Sooners News Daily 1.22.15
Posted on: January 22, 2015
FOOTBALL
OU’s Daryl Williams impressing early on at Senior Bowl practices. (NFL)
#SeniorBowl video: Ga.Tech OG Shaq Mason and Oklahoma OT Daryl Williams destroy Houston DL Joey Mbu on… http://t.co/pc0dqBVHbe
— Chase Goodbread (@ChaseGoodbread) January 21, 2015
Remember the name Tommy Grady? (Box Score News)
RECRUITING
WTF?!? So you string this kid along for weeks on end, he gets offered by another “big name” program, commits, and then you finally decided “oh, okay, I guess now we can offer.” I can’t even properly express my frustration with the stupidity of how OU handled this.
#Oklahoma offers 2015 #TexasA&M commit OLB Dwaine Thomas (Hahnville HS, LA) @_dweezy15 @VarsityPreps @SouthRecruit1 #BoomerSooner
— Coach Warren VPreps (@DemetricDWarren) January 22, 2015
BASKETBALL
Buddy Buckets with the Sports Illustrated article. Boomer Sooner pic.twitter.com/ZL3x4eQdKR
— Zac Rogers (@zacrogers4) January 22, 2015
In #Big12 play, Buddy Hield 1st in scoring (23.0) & 3's (3.5), 5th in FG% (.512), 3FG% (.438) & FT% (.853). And best rebounding guard (6.7).
— Oklahoma Basketball (@OU_MBBall) January 21, 2015
OTHER
For the third season in a row, the #Sooners are atop the Big 12 Coaches’ Preseason Poll: http://t.co/Dp8AovNWbh pic.twitter.com/FqmpBeqrnC
— Oklahoma Softball (@OU_Softball) January 21, 2015
OU’s @GaylordCollege Named One of Nation's Top 10 Journalism Programs http://t.co/zEXTTZekF0
— OU Alumni (@OU_Alumni) January 21, 2015
’30 for 30′ short – The origin story of Gatorade (Grantland)
Yet another Walking Dead trailer.
Could have been better, but anything with Archer will do.
Looks somewhat promising.
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93 Comments
Let me start by saying I really like CBS and hope he is here
for a long time. This is in reference to the late offer to Dwaine Thomas. I
know it’s an easy out to blame coach Kish. I like most of you, think he may be
a little past his prime as far as connecting to current social media and
closing with the young men today. Now having said that, I am not sure why or
who decided to offer Thomas this late. To assume it was Kish is just wrong
IMHO, Kish can make no offers without approval from the Co- D cord or from CBS. So I think we give Kish a pass on this. I respect Kish for being strait with the player. There are always two sides and two ways of viewing an interaction. Kish may have said what he
said to Thomas, but we don’t know in what context.
Sorry, for an additional thought, Have you ever thought about this. We have 4 either former/current D cord or Co-D cord on staff (CBS, CMS, Kish and now CJM). I think/hope we can right the ship this year. I really think the issues are in the back end of our D.
Our D is/was very young, I hope we see a big jump this year.
I agree, it’s popular to blame Kish for everything linebacker related.. Fact is, if Bob or Mike liked Thomas enough, they would’ve offered him long ago.. Didn’t Bob do just that with Patterson a few weeks ago..? Maybe a ‘ship is opening up & that is what made this offer possible..
If memory serves me right hasn’t there been coaches visiting him tho no offer was made ?
Yes.. & I believe Kish made the offer yesterday, he was seen in the New Orleans airport yesterday..
Thought so, Not thrilled about the player, More worried this means bad news with other LB targets (Josh Smith & Arthur McGinnis)
This is where I stand. I think Thomas will be a good player after sitting for 2 years to bulk up. I think he needs to add 30-40 pounds to play linebacker. We’ve been playing too many under sized guys do with smith and McGinnis I know we would be landing guys who are physically ready.
It did happen after Reid said he was no longer interested ha
Patterson wasn’t offered bc he was having trouble qualifying.
Now that makes sense.
Jeremy………….good point.
Isn’t the most likely scenario that since OU lost out on a couple of the bigger name linebackers and now they are falling back in order of who they like next? Players whom they think they have a shot at. That’s just the nature of the beast. Nothing against the kid, just part of the deal.
And the way we would want them to run things. Offer you is 1st on your board them go down the list.
Gerald McCoy on Mike and Mike this am
The Kyler Murray saga is amusing… I suggested a few weeks back when he was flirting with OU that it’s entirely possible he’s just playing the recruiting game & creating a bit of buzz for his official announcement or signing.. Now, I’m not sure what’s funnier to me.. The Ag’s flipping out over the possibility of Murray & Lodge flipping to UT.. Or the ‘sippers buying this troll job hook, line & sinker… only to have their hearts ripped out on signing day..
My children better not do drugs, be violent without cause, be bullies, be disrespectful, and they certainly better not do this. I don’t care who you are. I wanted Murray early on but now I’m turned off back his actions. We don’t need the likes of him in the locker room.
I’d much rather lose every game with 22 guys, who have the right attitude: his actions are not the actions of a leader.
The only way to stop this irrational behavior is for Sumlin to pull the scholarship offer. Send the message that we no longer desire to have you on our team, part of our student body. He needs to know that your talent is a small part of what made you attractive. Tell him, as direct as possible, “We don’t want you anymore.”
I hope his parents crawled up is *ss. I know part of it is being young but he’s been in the spotlight long enough to know what’s expected of him.
Let him go to A&M or texsa. Please, Murray, stay away from OU.
So make it a 100% chance he signs with your rival? Makes perfect sense!!!!
Here’s how I see it: if he goes to texsa, and taking into consideration that we play texsa once a year, there are 10 other games that he will have zero impact: win or lose.
He’s not the only great QB in the universe.
I’m not expecting much success from our defense next year.
I hope to get a Dallas Cowboys-like surprise where the defense actually makes up for their weaknesses by playing with extraordinary passion.
But with Bob seemingly content to maintain the status quo, I’m a little bummed.
You can stick up for kish if you like but im done with this guy there is no reason that the university of Oklahoma cannot recruit better at lb then what they are.
It gets more difficult to defend him by the day — especially when you have the rest of the staff pulling in talent, being mentioned by others, and generally just hitting the recruiting trail like an old west posse.
I love Archer. You’re right, could have been better. Not quite the same w/o the cursing and sexual references.
Saw this Little excerpt from senior Bowl practices. Little Background though. Ken Whisenhunt was the off. coord. that was at Pittsburgh Steeles while the great Bill Cowher was there. They had an old Steelers philosophy of Physical play and system running between the tackles that demanded you execute better than the guy across from you…This is what he had to say regarding spread Qb’s…» With so many of the players trying to transition from spread offenses
in college to more of a pro-style attack, North coach and Titans head man and Ken Whisenhunt
wasn’t expecting too much crispness from his players in terms of the
little things some take for granted in the pro game. After taking a
quick survey during a team meeting, Whisenhunt noted only five of
roughly 30 players said they huddled regularly in school…
caveat means “warning”
okay….
lol
While I understand what you are saying, I don’t know why OU whould be worried about the pro offenses to begin with. OU is recruiting and coaching to win at OU, not to help the Titans figure out who to draft. There has never been a problem getting highly recruited and talented QB’s on campus. The only failue has been trying to make those QB’s into something they were not, like running the zone read with a QB that can’t make the right read or not allowing him to run it at all.
Think of the best QB’s in the NFL and think about what they won in college. Manning (Eli and Payton both), Brady, Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, Stafford, Romo, Roethlisberger, Luck, Rivers, Kaepernick, Ryan…they all have something in common. Not a single one of them won a NC as a starting QB (the only exception to winning one at all is Brady who was a backup when Michigan won in 1997).
Of the top 25 QB’s in QBR in the NFL last season, not a single one was a starting QB on an NCAA NC team.
If playing in the NFL is the only thing a player is looking for when choosing which college to attend, then they all need to avoid teams in the NC hunt.
Malicong malicong, you disappoint me….You have forgotten the 2001-2008 seasons. All those offenses were stopped because they all had weaknesses. It take a good team to exploit it though. I guess winning 9-10 games a year U are happy with the program, sorry if that is the standard U have set for this team….
So teams that run a no huddle only win 9-10 games a year? How much did Ohio St and Oregon huddle up? Auburn? Florida St?
Anything less than a NC is a disappointment at OU, if that isn’t obvious by now, you are not paying attention.
You seem to have forgotten your point. You were trying to translate OU QB’s success in the pro’s to a lack of talent at QB in recruiting. I doubt Bob and Boren had a meeting about making sure the new OC would develop QB’s so that could huddle in the NFL. They only care about winning at OU. Every offense has a weakness. Every team is stopped at some point, even the very best (see Oregon in the NC game, Ohio St vs V Tech)
If the only way you can reply to a counterpoint is with condesention, it makes you look more and more like a troll. I have a question for you, is there anything about the OU program you DO like?
Yes the Majority of Switzers teams. I applaud the 2000 team for winning but If they would have had to play that Miami squad…Just saying…. one team is coached well and then you had Bobby Bowden, one of the biggest chokers the game has seen. Lost more big games than won em’ that what fsu fans might tack on to his headstone….
So you don’t like anything since Stoops was hired other than 2000?
Malicong Ohio St. did not win the game because they were in shotgun…They won the game because they were more physical, they executed better, they did not have alot of turnovers, they made crucial 3rd downs their WR’s beat Db’s not from running up and down a field but from designed plays and those players made plays when they had to. We could have done the same thing versus Meyer at florida but the thing is…and it’s a big thing, you have to do it? When has a stoops team done this in a title game? 13-2 is an anomaly…
Ohio St beat the tar out of Oregon, that is for sure, but there was also some fortune involved as well. Ohio St had a 250 QB as a third stringer, Oregon could not make up for the loss of their best DB and best WR. A minor point, they actually did have a lot of turnovers, 4 to be exact.
The LSU and Florida games were not blowouts and the offense did struggle, but it wasn’t because of the offensive scheme. Those teams had great defenses that stopped everyone, the fact that OU was running a spread was a coincidence.
Malicong sorry if I’m coming off condescending..I just disagree with your observation is all…
I should probably take my own advice, I was a little consecending as well.
Like I have said before how does Kish have a job at OU????
Preaching to the choir, son. It’s beyond unfathomable. It’s beyond any sort of comprehension. The actions of this staff are completely befuddling.
Again, not hard to figure this one out either. Kish has a job because Bob wants him on the staff. I’ve been told by many that he is an outstanding LB coach. Let Monty recruit the LB’s, if that makes you feel better.
I don’t understand what is so difficult to understand about the Thomas recruitment. He was a back-up plan guy and clearly should have been. We stayed in touch and let him know that we were still interested if things fell through with our previously offered LB’s. This happens all of the time in recruiting! It is becoming increasingly clear that we are going to miss out on a number of our frontline offers. So what do we do? We now offer our back up plan guy! It’s pretty simple to me. Not sure how Jordan and others can’t see this. BTW, don’t you think he was a back up guy for A&M as well? Are their fans going nuts over his late offer over there? Don’t know the answer to hat one, but doubtful.
Ags are going crazy about 247 guys flipping their crystal ball to UT for Kyler Murray
I think it’s the slow-playing of the back up plan that has people so upset.
Exactly how to you fast-play a back up plan?
Bingo!
see my reply above to Dave
That’s what you do to a back up plan guy!!! Geez!!
Calm down, Dave, you’re misunderstanding me. Once the back-up plan guy became the first-option guy, they then still slowed played him. Why slow play your newest #1 option? Make sense?
who said he’s the first option guy? Maybe a scholly just opened up (see Reid eliminating OU), or they know other LB’s are off the board (McGuiness/Smith). Looks to me like they offered as soon as they were comfortable offering.
Jim, no, you do not make sense. He just became a first-option guy, to use your word, when we offered him this week. Up until then he was definitely still a back-up plan guy. So are you saying that they have slow-played him all this week after they offered?
Not only that, but too suggest Kish, a guy probably on his way out the door, is solely responsible for the timing of this offer is ludicrous.
Bash the late offer all you want, but recruiting is still a game. If you think you can hold off on offering a guy, and still get him late if you want/need him, sometimes that is a chance you take. You probably don’t do that with a guy like Murray, or Lodge, or Lampkin…..but you most certainly do it with guys that had no major offers as of a few days ago.
Boomer………………if he was a backup plan, he shouldn’t be offered now that aTm has taken a commitment from him……….let him go. he didn’t get better all of a sudden….
No one is saying that he suddenly got better. Hopefully, we felt he was “OU good enough” In the beginning, just not as good as the others who were offered.
Done talking about Kish. There is just no explanation. No use wasting time rationalizing things with him. Nope
Folks are making too much out of the late offer to Thomas. I was/am a big fan of his game. Unlike previous HS safeties turned LB players OU has been getting by with this kid is pure linebacker. He may be undersized in terms of weight but he uses his hands well, fights off blocks and finds the ball like he has it on GPS. D. Alexander is serviceable at linebacker but I can’t say he is good. Evans is getting there because he has that nasty streak…Dom does not. I am glad OU finally offered this kid. No one was gritching with the late offer to Van Jefferson. At least OU is in the hunt for both these guys. Sounds like OU cutting back on the number of CBs for this class opened up a slot for another LB. May have little to do with the chances on other LB offers- though I think Smith has little real interest in OU.
What I know about the spread is if it start out working really well U can do some damage but If a team makes adjustments and U start seeing 3 & outs or interceptions, they got your number the rest of the game….
Hopefully thats where Samaje Perine, Joe Mixon, and Alex Ross can keep the offense moving
How are they to do that is the question U might want to be asking. Your either committed to running and have the guys and mentality and know how to do it or you are the throwing it 45 times a game. Good teams wil take away what you do best and you better be able to adjust. I’m just saying all the spread teams I have seen have always struggled if the other teams defense start forcing them to really execute. The Spread is like a basketball team that runs up & down the floor trying to get dunks & layup or open 3’s. When great teams have not allowed the fastbreak to be a factor those teams have really struggled….Remember the New England vs. Giants? Clash of philosophy and New England thought they could run those same plays that were effective versus everyone else but the giants got penetration U started to see Brady get uncomfortable, then he started to get frustrated…Not enough points to win them the game. The giants plodded thru with the occasional big catch and the won. Or just go back and watch the Buffalo Bills versus Bill Parcells last giants game in the SuperBowl…same thing.
Im going to wait and see if he calls 60 passes a game. If he does then I won’t be happy, but gonna at least give the guy a chance. Either it ends very well or Bob Stoops gets fired in the near future.
Ends very well? Look I’m never going to expect stoops to go 5-6 but what will you be unhappy about here. Will 10-2 or 9-3 be acceptable to keep him here another 15 years? Or will people begin to see the light and say it’s time to go in a different direction. Like I said earlier we are not getting top players here at OU unless they feel it is going to help them at the pro level. Telling an 16-18 yr.old kid the pros & cons and %? They’ll just keep heading to Baylor, or Ohio St. Usc, and about 20 more….
You can change your name all you want but everyone knows where you stand castor. We don’t need 900 posts verifying it
Use the collapse (-), ignoring is the best way to deal with it. 🙂
Does it take out all the trash or just that one?
It will take out those posts you wish to ignore.
Aw man. It doesn’t get rid of a whole person? Just post by post? That’s too much like work but thank you for the tip. Sucks when these things turn in to rant threads when the eeyores get ahold of it
I’m just ignoring everything he posts. Only purpose is to get under someones skin and start an argument.
Um 9-3 isnt cutting it for me, but face it OU isnt that far off from winning the B12 either. And OU did lose 3 games while scoring 30+ points. So it’s not just Riley that has things to fix. While I agree OU needs more talent on the roster, the coaches seem to understand that and are recruiting accordingly. Not sure whats going on at LB but the other positions all have some talent coming( minus QB)
and I never said he was going to put the ball up 60 times a game. But I do remember Notre Dame forcing an Oklahoma team who was thought to be balanced before that game(they learned during the game they were not) into Landry Jones forcing 60 pass attempts I believe or very close to it. Just Sayin’….
No doubt, but you don’t really know what the offense will look like next year. Wait and see, if it goes south like you think, then yeah by all means demand change. I know I will too. I am not satisfied with 9 or 10 win seasons either.
I hear ya brother…Funny thing about me, U would have never thought the words would come out of my mouth until that Ksu debacle back in 2003. We were a good team that year but we just had not played anyone that would challenge that team. Snyder that Old Master decided that was exactly what he was going to do. Hit the bully straight in the face, he punches, but has never been punched back…
Thats true to some degree. Sooners can’t win just because the OU on the helmet anymore. Now Baylor and TCU are leading the charge and they better realize its time for action, which Im hoping Riley can cause and still holding out hope they boot Kish to the curb too
And yet NE kept that offense, and here they are in another SB.
LOL….
I think it’s ridiculous that our new OC said he’s going to be closed minded and only give the ball to certain positions, regardless of the talent on the field.
The NFL is not the NCAA for one.
Second, who ever said that the run can not be utilized in the spread? Holgerson and Monkin didn’t have a problem getting the running game going with the passing game. Q Griffin ran for 1800 yds in the spread.
Who did they play that could stop that? I believe 2002 is what your referring too…? We lost to A&M, how many yards did griffin have? How many passes did we have to throw? Oklahoma State game, same thing…
I was actually at that A&M game (my one and probably only time I will ever go to that hole). Q rushed for 140 I believe. That game was lost because of the DB giving up big plays. Reggie McNeal threw for nearly 200 yds on 8 completions. OU actually ran more run plays than pass plays.
The OSU game he ran for over 100 again. The play calling was about the same as the A&M game with the calls nearly a 50/50, run/pass split.
Malicong I get what your saying. Problem is Under offenses that are ran by those hired by stoops, We have never been able to run the ball when we had too. USC chomped us up and spit us out. I’m telling U read their book, they told their D-line, if U let these guys get 4-5 yards a crack, do not even bother coming back into this locker room. Dead serious..We have had big OL, fast OL, who when matched up with a great player, they did not compete at a high level. Some of that is on the players. Alot of it is on coaching and the mentality you get your guys to play with.
You are saying a lot here. I do like what Bob has done second fastest to 100 wins. Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t CBS believe that players motivate themselves? The KING was always in the locker room talking up the game, “We need to block…” get off the ball…”
The USC game we had Peterson as a freshman and he couldn’t get but 2-3 yards a pop. Our FB couldn’t clear space nor could the O line. We had two eventual pro bowlers D Joseph and J Brown. Are you saying that they disrespected our OL? Or are you saying that they knew if we ran the ball they would be in trouble? What book are you referring to by the way? OU was favored by 6 in that game. Lost. Favored over LSU lost. Underdogs against Florida (trailed by 3 in the 4th.
Hey Hunter it was one of those magical season books folks come out with when a traditional program rises from the ashes and wins a title. Lsu & Saban came out with there’s too. Hell we has 2-3 come out when we last won our Nat’l title too..I know Ou has made millions of dollars for other programs when they have beaten us. Memorabilia, books, shirts etc…Saban, Boise, Meyer, etc should all be thanking us..We’ve practically made their careers…lol
Yeah I had to take a moment to feed my belly..!LOL Anyways yeah patterson, shaun cody, Soph. def.line they had. they got the better of us. I was drinking heavy before the game got horribly sick to my stomach by halftime and I have not watched the game since until couple days ago. Watch the game on youtube. Really study Carroll & his staffs body language and sideline before the game and after 1 quarter. Hurts me to say this because I did not think usc had a chance and I was in shock by halftime….They beat us in every way a team can be beat. They made competitive play after competitive play offense and defense. They played fast and they looked angry and intense out there…Never seen a killer instinct like I saw a team have in that game…We just did not compete and we seemed coaches and players to be okay with that…
Yeah I was sick too. I mean we get them three and out and then drive 85 yards TD. After that down hill. Of all the defeats that along with the Arkansas game in 77 were the worst. I suspect you don’t believe BS motivates enough. I’ve been wondering. The last time I saw OU fired up was 08 against Tech. Can the position coaches fire up the squad?
Well Lou Holtz who I greatly respect was one helluva coach. Without them standing in the way of miami in the late 80’s and early 90’s miami likely has about 7 national titles now…Holtz believed in motivating his players for a dog fight, Meyer is the same way and Also Pete Carroll but Carroll program even in the NFL is much different than any NFL team. U would do well to research for yourself. It is powerful stuff, much different than hat stoops who just prepares from what he studies on film and believes it is up to the players once they are given the game plan. Totally disagree with this line of thinking but that is an argument for another day…
If you shut down any offense’s base and best plays, the results are the same.
I do believe that J.Shipp was let go for not recruiting (which he needed to go)
Development was another key issue with Shipp
When was the last time we had a difference maker at the linebacker position……yea…..we used to churn out butkus winners……now…..we just churn out busts
Been a while, that’s for sure.
Or guys that get carried for 5 yards.
Calmus, Marshall, Lehman, Lofton…I’ll take a crippled Ryan Reynolds.
Corey Nelson and Travis Lewis too.
Gerald McCoy to be on Mike and Mike this morning about 10am CDT.
Am I the only one that doesn’t quite understand what exactly Walking Dead, Archer, and the two movies trailers have to do with Sooners News?
Your obviously new to this site
Naw been here since the beginning, just today thought I would mention it
The Sooners are cool. The Walking Dead is cool.
See?