Open Post | Weekend, Oct. 24th – 26th (UPDATE Fri., 1:54 pm)

Image of Dede Westbrook via kwhi.com

Happy Friday y’all!

Linebacker Recruiting: Without any current linebacker commits and with Oklahoma running a 3-4 defense, linebacker recruiting is of interest to all of us so we’ll begin there.

Cameron Townsend: Last week Missouri City (TX) 2015 LB Cameron Townsend took an official visit to Oklahoma. He has announced that he will be making his decision this weekend (on Sunday). While he isn’t doing interviews until after the commitment, he did chat with us a bit and let us know that he is choosing between OU and Texas. He didn’t give any indication about which was he is leaning though everyone we’ve talked to seems to believe he’s on his way to Texas. Townsend told us that OU has told him he can play either outside or inside linebacker. Texas wants him specifically at the WILL.

Off the Board: A number of OU’s linebacker targets are off the board now (unless of course OU intends on trying to flip them down the road). Most recently, Bo Wallace and Cassius Peat committed to other schools. This past week, Khaylan Thomas also made his announcement as he committed to Arizona State.

Jordan Griffin: For those of you who remember seeing The Blind Tape Test feature we did with Brian Bosworth (HERE), you’ll recall one of our favorite inside LBs (and one of the Boz’s favorites as well), Jordan Griffin out of Armwood in Seffner Florida (Eric Striker’s Alma Mater). One of the Armwood coaches let us know that Griffin was visited by coach Kish in the spring and while he appears to continues to be on the OU board, an offer still hasn’t made. Griffin will be making his announcement this weekend. Wisconsin seems to be one of the favorites.

Semaj Thomas: Another LB that OU continues to recruit is TCU commit, Semaj Thomas. We caught up with Semaj last week and he said he has not set a date for a visit to OU. He told us that while he is considering a visit, he has to clear everything with his family and coaches. It’s clear in talking to him that he’s torn between the idea that he is currently committed to TCU, but at the same time is interested in seeing other regional schools like Oklahoma and Texas.

Anthony Wheeler: We caught up with OU 2015 LB offer Anthony Wheeler a couple weeks back (right after the OU/Texas game), and he told us that OU continues to lead in his recruitment. However, we’ve been told by our Texas recruiting guys that he’s also said OU and Texas are now currently even. So we’re not entirely sure where things stand, but it does seem clear that OU continues to be a major part of Wheeler’s recruitment.

Dwaine Thomas: We recently introduced y’all to 2015 LB Dwaine Thomas out of Louisiana. Thomas is currently committed to Louisiana-Lafayette, but it’s clear after one viewing of his film — and talking to folks in Louisiana — that Thomas could be a big time D-I player. When we posted our initial notes about Thomas, he hadn’t received any interest from the high major regional schools.

Since then, we’ve been told that Oklahoma has reached out to the coaching staff at Hahnville (school Thomas attends). Mainly to check on Thomas’ academic situation — because a kid with film that good and his offer list tends to lead one to question such things — and we were told that everything checked out (as we expected).

We’re also told that TCU is beginning to show interest. Thomas could be this year’s Charles Walker. On film he appears to be a better linebacker prospect that most every other kid OU is currently recruiting at the position.

Remaining Targets: The other LB names you all are familiar with are of course Keisean Lucier-South, Arthur McGinnis & Anthony McKee. We spoke to McGinnis earlier this week and he confirmed that he still intends to take his official visit to Norman for the Bedlam game. It’s been a while since we caught up with McKee and South. However, they were both very high on the Sooners after their visits for the Tennessee game.

Roy Sutton III (Fossil Ridge): An interesting 2015 LB prospect we came across recently is Roy Sutton III out of Keller, Texas. Alex King (our Northern Texas recruiting buddy) found Sutton and went by to see him in person. There’s a lot to like on film

After seeing him last night, Alex came away even more impressed saying, “Sutton has impressive speed and athleticism. Fought off a cut block and was off the ground immediately to bat the ball down but just missed it. Good length and rush moves. His inside outside move is devastating.” A little formal eval…he also texted K last night while at the game and said…”You’ve got to see the speed he’s showing off the edge chasing the QB. The kid can freakin’ run!”

That’s it for linebackers at the moment.

– Cody Ford: JY spoke to Ford’s father last night and he let us know that Cody will be attending the LSU game this weekend. However he told JY that, “he’s just visiting with friends to see a big game…nothing for OU to worry about. Just something to do for the weekend.” He also said that Cody will head up to Norman for his official visit the weekend of Bedlam. We certainly take Ford’s father at his word, JY has a great relationship with him. But if LSU did offer, we can’t help but think it would be something to worry about. That said, for right now it seems all is still well.

Dede Westbrook: Oklahoma recently made a new JUCO 2015 wide receiver offer. The Sooners offered Dede Westbrook from Blinn College late last week. We spoke to Westbrook this week and it’s clear he’s very excited about the OU offer. As we tweeted out yesterday, Westbrook told us that he will take his official visit to Norman in a couple weeks for the Baylor game. He also told us that his final three schools are Texas Tech, West Virginia and of course, Oklahoma. While he didn’t say OU was his leader, we get a sense they may very well be. Westbrook said he is a December grad and will announce his final decision sometime that same month.

– Kyler Murray: We spoke to Kyler Murray’s father (Kevin) earlier this week. As many of you know, Murray did indeed make a trip to OU last weekend. Unfortunately, Kyler’s father said they are not currently putting out any public statements about Kyler’s recruitment. While it seems a certainty that Kyler will end up in College Station, we did find that ‘no comment’ somewhat interesting. If everything was 100% go, why not just say that? But that’s purely speculation on our part, just to be clear. Either way, all we know right now for sure is that he’s committed to TAMU and the family isn’t willing to make any public statements about his recruitment at the moment.

Kobe Smith: Had a chance to speak with 2016 NG Kobe Smith (Lawrenceville, GA) yesterday. He’s a player we are very impressed with (VIDEO) and has the kind of size and athleticism to anchor a 30 front. Smith told us that Jerry Montgomery is in Georgia and will be attending his game this evening. Don’t be surprised if an offer happens. One thing is for sure, Montgomery is looking to do what he did at Michigan. Which is to find the best prospect he can early on and make sure he has every chance of landing him.

Cali Offers: Sounds like a couple of California offers were made yesterday. Our own Brandon “The Drake” reported that OU has offered 2016 WR Tyler Vaughns (VIDEO) from La Puente, California. Also OU offered 2016 WR Dylan Crawford (VIDEO) out of La Canada, California.

– UPDATE (Fri., 11:41 am): Per Rivals’ Adam Gorney, OU has offered 2015 DE/DT Jojo Wicker (Long Beach, CA).

– UPDATE (Fri., 1:54 pm): Jay Norvell is going crazy with California WR offers. Another one today to 2016 WR Dymond Lee, again per Adam Gorney of Rivals.

 

190 Comments

  • Jordan Esco says:

    Somewhat encouraging news re: Dwaine Thomas, but if I’m honest the rest of that didn’t make me feel all that much better about 2015 LB recruiting (surprise, surprise, I know).

    • Brian says:

      The fact that we’ve heard that Kish has told multiple LBs that he doesn’t know which LB position they’d play just tells me they don’t have a clear plan and we aren’t fully comfortable in the 3-4 yet.

      That’s very frustrating.

  • Jordan Esco says:

    And before anyone gets upset about the Cody Ford thing, this is just something you’re going to have to live w/ if OU continues to recruit Louisiana kids. It will always be an issue, just the reality of recruiting down there.

    • Blake Lee says:

      isn’t lsu in turmoil? Let’s say he gets an offer, is it still automatic that he commits being as miles may leave?

  • Zack says:

    The Murray piece is interesting. Maybe with Kenny hill playing well and knight struggling through part of this season maybe he thinks there’s other opportunities for him to be a 3 or 4 year starter outside of college station.
    About the linebackers, I’m sure Townsend will choose texas I still won’t say it’s time to panic because it’s not a guy I thought we lead for. If a guy like McKee, wheeler or mcguinnis end up choose somewhere besides ou, then it may be time to panic.

    • Super K says:

      Yeah, even though it seems impossible for OU to land Murray, I just couldn’t understand why the family wouldn’t just say, “we’re 100% TAMU”.

      • boomersooner says:

        Hope you’re well today. What’s your take on the juco wr offer? Some guys upset and wanna leave? We think some guys aren’t “getting it”? Bridge the gap to the young kids just in case? Just too good a talent to let go? Seems like we bad the one kid commit, I think, and we were supposedly done at wr. Now we’re trying to get a juco kid. I could be way off on the one commit and done thing but thought that’s what I’d heard

        • Zack says:

          You’re right about the one wide out. That’s what the numbers have indicated but it’s also been stated here and on other sites that they will take a 2nd wr if it’s the right guy (newsome) but then when lodge decommitted from the aggies, he was also the “right” guy. I’m confused too though but if guys aren’t developing I don’t see why we wouldn’t take more guys. And why are they still over looking dahu.

          • boomersooner says:

            Ok. That’s what I thought I heard. I’m starting to get a little long in the tooth tho. Hoping its just that they think he’s too good to pass up or help bridge the gap to these youngsters instead of anything negative

          • Zack says:

            Yeah I agree I think they’ve still got good young talent but they wasted a redshirt year for mead. If these guys just take a couple years to develop yet end up being big contributors as juniors and seniors then I’m good with it. But the numbers should open up at wr since they shifted one to TE and DGB may not hang around for next year. Then you’ve got guys like woods and young and cavil who probably won’t see the field the rest of this season.

          • Ronald Keith says:

            Maybe the stoops boys just don’t trust Oklahoma high school talent. Seems like there are 4-5 okie kids a year that would give anything for an OU offer, but our staff is always looking south or west.

      • EasTex says:

        True, considering Dad is still something of an Aggie QB legend.

      • Zack says:

        Who knows but it’s always good to keep your options open.

    • Steve Cooke says:

      Kenny “Trill” is playing well? Some of the Gaggies are calling for his head.

  • Zack says:

    Also the Tyler Vaughns kid looks pretty good on film.

  • Cory Reedy says:

    Do you guys know anything about the QB at Blinn JC? Jake Hubanek. He is from where I live, know his parents well. He walked on at OSU and Gundy never gave him a shot. He is tearing it up at Blinn and starting to get noticed by some big schools. GREAT kid! Here is a cool write-up on him: http://texas.scout.com/story/1471823-juco-qb-jake-hubenak-putting-up-absurb-stats#/story/1471823-juco-qb-jake-hubenak-putting-up-absurb-stats

  • Eddie and Amber says:

    Anyone know any news about Lodge. ESPN had us as the leader but I keep hearing he’s gonna commit to Baylor. With Baylor’s depth in young receivers, Coleman, Cannon, and Goodley, not sure why he’d leave atm and go to the same situation.

  • Brian says:

    Bester didn’t go to Blinn College – He went to the JUCO in MS where Danley is now…

  • AMKing00 says:

    Looking at the film again on Sutton after seeing him in person, I wish I had focused on him more last night against the run. Kid uses his long arms and hands really well to keep lineman at bay and also shows an important trait in his ability to shed blocks. Kid is a player and has plenty of room to add more weight while also having the speed to be a solid 6’2-230 plus at the next level and be a terror off the edge. His relentlessness, athleticism and ability to rush the passer (inside/out move, spin move and also showed a very quick first step on one play blowing by the OT before he was out of his stance) makes this kid one to watch moving forward.

  • Mark slavin says:

    What’s the story on the lb Joshua McMillan that visited last week?

  • Jay Bigboy says:

    This report made me feel OU is going to offer and eventually accept some projects or juco kids late January.

  • SavageSoonerEsq says:

    Sutton III: You probably shouldn’t pull a blocker and let him run free. What a talent.

  • Sam Philbeck says:

    Hopefully we can land either McKee or South. I remember you guys talking about how high they were on OU and their trip and South even posted a #TBT pic of his trip to OU yesterday, so one of those two would be fantastic

  • Boom says:

    LB Options – Inside Wheeler/Griffin/McGinnis.
    Outside – Whitfield / DwaineThomas / Townsend
    Optimistic thinking:
    Bob, call Jefferson’s Momma once a week
    Monty, Go see KLS and prove to him Grissom’s is a Senior
    Monty, Call DeBerry’s Dad and convince him that Kish is a great coach
    .

  • kt-raida says:

    Great wrote up we need a young go getter lb coach Likee Montgomery. I believe lush is a little older and isn’t really relating to the kids he’s recruiting. If OU had shown me anything is they will make moves at QB I hope Murray switches, I’M also very excited about Cody Thomas and would like to see McNamara get some PT.

  • Boom says:

    K, any news from the camps of Gallimore, Campbell, & the JC NG Reynolds?

    • Super K says:

      Had a brief exchange with Gallimore’s coach. He said that Neville had a good time on his FSU visit. He said he was going to catch up with Neville about it more later (which was earlier this week) but I haven’t reached back out to see what the deal is. I spoke to Campbell recently but more just shooting the breeze with him…not so much about recruiting. I can check with him. And last I heard Reynolds was still planning on coming out for Bedlam but haven’t reconfirmed.

  • Indy_sooner says:

    With the recent way we’ve dialed back on the wood, I am not holding out much hope on the LB front. Also,should we be worried that we are running to the JUCO front for receivers for ’16? Why can’t we develop more of the 16 receivers we already have? (Yes, I am aware of the recent success of our JUCOs/ transfers).

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Kind of Norvell’s m.o., IMO. Either JUCO or transfers. I feel like if you go back and look, he doesn’t have the greatest record of developing h.s. kids he lands.

      • Zack says:

        I’m starting to think he just hangs his hat on the “I coached Reggie Wayne and Marvin harrison” gimmick. Shep has become a special player though but to be honest I don’t know that coaching has much to do with his abilities.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I mean think about guys who came in as freshman and really developed during their time here.

          Off the top of my head I’ve got; Broyles (and he inherited him) & Stills. Seriously, that’s it. I just went back thru every WR class he’s had since he’s been here (ruling out the last two as it’s obv. too early to judge those kids yet).

          Cam Kenney might count, but he was a JUCO guy and really only had that one year.

          Dejuan Miller is a guy that never panned out, which still drives me crazy given his physical skill set.

          Edit: And of course you throw Shepard in there as well, but even w/ that you’re looking at just three legit guys in 6+ years on staff.

          • Gary Robbins says:

            I was worried about OU recruiting linebackers 6 months ago and was told not to worry it was a long way till national signing day. Is it still too early to worry, or should I drink more Colorado Kool-Aid?

          • Jordan Esco says:

            I’m worried that they’ve already missed on as many guys as they have. Especially w/ early playing time they have to sell. But they’re also still in on enough guys there is reason to be optimistic, BUT that is entirely dependent on how good a chance you believe they have w/ them.

            Personally, of the true “elite” guys they’re still in on that haven’t committed elsewhere I don’t really love their chances w/ most of them.

            So, no, IMO it’s not too early to be worried. But I’m also not about telling anyone else what they should or shouldn’t feel/think. I’m just saying how I feel.

          • Boom says:

            Norvell has been here since 2008 and this is who he has brought in as WR’s. To Jordan’s point, most left, some never made it here, others were kicked off and the majority didn’t pan out for some reason. Not dogging him but was curious as to our current situation.
            2008 Josh Jarboe, Miller, & Owens
            2009 Kenny & Renyolds
            2010 Sheldon McClain, Trey Franks, Justin McCay, Joe Powell, & Stills,
            2011 Kameel Jackson, Trey Metoyer
            2012 Bester JC, Woods, & Shep – Saunders & Brown?
            2013 Bennett, Cavil, Young, & Smallwood
            2014 Andrews, Mead, & Todd DGB

          • Zack says:

            While were on the subject of wideouts and based on the last 3 offers in less than a day…do you think it’s smart to recruit receivers for the first year without the potential of shep, DGB and Neal. Or would it be smart to go after more this year and get one year on campus out of them before we expect to play them?

          • Indy_sooner says:

            Just look at least year. Seeing how little we’ve used Quick, basically we could have landed KD Canon and Allen Lazard and they would be still warming the bench, seeing as to how much we’ve used Quick. WR is a really big disappointment for me this year.

  • BigJoeBrown says:

    I admit…..this is just depressing. I know we will be fine with LB ( (I am trying to be optimistic), it’s only October. But seriously, come on. I can’t help but wonder what Kish’s gameplan is for recruiting.

    I mean you look at Corey Nelson, Evans, Alexander and Shannon, even Gastelum and know that Kish can coach. But it’s just recruiting…..

  • ratman says:

    Heard Norvell was in California last night. Should have been in Desoto with red carpet for the WR Lodge from Cedar Hill. Saw Baylor and A&M there.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Hard not to feel like at this point, especially w/ this JUCO WR offer, that train has already left the station.

      • BigJoeBrown says:

        That’s what I was thinking as well, it seemed like an odd offer. Being that OU was limited on WR offered. With this offer do you really think that had they a chance with Dahu Green they would have gave him one?

        • Jordan Esco says:

          My guess is it’d be too late at this point, but IMO Green also needs a lot of development before he’d be ready to play at this level. And as I’ve said, I’m just not sure anymore that is Norvell’s strength.

          • Kody K. says:

            I am actually kind of surprised to hear you say this, Jordan. I figured with Norvell’s experience and passion for the players that developing them to full potential wouldn’t be a weakness for him. What makes you feel this way? Other than the claim that current group of receivers aren’t stepping up. Other than Shep, of course. Just curious.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Scroll down a little bit. I explained myself below.

          • Zack says:

            I wanna throw this out there though. Do you think it’s a scheme issue or lack of qb-wr continuity? Because I look at every school almost in the major 5 conferences and they have “talent” running wide open yet we can’t get anyone open but we bring in highly rated guys every year.

    • EasTex says:

      The head swAggie coach was at the game.

  • EasTex says:

    Appreciate the recruiting updates. It’s approaching that time of year where we won’t hear about any commitments until after the bowl season.
    Since the Sooners don’t play this weekend I’m trying to get out of here and head to Marshall for tonight’s big game with Texarkana High(TX). Tex Hi runs about 120 plays again if they get it rolling, while there is a soph QB/RB for Marshall that I want to see. When he comes in everybody knows he is going to run and he still has 72 carries for 720yds. He’s a 5’11” 185lb scooter.
    I think Saturday will be a good day to put it in the ditch.
    I hope every one here stays safe and sane without the good guys playing.

  • Brad Warren says:

    Any news on DeBerry? Haven’t heard anything in awhile.

  • Brian says:

    Wicker is a stud! Very much a 3-4 DE…he already has the meat on him, unlike Jacobs and Mann.

  • Super Keith says:

    Getting antsy about the current LB situation (in recruiting). However, I believe we can finish with a really solid group…but not having a single commit on the board makes it more nerve wracking.

    Would love to see KLS and Wheeler specifically, but there are plenty of good recruits in the mix. Sadly, I think Townsend is a long, long shot. I fully expect him to end up in Austin.

  • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

    Thomas, Wheeler, and Whitfield (and Malik Jefferson hey guys why are you laughing at me). If that happens I’m fine. What about you…

  • Sooner Ray says:

    Sutton looks like a good ball chaser and I really like the Westbrook kid, he could step right in as a receiver next year and being a punt returner doesn’t hurt.

  • Amayetli says:

    I know this isn’t football, but I am glad we got this guy for our Men’s Basketball coach. Lon Kruger knows how to build a successful program and get recruits.

    http://newsok.com/ou-basketball-sg-christian-james-commits-to-sooners/article/5359437

    • paganpink says:

      Yes he does, and they were pretty far down the ladder under Sampson- as in UNDER the ladder. Playing his own no talent son, grumble, grumble. Recruiting violations repeatedly. I don’t know why they hire him for NBA jobs aside from the fact he is well spoken and articulate. But he’s full of crap half the time- he’s just blowing smoke up your

    • Blake Lee says:

      still hasn’t won a post season game…

  • eastoksooner says:

    Maybe we need to get Lon Kruger to come recruit LB’s…he seems to be able to seal the deal.

  • OUknowitscomin says:

    Not sure this means a thing, is this Keisean’s father/step with him? He tweeted it last night and tagged Sean South in it.

    https://twitter.com/KLSouth16/status/525483415617810433

  • Ed Cotter says:

    Kish can’t recruit LBs and now Norvell can’t develop WRs. I guess Broyles, Stills and Shepard were just working on become great receivers by themselves. or were already fantastic when they got to OU. Wow, must be a bye week.

  • Hotrod33 says:

    K or Jordan,

    Just say we miss out on some of these lb’s that we have been recruiting for this class, What are the chances that Kish is on the hot seat or even get’s fired for not producing. Also, what have you heard about Kish from the recruits? Do they like him or they just don’t care. It is just baffling that we haven’t had one commit yet.

    • Ed Cotter says:

      Sorry, not K or Jordan, but quite a bit of the recruiting that the coaches are doing is also regional. Some of the coaches have different areas of the country they work closely with, so some of the LBs are being recruited by other coaches and not just Kish. Would be interesting to see what regions they have. Kish has big time connections in Cali and Arizona from his time at Arizona with Mike. BJW and Gundy have those Texas connections, and Monty has the Midwest and Utah.
      This might be a cool article for OP…….

      • Hotrod33 says:

        Ed,
        I know the coaches have their regions but you would think that Kish might be the one to “seal the deal” with these kids also. This has been one of the stranger recruiting seasons I have seen. Yes, I would like to see which coaches have which regions. Just perplexing to me on how this is playing out.

        • rphokc says:

          unless it’s chg’d, kish has houston

        • Ed Cotter says:

          Hotrod,
          I have to admit it is getting frustrating, but I don’t know what Kish is or isn’t doing to not land these guys. He really seems to be coaching the LBs up and many of the LB corp that are interviewed hold him in very high regard. Not sure if he just doesn’t relate to the players due to his age, or isn’t a big RAH RAH guy or what.

          • Hotrod33 says:

            I agree with you on this. I guess we won’t understand how these recruits think when it comes to recruiting. We don’t have that much depth and you think some of these guys would go I can play right away. I thought that is what some recruits want is early pt. I think that is what is baffling to me.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      It seems like it’s always something. For several years we couldn’t get a decent lineman to commit, now the LB’s aren’t knocking down our door, we have had problems at WR at times, it may just be the way the world turns now days but if the recruits have a problem with the person who is recruiting them I hope the University cares enough to fix that, family or friend be damned.

      • Hotrod33 says:

        I guess we’ll see what happens in the next few months with it. I hope they can get some of these guys they are recruiting. It will be interesting.

    • SoonerSpock says:

      He came to OU from Arizona with Mike. Assuming Mike is as loyal as Bob as historically been it might be difficult getting Kish sent down the road. Kish coached for Mike at Arizona for 8 seasons (2004-11) and Bob for 3 seasons (2012-14). That is eleven seasons coaching for the Stoops brothers.

      If you look at the association Bob has with his staff Gundy, Bobby Jack. Schmitty, Merv, Matt Millen have 16 years at OU. Mike has coached with Bob 17 years if you consider KSU. Heupel has 11 seasons coach for one of the Stoops. Norvell has 7 seasons plus is association with Bob at Iowa. Kish’s tie in with the Stoops is going to way heavily with regard to his remaining on the staff.

      The Stoops are loyal. Perhaps to a fault but I have a tendency to like loyal guys. Doesn’t mean they cannot be demanding.

      • soonermusic says:

        IMHO, there is simply no way that Stoops would have been able to establish the record he has, for himself or the program, if he allowed “loyalty” to cloud his judgement in his evaluation of coaches in any way shape or form.

        I think that ascribing motives to other people’s actions is usually “eye of the beholder” stuff. We have no real way of judging why Stoops has kept certain coaches or let coaches go. The most likely and obvious reason, of course is performance. Simple. You have to go a long way to overcome that, and it’s pretty hard for any fan or media person to be in a better position to make that analysis than Stoops is. It is just as likely that the long term associations are a product of knowing what he’s doing and good judgement as anything else.

  • F1at1ined says:

    Question here – do you guys feel we do better developing hungrier young players who may have been less highly acclaimed or recruited than we do the blue chippers who have usually been enjoying the limelight and adolation of a plethora of colleges for 2-3 years before they sign?

    I just keep thinking we seem to end up getting much more out of the hard working 2-3 star kids than the highly touted ones. Maybe we should not get hung up on stars and ratings but instead find hungry, hard working football players who will bleed Sooner Crimson.

    Disclaimer – I know there are 4-5 stars who come and play as advertised. No disrespect to those who live up to their billing.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      We have had a hand full of 5 star guys that have filled the bill but you can’t count on those guys playing through their senior year because they are the “real deal”. I have always felt better about 2 and 3 star guys who knew they had to bust their ass to start and were happy to be here.

      • SoonerSpock says:

        I too think that 3* kids that successfully produce, especially Oklahoma kids, are the key to OU having an exceptional season. However if you look at our top teams over the years they occurred when we were signing our highest number of 4* & 5* kids (2000 excepted). We need half of our recruiting class to be comprised of 4* and 5* kids and hit a home run (quality starter/producer) on 3-5 3* kids annually. Otherwise we will not contend for the top 5 on an annual basis. That has been a part of our problem for the last 5 years as the quality of our recruiting classes has waned.

        Over the last ten years if you compare the top ten recruiting classes by school with the final BCS poll top ten there will be an amazing correlation. As Barry Switzer always said you don’t win with Xs and Os you win with Jimmy’s and Joe’s.

        The problem with depending on 3* athletes to form your team is the 25 players per recruiting class prohibits you from recruiting enough 3* kids because of their hit hate. It is 2-3 time higher for the 4* and 5*players.

        Also I did an analysis of OU recruits 2002-2011 and determined if you defined a significant contributor as a player in the rotation offensively, defensively or played on special teams. About 75% of OU’s 5*s were productive, as were about 50% of the 4*s and 25% of the 3*. 2*s were not statistically significant except for kickers.

        You need about 55 players to fulfill your two deep and special teams which means each class (assuming all freshmen redshirt) needs to produce 11 productive players. If you relied on mostly 3* players given their 25% productive rate from my ten year analysis you would need to sign a class of 40+, 4*s 20* and all 5* would require a class of about 17.

        Hence a class of 25 with two 5*s, twelve 4*s, and eleven 3*s will on average develop about 10.25 producers over time. This analysis would suggest to me that our recruiting classes need to be comprised of 60% 4* and 5* players if we want to consistently produce enough talent on the field to be a persistent national championship contender.

        The 85 scholarship rule necessitate a focus on 4* and 5* players if you want to field a team the consistently contends for the national championship on an annual basis. For certain Alabama is not playing for national championships because they are loaded with 3* athletes.

        • Daddy R says:

          I applaud your analysis. Nice.

        • pag says:

          Great post , stars Do matter ,you may find some hidden gems in the 2/3 star guys but usually higher rated players are simply more talented

          • red clay says:

            Bill Snyder.

          • Blake Lee says:

            Not many of the 5 stars have panned out under stoops. AD, Tommy, and Mccoy are pretty much it. I could list 10-15 5 stars that did nothing.

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            List them.

          • Blake Lee says:

            Ok. Start off with trey meyoyer, smoke Patterson, Brent Rawls, Bomar, mike reed, Calhoun, Stephen good, rj Washington, Brandon Williams, justin chisson ,etc

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            Not all of those guys were 5* guys. Matter of fact, very few were, at least, according to ESPN.

          • SoonerSpock says:

            If you want to label panned out under Stoops as becoming an all-star there is some merit to your point but the coaches do not recruit 5* players expecting them to be all stars they are merely hoping they will become stars. They are looking for contributors/producers.

            Per Rivals rankings Pasha Jackson, Zack Latimer, Lance Mitchell, DeMarcus Granger, Ryan Reynolds, Stephen Good and R.J. Washington were all 5* and contributors/producers.

            Moreover rest assured even with hindsight Stoops would offer all of them scholarships again and be tickled when they accepted. Disappointed that most did not live up to their full potential? Stoops absolutely would be. But he would be very pleased to have the production they gave him.

            That is why you recruit 5* over 3*. 5*s can fall short of their potential and still be productive. Generally speaking 3*s have to meet their full potential to be very productive.

        • pag says:

          it would be interesting to find out the schools that got the national championship let’s say the last 10 years, what was the ranking of their recruiting classes.

    • SoonerSpock says:

      What you do is recruit the hungry less recruited guys when you cannot land the more talented 4-5* guys. It is always plan B in Norman except for running backs and DBs. Otherwise we never seem to land any of the top 2-3 players on our A list at OL, DL, LB. Bedenbaugh and Montgomery are getting good OL and DL prospects but they are not landing the very top players targeted.

    • red clay says:

      Perhaps we need to consult with Bill Snyder for the “how to”.
      He doesn’t exactly have a ton of the proverbial natural advantages that some programs enjoy.

  • rphokc says:

    world series………interesting story……….there’s a rookie reliever for the royals, finnegan (sp)……played for tcu and pitched in the college world series a yr ago…….drafted by the royals……..his first major league appearance was at yankee stadium……..tonite he finds himself in the world series, called to pitch the royals out of a jam which he did….what an amazing yr of dream experiences for this 21yo……

  • Stephen Dale says:

    what SoonerSpock posted earlier………if a guy can’t land a SEC/ PAC12 offer, he MIGHT consider coming to OU to play in the Little 12-2 conference ; that is, if Texas does not offer .

  • Zack says:

    It’s the bye week and were already down to one timeout left in the first half for isu.

  • SoonerinLondon says:

    On another note, I’m calling OU/Bama for the bowl game. You heard it here first.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    OU lost last week to a team featurning 20 WALKONS & 12 JUCO’s among its top 44 ( 2 deep) roster players. What an embarassment this OU team and group of coaches is.

    • Dustin says:

      “Fans” like you are embarrassing.

      • boomersooner says:

        and then they log out and like their own post

        • tfb_fortyseven says:

          It’s called ganging up on someone, so yeah, laying into someone. C’mon … live and let live.

          • boomersooner says:

            i’m just like you, i don’t like being told how to think. i like to figure stuff out myself. that conversation we had before irked the crap outta me, so yes lets bury the hatchet. i’d rather argue x’s and o’s instead of how fat i am and how bad your breath is..haha

          • tfb_fortyseven says:

            Everyone should be allowed a forum, but that doesn’t mean you have to listen to them. I have a serious beef against Bob right now, and so does my 91-year-old Dad (veteran of WWII, sat in the stands the day OU lost to ND to end the 47-game win streak, oil exec from Tulsa, lifelong OU booster, etc.). What’s even more telling, is that my Dad and I are not alone … there are plenty who share these views. I’ll spare you my attitude, but I appreciate your ‘peace pipe’ offer and I’ll take a few drags with you. We are all very proud of our Sooners … no other program, save ND, has the lore and history of OU’s. It’s a good thing to remember when reading posts from folks passionate about OU football. Peace.

          • boomersooner says:

            so i throw you a bone on a truce and you keep spouting off at the mouth. and yes i did see what you are saying to dustin. you and your dad and the other negative nellies are allowed your view, but if any one questions it, we are incorrigible, head in the sand sunshiners who don’t know better. what you are not getting is that its a two way street. i obviously didn’t misread your posts. that’s how you are. our side also knows of the tradition. doesn’t mean we’re all 17 and only know bob. maybe talk to your dad about the war and especially when it was over, ask him if at the peace conferences if they talked about each others perceived faults and harped on em after the ink dried on the treaty. you can disagree all you want, but from here on out don’t question my love for this program and don’t tell me how i should and shouldn’t post on a site. you keep harping about how we only see our side and group up on someone with a different view but you seem to do that exact thing. have a great night and feel free to get the last word which i’m sure you will. smell ya

          • RBear says:

            Take to it LT or get a room, please.

          • boomersooner says:

            Um save it please

          • tfb_fortyseven says:

            Sensitive and hurting are we? Learn how to read without letting your inability to handle criticism get in the way, and you’ll do fine. Otherwise, you’ll constantly sink to juvenile attempts at degrading others to make up for your lack of understanding.

          • boomersooner says:

            the old internet cool guy company line, “you don’t know how to read”. i read your crap that you said to me and to dustin. “everyone should be allowed a forum”…unless they don’t agree with you. “doesn’t mean you have to listen to them”…take your own medicine there sparky. “i have my views and my dad shares them and so do other people so you should shut it and just listen”…um self explanatory. “It’s a good thing to remember when reading posts from folks passionate about OU football”…uh, we’re all passionate about OU football there sport, its just people like you who think their opinion is the only one a person could have that just need to stop. and what was my juvenile attempt to degrade others? it seems to me that there is a sensitive person who thinks dustin and i were cyber bullying the troll with the picture. just let it go pal. agree to disagree

          • tfb_fortyseven says:

            That’s the point: You continually make it personal, misinterpret to suit your bullying, then you lay into anyone who disagrees with you again. I read “your crap” all the time yet refuse to take it low. “Just let it go pal” … I “smell ya”. “Juvenile” = “i got a dad. don’t need another one”, “have a great night and feel free to get the last word which i’m sure you will. smell ya”, “opinions are like butt holes”, “and then they log out and like their own post”. You let it go and so shall I, but if you expect me to be silent after an insult (which you seem to enjoy), then it will not happen, and I will contend/pursue you wherever and whenever the opportunity presents itself. Stop the bullying, BS.

          • boomersooner says:

            wow. wow is all i have to say. i mean, really. kids are getting made fun of for many different things and kill themselves due to the bullying of others, but you are getting bullied? haha. i’m sure there is a hotline you can give a jingle. the reason i called it your crap is because you come across as someone who talks down to people. you keep on and on and on and on about you and your dad and people like you and then how nobody listens to you and nobody takes your opinion seriously but you try to “cyber scold” me and the other guy because some troll has found this site and likes to run his mouth and you have said he has a point but people like dustin or myself are “embarassing”. uncle<————–this is me crying uncle to your tired act. are you austin kolcheck or whatever his name is from the punked show or something?

          • tfb_fortyseven says:

            OK, good laugh BS!! If I was getting bullied i wouldn’t be responding now would I? Acquiescence is what bullies are after, not folks who stand up to them. And ‘talking down to people’? Really? wow, and just wow!! you must be hurting to say such an outrageous thing … Are you hurting? I’m so sorry, I’ll try to soften my BS beat downs in the future. Don’t confuse good vocabulary and grammar with arrogance. “Keep on and on” … more wow, and just wow! I mentioned it one time in the posts above. Good laugh!!! Ha!! Thanks man! No one’s responding because they don’t want to get involved. And ‘tired’? No, I will not be tired. You can count on that, but you can tire. Go for it, I “smell ya”. If you want me to ‘cyber scold’ you, then fine, I can do that too … you’re easy meat. And as far as ‘running his mouth’, I’ve noticed way more posts from you than me, you need to stop judging others through the same lens you judge yourself. One final note, when you stop, I will stop, but until then, you can count on me responding to your diatribe: “Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction”, but in your case I’ll make an exception. Bring it!!

          • boomersooner says:

            oh ok. i didn’t realize i was talking to noah webster. how cool. i had no idea you were an OU fan. learn something new everyday. me hurting? no chance. life is too short and my beautiful children keep me from it. and it looks like 8-6 your lead on posts in this conversation there “meat”, so yes you run your mouth a lot and you’ll be done when you get the last word obviously

      • tfb_fortyseven says:

        You and “boomer” need to stop laying into folks for their opinion even if it doesn’t suit your thinking. Last I checked this is a free website, and there is no condition of ‘think like us or else’ to be on here. Please stop.

        • boomersooner says:

          i got a dad. don’t need another one. didn’t realize i laid into him by saying he anonymously likes his own posts. i mean…you tell me how what i said is laying into someone…

        • Dustin says:

          “What an embarassment this OU team and group of coaches is.” = opinion
          “…you are embarrassing.” = “laying into folks”
          Do I have that right? Thanks for the laugh.

          • tfb_fortyseven says:

            Of course you do, and I’ll go down the rabbit hole with you: SD has every right to say what he did. If you’re embarrassed that is your problem, not his. I find fans like you even more embarrassing since you appear so unwilling to accept the views of others even though they don’t conform to your thinking. Give it a rest… he’s got a very valid point.

          • Dustin says:

            He has no valid points. And neither do you. Go have a Coke and a smile, pal.

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      I get your point, but I wouldn’t call them an embarrassment. Maybe the word ‘underachievers’ would be more suitable. Stoops is paid what … $5.25M, and Snyder is being paid $2.85M? So, a correction needs to occur with Stoops much like the stock market does when prices are inflated for too long. I guess our booster/supporters can continue throwing their money away and feel good about what they are doing, but someone or some group needs to start holding him accountable for the results vs pay thing going on right now. Maybe if Bob was just nicer or more likeable/affable it would be easier to handle what is going on … not sure.

  • Ed Cotter says:

    Article on Riverside Poly, the team that OU recruit Ykili Ross plays for. They beat Rancho Verde HS to stay undefeated. Ykili had a 75 yards TD catch and finished off the scoring with a 65 yard INT return for score in the last minute of the game as RV was trying to tie the game.

    http://www.pe.com/articles/game-752739-poly-verde.html

  • Jason Rudd says:

    Jojo Wicker looks sick. Would love to watch him in a sooner uniform”

  • akryan says:

    Anybody watching the TCU vs TTU game? Holy offense! 75-27 with 10 minutes to go in the game.

  • pag says:

    Btw Gerald Mc Coy got a 7 year 98 mil contract extension. One of the great Sooners!

  • James D-Space says:

    TCU just scored their 82nd PT of the game… Karma?
    How’d kids pick TTU over OU exactly?
    Boomer!

    • F1at1ined says:

      Gotta think the honeymoon is going to be over real fast for Kliff. Tech isn’t really known for their defense, but on their best day, they used to keep it within touching distance for their offense. However, their defense is regressing faster than their offense is.

    • tfb_fortyseven says:

      No one’s picking Taco Tech over OU, but going by the numbers, Stoops’ record in Lubbock is 3 wins vs 4 losses. I think he hates that place, and it shows in his record. As for Shades getting smoked today, I am sooo glad to see him get hammered. It will never make sense the Tech decision to deny Baker the ability to play at OU. They are a bunch of to keep him from transferring directly to OU when he is a walkon. SMH

  • Stephen Dale says:

    1.) wonder if Texas shutout loss will keep Ryan Newsome from commiting to the Horns ?? 2.) bet TT gives up more than 27 in their next game as well….. Sure is good to see KK watch his team lose.

  • bmrsnr says:

    Anything new on Barnett?

  • boomersooner says:

    wow. cmon utes. 17 seconds left. 1 time out left. your qb is paul bunyan. and you line up in shotgun. put our film on in the red zone and kinda watch what not to do and line up under center and sneak it. weird thing will happen…you will score and win the game

  • boomersooner says:

    things you learn as you get older:

    i don’t know everything
    espn sure as hell doesn’t know everything
    not even close
    no matter how you spin it, arkansas isn’t good-don’t talk em up
    no matter how you spin it, cal isn’t good-don’t talk em up
    mizzou is somethin awful
    vandy flat out stinks
    i wouldn’t trust saban as far as i could throw him
    les miles is a good coach but man i can’t stand him-sorry bout his mama tho
    never trust a fart
    i would love to play nebraska every year
    not b/c they aren’t good but b/c they’re nebraska
    nicknames do not make the man
    character does
    opinions are like butt holes
    delta bravos will be delta bravos
    we still have a shot at the conference title until we don’t
    we still have a shot at the playoffs until we don’t
    allen iverson thinks so
    jim mora thinks so
    our d has to get back to being our d
    i hope brian and the boz is as good as billed
    the walking dead is awesome
    breaking bad was awesome
    i love the university of oklahoma
    BOOMER!!

  • JJsooner1 says:

    Hmmmm…..2 teams from Texa$$ get curb stomped and one, TCU went all rump ranger on Taco Tech!!! Gotta love it. USC lost. Ole Miss & Bo Wallace looked lost. Okielite looks vastly overrated.

    Overall a decent weekend with unbelievable weather. Sad that KC lost, they need to steal one more in SF.

    Only 3 working days left and off to the beach for days.

    Should we donate some Vaseline to KK?? Ummmmmmm nope.

  • Gary Robbins says:

    Who would of thought that about halfway thru the season the top 4 in Big 12 are Kansas State, West Virginia, TCU, and Baylor. Leading the scoring is TCU with Kansas State having the best defense. OU is mired in 6th place. SMH because even if OU wins out we will need some help.

  • Won says:

    Memories

  • Stephen Dale says:

    The TT game in feed lot country ( Lubbock) should be interesting. TT should score in the high 40’s or low 50’s against Mikey’s defense. Hopefully OU can score at least one more point than the Sand Raiders.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    Gary Robbins……………….the season is not over. 6th place at the end of the season may be just a fond memory. OU has the potential to—and probably will–lose at least 2-3 more games. A 7-5 record is highly likely given the teams left on the schedule and OU’s inability to control the LOS on either side. Are you going to buy tickets to OU’s post season minor bowl game ?

    • dudley04 says:

      Hell no i would’t buy any more every time you buy a ticket you just prolong the bob stoop coaching tenure

      • Zack says:

        230 pm? It’s too early to be that drunk on a Sunday

        • dudley04 says:

          Okay zack just keep on drinking the kool aid

          • Zack says:

            There aren’t 5 coaches better than stoops in college football. And ou won’t get a big time replacement. They would have to find the right young assistant to lead this team and I’m not convinced that’s an easy task. When stoops has a down year he wins 9 or 10 games.
            When other coaches have a down year they miss bowl season.

          • tfb_fortyseven says:

            Sorry to chime in, but he’s had three down years: 1999 (which isn’t really a down year), 2005 (8 – 4), and 2009 (8 – 5). His average years are around the 9 or 10 win seasons, followed by his good/excellent seasons at 11+ wins. He is a very good coach, he just won’t win #8 unless he has a ton of luck or hires the right mix of assistant coaches …. neither of which he has right now. Imagine if he were to replace Heupel with the current group of folks? Or replace Kish with the current group? The better hire would be replacing Kish due to his lack of recruiting, but replacing Heupel right now would be problematic since the offense will need some time to understand the new OC’s plan/goals. The talent we have on offense is stuck with Heupel at least for another season … most likely more.

          • Zack says:

            Yeah I don’t count 99. And the other 2 you pointed out were after replacing heisman winners. But another down year was 2006 which I believe was an 11 win season. And last year was considered down (until the finish) was an 11 win season. And this year is a down year (not over) and has the potential for 11 wins. Also they won both the 2005 and 2009 bowl games which most other schools wouldn’t have made a bowl game.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            There are teams all over the nation that would give anything to have our win/loss record under Stoops. I grew up watching Fairbanks and Switzer so I was spoiled by winning, wish I could have seen more of Bud. People who cry for Bob’s head after a two loss season must have not watched OU football from 1989 to 1999, that was a tough ten years to be a fan. Finding a good solid coach is not an easy thing to do, even Switzer has said that in today’s environment with the scholarship limits, new recruiting rules, social media, different style of play as well as a different kind of kid, he may not have been as successful. It’s a different world now and perfect seasons are going to be hard to come by. There is a time for change but sometimes you need to be careful what you ask for, there are some more Howards and Blakes in the world.

          • Zack says:

            This is what fans have to understand. A coaching change would end up closer to the catastrophe in Lubbock than the dynasty in Tuscaloosa. I realize the frustration each week but I think stoops is going through a change in his methods to be more like what Pete Carroll was at USC than what won our title in 2000. And I think he’s aiming for a more laid back approach because he doesn’t want to be too consumed with football to where the stress takes a toll on him. What I think he needs to do is give his coordinators more control to where they coach with the fire we are used to seeing…ones that aren’t as close to him.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            I know you are just giving an opinion of what you think Stoops is going through and I don’t have a problem with a coach running a laid back atmosphere as long as all his coordinators are top notch recruiters and capable of being HC’s some day. If Stoops just doesn’t want to be consumed with football, he may need to reconsider his future. I have no problem with a coach that is dedicated to his family but they know what the lifestyle is when they take the job.

          • Zack says:

            I agree and that’s why it would be best for mike and josh to find head coaching jobs cause mike is family and josh is probably the closest thing to family. He needs coordinators he cares a little less about.

          • EasTex says:

            Still trolling, I see.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Speaking of trolling, were there any fish in the ditch this weekend?

          • EasTex says:

            Yessir, got a mess of Crappie.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Hope you have some cornmeal and some oil for your fryer!

          • EasTex says:

            No worries on that.
            BTW, big thanks to a fishery in Oklahoma. Caddo Lake now has paddlefish again.

    • Gary Robbins says:

      If they end up with a 7-5 record they don’t deserve a bowl game, IMO. Their last 5 games are Iowa State, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas, and Oklahoma State. Being an OU fan since 1971, I just can’t see them losing to 3 of those teams. After all OU has 2 weeks to get their ship together. Don’t get me wrong a 7-5 record is probably good for some teams. If OU ends up with a 7-5 record I am liable to stop drinking alcohol of any kind-now that is a scary thought!

  • SoonerinLondon says:

    I hope the OU players don’t have as much quit in them as some fans seem to. I see no reason we don’t finish 10-2. We lost by 4 to what may be the best team in the conference and by 1 to a team that isn’t losing to many others…both on the back of pick 6s and failure to pick up 3rd and 1.

    Hopefully, it’s only fans who have given up.

    • boomersooner says:

      thank you for saying this

      • EasTex says:

        Indeed.
        Check this girl’s reaction when Ole Miss lost in this link. At least she isn’t calling for a new coach, as far as we know.

        • Sooner Ray says:

          HAHA, thanks Tex. I needed a good laugh. I sometimes wish my wife was a big sports fan but after watching that meltdown, I’m glad she’s just into horses!

          • EasTex says:

            I don’t know what the relationship is between the guy and girl, but after he posted that video I doubt they will be speaking again…ever.

        • rphokc says:

          …….friendly advice to any boyfriend, or anyone thinking about applying……RUN!!!!!!!!

  • soonerborn says:

    Cameron Townsend has committed to the longhorns.

  • Sooner Ray says:

    Ok, I just turned on the Colts/ Steelers game……I may have just seen the ugliest uniforms ever made.

  • Boomer4life says:

    Just happy to be here!

    • Sooner Ray says:

      You and me both Boomer. Spent last night at the Heart Institute, nearly lost a family member. Makes these football problems seem petty.

    • boomersooner says:

      just happy to have kindred spirits here. man i thought i was the only one in here with a hose putting out all these fires this weekend. felt like i was playing cards with my brothers kids or something