up on the wr. And besides if OU has a lot of corners sitting the bench behind Julian. Mike can’t get any of them ready? Including a kid he brought all the way from Arizona?
Super K, I have said the same thing just not as well. The team I coach for (linebackers) decided to take the best most athletic kid who is a every good OLB and put him in a different spot against my advice and made him very average, because he hadn’t practiced it. Killed his confidence and neutralized his ability. Scheme and personnel positioning matter.
Miami won several national titles and was once the most dominant team in the nation for years playing press defense. They were relentless.
BJW…to recruiting guy..I love Viney…Heupel gone..Norvell gone..Kish gone..Mike gone..Keep Bedenbaugh..Montgomery..Cale..Special Teams guy. .that’s it
As I’ve said before; From your lips to God’s ears.
I can’t believe why we never once saw the formations or plays which lead to the over 500 yards rushing last week.
Most concerned with the “perception” of the program, both nationally and with recruits. OU doesn’t have the “cool” factor it once did.
IMO, coordinators need to come in who have that fire. Coach Monty, Bedenbaugh, and Norvell all do that.
I’d also add that Baylor’s WR talent is considerably better than our DB’s. If we had better CB’s on the field, maybe Mike doesn’t give such soft coverage. This is why I’m so excited about Mbanasor (if he doesn’t de-commit): He’s a tremendous press corner with size.
“Press corner” what is that?
In your face, on the los, pushing and bumping you off your path then running with you step for step on the the way down field.
It was a joke. Roll with it.
HAHA, it’s been a bad day. 🙂
Need pressure to the qb with press man too. (Just want to add)
That was missing in this game. Got to petty afew times but not consistent.
We may never know brother!
Actually the Baylor WRs have often shown difficulty dealing with a hands on approach. And Petty has consistently been inaccurate when there is disruption of the routes and pressure.
In reality, there is little Mike could have done. At least Baylor didn’t put up 60 like they did against the Big 12’s assumed best team TCU.
If you refuse the to let the corners press, how do you know the talent is inferior? If it is not working ( and it ain’t), change it!
I wish I could post the transcript of J.D. Runnel’s on air comments after the game. He did a GREAT job of taking the emotion out of the game, and simply explaining where OU is, and why the OU coaches did what they did, on both sides of the ball. I think he was dead on with just about everything he said too. The sky isn’t falling. OU isn’t as far off as some might think. And there are reasons the coaches are doing some of the things they are doing. J.D. just put it all out there, and was very honest, without simply degrading the staff as being idiots.
I don’t think they are far off either. But there are fundamental issues with what they are doing. And I know the reasons the OU coaches are doing what they are doing. But there are reasons the best defensive minds in the game (Narduzzi, Patterson, etc.) do something different. You can justify just about any scheme and any call but the proof is in the repeated result. OU believes (or believed) their secondary alignment gives them the best chance against certain calls. But they’re simply wrong and I suspect in the off-season they’ll change it to mimic what teams like TCU and Mich. State are doing. The question is do they have the kind of secondary coaches that can teach the necessary details of the types of techniques you need to close windows in zone coverage or play a tighter man coverage out of a single high scheme? I don’t personally think so.
K you have a great site here, so no offense brother Sooner, but you mentioned Patterson. Patterson’s scheme held Baylor to 60 remember?
Yeah they had a rough game. But the scheme is sound. Sometimes you just get your butt kicked haha. But for the most part Patterson has been doing more with less for a long time. The LB that had the winning pick 6 against OU was a former 6’1 185 lb WR turned big time college LB by Patterson’s staff. Verrett was a JUCO corner. And OU didn’t recruit either of TCU’s current CBs. In fact they’re both basically mid-major level recruits in terms of offers.
There are issues you are right about that. There’s a lot of football left 9-3, plus a bowl win?
That would be great! And I definitely think the issues are fixable.
If they can’t win whatever POS bowl they’ll be in, there are more issues than we know of right now.
You might want to look at what TCU has done on D the last two years. Not all that impressive, and statistically, this year at least, not really any better than OU.
Patteron’s defense is currently ranked higher than OU’s and the talent disparity is huge. Again, the LB that had the winning pick 6 against OU was a 6’1 185 lb WR in HS. TCU is full of kids no one wanted. They’re starting interior lineman is a DT from Oklahoma that neither in-state high major programs wanted. Their corners are both mid-major level recruits. Patterson is a man who has been studied incessantly by coaches because he is one of the best.
You might want to pay more attention than to the weather report for sunshine.
Super K………….keep preaching.. maybe somebody on the staff will listen.
I’ve often drawn on this metaphor for what, in my mind, coaching staffs should be doing on a game-by-game (play-by-play even) basis:
I have a set, an entire SET, of golf clubs. Each club is designed to be used in different situations throughout the course. I would never rely on just one, two or even three clubs in my bag throughout an entire round… So I, before playing this course, analyze it and select the clubs best suited for me to be successful on this course, put them in my bag and use them where appropriate. This gives me the best chance of being successful.
So why then, does this coaching staff continually handicap themselves by relying on about three to four of the same old “clubs” without any perceived deference to the different “courses” they’re playing?
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” – Albert Einstein
And that MSU D has just given up 28 points and 325+ yards in the first half to a pretty mediocre Ohio State team. 🙂
Sample size of one is invalid…… smartass. Did they give up 40+ several years in a row?
Name calling. Cool, dude.
A sample size of one is all we get with a Big 10 team, b/c they are lucky to play 1 or 2 good offenses a year. That isn’t my fault.
https://twitter.com/tonyjefferson1/status/531170489402937345
Thought this tweet was apt because there was a time when a lot of people questioned Tony’s ability in Mike Stoops defense. He seems to be doing well in the league.
He talking about US or USC?
Can’t wait to see Jordan post the twitter comments that Tony Jefferson made during the game. Even he was wondering why OU was playing 8 yards off the WRs. That scheme sucks and now you go against a Tech team that has some good WRs also. BS and MS have to figure this out or they lose more games and recruits.
LMAO……Okay Super K posted them. Classic! Great minds think alike.
I actually figured out how to embed a tweet haha!
I didn’t see what was said after the game but my guess is there was a “we didn’t execute very well” in there somewhere. I’d say the game plan was crap and that was the problem. we seemed to get off to a pretty good start and it seemed like we were bringing some pressure, then suddenly Baylor started nickel and diming us to death (which is pretty easy when given a 10 yard cushion on EVERY play) it was over after that. heads were down, guys weren’t playing with passion and fire anymore. If I can see that as just a fan, I’d think the guys getting paid millions could also see it. something NEEDS to change. there is no reason we should have lost this game or the other 2 earlier and it starts with our DEFENSE! we looked helpless out there and that is embarrassing to me. that’s the end of my little rant. looking forward to watching these guys the rest of the season. BOOMER SOONER!
Pure and simple Baylor won in all three phases of the game. Players executed better, coaches had a better game plan and the Bears came to play today. My concern is that OU looks out of sync on both sides of the ball and it is the 9th game. I understand this team is still relatively young, but you should be getting better, not regressing. Baylor was the better team today, and probably the better team overall, but not 34 points better. Signed…..Frustrated Loyal Sooner Fan.
Ed C……………………that ‘young’ excuse is what Texas used when it underperformed. It simply won’t fly. Everybody is playing frosh, sophs, jrs, srs……….and their excelling. Besides, OU;s young guys have been playing and they;ve gotten experience.
We rotate 6 seniors on the online so youth is not an excuse
If we win out from here, anyone know what Bowl we’re most likely to get?
toilet
Shelby………………….Tidy bowl in Shreveport.
Okay, I probably set myself up for the joke responses but I was being serious. If we’re going to go to a crappy bowl, I’d like it to be the Alamo so I can see OU play.
I heard the Alamo would want ou because they’ve never played there
They played in Alamo venue for big 12 championship but not under “Alamo bowl” lots of ou fans show makes sense
But will fans travel this year?
The guys on the radio butchered this question after the game. Can’t remember who it was, but they said the Alamo and the Holiday.
First, the Holiday isn’t even associated with the Big 12 any longer. Second, I believe the Alamo gets the first pick of Big 12 teams NOT in the Playoff Bowls.
So the order is:
All Playoff Bowl teams
Alamo (SA, TX)
Russell Athletic (Orlando)
AdvoCare (Houston)
Liberty (Memphis)
Cactus (Tempe)
So if OU finishes 4th, and we don’t get a team in the Playoff, but our conference champ does go to the “other” Playoff Bowl game, I’d say Russell or AdvoCare. Alamo Bowl may want OU, but they aren’t going to jump two teams to get to us, I wouldn’t imagine.
AdvoCare works, too. I’m equal distance from SA and Houston.
I think it’s the Texas bowl with the 4th ranked sec team…
Since we are the 4th ranked big 12 team
All i can add is this was one of the worst game’s i can remember i have been as sooner fan since the 1970’s this program is in chaos as the boz recently said i know my sooner friend sooner ray may not agree with this but this program is going in the wrong direction sorry sooner fan’s but sometimes the truth hurt’s
JB………….believe the concensus is 100% you are right.
Stephen i have to give you your just do you said baylor would blow the sooner’s out and they did just that but i won’t give up on the player’s it’s bad coaching that simple
I think you meant to type due. Just saying you cute little true sooner bred fan.
You won’t get many arguments today james.
Sorry sooner ray i had to say it as i true sooner fan if there is any good to come from this game is bob stoop’s may be forced to make major changes to this program and that would be good for the program and the fan’s who support it
I most certainly am not in the inner circle of anything pertaining to OU football, but I know I read something on here the other day about why these young men chose OU over other schools. Chaos is not the word I would use to describe how they felt. We lost…bad. It sucks so much. But, I have yet to see as many comments on how a young man is doing after being carted off the field as I do self proclaimed “men” having hissy fits about a game. Grow up.
You must not be a true sooner bred fan there are other site’s for people like you
so you’re 5 comments in on a site and questioning someone else’s fandom? and suggesting they go somewhere else? hahahahahahahaha. thanks bro. i needed that
You do know that’s dudley04 right?
Boomer sooner i changed my password from dudley04 because my wife didn’t like me using our dog’s name
That’s what you are going with? Not a true bred fan? Impressive to say the least. If it’s all the same to you, I think I’ll stick around. Though I do value your extensive input, so let me know how you feel. I’m waiting with bells on.
That is just the way i am it’s not personal my friend
I was in the stands for the Blake-Snelly years….this is not even close
But that was expected. We are not expected to lose “like this” under Bob.
I’m there with you. Been following OU since the late sixties. This is as bad I remember seeing.
You my friend are a true sooner fan god bless you
So I’m guessing there’s going to be no reason to catch up with the recruits who visited today. Right?
I’m crossing fingers we don’t lose our commits…
Pj is probably pissed… I know I would be.
Here’s another view on that, that whatever the hell that was:
http://deadspin.com/baylor-wins-in-norman-for-the-first-time-as-sooners-fan-1656383970
certainly an interesting read.
Fire Malzhan!
Accepting one-word descriptions of what you witnessed today on the sidelines (not the field).
apathetic.
Dispicable
RBear…….. disturbing.
Clueless.
Embarrasing
inept
destitute
12/27 for TK’s passing today. We been spoiled by his predecessors.
Anyone who knows the inside – any validity to our armchair theory that Josh on sideline with his QB is much better than Josh in the pressbox calling plays?
Of course, we’re just gonna see this same thing the rest of season.
Hopefully CreamPuff State doesn’t embarrass us in the SchmuckBowl held on a New Jersey toxic waste dump.
It would probably be a good idea to bring him down from the box since he isn’t seeing clearly up there anyways.
…and escort him through the north gate
My only problem with the JH on the sideline talk, is that there are tons of other programs that have their QB coaches in the press box calling plays, and they don’t all struggle. Do other positions struggle when their coach is upstairs calling plays? Because somebody has to be up there.
Also a ton of coaches who call plays from sidelines too though. Some probably good at it up there, others better on field. Not really sure about JH. Definitely some struggles.. has he ever tried calling from field?
I was thinking turn down any bowl bid, but that’s penalizing the kids. CoachesHAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE! nothing changes until then
I think we are contractually obligated to go to a bowl, since we have 6 wins. And the Big XII has bowl contracts to fill.
nm
So far 2 games went the way ou needed them to. Auburn and notre dame lost. The problem? The one game we had to have go our way was over at halftime.
I would give mike one more year. That’s a full recruiting cycle… Nothing? Bye (won’t happen)
Josh is dead to me. He has had plenty of time to establish an identity. Doesn’t have the skills to call plays.. Ice him.
Novell I like as a person but his wrs are not getting separation… On thin ice. Stays for now..
Tim kish hasn’t brought anybody recruiting wise.. He needs to be gone.
Just two cents. Mostly venting..
So a question. Let’s use Norvell this time around, b/c before this season, he hasn’t had many people doing anything but praising everything he has ever done at OU.
Did he forget how to coach WR’s? Lose his motivation? Not working as hard?
I always hate railing on a coach that has had MUCH past success, just b/c one or two seasons don’t go his way. I’m more inclined to think the WR problems are due in part to inexperience and bad QB play, then anything Norvell isn’t doing as a coach.
And norvell does appear to have another success in the making with quick. My lord, when michiah put the move on that dude while catching the ball… beautiful.
a better quarterback will make for better receivers.
I’m speaking my mind here so if you don’t want to hear anything but sunshine pumping coming through crimson colored glasses, then move on to another comment. I have been as big a fan & defender of Mike Stoops as there is. But he went from a tried and true scheme that worked in shutting down passing offenses like FSU under Bowden or TTU under Leach: press man coverage combined with pressure defense. Mysteriously, he’s reverted to the same things that got Venables pushed out the door, deep cushions for WRs, lots of zone coverage, lack of pressure that give QBs all the time in the world to wait for an opening, and ALWAYS leaving the sideline open to 5-7 yard dinks all day. Mike’s changes in scheme were designed to stop Big 12 offenses; it’s has been an utter failure. Whatever coaching magic he had, he’s lost.
Bob was slow to push Venables out the door, but eventually he did. He will not do that to his own brother. The only way to see a major defensive change would require Bob leaving. I think it is time for Bob to go. Retire, take another job, whatever. This sounds harsh, but if you analyze the situation carefully, perhaps you might agree with me.
Defense is just 1 problem. Special teams should be called “average” teams, and that’s being generous.
Each year for about 6 years, we’ve seen increasingly worse coaching during games; can’t get plays in on offense, defensive players seemingly always out of position, can’t get the right personnel on the field, stupid and costly penalties, burning through timeouts like quarters in a slot machine, etc.
Bob said at the start of the season that this was as talented a defense as he’s had at OU. Clearly, it’s not even in the top 5 he’s had. The staff’s talent evaluation skills are below par, especially Bob’s.
Player recruitment has been too dependent on Texas and has gotten weaker. I hope the Louisiana players we have committed as well as the California talent we’ve brought in will make us better, but we are doing a POOR job of evaluating and recruiting in-state talent, and you absolutely MUST have a decent number of homegrown players to win a national title.
Attitude reflects leadership, does it not? Well, this team quit by halftime. There was no fire when they came out of the locker room, they just went through the motions. I think apathy or complacency set in a long time ago. Bob hired 3 energetic assistant coaches and hoped that was all he needed to do to fix his problems. Wishful thinking.
This isn’t about hate. I like Bob. I think he’s a very good man. I appreciate all he’s done here. But it’s become a stale relationship. Perhaps a fresh start is best for everyone, and I’d root for his success wherever he went…(unless it was UT!)
We are as far away from winning a national championship as we’ve been in Stoops’ time at OU. We do not have a single quality win this year. OU is about winning national championships, right? It’s pretty clear that OU has won THE ONLY National Championship we’ll ever win under Bob. If we aren’t going to win one with him, why keep him around?
Joe C won’t fire him…yet, unless we start reeling off more games like this one…so maybe the best thing is to hope for him to leave and bring in a new, hungry national championship caliber coach.
This program is capable of so much more, and it is underperforming. That is simply not acceptable and wouldn’t be, even if your last name were Switzer.
I’m not reading all that because I like my crimson colored glasses. However I will say I disagree that we are as far away from winning a title as we’ve been under stoops. We are only 5 hours removed from being in a game that a win would have put us in the top 10 with chaos determined to show up. But it is embarrassing that we haven’t won an out right big 12 title since 2010. That part is unacceptable.
Haven’t been in any sort of playoff picture since 08.. No top 4 finishes Per final rankings (all polls) before announcement of bowl season.
By nfl standards we are the Tampa bay bucks and Jacksonville jaguars with that six yr drought.
Just saying..
birddawg……..boils down to evaluation skills, recruiting, and coaching………OU has a lot of non-producers on the sideline taking up precious scholarships.
Agreed. And guys, I’m married to my own opinion, of course. But I just don’t see any tangible evidence on the field that we are even a Top 10 team. Our CBs are consistently bad…we were 106th in pass D before this game.. We have no LB depth. We don’t have much of a stable of WRs. Our QB is arguably the worst QB of the Stoops era. I don’t see him even sniffing an NFL clipboard-carrying gig in the future. We still aren’t generating enough from the TE position. We have coordinators who look as lost as a true freshman on his first day of classes.
We have strong running backs, a decent offensive line, and a strong defensive Line. That’s not enough to convince me we are anywhere in the vicinity of a national championship let alone a conference championship.
JB…you are correct as far as you went ; however , there is more to the problem. This OU team does not have the internal leadership to FIGHT to overcome adversity. Yesterday’s interception yanked what little false confidence was left on the squad , and after Honeymuff’s miss, all this team could see was the lost opportunities similar to TCU/KST——–and the team QUIT right there. Problem is, Baylor–to its credit—didn’t. And rubbed OU’s nose in it in its own excrement…….OU’s problems began with a change in recruiting philosophy several years ago. Getting an occasional player from Florida , California, Utah, or Timbuktu doesn’t equal losing similar talent much closer to home ( Texas) and the Sooners are light years away from reestablishing any sort of preeminence south of the Red River. It won’t be resurrected by this staff, either. Yes, several areas are depleted but OU’s talent in other areas is not good enough to overcome the mistakes at QB/LB/DB/WR right now. That is why TK’s pick turned the game around. OU is trying to win without the talent advantage it used to enjoy. The blowout wins we used to celebrate are being enjoyed by others now———-and I don’t see that trend changing anytime soon……Truth is, I don’t think Bob Stoops has the energy, determination, or the authority to gut this staff and rebuild. He can’t get rid of Heupel because of the boren connection and he won’t fire his brother. Nor will he replace his brother’s LB friend, Mr Kish………What I truly believe is needed is a complete housecleaning ( a la Texas) . A new start is needed by the school, the program, the current players, and by the coaches on board now. The staff is stale and seemingly without answers……….There are those posters who believe the program is close to returning to domination but I don’t see it AT ALL.
Agreed, we aren’t far at all.
Matter of fact, I’ll go one step further. If you switch out Knight for Landry Jones, on the current team, we MIGHT only have 1 loss at this point. QB play is our biggest issue. Fix that, and some of the other problems will fix themselves. Not saying we don’t have other issues, just that they appear worse than they are b/c of the play we are getting at QB.
And to be honest are biggest recruiting target is on the current roster. They need to convince DGB to come back and then smooth things over between boren and shannon. Add in mixon and we would have a really good chance next year just figure the qb position out.
I rank our major deficiency at LB and especially at CB as a greater priority. I would also open up the QB position in spring. Knight does some nice things at times, and had a great Sugar Bowl. But he’s not a good passer. He’ll throw a long bomb for a TD followed by overthrowing 3 dink passes in the flat before throwing his now-customary pick 6. I don’t think he is the long-term answer. I believe we’d have been better with Bell. I’m hoping Mayfield proves to he as good as he was last spring.
We definitely have the talent, and I’ll agree that Trevor has hurt us a lot this season, certainly more than he has helped.
Like I said earlier it looks like we will get to see Thomas and a try out for that starting job if he can play well with knight possibly missing some time.
The fans started booing mike stoops in the 3rd quarter for our defensive woes. I don’t remember that ever happening before, not even when Venables was here, which is just SAD. I take that as a sign we’re nowhere near a nat’l title. We aren’t in the same zip code of a chance of any team ranked in the top 10. I’m grateful for our weak remaining schedule hoping that meeans we won’t lose anymore and make us have the appearance of being better. If we somehow win out, it won’t change the fact that we’ve beaten no-f’ing-body and lost to every decent team on our schedule.
5 hours removed from a game where we got our asses kicked on our home field by Baylor. I remember when it used to be tough to win in Norman. Now, hammering OU at home proved easy today. We do not have a single quality win this year. Not one. LA Tech, Tulsa, Tennessee, Iowa State, Texas, WVU…none of those are any good. I thought wvu might be, but they proved they’re pretenders today. I don’t give any credence to comments I heard Zach Sanchez say prior to today about being 5 points away from being undefeated. I call those by a more old-fashioned term, “losses.” Anything else is aggiespeak. Moral victories tally in the loss column. ,
JB………………well said.
Getting rid of Bob would be a huge risk. Who do you replace him with???
It’s not easy building a program and consistently winning.
Apparently it is considering the speed at which BIG XII bottom dwellars are rocketing past our program.
Sticking witg Bob is proving risky. There are plenty of good coaches out there.
Mark Dantonio, Kyle Whittingham, Jim McElwaine, a number of NFL assistants. If he’d have us, I’d take Rex Ryan in a heartbeat when he gets his release from NYJ. We’d have a consistent, super-bowl winning defensive scheme and we’d attack and press the hell out of teams like Baylor. The jets are bad this year, but they’ve done good things in his time there & he’s had to deal with a horrible GM who keeps getting him awful QBs.
I get so sick of hearing the “OU is about winning NC’s, right?”
First, we have 7 in how many years of football?
Second, if you watched Boz’ 30 for 30, you heard him say that every year, their team goal was to win the Big 8. He didn’t say the team goal was to “win a NC”.
Garbage when the boz played here you knew that winning national championship’s was the goal that was what barry switzer expected period that is bull that the goal was just win the big 8
That is exactly what Boz said. You calling him a liar?
Why don’t you just ask him yourself and see what he would say those comment’s where taken out of context every player who played for barry switzer knew that winning nationa championship’s where the goal ever year
I’d take a conference championship outright, right about now…
Boz did say the goal was to win the Big 8, because if you won the Big 8 against Nebraska back then, and you also beat Texas, you were in the NC hunt. That is also what Bob has said up until 2010, when OU was winning Big 12 Championships outright.
You are 100 precent right boz never said they didn’t have the goal of winning national champions ship’s soonerfan tu took the boz comment’s out of context
If you are sick of hearing OU’s about winning nat’l champs, why on earth do you follow OU football? That is the expectation every year. Alabama had 7 too (I mean the universally recognized ones, not the 2000 they claim). They floundered for years under dubose, then shula and were average under franchione. Then they hired Saban and won 3 more in a 4 year stretch. I believe with the right coach, OU could do the same. I don’t think we have that coach right now.
JB………it happens to most coaches : have a nice run then a swoon. the great coaches fix their problems and come back stronger……bryant, switzer, royal, etc….the jury is out on Stoops having the foresight to recognize and fix his problems. We’ve been waiting 15 yrs……..
After the last 10 years, I’ve given up on expecting that “fix”
http://youtu.be/uNe7x13q2MU just a little humor on such a downer result…
I thought that was going to be “Oh no, we suck again”.
the last 3 quarters….Goose eggs. 14 0 0 0
Yeah that was rough
One question: Why did Daryl Williams get his ass kicked today? 4 penalties?
Just watched a short video on CBSSportsline of BIG GAME BOB and his bro, BOTH eating Julian Wilson’s ass again. They BOTH owe him and Sanches a PUBLIC apology for the pathetic situation they put them in, and then to eat his rear out on National TV. Disgusting.
Your comment is somewhat disgusting with the odd wording. I think I got your point, but you might wanna be careful with word selection in rant mode, man. I think Wilson and Sanchez do the best they can while hoping to show their measurables when the combine finally comes around. Then they can try to flourish in an NFL scheme built to stop an offense.
I hate to say it, but Wilson was letting mike and bob have it!!! And they deserved it!! They put this team in a position to fail and be didn’t appreciate it!! I would back Wilson on this!
Okay I usually do not comment with you guys. But the number one coaching change that needs to occur is to get rid of the Jerry Schmidt and the philosophy of lighter is better.
It kills us recruiting. Especially D-Line. Why go to OU and be required to lose 50lbs, when you can go to the SEC and play at your High School weight. Did anyone happen to notice how fat the Baylor O-line and D-line was?
Second thing we need to recognize is Stoops won with John Blake players. By making Blake players lose weight. The obvious exception was the addition of Heupel. We have not really competed for a National Championship since the loss to LSU. Yes we played other games, but we were overmatched by USC and Florida. Why they were bigger than us on the line?
Tiffany Byrd, the nutritionist has to go too. They are torturing the players. Let them eat what they want.
Which brings me to the front 7. They play to fill a gap. Which is okay if they attack the gap. We are passive and let the O take it to our guys. The D-line needs to attack and get up field. We used to have playmakers on the D-line and now we got guys who are just there. Then we need to recruit playmakers at middle LB. When is the last time you saw Alexander or Evans dominate a game. Has not happened ever. We used to have playmakers at that position Lehman, Calmus, Marshall, etc. Nobody on this D-line or LB could play on that 2000 team. Probably not even play on the 2008 team. Striker maybe.
The QB philosophy is the major problem on O. We used to have pocket passers. Maybe they occaisionally rolled out. But they could sling it from the pocket. Trevor is a nice kid. But not good enough thrower to play for OU.
O-line needs a little beef. Recruit for it.
The DB scheme obviously needs to go to bump and run. It was pathetic today. But having a pass rush also helps the DB’s out too. If they are not going to rush, then the outside LB’s need to quickly get up field to disrupt the passes out to the flats.
Kish and Bobby Jack Wright need to go on the D-side.
Norvell needs to go on the O-side.
You are right. We didn’t compete for a NC against Florida in 2008, with arguably the best college offense ever.
smh
we lost 24-14 to florida and should have converted 1 yd TD’s twice and couldnt do it. overmatched? and USC was a bunch of cheaters! lol good yes, but cheaters nonetheless..
Can’t say you are wrong because a lot of the thing’s you said are true only don’t give up on the player’s it’s the bad coaching on this team that is the problem
OU has bulked up on the offensive and defensive line. The ILBs are light in the rear because neither of those guys were big guys coming into the program and they’re still young. My criticism of the two ILBs is less about their size and more about their ability to snap their hips. That’s probably more indicative of the kind of lifts OU does as opposed to size.
You know what? After further review im not going to the schizo fan. Seasons change as do their results. disappointed? Yes. End of the world? No. College football is unpredictable until the ball is snapped. I may have had expectations for this team, but I’m sure not as high as the staff and players. My disappointment is nowhere near theirs right now. so all I have o say now is…’ Live on University!’
Good attitude!
A man with perspective!
Here’s the deal, we are all in this for life. It’s like having a kid that has a complete meltdown once and a while…you really dislike the actions, but you still love the kid. I always think about the players after a loss, they’re the ones that put the blood and sweat into the program, they’re the ones that are feeling the worst right now. I’m still proud as hell of my school and my team!
I really feel bad for them. They deserve better from the coaches and the fans. But so is college sports, well except for rowing, Just kidding, rowers work hard and needs love too…
And I know Sanchez was hurt by the fans walking off by the thousands today but I can guarantee him that that was a statement aimed at the coaches due to that pathetic defensive series in the third quarter. We all support the players.
We all love OU, but if they were not champions there would a lot fewer fans. Most go to the games expecting ENTERTAINMENT, and yesterday was as far from entertaining as anything I have ever seen. WE will see when Sanchez gets out of school and has to fork over money for all the xpenses it takes to go to games, come talk to me then. It almost takes a paycheck for a family of 4 to go to a game.
I went to all home games for over 20 years, then the ticket prices went thru the roof, I was on the road from Dallas for 6 hours, over $50 in gas, over 40 in food and drinks, that’s a lot of Entertainment dollars, not to be entertained. So I went out and bought a 65″ Mitsubishi HD TV and watched. Saved a huge amout on Entertainment dollars.
Another tough loss. I thing what frustrated me the most was that we didn’t make Baylor earn anything. Playing loose coverages, even when dropping 8, as well as giving the WRs free releases made it very easy for them to work the short comeback routes and short crossing routes. In a way it reminded me of the TCU game. Petty, like Boykin, was far too comfortable.
Mike needs some help in scheming for these offenses… or find another league in which to coach.
The game plan flat out stunk today, and the defensive game plan has been wack for most of the BIG 12 season. It’s like trying to run a zone offense vs. a man to man defense in basketball, and wondering why you aren’t doing very well. There is a disconnect happening in the program and Bob has to get it figured out…..quickly.
Speaking of scheme issues and possibly trying to hire guys from a school with a good secondary…why not go after an lsu assistant or at least work with them in the off season like we’ve done with Alabama and Nevada coaches.
I was thinking the same thing.
Corey wouldn’t leave LSU. If OU grabs two new defensive coaches, one of them needs to be a defensive play caller/x’s and o’s guy to help Mike out. Mike does some great things. Just needs some help. If they’re looking for strictly development guys that can recruit and really understand how to teach the position I wouldn’t mind them looking at Buckley at Louisville. Buddy of mine spent a lot of time with him at camp and knows quite a few DB coaches and really praised him.
Good piece w/o ranting (does no good) that summarizes much of the situation. Getting into the negatives ala firing someone does no good but we can talk about how to correct something. It is apparent that OUr DC is in over his head trying to defend spread offenses. As long as Bob is there, Mike isn’t going anywhere. Bringing in a top CB coach and LB coach who can integrate and game plan alongside Mike is a necessity or else we will see the same thing we have seen since Mike returned for the rest of his tenure. As it is, that 2nd half was like watching a helpless puppy being kicked over and over.
in all the analyses of secondary problems/coaching, never see any mention of bjw……..part of his title is cb coach
BBJ is definitely one of the people responsible.
Do you mean BJW? The only BBJ I can think if is Bob Barry Jr.
K, thanks for the thoughts/analysis, I was on the game thread for the “affair” (Can’t call it a game at this time). The frustrating thing is watching the D and O this year has been the lack of development and recognition of the staff as a whole. Hours spent watching and studying film day after a day, and seeing “meh” on the field is flat out disheartening. I went to the store after the game in my OU hoodie (always a Sooner), and had Illinois fans feeling sorry for me.
Just can’t grasp after all the staff planning etc. that the product that was on the field was that woeful for the Crimson and Cream….
Boomer?
Illinois fans! Now that hurts….but then again they do know misery and are probably enjoying the company.
Yes, yes they do know mediocrity 🙂 And i work on their campus 🙂
So……I hear our Basketball team should be good this year.
Fire Kruger!! Lol. Sorry couldn’t resist….
They really need Thomas to be eligible, or I’m afraid they are going to struggle to live up to expectations this year.
Are they EVER going to rule on this or did I miss it??!
Yep. Went to the exhibition game. We have scorers and buddy can get to the rack when he wants to, but no dominating inside presence/shot blocker.
Michigan state getting torched by the bucks. Both times they have faced spread teams they have gotten torched. Not trying to excuse the crap we saw today on defense but what coach out there that faces spread teams regularly shuts them down?
It’s not about getting smoked. It’s about how you get smoked. Lots of teams are going to have bad defensive performances. Alabama has had plenty. But it’s about having a defensive identity that overall is effective and recruiting to it. Everyone knows TCU has a good and consistent defense but they struggled badly in the 4th quarter against Baylor. MSU has a good defense but they also struggled badly in the 4th quarter against Oregon. A final note: I don’t think most people really appreciate how far down the board MSU and TCU recruit. MSU comes down to Texas and offer guys that no one in Texas wants.
I see what you are saying but smoked is smoked to me, lol. Do you think our D will change any when we get more players to fit this 3-4 style? Seems to me we have guys who fight admirable by are ultimately playing out of position.
Smoked isn’t smoked to me. I want to see a team compete. Someone beats you against tight coverage then props to him. Watching a defense give freebies isn’t hard to watch.
I get tired of giving up 3rd and short every single time. Just run up the gut, go left or right of Phillips, whatever gap he is not in and run over our LB. I cannot recall OU hitting a guy and that guy going backwards. Seems like RB hits LB and fall forward for another yard or two.
The. I watch the Boz show and watch how we used to attack back then and how he would just crush people!! Need a clone of that dude!! We need some size at ILB.
Hate to say it but your points about TCU and MSU defenses are dubious.
k st is 16th in the country in scoring and in garbage time just now got to 20. i’d say that’s a pretty good defense
The Big 12 title is probably between TCU and Baylor. I haven’t looked at their schedules yet. What does everyone think?
tcu has at kansas at texas vs isu
bay has vs ok st neut tt vs k st
tcu ain’t losing again but i don’t think baylor will either, so i guess baylor would take it because that would mean they would beat k st to make it a 2 team tie. that’s my view of it
Thanks, it looks like Baylor controls their own destiny. I guess their qb was correct when he said they were ready for OU. smh
based on what? They are two of the most sound schemes in the country and are very well respected by coaches all over the country. They don’t get the best players but they do a good job of putting them in a position to compete every year.
Kendall Thompson starting for Utah
nice! Good luck to him!
x1000
Nice scoring drive by Thompson. Good throws, good run, and a nice option play for the score.
I like the option call, but the Utes defense is going to have to play lights out.
Ummm…not like that….
Didn’t take long.
Is their OC available? (couldn’t resist) 🙂
and their DC after the last 2 plays 🙂
I concede. I’ve stayed away from the staff change conversation all year, but after today I can’t continue to act like “all is fine” with our coaching. I do not have any interest in Bob Stoops leaving, but it’s clear (as K pointed out) that something/someone needs to change.
K, excellent job of explaining what we have (in personnel) and the issues at hand. Mike Stoops needs help with the 3-4.
Agreed Baylor made it look like it was 7 on 7 out there
Yep. Baylor is good, no argument there, but we made them look much, much better.
We have a habit of making everyone look better. Tyrone Swoopes looked like a stud against us. This defense is just a sad shell.
“sad shell” great name for emo band, a defense not so much lol
Ditto
Thanks SK! And I agree…I’m NOT at all in the camp of wanting to see coach Stoops leave. I think he’s a great coach but he’s also a guy who trusts his staff A LOT. For example, OU has one of the few staffs that allows their coaches to make offers unilaterally. At Oregon the entire staff has to watch each player. At Ohio State, coach Meyer has to watch every player. I personally like coach Stoops way of doing it. But he’s got to make sure he’s got guys he can fully trust to implement his vision and identity on both sides of the ball. And I think they’ve got to get better in certain areas at skill development. But it’ll take a lot to put me in the “fire Stoops” camp.
Yeah, it’s going to take a number of 4-loss or worse seasons before Bob is forced out. But he needs to feel some heat for this loss/season. I keep hoping he’ll implement change, but these kinds of losses are one of his attributes going back to the 2002 OSU beatdown in Stillwater – which oh by the way, Mike was our secondary coach then too. I guess this one falls under the “WTF?” column because I don’t think anyone saw this coming.
TCU is blowing away Kansas State. Didn’t Patterson make a couple of coaching changes this year? It looks like TCU or Baylor will be the top dogs in the big 12 this year.
Sunny Cumbie (sp?) i think on the O side
thanks
What’s the latest on Trevor’s injury?
K, is there any precedence on a loss like this for a team and what it does or doesnt do to recruiting? aTm doesnt seem too affected by their embarrassing losses. The optimist in me says some kids might look at this as a reason to come and start early? That sounds a little delusional I know but still…go Kendall Thompson btw!
Dang! You jinxed him….
There is bigger effect when you hirer and firer coaches….
Not K, but i’ll give my 2 cents anyway, early playing time would be the only selling point right now, but MS is showing his ‘zona style now, not his back in the day OU style, He will need help if we are going to keep and get recruits in
I think a lot of depends on the kid but the coaches have connections with their recruits and that’s hugely important. That trust allows them to explain the situation and help recruits understand how they fit. Remember OU isn’t defined by one loss…except to us maybe haha :).
3 losses to three conference opponents that have shown they are better (on the field anyway) is no bueno 🙂
Can’t argue with that! It’s definitely going to hurt but it would be the death of OU
Death not at all, a wake up call let’s hope so
Sorry meant to say “wont be” lol
OU has already died and been resurrected a couple of times. Here is to hoping we don’t see that again for another infinity.
and ban the alt uni’s too? 🙂 j/k I liked the white helmet and OKLAHOMA on the jersey
new uni’s are sweet. Should wear them all year, and wear “Traditional” ones 2-3 games a year. New ones look ‘traditional’ enough, especially when compared to everyone else’s new ones.. And yea, white helmet was badass. would like to see an all white uni..
Firer Jackson1006! ok will stop now. Lol
Looks like he tore something in his knee, poor dude
Love this site, first time poster. Be kind.
Super K. is 100000000% correct Soft coverage all day? However, when I saw that we had a 10 yard cushion on a 4th and 4, I nearly threw up. (I did a little) It appeared they played a prevent defense all day long. I’m sorry, but this isn’t OU defense. I don’t care about the ‘spread offense’, limited schollies, everyone has talent nowadays excuses. This is OU.
-The offense has zero identity. My game play for today would be simple. RUN. RUN. and Run some more. The best defense against Baylor is keeping that Offense off the field. Do not Put T.K. in stupid situations. Where was that Offense that I saw against Iowa State? Or West Virginia?
-Special Teams. Special Whaa?
-Conclusion: Something must change, and soon. There is a malaise/apathy creeping into the program. The fans see it. The media can see it. The question is: Does Bob Stoops see it? We aren’t headed toward the John Blake/Howard days, but I swear to you; when I watch OU these days, I notice Gary Gibbs on the side line.
There is a reason a lot of corporations and organizations don’t allow nepotism. Just sayin…
Maybe the question at hand is: Was the O for ISU and WV the aberation?
I don’t think so. They are our secret identity, since no one can figure out our true identity.
Clark Kent offense? 🙂
I have noticed against lesser teams, we go all out on offense/defense. The Baylor’s of the world? We get really, really conservative. Why?
Alabama, that seems like a big time aberration.
I don’t want Bob to leave, but I do want him to bring in a fresh face or two. Someone outside if his normal coaching tree. We need some fresh perspectives and ideas because at the moment this staff struggles mightily with the high powered spread teams or mobile qbs.
First of all, I tend to agree with some posters here saying that this team is better than their record. Oklahoma has upper-level talent and should be able to compete at the highest level against any team in the country. The coaches, most notably the OC and DC, are making it very clear that they do not know how to best utilize this talent. As a fan, I hate to see my team lose, but it is INFINITELY easier to see them lose knowing that they were beat by a better team. The thing is, there are very few teams that OU plays that are just obviously better talent-wise. Another notion I want to challenge is the idea that the Sugar Bowl last year was a fluke. For the players, it was NOT a fluke. This group of guys is capable of playing that way EVERY WEEKEND. If anything, it was a fluke performance from the coaching staff. That game we saw, both offensively and defensively, was a perfect example what these guys are capable of when coached properly. I hate it. I hate having to question coaches who have brought us fans so much happiness in the recent past. It’s obvious something needs to change. I’m not smart enough to know what that is, but it’s obvious.
Freaking Mariotta is F A S T!
I’m sure this is on here somewhere and I just keep missing it.
What’s the latest on Trevor’s injury?
was on his feet in the locker room and walked out of the stadium under his own power
Which means he will be out until the bowl game.
Shep was absolutely going to play today….right?
From everything I was told he was. Coach Norvell actually said he would definitely play as well. I think they expected him to and it just didn’t feel right for him in warm-ups.
yeah they showed he tried to make a grab in warmups and came up limping
Glad he didn’t play. He would have just made it worse. Freaking groin injuries are no joke. Not something you can rush, just like hamstrings; they take time and rest.
with hint of the possibility of playing next week at least that will be said in the presser
Not saying TK isn’t hurt… And I sure hope he is okay, but, wasnt this there m.o. last year too? TK was struggling, then went down with “knee” when he was apparently benched.. When Blake didnt absolutley light it up after 5 games or so…TK worked way back in and “knee” was no longer an issue.
I just wonder how much better Bell would have gotten at QB, if he would have been allowed to play all of last year, AND all of this year.
I heard he was walking around in the locker room after the game. That’s about the extent of my knowledge though.
So basically he was embarrassed and decided it would be less painful to just be carted off the field and go hang out in the locker room. Gotcha.
Utah WR just dropped the ball going into the endzone and Oregon returned it for a TD.
ugh so brutal
Stupid kids!
OSU 35 – MSU 24
MSU’s interior linemen don’t appear to be too good from the little bit I’ve seen.
would agree OSU is controlling LOS
They played well early but been on the field way too long..
i’ve heard that tune before 🙂
Yep cant keep them on the field forever.
agreed, just meant OUr team has that affliction at times 🙂
Yes sir….
4. Things
1. What happened to Mike Stoops? Since when was Mike a guy that plays scared and passive? This is not not the Mike Stoops that took us to national championship games. I am not completely sure if he doesn’t trust Talent or doesn’t have the talent that he says he has. If it is talent then quit finding big corners and start recruiting corners that can stinking cover. At the end of the day. Today was a coaching loss more than players and that astonishes me to say about Mike.
2. Julian Wilson is not a CB. The Tennessee game is the first time you saw this really come out. They abused him all night. Today he has a 6 yard cushion, which was 4 yards closer than he played the rest of the day, and can’t turn and run with a WR who just closes cushion and blows by him. Just unacceptable. Look Julian has worked very hard, he is a senior, he is a Oklahoma kid, but this is not a time for loyalty it is a time to put players on the field. Where is Dakota Austin, Stanvon Taylor, both guys that you trusted last year and all the sudden can’t make the field?
3. Trevor Knight is avg. I love the kid, his character, work ethic, and seems humble, but sorry this guy is a well below avg passer against any type of real defense. I know, I know the Sugar Bowl. But lets be real outside of running the ball that was his one good game last year throwing. Today Knight misses not 1, not 2, but 3 wide open TD passes. Now not only is he completing 50% of passes but he is throwing pick 6’s left and right. Not saying we give up on him, but Huepul has to find a way to use him effectively or move on. Not saying quit on the kid, but realize what you have and use him in those strengths.
4. As mush as the players made a ton of terrible plays the coaches did not put them in a position to win. Briles and his staff had his guys and have had his guys for 3 years now playing with a chip on their shoulder even with them being highly ranked. Something that Bob and his staff have not been able to do since 2007 season. I have loved some of the changes Bob and his staff have been willing to make, but obviously something is still a miss and needs to be figured out. Our coaches let these athletes down today.
Your point:
1. Agree
2. Respectfully disagree, put him bump and run, he’ll shine
3. agree
4. agree
I will take 3/4! LOL
Sorry i know this is weeks later. But what is it that makes you believe he will excel in bump and run? I just went back and watch a HS highlight real that was 5min long. only 2 plays were DB highlights, the rest were WR, and the two highlights were him playing off the WR not bump and run?
Call it a gut reaction, or just the eye test from what have seen thus far on the field at corner. He is not a fast twitch DB, appears to need the contact to establish position/feel that bump and run provides. My 2 cents…
Damn LSU’s CB’s are really good….
Yep. Press corners i bet….
and then some
Don’t look now but the Ohio State and Urban will again be topic of conversation.
indeed
“In hindsight, you’ve got to take your chances and you’ve got to tighten up and you’ve got to force them into making an accurate throw.”-M. Stoops
Reading what he has to say after this loss kind of pisses me off. You should be forcing him to make accurate throws the entire game! Isn’t that the point? If you’re letting him make easy throws then you aren’t doing your job and this embarrassment happens.
Yep, i saw that and thought…”thanks alot captain obvious” and while your at tell kid burrito (JH) to the run the ball to keep their O off the field
Lol
Also, “Give Baylor a ton of credit. The quarterback was really good and the receivers were really good.” They are good players but they didn’t have to be today. No pressure and no coverage makes life pretty easy.
Yes. I do believe they are the 7 on 7 champs of the world, oh wait that would be Oregon then Baylor.
and we would still be on the wrong side of the scoreboard
Sure wish there was a lot more foresight instead of hindsight….
I have not been this aggravated by a game since the texsa game last season….
Utah game: KT is out?
by the shot of him on sideline i guess so
Went down with a knee injury, or so it appeared.
well what a craptastic day
Yep.
Bama down by 3 …50 secs left
This could be the only thing that makes me smile, I really want bama to go down.
No wins or losses matter at this point to me….except for the ones remaining on OUs schedule.
I just love sec chaos.
bama lsu in OT
It’s going to be really hard for them to push for 2 loss teams in the top four at ESPN- but they will try!
OT. Shitty day is shittier.
Our lady’s soccer team is playing for the Big 12 championship tomorrow by the way…
well that is good news
We have a soccer team???
I’m sure you were just being sarcastic but here is my opportunity to plug the other hardworking kids and coaches on campus. Yes and they are Big12 runners up… oh by the way…there is also a Basketball team (men and women), softball, baseball, Volley Ball, rowing, track and field, Gymnastics (women are national champions), Wrassling, Tennis (who were also big12 champs), Golf ( who are playing lights out and also won a few championships) and a host of academic (non athletic) teams that are at the top. That interlocking O and U isn’t just represented by our football program. lol. Love my school…all of it… Boomer!
bama/lsu………for a change of pace, fun to watch a game that was mostly smash mouth vs the track meets……….msu at bama next week for cfb fans
To me, I’ve seen this from game 1. Something wasn’t right and I thought, oh first game not used to game speed and so on, but it kept being more obvious that this secondary was not what they said they were. I’m sorry but the coaches didn’t try and make changes/adjustments when they needed to early in the season. Super K, I totally agree that they should of put pressure early and often on Petty. We made another qb look like a Heisman finalist.
If I were the coach of this team, I would be playing a lot of the younger guys now so they will be ready for the bowl game and the season next year. This has been a disappointing season now, but I will be rooting for them to beat TT next week. We can’t take any team for granted.
Super K, I have a question; Do the coaches even look at what the other teams did to Baylor or do they think they are ok with doing it their own way?
Somewhere, in a dark corner of a living room in South Carolina, a former OU DC is quietly chuckling to himself……………….
Not with that defense he is throwing out on the field at Clemson….
Yeah but he bout doubled his salary @disqus_1MRKdHU2Tb:disqus
I don’t think professionally Brent wishes any ill will. Coaching is a revolving door with real world LinkedIn scenarios, never know when you might need to cross that bridge again.
A won’t go into detail asking how a coaching staff thought they could play 10 yds off recievers on 3rd and 4 or less all game long and have success. I won’t talk about a offense that seemed to go away from plays that worked extremly well the week before. And I really won’t get into how bad it is that we worked through the bye week, through at least half of last week, and all of this week on Baylor and this is the best that our coaching staff can come up with because I’m sure all these points will be well covered over the next few days and weeks. But I will say that if I was a reporter in a press conference and if so much as 1 of the OU coaches even hinted at it being a “lack of exucution” that cost OU the game I beleave I would stand up and punch them in the mouth. Maybe the most disappointing thing about all of this is it is bringing back a feeling in me that I haven’t felt since the mid to late 90’s where this kind of a game plan and result is not even suprising to me anymore. We were out coached from equipment manager to Head Coach and all the OU coaches should donate their checks to charity this week for that effort! SMH & Going to Bed!
Love Bob Stoops and all his done, but go watch The Boz on 30 for 30 and get that OU pride back. We’ll be back on top of the Big 12 next year. Go over the roster like I did and see the stars we’ll have.
We love the King 3 N Titles, but, so far, Bob hasn’t lost 4 games for three years in a row has he? DONT OVERREACT fanboy!
Exactly.
Switzer had three down years (81′ through 83′) and that was it. Switzer was at another level that Stoops rarely has ventured into.
I just think that the coaches are out of touch with modern football. The way offenses are these days you have to accept that sometimes you’re going to get beat, and just account for it in other ways. Offenses these days are designed to dictate to the defense. They’re largely timing-based, and they expect you to be in certain coverages and schemes…and when you are, they exploit weaknesses in those coverages and schemes. So you have to stop playing into their friggin’ hands by rushing 3 and sitting 10 yards back. That’s just brain-dead. To counter these offenses, you have to create chaos and unpredictability. You jam at the LOS to throw off the receiver’s timing. You switch coverages frequently. You change up blitzes, and create pressure up the middle…and you live off of turnovers. What these coaches are doing is what you did 15 years ago when you faced fast receivers. And that worked then. But they refuse to account for the fact that everyone on the field is fast these days. I hate giving up big plays, but at some point you have to just accept the fact that you’re going to get beat from time to time, and create enough confusion that it causes hesitation by the offense. Because hesitation means mistakes, and mistakes mean turnovers. And turnovers means stops and more opportunities for the offense. And that means wins. All I see from the coaches these days is fear. Fear of getting beat. Fear of making mistakes. Fear of taking risks. And that formula will lead even the greatest teams to 3-4 loss seasons. And that’s all we’ll see until these guys grow some cajones stop playing scared. There’s a sweet spot between aggression and out of control, but we’re not even aggressive. We’re just letting things happen and doing nothing to stop it. It’s flat out embarrassing and unwatchable.
Cheezy…………………..excellent !!
Conservativism is a cancer that has infected this entire program, from top to bottom, and these are legitimate concerns above about the game passing this staff by. In total.
I agree. But to me it even goes further than just being aggressive. It’s also about strategy. Spread offenses are designed to create space, because space is a defense’s worst enemy, since it’s impossible to cover the entire field. And that’s why this playing 10 yards off is so damn stupid. The more distance you give the receiver, the more you play into the hands of the spread. You need to limit the space you have to cover as much as possible. That means closing the distance between defenders and receivers. It means altering routes by forcing receivers towards the sidelines and using the sideline as an extra defender. You sure as hell can’t let WRs get into their routes unabated so that they can create even MORE space. And you can’t let them cut inside where all their blockers are. Push these guys towards the boundaries and use that to your advantage. What these coaches are doing is exacerbating the problem exponentially. I don’t get it. Seriously, you’re letting timing-based offenses get into their routes unhindered? Playing off also screws us in run defense because our back end defenders are pre-occupied with receivers so much that it starts to open running lanes. This is basic stuff here, and that’s what frustrates me. The coaches act like they’re befuddled by these basic concepts. And that just scares me.
Super K,
I do agree that playing press is a better approach..I don’t think you could do it all the time but should be used mostly….. But I guess my question is why is Sanchez not having the same issues with the exact same type of coverage??? Why isn’t he getting abused the same way…. We have athletic LB’s but they aren’t run stoppers, they get drug 2-3-4 yards… However, all in all, I know its not a popular thing to say but I still think there is alot of youth on this team… QB, DB’s, LB’s, RB’s, WR’s…. That is alot of youth in SKILL POSITIONS…. Maybe we expected more than what these young players were ready to do…. There is no excuse for this lose but I can say that OU had every change to beat TCU and K State and should have beat both of those teams…. This team isn’t far off, it was a bad day but not an end all that everyone seems to be making it out to be…. JMO
Sanchez is a smaller quicker DB. They tend to be able to close better. And Sanchez plays very aggressively. Sometimes too aggressive. Playing off or playing press…neither is “correct”. It’s about giving your players the ability to play how their comfortable. Julian is more comfortable when he’s able to feel the WR. So is JT for that matter. Most longer, bigger CBs are.
Super K………………..sorry but can’t agree with your synopsis. I believe this team is farther off than it has been in years. This team QUIT yesterday at the first sign of adversity ( TK’s pick) and gave it up when Honeymuff missed another FG. Young teams don’t improve to become better, older teams without some internal leadership and gameday flexible coaching moves…didn’t see either on the Sooner sideline yesterday. This group seems to think it is entitled to win because it is OU . Wrong attitude…….Teams that have been vanquished for so long by Sooner teams of the past smell blood and want a piece of this teams a**———–Baylor gots its piece yesterday and beat this team worse than it did in Waco. From somewhere, this group is going to have to find some leadership and confidence . I can live with a team losing because it got beat by a better team ; i hate to see OU lose when they simply lay down and quit trying.
I agree with you. This team just doesn’t have that attitude. I wonder in these players minds if they feel OU (from the President on down) is not really behind them. This Shannon, Mixon, DGB, Mayfield deal. Did OU do everything in their power to get these players eligible.? I just don’t know but something is totally askew. I know Bob won a national championship but when did OU win a Big 12 championship outright? Will this team be able to regroup and put their best foot forward? Even our field goal kicker has lost his swagger. Just a little rant but still wondering. Look forward to Bob’s presser.
That is 3 loses attributed to the coaches, by me. Don’t know if its a lack of fire or maybe there needs to be changes, but it is apparent that these coaches aren’t getting it done. It be nice to hear the HC at least admit it is 100% on him! I thought the Stoops brothers were defensive coaches? Also, the offensive staff is just pathetic, here is a tip…play to your strengths!
Frustrated Sooner. =/
If you think you feel bad now, just wait till the draft rolls around and you see just how much talent was wasted—-wasted—-by this coaching staff.
K,
Why do you think OU is playing the scheme it’s playing? If the players were executing at 100%, would it look any different? I know you don’t know the calls, but what advantages could possibly come from playing so far off?
Thanks
Go get Rex Ryan, pay him Bob Stoops kind of money.He will be propably be great recruiter and he definitely is a great defensive mind
Have the days of a coach being an in your face coach come and gone? It’s a little concerning when you have the HC and Def Coord both in it on the sidelines with a player. I worked for a guy that thought in your face motivation was the way to go, it was for a while, but eventually you just tuned him out. Wondering if that is what is going on here.
There has been something wrong on this team for a few years. I am not sure if it has been players that bring a bad culture to the team, coaching staff that can’t relate to the team or a combo, or something completely different.
45 unanswered points…that just sticks in my craw.
And at home?
Unacceptable, no excuse for that.
It was too much.. When we kept giving Baylor space to run their slant routes and did it over and over again, I knew my time would be better spent elsewhere. At least I get my weekends back. We need ALOT of help.
Well hell, at least we get a participation trophy.
Mr. Disgruntled
We need help in the OC and backfield. Heck, get two OCs like TCU.
We have two.. JH and Norvell are co-OC’s.
Remember, it was Blake’s players Stoops won with.
So, you’re on board with bringing back Blake as recruiting coordinator/D-line coach?
I guess he was a pretty good recruiter, but don’t really care. Does anyone know what happened to Blake. Stoops is always bragging about championships but I can’t remember when he won a Big 12 championship outright. Something has to change. I remember when Schmitty said this was the better group of players he has coached in the off-season. In my mind I am trying to figure out who are our Senior leaders on this team. I still don’t understand why Blake Bell is not a captain. Will Stoops come forward with an answer or will it be the same song and dance?
Last I heard of John Blake, he was NFL D-line coach, not sure if thats still the case or not.. and I was just joshing about him returning (though as recruiting coordinator, I wouldnt necessarily be against it..)
Bob’s last big 12 championship outright was 2008 I believe…
Not sure if Bell is captain or not..
Bell is not a captain.
That is strange..
That’s what I wondered. He probably gave up a life long dream to be an NFL quarterback because he seen the writing on the wall or Hepule (sp) indicated that Knight was going to be the man. Alas – Thompson got the word and transferred. Bell could have transferred but decided to stay with the team. Has the OU staff made the tight end a true option. Somebody help me where is the silver lining on OU football at the present time?
We’re not Texsa? lol
Thanks, I am happy now-maybe. Lol.
I know but he seemed to have that it factor with the recruits, just couldn’t coach. Wow didn’t realize it had been 6 years since our last Big 12 championship, now I am depressed.
Phil Bennett, BU’s DC, was Blake’s DC at OU. He helped bring in Roy Williams and Rocky Calmus.
I thought his name sounded familiar..
Would he be available for a change and up to a big challenge?
Doubt it. He turned down the Philly Eagles DC job for BU. He wanted to come home to Texas and was told he would always be the highest paid DC in the Big 12.
Actual Rex Ryan was Blake’s DC in 1998.
nooooooo
my point was; apparently, Stoops can’t recruit as well as Blake did, who couldn’t coach.
lol
Really @peabodythekat:disqus—who?
My question is what changed on defense between last year and this year. We finished in the top 25 in almost every defensive category last year with Mike Stoops as D coordinator. When Mike came in to replace Venables it all seemed to be working so well…what went wrong? What scheme changes were made that haven’t worked?
I’m not arguing that we are better or worse than last year on D, but I really hate comparing team defensive stats. First, the only thing that really matters is some form of effeciency. Meaning, how many possessions was your D on the field, and how many points did they give up. That really isn’t a stat that is kept, at least, not that I’ve seen. Second, when you compare team stats from around the country, it doesn’t take into affect the offenses you are facing. I’d expect SEC and Big 10 D’s to rank higher, b/c the offenses in those leagues aren’t very good. I’d expect the teams that play 3 cupcakes OOC to have better D stats than a team that plays a more competitive OOC schedule. And I’d expect teams in the Big 12 and PAC-XX to have worse defensive stats b/c the better offenses reside in those conferences.
Also, when looking at points allowed on D, most stats don’t take out points that were given up by the offense (pick six) or on ST’s. Our O has given up quite a few points this year. I’m guessing our D really doesn’t look THAT bad if you come somehow come up with a good stat to compare either across the conference, or even nation-wide.
It’s hard to be a DC theses days especially in Big12. Tcu use to have a great defense not so much anymore they realized they need to score more. M. Stoops is having trouble figuring it out. He needs help. B. Stoops needs to use some of his salary to bring in some more help. I love my Sooners and hate to see them so lost!! I wish I could help them.
Getting spanked two straight to Baylor and at home is terrible. Very disappointed.
3 outta stinking 4. to Baylor. Cant we all just go back to when Baylor was bottom dwellers? lol
Lost my signal to the game, mercifully, with 12 minutes to go.
It was tough to watch the Sooners play so badly, both the calls the coaches were making and the performance of the players.
I expect the Sooners to win each game, I think we all do, so any loss is disappointing, but this one was just baffling.
I agree with Super K’s assessment, but what I don’t understand is why we couldn’t get to Petty even when we sent 7.
The booing at the game, I agree with what Sanchez had to say and I also have to wonder what the effect may be on the recruits attending the game. The players confidence was shaken already and losing the confidence of the fans only compounded their performance.
The Sooners have 3 games remaining and I expect them to play hard and win for pride, a bowl game and for next season.
This will be tough. So is life. One day you won’t be able to see this in your rear view mirror. I think the most baffling thing for me is the lack of imagination in the play calling. I can think of three things we can do when we run the bubble screen that would spring big plays. But we settle for the five yards at a time.
Like a kidney stone, this too shall pass. 🙁
I actually think the play calling is imaginative. A lot of times when it only goes for 5 yards it’s because someone didn’t do it right. Witness the sweep to Quick, if he takes one step to the outside there’s a lane, and it’s a huge gain. Instead he ran up the back of Ford in front of him and it was only a 5 yard gain. Same thing with the run that sprang Ross near the goal line, if he cuts left without hesitation, it’s a td instead of 3rd and 1. I could list a whole bunch more. I can remember the days when you could take it to the bank that the first play of the game, and sometimes every drive would be running back up the middle. Now you have no idea what it will be. There were many well designed plays in this game that should have gone for nice gains, but didn’t, or did and got called back for a penalty.
My guess Tex, is that we couldn’t get to Petty even when we sent 7, because of the 7yd cushion the db’s were giving. Petty could see blitz coming, and he had easy outlets because the receivers were never being jammed at line. Jam those wr’s, even just a little, and Petty gets hit in the face with the blitz.
The booing i’m usually totally against, but in this case, I think it was totally directed at the defensive coaches decisions to continuously play 7yd cushions, and so I was okay with it. It was a disgusting defensive alignment to watch, and I think the fans know it, and have wanted to voice their displeasure about it all season, and Saturday it just came to a head…
I sure hope the players dont take it as they were being booed, because I truly believe they were not.
3 games left. Let’s win em all! Play someone like Mich St. in bowl game, and getting our recruiting pumped back up..
I think we all know why and to whom the fans were booing, it still washes over the players. The fans leaving the game early is just so…Texsa.
well hell, the fans leave even when we’re winning! lol I get your point though tex. Booing is overall not a good thing for program… and probably does mess with the players, and recruits.
I agree, just wish someone comes up with an answer real quick. I bet Texas Tech and KK are licking at their chops. If OU loses in Lubbock it will get real, real ugly.
If we lose to tech everyone should be gone. That would be so sad. It’s 9am and I feel like drinking now.
If we don’t have 600 yards rushing against Taco Tech I will be amazed.
Honest question. What kind of game to you expect from us going to Lubbock? Any thoughts? Think we’ll struggle? I always “assume” we will kick crap out them, but that seems to rarely happens, especially down there..
I expect a very p***ed-off team that plays with abandon on defense and a punishing run game on offense.
OU has problems, Taco Tech is a disaster.
I would like to see that very much.
EasTex,
I would expect that after that performance yesterday. The coaches haven’t made adjustments all season long. I will say IMO some of these db’s are not very good and if they went and played press coverage they would get beat or they are not ready the short route very well. From here on out these coaches need to change a lot of things to make this team better. I would like to see J. Thomas, S. Parker, H. Byrd start next week. It won’t hurt nothing and maybe let the defense loose. I’m frustrated more than anything with this team because they showed they could play with teams. I think as fans we need to see improvement from all areas. We got a dose of humiliation today from a team we owned for a long time.
I found it quite revealing that it was Wilson that consistently got torched.
It could have been on Wilson or it could have been the offensive formation or both. If Wilson played up they beat him deep, if he played off they moved the sticks.
BU had a simple plan and executed it well. As much as I hate to give those Waco Wackos any credit, I grudgingly have to.
What you just said and I think we both know that Wilson is not very good at all and the backup that we have the coaches don’t trust him enough to play in front of him. I would of played Jordan Thomas and let him get as many reps as possible. I think to a point the coaches loyalty with some of the players kills this team. Wilson imo is just a average player and it shows. Let’s get some of these freshmen some playing time and get them ready for next year.
One cannot be happy with the level of play by Wilson at CB but remember he had a quality year starting at safety this year. Moving him to CB tells me that the talent at CB was much worse than Wilson and playing him at CB is because he is the best available CB. Otherwise he would be at safety instead of A. Thomas.
I only read the transcript of what M.Stoops said about needing to be able to play tight coverage, but I think it may be open to a slightly different interpretation than everyone seems to be giving it. I’ll wait and see if there’s any clarification going forward.
I believe Wilson was playing against a top NFL prospect. At least in press coverage, he had a chance to be successful. I was at the game and I don’t think any corner was allowed to press more than a handful of plays. When you allow a high caliber receiver come off of the LOS untouched, then it’s going to be a long, long afternoon.
EasTex,
There is alot wrong with this team. They need to figure out what they want to do the rest of the season and start preparing for next. We can say that both Wilson and the coaching staff just didn’t adjust when they had time at halftime. But this has been going on all season. This just didn’t happen overnight. They have been playing off all season long. I believe we have talented guys but they just aren’t being coached properly IMO.
I disagree, there are some issues that need to be addressed, but I don’t think there is a lot wrong.
I’m not a coach and don’t presume to know as much as the OU coaches do about their profession or about their players.
Those who panic are lost.
I think we are seeing this from two different view points and we both might be right. We can assume at this point that the team have issues some minor and some major that need to be corrected immediately or in the near future. Let’s see what kind of game plan they come out with and see if they learned from what happened last weekend. EasTex, I know some that are in panic mode and I’m not one of those. I want to find a solution or understand why we did what we did against Baylor and we probably never will.
I expected that against Baylor after getting kicked by them last year too. Still waiting…
EasTex…………Have to disagree about TT… OU is fixing to get pounded in Lubbock. This malaise is not going away in a week and the problems with the schemes on both sides of the LOS remain. Without TK—and playing with a young, inexperienced QB–expect TT to blitz all day long. And ‘nickle & dime OU to death when the sand pirates have the ball. I believe you can expect TT to score every bit as many pts as Baylor. whether OU scores more than yesterday remains to be seen. This team is in a freefall with only one team left on the schedule I think it can beat : Kansas.
Closer than it should be.
Too many unknowns right now. Is TK gonna play? Is Shepard gonna play? Any other injuries? Has the team “checked it in”, or do they want to finish strong?
My same feelings, will 600 yards be enough? Just kidding-I think.
The booing wasnt aimed at the players, it was aimed at those Million dollar coaches that were playing our CBs 10 yards off the line and letting Petty pick us apart 5-8 yards a pop all the way down the field and we made NO adjustments. When did we get so football dumb? Seriously, it seems like the Stoops bros football IQ is about a 2. Other teams gave us the blueprint of how to defend the Baylor O (pressure) so we decide to drop 8 most of the day? 52% Petty had 76% completions against us. Its beyond ridiculous how poorly coached this team is. Gameplan was horible, still cant get lined up, dumb penalties, bad QB play, how do you have 12 men on the field on a 4th and 1 AFTER a timeout?!!!! Heads need to roll. Im tired of watching these same mistakes week after week after week. Sorry for the rant, just frustrated beyond belief..
Amen brother, AMEN!
Just how on earth would players listening to that awful, traitorous sound be able to discern to whom it was directed? That’s ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.
Probably because players are not stupid. Hence Wilson’s reaction after the first series of the second half.
That was the one thing I didn’t do yesterday is boo. I just stood up there in disbelief thinking where were the adjustments. Nothing was done to stop what that offense did. I was actually yelling at Mike and the sidelines to play press coverage but he didn’t listen of course on Baylor’s opening drive.
Booing? Actual booing? We are NOT TEXAS.
I was at the game. I stayed until about 1:30 left in Q4 when BU went to the victory formation. I boo’d – boo’d the coaching staff for not putting the players in a position to be successful. I boo’d the coaching staff for not doing their homework by just dusting off an old unsuccessful game plan. And, I boo’d a head coach that accepts a $5.2M salary while consistently delivering sub-par recruiting classes, getting out coached, and letting this program go into decline.
No, I don’t expect a National Championship every year, but I darn sure OU to be in the national title hunt every in mid-November. We have been paying top 5 money for a long time now and our trajectory looks more like a glide path than a flight plan.
This season was hopefully going to be a major step back to OU prominence on the national scene, instead the program has taken yet another step backward. I really feel for the players. They bust their butts and from what I can tell they do the right things – go to class, generally good citizens, and care about OU.
Bummer
Well, for those of you that want the Big 12 to survive long term, you might just get your wish. IF the Baylors and TCU’s of the world are rising to the top of this conference, how the hell could we ever jump ship now?
1. We can’t let them rise to top, and “stay there.” We have to get our cajones back and pound them into submission first.
2. Who the hell would want us now, when we arent even the cream of the crop in the Big 12?
3. OU (already did) and Texas (should now) want new blood in conference to beat up on, and take focus off of them falling, and take focus away from the TCU’s and Baylor succeeding. So, lets just expand, and everyone will be talking about that for some time, while we can regroup to dominance!
OU can put up ten 9-3 seasons in a row and EVERY conference would be jumping at the chance to be associated with the Sooners. Colorado has been horrible Pac-12 took em, A & M has been average to bad SEC took em. OU will always be wanted.
That post was more in jest than anything else. I love the tradition we have, and I’m still glad to have the head coach we have. I just want to see our conference expand, and us kicking arse again! lol
Noooooooooooo! not the B1G, we would be the lost power house like Nebraska has turned into.
But we wouldnt be lost, because we could resume playing them every year… lol woo hoo!
we are becoming that now…
Mike really has to be a MORON with what he said and Wilson hasn’t been worth a Pile all year. TK does not fit the OC and the only part of this team that are elite are the running backs. For over 5 years this head coach has not found anyone that can get 1 yard when needed!!!! The common thread for the time period is BOBBY STOOPS!!!!
Exaggerate much?
Please give me your football insights!!!!
Wow, I cannot express how
disappointed I am in all the reactions here and on other message boards. Yes,
that was a really bad loss. I know there is a lot of frustration and most
people just want to ventilate it (and rightfully so), but come on guys. Leaving
before the game ends? Booing? Some people might shoot me down for this, but that
is on us fans, no matter how bad we played. I know we expect championships and
nothing else, but I think WE could also do a better job of supporting our team
in such games.
Do you really think firing some or all of the staff is going to
change anything for the better? And like someone else already mentioned: who is
going to replace them (that is a realistic option as well)? Just look around
the country and see how all of the other MAJOR programs did with their coaching
hires. I’d say we are still in pretty good shape.
On top of that, I am not as
worried about the ‘up and coming’ schools either. They might have some recent
success, but I doubt it is going to last. Most of the A&M’s, Tech’s, Baylor’s,
etc. are built on a bubble. One small change/incident and it will collapse. I
actually think OU is one of the few schools with a solid foundation that will lead
to success. Yes, this is a disappointing year, but I am not worried about our
future at all.
Well said.
Nick, well said. When you make changes, expect production to decline before it improves. I challenge everyone who left the game to show up at the team’s practice this week with a sign that reads “we’re sorry.”
I live in Ohio and can’t get to the game. I sure wish I could. That remains on my bucket list.
I can appreciate your supportive effort but you lost me with the closing sentence……..
Landry will be a sr next year.
Totally lost me with the last sentence.
Completely agree Nick. Yes, We are OU and we expect nothing but championships but realistically you can’t win every game every year. No one does. Very few schools have had the consistency we’ve had during Stoops tenure here. Calling for his firing is pure stupidity and overreaction. I’m no pro but I don’t have a problem with our entire staff coming back next year. I think we’re very young and should only get better. I completely agree with what’s been said by Super K about our DB’s. No clue why Stoops hasn’t made that change yet. It’s troubling YES! If we can win the final 4 games by playing dominant defense, we may be able to bring in some of our top recruits. That’s the concerning thing to me right now. All the negativity around our program this year about unmet expectations can’t help our recruiting.
Three, four or five losses (possible OSU and bowl game) by a team projected to contend for the playoffs and preseason ranked #1 will hurt recruiting tenfold than any fan negativity. Besides any recruit that would go elsewhere because of post on a message board or fans leaving the game too early is too sensitive to play D-I football at any top program.
I agree with you that the preseason expectations vs the reality of 3 losses with 4 games left is the biggest negative, not what some fan posts to a message board. I doubt recruits are reading those (could be wrong). Because we are OU and we have a history of competing at the highest level, we should never be content winning 9-10 games each year and going to a decent bowl. We should be disappointed when we’re not playing for the national championship. But winning 9-10 games each year is exceptional especially doing it year in and year out. I just disagree with the people who boo, leave the game early and are calling for coaches to be fired.
That being said, yes, if certain coaches are negatively impacting our overall ability to win games, develop players and recruit players, then maybe we need to move on. That, I guess is what we’re all debating here. I like our young team and would like to see them continue to develop over the next year or two. It is alarming that our coaching staff (which is very experienced) seems to be making mistakes and either fails to make obvious adjustments or fails to stick with what’s working.
Nick, I agree, there doesn’t need to be a FULL coaching change, but somethings need to change. And on the people leaving, I sat in the cold rain when Tech beat us a few years back and stayed until it was all over. Did at this game too, but when you watch the coaches give up, some of the players give up, and show no fight, swagger, or will, I can’t blame some for leaving. I was close to leaving myself. It was the most pathetic game I have seen from sucha talented team, and for the most part coaching staff that is talented as well.
Have had season tickets since 1961 and have watched through Gomer Jones, Gary Gibbs, Howie and Blake. I may have missed a dozen games in 53 years. For better than a decade I drove from Kansas City and then Fort Wrth to every home game. I am more than entitled to leave early and eliminate the frustration I experience watching a team that consistently does not play up to its abilities.
Leaving early is my means of telling the university, the coaches and the players my disappointment with the product they are putting on the field and that it needs to be fixed. Of course, I have the option of canceling my season tickets and it will be come a consideration with the increase in price and donation when the stadium improvements are completed in 2016. When the entertainment does not exceed the cost you spend your money elswhere. I would not be surprised to see a lot of empty seats for the Kansas game. For certain Memorial Stadium will not be full despite being a sellout.
I’ve never been as embarrassed at the way the team played before yesterday. I could grind my teeth and understand it when we were horrible in the Blake era. I could even stomach the beatdown by USC in the Orange Bowl, because it was STACKED with talent.
There is no excuse for yesterday. You don’t get blown out, at home, by anyone. The boos only started when the defense just let Baylor nickel and dime their way downfield without even putting up a fight. That is humiliating.
It wasn’t just the defense, however. I’m getting pretty sick of having an OC that utilizes the run game to get points, then forgets all about it for the remainder of the game to lean on the passing of a QB that is never going to be a passing QB.
Changes need to be made? You’re damn right. Mike needs help. I don’t know that Heupel needs to call another play at OU, and if we’re losing the war in Texas recruiting, there is no reason to have Bobby Jack Wright on the staff any longer. It’s time to clean house.
Oh M Gee……….the sun came up right on time and that’s saying something after the eclipse we all saw yesterday. Not one okielite fan texted me yesteday probably because they’ve got their own issues.
Mike Stoops has some changes to make philosphically. Fundamental changes to contend in this league.
BOOING is just wrong, never done it and never will. This isn’t the NFL.
I wonder if coming down out of that damn box would help JH.
certainly wish JH would at least try.. And good point about the booing. This is not NFL (though the HC gets paid like it..)
I looked over the game, and there was nothing wrong with the play calling. JH actually called a really good game. Every series he dialed up well designed plays that were open for big gains, and when those were botched, he often dialed up another one. These were all plays that are easily within the ability of this offense.
I’ll never agree with running for one yard out of pistol formation. Especially to the point that we do. To do it every once in a while, to change it up, and try and fool a defense, sure. But to run pistol formation, for 1 stinking yard, every single time we go for 1 yrd with a run, ridiculous. But yea, there were a lot of other plays that were good calls, and not executed. agreed. Still would like to see him try the sideline..
I assume you saw the 3rd and one, last game with Trevor under center and the “I” formation. I know we disagree on this but the same thing happened there. It’s not the formation. This offense has no trouble running for excellent yardage out of the pistol, short or long downs. When you let two or three defenders into the backfield, it doesn’t matter what the formation.
I actually didnt see it. I had to listen on radio last week! lol But I sure know we ran a helluva lot better last week overall when we were mixing up the formations. And yea it was ISU, and BU is much better, but I just feel mixing formations up gives us better chances to pick up nearly any yardage situation. But you are absolutely correct that there were many good calls yesterday and missed opportunities.
Ok, here’s what happened: we had a 3rd and 2 near the 50 yd line. Ran out of the pistol and gained one yard. Then on 4th and 1 ran out of the I, and allowed a defender into the backfield for a 2 yard loss. So using that series I could argue that the pistol is more effective. 🙂 Seriously, though, this allowing two or three defenders into the backfield on 3rd and 4th down and short has got to stop.
OU’s first play was well designed and just a bad throw by TK, just a little off. I felt then that might be how the day would go, just a little off.
Had Bell been able to catch it in stride and start us off with a big play it could have set a different tone for the game.
no kidding. In the first Q alone there was a play for Quick, and if he hadn’t been held it would have been a huge completion. Then Bell open in the back of the end zone, which misfired, came right back with the call to Durron for a td. The tone could easily have been quite different.
JJ, I agree. Booing is unacceptable. That’s quitting, in my opinion. We wouldn’t tolerate that from the coaches or players. No double-standards, please. I will never give up on any OU team. When I die, bury me with something OU.
I admit it, I booed! It was aimed at the coaches not the players though. And we did tolerate quitting…the players did quit in the 2nd half.
I think few here have jumped ship? Still a fan.
However, I am faced with the real possibility of a 5 loss season. (bowl game)
Hell, if they don’t play better, six, if Taco Tech has a mission.
rats
On to Lubbock!
Super K, am I wrong to be bothered by Mike yelling at Julian after Baylor’s TD on the opening drive of the 2nd half. Apparently, at the post game media session, MS said Julian couldn’t tackle and if you can’t tackle you shouldn’t be out there. Well, who put him out there? Who made him play soft, 10 yards off the line?
Having been yelled at by Drill Sargents when I was 21, I don’t mind seeing 21 year olds being yelled at when they deserve it. But this time I think MS was mad at himself and took it out on Wilson.
it was a tag team effort with the stoops bros……..
Rene, I too was yelled at by drill instructors, MS and BS looked like green a$$ 2nd Louie’s out there and were outclassed by Bears’ staff in all facets of the game
No you’re not wrong. I’m tired of it. If your 5th year seniors are making a mistake then you either a) aren’t running the right defense/alignment or b) you aren’t developing well enough because you’ve got 7 CBs sitting the bench behind him.
I’m really sick of these coaches going off on players on the sidelines. When you play in fear of a bi-polar coach exploding if you make a mistake it’s just a death spiral.
Not disagreeing that there are issues on the defense. But the results of the first half were live-withable especially when you consider, the crushing roughing the punter penalty, when it should have been OU’s ball again.
Offensively the game plan and play calling were fine. Way, way too many errors on pretty much every possession.
The int and personal foul were devastating, and the missed FG was deflating to the team and fans. I could hear the air being sucked out of the stadium on my sound system.
What I am looking for in the next 3 games (Texas Tech , Kansas, Okie State) besides a victory of course, is for the OU coaches not have one or two unexplainable time outs. Is there a college course called ” Timeout 101 Management”? Maybe our coaches need more money so they can enroll in it. smh Has anyone heard anything about OU’s 400 million dollar renovations? Just wondering.
Timeouts have seemed to me to be much better managed the past 2 games (now they’ve moved on to getting 12 men penalties after to’s, lol!). I mean, you do have to use them..
Exactly. the timeout issue is way overblown.
Not sure that you have to use them but when you do use them you better use them right or so it would seem. I guess it’s one of those things that might be discouraging to the coaches and players. I always felt if you correct and eliminate the small petty mistakes the larger mistakes will take care of themselves. Sorry about all the use-ems!
The timeout thing to me is a non-issue.
You mean calling a time-out and still can’t get the right number of people on the field is not a problem? I don’t agree.
No, the meme about calling timeouts, as though they aren’t supposed to be used ever.
oh, I see. I just want OU to use the timeouts in a more positive way. Of course it would be nice to never use a timeout in a perfect world or game. My example would be to get your field goal kicker in with 2 seconds left on the clock for the game winner, instead of using a timeout because our coaches are arguing or the OC keeps changing his mind.
I’m just thankful football doesn’t have 50 timeouts each like basketball.
The last 2 minutes in a basketball game can last for 15-20 minutes. No way we lose to Texas Tech-do you feel that way? My next door neighbors are huge, huge Okie State fans. He raises his OSU flag, OSU helmets and banners hanging everywhere, I’m trying to figure out how much money to bet on OU. Two teams I despise the most Okie State and Texas shorthorns.
I’m not concerned with Taco Tech or Kansas.
With Bedlam I shouldn’t be but it is Bedlam.
They only used 3 of the 6 timeouts available to them.
1. Goal line, 3rd down, one of OU’s substitutions does not go out on the field, only 10 men. Perfect use of the timeout.
2. Two minutes left before the half, desperately needing a scoring drive, two timeouts left, perfectly ok to use one to adjust the play for the defensive formation.
3. 4 and 2 in the fourth quarter, timeout to pull the punt team off the field and set up going for it on 4th down. Again, perfectly good use of timeout.
Ended the first half with one timeout in their pocket. Ended the second half with two unused.
Non-issue.
That’s what they need. I thought OU (stoops and Kish) were arguing in a game before and had to burn a timeout, and several times in games before OU had to burn timeouts. I’m not just talking about the last game with Baylor. Did OU have 12 men on the field at one time, not sure if they had to burn a timeout or had just called one in the game with Baylor. But Bob agrees the timeout issues are no problem if they were he would say ” so what “. The only thing that bothers me is OU has been looking forward to this Baylor game for a long time and just did not perform. There is an underlying problem somewhere and I wish I was smart enough to figure it out.
My view is that Bob is very direct about stuff and if he thought it were a problem, his answer would be, “it’s an issue and we’ll deal with it.”
Oh I know it man. Was just mocking Bob when he was answering Hoover (Tulsa World) when the fans were booing and walking out. And no I don’t like Hoover-cancelled my subscription.
OU did not call a time out there. They probably should have.
then became apathy that is a cancer to a program, small consolation but at least booing is better than silence, b/c silence is apathy
The defensive issue showed up early…even when we were winning. Just because Petty missed two early hitches, what we knew is the plan was to play drop and off coverage and pressure only a little. We’ve all been around the Big 12 long enough to know that’s a losing formula. In fact one of the most telling moments was early in the game on a 3rd and 7 when OU chose to play off and drop and Baylor completed an easy comeback route.
I understand what you’re saying. They also allowed a long grinding drive in the first quarter, but got a stop when they needed to and held for a field goal. I do think you are misstating the plan, though. I believe the plan was to show many different looks, rush, not rush, get in the lanes, etc. in an effort to throw him off and keep him from knowing what to expect. Your version puts a pretty negative spin on it. I understand why you’re saying it, but I don’t think they just decided, “hey, let’s use a losing formula.”
I’m sure they expected Baylor to make a number of plays, but if the first half was any indication, the plan was to get a few key stops, which they did. The other half of that was that the offense needed to score. That worked out well in the first quarter only.
How many passes did Baylor complete to start the 2nd half? Of course Baylor said hell if you are going to keep giving us 8-10 yards we will take it. Take one of those timeouts and try something different.
No argument that the defense starting the second half was completely ineffective.
I keep sounding like a broken record but something is askew at OU and I look for the coaches and players to get it worked out. I don’t want to wait till next year.
All considered, it was the laydown in the fourth that galls.
Peabody ……….the ‘laydown ‘ started 2 quarters earlier. The game was over before halftime.
Another thing that bugged me was the illegal substitution penaltyon 3rd and 4 that gave Baylor a first down. And this was on the heels of a timeout.
Then you have Bob saying he thought everybody knew he wanted the return on, not to try blocking the kick on the roughing play. Now he has headphones and a microphone to talk with other coaches. Why doesn’t everybody know?
Then there was the poor execution of the 2 minute drill.
Put this with Josh’s problems getting plays in before the clock runs down and you wonder if the coaches practice doing their jobs.
What I don’t understand on that play or any time you end up with anything but 11 players on the field is…aren’t there GA’s or someone in the program who can count the numbers? On top of all that these players just didn’t prepare and the coaches didn’t prepare them well enough for this game.
Exactly – but, as many commenters point out – because of nepotism chains, ain’t no coach named Mike or Josh gonna git fired (or demoted) over the weekly Charlie Foxtrot on these issues.
Expect the same mistakes in Lubbock, by the same coaches.
Unless . . . the big money donors have a heart-to-heart with Joe C. and David B. Maybe go nuclear – threaten to pull stadium expansion funding.
I am far, far removed from such things, just wild speculation on my part.
My advice is worth what you paid for it, if that.
Most of my friends have already cut out donations but until the six figure and higher donations get involved, I don’t expect much change.
Every program goes thru some “lean” times. It might take a OC/DC change, but it will get better. Telling myself this over and over seems to help my mental state.
I agree with you. However, I am not sure Bob can get rid of either. Is he going to fire his brother? Is he going to fire Heupel whose sister is married to Boren’s son? Both of those are really tough fires. More in the area of find them a job elsewhere. Well, Heupel’s probably not going to be too much in demand after some of the mediocre performances this year and Mike has probably already had is shot.
Here is the question nobody want’s to think about what if we lose next week if that happen’s the wheel’s just might start coming off this sooner schooner it will be ugly
And what will change? MS will still be the DC and unless someone offers him a head coaching job (smaller type school; SMU?), JH will still be OC.
Connie usa i repect your view’s but big game bob day’s at ou are numbered there is a hungry young coach at alabama named kirby smart watch alabama play defense and look at all that defense talent that’s going to play on sunday we can you a coach that has fire like him there is a reason that alabama is paying him one million dollar ‘s a year one he is good two alabama is worried some big time program is going to take him away
For the longest time, I’ve been a BS supporter. NOW, I think OU needs to make a change to get over the hump. BUT, I’d be shocked if they fired BS. Only way he leaves if it’s on his own.
Yes but kirby smart is like a young nick saban ,and bob stoop young talented coaches don’t come along a lot ou need to think after yesterday there is no way anybody can say this program doesn’t have serious problem’s
supposedly, he has a very hefty buyout
The guys a troll, he has been pumping the fire Stoops/look at Bama line since his very first comment using a different name.
But eas tex who is winning the chapionship’s it ‘s alabama also what about all the ex player’s who are taking shot’s at the program you going to call billy sims the boz tony jefferson troller’s because they also called out the program
Still trolling even with a new name, I see.
Eas tex then tell me why you don’t think the program is going in thr wrong way how bad does it have to get before you say okay we need a new direction come on eas tex you are smarter than that
……..standings……….remember the preseason……. we are now unranked and tied for 6th with the pukes!
………bowls…….assuming we win out……….noticed that the lesser bowl tie ins would probably hook us up with sec or pac12………the way cfb is going this yr, the opponent could be a pretty salty team
Really what bowl game might that be the toilet bowl game
in your world worth for it is what the bowl name irrelevant is it’s possible quality of opponent the understand you do dig you
I’m not trying to pick on you but your post makes little to no sense. is there a translator out there?
The problem was we got up 14-3, frightened ourselves at the prospect of a Super BIGXII High-Scoring affair with BAYLOR (those guys have like 50+ jersey combos they must score alot). So we decided if WE didn’t score anymore Baylor wouldn’t feel obligated to score more either.
Thanks- somebody finally figured out the problem. Next game up.
Not utilizing Striker and Grissom pertaining to putting pressure on the QB is beyond me
for some reason, probly just the way mike feels he has to play, we are playing off. that allows no pressure to get to the qb whatsoever. so if we had singletary and lawrence taylor, we still probly wouldn’t get any pressure. the only way to get pressure would be if we had reggie white and suh and then that would be pushing it. with that said, i’m sure he feels he needs striker and grissom to cover the flats but i can’t say for sure. too busy seething yesterday
On Baylor’s 3rd qtr opening drive, I had flashbacks to the FSU game in Norman. Mark Stoops played a soft corner scheme and Landry took it all day. A soft coverage scheme in this league is ridiculous. You must disrupt the WR pattern at the LOS and mess up their timing or it’s going to be a long day. If I can figure this out, you would think a $5.2M HC and $800K DC could figure it out.
I still think in the next year or so these kids are gonna make some noise. There IS talent everywhere. So many contributors coming back and I’m really excited about some of the redshirts. OUr coaches have to right the ship for next year but how we finish the rest of this year is important.
Don’t turn on these kids. There are plenty of players.
They could indeed, and i hope they do. Not writing any player off at all. The fear I have (real or imagined) comes from the top of the coaching tree HC/OC/DC. I have not been on on the fire BS train, but MS is looking the MS that was in ‘zona not the MS from back in the day. Also, part of me is thinking that MS/BV combo was effective, but seperately both have suffered.
The Baylor loss is going to kill recruiting. It’s the way we lost that will hurt.
Agree, 100%. Saw the same things you did, and have the same thoughts. I hope Mike is not on the sideline at OU anymore. He is either too stupid to be a DC or he is purposely losing games.
I said it several games ago – I would pull out my hair watching OU NOT play press. After the BU game I not only have no hair, but the top of my head looks like Ray Liotta at the end of Hannibal.