Sooners News Daily 1.19.15
Posted on: January 19, 2015
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Lincoln Riley introductory presser from Saturday, ICYMI. (SSTV)
“I had a direction I wanted to go,” Stoops said. “I felt over the last several years we’d gravitated away from where we started here. That was in the Hal Mumme, Leach-type system in how we’re moving the football. We had so much success with it through the years.” – Every single thing about this quote worries me. It represents everything I didn’t want this Lincoln Riley hire to be. That said, I’m obviously not going to write the guy off before he calls a single play. But this Stoops quote did nothing to ease my initial concerns. (TW)
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366 Comments
Why is it so difficult to implement a pro-style offense? One thing we know – air raid punishes defenses, both their’s and your’s.
And who was the last air-raid/spread team to win a national championship?
Ohio State. There are a lot of types of spread. Be patient.
OSU runs the air raid? Were you drunk during the playoffs?
Define spread. No, I was not drunk and I’m not here to say you’re right or wrong. I’ve studied from different college/HS coaches the different styles of spread. I have a vested interest.
I was referring to the Mike Leach/Hal Mumme offense.
Fair enough, wasn’t presented that way. Lot of different types of spread/air raid offenses. There are a lot of power conf teams incorporating the spread/air raid. Reason, the rules favor the WRs and QBs. Leach/Mumme is on the extreme side of air raid. There is not just one type is all I’m saying. Just like West coast offenses, everyone had a flavor of their own.
I get it, Stoops is not going to change…Especially for loyal(fanatics who have gotten in fist fight) arguments in the name of OU. But the sheeple who have decided to be followers to the end have decided that “better than most” and occasionally winning a bowl game is the new standard here…It’s like people have forgotten what it means to be an Oklahoma Sooner…..
You sound like Castor…
Again, you were vague in your description. Stop blasting others for your ambiguity.
All you have to is watch the game man.
lol….
please stop…..
Auburn.
Auburn runs the air raid offense? Lol!
To be fair, you did say “air-raid/spread”.
And you actually think the Auburn offense is what Mike Leach runs? Tell me you’re not serious.
Dude. You did not specify. You stated “spread”. Spread encompasses everything from Leach/Mummy Air Raid to the Malzahn spread and everything in between. Get off your high horse and re-phrase your original statement. It was answered. And yes, that was a long time ago. Stop being so proud and just admit you should have phrased your original statement differently.
And NEVER did anyone on here say Auburn ran the Leach system.
I said “Air Raid”. How on earth could I make it any more clear?
You said Air Raid/spread. Last time I checked the symbol “/” signifies “or”. So, yes, you could have been MUCH more clear. Stop blasting others for your misunderstanding of punctuation.
1) I never “blasted” anyone and 2) clarification could have been asked for.
To try and prevent the argument from going any further, I think you’re both right. He was ambiguous in his original comment, but at the same time I think he makes a point. When was the last time the type of offense that Stoops appears to be alluding to won a championship, CFB or NFL? Its been a decade or so unless I am mistaken.
The Patriots have been successful with 3-4 wides and running the ball.
@dhuntersanchez:disqus
Yes and they have a future first-ballot HOFer running it………
So, what is your offensive solution. You seem to know a lot about X’s & O’s.
When I said “a decade or so” I was actually thinking about the Patriots, and the last time they won a Super Bowl was 2005, and they had a much better defense then.
I think we all want the same thing OU in the playoffs with a chance to win a title. Need to be 11-1 12-0. This offense with running and passing enable us to get to the playoffs. Then it’s anyones game from there. OSU was not favored and they won.
I hope you’re right!
I was more inferring the spread aspect. And if they would nt have won Oregons spread would have won that year.
I’m referring to the version originally created by Hal Mumme and Mike Leach. Not the ones that use mobile QBs and zone-read/triple-option concepts.
Oklahoma. Year 2000.
Exactly. And that was 15 years ago.
ummmm…. still that was the offense that was part of an undefeated season and got us to the championship game.
That would be the defense and our special teams. Heupel was injured for the last few games of the year and the defense picked up the slack. The offense was simply along for the ride at the end..
Maybe so…. you asked…. I answered.
But we beat the crap out of Texas with it.
It wins games, puts fans in the seats and is a topic for interesting discussions. It does not win championships however.
I tatally agree we can’t pass the ball 80% of the time and hope to have extended success but a couple of points.
First as you noted I guess we can agree that you have to get to the Championship game to be able to win a Championship game. OU was definately winning more games and at least in the running when we were using this style of offense.
Second as this excerp about spread offenses shows they are all the same offense based on play calling some spreads run the air raid, some the spread option and some the pistol but they are all from the same family and a ton of great coaching mind are using this philosophy
While early versions of the spread were sometimes quite limited, modern coaches like Joe Tiller (Purdue), Jerry Moore (Appalachian State), Mike Leach (Washington State), and Mark Helfrich (Oregon) and most recently Urban Meyer (Ohio State) have taken this run and shoot variant to a new level. High school coaches across the nation have adapted some version of this scheme with great success, notably Todd Dodge at Southlake Carroll High School in the Dallas-Fort Worth area (now at Marble Falls High School in Marble Falls, TX), Art Briles at Stephenville High School in Central Texas and the Houston Cougars (now at Baylor), Gus Malzahn at Springdale High School in Arkansas (later the offensive coordinator for the Arkansas Razorbacks and Auburn Tigers. He is now the head coach of Auburn Tigers[6] ).
Hopefully Mr Riley can find a nice balance in using these different variations and we will return to at least having our shot because for the last few years we did not!
Hold on a second @doobie74ou:disqus
If I need a specific type of player to run my offense but you need another type to run your’s, how can they be the same?
For instance, while we can agree that Switzer and Osbourne ran the triple-option differently, I can still swap-out the two QBs and keep winning games. Tommy Frazier and Jamelle Holieway are similar enough to one another to take over the reigns of the other’s offense and there not be much of a drop-off in production.
But there’s no way you can take Josh Heupel or Landry Jones and effectively run either the Auburn or Oregon offenses
Just won’t work.
I agree with you on all your points! What I was saying is this offense can be tailored to fit personal! From the spread look we can be run heavy (spread option, Pistol – Ohio State, Auburn) pass heavy(Air Raid – Leach) or have a closer to 50/50 split (Oregon, West Virginia) whatever the play caller/ recruiter wants to do or has available. I think with the current personal at OU we will be a little more run heavy than say the 2000 NC team. Oregon is a great example that you brought up. If we find a QB that can make timely reads, and deliver the ball to the right guy and on target that will be wonderful, but if he can run too it will be amazing.
Were I think Riley will help is in the predictability of the offense. So many times last year it was obvious what the play call was just be alignment and personal. Hopefully we find a way to have multiple plays out of all formations. If we show some of the “Air Raid”, some of the “Spread Option”, and even some of the “Pistol” formations the defense will have to prepare for a ton of stuff! Thus becoming much harder to defend! It should help our defense play against these teams as well if they can go against them in practice on a regular basis.
I’m a fan of yours, ND52, so I definitely don’t mean to come across as disrespectful. I have to say this. When I hear people complain about the “air raid” offense, it’s usually because they don’t like the situation that it “puts the defense in”. However, if you have a dominating defense, much like the 2000 defense, why should the style of offense matter? OU had a high flying, high scoring offense that year, and they had a defensive counterpart that was just as good, or better. This is why OU won the NC. They could score points AND stop offenses.
It sounds as though people are more worried about the instability of our defense than they are with scoring a ton of points. If that’s the case, that is not Lincoln Riley’s problem, that’s on Mike Stoops.
I’m not complaining about the Air Raid or any other offenses—-they all have their place and time. I’m simply stating facts.
OU’s offense was running on fumes at the end of the 2000 season.
Agreed. And you are definitely right that the D carried that team through the NC game. But the defense alone didn’t get the team there. I’ll take all the points, as long as they’re on OUr side of the scoreboard!
please…..
And now we even have a solid run game to incorporate with it. I am excited to see what Riley comes up with. I’m all for simplifying the pass game and all of that but to include a potent run game with it, sky is the limit. Guys, this system is qb friendly. It will make things easier for whoever the qb is, the wrs will love it and be more confident. I will let Riley do his thing before I start judging. Boomer!
One TD on a gift fumble by the boob wienke..Yeah we were exploiting them all day with great offensive playcalling…(sarcasm)
I hope everyone is aware we won that championship with players from the island of misfits.
Some were/some weren’t @samsooner:disqus
ND52, I can only think of a few of Stoop’s recruits who made an impact on that team: Antwoine Savage, Quintin Griffin, Mike Woods I believe is the correct name: he was the DB who fell asleep at the wheel.
http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~trj/Sooner94.html
OU’s Class (in alphabetical order):
Bradon Everage – Starter (potential All Big XII)
Quentin Griffin – Starter (potential All Big XII)
Jon Hawk – Juco
Josh Heupel – Starter (All American, Walter Camp player of year, Heisman runner up)
Brian Jimerson – Left team
David Jones – Reserve
Kory Klien – Starter (most underated D-lineman on team)
Torrance Marshall – Starter (All American)
Matt McCoy – Nickel Back/Reserve Safety
Jamar Mozee – Reserve (highest rated recruit in class, but among bottom in production)
Ramon Richardson – Part time starter
Antwone Savage – Stater (will finish as OU’s leading carreer receiver)
Jarvis Smith – Reserve
Derrick Strait – Starter (potential All Big XII or All American)
Rod Taylor – Left Team
Michael Thomson – Starter (likely to be starting safety next year)
Eric Thunander – Equilibrium problems ended career
Josh Tucker – Left Team
Brad Ware – Juco
Jason White – Probable starting QB next year
Trey Whitlock – Left Team
Final Count:
11 Starters
2 All Americans to date
5 Potential All Big XII players or All Americans
5 Left team
2 Juco
2 Reserves
Our QB damn near had a broken arm that day too. But keep it up, you’re on a roll.
To be fair @disqus_uxjaadBTHp:disqus, Heupel was hurt at that time.
This is said a lot to the point of being somewhat of a mantra. And I get that ‘air raid’ (however defined) tends to score quickly or stall quickly and thus is not characterized by long, clock controlling drives.
But what’s to stop the defense from forcing a three and out? Before you jump on me, yes, yes, I know. My point is that if the defense wants to have a long relaxing afternoon on the sideline, it’s as much in their power to make that happen as it is in the hands of the offense.
What is a pro style offense these days? Have you watched the Patriots/Eagles? They have 3-4 receivers and other quirky sets. Bama runs a pro style correct? fb, rb, two WR, and TE. But it failed as well. You have to be multiple. They’ll have a running game that can win a game by itself as well as 4 WR sets.
You said it best…….YOU HAVE TO BE MULTIPLE. Well said.
I think “pro-style” is typically based on a power rushing attack that sets up the passing game which can be multiple in scheme. Our problem was we were too predictable with our multiple personnel.
Wasn’t bama’s issue more related to four turnovers and not the necessarily their scheme? Against high level competition, you’re going to get beat if you turn the ball over.
I have high hopes for Riley, and it’s hard to imagine us being any more predictable, and less effective, then we were.
Anyone is better than Heupel. That guy could mess up a winning lottery ticket (Perine not getting at least 20 carries a game) and did so frequently.
I think Heup would have been much better if he were allowed to run the Mumme/Leach offense. That’s was his roots and what he knew – probably as well as Riley. HCBS is basically scrapping the offense they have been trying to build the last three seasons. The biggest hit on Bob’s tenure at OU will be not hiring the OC that knew that offense and promoting those from within that had no experience with that O. He might as well had kept Heup, let him run air raid, and lit a fire under his ass. That said, sometimes change is needed for the sake of change.
Heupel is much better off when someone else handles the coordinator duties.
I don’t think Heup understood how to set up the defense by running plays that set up the next play.
Agree –
You have to be able to pass the ball to keep the run game a threat over a course of a game. Sure against KU an ISU don’t need to pass. But against teams with equal or more talent, you need to gain other advantages. 4 WR and single back will open up the run game. BS wants to run the ball…
Loved the “There’s Only One” video. If only we had played like it. I’m glad too that we’re not in ESPN’s Too Early Top 25. We play better from the bottom.
Low expectations + a hungry and discontent fan base = the old Bob Stoops?
Here’s hoping for it anyways………….
Has anyone mentioned we got another commit yesterday. Antoine Stephens CB.
It was all over the open post yesterday.
Ok thanks. Guess I missed it.
https://twitter.com/TheFbBrainiacs/status/556879185843466243
Sporting a TFB T-shirt. Nice!
I wouldn’t have a problem with this offense as long as they pick and choose when to go tempo. You can’t kill your defense. I’d like them to use our mobile quarterbacks to the best of their ability though. A spread type of offense with a few read options in there would be nice to see.
Re: Air-Raid offense…putting up 400-600 yds of offense per game between the 20s is one thing. Scoring touchdowns inside the red zone is another. Chip Kelly looked like a genius at Philly for a season, then the rest of the league learned how to limit them inside the red zone. Oregon looked like world-beaters, until they ran into someone (tOSU) who had athletes that were bigger,stronger and faster than they were.
I’ll watch to see if LR has some ideas on how to score touchdowns without deception, but my expectations are going to stay tempered until he proves anything different. Hope I’m surprised.
Hard for anyone to score inside the 20, look at Green Bay.
No….any offense that relies on spreading you out and it does not have a strong principle of running the ball w/o spreading you out is going to have problems. Dallas did fine versus Seattle (twice) but you have to have a philosophy of attitude and responsibility to everything you do with that offense to be successful. Every Spread team that cannot run between the tackles consistently will consistently get stopped at the goal line.You only have to look at our team to know that. Also if you want to win a Nat’l title you usually have to stop people inside the 20. Anybody whose been a champion will tell you that..
It depends on execution not the freakin scheme. 08 OU v Florida inside the 5 how many times? Couldn’t score running with a FB and double TE scheme. With LJ at QB had trouble inside the 10. Went to BELLdozer for some success. Need EXECUTION.
Hunter this a waste of time because you just are not getting it…It is an attitude that you do these things daily that enables you to do things in big games. We did not execute because these guys played no one that could challenge them. Execution was part of it no doubt but it is so much more than that and U are starting to sound like Bob Stoops and that is a conversation ender……
You keep yapping nonsense and then telling people THEY don’t get it. Ironic.
You don’t seem to know what a spread is.
Cograts to David King. I loathe the rest of that team (except Derrick Coleman the Full Back).
That video was BA! Just wish they had been as successful as the video suggests.
HCBS noted that 6 of top 13 offenses use this air raid style offense – somebody in the room should have asked where those 6 teams ranked on Defense.
“Ugh”-This Sooner fan in response to the quote by Bob Stoops
Bob sounds desperate
Hopefully Riley’s smart enough to know not to change much with our run game. I’m fine with running an air raid style offense so far as the passing attack goes, provided it doesn’t come with tempo. Just make teams choose whether they’re going to have the guys outside to cover the quick pass, or the guys inside to stop Perine.
Yep. This is the idea. Riley has to check himself, something that JH didn’t do. Baylor threw the ball all over the place, and still could run it down everybody’s throat.
Hunter you just had a spread team that was defeated by Seattle again. Baylor has not played anyone with a pulse. Overrated this sad and disgraceful big 12 is. We should have went to the PAC….
Two spread teams Baylor & TCU using each others coaches score almost 120 points! That, if U are a proponent of it is big 12 football. National title football it will not be….
TCU had a good defense didn’t they? Besides you should not compare the athletes Bay/TCU recruit to OU’s. OU has better classes on D. Bama has shown that gone are the days when you will shut down good teams. OU got 42, Auburn 42 and 44, OSU 42…
Better Classes? Voted By whom? I don’t go by what rivals or scout say. I go by their play, their have been more bust at Oklahoma by these coaches than at a “Mardi Gras” party in Orleans….This offense is all flash and no substance…
Coaching is not the issue I was addressing. I think the experts on this site would agree with me about the recruiting being in OU’s advantage.
Paul Lott
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Bob sounds desperate
LOL, both teams in the national title game ran spread offenses…
First, the Packers ran the ball for over 100 yards. They run and pass something that OU will do. Second, we all know Seattle was not the best team that day. They had to run a trick play and get a fluke error on an onside kick to win. Finally, while Seattle ran the heck out of the ball, they won with a two deep “air-raid” passes.
Please no more Convo…you have your opinion and I have mine which has been proven by the games…..
And who do suggest getting as a OC, sunshine?
Whomever the leading OC was back in the day when the forward pass was still illegal, helmets were leather, and Red Grange was a star!
Lmao, that’s hilarious
Pac is to far and not any rivals, just like West Virginia here in the Big 12. We sould have went with Nebraska to the BIG10. But in my life time I see a shake up to 16 team with four Region conferences.
I think that would be pretty cool
The only conference that makes sense geographically is the SEC @docknoss:disqus
Conor McGregor hasnt fought anybody. All mouth.
Poirier was a top 10 Fighter and Siver has well over 20 fights under his belt. That’s nothing to sniff at. He also looked damn good beating them. His first real test has yet to come though, I’ll give you that. Aldo vs McGregor is going to be a fun one to watch.
Aldo is going to thrash conor. If you saw aldo vs mendes 2, both of them are MUCH faster than conor.
I honestly dont think mcgregor would beat mendes, let alone aldo.
Siver has ben around a long time but he hasnt beaten anybody worth a flip in years. Poirier is all hype too. Let conor fight somebody in top 5 before he gets a title fight. I predict aldo wins by tko.
You gotta start somewhere. That’ll be Aldo for McGregor.
Sorry, i just hate that loud mouth punk. What he did last night was disrespectful to the champ, his wife, and family. I get a little fired up. Im partial to my brazilians having trained BJJ for 5 years.
I get ya. McGregor intentionally rubs people the wrong way. He sold a lot of tickets though by going at Aldo, as disrespectful as it was.
As long as Riley remembers the key to offensive game plans and in game adjustments. OUr best offense is designed to take advantage of what the Defense is giving you. It should also at least attempt to work cohesively with the Defense. Protecting them from being over exposed to high powered offenses who can exploit their weakness. It’s so simple it’s apparently easy to forget.
Can we just chill out and give the guy a chance? Geez first we were trying to kill JH and now, before he has called a game/had a practice, everyone is writing this guy off. Bob is the main one that wants a run game so I’m sure that was made clear before the hire. Riley has 1,000 yard rushers pretty consistently. This team need everyone to buy in, including us. Besides, I remember most of you yelling to get Scott Frost or Sonny Cumbie, coaches of teams who also run spread…
A voice of reason.
+1,000
Chris I’m glad you still believe Stoops has it all figured out now..We should all bow down to “castle” stoops because he has never been arrogant, stuck in his ways, I can go on & on…
Then, who IS the right guy?
Crickets will be your answer.
Yes, provocative question, Boom…..
Toats, always love your sarcasm, you’re one of the best on here. You and Sooner Ray crack me up.
Ha! We try!
EDIT: At least I try…Sooner Ray’s is probably all natural ability. No trying needed.
Man, this thing took a U turn down the dead end road. Got an up and coming OC who can make things happen and some are not happy, don’t get it.
I get it, I guess. They seem to think that the reason we haven’t won a NC in the past few years is because of offense…nevermind the fact that we’ve ran off a DC, and want to run off another…
OSU vs. BAMA: tOSU
FSU vs. Oregon: Oregon
Teams w/the spread offenses beat the teams w/the pro-style offenses.
There is no perfect guy(Unless one was a Sooner and was like Harbaugh) but their is a perfect philosophy of how you play that has been proven over 100 yrs playing this great game. I have my philosophy of what it takes to get it done and you have yours…I guess we’ll have to debate this yearly while another spread team is defeated by one whose bread and butter is not. We beat florida st. because they were a spread team themselves…Go watch all their games…Weinke using 3-5 receiver sets, played into the hands of mike and they were w/o their top wr and lost chemistry because of Heisman duties etc. played a great part in them losing. The spread that we ran successfully in 2008 was predicated on making big plays but Florida took that away from us like any title winning team should. Again we just have a different philosophy of football….
Typical, you didn’t answer my question. Who is the person who runs your style of offense? We all know you don’t care for BS, so we are all waiting.
He didn’t answer your question. He’s downplayed our national championship, he’s downplayed our win against bama. Just another in the long list of pessimistic know it alls who doesn’t answer questions just deflects about us bowing down to Bob etc etc
I’m not sure…I’m no search committee being paid as a firm to go out and network to find our next coach. Pay me the money and I bet I could though. I have a philosophy of football that I have seen tried & true. I just hope our next coach is much different in philosophy than what we have now.
OK, I will play along. What is your offensive philosophy and where do you coach.
please don’t play along….please don’t…
Why, I would welcome basking in the light of your knowledge
lol..
Nope. You can’t do that. You just gotta let em bitch. You just have to let them act like they know it all. Makes them feel better about themselves
I get it. Questions are like kryptonite to them.
Ohio State, Oregon, Auburn are all spread teams. The evidence is showing you need to run spread if you want to get to the NCG.
Don’t remember saying any of that but I appreciate the criticism. I did however say that we wanted a different play caller and got it, so let’s shut up until the guy gives us a reason to be angry. At this point we’re all looking for unwarranted reasons to complain and hate him, probably taking left over Heupel hate out on him. unnecessary
True. Riley will run the ball. Riley’s uncertainty about the Oklahoma offense shows his willingness to change and adapt to the personnel at his disposal, a trait some of the best offensive coaches in the nation share.
“If you go back and look at our offense from 2010 to this year at East Carolina, it changed quite a bit there, too,” Riley said. “Based on personnel and what we could recruit and the people we were playing against, we had to adapt.”
During his time at ECU, the passing percentage (pass attempts per total plays) of Riley’s offense constantly changed.
“One of the beautiful things about this offense is it can become whatever we need it to be,” Riley said. ”We’ll go recruit certain players for certain positions and look for certain skill sets. At the same time, I don’t think you need a lot of specific things to make it work.”
Lol! I knew that any new OC would garner some quick criticism (they always do), but I never expected it would come this soon. We don’t really know what he is actually going to run, except in a general sense. I don’t think Stoops would hire an OC who would’ve want to utilize his assets and we definitely have very good assets at running-back and O-line. I too think it would be best to wait a while and see what is going to be shown in the spring. That will give us an early hint.
No, that would require some form of ability to reason.
The Stoops quote could be taken in a number of different ways. Moving to a mobile QB zone read type offense. Bob didn’t feel comfortable running, especially with Knight getting hurt as much as he has. Also not being able to throw the ball and score quickly like the success of the Landry years. But maybe he wants to alter that and slow the offense down with more running and slower tempo. So not to tire the defense, because If he does go back to exactly how it was before. It’s honestly the definition of insanity. Our defense will get blown out the game. Since little change is happening on the defensive side other than DB coach. Which could be an in house coach at that.
I love this site and it’s my daily source of information regarding OU sports. Having said that, maybe it’s just me but the comment section is so full of negativity and bickering that it’s really hard to stomach.
Suns up, belly’s full, money in the bank, and OU fields competitive teams in all sports. Life is pretty damn good!!
Okay, now to our regular program “The Sky is Falling”
Why do you feel the need to be positive? It’s much easier to be negative, be miserable, and decide that life stinks. You are wasting so much effort!
Thanks for that. Nothing wrong with criticism. But IMHO some of the negative comments reveal a negative attitude toward Coach. It seems personal and devoid of football substance.
“Coach” is a public employee and I’m a taxpayer—–he works for me.
The athletics department is a entirely self-funded branch of a public institution, so there are zero of your tax dollars being spent on Coach…
@captfoss:disqus
1) Stoops is a public employee and works for me and 2) that money comes from somewhere and that is us, the fanbase.
(1) Stoops is a football coach, not your State Representative. He’s not a civil servant. He neither works for, nor answers to, you.
You have no say in who the coach is, who the AD is, who the President is, who teaches intro to psychology, or who plants flowers around campus, because public institutions don’t work the way you seem to think they do.
(2) The vast majority of the money from the athletics department comes from TV broadcast rights, which comes from advertisers, so you can’t actually say for certain that a single dollar from your wallet made it into his.
(3) I’m done now.
Right, because ticket and merchandise revenue doesn’t go into his salary. Lol!
He doesn’t work for you or answer to you!! Get it! You’re not his boss!!
Thank you OU SID employee 😀 @BoomerDave:disqus
Reminds me of a gal I used to know…
Get a bigger Mizuno bat and she’ll smile.
Ha!
You are correct, sir.
Hey. Sorry for my part in the bickering. Some people rub me the wrong way with their better than you, better than anyone attitude or putting someone down or every single solitary post is negative etc etc. This internet get to say whatever you want without reprimand may be great on other sites but I’m one who doesn’t want this crap here. If it ruins a pessimists time here then great. But if it ruins yours or other people who enjoy life time here then that’s not what I’m going for. I’m not really one to bite his tongue but hopefully I can make my stand a little less often or something
U iz dum.
Wow. Thanks for the constructive criticism. Awesome. I’m so glad you’re here to help in this discussion
Go back in time. Assume that I’m both somewhat intelligent and highly sarcastic, and then read my comment again for the first time.
🙂
And then read mine again
It still lacks a smiley face at the end, so it still sounds mean.
:-()
Can’t tell if Homer Simpson, or dude eating football…
Haha. Think more a whole wheel of cheese
So you’re not even mad, you’re impressed because that’s amazing?
Exactly
@captfoss:disqus You can disagree without being disagreeable…………………ya know?
“I love Nick… I just don’t like YOU”
Keep talking smack from behind the safety of your keyboard little man.
First, I wasn’t talking smack, I was making a joke quoting Russell Westbrook…
And second, I can assure you that I’d say anything I’ve ever posted online directly to your face… So you can take the tough guy attitude down the road, bro.
Don’t be scared man. It’ll be alright.
I’m more worried about Tim Kish still having a job than I ever will be of your trolling…
Are you guys arguing about the fact that you aren’t arguing?
http://s.quickmeme.com/img/4b/4bb886044b4934b38440330c6b7b204e51d82090423d9598b162b61efa795d5a.jpg
i don’t really know what happened but i got a kick out of it
I enjoy aggressive discourse and vigorous debate @disqus_OAGDG6QoUm:disqus
Also, it’s hard to put the written word into context hence the reason I hate texting.
I have been feeling this way for while now. Didn’t have this problem a year ago, but as this site has grown, so has the amount of negativity. I understand contructive criticism and being upset, but the “this is never going to work” and “Stoops will never win anything” stuff is ridiculous.
I am an avid reader and visitor to most of the forums (TFB being my favorite), and i rarely post for this reason. Just so much petty posturing and one upping. It reminds me of my prelude of a divorce. You don’t have to ever agree with any or everything someone has an opinion about, but to pretty much allude to it as nothing, well, pretty much will get you a defensive answer, and leads to disrespect. BOOMER
It doesn’t matter to me how it gets done in football whether run, pass, etc, “Just win baby !” Do what it takes within the rules. Be in the hunt for that CFP every year. This is OU football I know. Get there and yOU’ve got a shot !
Anybody that thinks OU is going to start running what Leach installed in 1999 is a fool. Sorry, but that is the truth.
I’d almost bet that what Bob wants is to get back to those ideas, and some of those schemes, but also be able to run the ball like we’ve done a TON of times in seasons since 2000. I really don’t get why some of you are flipping out over this. Zero chance we run a true Hal Mumme/Mike Leach offense. Heck, even Mike Leach doesn’t run the 1999 Mike Leach offense any longer.
Yeah, we had two RBs with over 1000 yards rushing in 2008, plus a record setting QB with almost 5,000 yards passing.
Bite your tongue, Mr. Hoffpauir! Don’t you remember? We lost the NC game that year!! Nevermind the mistakes and injuries…it was the offense!
Again What did that offense do versus florida in 2008? Please enlighten us O’ spread admirer….
@disqus_uxjaadBTHp:disqus
That was a quantum leap in competition from what we’d faced during the season but your point is taken. I think that game was more a coaching issue on the offensive side of the ball. We should’ve been operating at warp speed.
OU made mistakes in the red zone. It was not the scheme. First and goal pass to JG nullified by DR holding…Bradford int at the 2, three POWER RUNNING plays to the left bad execution stuffed.
You & Stoops the excuse makers….
Sounds to me like your not happy unless your either whinning or argueing. Sorry Bloodred, selective memory will get you nowhere.
oh man. you hit the nail on the head
Playing without our second best offensive player (Murray)?
Are you really trying to argue that the offense we ran that year is incapable of beating a good defensive team? That is insane. That offense was balanced, and was capable of running the ball when we needed to. I wouldn’t call it a pro style, but it was no more “air raid” than what Oregon, Ohio State, or Auburn run today.
Exactly. Thank you. Case closed.
They lost to that other team who ran the spread.
Against Florida and the zebras.
Not related, but the talent on both those teams was ridiculous with 3/4 pro-bowlers in that game. Murray would have been every sense a game changer. That hit on Malcolm Kelley seemed to have completely taken out our passing game
Agreed. The hit was on Manuel Johnson. Iglesias dropped a deep pass that turned into an interception. Just too many mistakes.
Correct. Manny Johnson. That call should have been a PI call.
It should have been!
And we lost.
Bob’s quote may be worrisome to some, but everything about listening to Riley gets me pumped. I’m definitely optimistic about this guy.
From his presser. Riley is smart enough to integrate the best players OU has, RBs, into his concepts. With Bedenbaughs spread experience, they are going to innovate. Key is QB and WR development.
On whether his offense will look more like Leach or Holgerson:
“Probably closer, currently,
to Dana (Holgorsen). If you were to compare it to Dana’s or to Mike’s
(Leach), it’s a little close to Dana’s. But if you go back and look at
our offense from 2010 to this year at East Carolina, it changed quite a
bit there too. Based on personnel and what we could recruit, and what we were playing against, we had to adapt, and again,
if I had to tell you what it’s going to look like here, I don’t know
yet. I don’t have a clue. We have an idea of what we want to do and the
base concepts, but we’re going to use this personnel and our best people are going to touch the ball,
And therein lies the real hope: “…We have an idea of what we want to do and the base concepts…”
I like that a LOT. You can have whatever offensive ‘scheme’ you want and every single one can get beat if you hold to them dogmatically.
In virtually every field of endeavor, the real masters are those who understand and can execute the basic concepts but rise above mere rote application in order to respond to particular circumstances.
If Riley has gotten to that level at a comparatively young age, then he is a rare talent and we’re in for a great ride. And we likely won’t be able to begin to judge on this point until a few games into next season. So I, for one, will attempt to relax and think about something else for the next few months.
And end of season Brazilian Women’s Beach Volleyball sounds like a worthy time killer. In?
I think it was the most telling bit of the presser. “closer to Holgorsen CURRENTLY” He had to ADAPT “based on personnel, who he could recruit”. The man has learned early to adapt and adjust, something JH seemed to have trouble doing. If he can do that during games as well, this could be good. He’s a young guy looking to make his mark so will sacrifice to make this work. He’s on a huge stage.
I think Riley is the right man for the job, watched the news conference and was impressed with Riley. He has what everyone is looking for in an OC, youth, hunger and intelligence. I trust Bob to put together a set of offensive coaches and players that will be able to move the ball and when needed control the tempo of the game.
If Mike and Monty can put together a better defensive scheme we should be OK. I think the talent level at OU is down in a few positions but I think that is being took care of in this and the next recruiting classes.
I am not an optimist or a pessimist, probably somewhere in the middle. This can be fixed with hard work from the coaches and the players. I expect improvement this year, but that does not mean we have to win the NC to have a sucessful season. But that should be the goal we are working for every year at Oklahoma.
BOOMER SOONER
We’ve been there and done that. But it has not beaten the teams you need to beat to be champions…I have seen this style of offense stymied too much to not question it. Stoops is ultimately accountable if we do not win titles. But I guess as long as he can beat a baylor U would be satisfied with that….
I have not seen Rileys Oklahoma offense. I guess you already know what it will be, but I will give him a chance before I start tearing him down.
I like Riley let me state this. I like the guy. From his presser I like the Man. But I’ll bring up the cowboys. Linehan is a spread you out guy himself that was told by Jerry Jones and the other coaches and he saw that himself who he had as players we just need you to call good plays be consistent with what your doing and if we have good OL run murray, and we have TE, get him atleast 5 touches a game and If we have WR’s get them in spots for big plays and if they are taking away big plays, make sure you at the very least get 2nd & 3rd and manageable. Why can’t we do that here at OKLAHOMA. What is so difficult like the poster was saying earlier about running an offense that has proven to win titles???
Spurrier Ran this Offense or some version of it in the NFL and almost got his QB made into an invalid. Those asking why Stoops is not in the pros? I could give you the short answer but you just be saying I have something personal against coach or something else….Sad Bradford can only play Qb in the league (adequately) if he is in the shotgun….Put any of our QB’s beside Jamelle behind the center they look like a fish outta water…
Actually, Bradford still holds NFL record for efficiency as a rookie. Need to straighten your facts.
You need to watch the games…I did, throwing the ball for 2-5 yard gains is alot easier to complete passes. Make excuses all u want. Watch the games and we’ll see whose facts line up….
What does the NFL have to do with the college game and OU? If OU were lining up against NFL players every week, I might agree with you a bit. But we aren’t. If you don’t think some version of a spread offense can be successful in the college game, you are simply too biased to see otherwise. We didn’t lose in 2004 and 2008 b/c we ran an offense better teams could stop. Those were two pretty good teams, playing in their home states, and OU had major injuries in each game. White was injured in 2004, and no Murray in 2008. No shame in losing hard fought games like that. We were in both games until the end, and could have won both.
Bradford’s OC is a big part of the problem. He is an accurate QB, and does well with play action and timing routes (the latter of which was rarely called). That’s asides from the lack of talent offensively that he dealt with for most of the time. Before he tore his ACL the first time, he was well on his way to a great year, which his numbers showed.
You are aware they ran a west coast offense predicated on 2-5 ypc didn’t you? He had that Coordinator for one year and he made Bradford get behind center. Bradford stated himself he was not comfortable and he really still isn’t. Trust me high school recruits are being explained this in recruiting circles….It is going to hurt us with Qb’s who don’t come from spread offenses from high school.
Who was he WR’s the first 3 years?
Blood- you do realize that 70% of snaps taken by NFL QB’s are from the gun?
Rogers, Brady and Manning have perfected it as of late. It actually really began to be dominant back with Warner and the Rams (Greatest Show on Turf) and Favre with Green Bay. Even Roger Staubach, Marino, and Elway used it.
As a result, plays, points, yards, even rushing yards are all up as a result of the shotgun faster tempo offenses.
If you have ever played QB, you would understand the advantages including but not limited to: quicker reads (reading while dropping is VERY difficult), quicker transition to throwing position, slows the rush, etc.
Why wouldn’t you run out of the shotgun? You can still play action out of the shotgun!
U forget to mention what those QB have is talent, football IQ and there coached at one time or another by Great coaches like Dungy, Belichek, who understand every aspect of the game & their teams are coached very well. You have to be able to recruit special players at the QB position to have any chance in the spread and you better make sure you have a great defense who can keep a team under 21 points in a title game or you better have a 6-4, 250 pound qb who can take off and get 5 yards at will we he needs to. I can live with a Spread that is ran when a qb is superior athletically and can throw the ball but even still guys like vince young needed a 4th down stand, made plays on 3rd down. Can this guy recruit such a player to Norman? Or is just being “better than most” going to appease you all? We had Cam Newton if we wanted him but Stoops is a Spurrier “throw it around the ball park disciple who is going back to the only thing he believes he can be successful with. I wish him luck knowing he’s going to need more than that….
I disagree with you. Bradford has had terrible coaching and offensive help, especially on the line.
He had been about the only OU QB that was a true NFL talent to begin with. White had serious injury problems. Jones had backup written all over him. Thompson and Hybl had no shot.
You act as if Stoops is running the offense. He was a DC, not a OC. If he went to the pro’s, pretty sure his teams would be defensive minded.
Excuses….Fact is the pros like Qb’s who have credentials changing plays at the line of scrimmage, not looking to the sideline at the last minute hoping to catch someone not lined up right, or out of place. Also No one and I mean no one is asking Stoops about the pros…And when has Stoops had credentials coaching a defense successfully? Florida that was almost 20 years ago…Is he going to brink Mikey Stoops to coach his pro defense with him. The pros will make fun of him like they did spurrier. Stoops would embarrass himself and he knows it.
Our QB was under center quite a bit during the AD years @disqus_uxjaadBTHp:disqus
Looks like Rivals has removed Overton from OUr commit list. I didn’t realize it was at that point already?
I’ve not seen anything from him that confirms he’s no longer a commit.
This isn’t necessarily a done deal….yet.
Could be like the Wade or Phillips situation a few years back when they did not have all the academic qualifications in place but joined the team after the fall semester when they finally got that taken care of. I don’t know what type of player he is but his stature sure fits the NG position well.
Nate Dalton drops OU from his final six as he just released his top 4. Liberty is still there fighting but against Michigan,Kentucky and Arkansas, one has to say Liberty is a little outgunned. Got the impression OU wasnt going full court press on Dalton but regardless, time to reel in Patterson, Orr, Reid.
This sounds more like OU pulling out after Antoine Stephens committed. That’s 2 CBs this class. I think Patterson will not happen (grades?) so Orr or Reid. Even then I think DB recruiting is about done.
They wanted Dalton as a safety, so I don’t think Stephens had anything to do w/ this decision.
Gotcha. Edit the #s too, we have 3 CBs and 2 Safeties, so 1 more safety would make sense.
Perhaps they feel good where they stand with Reid? I sue hope so, as he is the only other safety we are trying to get, right? That headhunting Polomalu type guy is being offered as a LB, I think.
That could certainly be the case.
It was his ACT score that was holding things up (Patterson). If he had not fulfilled his college prep course work then I doubt an offer would have been made. He got the required ACT score and the offer from OU came immediately after.
I was under the impression that Patterson no longer had any academic issues.
I am a firm believer that pretty much any style offense can succeed provided that it is well executed. That said, at this level it is awfully hard to execute any complex offense well unless you have the personnel that fits that particular system. For this reason, I must agree with Jordon here and say that Stoops’s statement certainly is a concern, as both are QB and receiver personnel certainly do not fit an air raid scheme.
The Russell Westbrook offensive strategy…
Sooners fail to make the cut for Nate Dalton, which IMO is kind of surprising.
https://twitter.com/TheN8Dalton/status/557216266620895232
Surprised as well, thought we had a good shot at Dalton.
From what I’d heard from some Arkansas folk (who aren’t looney), it didn’t surprise me, especially after Stephens committed. My understanding is we were recruiting him as a S and he prefers CB. And obviously Michigan made a good late impression, because they convinced him to visit Ann Arbor while he was on his visit to Arkansas.
Lol! Hog fans are looney until proven otherwise!
Every fan base has its fair share of lunatics and some more than others, that’s for sure. I don’t parrot the loons, regardless of fan base. I try and only repeat what I hear from folks with a demonstrated amount of common sense.
Everytime I drive through that state I lock my car doors and think about the movie Deliverance!!
and when leaving, I put my shoes back on…
Sounds plausible. Had heard OU staff thnking he was a better fit at safety. Looks like it’s Patterson or bust for CBs. Might pick up Reid at safety, but doubtful.
Looks like we lampkin is also not coming he tweeted yesterday he was longhorn all the way and couldn’t wait to get there.
We’ll see. Have heard otherwise, even w/ that tweet being taken into context.
Almost feels like he thinks it will be funny to bail on UT at the last minute. And while I’m not certainly not a big fan of lying to coaches if you know you aren’t going to end up there, it is funny if he does it to UT. But that is what I feel like is going to happen…..he is going to wait until signing day, and pull the rug out from under UT.
Hope you’re right.
Josh at SS thinks OU moved in another direction… My guess if we take another DB, it’ll be Patterson.. Orr is not coming either.. ASU is his current leader with a few visits left..
Stoops is so worried about offense . I hope he doesn’t forget about the defense they couldn’t stop anybody at end of the season .
I get your point but I think the offense not getting first downs and points did them no favors. Both sides of the ball need big improvements.
Okay, here’s my thought on the “air-raid” offense. Who cares? We have a HOF QB in Joe Montana, who never threw the ball farther than 30 yards down field. What he had was Jerry Rice.
We can debate all day about whether the offensive philosophy is wrong or right. It doesn’t matter. Here’s why: all plays are designed to work. All defensive plays are designed to work. It all depends on execution, right? Not entirely.
There are weaknesses in perceived strengths and strengths in perceived weaknesses. Exhibit A: judo. You have to be imaginative and use your opponents strengths against them. This was my problem with Heuple. He lacked imagination. He did not take advantage of how defenses stopped his offense. Balance and counter balance. He wanted to be secretive. He wanted to catch people off guard as spring a big play.
That was not good: why not show your whole offense. If it’s vast enough, there’s no way a team can be prepared for all you are capable of doing in a week. If there’s too much to prepare for, there’s no way they are going to master any of it. You want your opponent thinking as much as possible: that is when you get in trouble.
My brother yelled at me once because during a pick up game of basketball, I held the ball too long. He said, “Move the ball and keep it moving. When you hold the ball too long, it gives the defense a chance to regroup. We want to keep them thinking about where we’re going to attack.” True story.
We can debate the merits of this offense. There’s more than one way to win. There are millions of business models out there. There are some good ones and there are some bad ones but they are not all bad. There are a lot of winning businesses and they all do it differently.
There is no one way to get it done. It’s like math: there are rules in math that you have to follow to get a problem right. There are ways to get a problem right even though you’ve made mistakes in the equation. It’s recognizing what you have to do next. My point is this: If you don’t, it’s wrong.
This brings me back to execution. Every defensive play and offensive play is designed to work: if someone stops your offensive play call, they are exposed to something else. Now, all we have to do is figure out what that is and execute perfectly to take advantage of what’s exposed. That’s called using your imagination and using your imagination will make people think about all of your possibilities. There’s no way you can plan for that in a week.
Exhibit B: in the Bedlam game: the direct snap to the running back when Thomas appeared to getting the call from the sideline. That’s been there all season. We did it once all season. Hell, we didn’t even do it again in that game. Why use it only once?
Exhibit C: the swing pass to the running back. We used the receivers to block. How many times did DBs crash/bite on that play? Why not release your receivers and have the running back throw the ball? Whoa! What do you think the DBs are going to do the next time? No more crashing that play, I bet: there are other things I have to think about. Thinking allows me to get blocked and either way the play is effective.
Exhibit D: TK’s pick 6 against KSU. Do you think for one minute that DB would have sold out if Heuple had shown that he will fake the pass to the flat and release the receiver up field.
It doesn’t matter what Stoops does. I don’t care because I can’t impact the outcome of any game. It’s not my choice. He’s made his decision. I can only root for the success of the team.
Why worry about what hasn’t happened yet? We haven’t seen the product that will be put out there.
It’s all about imagination: the difference could be Riley. Let’s give it a chance, folks
I’m sorry about the repost all but I wanted everyone to see this:
Okay, here’s my thought on the “air-raid” offense. Who cares? We have a HOF QB in Joe Montana, who never threw the ball farther than 30 yards down field. What he had was Jerry Rice.
We can debate all day about whether the offensive philosophy is wrong or right. It doesn’t matter. Here’s why: all plays are designed to work. All defensive plays are designed to work. It all depends on execution, right? Not entirely.
There are weaknesses in perceived strengths and strengths in perceived weaknesses. Exhibit A: judo. You have to be imaginative and use your opponents strengths against them. This was my problem with Heuple. He lacked imagination. He did not take advantage of how defenses stopped his offense. Balance and counter balance. He wanted to be secretive. He wanted to catch people off guard as spring a big play.
That was not good: why not show your whole offense. If it’s vast enough, there’s no way a team can be prepared for all you are capable of doing in a week. If there’s too much to prepare for, there’s no way they are going to master any of it. You want your opponent thinking as much as possible: that is when you get in trouble.
My brother yelled at me once because during a pick up game of basketball, I held the ball too long. He said, “Move the ball and keep it moving. When you hold the ball too long, it gives the defense a chance to regroup. We want to keep them thinking about where we’re going to attack.” True story.
We can debate the merits of this offense. There’s more than one way to win. There are millions of business models out there. There are some good ones and there are some bad ones but they are not all bad. There are a lot of winning businesses and they all do it differently.
There is no one way to get it done. It’s like math: there are rules in math that you have to follow to get a problem right. There are ways to get a problem right even though you’ve made mistakes in the equation. It’s recognizing what you have to do next. My point is this: If you don’t, it’s wrong.
This brings me back to execution. Every defensive play and offensive play is designed to work: if someone stops your offensive play call, they are exposed to something else. Now, all we have to do is figure out what that is and execute perfectly to take advantage of what’s exposed. That’s called using your imagination and using your imagination will make people think about all of your possibilities. There’s no way you can plan for that in a week.
Exhibit B: in the Bedlam game: the direct snap to the running back when Thomas appeared to getting the call from the sideline. That’s been there all season. We did it once all season. Hell, we didn’t even do it again in that game. Why use it only once?
Exhibit C: the swing pass to the running back. We used the receivers to block. How many times did DBs crash/bite on that play? Why not release your receivers and have the running back throw the ball? Whoa! What do you think the DBs are going to do the next time? No more crashing that play, I bet: there are other things I have to think about. Thinking allows me to get blocked and either way the play is effective.
Exhibit D: TK’s pick 6 against KSU. Do you think for one minute that DB would have sold out if Heuple had shown that he will fake the pass to the flat and release the receiver up field.
It doesn’t matter what Stoops does. I don’t care because I can’t impact the outcome of any game. It’s not my choice. He’s made his decision. I can only root for the success of the team.
Why worry about what hasn’t happened yet? We haven’t seen the product that will be put out there.
It’s all about imagination: the difference could be Riley. Let’s give it a chance, folks
Montana’s offense wasn’t anywhere near what the Mike Leach/Air Raid is.
Total apples vs. oranges comparison.
The game has changed since Montana’s day, but the principle Sam puts out there is still valid today. Yes, both O and D have become much more elegant, but you still have to try to stay a step ahead of the defense.
Well obviously but the Bill Walsh offense is still in use today and relies heavily on FBs and TE’s.—-way different than what the Air Raid is.
It’s apples to apples because my points are not about the air-raid offense. It’s about imagination and making someone defend the entire field.
TFB, any update on Josh Smith visiting?
Seems pretty solid to Vanderbilt, but he’s still scheduled to visit the 30th
Who invited all their gal pals over for stitch and bitch?
Seriously. Who wields the ban hammer around here? Take these garbage posts somewhere else please and thank you.
You’re talking about the banned castorboy who got himself a new name. His game hasn’t changed one bit.
Either that or there are a lot of sandy quims in Houston.
LOL
There are a lot of sandy quims in Texas. Period.
My heart sank when I heard that quote too. Moving forward in reverse isn’t a strategy to rebuild a program.
Neither is a heavy running attack in the Big 12 just ask Texas.
So let me get this straight. We only believe Stoops when he says something we don’t like? Cool thanks.
https://twitter.com/LincolnRiley/status/557224462501023745
And coach Kish? Ugh……..
Apparently headed to Nashville to visit Smith the LB & Jefferson the WR..
Is it asking too much to incorporate a TE into the passing game??
Trent Smith did in the “00 offense.
Right? There was a guy named Gresham? He was pretty productive. It makes a defense get out of their comfort zone.
With the WR corps somewhat iffy in the hands and route department and Rip gone I can see Andrews and the JC TE being a part of this attack, Riley just comes across as smart enough to know he has to use what he has on hand and not try to pound square pegs through round holes.
I think the Mike Leach offense is not going to be replicated in the OU game. Things never get duplicated like that when it goes through the teacher (Mumme) to student (Leach) to student (Riley). I for one do not see what the freaking out is about either, I remember a very good Q. Griffith and Adrian Peterson in some form of this system. I also remember the run game still being a part of the offense. Didn’t TE Trent Smith excel in that system (possibly the role of one Mark Andrews)? I really don’t see Knight fitting this system well and don’t know enough about Hansen as a passer to figure where he lies in this mix..Mayfield and Thomas look like they have the arm for this attack, in fact, Thomas reminds be somewhat of a pre-injury Jason White in regards to athleticism. We saw what a run-reliant offense couldn’t do this season. TexaSS tried to be the power run team the last three years and they go squashed. I for one am excited to see what Riley does with this offense, how players develop and what Ford, Perine and the other RBs do when the box isn’t loaded with 10 players.
The defense still needs to get its act together.
Fully agree. I loved watching the running game this year but, all I could think of is that we were running a pre-A&M SEC offense in the Big 12. I also never understood why we got away from what brought us success in the past.
I also agree that no matter how many points we put up it will never be enough if the D does not get some serious work done to it.
I think when the Big 12 defenses got smaller to try to stop the spread, BS thought (preceded by Brown) a tougher road-grader type offense could just push their way down the field. Not sure why that didn’t work other than the passing game couldn’t deliver when the O got behind the chains or got into 3 and 8 situations.
No suggesting anyone has done otherwise, but let’s just keep in mind the type of forum/community we’re trying to maintain here.
Respect the opinions of others, even if they don’t agree w/ your own.
It’s castorboy again with some new skin.
Did I miss something?
The troll sheds his skin like a snake. Which is weird because we’re all so sure he’s of the bovine family.
Who is it?
Bloodred CastorboyTroy our favorite horn worshipping sandy quim from houston.
Got it. Thanks!
LOL well this troll has destroyed your basis for whatever it is..Now while I don’t know everything. I study, I humble myself to study it. And I make my claims which are supported by fact not fiction. Does not matter to me who posted it. Long is their is some strong logic behind it. We’ll see whose logic is more correct, shall we say next season after tcu game?
Matter of fact I’ll make it to Norman, will have a couple of beers or something harder and we’ll let the curse words fly….
Liquor is quicker.
Colfax I’m not a texas fan at all! I do appreciate ones accomplishments on the big stage though(Cam Newton) (Fsu QB) And Stoops I believe would stubbornly lose and say “so what” to the fans instead of doing something that changes the things he built up here. But I just question what he’s built here? I believe it could have been replicated with a different coach with a different philosophy. Look I’m from Oklahoma and I’m not from Iowa. Stoops thinks if he changes something, that say more about him. He will only change things cosmetically and he has to go 12 yrs. to do that. It is mans arrogance that has did him in but Now he’s involved the program I have had fist fights over. I cannot nor will I defend stoops. He cares nothing about the fans. Only those who worship and adhere to everything he says.
I’m not a huge fan of a ttu style passing attack. I would rather line up under center for most snaps. I think there are very few times you should have more than 3 wrs on the field. But that’s not the problem. I don’t understand the bitching and whining on an OU board when you’re not much of a fan. I’ve heard way more pro texas crap than anything positive for the crimson and cream.
Correct sir.
We need a “Don’t feed the trolls” sign at the top.
Let me give it a go.
Warning: Feeding the Trolls will cause them to grow stronger. Please ignore them to the best of your ability.
I’m not sure I have your tolerance for bs. I don’t mean coach.
I agree with @disqus_g0eIV6kYZ9:disqus ignoring them is the best way to deal with it. They feed on the argument / conflict. Misery loves company and dies alone. A few days ago someone told me to “GFY”. No response from me. I don’t argue with unreasonable / irrational people in real life, so I’m not going ot do it here either.
Agreed. If you wanna get your opinions crapped on and then called all kinds of names for it, spend your time over at Landthieves. You’ll see some of the most ignorant, childish posts and then even more ignorant immature responses. Not everyone there is bad, but the ones that are make it hard to sort through to find the real posts.
I don’t mind differing opinions but there’s one that likes to make redundant posts just to argue.
We have a lot of Internet bad asses around here hiding behind anonymous identities. I can’t imagine they navigate the real world with the same lack of respect for people that may have differing view points.
Tyler Tettleton and Justin Miller were hired as GA’s by OU. Tettleton was a QB at Ohio U, but where is Justin Miller from? Was he a DB somewhere? Does anyone with TFB know anything about him? Thanks.
Clemson DB and return man, I believe.
Found a former Clemson CB with that name. 31 years old, some minor NFL experience. Can’t swear it’s the same person.
After watching the 2014 Football clip above I think Sanchez ought to be OU’s punt returner. Of course, that depends on how much depth OU has at CB, but that kid runs well in space and takes very good angles (judged by the INT return against Texass and his return against KSU in 2013).
Fine, as long as we have someone do it!
Comments:
1. BS is inconsistent. He was against the Leach offense before he was for it
2. BS will win a lot of games ( 10/3; 11/2 ) but no NC ( 14/0; 13/1 )
3. MS will never leave OU unless BS leaves ( job security )
4. Riley will be successful unless BS interferes with his constantly changing philosophy.
5. DB coach is critical hire to teach MS how to defend the QB option spread offense.
6. BS is a CEO that will depend upon Riley , and a few assistant coaches for his success.
1. ???
How is that? He hired Leach.
Leach was his third choice and started modifying his offense after he left OU.
Riley/leach is now his first choice.
Who was his first to choices?
Turner Gill was first choice.
BS wanted a balanced offense.
He considered the Kentucky offense a gimmick but difficult to defend.
Turner Gill? I never heard his name mentioned in the coaching search.
Leach was Bob’s first choice as OC.
Leach didn’t even call the plays at Kentucky.
Was OC in name only.
Not a first choice selection.
Turner Gill was at Nebraska and they ran a run oriented balanced offense.
Everyone knows Leach didn’t call plays but Bob stated he knew that Mike was capable of running the offense and calling plays. Further stated that he wanted to run that offense because it gave him fits at Florida. Unless you can provide a source, it’s nothing more than rumor that you read on a chat board.
Turner Gill???? what????!!!!
And the only time I can remember Bob interfering with the O (before this year) was when we got AD. Uh why wouldn’t you change your O for a transcending player like that?
JH wanted to run the Leach offense and BS wouldn’t let him.
BS fires JH and hires Riley to run the Leach offense.
Now, how do you know that, that JH wanted to run the Leach offense and BS wouldn’t let him?
So we didn’t run a spread throwing attack for the last 3 years that Landry Jones was here? C’mon, the only reason Bob pushed for us to go to a read option O was JH’s play calling struggles.
1. Source? or made up?
2. Hes already won a NC
3. MS has already left OU and came back
4. I agree, Riley will be successful
5. The more good coaches the better’
6. Most successful HC rely on the OCs, DCs to HELP them be successful.
1. Fact
2. Past
3. Past
4. We agree to agree
5.agree
6. CEO vs Coach with a system or scheme that he is able to implement.
1. Says you, but offer no proof.
2. You said wouldnt win a NC. Past or not he has.
3. You said will NEVER leave OU when he has and may again
4, 5 Agree
6. He can implement anything he wants, and has. Nothing wrong with liking a certain O and hiring somebody to run it.
6. BS can’t implement his own system. He decides which system to copy ( back to Leach ) and hires Riley to do it for him.
wow. castor. how many accounts do you have?
This definitely is not that guy. He has a stance that is unpopular, be he does it with dignity and respect. And I appreciate that, because most unpopular stances come with acidic-dung treatment of others, as you and I know all too well from being here often.
the thing that kills me is the blind hatred for stoops. sure me liking/respecting/etc a guy doesn’t necessarily mean everybody has to but when its just blind hatred and not being able to talk someone off the ledge, their argument holds no “waters”(haha you see that?) whatsoever. it takes all that persons credibility and throws it out the window. this guy has toned it down tho, i’ll give him that. there for awhile, you could literally set your watch to his hourly or half hourly negativity. he has no substance to his arguments and never offers any source or link to it. he’s been asked multiple times and can easily quiet naysayers but just continues to go from memory and its just memory and from the arguments he’s receiving sounds like not a very good one. there are very few here that i have a problem with and if you can tell its usually the ones with not a shred of anything positive to say….ever
Memory. Be specific.
BoomerSooner perhaps you too would like to have that hard drink before we get down business? I already told Colifax I plan on making my way down there. I don’t need to give U a link to nothing.You are a stoops backer no matter what is displayed in front of U. Anybody not a stoops apologist could go online and look up offenses, defenses, see what the problems are! The man waits this long before he gets a semblance of “getting it”. He’s paid 5mill’ not to have us in this situation and U are blindly sticking up for him? I could care less but If U his henchman U need to stop talking and handle your business… since you don’t like me calling out this coach. Celebrity boxing match for charity perhaps? I’m all ears….
It’s posts like this that warrant banning your ass. Take your threats and invitations to fight somewhere else it ain’t working here tough guy.
No threat at all johns…Me and Colifax talked about the same thing earlier. All I’m saying if someone has that much of a problem with me. You are welcome to ‘handle your buisness” If that means highfiving me, giving me a toast, giving me the finger, or taking it to that stupid level after drinks…Your welcome to try any how…
I think you’ve already taken it to that stupid level.
I’m almost afraid to ask…But tell how what I have said is stupid. You don’t have the passion or desire to win as much as I do. This is a fact. You name the sport Johns I’ll show you what a competitive sooner is supposed to look like….
^^^ This guy. LMFAO
How about I just ignore you from here on out?
So basically you are saying either I get behind any and everything Stoops has done, decided or is getting ready to do or there is no place for me at the Sooner table? OK gotcha……!
castor. when someone wants someone else’s job or thinks someone isn’t good enough, then that person is the one who needs to show links to their proof. i like bob. i want bob to stay. why would i need to show you proof that bob is worth it. if he retired today, he would be in the top 30 and probly higher of all time and is on our mt rushmore. you, sir, need a new hobby and might need to go find yourself a new outlook on life while you are at it
What so amazing is I’ve never asked you to prove anything to me. I have differences with many coaches who coached here. Capel, Kelvin Sampson, Gary Gibbs, John Blake, Snellie, does not matter how old or young. We were out coached and outplayed by KU in 1988 too but I don’t believe I had access to laptop then either.
haha. first off this was a questioning of waters. this was addressed to him. yes i did involve you in that by asking how many different accounts you had. with that said, i don’t feel the need to prove anything to you. i don’t wanna take something from someone else. i don’t think bob is bad at his job. people who have problems with people and wanna take their jobs…i wanna see what they mean, where they are coming from and if there is a link to what you think, provide it please. if not and its just your opinion then show me what you think with stuff to back it up and not just your memory because i don’t even trust my own memory let alone someone else’s
Whose wanting to take Bobs Job?? I want my Sooner to have that look and feel of an Oklahoma team. Saban, Meyer, Carroll that did not just speak to the past, they had specific plays from their offense and defense that let you know they respected the Old Ohio st. defense, the Old alabama defense or the Old usc offense. Go look on youtube and compare Bama teams to when they were winning titles. They had that look and feel of the old bama teams. Same with USC and Ohio St. And I promise you, that old michigan running attack will be front and center with Harbaugh. Stoops walks around that football program like he owns it. We were winning way before Bobby and I assure U if we get rid of the satisfied incompetents(Boren, Admin) running things down there we will be winning long after they are gone….
i wanna win too. i wanna win with bob. a lot of folk see him as cocky or whatever, but i think you need that little chip. i was blessed to be able to chase my dream and live my dream for 15 yrs. i know fickle. i’ve seen it up close and personal. so people like bob and myself always have to keep that distance to a certain degree or else….well go watch “the fan”
I see you there boomer. I’d like to see you try your hand at ‘peace-maker’ in the future. Some of these posters are best dealt with by your approach, but some need compassion, acceptance, and peace made between them and others who are quick to call in the mob.
i’m more a doc holiday than a wyatt earp. i’ll readily admit that. its just when people have nothing good to say ever, i don’t know if they’re OU fans or just trolliosis
Jimmy Johnson hired Norv Turner and told him to run the offense. Seemed to work out pretty well. That was after firing Mike Shula. I guess to you JJ was not a HC just a CEO.
#1 is patently false. BS won a NC at FL b/f coming to OU. He told people he had the most trouble defending against Leach/Mummy offenses and when he got a HC position, he knew he wanted someone to come in and run that O.
As far as #4 goes: EVERY coach had better change with the times. BS was the one to bring in the Leach O, then he let Wilson change it further, and I see what he was trying to do with the O lately (be either a power running or spread passing taking advantage of whomever the D has in at LB mainly), but it just hasn’t worked for some reason. IMO, it is b/c of lack of ingenuity in playcalling, but I’m a little hesitant to criticize coaches for playcalling b/c we just don’t have enough information to do so, regardless of what media and fans think. I would have liked to see more formations and motion for obvious reasons to anyone who has themselves called O plays.
I know from coaching and other arenas (government, business, church, police, etc.) that there are decisions made that make sense only to a select few on the inside who know and have good reasons for making the choices they made, but can’t say anything on why they had to decide what they decided for some obvious reasons to them. I’m slow to criticize people in authority (presidents on down) b/c I know how this works. I don’t jump on whatever media bandwagon is on at the time b/c of it. Usually, the media gets going on something b/c they want to know more, and the coaches CAN’T tell them certain things, and it’s a one-sided argument that coaches will lose since they can’t defend themselves. It can be far worse to say some things for many reasons.
I’ll be the first to say “I know nothing” regarding our coaching moves status but if Bob really feels like Kish is a good teacher for the LB’s and his primary weakness is recruiting, Kish being out on the recruiting trail in tandem with our other coaches that ARE great recruiters makes sense. Why write the guy off if he has one weakness? Try helping him get stronger in that area by observing and participating with the other guys that are good at it.
Kish staying seems to be contrary to Bob’s desire to change the culture/hire younger assistants and hire better recruiters so I’m not saying I think Kish is staying, I’m just saying that as an employer, you either try to hide an employees weakness or you take steps to help them strengthen those weaknesses. I could see Kish being on the recruiting trail with other coaches as trying to strengthen them.
Not sure why he was by himself while visiting McGinnis and Thomas earlier. That makes no sense to me if we wanted those guys or if Stoops understands that Kish hasn’t been able to recruit. You would think Stoops knows that and it’s been proven that we weren’t really interested in Thomas, so…
Contrary to popular belief on here, I do believe our LB’s played well last year and this year despite suspensions and injuries so I’ll give that to Kish. Our defense as a whole looked pretty bad but I think we all agree that primarily falls on the DB’s, not the LB’s.
At first I was on the fire Kish train, but he is a good coach, like you said his weakness is in recruiting help him get better or send him out with a Monty or Gundy.
Personally, I don’t think MS would have asked to bring Kish along, nor would BS have taken him, if they both didn’t think he was a good recruiter and had a good coaching mind. However, we have taken him out of his recruiting element by bringing him to Oklahoma. Maybe that hurt some in his recruiting. Plus, we didn’t play LBs one year. That must have been difficult in trying to reach out to them to come to OU. You get behind in recruiting a position and it can take a few years to build back up.
Why can’t we hire a coach and recruit too , other teams do ?????
Rufus Alexander was an AA LB @ OU, and played for 3 teams in the NFL. He has closely analyzed OU’s inside LBs and said that in passing plays they do not (evidently b/c a lack of ability) drop back far enough and they are weak at the point of attack against the run. He said it makes the safeties look bad b/c they have to come up for run and middle pass support, leaving them vulnerable. From listening to him talk in detail about the inside LBs, it appears he doesn’t think they can (don’t have the ability) to play the LB position well and it is THE major weakness on the defense, hurting every other aspect of the defensive play. Contrary to what many say here and elsewhere, he doesn’t think it’s the safety play as much as the LBs putting the safeties in a position to look bad.
……so, does that essentially mean that it’s quality of players and not scheme a/o coaching, in his opinion
Although we were quite good (statistically at least) against the run, our inside linebackers, whether due to lack of ability or coaching, consistently seem unable to shed blocks and thus make their tackles 6-7-8 yards down field.
I will admit that the Big 12 requires a special kind of linebacker to be successful. We need to figure out if we have those guys already (coaching/development), or if not, go find them (recruiting). Captain Obvious -out.
I think bob wants younger coaches who may have a fresher idea of the game and where it’s headed. However I think it’s tough to play defense and i don’t think it has much to do with “fresh” or “new” ideas. I think it has more to do with assignments and discipline so I could see him sticking with more experienced coaches on defense.
And I don’t think kish is a bad recruiter but for some reason he doesn’t close like Monty and other great recruiters. Also I think some forget that in 2013 he probably didn’t have a full cycle with those recruits then he improved in 2014 with Bolton and bond (Tay Evans was coming here no matter what) but some also don’t want to point out that he recruited kj young and mark Andrews
Also, I think people tend to forget that he went one year where Corey Nelson and LBs hardly were used at all. I always thought that must have hurt recruiting LBs. Imagine OU coming into your house after not even using LBs and you SAY you will next year.
I agree with partner him up, but they haven’t and won’t. The other thing that when you read on here or other sites very much is a very consistent message of players trying to contact Kish and he is regularly unavailable. Even if you pair him up with someone they can’t talk LB if they are not the LB coach. If an athlete calls, emails, or tweets Kish the buddy can’t answer those things. He has to take responsibility for it.
I agree our LB’s were not the worst part of our def. this year, but if you can’t recruit then you won’t have any LB’s to coach. So he has to figure out this out.
What player are the coaches seeing in Tennessee today?
Josh Smith or Van Jefferson likely both
So I was looking at the Oklahomans Top 30 players and was a little dissapointed in the lack of commitments to OU.
I know they are a “national” recruiter, but m pretty sure they could’ve done a little better in state.
I love getting Oklahoma kids to OU and to OState, too, for that matter. But when two of the top kids, Overton and Patterson, are struggling to get qualified, it’s another disappointment. The kids have to do more than just lift and run in order to prepare themselves for a college experience. Sounds like Patterson is ready and hope Overton gets it together so he’s in crimson and cream.
Welp. Not so fast my friends on Patterson.
Good to see Cody Brewer back on the mat. That is a huge boost. Anyone know why he’s been out since Bedlam?
I read that Brewer didn’t make weight for NC St. Don’t know about the other matches.
I’m really impressed with Blackwell, Tucker and Andrew Dixon too
Russell Westbrook doesn’t like Trammel and let him know during a Lynch style post game interview…lol
I’m with Russ
Can’t stand to listen Trammel and seeing his half-lidded stoner looking face. He is only usurped by Eschbach’s horrid Jersey accent asking Bob about injuries every press conference.
Link?
http://www.si.com/nba/2015/01/17/russell-westbrook-execution-interview-thunder-warriors
If recruiting updates were a cowbell…
https://twitter.com/BiG_OvErToN_97/status/557278088199806976
What was said?
…and?
“Haters ‘gon hate”
……his quote?……..clarify, please
No not his just a joke in reference to some commenting publicly on Twitter that the kid isn’t smart and stuff like that. He went back at one of them respectfully
that’s privvy info else he might have posted it too
…true, at least they’re still talking
I’m sure both want him at OU next year and they’re trying to fig how to get here
Very descriptive
ACT score problem is likely going to go past Nat Sn Day. Is OU going to hold a ‘ship and risk 24 new guys rather than 25? I haven’t a clue…not sure what player is at 26 on the list now.
This sounds like the fools at Landthieves!
…..sans humor
This quote above by the OU Alum speaks volumes. Hopefully Stoops hasnt forgotten what a running game can do for you, especially in the red zone.
Good defenses can stop the Leach style offenses. You have to run the football to win NCs.
Meyer and Ohio St. just proved this.