Guess I Should Have Been Worried
Posted on: October 4, 2014
Rough loss, one that I did not see coming.
– But to be fair I didn’t expect the 3rd quarter offense to have a throw back to 2012. Perine was getting some decent yardage and OUjust abandoned the run.
– Need to go back and watch but it doesn’t look like Blake’s quite complete enough at this point as a passing threat or a blocker to keep him on the field so much. I reckon they like him in there because his presence can dictate the defensive personnel and perhaps he’s the best OU has. With a big target like him, Trevor is just going to have to make good throws and allow him to go up and grab it because he isn’t going to explode of the line or in and out of his breaks and burn his man.
– Defensive tackling needs work. Just not consistent.
– Couldn’t play a complete game. Offensive made plays in the first half and collapsed in the second half. Defensive made plays in the 2nd half but was atrocious in the first half.
– OU was really missing Keith Ford. Samaje is big time but I’m not sure Ross has the vision to really be a threat against a good run defense. Perine will almost always find space but he wore down.
– TCU’s secondary is good but there wasn’t much separation and Trevor didn’t play his best game…to say the least.
– TCU played well but really feel like this was more on OU than it was a win for TCU.
Gonna take me a bit to stomach going back and watching that game but hopefully I can do so and get some additional notes up.
With all the losses OU isn’t out of the playoff picture but a lot of things have to change.
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At what point do they realize Heupel is not the guy they think he is?
He’s exactly who I thought he was.
He wants to be a Mike Leach offense, with the personnel to run the damn wishbone.
Me: (to Heupel) “you sir, are no Mike Leach!”
I have held off criticizing Heupel in the past, but that was a really poorly called game. Your team is not going to believe they can win when they don’t believe the OC knows what to call. Delay of game penalties because the OC takes too long to call the play are going to make them believe that. At least they make me believe it.
Everything I believed about this game was predicated on the notion that OU would run a lot with Perine and Knight and find space in the slot on offense…they didn’t do that. And on defense I expected more pressure looks…didn’t see that till second half.
I feel like every big play TCU made on offense we were sending 3 guys rushing.
Exactly the way I saw game. Along with your 2012 comments about the run game. I kept thinking of 2012 ND game, Heupel is so impatient with the run. Thought he’d get tricky using Ross early in game too.
I thought D looked worse than reality in 1st half too. Had some great opportunities for INT’s, phantom call on Sanchez….there were a few key drive sustaining tough calls. Even Julian PI, would have stopped that drive & didn’t need to do it as the WR wasn’t catching that ball. Played a lot of good D, too many missed 3rd down stop opportunities.
TK didn’t handle the pressure good at all today.
3 biggest issues IMO today:
O play calling
TK
D setting back 2-gapping all game.
The OU coaching staff needs to come to grip with the fact that TK is a poor pocket passer. They need to adapt the O scheme to what he can do consistently, or be willing to try Cody, who appears to be more of a classic drop back passer. They currently look lost other than to hand off to Perine.
TK does telegraph, get happy feet under pressure, take sacks, and simply miss even what should be high percentage three step drop slant patterns.
TK can roll out and probably could run the bone given his elusive running. And while we all owe TK a huge debt of gratitude for a lights out Sugar Bowl , the earlier poster’s stats on his other games are alarming.
The coaches need to decide what to do at QB and our O scheme soon or we will have more losses this season. This loss was on the O.
Can we ship Huepel to SMU right now?
Unfortunately, every time it looks like he may be able to get hired somewhere else, he has a game like today.
It’s like his insurance policy.
Heupel isn’t at fault today.
1) If you put up 30+ points, you should win.
2) NO offensive coordinator can call plays for a QB who is going 8-22 with 2 INTs in a half. If WRs aren’t getting open and you can’t throw there isn’t a scheme alive that will help you.
3) Our run game couldn’t get a half yard when we needed it. We were not going to win that game.
When your qb is struggling you can not call 8 pass plays in a row and pretend he is Landry. The one who called a qb draw on 3rd and 4 with no timeouts and 40 seconds left. The same oc who abonded the run game after the 1st posession of the 2nd half?
Exactly…that was a called draw on 3rd down. Even Joe Dickinson wouldn’t have called that when you’ve got 60-70 yards to go, no timeouts and need a TD.
Heupel and Mike Stoops are to blame for this loss. 30+ points should win, but doing something as stupid as a called QB draw on 3rd and 10 miles with no timeouts left absolutely sealed our fate. That bonehead decision cost us any chance of winning.
ESECPN is laughing all the way to the bank.
Long way to January folks. Regroup, beat the rest of Texas and get on with the season. As much as it sucks, this is game 10 of Trevor knight’s career…
That explains some things but not everything. Holding on to the ball and getting sacked at the 15 when we’re at the 4 yard line is indefensible.
That was a really bad decision…no question. I am just giving perspective on the expectations, which at this point seem to have been gigantic. He was hot and cold, JH should have put him in better situation when the line started collapsing time and again… or abandoning the run…
1st and 4, 22 seconds left, 1 time out. and you pass? run, and even if it fails you have two pass attempts and a field opportunity.
The problem with our playoff chances is the fact that a 1-loss SEC team (or 4) will get the nod over us all day long. We need the SEC teams to lose 2 games now and I don’t see that happening. The playoff committee is going to have their work cut out for them and I foresee a WHOLE lot of controversy before this will all be settled.
I don’t know, a 4 point road loss to TCU might be one of the best losses at the end of the day. I don’t think OU’s chances are completely gone, but they certainly took a big dive today.
And what a WEIRD week. No chatter about this game. Nothing to get the guys UP…no bulletin board material. Just a weird, quiet, perfect week for TCU to set the trap of all traps. We walked straight into it. No focus. No energy. Switzer was the master motivator…we needed him to give the pre-game speech.
“OU was really missing Keith Ford”. I think everything you said was true but this line especially. The Perine hype has been well deserved but I still think Ford is our best option at RB. He can do things no other back on the roster can and I think he would have changed the outcome of this game even if everything else was the same.
I personally like Perine better but I think Ford gives OU a legit 2 back option. Ross has a ways to go to be anything more than a homerun threat. Just doesn’t know how to find space the way Perine does.
100% agree. Perine is a jewel that only comes around once in a GREAT while for any team, and he needs to be THE MAN, every game.
Ford a great number 2.
I totally agree.
Ford has a certain explosiveness/more wiggle. And perhaps most importantly, his hands allow us to do other things. He made a wonderful catch up the seam vs. La Tech (took a big hit and hung on too) and those flair passes – like the one he housed vs. Tennessee – were part of our attack when he was playing … and they’ve been gone since. He’s not Demarco, but almost adds a Murray-esque feel to our offense.
Like Samaje, defenders don’t exactly get big grins when having to tackle #21 either. Ford and Samaje form a 1-2 murderer’s row and allow us to simply pound it when we need to. Ross just doesn’t offer this option against quality competition. He runs like an electric football player; turn on switch, watch him run into a pile of players. We wind up throwing because we need to rest/conserve Samaje from getting 45 carries … and this kills the offense when Trevor goes into “he’s 1 for his last 9” mode.
Ford is important and hopefully he’s healed and back ASAP.
Really concerning loss. Defense looked pretty exposed. Little to no pressure on the QB and their receivers got separation consistently. Knight has looked average at best this season. I suspect Mayfield would have beat him out if he was eligible. True the receivers struggled to get separation but Knight missed some easy throws as well……again. What really concerned me was our coaching. Their coaches were way ahead of us….off a bye week. Baylor may beat us by 21.
I won’t take anything away from tcu – they were opportunistic and boykin was on point for the most part – but I think the offensive play calling was terrible. I couldn’t tell either, if the call just wasn’t getting out to Trevor or if his game manager skills need a little tlc. One good thing tho, Stoopsie doesn’t lose two in a row and what a great team to take out our frustrations on. It ain’t the end of the world. Boomer
Not making the playoffs this year is THE END OF THE WORLD.
You can’t let TCU score 37 points and expect to win with the D they have there.
The offense could have at least not given them a pick 6 in the second half. The D didn’t give up many points in the second half. But yeah, the D has to play more sound and Mike has anticipate the other teams game plan better. He was clearly surprised by WVU last week and surprised by TCU this week.
Pick 6 was the difference in the game.
Regardless, championship teams gotta be able to pick up 4th & half yard.
Can’t believe that’s our bets play to get .5yd
Bell Dozer?
Pistol formation for short yardage is a joke. Should absolutely be abandoned. wtf happened to a freakin I-formation, under center play!?
That play just proved we don’t even have a Stanford type heavy set. Inexcusable with the deep o-line and large RB/FBs.
Totally agree. Two weeks ago I was so happy that knight was under center in short yardage situations. But this week no. Why does Heupel and the coaching staff think is it better to have the back get it at a stand still instead of a full head of steam in a short yardage situation. This kills me!
Totally frustrated with that short yardage play. Everyone was blocked, the LB shot the gap. Perhaps Perine should have been able to break that tackle.
We didn’t attack on defense. Bob Gibson, the great Hall-of-Famer for the St. Louis Cardinals, said ” if you hit me, you’re going to hit my best.” Here comes my fastball. Mike did not unleash Striker.
Where the hell was Striker? How did TCU take out Striker? Was Boykin that quick with his release?
K, I don’t think many would disagree. I would really just like to see a COMPLETE GAME for all 4 quarters, from both sides of the ball, against a quality opponent. I have seen that once in a year, and it was last season. Hopefully this wakes some people up and we see it next week because Texsa SUCKS
He rushed 3 or 4 WAY too many times today. I get you don’t want Boykin to scramble a lot, but he has to have at least a little pressure sometimes. When they did make him scramble, he went east-west a lot and really didn’t hurt too bad. With the way the back 7/8 looked today, I’d rather take my chances with a qb scramble than give him 14 minutes to find a hole in the middle of the field.
A few things…
1.) I did not like the defensive game plan for this game. I knew we wouldn’t rush our linemen, but they played contain entirely too much. I think we could have been much more disruptive in the first half if Phillips and Co had the opportunity to rush…especially on 3rd down. I haven’t watched any replays, but I believe on several of those 3rd and longs we only “rushed” one man (Grissom I believe most of the time)
2.) The offensive play calling was horrible. On the last 4th and 1, Heupel should have ran an option play or lined Trevor up under center.
3.) Obviously Knight should have thrown that last pass IB; but, I think he believed “we” were already beat…which I hate. Knock Landry all you want, but I watched his demeanor in similar situations while at OU. He (Landry) kept playing hard. I HATE how Knight (and Bell I believe) approached the line on that last play.
Why you line your QB up 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage on a 4th and 1 I’ll never understand. Not when your O-line is as big as OUs is.
Exactly. TCU saw that one coming. Truly a bad call. A game changer.
I hope Baker Mayfield is our QB next year. I suspect he would not fall apart like Trevor did if he were in there
I want TK to play to his potential. I want Baker to be available sure, and if he wins the job fine. But I hate looking to the grass on the other side for hope.
Right. Just run TK’s game, which isn’t pocket, its hybrid. Run the option, run the ball, play action.
Is it too much to expect some roll outs??? Our OL is great, so move the pocket, shake up the D, when he leaves the pocket immediately, the Dbacks know he has wheels, so they almost HAVE to come up at least a little… Hell the best pass he threw against BAMA was a miracle throw off of a forced roll out…
No one here is saying what NEEDS to be said. I don’t know whether he was hurt or just “off”, but Trevor Knight was downright bad today. Not just a little inaccurate, horribly inaccurate. He forced throws. He missed receivers high and low. He was terrible today.
That third down throw where he overthrew a wide open Durron Neal made me cringe.
Throwing it out of the endzone on that last play is inexcusable. God love him but if you want to be a big time college QB try to throw the hail mary in the field of play.
Yeah that was ridiculous
If it’s the same play I’m thinking about, I think he just threw too early (believing he could potentially get pass interference. Even if he was trying to make the throw, corner routes are not the easiest of completions. I believe Neal also slowed down considerably immediately after he made his last cut.
Let me start by saying I do not feel like TK threw the ball well today, however don’t forget he had some good scrambles that kept drives alive.
Can’t wait to see the polls….Alabama #5. OU #13.
This.
I hate that you are right.
Why did you drop Bama so low?
I guess we can assume Cory is not employed at esecpn.
I’ve seen a rabbit hit the hole with more force than Ross. And with way more output.
No need to bring your wife’s toys into the convo. : )
I’m too pissed off to LOL. But yes.
Really REALLY disappointed with this effort. The line on both sides of the ball was off. Knight had happy feet more often than not. Secondary got exposed. Playcalling was terrible. Hat’s off to TCU. They showed up and were ready to play.But you throw a hail mary on the last play and throw it out of the end zone??? Hope they win out and at least get a look but if the team that played tonight shows up again they won’t win out. Baylor will beat them badly and I’m not so sure KSU doesn’t take them to the wire. OSU might also take that team down. They just didn’t look like OU tonight. But, on the other hand, my other team is Michigan, soooo……..
I share a lot of the feelings expressed so far. During the game I decided to watch one thing. Whether or not Trevor looks off his receiver at the start of a play. What I discovered was that he gets the snap turns toward the receiver and waits to see if he gets open, if not, he lowers his eyes scambles to find space and then looks for anyone open or scrambles. I know he’s young but he’ll never become a good QB until he learns how to influnce the safeties and linebackers. The interception tonight was a classic example.
Yeah, looking off a receiver…
I saw the same thing on Saturday. Then I watched on Sunday to see how the professionals did with doing the same thing. The speed at which guys like Matt Ryan, Peyton Manning and even Tony Romo check their first read, immediately look off the safety and hit their second read is amazing. Sometimes the first thing they did after receiving the snap was look off the saftey. IMO the QB and CB positions are the hardest on the field to play, and the guys in those positions for the Sooners played poorly Saturday.
Wow. It’s one game I know but TK has yet to be consistent or impressive this season and Heupel’s play calling is questionable. I was hoping for more of what we saw in the Sugar Bowl but maybe that was an aberration. Well, there’s a silver lining. A lot of teams lost today. Maybe we’re still in the hunt.
The only thing I hated more than our play calling on both sides of the ball tonight was that mcconaughey commercial that played every 5 seconds.
Ding, ding, ding. No more calls, please. We have a winner.
Don’t forget the damn Chevy Kid Rock commercials. Two real heavyweights of garbage commercials.
Mike stoops shares a lot of blame for this loss. The 3rd down conversion rate for tcu was inexcusable and that corner blitz on 3rd and 10 where Boykin immediately hit the abandoned receiver for a 1st down was awful.
Safety (Byrd) was late getting over to cover.
Yep.
We’ve had trouble get off the field on 3rd down all year.
Wilson kept looking over before the snap like Dude, I’m blitzing, get over here.
I agree that huepel didn’t call the best game but I really think Sanchez is a liability and knight struggles to be consistently accurate. An offensive coordinator is limited to what plays he can call when his QB is struggling to hit a receiver on a consistent basis. Our D-line couldn’t get any pressure what so ever and the few plays where our D-line completely backed off the line of scrimmage TCU couldn’t do anything. Ross is good as a return guy but struggles as a RB and TCU had no respect or fear of Ross when he came in to run.
That is the thing. When your QB is struggling you absolutely do not run 8 straight pass plays. And when your QB throws a pick 6, you don’t come out and throw the ball again. You have to break that up. That is where TCU won the game. That stretch was bad and was the pick 6 that won them the game.
I don’t recall running a single misdirection play to exploit their speed. TK would have to be injured before they would put Cody in. TK watches his receiver all the way, no effort to freeze the safety. Once TCU felt they could defend the run, play action no longer froze the safety who could cover Sterling. TK made at least 1 throw into triple coverage, why do that if you have a decent Qb coach. The offense looked bored. 2 turnovers, give the first one right back on a poor throw. Do nothing with the second. TK throws a pick 6 doing his best imitation of Landry.
Really one can find a lot to be disappointed with. Now the team must regroup. Fans must take a breath (and pray SMU is serious). I look forward to the TFB analysis. You learn more from losing than from winning. Hopefully we take advantage of the education we received today.
TCU played on another level they will never see again this year. Things just aligned for them today so congrats.
Delay time outs are and have been frustrating with JH. Formation packages seem to be unorganized after a time out. Trevor had his C game with accuracy. Outside of Shep, we don’t have any WR’s who can get the job done. Everyone loves Norvell but his crew he recruited may lack the ability needed for a big time school. I will get hammered on that one but with Norvell, who has he put in the league and stayed any length of time.
Missed Ford today with his vision and bursts.
Defensive game plan was curious at best.
I agree about the timeouts, but Neal seemed to have a good game. I’m not a fan of Norvell either, but Trevor was the bigger issue tonight (right behind play calling). I wouldn’t even rate his performance in this game as a C.
Wrong, Durron made a great catch. He’s dependable, but he doesn’t get enough balls. Today, it was TK who failed, not the receivers. It was Josh who failed because he called a horrible game.
Sadly, I think I know our players’ strengths and weaknesses better than Josh does. He doesn’t know how or when to use Ross or Neal. He hasn’t made TK a better player because TK’s technical aren’t at a very high level as he likes to say.
We are a timeout using machine. It’s a head-scratcher, sometimes.
by sometimes you mean All of the TIme
Really, only 3 TOs per team, per half, isn’t appropriate. Each team should get 6-8.
I don’t know why, but it’s going to be really irritating to me if ND gets into the playoffs. Great win by them today though.
Meh, good for them if they get in.
So, all we run is pistol formation now? No under center, ever? Not sure you can ever call yourself a “power” football team with no under center, and no option plays out of said pistol. I hate the pistol for anything other than another formation to throw at the defense, but to use it exclusively, argghhhh.
I’ve always been leary of October during Stoops’ tenure at OU. Once again, they lose one in October…I usually take these losses pretty hard, so I may be MIA for a few days…A loss just means so much more this season…not sure OU can come back from this (national championship- wise). Playoff is more than likely out of the picture. Thoroughly disgusted…
It hurts real bad Toats but I’ll take it over the days where you could hold a square dance competition in the stands during the Blake years.
You’re right, Ray. It’s nice to have a team that’s in contention every year, but it’s tough to have one that falls out of contention in the second month of the season every season. I guess I know how Georgia fans feel.
wondered where you’ve been. Helluva disappointment.
Indeed. I work nights, so I usually sleep during the day. I missed sleep to watch this game, now I’m gonna miss sleep BECAUSE I watched this game…
I could not get radio broadcast on ANY freakin station. Blacked out everywhere online out of state.
Look, pretty sure the SEC winner will have a loss. Pac 10? UCLA picked in over OU? They have a loss….Big 10? No real National Threat. That leaves F St, Norte Dame… Winning the Big 12 with one loss will get OU in the playoff.
Hope you’re right but we don’t yet know whether this “selection team” has an agenda or whether they can be influenced by outsiders.
PAC 10 is a stronger conference than the Big XII so if they have one loss they will get in. The SEC champion will get in. Fl St. has such a soft schedule they will get in. ND with one loss probably gets in before OU.
This loss really hurt OU.
For one reason we will probably not be the outright champions of the Big XII. We will probably be co-champions. Not having a championship game really hurts the Big XII and OU.
ND doesn’t play in a conference championship either so I’m not totally convinced about the championship game thing just yet. I know it is a big topic but a lot of that is pushed by the conferences that now play one, and the media with financial interests, that didn’t back when we did. There were years when I thought it hurt us to have one and now the national media wants to use it against us. I still think it comes down to beat who you are supposed to beat and everything will work in your favor. Lose games you are supposed to win and your fate is in the hands of people who may not like you.
ND is a much bigger draw than OU. So if we both have one loss they will very likely get in before us.
The championship game helps because it is the last time the committee sees a team and an outright conference champion looks better than a co-championship, which is probably what will happen.
Losing three quality teams and Colorado from the conference seriously hurt the Big XII’s reputation.
Can’t argue the co-championship thing for sure, that puts us completely in the toilet. Not just us but the conference.
As long as we are in a 10 team Big XII, I think OU will have to play a more difficult nonconference schedule to get us another quality win. This years nonconference schedule was pretty weak. I don’t think we can count on going undefeated in the conference, which it may take most years.
I can’t argue with any of your points, I just don’t think anyone knows yet how this group of selectors are going to react to wins and losses and how much weight the conference you are in will play out.
I for one, hope the 10 team conference and lack of championship does hurt the Big 12 (as long as OU is already out of course…)
How the hell can you call yourselves the big 12 and not even try to get back to 12?
Glad you’re so optimistic. I could easily see two one-loss sec teams getting into the playoffs over a one-loss Big 12 team. Plus, there are still better teams, in my opinion on OU’s schedule than they played today. We’re lucky if OU ends the season with only one loss.
Sorry you hurt as do the rest of us, but that matters little. If the coaches and players don’t hurt, that is a problem.
This was just about the ugliest game to watch. The penalties were game changer, just prevented any kind of momentum. What got me was, those 4 dropped INT’s. I would say Striker and Perine had a good game, other than that I’ll have to watch it again. Trevor Knight…….I am just speechless. Where to start.
TK? Bench would be my suggestion. Does he even consider that he could lose his job?
NO!!!
A lot of coaches would have subbed him today, not us. We didn’t give Cody a single series to see what he could do. Our coaches are saying, your job no matter what. That’s a problem.
Looks like a good chance that their will be plenty of 1 loss teams vying for the playoff. We’re not dead yet.
(Not sure we can beat Texas, though. Surely we can.)
OU has the Texass defense next week. I bet they don’t play anyone deeper than five yards. I fear we will be stuck with TK for the next two seasons. Bama game was a fluke.
Reading TCU fan comments. All of them act as if they were disrespected because they weren’t picked to win the game. You can’t win only two conference games in 2013 and be expected to be the favorite going into this game. I mean, I’m all about celebrating a win, and I have no problem giving them props. But just because you’re a program on the rise does not mean your team is immediately deserving of the same respect as the OUs, the USCs, the Bamas, etc., of the CFB world. To get that respect requires a lot more than one upset when the difference between “David” and “Goliath” is a century of tradition.
yea, like win the big 12 8 times.
Or win the Big XII. Once.
D only gave up 1 second half TD…not bad. TCU has some game.
Our O has to be able to score more than 1 TD in the second half against anyone, anytime.
What a shame. The pick 6 was the real difference.
Everyone could see that Trevor had a horrible game, the O line couldn’t push anyone, the D had no pass rush whatsoever, the DB’s couldn’t cover air, there was better tackling in the average flag football game at the park, the play calling was some of the worst (trying to run Ross up the middle and sending Perine wide for example among many others), but with all this………..I’m about sick and f’n tired of seeing our team come out of a time out with no clue who is supposed to be on the field or what play was called. How does this happen? Some of this, if not all, has to be on the coaches. It would be different if it had just happened once but this run onto the field then check with me stuff is hurting the team.
I know I’m in the minority here, and many of you will find this ludicrous. But, I think we should stick with the new uni’s all the time, and use the “traditional” ones as a throwback once or twice a season. I thoroughly enjoyed the way we looked in the new ones, and the SWAGGER we showed in them; and they still have a traditional, throwback feel to them. they are not all crazy like many other teams’. Frankly, I feel that with this new attitude and approach we are trying to take this program, its just time for a switch. Time for a change, been 20 + years, but we always change uniform eventually, and the time is now.
I know many think uniforms have nothing to do with teams and determination, I just happen to feel differently, and feel they can provide a new edge.
I’m old school Daddy R but I can’t argue that kids today like the shiny toy more than they like tradition. I’ve always thought a good tough team could win a game wearing gym shorts and tube tops. 🙂
As they should be able to. I’m just afraid those teams may be gone forever in this era…
….finally, after reading multiple comments on 2 boards, I stumble on the real reason for the loss……….lol
Some immediate changes need to be made to the starting receivers. They are all studs yes but why recruit all these big tall guys and we only play guys that are 5’10” 190lbs. Also some drastic changes have got to happen with the secondary. We have speed at corner so play them up on the line, let them jam to the sideline and run with the receiver. I hate the catch and cover tackle scheme. Our linebackers aside from Jordan Evans weren’t on it and Trevor was atrocious. Once again, the Bye Week hurts the mentality of this team. Gives them time to get laced and their heads get big so they just aren’t hungry. Texas may not have a good QB but they have a good Defense and skill players and if we don’t change soon, we’re done
I thought the loss was a team effort.
Very disappointed with the O-line letting LBs run free into our backfield.
The D did give up a lot but in the end, they gave the O more than one opportunity to come away with the W- didn’t happen for multiple reasons.
I thought D. Williams was being blown up most of the night. If he’s drafted any higher than, say, round #3, then I think it’s a reach.
The Big XII not having a championship game is really going to hurt us.
The Big XII will probably have co-champions and we would need one more good win.
The Big XII really needs to get to 12 teams.
no its not
baylor, k st, ok st would be decent
not necessarily
I guess Bell is basically a tackle?
Man kind of dont know how to feel about this game …i mean 1st half Sanchez continues to get worked and extend drives ..2nd half Wilson wasnt consistent enough and credit to Boykin i dont know ifive ever seen him play that consistent..and last but not least TK has got to stop locking in on Shep on critical downs we become to predictable ..Samaje or Shep on 3rd down seems to be the call the whole stadium knows
I thought I was the only one who could see that. 🙂
yeh i mean i like Sanchez n all but honestly he gets worked alot in the 1st half by better teams ..and if the shoulder is messing up then run Thomas out there and spot him help when you can
Trevor Knight was unquestionably brilliant in the Sugar Bowl game.
These are his passing stats from the other 10 games he’s played the majority of the snaps at quarterback:
137-265 – 51.6% Completion Percentage, 10 TDs, 9 INT.
In those 10 games, he has passed for 1,536 yards, making his passing numbers average out to 153.6 yards passing a game. That averages out to 5.8 yards per attempt. Looking at other quarterback’s stats from this season, 5.8 yards per attempt would rank him as the 100th best quarterback in the nation in that category.
His completion percentage on the season is 54.5%, while the stats for this week haven’t been updated, this would put him tied 104 in the country with Tyler Murphy of Boston College.
IIt’s time to say what some don’t want to say that is the sooner’s will never win other national championship as long as big game bob stoop’s is are coach this coaching staff this a joke sorry sooner’s fan’s it’s the truth
Speaking for yourself only.
I’m not sure ” sooner’s fan’s ” or ” sooner’s” qualifies as proper English in that statement dudley but come back for a second attempt at a post when you figure that out. Thanks for stopping by. ( or maybe I should have said “thank’s” for stopping by).
Yea I’m in NO way ready to buy into that line of thinking. Bob is amazing in many more ways than coaching, and he’s amazing there also. We ALWAYS have a chance, and thats all you could ever want (well besides actually winning them!)
…gentlemen……take a break…….there’s a helluva baseball game on
Let me start by saying our players should have executed better. God knows Trevor had every chance in the world.(recivers not helping much especially on scrambles). But at 31-31 we had control of the game and could have began to pound the ball. Unfortunately we called plays like Payton manning was our qb( which clearly is not the case). Although we do have something much closer to AD than PM. And refused to use it all nail it was a totally obvious last resort.(not a guy that blames play calling or coaches, still have nothing but respect for those guys, but we wer out played and out coached. Had we won either one of those battles our talent would have won the game. All that being said as long as to many players don’t jump for pros,I’vealways thought next year was probably a more realistic national championship team but was hoping to catch a break this year and steal one. Boomer Sooner!
How can you be on the four yard line at the end of the half and not even have Perine in the game to at the very least threatin the run. Crazy!
Just the fact’s bob stoop’s is the only coach to lose three national championship’s in a row he get’s out coached in every big game sorry but fact’s are just that
Wouldn’t trade one Stoops for two Sabens! Get ESPN to recruit for us and see what happens! We will be voted the best team in the next hundred yeArs just like the last!
Totally expected quick outs to sanchezes side from the start. That’s what I would have done.
They set us up nice to run away from it
Great coaching job to get to a couple and injuries cost one
Wether usc was paying people or not that was one of the best college teams ever, Lsu toss up, did good to get there. Florida got lucky we were beat up.
I have been a sooner’ fans going back to the mid 1970’s and i love this team but bob stoop’s is the issue here please can’t you see this i would take jimbo fisher over bob stoop’s any day
i remember my first time posting on the internet
I hope he sticks around, I love a good puzzle.
PS thought defense was our strength?
Josh heupel needs to review how the tcu OC just called every offensive play to suit his QB’s skills and then DO THAT!!!!
I sometimes wonder just how much having heupel as our OC has cost us. I wonder if we’d have more titles if we had a real OC. You don’t have to look any further than TCU today to see what a difference a new OC can make even with the same personnel. That offense today was 10x more explosive than it was a year ago.
You only “sometimes” wonder? 🙂
There is another coach who should go josh heupel
Pump the brakes on coaches going. Josh Heupel could use a demotion but you’re being a bit too negative with the smoke finally cleared. Perhaps they could let norvell call plays down on the sideline. I’d buy into that.
The sad thing is, he never should have been promoted. He could have been a good QB coach on the sideline. Once there is a promotion and it fails or there is a public outcry, some hard choices have to be made and I don’t see him accepting a demotion.
That’s a good point you make. Then unfortunately a firing would be necessary I guess. Hate to see it even though he hasn’t performed well at all in his duties.
I appreciate him as a player and a person, as I’m sure you do, but when there has been so much disorganization with the offense and losing games that we really shouldn’t have lost some fingers are going to get pointed and most of them point at him. Whether that blame is correct or not, this is like a business and someone has to be held responsible.
Indeed. The ultimate goal of any job is to produce at/above expectations. Too many years of JH not doing it and he has to get what would be expected. My first good memory of OU football was of him winning that NC in 2000. I just wish that what he’s doing now wouldn’t be the lasting (tainting) impression.
Whether that blame is correct or not? What a silly thing to say. I hope you don’t own any business that I have any affiliation with.
Trevor could’ve really used Josh on the sidelines, too.
Absolutely. I can remember when he met our rattled QB’s as they came off the field and calmed them down and got their heads back in the game. We don’t have that any more.
And this wasn’t a big game!
We definitely need a slasher for a running back.
Perine appeared to do just fine. Let him be the man, and let Ford be change of pace when he returns. Nothing else needed from Rb’s.
We will, two of them, next season with Anderson and Mixon.
You are saying negative the season just went down today can’t anybody see it please where is jimbo fisher
hahah. still trying eh? wont work here my man. Pretty sure we are all still backing Big Bob as our coach.
Your profile shows you have made 5 comments here, all of them tonight and all of them calling for coaching changes.
You are a pathetic troll.
Its been 14 years since OU’s last undefeated season… Have you abandoned all hope like this every year?? That seems unhealthy, man.
Good time for the Texass game however… Nothing like grilling Bevo to get a bad taste out your mouth.
Yeah big game bob the only coach to lose three national championship’s in a row my friend give me barry or bud any day over big game bob
Drugs are bad and luckily there is help for that.
What about purple soda green morning 10 cars at a time. He’s conducting drunk tawk broh.
Well, some drugs are good now that you put it that way.
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I wouldn’t trade Bob for any other coach out there. I would, however, trade Josh Heupel.
This offensive scheme where we line up, see how the defense lines up, and then change the play with 10 seconds on the play clock never seems to pay off. Why do we continue to run this? I’d love to see more of flowers and macnamera in the same sets with bell. It seems like it would create more mismatches. Also really tired of watching us run the read option with not a lot of success.
Cuz theres no real read.
What are you saying you think big game bob is a better coach than barry switzer or bud wilkinson that is the big joke give me barry or bud anyday you can have big game bob
WUT
What are you saying, a Charlie Strong or Peter a pan is the better 3rd basemen or Cecil Fielder just has better autographs?
Sorry this my last blog of the night but a am sorry drug’s kill people stay away from drug’s just pray to god goodnight drug’s have no bussiness in a sooner blog just pray
We’ll pray for ya, just hope you got the worm at the bottom of that bottle.
heisenberg
i like my glasses half full. half full of what? depends. we stunk. stink would say we stunk today. seems like we always end up being on the wrong end on one of these fluky weeks. 2 wks to prepare and, ick, this is what we are left with? seems like this might be the week to lose, tho. alot of pretenders lost their 2nd game this week. we have to win out and that will be a chore but we have the talent, just gotta get out of our own way. here’s what the weird polls will tell us.
FSU-barf
Aub-not that good, seriously 2nd?
Ole Miss-still not buying all in, seriously 3rd?
Miss St-see ole miss, seriously 4th?
Bay-see ole miss, uncle
ND-see ole miss
Mich St-tried to lose, pretty good club tho-if we don’t win it, why not
Bama-never was convinced
UGA-overrated
A&M-overrated
OU-?
Oreg-?
TCU-Christmas came early
tOSU-i hope not
Ok ST-barf
UCLA-bad schedule and inconsistent
i mean, its right there in front of us. just gotta go take it. let’s hope we learn the lessons we were taught today. BOOMER!!
Sooner!
TCU exposed our weakness on offense and we just don’t have the weapons we need. Tough loss for sure but other top teams lost. If we can get things right we can still be in this thing as long as a few things fall into place. The road just got a little tougher.
kt and utes knock off ucla……….he had a pretty good game
I held out hope that Trevor Knight could be the QB we saw in New Orleans vs Alabama. Alas, that was a fluke. Sort of like JH’s play calling…
Bell should be moved back to QB. I could see keeping Trevor there if he were going to be a running threat and could stay healthy, but they don’t use him that way and he can’t help but get dinged every time he turns around. Bell can throw the ball 5 yards without rocketing it 15 yards over their head, and he is a lot tougher of a QB.
Been on the Utes game thread, for those that missed it Thompson led them to an upset of UCLA on the road. They love him now and think he earned a starting role. Proud of the boy!
…….I’ve seen him play in spots before, but this was his game………. looks pretty good with the pass the more experience he gets and had some critical runs…….had receivers drop a few very good passes
I’ve seen him in spots also but tonight it looked like it was “his” team. If receivers had caught everything, he would have looked like a star. I chatted with their fans during the game and he won them over tonight. I’m just happy he had some success.
Qb recruiting. It’s time to admit that our Qb recruiting has been poor. That would be ok if we developed Qb’s, but that isn’t apparent. Drew transfers to a school with no Qb, can’t hold the job. Kendal goes to a school with questionable Qb, can’t win the job. Bell moves to TE because the coaches prefer a Qb who may end up with one good game.
We have 2 Heisman winning Qbs and one who came in second and Heupel can’t get a good Qb to come here. Sam fell in his lap. Landry was highly rated, that’s it.blake did beat N.D. And oSu (twice), but we go with a potential one hit wonder. Nothing against TK, I wish him the very best, but facts are facts, the career completion percentage isn’t what we need.
Josh is paid (extremely well) to recruit and develop top flight Quarterbacks. Who can claim he’s done so?
I share everyone’s feelings on the game. No QB pressure, poor coverage, and poor tackling on D. Poor play calling (AGAIN) and TK struggled, maybe partly due to the play calling. One thing I’m still optimistic about is that TK is only a sophomore and should get better. I thought his decision making on the read option this season has been lacking, maybe that’s because he’s been told not to run until yesterday. I feel like he’s lacking in reading the D on pass plays. Hopefully that will improve as he plays more. Great showing all around by TCU. Props to them.
If there was a game to miss, it was this one. A high school coach here called me after I got off work and warned me not to watch the game. I’ll spare you his rant.
He gave credit to TCU but said TK puked down his leg and JH did as well. Did Josh over-think this game?
He also stated that the D looked nervous and on their heels for a half. Tackling, dumb penalties, out of position etc. Not sure I want to watch that
Hope we can suck it up quick. UT is up and no way do I want to lose to them again.
As far as heupel I think his gameplan was similar to the game vs wvu except he added the qb run game to the mix. But tcu had a better secondary that made it difficult for knight to complete passed to anyone not named shepherd and even those were great plays by shep as always.
Unless Trever is inept though, that falls on playcalling. Call some crossing routes. Where were all the swing passes to Ross? Quick outs. Slants. Easy throws? Flowers wasn’t mentioned once. Bell was open multiple times. We HAVE to get some other options, or this year may end rougher than most of us could have imagined.
And we don’t attack the middle of the field we can’t just run the ball and throw passes to the sidelines. And you’re right where were the easy plays? I hate when I flip around channels and see guys running wide open everywhere and they have no where near the talent we have, yet they make offense look easy. Our offense has looked difficult since Wilson left.
But I WAS in the “fire Wilson” camp, lol. My Bad. Playcalling has to be the most glorious and fun, but also the WORST position in coaching, at least for coaching tenure… Fans and Playcallers rarely see eye to eye. Heup just needs to give the sideline a chance. Feel the emotion of the game. I think he still has time to figure it out..
I think heupel definitely can figure it out. What he did to bama was incredible and it gave confidence to Trevor to make plays. But we’ve been questioning whether he’s holding back. And either he is holding back and needs to forget that idea or he just can’t get creative week to week.
Was it just me or was there very little diamond formation? And I don’t fault perine at all for not having the same type of game, tcu won the line of scrimmage battle and it was embarrassing
I don’t remember any other formation besides the damn pistol this game, you know, the world’s greatest running formation, especially for short yardage (not). Pistol formation, with a no “option” option, is just asinine as a running formation.
Yeah I mean if you want a pocket passer in tk why not go 5 wide even 10% of the time. There’s way too many question marks. But the good thing is that every team will have a loss and ou’s came early and on the road vs a top 25 team that some are saying is now a top 4 team. So beating ou still has the glamour it always has.
Let’s just hope this wakes up mike and josh and they start working gameplans together.
You won’t be missing much if you don’t watch it, but if you do watch do it out of morbid curiosity.
Suckage was wide spread, but I still can’t get the horrible image of our O-line’s poor blocking out of my brain pan.
Like your friend, I grudgingly give credit to TCU for their effort.
I probably will, if for no other reason than to see what we did right. To have kept this game close. we had to have done some good things. Have to admire that this team never did quit.
it damn sure was entertaining! Nail biter to the end!
The Toads made one more big play than the good guys.
Agreed. Also, look at the missed opportunities we had both on offense and defense. TCU gave us some opportunities, we just didn’t cash in.
I’ve been stewing over this…. to start this off I still LOVE my Sooners. BUT
Lets just put it this way…. On 4th & 1 you call a inside veer with the QB facing the short side of the field.
First off… Inside veer or an inside zone read is a delayed hand-off instead of an immediate attack of the line scrimmage, therefore allowing the LB time to get in the backfield. Also can be referred to as the, “WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?” moment.
Second… Most college QBs who have played in the ZR/Veer scheme have likely been told to resist pulling the ball to the short side of the field. So even if he was allowed to make the decision to pull the ball it would limit the chance to play the field and make a single cut. This leads up to the “WELL NO ‘*&$*’!” moment.
Third… 75% of the time or more we lined up in the pistol we ran an inside veer and handed the ball off to the back. Gary Patterson is a defensive genius. I’m sure he has an understanding of “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, BUT WHEN YOU HAVEN’T ‘FOOLED’ ME AT ALL YOU’RE STILL NOT GOING TO ‘FOOL’ ME!.”
RANT OVER. FIRE HEUPEL. PROMOTE NORVELL.
I apologize to all of those who have taken this much better than myself.
Brainiacs, you are awesome.
I am not a fair weather fan, so despite my anger at what seems to be inexplicably bad play calling and poor coaching, I can only look forward to the team coming together for the Red River Shootout. We had an incredibly large number of confused and uncertain players in the game yesterday so hopefully the coaches will start there and try and fix the questions the team obviously had about what, precisely. we are trying to do with any given play. I know we can come back from this but it was a very tough loss against a team that simply exposed a lot of weaknesses we thought had been fixed. Our offense must get better even if it means a quarterback change, or a change in play calling duties.
Pagan, I agree. TK has been off-target most of the year. Overthrows open receivers and his deep balls have too much air under them or they’re short and the receiver becomes a DB. Every phase of the game down to punting was suspect. Play-calling was horrific and didn’t play to TK’s strengths of throwing on the run. Maybe give Cody a chance at the job. Since I haven’t watched the game yet, these thoughts came from a coach friend of mine. He called system failure from coaches on down.
“OU was really missing Keith Ford. Samaje is big time but I’m not sure Ross has the vision to really be a threat against a good run defense. Perine will almost always find space but he wore down.” Really? I totally disagree on this one. I guess no one will give the horned toads credit either? I believe we will come back stronger after this loss.
I do too. I think we got too far away from the run and ross only had 4 carries. There’s not enough of a sample size to say ross can’t get it done. I would have liked to see more of the diamond with ross and perine out there and run some option style looks at tcu especially since they let Trevor take off.
Ross’ sample size isnt those 4 carries, its 5 games of not finding the holes and/or reading blockers right. Very little Ball carrier vision in that man, though super speedy and talented. I just feel if he is in, we need to get him some swing passes, screens, or something to get him already in the hole, and not make him find it. But you are absolutely correct, we got way too far away from run.
Something I do after ou loses, is I don’t watch anything, I don’t read anything about football and I just try not to think about it for awhile. Even posting this is too soon for my normal routine.
But I do have issues with fans saying bench Trevor. Fire heupel (or let him go to smu) get rid of stoops. It’s kind of ridiculous. When you look at the big picture almost half of the top 20 lost yesterday. Do those teams need new coaches? New qbs? New coordinators?
I realize the play calling and to me the personnel groupings were anemic but losing is the best motivator to correcting a flaw. Yeah it would be nice to go undefeated, but no one will remain undefeated this year IMO so ou has a shot to be one of the 4 best 1 loss teams if they get back to work and fix some things.
On offense they need to use those monster receivers in mead and smallwood. They need to get quick a few touches out in space. And they should not get away from the run game. They should have pounded the ball 50 times between ross and perine because it would have worked.
Also just want to throw this out there to all the “Trevor has to run for us to win” is 13 times enough runs? Cause we sure didn’t win because of his legs. We lost because we couldn’t move the ball passing.
I have already erased the game from my dvr. Saw it once and it was ugly.
There wasn’t just one area of the team’s performance that cost us the game, everyone contributed.
Like you mentioned, yesterday was upset weekend 2014 and it came early this year.
I’ll watch the coaches show this evening and see what Coach Stoops has to say, but I wouldn’t want to be in any of the team sessions today going over film. Lots of butts will have bite marks before this day is done.
I don’t get the coaches show on my tv but I will listen to his press conference tomorrow. I hope he’s not happy.
oh yea, bob’s presser should be interesting to say the least…
*Keep Trevor,
but let him actually RUN an offense suited for his strengths. Out of his 13 runs, which were by design? or scrambling? He had maybe 2-3 draws called (some at very inopportune times) and only 1 option where he was allowed to keep (also a questionable call considering down and distance), rest were scrambles if I remember correctly. Someone posted his stats on here yesterday. Thru 10 games, take out Alabama, and TK is the 100th best QB in nation. Thats pretty crappy. Dude plays at OU, and he’s 100th best in nation? One would hope we could do better. Sure wish Kendall would have stayed and given TK some comptetion…
*Of course Keep Bob, really goes without explanation…
*As for Heupel, All playcallers have bumps in road, and all playcallers are the first to get the axe by the fans, but Heupel seems to be hitting his bumps at the worst possible times, crunch times. But I’m actually more pissed about his game management and Timeout uses more than his play calling. Players have to make plays, regardless of play called, but the game management is entirely on him. I wish he would move down to sidelines and maybe he could grasp the emotion and flow of the game better.
And yes, a lot of teams lost on “upset weekend,” which does make it easier to stomach, by why does it always got to be us too? SOO ready for dominance, and I had hoped we finally had that back. And going undefeated is idealistic sure, but I think most of us are more pissed about losing to teams we should beat, AGAIN, rather than just having lost…
Why take out his best game and leave his worst? That just seems like someone with an agenda.
Take out his best? Leave it, I dont care. 1 game out of 10 is not good enough. And I have no agenda for sure, other than sooners winning. I really dont care who they choose for qb, so long as he is our best. And I guess Trevor is, I just hope he can improve.
I’m saying if you take out his best game and leave his worst game on this sample size then yes it will look worse. When you find a mean, you take out the highest and the lowest numbers. It wouldn’t make much of a difference but how many guys are stellar in their first 10 games?
I just think everyone is putting knight on an unfair scale. If you want to compare him to Bradford, white and Landry that’s fine they all have the same number of national titles.
Oh I agree about your best/worst, and finding a mean, but I was just repeating what another poster put on here. I sure didnt take the time to compile that myself, lol. But I know we can damn sure do better than having the 100th best quarterback in nation. I would put this game on the coaches (both sides of ball) waaay before I put it on Trevor. thats why I’m in the “keep him” camp. 🙂
Sure there were questionable play calls as there are in most every game at any level. Knight has to execute better. His accuracy was obviously not good. We have to make plays when an opportunity arises. Byrd dropped int. Alexander should’ve had one after we scored to take our first lead. Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve……it sucks, we lost. Must beat Texas. Their D will probably stuff our run game so going to be interesting to see how we’ll be able to move the ball.
Gotta get smallwood and mead into the gameplan somehow and hope their height can make up for being well covered because tcu gave everyone a blueprint and teams that have the personnel are going to play tight coverage and load the box.
Ditto.
Especially Mead. Even if they absolutely suck, it would be interesting to see how their presence changes the way opposing D’s scheme us. It certainly couldn’t get worse, in the sense that the opposing D only has to worry about 1 receiver now. Maybe it would have a positive impact?
Exactly and the only way to get the experience is to actually play them.
I don’t understand how Alex Ross still gets touches. For how big he is, he sure gets tackled easy. If Ford isn’t back next week, I would like to see someone else get carries along with Perine if Ross doesn’t produce.
Bottom line, Sooners laid a turd in FW, but still had three opportunities to win the game with 5:00 min to play. TCU could find themselves in the final 4 with a win at whacko.
What happens if TCU loses to BU and we beat BU with these three teams winning out after that.
Co-Champs.
Co-Champs with everyone getting a trophy and OU the best shot at the playoffs, for losing earliest and being ranked highest.
Tri-Champs, just like 2008 only this time there will be no BCS ranking as a tie breaker.
Ah, yes, tri-champ.
Who’s talking conf championships? This is OKLAHOMA and the National Championship is the goal. With 3 teams with one loss, do we get into the playoff?
Usually cant get to NC if you dont win conference first. So, I’d say they’re still pretty important. But we still definitely have a chance with 1 loss.
So, do we wished we would have kept Kendall Thompson. He just upset UCLA 10-13 for 95 yards and 1TD (WITHOUT A INT). That’s 76.9%!!!! Oh, he also had 19 carries for 83 yards.
Watched the game. 2 of his 3 incompletions were drops that were right in the receiver’s hands.
Having said that, there was never really a feeling that he was taking over the game. They had a good, solid run game, with good, solid line play, and he did what was needed to win.
I think he may be the starter now, though. Good for him. I became a Utah fan last night.
Me too.
I know Bob defended the play calling, blaming “execution” for our failures, and I admire his loyalty, but the simple truth is that Josh really laid an egg against TCU. Hopefully we’ll learn from our mistakes and improve our strategies going into the final stretch of games. I fully expect so. I fully hope so.
I was worried. They’d played us tight the last two years and seemed to be even better this year. Looked like we got out schemed, out coached on both sides of the ball. Sooners looked like a dog chasing it’s tail all day.
I was fairly upset yesterday with this loss, but I’m over it now and here is why. Trevor Knight has a long ways to go if he is going to lead us to any kind of championship. There is one of two things that it can be. 1) Either they are calling which receiver to throw to or 2) Trevor isn’t being developed as he needs to be. Far too many times he stares his receivers down, I realize that he is still young so I’m not going to be too upset with the performance of TK. Although the QB play needs to vastly improve and in a hurry.
This loss mostly rest on the shoulders of our coaches. 4th and 1 and we go from shotgun, we run it up the middle with no lead blocker? This is grade school stuff and yet our coaches are either over thinking things or we need new coaches. I give a lot of leeway in play selection, because you set up what you want to do by running certain plays. There didn’t seem to be much strategy to our play selection on offense. Our defense played well enough to win, but they could improve as well. Far too many missed tackles to be considered an elite defense.
I might be wrong here, but didn’t they bring in mead for the hail mary at the end of the game? Why hasn’t he been playing since the beginning so that he could develop more? #headscratcher
This is proof positive that Bob Stoops needs to rethink his position on getting backups meaningful playing time. This isn’t the first time that it had bit us in the rear. Had Cody Thomas been playing in mop up duty, you could throw him out their for a series or two and see if he could provide a spark.
One last thing. Alex Ross is an awesome talent, but running between the tackles isn’t his strong suite. No offense to AR he is just being utilized wrong imho.
Perspective from a loyal Sooner!!! We can still have an awesome year, but this team needs to get to work if those aspirations of championships has any hope of coming our way.
Something that has completely disappeared from the offense & it’s shocking to me is the fullback passing game.. The coaches have consistently said Dimitri is further along than Trey was at this point, yet i don’t think he has a touch since the La Tech game.. Those are easy throws to get your QB confidence & it’s a matchup problem for any defense. I can’t figure out why we haven’t utilized him more..