Post Game Vent Thread
Posted on: December 6, 2014
Post Game Vent Thread
Posted on: December 6, 2014
Post Game Vent Thread
Posted on: December 6, 2014
The Football Brainiacs
University of Oklahoma Edition
Post Game Vent Thread
Posted on: December 6, 2014
OU 2024 Schedule
- Aug 31st vs Temple
- Sep 7th vs Houston
- Sep 14th vs Tulane
- Sep 21st vs Tennessee
- Sep 28th @ Auburn
- Oct 12th vs Texas
- Oct 19th vs South Carolina
- Oct 26th @ Ole Miss
- Nov 2nd vs Maine
- Nov 9th @ Missouri
- Nov 23rd vs Alabama
- Nov 30th @ LSU
742 Comments
Worst coaching job in 40 years.
Coaching is the problem!!! The players played their butts off. I know we are limited at QB but that is on the coaches. That stupid re-kick is all on Bob!
Remember John Blake.
I think we’re just about back to that, sadly.
I think $5 million a year should attract someone a bit more experienced than Blake.
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My thoughts exactly.
For those who still think stoops should stay keep this is mind. He chose to re-kick that ball! Bob has allowed this game to get passed him and he has no drive. He has hired an OC that no one else in the country wants, he hired his brother (enough said.) and he has allowed BJW to stay on staff years too long. Bob is the problem period.
It’s time to clean house. Call me whatever names you want. Today was an embarrassment beyond words. This is the most disappointing season in Stoops’ tenure and it’s just another sign the program is not headed in the right direction, and hasn’t been for at least a couple years.
More of the same will only lead to a Bobby Bowden type of scenario, at which point it will be that much more difficult to turn things around.
Is it a risk? Obviously. But it’s a risk I’m willing to take after tonight. Something has to change.
Right on! It is a risk but no more of a risk at keeping things the same. I do not think we just need to change coordinators. I believe we need a new HC.
Completely agree, but I won’t rest until Stoops resigns. Poor coaching, unprepared game after game, and then two of the most mind-numbingly stupid coaching decisions in the history of this program – the second punt, like 85 yards in a minute wasn’t good enough, and the three passes in overtime.
And then, to blame the return on Jed Barnett’s direction in the presser? Fireable offense.
I’m done. It is time for Bob Stoops to go, and tonight wouldn’t be soon enough.
Egad.
Agree 100%
Stoops is officially on the hot seat IMO.
I’m on board with this
What’s frustrating is that even after a piss-poor season like this, nothing will be done to even mildly suggest to Bob that his performance has been subpar. Nothing.
100% agree, my man. This is awful. I don’t get FS1 (thank GOD!) so I didn’t see the travesty. That said, I could feel it coming when the game went to 28-21 and the Pokes drove in chunks (followed on GameCast on ScoreCenter). This team was (again) supposed to be the favorite to win the conference. Instead Bob parlayed all kinds of recruiting love and great karma from the Bama win into diddly squat. This team is average. The program is average. Not sure where they go from here, but it will be more of the same if Bob stays at the helm.
you seem like a great fan and i agree with everything you said but i’m baffled by the fact you didn’t actually watch the game?
What recruiting love? Our recruiting classes have been crap. It was crap last year and it is crap again this year. Perine was a find, I’ll give you that. But we do not have the talent any more. You can see it on the field. We play off the receivers because we can’t cover. We have a massive lack of speed.
Good teams reload when someone goes down. Ohio States third string QB lit Wisconsin up. They have athletes in the wings waiting to go in. We are in the beginning of a very long time of mediocre football. Bob Stoops tenure has become stagnant. He has been fantastic. One of the best coaches in the country for the past 15 years. But if you are not getting better, you are getting worse. And we are not getting better.
A loss like yesterday will kill us on the recruiting trail. How many top flight recruits did we have in the house? Why would any of them want to play for this coaching staff?
Perine was a find, you are correct. We’re lucky to have him & even luckier that Alabama was so stacked at RB that he passed on them to get more playing time, & equally lucky UT didn’t offer. I’m tired of OU being only a convenient choice for recruits to go, or just a backup plan.
Totally agree
I agree Jordan. Show me a program that is still competitive nationally, year-in-year-out, with a coach that has a 15+ year tenure at his program. The Stoops product has become stale and we need to move on.
Afraid that Bob is on cruise control.
I agree.
I agree…to some extent Jordan. And I like that you are willing to say things regardless of anything else beyond what you know and feel.
BUT, I give Stoops a year. Tell him he has one year to turn it around. I think JH, Kish, BBJ, and potentially even Mike Stoops, gotta go. BUT Mike Stoops has atleast shown he can field a good defense, but now with more spread offenses, I think he has found a bit of kryptonite. But If Bob has faith in him, he would be putting his job on the line for it.
Josh Heupel is the biggest weakness as far as coaching goes to me. If we didn’t have Bedenbaugh and Gundy, the offense wouldn’t even look as good as it does, which isn’t to say much. We had two opportunities at the end of the game to close it out, and we ran Alex Ross up the middle, every play. I am sorry, he is still not that kind of player to me. He is a one cut/speed back, get him in space and let him work, and I personally feel he has the worst vision of the backs we have seen this year. I like Ross but trying to run him like a power back is asinine to me. If the line doesn’t make a hole anyone could run through, he doesn’t get any good yardage between the tackles, and we completely abandoned the jet sweeps that worked all night. AND THEN we throw 3 passes in OT when you are mostly a running team.
OUr defense plays so damn timid and so damn scared now. Everyone is way off their receivers and plays scared. And when we played press, we aren’t used to it, we have no identity on defense IMO. And I am willing to say it now, Julian Wilson has not proven to be a good CB. And Ahmad Thomas has some learning to do as well. Which comes back to your coaching. I think there should be a huge shake up this off season, and if there isn’t, mostly if JH hangs around, I will not go to A home game next year after suffering through every single one this year.
Only home Big 12 win…..Kansas, which I actually missed.
I think you just explained why Mike’s defense is no longer high achieving. I remember Brian Hall tackling Nebraska’s tailback on a goal line stand by pulling him backwards with just one arm. Yesterday, a couple of Pokes got away from our front 7 even though we had 2 hands on them. At times some look timid, but we also look weak at times too.
Potentially even Mike Stoops? He’s be my first fire, then Kish, demote JH to QB coach & Salary redux, and probably not stop there.
I could go with both Stoops’s staying. I think it is time for JH and also Bobby Jack Wright to move on. I know Bobby Jack was / is a good recruiter but I am starting to second guess that looking at the talent we have back there or how they have been taught.
A coach with virtually a new staff will take at least two years to gel and get on the same page. If your going to only give him a year, then you might as well pack his bags now.
thank you Jordan for saying what many of us believe is the only way to improve the program….. the rosteer needs to be purged ( think UT) of ;deadwood’ and it will take another staff looking thru different eyes to accomplish it.
Piss poor clock management. I seriously do not know what is happening on the sidelines but something has to change. I don’t care if it’s scheme or playbook or staff, this has to stop.
Reminded me of what WVU did against TCU in the final minutes of that game.
No attention to detail. Sideline management has been an issue all year and there’s been no improvement.
It’s pretty clear what has to be done to fix it.
We just didn’t play like Oklahoma. And why can’t we put in an extra hour a day to practice TACKLING like any kids team would make you do when you are failing to wrap up and complete your tackles? Is there anything more basic then tackling in football!?
If Stoops says we need better execution I may go to Norman and beat him to a pulp.
I will TRY to let this go only because 3 of our best players on offense sat out but this was horrible coaching and HORRIBLE DB play!
Josh needs to go back to coaching the quarterbacks and that’s it! Mike ether needs to go are coach the db’s. If Bob don’t want to do that he can take his a$! To the NFL.
Jordan, have you had a chance to hear how the recruits are reacting to this?
The entire staff needs to go. There is no fire left in this staff and the excuses are old. I no longer trust this staff can accomplish anything close to what the fans and alumni expect. It will only get worse from here.
I can’t imagine anyone still thinking Bob Stoops is the right person for the job after this disaster of a season. Just pathetic.
How did Oklahoma and Baylor switch places in elite teams in the bigxll?? Smh
The head coaches that is how. One has fire and the other does not.
Why punt the ball when the cowjokes had no time outs left and would have to go length of the field Stoopid
That is on the HC Bob stoops.
All of it is on Bob. He hired Mike. He promoted Josh. He’s destroying his own status as a great coach. No attention to detail, no effort to motivate, and no responsibility for failure. He may be in denial, but I’m not. It is too obvious.
Spot on there.
THIS! we decline the penalty and they have the ball on the 16 with 1 min to go but instead we decide to re-punt it to the best returner in the game? Dumbest coaching decision I have EVER seen. Heads need to roll. Its idiotic.
The single dumbest decision by an OU head coach I’ve seen in 40 years. And then to blame Barnett for the punt’s “direction” instead of accepting responsibility yourself is a fireable offense, as far as I’m concerned.
EXACTLY, EXACTLY, EXACTLY. Absolutely the worst in-game coaching decision I have seen by ANY coach including Blake!
Probably cuz he just watched the defense allow them to go 80 something yards in what was it two plays!
Let’s make it simple for Castiglione: If Bob is unwilling to at least send JH packing, that should be reason enough to send Bob Stoops packing. Then again, Boren probably wouldn’t allow them to oust JH anyway.
This program is turning into Nebraska. A joke. Burn it all. Kill it with fire.
How painfully average has this program become? Yikes. So disappointed.
From the ultra conservative play calling leading up to the punt, to the awful decision to repunt, to the play calling in OT, this is 100% on JH and Bob.
I will no longer defend one Bob Stoops. If he isn’t willing to pull the plug on jh and little brother I think it’ll be time for him to move on. No way we should have lost 3 home games and especially not to the step children of the state
If he’s not willing to make changes then they need to bring in the top assistant coach (the DC from bama) and hope he’s the right guy.
I don’t know for certain what changes need to be made staff wise but no question changes need to be made and if Bob is not willing to make them then the change needs to be at the top. For certain the results of this game will help keep our 2015 recruiting class a middle of the pack class like the last four have been.
Wholesale changes need to be made this offseason. Staff changes are the main thing I’m looking for. I would rather keep stoops but he has to pull the right strings as far as I’m concerned. I’ve been against getting rid of stoops or being in favor of letting him walk away but that’s because we were still a top tier program. Remember when no one was able to win at Owen field? Since 2011 we lost to tech, baylor, notre dame, osu and kstate twice at home. That is unacceptable. The team doesn’t respond to the coaching and stoops is showing a large interest in being a family man first (which is fine) but it’s taken a toll on his ability to manage this team.
The 4-3 needs to make it’s way back to Norman. The 3-4 was a nice experiment but far too often our blitz design isn’t unique enough to make things happen when it matters most.
If heupel isn’t gone by January 1st then I will reconsider the amount of time I allow for my fandom. Firing him would not harm our recruiting class. In fact it may help. I think he can be a good OC but it’s time for him to try somewhere else where he is not the golden boy.
Anyone can lose at home. But we are getting steadily worse as a team and I see problems with fundamentals and coaching decisions that are new to me. We are in disarray, and unprepared for situations far too much to feel well coached anymore. A head coach is only as good as his assistants and we have had many goods ones who moved on to their own H.C. jobs. We need Bob to bring in some good ones and let a lot of folks go. We’re more patient then most at OU, BUT it’s a meritocracy and if you don’t perform well, and WIN over several seasons then you need to leave. Period.
It’s pretty sad that I would gladly trade stoops baylor and tcu for either of their HCs
If Bob don’t make changes he needs to go to. I don’t care what your record was last year and you beat Alabama that’s old news.
But I bet he will bring that up at least twice on Monday.
fwiw, listening to post-game with esch and he said there’s no presser this mon
smarter move than not declining the penalty- he ought to be forced to answer questions about that coaching performance
Aaaaand once again I’ll bite *sigh*. Kindly regale us with whom would be the replacement all sparkly and new?
Anyone! With Bob we will be 8-4 over and over. Sorry but it does not matter that Bob used to be good. He is no longer able to handle the job. Just look at His OC and DC and then look at the stupid call to re-kick that punt! Bob is done even if we do not fire him. He has decided that he does not want to coach. We will be here again next year. Maybe after 3 years of this you will join the rest of us.
“Anyone”? Mack Brown? Charlie Weiss? Rich Rodriguez? Tim Tebow? Josh Heupel? Howard Schnellenburger? John Blake? Mike Locksley? Derek Dooley? Do you have anyone specifically in mind?
Scott Frost
Chad Morris.. I think he would accept an ou job over smu
have you ever heard of Kirby Smart of Alabama .
You watched the decision to rekick and you have to ask this question?
Good Lord.
Yes, I do. If he is to be replaced, I’d like you know with whom and what their strengths would be. That makes for a stimulating, productive discussion. Or at least a stimulating, productive vent. Not just “anyone would be better.” Because – no, they wouldn’t.
Read below. Plenty of quality names.
Well, now I can. See what taking it beyond “Anyone!!!” does for a conversation?
Fear of the unknown (at some point) can no longer trump the fact that the University is no longer content with mediocrity. This is a very average team right now…has been for years. If they (University) want excellence again, they’re gonna have to take a risk. “Who is gonna replace him?” cannot be the argument that wins the day in the decision to the direction of the money-maker of the University of Oklahoma.
I don’t even know why people bother to ask this question because it doesn’t matter who we the fans choose the university is going to make the choice and this question is only leads to bickering between the fans. The risk may need to be taken at this point and I’m sure there are several coaches out there that us fans think we couldn’t get but in reality we could.
Think this sucks, get rid of Bob and bring in some up and coming. Hopefully Bob can grow a pair of Sabans and go get experienced coaches from highly competitive programs. The only issue is you will be replacing them every 2 to 3 years. How many times in history has the University done this? Replaced a highly successful coach because of a perceived program let down and have an improved record the next year? Just asking. Maybe we should get the Iowa State head coach play hard, look well coached then get blown out the game.
The sports animal is ripping bob and jh a new one right now!
They should
Wish I could listen here in KS. Then again, it would only get me all revved up with the Stoops-hating. Probably best I don’t get FS1 and didn’t have to watch that crapfest today.
You can stream it in on their website.. I’m listening from South Carolina
Rats! Not gonna do it. Not gonna do it. Not gonna do it…
Does anyone other than me believe TCU and Baylor has better skill position players than we do??
I am not sure in all areas. But at QB and WR yes!
When was the last time anyone could say that? How the mighty have fallen! They even have better DBs, LBs, and even OL. As much as ppl praise our OL we do not live up. Our OL is just big not nearly as good as a lot of ppl think.
They BOTH have a better Head Coach…at least I’ve never heard of them re-punting to give the opposition a better chance to come back and win!
He’s not the hero we deserve or need.
HE AGED LIKE 20 YEARS IN THE LAST 5, DIDN’T HE!? MAYBE IT WOULD HELP HE AND US BOTH TO MOSEY ALONG OR AT THE VERY LEAST RETURN TO QB COACH AND NOTHING ELSE.
Thought he would have been better than this. Disappointing.
He’s starting to look like Mangino….
A complete and utter embarrassment!
Not only lose, blow a 14 pt lead with under 6 minutes to play.!?
I’m sure all the recruits were really impressed Bob, thanks “big game”!
Pathetic!!!!
I’m not worried about the loss as much as this is going to affect our recruiting. This was supposed to be a big recruiting weekend and we embarrassed ourselves.
3 times at home we failed to close our big recruits. Good thing is next year we won’t have any big home games to eff up
Silver linings I guess but this loss I think puts us out of the race for many big time recruits the program really needs.
Oh yeah definitely. The ones who were somewhat out of our league or ones we hadn’t been the leader on, they probably aren’t considering ou now.
Stoops says perine has an ankle sprain they think he will be fine.. That means out for the bowl game
LOL!
I’m not a big JH fan but anytime we score 35pts we should win.
Fair point. I had that thought too.
Great coaches (Wooden, Ferguson, Saban) paid attention to detail. And they don’t say “that’s the way it goes” as Bob did with Merv in the post game.
Once again BS blames the players.
Why should that change?
Bob is the one who took the penalty and punted the ball to Hill again. The game has left him behind. He’s a good man and a great role model for those boys. But things will continue to decline as long as he remains at the helm.
JH: “Looks like I’m not having any mayonaisse”
What the hell does that even mean, Josh? (Sorry, not listening to post-game)
You’d have to have seen the new DirecTv commercials with Rob Lowe.
Ah.
Hell at this point he can’t even open the loaf of bread. Lol
http://youtu.be/st_GI73-aVE
Bob Stoops and this staff has lost all the goodwill that they established with the Sugar Bowl win and track record of dominance at home. This started long ago. I believe that your most important hires happen opposite of your expertise and bob’s is defense. He has done a great job in the past hiring good OCs but has failed in his hiring of Josh Huepel. Say what you would like but the defense has only been the culprit in 1 of this season’s disappointment. The offense has failed in crucial moment after crucial moment when games could have been won. JH has to go because he is incapable of making crucial play calls when needed. He becomes unimaginative and predictable in tight moments. The calls are contrary to the ideas of football which in short being attacking the weakness of the other team. Not only is he not a great play caller but has also failed on the recruiting trail. The next great QB he recruits will be his 1st. Landry Jones was here when he arrived and everyone has been below average in their play. Jay Norvell has been slow to develop any additional threats this season as well. When you look back he only has Kenny stills and sterling Shepard to call his own. The secondary is horrific and these have to be the worst safeties at OU since before I started watching them play collectively. (1990) Any defensive scheme will be weak if you are predictable in your approach and allow the offensive team to consistently dictate to you what you will do. Changes have to be made. Recruiting has taken a major hit in the areas of QB, TE, LB and S. The continue to show up on the field and have to be addressed. Huepel, Kish and Bobby Jack has overstayed their usefulness and have to go. If you aren’t great at X and O, you have to be able to recruit the jimmys and joes and these three struggle in both areas so with this loss there is no getting around what must happen NOW. Sometimes you have to take a step back before you can move forward. No one is on top forever. Lastly, a Co-defensive coordinator has to be brought aboard to help Mike game plan as he needs to locate balance in the defensive scheme considering it is a scheme he isn’t quite as familiar with. Booner Sooner and remember as much as this hurts this should lead to some meaningful changes as did 2 years ago.
I just can’t fathom not declining the penalty on the punt. Just completely unacceptable for a head coach to make that call in that situation. What an utter meltdown.
My mind is blown also. Didn’t see it, but have heard enough recounts to be bewildered. Ball at the 16, no TOs, 1:00 left? That is a DREAM scenario!
And to further that point there are fair too many things could have and obviously did go wrong to choose to rekick. Not only kicking to their best and most dangerous player and giving up a return but a bad snap, blocked kick or bad punt. Why take that chance when the other team has a freshman QB who just threw an interception and no timeouts. A very bad decision and showed a lack of trust in your defense which is supposed to be your best unit.
I think he believed they could either down it further or at worst kick it in the endzone. I don’t think he expected his players to huddle around hill expecting a fair catch. He speaks of execution and yes the re kick was questionable but the players did stand around.
There is no acceptable explanation for taking that penalty. None.
Bob Stoops is 100 percent responsible for this loss.
Questionable? STUPID beyond belief. He ALWAYS mentions execution as his way of deflecting blame. If the players are so &*%$ bad for so long, HE is to blame for recruiting or poorly coaching them!
Here the scary part…we need Trevor. Just kidding.
From GTAV to clean up this staff.
Not listening to the post game, was he asked about the penalty and did he hold himself accountable for that? I wouldn’t expect him to do so based on most of his other post game loss interviews
He said “in hindsight we should have declined the penalty, but I thought we could cover 35 yards” it’s like the sports animal said that is complete stupidity and arrogance!
So, kinda but not really.
And I think he wanted to waste another 10 seconds. I see why he did but I know who inconsistent we’ve been all year so I was yelling at my tv “why can’t you just add the 5 yards to the end of the kick!!”
I don’t know how a person can even try to defend idiocy to that degree.
so kick the sob out of bounds then, duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know what makes me vent….is prior to this game, whenever any fan voiced a bit of concern over Josh Heupel or Mike Stoops. Some posters would say that the fans were fair whether or just delusional and the coach’s have been doing an excellent job all season.
I’ve been a supporter of heupel but he has been inconsistent and I believe it’s time for him to go and bring in a really good qb coach and let norvell call the plays. If we still suck then norvell has got to go. I’m not sure if the receivers not getting open is his fault or the fault of play design and play calls.
Have you seen the WRs lately? They haven’t exactly been a beacon of hope. Not sure I want Norvell calling plays either.
I said i can’t tell if that’s norvell or heupels play calling. Norvell has coached some elite guys and helped shape them into nfl players. Broyles and stills and now sheperd.
But I wouldn’t get rid of one of our best recruiters if we don’t know who’s fault it is. Everyone blames heupel so I think norvell should get the pass for now.
I hear you. I’m not saying to fire Norvell. I just don’t think that the WRs look very good, at all. Minus Shep, there are none that any other coaches really worry about. Given that “development”, I’m not sure adding playcalling duties will benefit that unit. Heupel IS the problem and they should start by removing him and seeing what changes.
the success of the quarterback has a lot to do with the success of the receivers. if we had a decent quarterback we would have decent receivers.
Could be. Could also be the WRs are sloppy in their execution. I don’t see these WRs being great into and out of breaks. Their hands are suspect and they don’t block as well as years past. QB is a HUGE issue though so your argument bears weight.
while i agree our receivers have been sloppy at catching ball and getting open… i do think they have done a good job blocking.
It would be logical to assume that Norvell has major input in play design and game schemes. If you are going to make changes bring in new blood that would have no inbreeding from anything Stoops or Iowa. Possible offensive coordinator to consider is Scott Frost at Oregon, Rhett Lashlee at Auburn or Tom Herman at Ohio State who has ten years of college coaching and recruiting in Texas.
……if the deep pockets who wield the real influence are angry then there might be some changes
deep pockets always carry change
We just lost at home to a 21 point underdog that had a losing record going into the game. Let that soak in.
We lost to OSUcks. Don’t care their record. There is no excuse for losing Bedlam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
I’m pretty sure it soaked in, look around.
We just lost to a true freshman qb and a man who happens to be over 40
…who was 0-4 in Norman.
horrible
We need a reset. Clean house. The ship is sailing in stagnant waters.
We won ONE conference game at home all season. Kansas. Let that sink in.
Ouch.
Horrible.
Barf
Can we AT LEAST get a commit? Any commit?
Probably not
We’ll be competing with Tulane and Northeastern Amazon State A&M for LBs after the turd we pinched off today.
Probably so
We are committed to losing to teams we have no business losing to. That’s our commitment.
Someone call a priest. The ghost of Landry Jones just won’t leave.
Sorry sooner ray but that repunt by big game bob is unforgivable know you see why i have repeatedly said we have won are last national championship under big game bob this is beginning to look like texas in the late year’s of the mack brown era.
Would you want to play for a team whose arguably the most overrated in college football the last decade? I wouldn’t… Every single ounce of momentum we gained from beating bama is long gone…
That’s what burns me the most; being the single-most overhyped program EVERY YEAR for the last DECADE. BOO!!!
Here’s to turning flat-footed safeties into LBs and TEs into OTs.
We lost because a guy who gets paid 5 mill a year re-kicked to arguably thmost dangerous punt returner on the game… 100% his fault. Embarrassing, and yet another disappointing big recruiting weekend.
pretty much, and JH’s ineptitude late in the game to pick up clock-milking first downs
And that’s also the fault of the guy who gets paid 5 mill a year…
that he’s still calling plays, yep
Words can not describe the utter disappointment on both sides of the ball. ^@$^@^@^@^@
Only ones I can think of are not acceptable in most circles.
I’m glad I don’t live in OK anymore to have to hear Cowpukes fluff it for a year.
If Bob truly throws this team under the bus and claims execution as the reason we lost, I’ve lost the remaining faith I have in the man to be subjective in his evaluations and decisions regarding the success of this team.
Good leaders hold themselves accountable over those they lead. Is Bob a good leader?
Perfect opportunity to prove it right now.
As a Dad I am the God ordained leader of my family. If my family fails guess who God will hold accountable for that? Me. It starts and ends with the leader. Bob is not a true leader. He throws his kids under the bus, that’s not a leader that’s a coward. He is a man trying to keep a $5mil/yr job. That is all.
My point exactly.
Yeah I knew what point you were making and you are exactly right. Those of us who are leaders have to lead. If you are going to be willing to call the shots you have to be willing to take shots as well. Bob wants to let everyone take his shots for him by deflecting criticism that should fall upon him. Cowardly.
We made T. Boone fall back in love with Gundy.
doubt that- he watched what you watched
I actually appreciate this loss. It means that Stoops finally has to address the bullsh!t that this has become. No more *execution* crap. No more “players have to step up”. No more looking to the sideline BS+ Timeouts. No more playing 10 yards off-man. No more taking a knee with 30+ seconds and 2 timeouts at the end of the 2nd Q. No more progressive relapse in basic QB technique.
What takes the cake, beyond the punt stuff : You run all over the pokes then with a 2 TD lead, you decide to make consecutive pass plays, all with yardage losses. Then what do we do in OT? Run? Nope- pass 2, then run on 3rd and long.
If Stoops stays he should keep Monty, Bedenbaugh, and Gundy put Norvell on notice and dismiss the remaining coordinators. Yes?
I could live with this. Would really love to see more consistency from the OL though…DL too, for that matter.
So would I. I think they’re worth keeping around though. Maybe put everybody on notice? Except Gundy. The man can recruit.
I think the University should put BOB on notice. This effectively puts EVERYONE on notice. Bob should be required to make those moves you previously listed, but he’s still on notice for next year. No conference championship (minimum) then he’s gone. Period.
Agreed
Probably a little unrealistic to expect OU to win the conference next year as we lose four OL if you count Bell and TCU returns 10 on offense losing only a DT and 6 on defense but Patterson always has a very strong defense.
https://oklahoma.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp?Year=2013&Team=TCU
OU loses 5 on offense and 2 on defense plus Phillips if he goes to the NFL as projected.
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=208797258
Norvell can can hit the bricks tonight and OU would not miss him.
I couldnt disagree with that statement
Josh, was a great QB coach and the reason we won a natty. Josh is not a OC.Mike, was a great co DC, however I’m really starting to question his 2ndary schemes.
Reset. Reset. Reset. R-E-S-E-T! Airplane flying with banner: “Reset!” Billboards. Television commercials. Someone write to Santa! Social media! #reset
It’s called ‘next year’ but seriously we have the talent to be elite. It’s scheme, talent evaluation for those schemes and then knowing the schemes so well, game planning always looks genius.
Not sure I’ve seen that “talent”. If it’s been “evaluated” by the current staff, it may not be as great as we’ve been told.
I’m with you, not seeing elite talent anywhere on the depth chart.
Perine. We went as he went tonight.
I remember one time OU took out three Baylor TBs and Baylor STILL found a way to run the football. Yuck.
It has to be put in the right position to be seen. They are there…just hidden by scheme. For instance Rip is talented, Bell, Shepard, Sanchez, Perine, the OL, Striker, Grissom, Phillips, etc. Still good core of talent even after the Seniors leave. Another example. As talented as Flowers is…they totally schemed out his effectiveness. It’s like the hammer has been working with the nails so it should work with a screw too right? I screw driver works better. Talent – scheme.
I see Perine, Rip, and Phillips. Everywhere else I see “good” but not great and certainly not elite.
Edit: But I’m also an idiot. And tonight I’m an angry idiot. So take that for what it’s worth.
Understood. I’m pissed too, but it’s the coach in me that keeps spouting out of experience.
It’s the indigestion in me.
Since I live in South Carolina, I pray ou doesn’t go to the Russell athletic bowl and play Clemson. I would never hear the end of it from those obnoxious fans if they beat ou.. Which with the way we are playing they will hammer us!
Ouch. Feel for you, brother.
I really don’t even want a bowl let’s just move on and get to the staff replacement
Kinda down with this right now.
Im on board. Osu stole a bowl spot from uab so ou should give theirs up to uab.
That would be a classy move. Probably wouldn’t hurt anybody’s feelings. I could go for that
Good call.
Clemson would kill this team.
We’ve had some major injuries, suspensions, and NCAA drama this season (Knight, Shepard, Shannon, DGB, Mayfield, Mixon’s case, and now Perine). I do believe that should be considered when talking about firing coaches.
That being said… throwing 3 straight times in OT, when we’ve run the ball well all game? Punting to Hill instead of running the clock down to :01, then a hail mary? Hunnicut missed yet another big FG, the secondary was out of position and looked below average once again, and Cody Thomas looked dreadful.
I look at other programs and see them performing better when injuries occur. Look at tOSU: Braxton Miller gets hurt, JT Barrett steps up and has a monster season. Our main QB gets hurt and we have an inadequate backup.
OU is a top tier program who’s in danger of becoming Nebraska. Our issues are directly related to poor coaching. It’s disappointing but I’ll always be a Sooner, so I’ll try and remain optimistic
I tried but now my optimism is reserved for results.
My optimism is is like the drought out here in CA…. Drying up fast!
I’m not overly optimistic about OU at all. Almost quit caring to tell the truth. Until BIG changes are made I think they’ll just continue to be a tease.
I’m not either but I feel,so dang emotionally invested. It’s the only sport I follow. I used to wonder how the heck Northwestern, Penn State and the fans of all those other perennial 7-5 teams could keep rooting and be enthusiastic ….. I need some of their kool aid stat!
Well said sir.
Please don’t start with excuses.
They aren’t “excuses”: everything I listed contributed to our 8-4 season. Along with poor time management, poor play-calling, and a confused/undisciplined secondary.
we are nebraska
So as I’m sitting here watching the ACC title game I can’t help but think… It’s pretty bad when Georgia
Tech, a triple option team, has a better qb than ou does!
I was thinking the exact same thing. Lol
But could he make the throws in practice? Our QB’s are all American practice players.
So it seems. I’m getting sick of being told how great all these guys are and then seeing it all look like a dumpster fire on Saturday.
Dumpster fires are easier to watch.
Every one looks great playing against an OU squad
It does make sense as to why our guys look so good in practice. We make everyone look good.
There’s no way their qb is better I just think they develop a quality offense.
I was watching some of the Wisconsin game (who is also terrible passing) and I saw something I never see from ou…a 10 yard hitch. I just don’t understand or route trees. It seems like we run one guy on a post and everyone else on fades, corners and outs because I never see much over the middle. And honestly I never see guys running clear outs.
We don’t have a route tree, we have a vine and a bush.
I think route running has been an issue all year. Guys a round off their cuts, don’t come back to the ball will run into the space of fellow recievers.
lack of coaching
zack, inform the ignorant if you will………..not the first time I’ve heard the remark you made, but if there is a brief answer, what is a route tree……respond if you’d like…….thxs
The simple answer from what I understand is just the route combinations on a single play. But the more complex answer would dive into what combinations you run out of certain formations and with certain personnel. When we had broyles, he was a route tree on his own because he ran a ton of option routes. We lack the sophisticated routes right now.
Bob better thank God Samaje chose OU over Bama. Or else he and little brother might have been on their cans by tonight.
In any case, Sooner born and Sooner bred. Goodnight all.
How long has it been since we finished outside the top 25?
It’s gonna happen this year.
Landry Jones year one
Wish we had him this year. Lol.
Worst coaching in 40 years? Come on now. Do we not remember John Blake?
I was at some of those games, thanks for the reminder. Guy could recruit though, gotta give him that.
True story
Good call many of bob stoop.s best player’s on the 2000 national championship team where john blake’s kid’s.
At least Blake had a defense , this is has bad of a game I seem in 47 year .
How about hunnicut’s big chokes this season? He was supposed to be the most consistent thing on this team.
It goes to show you that kicking is mostly mental.
I’m still thrilled to have had him. Most teams never get a kicker of his high quality. Besides, if we’d played better the game wouldn’t have hinged on one kick.
Did score 35 points. Probably shouldn’t have come down to one kick.
Pretty rough for a dude who has been so good for several years. Feel bad for the guy but it definitely hurt us in three games
The way they are playing tOSU could be in the playoffs.
Baylor, tcu, k-sTate among others have passed us by
We are still ahead of Kansas and Iowa State…….for now.
Yea we got that pathetic
Kansas just made a good hire. Wonder how that will work out for them.
Agreed. UT and WVU aren’t far behind. Looking like a bottom tier team right now.
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Watching the Baylor game makes me sick. They are literally twice as good as us. Freaking Baylor.
Talent wise I wouldn’t say they have that many more athletes now we know this isn’t the OU teams we are used to seeing but the talent is there something else is missing.
I think they have OU out-athleted and by FAR out-coached.
I wouldn’t say there backs our better than ours receiving core yes I mean secondary this year yes. We are also starting almost all freshman and sophomores we still have top athletes and recruits the coaches have to devolpe them as well. Offensive line an our defensive front 7 in my opinion is better than there’s. they shouldn’t have lost like that to Baylor this year
No way the defensive front 7 is better. Not trying to be a prick, but there is no way. The only player worth a hoot in OU’s front 7 is Phillips…when he wants to play. Once Grissom went out this D totally cashed it in.
Tapper,Ndule striker, Alexander they talked about so much depth this year for our front 7 all I’m saying is the talent is there yes they under preformed emincsley this year and te players have to be held accountable but I think more of it lies I’m the schemes play calls and so on
I’ll give you the “scheme sucks” argument. I just don’t see how these guys can’t perform within the scheme. Sucky schemes win a lot if there’s enough gathered talent.
I agree but TCU Kstate and this game with a few different play calls a made field goal and so on could and should be wins so this could still be a one loss team
I’m all for canning some coaches and trying the current personnel with new coordinators.
I’m not so sure the talent is that far off. They for sure beat us at QB and WR. I love this site, but I don’t buy into the notion that we recruit a solid 5 or more sleeper 4-5 stars every year. That’s how it seems around here. Don’t get me wrong, every good team needs some solid role players.
How many stud recruits does Baylor have? I’m guessing they are just getting more out of the lesser talented/recruited players.
Or they are more accurately evaluating their talent. Too many big misses on the OU side these days.
From 2000-2010 OU’s talent was superior to every team in the B12 except for Texas. Commencing in 2011 OU’s recruiting classes started going south relative to what they had recruited the previous decade. To the talent at OU is much more similar to the talent at Baylor, TCU, OSU and KSU than it is better. As Switzer always said. You don’t win with W’s and O’s you win with Jimmys and Joes. Today our’s are not superior to our conference opponents.
We have only about 5-6 all conference caliber player and 1-2 probably will not make all conference. I see Williams, Thompson, Perine, Shepard and Ripkowski on offense and Striker and Phillips on dense. We need to have 10 or more starting to contend nationally like the Sooner fans rightfully expect.
Hey guys we aren’t what we should be period we all know that , its time to do something different, period.
After the comments all week about Gundy, what do you think of him now?
Well, Bob did GIVE him the game so…
You are correct there.
However Gundy never had a top 25 recruiting class.
The same…
Sucks. lol
Some staff changes have to be mad to many close games this year with bad calls wasted time outs etc. secondary and WR are young maybe they will improve but whoever the QB is next year has to be consistent. Overall a very disappointing year hopefully some changes are made there seems to be enough talent so something needs to be done. Bob won’t fire mike I’ve heard mike would resign though dont know if he will a guy at the game said e knew him and that would happen before bob fires him. I’m all for bob moving on to another school (should have gone to florida if that was the case) but who would we get this year that’s a better option? I’m guessing staff changes will be made Bob will have one year to either win or go. Either way this year they’ve looked unmotivated at times poorly coached at times it’s been the worst year I’ve seen in awhile
Just heard eschbach yelling at a caller who blamed heupel.
To Al’s point heupel called a great game…until perine went out. And I agree 35 points should win a game. However sometimes a shoot out calls for more and our offense should be potent enough to drop 50 win it’s needed. Tonight 40 points was needed and we couldn’t make it there.
I think that’s the main problem with JH. If something happens that throws his plan off, he’s clueless about adapting his plan.
Saw somewhere that after Perine went out, we had seven possessions, only one produced a first down. If he can’t learn to utilize other players than he’s got issues.
Its that Perine, a freshman, is the only source of touchdown potential on this team, as it was today. A top ten program has built a structure that does not fall when one, highly important, player goes out. Its Busch League, especially in light of the pay grades of the staff.
Look no further than tOSU for support in that argument. They’ve lost not one, but TWO great QBs this year. Seems they have a third just lying around. Oh, but that would require an actual identity on offense and defense…my bad.
At a loss to understand this post man. I’m going to understand your situation though. Confused, left wondering how.
What don’t you understand? Your argument was that no good D1 program falls when they lose one good player. I provided evidence to support that.
Yeah but OSU did fall, but they rose up to overcome, and cut, the thread-thin connection that Bob’s program had to relevance. Nonetheless, my mental sharpness is dulled tonight.
tOSU, man. THE Ohio State.
Dam it. Right. Alright.
LOL. No worries, man. I’ve been there myself!
Funny thing is that IS the case in point I have been thinking about all night. As I’ve watched Meyer dismantle Wisconsin with his third guy. Its just done man, this program will either change with a new HC, or the HC will hire a staff that is right for the job(s). It isn’t going to get better until that happens.
Our offense should be potent enough to score 50 with a backup QB, without our best WR, and without 2.5 quarters from our best RB?
Surely you don’t mean that.
Sure he does. I would say it’s possible also. Look at tOSU. They’re on their THIRD QB of the year…second Freshman for that matter.
Last time I checked there’s a bunch of proud fans. This is still the university of oklahoma. It should be next man up. The cupboards should never be bare.
As far as the running back, we brag about all our running backs so the next one has to step up. Wide receivers should fall out of trees and based ok ratings we have good ones on campus. Now the backup qb is a big deal but look at ohio state.
Regardless 7 points in the 2nd half is embarrassing
1.5 qts without Perine. And it was OSU’s 3rd string QB, they scored 38. And Ohio States 3rd stringer rang up the Badgers last night. QB’s be damned, it must be some coaching issues…
Not really a fair way of looking at it IMO. The Ohio State QB has been #2 for the entire season. OSU’s QB was only #3 b/c they were trying to redshirt him. He is either the best, or 2nd best QB on their roster.
As for Thomas, he clearly isn’t ready, but we’re in a weird spot with QB’s in that Mayfield isn’t eligible, TK is hurt, you want to redshirt Hansen, Bob wants to be fair to Bell and leave him at TE, and KT transferred in the offseason. Just a weird transition. I could argue that Thomas is probably, at best, the 4th best QB on our roster. Yet, given varying factors, he is the one we have to play right now.
tOSU vs Wisconsin is why we need a conference championship game. Big 12 executives are idiots for believing other wise.
They are idiots for falling behind in the recruiting game when all the realignment was going on. Missed the boat on Louisville and Cincinnati.
Agreed.
Yup.
Yeah. The Conf. Games are looking really good. Pageantry, excitement. The sense that the Big 12 makes of our one true champion is okay, its fine, but it simply doesn’t work if they want a conference that competes with the other four on a serious level, at this time of the year.
and it doesnt work when they wont actually proclaim, “one true champion.”
Fallout time for Bowlsby and the Conference, and our team as well.
Im certainly tuned in..
I’ll be watching closely on all fronts. I am pleased with the selections for the Playoff. The Big IIX just ain’t that great, yet. Mainly by the composition of the conferences teams, the branding and language of the conference: its crap, maybe a new chapter will be spurned by the proof in the pudding situation.
Who would we go after as HC seriously asking?
Scott Frost would be my first call. Maybe Leavitt?
Nobody. It’s all about Coordinators.
Yep.
Gotta recruit good to
Robert Stoops.
Post of the day. My vote.
I would get a coordinator that knows how to call plays and be a little bit crazy to make some drastic calls. They have to be innovative and it has to be on the fly. There are some that can do that.
The season gone wrong, my opinion. It started with expectations probably being a little too high, based on one game from last year. Add the injuries, the wide receivers not as good as hoped, the defensive backfield problems, losing Frank Shannnon and the Senior field goal kicker suddenly struck with spaghetti legs. Top that with play calling issues and bad coaching decisions…equals 8 and 4.
The only change, I think, that has to be made, is the re-assignment of the play caller. He has proven to be a good QB coach, not so much a play caller and game planner.
Cannot “reassign” playcalling duties, IMO. I think they need a new OC from outside the program. The insestuous hirings have turned this staff into a mutant. Time for fresh blood.
I think DC and OC need to be under the microscope.
Yes, but I don’t see Bob cutting his brother. Ever.
Which leads to the “when is Bob gone?” question. If changes aren’t made, he needs to be shown the door.
You might be right, but I am afraid we might get more of the ass clowns that followed Mr. Switzer’s years.
The fear of that cannot lead to the acceptance of mediocrity.
Good point!
I don’t think he would either, it would have to come from donor pressure. Same with JH, Boren would have to feel some heat.
Bob being on the hot seat is all I would be in favor of with respect to his HC position. Coordinator changes are looking more and more mandatory.
just listened to tape of bstoops explanation of why he re-kicked and it made absolutely no sense…….in essence it was to pin them deeper than they already were and to burn a few more seconds……..
Dumbness
I’m afraid Bob Stoops doesn’t know the answer. OU has been running on fumes for the last few seasons. Lack of consistency at QB, coupled with the inexperienced WRs, and loss of balance on offense doomed this team. Adding the undisciplined defense and OU is a bad team. The sad part is OU will be worse next year.
Agreed.
In what way should will they be worse next year if Phillips and striker come back. They return almost everyone in the secondary. Offensively they will have all WR RB and QB back except for a few lineman I seriously doubt they will be worse. With the JUCO recruits and high school as well. Plus they can’t get much worse. Crazy thing is after tennesse and WVU the media everyone was saying this team is a championship contender and that this D was really good. The loses to TCU, Kstate and OSU were close enough a few dumb calls missd kicks and so on this team would be a one loss granted they aren’t great the talent seems to be there look more like coaching, and inconsistent play seems a much bigger problem
Am I the only one who is completely unimpressed with Striker?
Ya he’s been a no show this year which is why I would assume he would return one more year hes undersized and under preformed this year draft stock can’t be to high I still feel that play calls on both sides of the ball have been questionable all year
Yes.
There’s my laugh, this is a cool place to hammer it out. Goodnight Sooner fans.
They will be worse if they have the same head coach and coordinators.
Probably not…but at least the expectations will be a lot lower.
……on another note, ohio st looks awfully good to be a team that might be left out……38-zip almost at half……they just might get in afterall
That is one hell of a coaching job there. Think OU would ever have THREE QBs that could run the offense seamlessly? LOL
I just want to find one that can do it.
HA! Well played, sir. Well played indeed.
Overreaction. Look I’m as made as anyone. But one play doesn’t lose a game. Why did Jordan Thomas get beat all day? Why can’t the LB cover the TE? Why are they so anxious on the read that they are always a step behind the TE? Where is the safety over the top other than Parker who played well today?
If you want to blame the coaches, blame them for recruiting the morons who can’t cover like Sanchez or Parker. I’ll say one thing why isn’t Striker and Bond attacking the QB?
imagine playing defense and o
What the hell are you drinking? You can’t have both can you?
Ugh I could only dream
The zone read QB keeper could have scored multiple times. OU abandoned it once again. I’ve lost my voice screaming for Thomas to keep it and get a first down…..but JH knows better than to take what is right there for the taking.
was thinking this all game, would be a nice time for Cody to keep it.
I’m no longer convinced that Heupel knows how to recruit or develop QBs. Mason Randolph, a true freshman and 3rd stringer, beat us. Not only beat us, but he did so looking like a polished and poised Senior. Damn I’m so disappointed. This is absolutely the worse season and it started out with so much promise.
JH is a poor evaluator of talent. JH can’t recruit. JH can’t develop Qb’s. JH can’t game plan. JH can’t play all.
What exactly can he do that warrants him being the OC or Qb coach.
What about White, Bradford, Jones
White and Bradford had special gifts. Jones was talented but never got better.
But what about Drew Allen and Kendall Thompson. Why was Landry unprepared when Sam went down. Why was Cody unprepared when TK got hurt.
He put all his eggs on Gunter Kiel and lost out ( not sure we missed much anyway). Then put it all on Max Browne, clipboard holder at USC. So far this year we have no Qb commit because he targeted the kid who committed to Ohio State.
Why can oSu have a true freshman in his second game outperform OU’s redshirt freshman who was starting his third game.
Can’t we do better?
Stoops was asked in the post game presser if “the pressure on Rudolph was what they hoped for” and he replied with “yes.” Maybe it’s just me but I think we rarely got pressure on Rudolph tonight, maybe 2 sacks?
Yep
Sigh….phfftt
We need an oc, dc, qb coach , and corner coach
It’s pretty obvious that A JH has no confidence in Thomas or Knight to throw the ball consistently can’t really blame him and B his calls all year have been bad an predictable. Recruting classes here are starting to be ranked lower and lower each year but they still seem to have plenty of talent regardless the secondary has been bad all year the front seven seemed to regress exponintaly since the sugar bowl we can’t throw the ball down the field enough or even throw it enough to make any defense respect us throwing the ball OSU had 10 guys in the box at the en of the game. If we don’t have consistent play at the quarter back position next year don’t expect the offense to look a lot different we might need to call barry and switch back to the wishbone
Then why recruit them
I don’t know if it’s the Gentlemen Jack or not, but you guys are making a lot of sense…and I like it.
Afraid Bob no longer cares and doesn’t realize that’s the case. This year was worse than 1998. Enough of this. I’ve been supportive, but the game has passed Bob and Mike by. And Heupel was never up to the job of OC to begin with.
Frankly, if nothing happens, Joe C. should go as well. Time to man up to reality. When a NG gets his hands on a Qb and lets him go, that’s not good.
This team isn’t strong enough to hold on to a tackle. Our S&C is obviously mis-focused. The tackles OU made in 2000-2004 aren’t there very often. Physicality has dropped.
Bob has no problem with play calling. Really? Do you think the rest of us are stupid? Josh is no more H.S. level in my opinion.
Agree totally
Aaron Ripkowski played the best game of his life and deserved way better coaching tonight. Not giving him the ball in those two 3 and outs before the Stoopid re-punt was why Josh has to go. When you can’t recognize the only player on the field that wants the ball you need to find another career. We knew it, Gundy knew it, Aaron new it. Sorry Rip, you deserved better.
Kid has one of the greatest football player names EVER.
He should have been a focal point ALL season
A top notch QB can right a lot of wrongs. We need a stud at QB. You would be surprised how good that makes everyone else look. The opposing defense has to fear the trigger man. There are good enough athletes in the other skill positions for the offense to be dominant
I never liked the appointment of JH as OC anyway. Unproven.
I liked it, but I was wrong.
HC at OU is a privilege that carries a substantial responsibility. The pay makes that responsibility even greater. If a HC isn’t committed to it, he needs to leave. I like Bob as a person. But no way you pay that kind of money just because you like him. You pay that kind of money because he earns it. OU fans will remain loyal, but that was earned by the tradition, not just by this staff. It’s about performance and this year is well below expectations, on and off the field.
What was the whole point of OU switching to recruiting dual threat QBs was there something wrong with our offense from 07-12 didn’t the top pro style QB last year come from norman and OU didn’t offer him so he winds up at alabama I mean a few years ago that’s a guy we have locked in during his sophomore year.
I will be honest with you. The coaches are shitting down their legs trying to find a way to be A&M. The problem is Johnny was a once in a life time QB with a freak for a WR. OU needs a tall pocket passer that can make the throws. We do not need a read option game. Perrine would be just as good in the I formation. What I guess I am saying is that the game has passed Bob and he is trying to copy the teams that beat them the year before.
Why would they want to be A&M hell look how there season turned out they aren’t in a better spot than us they might get a lot of top recruits there deffense is worse than ours there offense looks like a cluster F right now as well
This year now anyways seems that this team was hyped up way to much because of beating alabama that win wa supposed to turn us around bring in recruits get us back in championship contention still waiting for all of those to happen. Sometimes a coach needs to go I don’t know any etter options right now but it’s pretty obvious the program is stuck at mediocraty something needs to be done or just expect 2-3 losses each year and settle for that
There are at least 6 teams that deserve to be in the playoffs. 4 just won’t pass the smell test.
Ought to be an 8-team deal anyway. But, they’ll find that out this year when a combination of FSU (hoping they lose tonight!), Baylor and tOSU are left out.
Remember when Phil Bennett was a punch line? I guess it’s better to be a lieutenant on the winning side, than the sacrificial General on the losing side.
The ramblin wreck giving the felons from Tallahassee all they can handle.. Really want to see jameis and jimbo lose tonight
You know they will win.
I watch all these other teams and they look quick, athletic. Over the past few weeks I watch OU and we look tight and unsure.
Full minds make slow legs. Legs feed the wolf. Combine these two VERY true coachisms and you get OU’s starving, dying wolf.
Tight and unsure sounds like a virgin in a whorehouse.
And that makes for a bad lay…
I was at the game, and haven’t read any/many comments yet. But I want to say this…..anybody bitching or complaining about the offense or Josh Heupel today is simply wanting to bag on them/him for the entire season. 35 points against that OSU defense was pretty darn good, especially when we did it with a back up QB that can’t throw, missing our best/only WR, and playing 2.5 quarters without our best RB. There are always going to be plays or series that you don’t like, but you can’t break it down like that. For the game, the offense was really, really good. As for OT, just know that Bell was WIDE OPEN for a TD on the first play, and Bell was open and dropped the ball on the second play.
This offense has no identity. This is why recruiting and performance are always such a crap shoot at OU. Being pissed at Heupel isn’t about this game or “plays or series that you don’t like”. It’s about the lack of identity that has the offense in a perennial funk which causes them to be far less productive than they should be. It also leads to an incredible lack of consistency. Josh doesn’t catch my ire for today. He gets it for a litany of shortcomings over the past three seasons.
I’m not saying the offense doesn’t have problems. I’m not even against some kind of change on offense that either takes the play calling away from Josh, or gives the QB coaching duties to somebody else.
I’m simply saying, with the tools JH had today, the offense played a very good game. Bag on the defense. Bag on special teams. But the offense is the last thing that lost today’s game.
I won’t argue that aspect. That said, it’s a TEAM game. All the coaches are responsible for this team and their poor performances. This thread is primarily been about replacing coordinators. I support that thought, wholeheartedly. If it doesn’t happen, Bob likely needs to go. This thread has really been about that…and Bob’s stupid re-kick.
See my post above. After Perine was hurt OU had one scoring drive of 80 yards. The other seven drive were all 3 and out gaining a total of 14 yard. That is not very good offense (7 drives for 14 yards).
the problem exist in that when crutch tome comes and big play calls have to be made huepel becomes extremely predictable and conservative. he never makes the call to win the game but instead throughout the season has made the call not to lose the game. what is sad is josh has made good calls early in games, even early in today’s game, that are imaginative but a confident coordinator will make the tough calls when the game is on the line.
Actually on tv it showed the defender knocked it away. If Thomas would’ve led him more, Bell walks into the end zone
Perine only missed the last the 6 minutes of the 3rd and the 4th quarter. Bell missed the pass because of an excellent defensive play by the puke defender. On the eight possessions after Perine was hurt we went 80 yards on 9 plays to score. On the other seven drives we went three and out gaining a total of 14 yards.
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Losing Perine exposed the OC. Secondary torched again. By a freshman. In Norman.
Agree with you almost 100%- I’d only rephrase that to “re-exposed”.
The coaches let down the players and fans today. That fourth quarter and overtime were a travesty. It seemed like they were coaching not to lose instead of coaching to win. What was Bob thinking in rekicking that punt? Drain a few more seconds off the clock? And the offense lost it’s identity when Perine went out. This is the first time I have ever seen an OU team under Bob Stoops snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Disappointing.
Why did Wilson go in for Thomas in the 4th quarter?
bs said thomas was banged up
Translated…replaced. Stanvon is better at man coverage. Like a bulldog.
But he still ran Thomas on special teams??
FB…any recruit reaction to the game?
Anymore rumors on the Braxton miller front? What about QB that the SEC school tried to gray shirt?
Chason Virgil visited today dont think OU has offered him all signs point to SMU for him he’s met with the new coaching staff. Miller A I doubt transfers B if he does why would he choose OU
“The Punt” is what this game will be remembered for. Why? Did he think we’d catch it, or maybe do some gambling and fake the punt, since they rushed so hard on the first attempt. I don’t know, can’t wait for the show tomorrow. Has he explained it yet? This yrs team is bipolar and I’m thinking it contagious.
I wonder how badly this hurt recruiting with all the guys visiting.
I doubt many of them are excited to play in this system……..oh wait, did I say we have a system?
Yeah. Zero identity on either side of the ball.
To what system are you referring to?
Exactly.
I thought you guys were knowledgeable…….it’s the ‘Magic 8 Ball’ system…..you, as an oc/dc ask the ball, ‘what do I do now’, before each play and wait for the answer…….if it’s not prompt, call a to……….if you don’t like the answer, do what you want………..why do you think bstoops rekicked
For certain its not going to help recruiting just as we took it on the nose regarding some top recruits after losses to KSU and Baylor in Norman.
The next two months will be very telling as to
A) our HC digs in to keep status quo, or
B) gives up his nepotism.
Our offense has no identity, Our defense has no identity. We were successful when we had a passer as our QB. Our problem was never our offense it was our D. I wish we could go back to the tall passer and hire a coach that knows how to call a D. We could run out of the I or Ace formation as well as pass. We can run and pass out of the gun. This stupid read option with a QB that can not pass is getting old. Last year, this year and more to come in the future.
I guess what I am saying is we need coaches that have an identity and then get the kids that best fit that identity. Stop changing crap every year and stick to what freaking works.
just my opinion but i say we bring in justin fuente and let him come home and bring some hunger back in the program.
Is he a coach somewhere?
yes he is head coach at Memphis. turned them from a 3-9 team last year to a solid 9-3 this year. they barely lost to UCLA. has their offense rolling.
it sucks when the best QB on your team tonight is your starting TE….that speaks to the lack of QB development we haven’t had at OU the last few years
And lack of awareness as to what position folks SHOULD be playing. BELL would have been far and away our best option at QB this year, if they just would have let him play.
This is the best comment I have read on this site since its inception Rashad. Meanwhile, tOSU and OSU were both winning HUGE games with their 3rd-string, true-freshman QB’s.
Well…I feel all vented. Good night, Sports Fans. I look forward to the write-ups to come!
As a Kansas City sports fan, I can confidently say, there WILL be a tomorrow. It may not mean our team is better, but there will be one. Be good.
Well at least my Wildcats (Temple, TX) are still in the playoffs.
we looked sloppy, these other teams look sharp.
Guess the baker mayfield era will start soon
I’m watching the other teams playing for titles today and thinking how much better their players look than ours and how much I miss us playing like an elite team.
even the teams trailing, like K State. those guys still look sharp.
I hope next year all media can talk about is our disappointing season this year (not looking at the roster) pick us to finish 4th (San staff changes and new OL ). Then we school them all!
I don’t think the big 12 deserves a team in the playoffs. And why did tcu get a championship trophy when they lost to BU.
Funny I think someone might have asked that same question about OU a few years ago.
Absoutely a different scenario when Tech, Texas and OU tied for the championship. Prior to the season the conference set the rules on how the winner in a three way tie would be resolved (highest ranked in the coaches/BCS poll). OU was the highest ranked. Had there been only a two way tie between OU and Texas then head to head would have determined the winner.
Rules are rules. But this year the conference probably made the political decision to not declare a champion after the fact because TCU was already in the CFP top four. And the conference wanted to do nothing to negatively impact a conference member being excluded from the playoffs by declaring Baylor the conference champion in case of a tie.
which is still BS
If trevor is able to play next year I’m sure there will be a battle for the starting QB job does he give us that much more than knight he did good at tech when they played out of confrence and the bottom of the big 12 and he lost his job to Webb you can blame knight for the TCU game in a way there wa other ways in which that could be won Kstate missed field goal an being unable to punch it in on the 1 costed us his pick 6 hurt too and Baylor I mean are you gonna pin the whole teams performance on him? Yes he’s inconsistent and will have to preform much better who does he have to throw to besides Shepard what WR on our roster can really create space or get open hell ive seen neal quick young all of them drop balls on short out routes. Either way you look at it he needs targets hopefully DGB Shepard and Westbrook give him some but regardless next year will be the same if we can’t move the ball through the air
do you know james babcock aka dudley……just curious
GA Tech looks good.
I think Boone P called in a favor late in the fourth lot of $ lost if Osu not bowl eligible, good for them they had a nice season
Goodnight sports fans, that’s a wrap.
If I die tomorrow make it public that I said this lol
We lay down for them to make a bowl maybe they lay down for us to go to playoffs nxt time it’s a wash
anyone want to talk basketball? When does that season start?
It started and they look pretty good. Go support them if you can.
yeah I was just joking I watched them last night. Up here in Jayhawk land basketball is usually brought up about Sept 1 due to football sucking so badly. Hope to make it down to Norman for a basketball game or two this year.
So Ohio State is shuting out Wisconsin with their 3rd string QB but OU can’t get consistency from any of our QBs or offense. We both have great talent. Thoughts? The obvious.
That’s called recruiting well and coaching well, it’s a new fad across the nation.
It boggles my mind how every time we are speaking of a star recruit we always hear “don’t get your hopes too high” or “It’s a long shot”. This is OU, the supposed “#1 most prestigious program in the nation” but we seem to settle for beating out second tier programs for their recruits.
Cody was not problem in today’s loss. Second half defense, trying to burn the clock too early key injury to Perine, Hunnicutt not executing and an absolutely stupid decision by Stoops to re-kick after the running into the kicker penalty are the reason we looked like Aggots today.
I’ll go back to the lack of offensive identity. “We want a mobile QB, but he can only run SOMETIMES.” WTH is that? Look at Ohio State. All three QBs are basically mirror images of one another. All have the exact same skill set. All are well prepared every Saturday. Why? Because tOSU is obviously very good at accurately assessing talent and has committed to a philosophy/identity on offense and brings in folks to meet those needs. Right now it seems to me that OU is just flinging crap against the wall and hoping it sticks; real scatter-shot approach to recruiting. Other teams have focused recruiting and it is paying off.
we should pass on a bowl game this season. over and out for tonight.
We should play. If we win it’s a party and something to use for recruiting, if we get our ass beat it turns up the heat on the dancing chickens.
I would agree with you but hopefully we can get some of these young guys some good reps for next year but I’m doing the wishful thinking thing.
No, we need the extra practice.
Is this the first time OU has lost 4 conference games under Stoops? They went 7-5 in his first year and 8-4 in 2005 and 8-5 in 2009. I don’t recall a year when they lost to Baylor, TCU, K-State and OSU in the same season? WOW
home losses are the killers. Can’t lose at home.
Hasn’t OU lost five home games now out of about 17? Prior to that it was something like two out of seventy four.
7-4-1, 8-4, 8-4, 9-2-1 Barry Switzer’s record the four years before he won his last national championship. Two more losses and two more ties than Bob has had in the last four years. Just for some perspective.
good point. But folks were beginning to give him some flak too… and then the King shut them up! Lets hope Bob can do the same!
Your right, as I remember they did not extend his contract as is usually done. My point was that a lot of people on here act like this team and coaching staff are the worst that have ever been at OU. People forget that even our iconic coaches had their bad spells too. And we could always go back to what we had between Switzer and Stoops.
I agree Bob, Unfortunately there are a lot of “OU fans” out there who have idealistic expectations. I am an OU fan when we are champions and I am an OU fan when the season is disappointing. Sorry but can not jump on the Fire all the coaches bandwagon, I believe in these coaches and the team.
Lol! How can you even begin to mention Stoops and Switzer in the same sentence? How?
I think what pisses me off the most is we had the chance to give them a losing record and not go to a bowl and then our coaches had a change of heart and let them win so we can have two teams in the state go to bowls.
It will be interesting to see in the coming weeks what/if changes are going to be made in the staff or if there is a major overhaul in the program all together. We all agree it needs to be done and this season sure does prove it.
I want to be more angry about this than I am. I want to blame JH, but I honestly don’t believe this one is on him (I still think he needs to go back to QBs and we need a real OC). OU had what? 2 OLine starters go down? Perine goes down, Shepard goes down… That crap is demoralizing. Yeah, Coaching is supposed to prepare you for the emotional swings of the game, but that much catastrophe in one game takes a toll. We have very serious QB issues with confidence, accuracy, timing and judgement (so like everything a QB needs, we have issues with), and that has to change, but this game is not all on Bob, a punt, JH, Mike, or any one person. The whole program is upside down right now. I just REALLY REALLY want the staff to fix SOME of this crap before next year. I honestly kinda hope we lose the bowl game, just so everyone isn’t all “SEE HOW GOOD WE ARE GONNA BE” like we all did last year… /sigh
Also when we have blowouts the coaches should be playing the backups so they can have the experience down the stretch so possibly we don’t have a drop off. Sometimes Stoops is too loyal to some of these players and keeps them in longer than they should. The coaches are to blame for clock management and that punt return. After Sanchez intercepted that pass it should of been over right there. Not run up the middle three straight times.
We had it won- coaching changed that.
Agree that it’s upside down and that I, too, want it fixed. I have lost all faith that the existing staff can do so. I think the coordinators, at minimum, need to be out and NEW BLOOD brought in. Grab a young guy with exciting offensive ideas (hell, look what TCU is now doing!), steal one from Oregon or Ohio State or Auburn. Those guys can play some offense. Then, do the same defensively. Grab a guy from Alabama or…hmm…does anyone else do defense anymore? LOL
The national commentators are calling for Ohio st to jump big 12 champ TCU. Unfair.
I don’t think any choice outside of the top 3 would be fair. They all have compelling arguments. Even Baylor. They did beat TCU.
I hope the Big 12 is left out, and they take just conference champions, just to prove a point, and take a stab at this “co-champions” garbage… especially coming from the conference of “one true champion.” Big 12 is a laughingstock because of this, and everyone knows it. EXPAND or DISBAND already!!
They did just curb stomp WI. Their 3rd string QB was just as amazing as their first and second string were. They have an argument, especially since they had a championship game. I think Baylor has a better argument than TCU does. They did win the head-to-head and they just beat a tough KSU team.
I rather agree. 3rd string QB, and demolished a top 15 opponent. Woulds/could ANY big 12 team have done that?
Execution, coaching and problems aside…we experienced today what OSU did the last two Bedlams. It’s just that – Bedlam.
We’ll survive.
“Execution, coaching and problems aside…” Isn’t that basically the game in a nutshell? So, “the whole game aside”, “the whole reason the game is played aside”, “the fact that we played soccer and they played football aside” are all logical reasons to say “It’s just that – Bedlam.”? I love the positivity, but the Bedlam part ensues when BOTH teams execute and coach at a high level and those two things do not cause serious issues. If those don’t happen, it’s just a mess. That’s what OU fans got yesterday, a hot, smoking, flaming mess.
Its just a game. Life will go on and I will still be chanting Boomer Sooner till the end. If I can make it through the 90s, I can make it through one bad season.
One?
Normally, I’d agree in fact I’d expect a bad season once in awhile. But concerns expressed here have more to do with the prospects for next year and beyond if no changes are made. The trend is negatively sloped. Now the Sugar Bowl looks like an anomaly, not a resurgence. We’re losing at home, we’re no longer intimidating lesser programs and we see no evidence of concern expressed by anyone n the program.
Our hopes for next year hinge upon wishing and hoping 1. we have a Qb who can throw more than a swing pass. 2) DGB joins a healthy Sterling in the receiving corps. 3) a good O-Line despite being 80% new, 4) immediate contributions from this year’s recruiting class and 5) key defenders eligible for the draft staying at OU.
A general rule is that a thing is only as good as its weakest link. At this point, we appear to have a lot of weak links that will take time to correct. It would be nice to see a sense of urgency to address them.
Someone saying there are Mixon rumors being thrown out and deleted on another site…. ? anyone?
What kind of rumors?
that’s what I was asking
It’s a rumor that there are rumors.
As long as its not Perine rumors…
Baker. Mayfield.
D. G. B.
N.F.L.
He’s not going NFL. He has too much rehab to do. He left Mizzou because he beat his girlfriend (which I’ll bring up every time I mention him, because I don’t think we ever should have taken him just for that) and he hasn’t played for a year. He wants to go first round and the only way he can do that is to show that he can still play, and to get one more year away from that domestic violence incident. He’ll be on the field for OU next year.
Gawd I hope so. This team is devoid (Shep aside) of WR skill.
Not. Proven.
Was pretty solid as a frosh walk-on at Tech. Every bit as good that year as what Knight showed THIS year.
….looking back now, it’s interesting that during the season we had 3, 2 wk breaks and lost 2/3 games coming out of the break…..in both the losses, the level of play left one wondering about the quality of preparation
And so far next year there is only one bye week
I have always disliked bye weeks. Give ya some rest, sure I guess so…but it damn sure kills all momentum too!! Especially two of them!
Ok…I’ll be the one to point out the bright side…at least a few more years of Gumby on the LosuR sideline? Nah, that’s too aggie.
Coaching scared never works. And this loss is squarely on coaching out of fear. Stoops needs to realize that we would rather see our team go down in a blaze of glory, fighting to the bitter end than watch it fizzle like a wet firecracker while playing “not to lose”. It’s hard to respect the man now, despite all he’s done for OU. After several years of this, you’d think he’d start asking himself WHY we continually have “execution” problems all the damn time.
Sad thing is that I had a strong feeling this season would suck. But like it is every year, you’re excited for football and you start to buy the hype. Only to be disappointed yet again. I’ll never trust this team until he leaves. Not that I necessarily think it’s right for him to go…but I sure can’t believe a word he says.
I’m on the fence about that. After the ksu game plan, yes I was ready for some new blood. But Bob is a good leader for the program, but he’s loosened the reigns too much and now he’s faced with a team, that is poorly coached, poorly evaluated, and has poor game planning. With all the coachs he associated with he needs to tap his inner Bill Snider and gain more control of his team or Hayden Fry. No doubt this team was the biggest disappointment in college football but we had issues before the season started, the VERY young secondary turned out to be the downfall, along with qb unpreparedness. Now EVERYBODY knows what needs to happen it’s all in Bobs hands to do what’s necessary. And the positive thing I noticed was we didn’t have to use timeouts unnecessary or have a player sprinting off the field.
Good morning folks……….sleep has a way of calming one’s mindset. I will say this, Coach owned up to the re-kick mistake. He said the pooch kick should have gone to the left and Barnett kicked to the right, hence not many defenders were in place. Execution issue. Still a dumb choice to re-kick.
Maybeeeeeee this season’s results will force some soul searching for Coach and make him make some tough decisions. IF JH stays, he HAS to take over QB coaching and come back to the field. Cale is doing a great job with the RB’s so leave him alone. Maybe Norvell to the box? I dunno.
The areas of under performance are many on D. Safeties, corners and LB’s.
The area of under performance on O are at QB.
Special teams, punting and place kicking(which had been a strength). Now both erratic.
Mike has to simplify the defense so players can play and not think so much.
That’s all I got. If you think I’m full of crap, say so, its ok.
New coordinators. Brand new. Like “never been in the program” new. No more incestuous hires. No more reassigning. FIx this mess.
Not enough. It is time for Stoops to go.
Stoops still tried to blame the players AND he said “in hindsight” the re-punt was a mistake. It was a mistake at the time and most FANS knew it, why did the 5mm dollar brilliant coach not? He uses the code word “execution” to blame players for staff and his personal mistakes. Any leader of value would have flat out taken the blame, the whole blame and accepted it – Stoops never does.
Owned up? What planet do you live on?
I am angrier about his refusal to accept responsibility for the biggest coaching blunder at OU in the last 40 years than the dementia-fueled mistake he made in kicking the ball again.
Owned up? That’s patently absurd.
We can agree to disagree. But, being angry is “patently absurd”. “Dementia-fueled” is, without question absurd and childish. Unfortunately, I live on the same planet with people like yourself.
2 cents worth of IMHO.
After watching Ga Tech and K-State play sharp and be “in the game” with a real chance to win down to the end – compared to the slop we saw last night, combined with our D game plan during 2nd half against Baylor earlier this season, the same thoughts keep coming back.
3 thoughts. Not original, many of us have commented often on these issues, and more. My apologies for repeating this stuff yet again.
1 – Those “execution” issues sure are persistent.
I wonder why? Are our facilities in lower half of conference ? Do the coaches need more pay to be able to coach?
2 – must, must, must have a QB coach that is 100% focused on the QBs. This part-time QB coach experiment has failed by all measures.
3 – the kind of hires that are tinged by semi-nepotism and inbreeding (previous ties to OU), just cannot continue. The persons involved with such are our responsible for our weak spots.
Our HC is too smart to let these things drag him down. The next two months will show us much. I’ll probably give up commenting until the bowl game. Just too tired of the same issues persisting, from the same individuals.
about this time next year after OU has struggled to finish 6-6 ( or possibly worse), we will all look back fondly at the 8-4 record and wish for the ‘good times” we had watching the Sooners win more games than they lost…..the program is spiraling down and who knows when it stop .
Stephen, normally I don’t get into it with a poster, but in your case I’ll make an exception. You’ve been bad-mouthing this program as far back as you’ve been on this board. You need to get a hobby, take your meds or whatever. Mostly, you need to cease speaking and go somewhere else. You may go now.
I’m not even mad. We are what we are. Mediocre. Talent wise and coaching wise. Have been for a while now.
The Alabama asst HC might be a good guy to bring in….. also like Scott Frost ( Oregon OC)…somebody with the fire of youth and some fresh ideas to interest recruits and rejuvenate the squad….Bob has had a 16 yr run in Norman and is wealthy. No reason for him not to step away and enjoy selling Mary Kay.
I’m still stunned by the post-game. Is there any fire left in their bellies?
Bob offered a few coments:
1. We couldn’t cover their receivers. Well, that has been an issue all year. OSU picked on Jordan most of the night and when he went down late and was replaced by Wilson they went right after him too. No surprise they did that, that’s what I would have done too. A few other times they attacked the safeties down the middle with great success. They steered away from Zach, who made them pay when they tried.
2. In explaining his decision to take the penalty and re-kick the punt, he said we’ve had success all year with the one step pooch punt. I’m not sure how accurate that is, but I do feel that our punting has been very inconsistent the past 2 years. He’s had great ones and terrible ones. But the statement ignores the circumstances. We had the Pokes 84 yards from tying the score, a minute to do so and they had no time outs. The only way they tie is a broken coverage on a deep ball. The odds are against them, but we decide to burn an extra 5 seconds for a chance to make them start 90+ yards away with say 56 seconds left. To do so, we put the ball in the hands of their most dangerous guy.
What he didn’t say. As a staff, OU hasn’t been a very good judge of talent in some key positions like Qb, DB and LB. Or As a staff, we haven’t put these kids in the best position to win, or as a staff we don’t do a good job of motivating these kids to play at their best. I’m not sure which it is, probably a bit of all three.
I’m always a fan of the players. They came to be Sooners, part of the tradition, one I’ve followed since the fifties. They’ve given me so many good times and great memories. I know from experience that there are times when things don’t work out. I want to see them achieve their potential more than I care about winning. I can accept disappointing losses. ’06 remains one of my favorite seasons. A key injury like Sam’s and Gresham’s in ’09 or DeMarco’s in late ’08 can be devastating. The key is to be prepared to deal with it. Is the back-up ready? Teams go flat sometimes, how do you light a fire in them? These are responsibilities of the staff. We haven’t seen this sort of adaptation in recent years. We pay huge salaries to provide the players with the best coaching. When the coaches underperform, as they have in recent years, I have no issue with those who criticize them.
He’d bottom line is, let Bob fix it. He is owed that much. Remember when our putrid OL coaching could not land anyone good? Bob made the call and brought in Bedenbaugh from outside the organization. Ditto the DL with Monty coming on board for Shipp. Let us see if Bob will do this for other underperforming positions. Namely –
QB. This is the most important position on offense. We can’t survive without a full time copach who has a proven record of developing QB. I don’t think Heupel is that guy.
OC. Heupel probably can retain this role as long as we get a true QB coach. Some of his playcalls were head scratchers at times, but to me, it emphasized how poorly prepared and developed some of our personnel were. Sure we called a lot of pass plays at times, but with a true passing QB and developed WR and TE, they would look much better. My issue with JH is more the lack of formation variety. We need more looks. Pro. I formation. 5 wide. Wishbone. Heck, anything other than pistol. Just lining thus QB under center would give us the option of sneaking.
WR. I love Norvell as a recruiter. His players seem to loved him as a coach too. However, one has to wonder if he is developing talent. We have landed amazing WR but it has often looked the most disappointing position. Outside of Shep, and Neal to some extent, not many WR look worthy of playing. Maybe QB improves this? Would have to really look at Norvell as a coach. Maybe for him, he needs to focus more on developing them.
On defense, it starts with Mike. He ideally should resign to make it easy for Bob. He won’t, and I feel he won’t get fired. If he is still here, we need to bring in help. Not a yes man. Someone to challenge him. Either way, something has to change.
LB. Oddly, this position seems to develop players, which makes Kish as a recruiter even more boggling. Kish seems able to coach. He just sucks at recruiting. I would consider keeping him to just coach and appoint another one specialized in recruiting. An ILB and OLB kinda deal. We can’t survive with Kish as our LB recruiter.
Secondary – BJW seems to be well liked as a recruiter. Just have to question whether he can coach well enough. CB looked bad thus year. Stanvon and Dakota regressed. Wilson and pthers asked to play a style they were not suited for. Ahmad Thomas looked lost out there as a safety. BJW may get fired because Bob can’t fire Mike IMO. The secondary play, alignment and disappointing play makes me feel we need to bring in help here.
Special teams. Am fine with Boulware. Our punter sucked, and iuf he truly did kick that punt to the wrong side of the field, its pretty undefendable (just like our punt coverage lol). Our kicker got the yips but Boulware got us the top kicker in Seibert coming in. Don’t blame that PR debacle on him. They got more punt return yards on that one return than we allowed all season period. A new punter is all we need here (and a dependable kicker with confidence).
I’d like to hear more about the coaching changes that are coming up. I know the brainiacs can’t say WHO it is, but can we get a timetable of WHEN this will take place? if it’s going to happen and it’s going to be major then I would think it needs to happen quickly so the new guy can come in and get ready, hit the recruiting trail and get to know the kids he’ll be coaching up. any thought on this from someone who knows?
No offense to Baylor or TCU, this is more a stab at our conference higher ups…. I hope the playoff takes Oh. ST and leaves big 12 out. A 4-team playoff should only take conference champs. Come on CFP committee, take a shot at the Big 12 for this “co-champions” garbage, show the world how dumb our motto of “one true champion” is, when we cant even figure that out ourselves. Time for this conference to either EXPAND or DISBAND. at this rate, its dead in the water anyhow…
Don’t worry, they will. I’d say Ohio State’s chances are at least better than 50%.
that 3rd stringer sure looked good!
The funny thing is if we were co champions then we wouldn’t be left out.
This is true, and also BS. lol
Still feel lost….like some kinda bad dream
WAKE UP!!!!!
This, I would have liked to have seen….
“Briles confronted Bowlsby on stage after the Big 12’s trophy presentation and addressed his frustration about being presented as co-champions with TCU during his postgame news conference.”
Briles said….
“You know, if you’re going to slogan around and say there’s ‘One True Champion,’ all the sudden you’re gonna go out the back door instead of going out the front?” Briles said. “Don’t say one thing and do another.”
Finally. Bowlsby made out to be a douche, and on national tv.
Briles (on fire) went on to say….
“I’m not obligated to [Bowlsby]. I’m obligated to Baylor University and our football team,” Briles said. “And we just happen to be a part of the Big 12. And we happen to be the champion two years in a row. So they need to be obligated to us, because we’re helping the Big 12’s image in the nation.”
Just watched brett favre’s men’s groomer commercial. Wouldn’t it be nice to have him as our qb coach? Sure our qbs might turn it over but at least they would throw some damn touchdowns.
and learn how to send pics of their sschlongs…
This pity party is nearly 500 comments long, amazing.
Sure hope none of the recruits we want come here and see how fickle, negative and whiny some OU fans are.
I’ve been a Sooner fan for 6 of the 7 nattys and the many terrible years during that same time period. I am unmoved by all the keyboard football experts that come here spouting their dribble and negativity, especially those who just suddenly show up en masse calling for coaches to be fired. I suspect those who just suddenly showed up after yesterday aren’t really fans at all, but are opposed to OU’s success and support our opponents.
Loved the comment below somewhere where a poster showed Switzers record the 4 seasons prior to his last NC. Damn similar to Bob’s…
Yessir, perspective is clearly missing from the whiners.
but I do agree changes need to happen. I’m just unsure how deep they need to go..
Deep enough to be effective, no one should be immune- family included.
But get rid of mike? or bring in a co-coordinator for him? Looking back, it sure seems like he has done his best work when he shares the load, and has a “co” by his title..
He technically is a co-DC with kish.
really!? Guess I failed on that assumption then.. whoops.
Well it says asst DC
I think the whole “co” coordinator thing should die really. A too many chiefs thing… you can expand the roles and/or salaries of other coaches without the added input required of a “co”. Let one man run the show on each side of the ball- I think the excessive use of TO’s shows the impact that too much input can cause.
Change is the only constant in life.
I believe there will be and would have happened irrespective of what people clacking on their keyboards have to say.
I’ve been with the Sooners through worse times than this and will remain loyal.
“I’ve been with the Sooners through worse times than this and will remain loyal.”
me too sir, me too.
I’m loyal the the OU name/brand and that’s why I’m upset; this brand is not heading in the right direction. Change is indeed a constant in life and when the Board and deep-pocketed donors have seen enough, that change will result.
Just a quick, silly analogy- If you had a favorite breakfast cereal that you’d eaten for years and were fiercely loyal to suddenly added rabbit turds as one of the ingredients, would you remain silent? 😉
Not an analogy, a hypothetical.
When it comes to hypotheticals anything is possible, including purple frogs flying out of one’s poop chute.
Analogy, hypothetical situation whatever, you get the point. Are you in politics? This kind of answer never serves the question, it only detracts.
Didn’t consider it a reasonable question.
With all due respect EasTex, expecting accountability and wanting change is no reflection on loyalty. If it was, Blake, Schnelly or Gibbs might have been on the OU sideline yesterday. Just sayin’.
Shouldn’t matter- “nearly 500” comments are from probably 200 something posters (multiple posts) and represents what percentage of the Sooner Nation? .01% maybe?
It is also the right of any fan, you and myself included, to express their frustrations here and in any forum/message board, drinking fountain etc. Monday morning quarterbacking wasn’t born yesterday and isn’t going anywhere soon. If the heat’s too hot in the kitchen, get out of the kitchen.
Not hot at all, just amazing how many feel the need to beeotch and moan like children.
It’s the coaches in the kitchen, not you.
Would you watch a heupel cooking show?
I think I have been.
HA!!!! throwing some ducks, laying an egg, stirring the pot…
And watching water boil.
HERE! HERE!
Amen brother ! We’ll be back and I’d be willing to bet its way before the Pukes ever get there!!
Another “you are not a fan if you criticize” comment. Sorry not all of us are blind followers. I’ve heard people reference OU football having a cult following, but I didn’t realize they meant it literally…
I think his point was, you’re not a fan if the only time you participate on a public forum is to complain after a loss. Also that there’s a difference between being critical and trashing the team.
Fair enough. That’s a valid point.
I’ve got no problem with people wanting to be critical. But to say the coaches aren’t any good and players shouldn’t come here because we won’t help them become nfl caliber players is just a complete exaggeration.
We still put players in the league every year and even players that didn’t live up to expectations end up making it to the league.
First. I never said OU doesn’t put people in the NFL. I was saying that I hope we don’t end up like Michigan.
Billy I wasn’t singling you out and I didn’t even see your comment about michigan. I was just making a general statement about some of the comments I’ve seen.
No worries. I’ve come to realize that I, and hopefully many others, are failing to recognize that there are more than 2 sides.
Billy, it is frustrating to watch. I get it. Really, I do.
The question is: where is the value in beating it up? Are any of us in position to change anything. I’m still going to wake up an be a fan until the day I die.
Our point is clean up the spill and keep going.
With that logic, what’s the point of anyone commenting on here?
Being critical is one thing, especially when you have a history here. Being whiny about the loss is repugnant.
All of the calls for firing people from people who, according to their profiles, have only posted here very little makes me suspicious of their motives and/or actually being a fan.
I get your point. I do. There are obviously people that are just negative people or trolling. However, there will always be more comments when things are going poorly. There is much more discussion to be had in those situations. Unfortunately, aside from around the sugar bowel, this site has only been around during those times.
I don’t know that there will always be more comments when it’s a bad day, we’ve had some good ol’times celebrating victories here. Sadly not as many victories this year as in years past.
Sure seems like the silly people and the trolls love to rally together after a loss.
When everything goes right, there isn’t as much to say. Anyway, I’m excited for the coaching changes to come. I’m no expert, but I believe the product on the field will be better if those changes are made. I like Bob Stoops, so I hope he corrects the ship and starts admitting some of his mistakes. That way we can all watch the Sooners with much more joy than we have been over the past year.
So Eas Tex, your opinion please. Is my earlier comment in that category? If I had another way to ask you, I would. Trust me.
You had some valid points and since you have a history here of being a solid Sooner and not a Debbie come lately like so many that came here, I had no problem with your post even if I didn’t agree with it entirely.
My beef is these people will never say this stuff to any person’s face. They will come here and call in shows et al and share their “wonderful, well thought out” hot garbage and act like its all original thoughts. A lot of John Maddens come out of the woodwork when we lose. It shows that any adversity in these peoples lives will be met with whining and incessant blubbering whilst cowering in the corner
I’ve said on other posts and I will continue. Bob will let us know his direction pretty soon and I trust him. There will always be whiners. However, some are venting because that is the name of the post. You would have to agree that the key decision Bob made was horrible. Boomersooner, I would never get the opportunity but if I did, I would have no problem asking Bob why on the 2nd punt. I will guarantee you that will haunt him for a very long time.
My vent or whine or fact is, I about fell out of my chair when he didn’t decline the penalty. With all of your years in sports on a level I could only dream about, I feel you would have to agree.
solid point. but the only reason there’s a conversation is because it blew up in our face. if he’s truthful, then the punter made a huge blunder. what he was thinking at the time, in the heat of the moment, was to waste more time and rekick and hopefully hang it up there or out of bonds or whatever…worst case would be a touchback. what he didn’t want was for the kick to go to the opposite side than the coverage was showing. if it didn’t blow up in our faces, he looks fine because people would be saying “wow, good idea to rekick and waste more time, so we wouldn’t have to cover their receivers and now they have to go 96 yards or whatever”
99% of Big time coaches wouldn’t have giving a 2nd punt another thought. Decline and make them earn it. Bob is very conservative. Conservative people don’t take unnecessary risks. Bob made a mistake and he has to live with it.
Punter – He’s no Ray Guy, matter of fact, he’s an average punter at best and has always been. Nothing in that game showed me he was on fire. Why would you put that kid in that position. Summary of the year to me.
oh and yes i trust bob too. and you seem level headed, so obviously not directed at your type of person. just the ones who like to see stuff burn and would get his face rearranged by a pissed off player
I get it and I’m with you. The punt thing will now come back to the punter which is a shame. Player shouldn’t be singled out but Bob did it in his way. To me, that is a double negative. Thanks for your positive feedback.
I saw both sides of re-kicking. That it became a disaster is why we are talking about it now and wouldn’t be had they been buried deep in their end with no time outs.
It reminds me of last year when the Bama missed FG was returned for the game winner. Many said he shouldn’t have tried it and gone to OT(where anything could have happened) and I thought the FG attempt was the correct call. He had a chance to win it and took it, it just became a disaster.
Re-kicking was dumb. Take the penalty and the ball is on the 15 with no timeouts.
Dumb is the operative word, here
You either take the penalty or you don’t.
You decline the penalty and IF for whatever reason you decide to enforce the penalty, you kick the ball out of bounds on the re-kick; 10 out of 10 times.
EasTex, I’m on your side and value your input on all of your posts. This will be the last stab at this but there are no two sides of this decision. This is not Bama and a FG to win the game. It was a punt. Hurts me to say this, but there are a lot of Bob’s peers shaking their head over this decision and his explanation.
Put it this way, if Bob faces this decision again in his career, I would bet a lot of money he declines the penalty. Again, thanks for the positive feedback and appreciate all your insight.
Of course there were two sides. The one he chose turned into a disaster, but just as easily could have worked as planned and burned more time.
My take is that to be successful, you must be in a constant state of evaluation and make course corrections based on results. So, based on this seasons results, I’d say course corrections are in order and that’s not whining IMO, that’s expecting the decision makers to do their due diligence.
If anyone out there thinks there’s no trouble in Denmark and that no corrections are necessary, I think they’re either 1) kidding themselves 2) wearing rose-colored glasses or 3) taking some really good drugs 😉
constructive criticism is just that. bitching, whining, moaning, et al are beyond that. eastex’s posts are what we are both trying to get across. when you have idiots who show up outta nowhere complaining incessantly about fire this guy and that guy and get rid of that guy cause he sucks, etc it denigrates this site. i do not want this to be landthieves. i don’t mind the vent thread and stuff like that. it lets those that don’t want to partake, to sit it out, but when it trickles into other threads and its newbies….sorry but some of us aren’t gonna let the bull crap fly. some of you guys are awesome, but there’s some that just want to burn the whole thing down and try again. good luck to those folks
Ignoring that kind of poster is the best route- don’t expect to convert them or get a retraction out of them with replies. The replies are what make things start to spin out of control. Take the high road and let them keep checking to see if anyone’s taken their bait.
no way man. no fun there 🙂
Exactly.
I agree.
We aren’t that far away from being exceptional again.
Oh i dont think we are close at all. That’s my opinion. Oline will be in rebuild mode, the QB situation is a mess, WR is almost as bad, secondary is a cluster F@#$, and that doesnt include the bizarre play calling on either side of the ball. Since 2009, bo pelini and bob stoops have almost the same record. Let that sink in for a minute.
We EASILY could have been a one loss team this year. Easily. We are less than 12 months from spanking a Bama team that was pretty good last year, and is the #1 ranked team in the Playoffs this year. Most people think TCU is a top 6 or so team in the country. Again, we easily could have beaten them on the road this season.
Yes, we have to fix the issues we have, and start winning those games, but lets not act like there were multiple games, or long stretches of play where we got dominated. There are certain positions on the football field that can really affect your play. We aren’t getting what we need out of the QB position. If we were even getting Landry Jones type production, we’d be a 1 loss team. Is the answer on the team? Does TK improve, or is Mayfield the answer? Don’t know. But we aren’t that far off. I truly believe that.
Cool, that’s your opinion. I think we will be sitting in the same place as this year. You know TCU returns all but 3 starters, baylor on the road, texas will improve, OSU finally has a QB unlike OU, and KSU at KSU. We could have 5 losses next year and that’s in conference play.
You can’t do that. You can’t say a team is good this year, they lose very little, so they will spank us next year. There are a lot of teams that didn’t live up to expectations this year, and a lot that exceeded them. Here are some teams that have been very good recently that also lost four games this season. LSU. Auburn. USC. ND had 5 losses.
As for next year, why do OU fans think things can turn around over night? Maybe they can. I hope they do. I hope Mayfield or a transfer like Miller is the answer at QB. I hope the D secondary grows up, or the JUCO’s help. I hope Shannon comes back and helps the LB’s. But even if they don’t, even if Bob makes a few changes, it may be 2 years before we see that take hold.
That’s your opinion. I dont have that same opinion. My opinion is that this team and coaching staff have a long ways to go.
have to agree once again…………..6-6 with 5 conference losses
IF is a big word.
100% on target
et……..1) it’s a vent thread, so there’s venting…..2) since I’m old, I was in the stands in ’65 to witness the first time the pukes had won in 20 or so yrs and it was the final act of gomer jones…….no social media or message boards but bumper stickers and word-of-mouth frustration………’chuck chuck’, ‘bury barry’, the wilderness yrs of the late 80’s/90’s…..it’s just the nature of the beast in passionate fans who identify with football and it’s no different than many fan bases around the country……when I was on oui, you could go to other fan boards and meltdowns were no different…….the ut boards would actually shutdown from the outside world and deny access
I remember Bud’s last years before he resigned and it was painful to watch, after all the success he had and what a wonderful gentleman he was.
People are just going through the grieving process…except through a keyboard.
1- Denial (was during the game last night. “What?! Hill just ran that back? Hunnicut missed the FG? A freshman QB, in his 3rd start, just beat OU…in Norman?”)
2- Anger as the reality becomes apparent: OU is unranked to end the season, after being #4 just 8 weeks ago (99% of comments here and other places. “Fire them all! I’m ashamed! Josh Heupel’s overweight! Worst coaching job I’ve ever seen! Buncha (insert curse words)!!!” “I need to drink heavily to drown my sorrows!!”)
3- Bargaining (“If only Bob didn’t punt to Hill.” “If only Hunnicut hit those three missed FG’s this year…” “If only Knight, Shepard, etc. weren’t hurt…)
4- Depression (Will last all off-season. Also will lead to apathy during the Russell Athletic Bowl vs. Duke. “Eh, I guess I’ll watch. I’m just too sad to enjoy the game.”
5- Acceptance (Won’t come until after NSD, if we can have a good recruiting class…or until the start of next season. Or until coaching changes are made)
Some go through the five stages differently and faster than others.
For me I’ve done it too many times in too many different aspects of my life. I prefer to eat the pain and suffer in private.
Right there with you. It’s a disappointing season and I agree some things need to change.
But like you said, “I am unmoved by all the keyboard football experts that come here spouting their dribble and negativity.” I just hope OU fans show pride in their school and voice their displeasure respectfully
Yes it was disappointing and I’m certain there will be changes.
We can only hope the respectful voices are heard.
For those people that are calling for Bob Stoops to be fired to me they are just silly and I can’t take anything they say seriously.
SID Troll alert.
Debbie Downer appearance.
Why is there be two policies regarding players/coaches?
e.g. We put on the field the best man at his position,
regardless of experience or who his daddy is.
Shouldn’t we have the same policy on the coaching staff?
I hope everyone survived the evening. It’s just a game, folks.
And though they beat us, they are still…
Mike, Josh, and Bob. Praying to hear of some changes sooner than later
I’m actually ok with our entire staff staying as long as we quit having “execution” problems 🙂 If we can get those fixed, boy we should be contenders!!!
This is true but unfortunately we’ve had execution issues far too often.
Exactly…
Curious of everyone’s thoughts on what they’d like to see the Big 12 do. This “One True Champion” thing doesn’t appear to be helping us in the playoff. Less than an hour from the selection show and the Big 12 is predicted by most to be on the outside looking in. My personal preference would be to add 2 teams (I know easier said than done) and go back to having a conference championship game. Otherwise, I think this is just the beginning of us being on the outside looking in.
Let’s wait and see what the CFP Committee does before we panic. I can’t imagine there will be many years where the top 2 teams in the Big 12 end up tied, with the head to head game being as close as it was.
I’m also under the impression that the Big 12 cannot have a championship game without adding two teams. Is that still correct? Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of options in the way of adding too good teams quickly. So my guess is, the Big 12 won’t do anything for the short term.
I knew this was going to bite us. So many of the OU and Big 12 fans that used to whine and complain about other conferences not having a championship game, simply decided to change their opinion on such a game when the Big 12 dropped it. I do think it’s important, but we (the Big 12) may have screwed ourselves as to having any kind of fix in place any time soon.
I really miss the CFG. Wish they would drop the 12 team rule to have such a game.
That’s my understanding as well…that we can’t have a championship game or at least it doesn’t make sense to have one unless we add a couple of teams and don’t play everyone in the conference every year.
The Big XII has petitioned the NCAA to allow them to have a playoff game with 10 teams. It was denied. We do need to have divisions in order to eliminate a three-way tie.
If there is a two-tie, let the teams settle it on the field: petition for a 13 game season, not a championship game.
im confused… how would 13 game season settle it if its not a CFG? (should already be settled with head to head tiebreaker anyhow…)
you and i had this conversation yesterday, i think. and pollack agreed with you….baylor should be conference champs and in the playoff or not, tcu out on both. espn was just on with herbstreit saying that ohio st should be 4th(shocker) and the big 12 would be out. the big 12 and pac 12 are very close to the sec in talented teams this year, if not better. this gives espn an excuse to talk the big 12 out of the playoff and say the sec is almighty.
i think this is the perfect opportunity to show your ENTIRE body of work. “due to the schedule, we played at your place this year. you needed a miracle comeback to beat us by 3…at your place. we then both played a 7-5 team at their place, we beat em, you didn’t. you played crippled kids for an ooc, we played what turned out to be a pretty decent minnesota”- in my eyes, this argument holds a pretty good amount of water…we’ll see
I certainly see your point. But considering “on any given Sunday (saturday in this case)” I would have to fall back to head to head.
i just can’t see that. its not tcu’s fault the game was played in waco. yes they screwed the pooch big time by giving up a huge lead. look at us at creighton. if we end up with the same type record and everything is the same come tourney time, i would think we would still get the better seed because we play in a very tough conference and they play in a little easier conference. point being, baylor played the same conference toughness as tcu, but the ooc with minnesota vs doo-doo st., to me, gives tcu the nod….i may be a little biased because i can’t stand baylor and their dirty play
Touche… but BB is way different. Numerous more games and opportunities to prove your worthiness. Plus, you’re arguing over seeds in tourney, not who gets left out completely.
yes but you could do the same if it came down to us for one of the 12 seed play in deals and who gets crickets
Eh, I don’t think we should be allowed to do that. Take it how it is, or expand. Those are our options.
EXPAND or DISBAND! lol
What I’m interested to see is if the committee puts ohio state in the final 4 over tcu “because they are the better team” then I would like to know what tcu did wrong yesterday to be considered a worse team than fsu and ohio state. Fsu did nothing to impress and if Ohio state jumps tcu, it should be because they jumped fsu also.
might be influenced by tcu pounded a bad team while tosu pounded a better team………tosu has the nat’l name and big following…….I imagine that $$ and potential tv ratings play some part, admitted or not
Good points.
Ever since they decided to consolidate at 10 and remove the conference title game, to me, it put the conference behind the others. A conference championship game win is huge in the minds of voters. The Big 12 will be considered less of a Power 5 conference for as long as they don’t have an obvious championship determining factor. Occasionally we will have one true champion but usually there could be co-champs.
Don’t care who we get. We need 12 at least. All the other conferences have their ISUs and Kansas’. I would take Cincinnati, Colorado State, Central Florida, Louisville, BYU, Boise, Wyoming. Heck, anyone at this point. I would really consider colleges in strong recruitment states (Florida, Louisiana, California, Mississippi, Georgia etc)
I think it’s pretty weak of Briles and Big 12 fans in general to bitch and complain about the One True Champion thing ONLY after it affects your team. Don’t like it? Complain when the rules were first announced. We’ve known how the Big 12 was going to handle this for years. It just rubs me wrong to ONLY complain when it affects your team.
That’s why I’m complaining now. Ha!
I have no idea what schools might be open to switching conferences. I’m kind of a homer so I’d like to see the old Big 12 back together, especially the old Big 8. Without that happening, I’d be interested in adding possibly Houston and Memphis. I’d be open to adding another that’s closer to us than WVU. Nothing against them but they’re way out east. Just doesn’t make sense if we have a North/South or East/West division and they out in BFE.
Nebraska and Arky! dreaming I know..
Yeah, I’d go for it!
Gotta add someone. I’d prefer them to steal someone, but who knows. If Louisville could be persuaded, that would be a great get. I still don’t hate the idea of (as mentioned just now by Daddy R) wooing Nebraska’s return. I heard rumblings about that possibility, but not sure if it had even one leg, let alone many.
Actually, the conference website back in June or July said the head to head would be the tiebreaker, and there would be ONE TRUE CHAMP. Bowlsby decided to shift course after he realized it might cost his conference a team in the CFP. Which appears might happen anyway.
on CBS article…
“On the Big 12’s website, it says that effective June 2014 “the following procedure will determine the Big 12 Conference representative to the Sugar Bowl (or alternate College Football Playoff game when the Sugar Bowl is a semifinal) in the event of a first-place or alternate place tie (for the avoidance of doubt, only Conference records will be used throughout the process): a. If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.”
And head to head IS the tie breaker in terms of which team we send to the Sugar Bowl (or wherever this year). Never said they’d present it differently to the CFP Committee.
Might be true, but sounds like a copout..
My main bitch, is why promote “one true champ?” if you know damn well its entirely plausible that we wont have “one true Champ.”
When is the last time the Big 12 had an outright champion?
13 minutes to presentation time…. any predictions?
1) Bama
2) Oregon
3) FSU
4) tOSU
Looks about right. The AP has Baylor 4, tOSU 5 and TCU 6 but we’ll see what the committee says.
The Nuts have NO right to be in there. None. The didn’t play ANYONE of worth, and got beaten by VT. I hope they get bent over and dropped-kicked into a pile of steaming runny ****. What a crock. The first playoff, and it’s a truckload of crap.
If we’re going to play “shoulda, woulda, coulda”, we should have moved to the SEC when we had the chance. Texas & OSU be damned; we screwed ourselves right into mediocrity.
As bad as last night was. I don’t think there was a lower point than this
https://twitter.com/jasonkersey/status/541640525372485633
Yuck
Ouch! Reading that hurts.
Very serious question here; Would Bob fire Mike? I truly believe if Bob is unwilling to fire brother and JH he needs to be fired. If he is willing and does fire/demote both he should stay for another year or two, depending on results.
Thoughts?
I give him a few more years despite his choices.. He’s just been too damn good and deserves the chance.. We fans can suck it up..
I think he needs to be “willing” to fire anyone if he feels they are no longer the right person get the team to the next level. I don’t necessarily think he would “fire” either of them (could be wrong) but I do think he might “encourage” one or both of them to move on and even help them get a job somewhere else just to save them from getting fired. Just my thought.
Bob is not going to be fired unless he murders somebody, or sleeps with Boren’s wife. He has earned the right to run this program as he sees fit, given we don’t stay a 4 loss team for the next 5 years. But to suggest firing him, that is the kind of laughable stuff that makes me just lol at some of our fans. Fire Bob. Come on.
Curious… would you have fired Pelini from Neb? His record was pretty damn good overall (though his antics might be the main factor)
I’m counting on this team to go 12-2 or 11-2 next year. I know most fans think we’re staring at back to back 8-5 years. But when was the last time that happened. Following stoops worst seasons 99, 05, and 2009, we won the big 12 each of those seasons and played in a bcs bowl game. So if I were a betting man, I would bet ou ends up in the fiesta bowl next year.
I Like your style of thinking!
I do like your thinking. I always start the season thinking we will go undefeated. Just curious though, who do you have playing QB for us?
We may have that answer within a week. If knight can’t play in the bowl game (therefore misses the bowl practices) then I think it will be mayfield.
I think it NEEDS to be Mayfield. I seriously doubt whether we ever see Knight play even close to the same level as the Sugar Bowl.
Yeah I know but I’m not high on mayfield. And Trevor will have the most experience especially if he’s healthy enough to participate in the bowl and bowl practices.
I hear you. It’s a sad situation OU has right now in personnel at QB, WR and CB/S.
i don’t think ohio st has played a tougher schedule than baylor or tcu….so to me, it comes down to who you lost to. ohio st lost to virginia tech….nuff said
I know a lot of people want to see Kish gone. I’ve heard “too old”, “can’t recruit”, “our LB’s aren’t good” just to name a few. Random thought but Gary Gibbs is currently the LB coach for the Kansas City Chiefs. He’s been coaching as a DC and/or LB coach ever since he left OU. Wonder if Stoops would consider bringing him back in and/or if he would be interested. Just trying to think of names of people who could come in. On the offensive side, the obvious one would be Mangino.
Pretty sure there is no way on earth Gibbs comes back..
I like Gibbs though!!
Why would he not come back? You may know more than I do. Just curious what your thought is. I have no idea why he would or wouldn’t.
Oh, I know of no particular reason, other than when he was canned, he had had 3-4 pretty good seasons before that. Certainly a better coach than the two who followed him… I would still be bitter about that.
Yeah I remember watching Evans yesterday thinking, “does he even know what he is doing right now?” he just looked lost and ineffective.
shocker. former sec coach. we can keep the big 12 out, arguably the best conference this year. there is absolutely no rooting interest in my eyes. i loathe bama, can’t stand meyer, winston can eat poop, and oregon still hasn’t recovered the onside kick
Hahaha! Love the last bit about Oregon.
This is all on the B12 though. Had they expanded when realignment was happening, this could have all been avoided.
yeah, i suppose. but what they just told us is that if you aren’t OU or UT you have to go undefeated since you don’t have a ccg. well, that sucks to be them for the next however long
I love all the ESPN/Committee CCG love. I remember when the B12 was one of two or three that had it. Back then it sure was more of a detriment than a benefit if I recall correctly.
haha. exactly right. “we spent billions on this damn thing, and we’re gonna ride this thing into the ground and milk it for all its worth, by God. we will get our money back and then some”. whatever helps their cause. and people can say whatever they want about no bias and whatnot but they were looking for any excuse to put multiple sec teams in this thing and there’s no way the committee members never watch espn
Big 12 not represented…..big shocker there.
I blame Bowlsby! lol
Bama – tOSu, FSU – Oregon.
Money, money, money
is that the order, 1-4?
that was matchups. 1 Bama, 2 Oregon, 3 FSU, 4 tOSU,
yeah, thxs……..didn’t catch on at first read……….gotta’ say, as far as level of interest goes of possibly good/great games, I like it
don’t care for any of those teams for obvious reasons
So is everyone ready to see us expand by next season? Im betting we do, no matter who they add..
I wish but I don’t think there’s any way it could happen that fast. Usually once they come to an agreement, it takes a year or two to kick in.
Read a rumor where they are thinking of raiding AAC for Cinci, ECU, USF, and UCF. but we all know where rumors can go..
Best 4 teams, that’s what is about we don’t have a dog in that fight.
At least we have ONE true champion…………
Best quote of the Day!!
So, does TCU have to give their trophy back now? Seeing how our rules change now on the true champ?
I don’t know what they SHOULD do, I just know I’ve seen the “one true champion” ad run all year and now the committee admits that naming co-champions came into discussion about who to put into the final four.
Don’t we all get trophy’s?
That was a nice welcome to the big 12 for tcu. They kept moving up in conferences to get a better SOS. now they win the big 12 (shared) and get booted from the final 4.
so, mr long, you’re saying you were looking for an excuse to knock the big 12 out? all you have to do is break your top 2 qb’s legs and then beat a VERY one dimensional team with your 3rd qb and that trumps the rest of the season? it was an awesome win, but it doesn’t scream “put them in”. ohio st’s loss is AWFUL and not enough great wins to overcome
this and should have lost to penn st. to me, looks like they were looking at this hoping for this exact thing to happen. if ohio st won this game at all, with their 3rd stringer, they were in
” And in other news, Bob Bowlsby of the Big 12 (10), travels to Ft. Worth to take back TCU’s hardware, saying… Rules are rules.”
he sounds like a politician
So much potential, so much promise, so much lost. From #4 to out of the top 25. We’re not going forward; we’re going backward. Something needs to change. I don’t know if it’s Bob or the coordinators. Maybe all three. But something needs to change. I’d start with Josh.
rece, close your mouth. you don’t get an opinion. you’re the proctor. just point your finger at who should speak next
sweet sweater, saban. “we weren’t a good team in the kickoff classic”. whatever makes you feel better about yourself while downgrading an opponent. i’m sure you played bad against w.v. because it wasn’t a title game, hell, it wasn’t even an sec game
Big 12 and it’s “leaders” have no one to blame but themselves, especially Bowlsby. Maybe now we can expand to 12 teams and not get left out of the next one. Central Florida and BYU, anyone?
or NIU and Cincy….hell even New Mex and etc…
UCF and N. Illinois. Both are huge TV markets.
It’s amazing to me that Ohio State got in with a 3rd string QB.
Because recruiting. By the way, have you SEEN that guy?? 6’6″, 260lbs. Can run AND throw.
He looked very impressive, but I can’t help but remember TK’s struggles after the Sugar Bowel and Gilbert’s season after the NC game. Maybe he will be great, but I would have a tough time saying he is a national championship quality QB after one game.
Hell, he might not even start for them next year!
That is the direct result of focused recruiting to fit your scheme. Requires them to have an actual offensive identity though…oh, the horror.
I would hate to be the person who came up with the one true champion slogan. Haha. Possibly an SEC troll?
Baylor is the “ONE TRUE CHAMPION”, regardless of any other thing. simply put, 2 one loss teams, and Baylor won the head to head. Baylor is the Big XII champion. TCU is first loser, period! Freaking STUPID to say anything else. Am I right?
Sucks for the Big 12…but it is pretty cool to have a playoff. Looks like an interesting matchup. Yeah, Bowlsby may not have helped out the Big 12 as much as we would have liked. But I still point my finger to Dan Beebe, the one guy who singlehandly brought the demise of the Big 12.
Crazy watching Ohio State going through three quarterbacks this season, all looking like great leaders, with charisma and talent. Meanwhile, OU at times looks like the Three Stooges with our QB development.
Our loss yesterday played a role as both lost a win versus what is considered a top 25 team and only makes the big 12 look more mediocre. The big 12 has to expand because OU and Texas are down so there has to be one true champion by virtue of a championship game.
The Big XII really messed up by not adding Louisville when they had the chance
This. SO this.
The big 12 goes if OU and texas are major players in this conference. If they are down then the conference as a whole is down. If they can get back to being dominant then maybe the Big 12 would of got a team in.
I really loved how Joey Galloway, an Ohio State guy, defended TCU and the “how do they drop from 3 to 6 when they won?” argument. Palmer made some great points too. Not sure about Okie Light winning the B1G West, but I liked what he said. Herbie is just pissing me off. And I CANNOT stand looking at Jimbo’s ugly mug…
Joey Galloway is a breath of fresh air on ESPN. He seems genuine and knowledgeable, unlike many other “analysts” they employ
Helluva player too. For MANY years.
As a Cowboys fan, that trade for him wasn’t so great. But I agree he was a great player overall
yeah everything he had to say seemed like something cfb fans would think. “how. how do you go from better than fsu one day and then 5 days later you’e down 3 spots and you blew your opponent out.” herbstreit sounded like the freakin homer he is and a shill for the sec which he is. i have no idea how the meetings go at espn but it seems like they always tell someone to take one side of an issue and another to take the other side, unless its sec greatness, then they all agree. i would want to keep my integrity and talk up whatever i felt in my heart
One thing’s for sure: FSU doesn’t beat Bama or Ohio State. I sincerely hope that they are obliterated. So f’ing tired of Jameis Winston.
I’d take FSU over Ohio state. The big 10 is the weakest conference of all.
Weak conference for sure but OSU is strong right now. Stronger than any team FSU has played so far. So we agree to disagree. Of course, OSU would have to beat Bama to play FSU and I don’t anybody is going to do that.
We need change
Whoop there it is.
this pretty much sums up yesterday, the season and a lot of other things……….
…….http://i.imgur.com/F6lkErS.gif
I really, really could have done without seeing that.
That’s hilarious! Is it Mike or Josh?
Have they said who we are playing in the Scrubbing Bulbbles Toilet Bowl?
Hahaha! I thought it would be the Clorox Toilet Bowl. Good sponsorship though.
I think it should be Nebraska in the No One Gives A Damn Bowl…
Soo…It’ll be interesting to see where OU goes from here and what, if any, changes Bob will make. Sad to see all those great Seniors lose their final game in Norman, though.
Big 12 meetings start tomorrow in New York I think… Should be interesting. Does the CFP committee have to show how individual members voted? Curious how oliver luck voted..
Think Briles shows up to challenge Bowlsby to a duel?
Someone needs to call BYU and BSU, thats all I know.
BYU I could take, but I absolutely despise that Blue turf and Boise St. Maybe something to do with the loss a few years back… yeah, I’m still bitter.
Cincinnati and Northern Illinois over Boise and BYU. Get us into some fairly decent recruiting and TV markets.
i have honestly never heard n ill mentioned. i’ve heard a ton of schools mentioned but never them. i like it. they got hot with the kid who just left and seemed to still be good the year after he left. now would be the time to get em. cincy’s a good one too
Agree. Now is the time to expand. Ten teams simply won’t work in the playoff era.
yep. not only did tcu and baylor get left out. they left out k st from the new yrs 6 or whatever its called. of course, you might could only have 2, so it may be moot anyway
Cincy & N Illinois aren’t significant TV draws. BYU is, ucf isn’t but they draw more than uni & cincy combined.
N. Illinois is a huge market. Chicago area loves football
Pro football, not college with the exception of Notre Dame.
Northern Illinois is in the middle of a cornfield, and is about as relevant as Iowa state football.
True today, but UCF was nobody 5 years ago. Being from Joliet originally, not sure the Pro is the only sports they do follow. I was never a fan of NW, but many ppl are. College sports is definitely major topic on Saturdays. But I also like the BYU / UCF for admission.
IF Boise ever gets into a P5, I bet the willing conference DEMAND the turf be made green. Unfair advantage.
My god. Can you imagine the road trip from Morgantown to Boise?? I’ll take BYU & Central Florida for 800, Alex!
BYU is quite a trip for WV too… but no worse than Colorado would have been. But yeah UCF would work, keeps us off the blue turf.
Plus it’s a HUGE school(40k+ students, I believe) in a big media market. Would also give us an inroads to recruiting the state.
you mean MORE inroads to a state where we already have a decent pipeline? Yeah I cant see UCF having any downsides. Honestly, all TCU added was another team (even if it was a strong one). We already had the market share in DFW from the OU and UT fans there…
I wanted BYU too, but it will not happen. BYU won’t play sunday sports, and the rest of the conference (ANY conference) won’t accommodate it. Why would they. since it would cause major scheduling problems (cost money) for all but one school? That makes no sense.
Thus, we have an impasse. The only way BYU gets in is changing their policy, and they will not.
I wonder if we’ll even expand. The Big 12 might just pit the #1 & #2 teams in conference against each other in a rematch, like TCU & Baylor this year.
NCAA would have to approve, and they’ve rejected that before.
Yuck.
I’d rather take Cincy, and either SF or UCF. We screwed the pooch by not grabbing Louisville when they were available. They have good football and basketball programs. Would have been an excellent fit.
I wonder how Briles and Patterson, and their schools’ respective AD’s felt about expansion of the Big 12 before now? Guessing both were against, for a variety of reasons. So really, they look stupid arguing for it now. This is what most Big 12 schools “seemed” to want. You reap what you sow.
New York? Why so far away? I would think Dallas.
Quick! Someone offer Ohio State’s QB Coach OU’s OC position!!!
Amen!
Third String QB behind 2 guys who could compete for Heisman Trophies?? No Worries, just let me reload real fast…
Not really fair to call him third string. He has been 2nd string all season, and actually, before the season actually started.
Same with calling osu’s Rudolph 3rd string. He was only the 3rd QB used b/c they were trying to redshirt him. He is easily the 2nd most talented, maybe the most talented.
Now to OU. If you are ranking QB’s on campus right now, where would you rank CT? I’d put him 4th. Behind TK, Bell, and probably Mayfield.
yeah, but thats what I was thinking, Miller, Barrett and whatever this new superstar’s name is that Urban seems to have pulled out of a hat… And honestly, I think ours rank probably, Mayfield, Bell, TK and CT…
I have a question for all of you; Do you think we have good qbs that are not getting good coaching? or is it that qbs we have are just average with good coaching? Or Does Heupel just don’t have a clue how to run a decent offense for these guys? I’m not even sure what to think anymore.
I think we have adequate (not particularly good) and athletic QBs who are not developing to their potential. So yes, thats on the coaching. My personal opinion (which means squat really) is that JH is too wrapped up in trying to overthink a Offensive game plan to properly develop QBs.
Based on what I’ve seen, I think our QB’s are not very good passers. They were recruited because they could run. We’re not using them to run. TK9 was obviously best passing the ball when he was able to run also. He was held back by the coaches from doing that. JH has a long enough history here for us to make some educated points about him. He obviously helped develop some really good QB’s. Developing QB’s hasn’t worked very well since Bradford left. This would lead me to ask the question, “Was it really JH developing those guys or were they just really good without him?” I think that’s a fair question. His play calling over the years has been a toss up. Sometimes it’s brilliant and other times it’s horrible…regardless of EXECUTION. It’s hard to fault an offense that often scores over 30 points but you still get the feeling that his play calling has killed our momentum or killer instinct at times.
“Developing QB’s hasn’t worked very well since Bradford left. This would lead me to ask the question, “Was it really JH developing those guys or were they just really good without him?” This is what makes me think he has not been as good with the QBs since taking over as “Co-OC”… As to your point about his bipolar play calling, I think if he is QB coach OR OC ( and we get someone to actually DO the job he doesnt have) then things get better. Personally I would rather have a true OC and move JH back to QBs.
Ideally yeah, move JH back to QB coach and bring in Mangino or someone else to call plays. BUT as we all know, it doesn’t work that way. That would be a demotion for JH and he wouldn’t go for that. He would leave if Stoops offered that or Stoops would just let him go and go in a different direction all together.
Sounds like bringing in someone else on the staff would be the right move, then!
I happen to think Landry developed just fine. He might have platatoed after his soph season, but maybe that was ceiling. Maybe after all the PT he got those first two years, and with what we needed him to do, that was as good as he could be. We’re 11-1 is Landry is our QB this season. So I don’t think it’s fair to include him. Start with TK and CT in the “non-development” discussion.
We aren’t recruiting good QBs and they are POORLY utilized and coached when they get here. Just remember Jameis Winston was an OU fan and wanted to come to OU…and we offered TK. Now, Winston is a low character turd but from a talent analysis standpoint, that was bad. Cody Thomas is a decent runner but not much of a passer, obviously. So far he hasn’t panned out as a baseball player either. Walkon transfer Baker Mayfield was the best QB we had in the spring. What does that tell you about our ability to recruit and develop QB talent? We need to sign at least 2 QBs in this class because we are hurting at that position in a bad way.
I thought he was a UT fan that wanted to go to UT? Link?
This is one of the first comments I’ve seen on twitter from the visitors. The other I saw was from hearne. Looks like Samuel had a good time
https://twitter.com/colinsamuel9/status/541681440765644800
Well, that’s nice to see.
And Brandon, thedrake, posted that Kareem Orr decommitted from Louisville and is/was strongly considering committing to ou.
I was just about to say something about that.. Finally some good news
Who is that with BJW?
Looks like it. I’m not sure
Just out of curiosity, what do you all think is the biggest problem for OU at this moment – offense or defense?
Biggest offensive problem: Josh Heupel.
Biggest defensive problem: Mike Stoops.
Offense: Josh Heupel
Defense: Mike Stoops
That is a great question. This feels like a cop out, but I think it’s pretty equal. I do think we have big time problems at QB, but the offense, for the most part, was able to put enough points on the board to win most games. And I don’t think the D played as badly, most of the time, as some would think. Take away the points they gave up that were on pick 6’s from the offense, and they too were good enough to win most games.
I guess I’d put it this way. I think better QB play (Mayfield, maybe?) will make the offense look much better. I think the D needs a bit more work. Not sure if it’s scheme. Coaching. Or more talent is needed.
I agree that both need work. I think I tend to lean towards defense being the bigger problem this season though. I was not aware, and am not sure how many fans are aware, that OU is ranked 10th in the NCAA in scoring offense (10/125) and 19th in total offense (19/125). On scoring defense we are 47/125, on total defense 53/125, and on passing defense we are an abysmal 115/125. I know statistics aren’t everything, but they are interesting here.
I guess to put it another way, my concerns about the offense are more centered around QB development than they are overall scheme or individual play calls. I don’t think our offense is in terrible shape.
So, who are we looking at for the bowl game?
Jordan and the TFB family, did OU offer Chason Virgil?
This.
What troubles me is the lack of player development, especially at QB and DB. Landry never took that next step after a pretty good freshman to sophomore improvement. Bell, Knight, Thompson, Thomas… all average to below average in the passing game. Heupel needs to do his job.
Just wanted to point out, as others in this thread have, that the title of this thread is “Post Game Vent Thread” so I’m assuming that TFB are eliciting a response from those OU fans who wish to “vent” about this game. Reasonable assumption?
So, if you don’t have an issue with the results or what led to the results of this game and don’t feel a need to vent, why bother coming on here if it’s not to just disagree with folks or further stir the pot? Just curious.
Some Sooner fans just show their passion in different ways, it doesn’t make them any more or less a fan.
I think the means of venting is going to be different for many people. Venting for some is going to include sometimes not agreeing with someone else’s opinion. Venting for some others may include a need to discuss something other than “Fire everybody!” The only wrong way IMOHO is to reduce this place to prepubescent namecalling and personal insults. It rarely happens here, and for that I’m grateful.
I said all this weeks ago and I was heavily critisized by most on here!! Who’s laughing now?