Open Post | Weekend, Jan. 23rd – 25th (UPDATE Sun., 9:12 pm)

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Happy Friday!

Josh Smith: As far as we know, 2015 LB Josh Smith will be OU’s lone official visitor this weekend. It can be a little tough to gather information on Smith, because he doesn’t seem to be talking to media at the moment. But we have been able to confirm that Smith will follow up this weekend’s Oklahoma trip with an official visit to Oregon next weekend.

Van Jefferson: We continue to hear good things on this front and, again, at this point we will be surprised if Van ends up anywhere other than OU (regardless of whether his father is or isn’t seriously entertaining the OU WR coaching position). Simply put, OU did a good job of recruiting Jefferson and Lincoln Riley’s offense is an attractive one to play in for wide receivers.

Wide Receiving Speed: Just an interesting note we heard from a source regarding OU’s direction at the wide receiver position. Last year, OU went after bigger guys (Jeff Mead, Dallis Todd, and Mark Andrews). Before that OU was kind of all over the map. Many of you probably saw that earlier this week, Lincoln Riley made his first 2016 WR offer to Baylor commit, Tren’Davian Dickson. We’ve been told that the offensive identity going forward at the wide receiver position is, “speed, speed, and more speed…not 4.5 or 4.6 kids…4.4 or 4.3 kids is the priority.”

A lot of coaches describe Baylor’s offensive threats as, trying to defend ‘four or five track stars.’ Apparently, Riley places the highest priority on speed and going forward you can expect OU to go after the fastest kids they can find. That isn’t to say speed isn’t always a priority for most staffs, but it isn’t always the number one priority. Many staffs look at size, or body control, or some other factor, but OU’s priority going forward is expected to be ‘blazing speed.’

Rashard Lawrence: Yesterday, Jerry Montgomery stopped by to visit one of the top 2016 defensive line prospects, Rashard Lawrence from Louisiana. As many of you know, Lawrence has already taken an unofficial visit to OU. Yesterday, we talked to someone who knows Lawrence well and we were told that, “Rashard absolutely loves loves loves Jerry Montgomery…he doesn’t have the kind of relationship he has with Jerry with anyone on the LSU staff, and he says that himself.” Normally we’d count OU out on Louisiana’s top defensive prospect, but that’s tough to do when coach Montgomery is involved.

Kyler Murray: If you’ve paid any attention in recent days, you know that Texas fans are starting to feel pretty good about their chances with Kyler Murray. And some TAMU fans are starting to freak out a bit. Not much to report on the OU front, but we just wanted to pass on the note that the Sooners are indeed still recruiting Murray. We have been told that Lincoln Riley is in regular contact and is working hard to persuade him. With the primary pitch being that his offense and Norman are the best place for Murray. It seems like a long shot at this point, but we just wanted to pass along the note that we’ve been told Riley hasn’t given up quite yet.

DaiShon Neal: We spoke to recent OU visitor and 2015 DE DaiShon Neal’s mother about their trip to OU this past weekend. She had a glowing report of their time in Norman and their experience with the coaching staff. Neal’s mother said, “We had an outstanding trip to OU…impressed with the coaching staff and the academics that OU has to offer. Coach Stoops is a class act!” We also asked DaiShon’s mother about their interactions with coach Montgomery since he would be Neal’s position coach and she remarked, “Coach Montgomery was awesome. Very genuine in his interactions with us as parents, as well as with DaiShon. He paid attention to details, which were important to us as a family and which were important to DaiShon as a student-athlete. DaiShon vibed well with coach Montgomery.”

According to his mother, Neal has an official visit set up to Nebraska this weekend and has plans to go to Oregon next weekend. We asked Neal’s mother if distance was a factor and apparently Neal’s mother lives in Houston. In fact, DaiShon was raised in Houston and only moved to Nebraska a couple years ago to live with his father so that he could continue to develop his football skills under his father’s tutelage (Neal’s father is a former player). But Neal’s mother said, “OU is the closest school to us (in terms of proximity to Houston) that he is considering.”

– UPDATE (Fri., 11:52 am): Utah State makes the hiring of Josh Heupel official. In addition to an offensive coordinator title, Heupel also carries QB coach & assistant head coach titles in his new position.

– UPDATE Fri., (3:31 pm): One-time OU wide receiver target, Ryan Newsome, has committed to UCLA.

UPDATE (Fri., 5:28 pm): OU stopped by to see 2016 star LB, Caleb Kelly. Kelly is very high on the Sooners and has already been out to OU for an unofficial visit.

– UPDATE (Fri., 6:49 pm): TFB has learned that OU’s lone expected visitor this weekend, 2015 LB Josh Smith, will now not be in Norman. We’re aware there is a report out there that the visit has been rescheduled for next weekend, but at this time we have been unable to confirm that. We’ll of course continue to update you as information becomes available. But for now it would appear OU will be hosting nobody on one of just two remaining crucial recruiting weekends.

– UPDATE (Sun., 8:31 am): At the time of Louis Brown’s decommitment from Texas, it was thought he could be a potential option for an OU team obviously struggling to recruit the LB position in this 2015 class. However, on Saturday night Brown tweeted that he had committed to Oklahoma State.

– UPDATE (Sun., 8:37 am): Sooners also offered 2016 DT Chris Daniels (Euless, TX) yesterday.

– UPDATE (Sun., 11:35 am): Aware of the report/s out there regarding Van Jefferson and Ole Miss. But according to Jefferson’s own words, they appear to be false (at least for now).

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– UPDATE (Sun., 11:50 am): Also just wanted to congratulate Riley Daniel on his commitment to Baylor today. Daniel is an OK Preps kid that TFB was talking about all the way back last summer, JY even did a feature on him talking up his talent. Very happy for the young man.

– UPDATE (Sun., 1:14 pm): Van Jefferson has told TFB that he will discuss things with his family and hopes to announce a decision later tonight or tomorrow.

UPDATE (Sun., 1:35 pm): We know there has been a lot of speculation about Van Jefferson today and where he will end up. There were false rumors that Jefferson committed to Ole Miss earlier today. This may come as a surprise to some but we still like where Oklahoma stands but we’ll all know his decision pretty soon.

– UPDATE (Sun., 8:55 pm): Van Jefferson has committed to Ole Miss.

– UPDATE (Sun., 8:58 pm): Continuing what is proving to be a less than stellar (to say the least) Sunday evening.

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– UPDATE (Sun., 9:12 pm): And not that it matters at this point, but Fotu Leiato has committed to Oregon.

1,721 Comments

  • Zack says:

    I hope Jefferson can convince his buddy smith to join him in Norman. I know the teaming up thing doesn’t work as much as we would think but I hope it works out for these 2.

  • Sam Philbeck says:

    I know it’s a long shot as you said, but I’d love it if they just put on the full court press with Murray. Stoops, Riley, Gundy, Montgomery all going in on a visit with him. Pipe dream as it may be, but Id like to see it happen. After they take care of putting on full court pressure with McGinnis and Smith.

    • Jhwig says:

      If I have to bet the farm, I believe Murray will end up not being a factor in college and definitely not the super star most people believe he will be in college. I just wouldn’t get really worked up over Murray. I think Smith, Jefferson, Lampkin, Neal and Wariboko are more vital to OU than Murray…b/c of the risk/reward ratio that Murray brings to the table. Murray is at a high risk level for being a bust.

      • EasTex says:

        Murray is a “winner,” something Riley has specifically stated he wants in a QB.

        • Jhwig says:

          I’m pretty sure everyone wants to recruit a “winner,” but this buzz word description of a QB doesn’t eliminate the obvious risks of taking a chance on a 5’8″ 160-170lb QB.

          Also, it’s easy to win when you are playing with 25+ division 1 players during your high school career.

          • EasTex says:

            5’11” 180lbs
            I’ve watched him play since he was a 15 year old sophomore, kid is a winner and makes everyone around him better.

          • Jhwig says:

            Yes, yes…the kid has won many games during his HS career. He’s a “winner.” We all know that, and I don’t want to discount the guy b/c I believe he will go down as one of the best texas HS players…well…ever. I too have seen him play many times.

            You say he makes everyone around him better and I agree. However, I don’t think you can deny that he’s played with some of the best HS players in the state of texas for the last 3 years.

            I think he’s always had great skill players and lots of time to throw behind amazing offensive lines. I think that when we are both being honest, he’s a tiny dude and at least 2 inches away from being 5’11”.

            These are the reasons he’s a high risk, high reward player. Dude could end up being great, but his measurables raise red flags of being a guy that does not pan out…at least based on expectations.

          • EasTex says:

            I don’t doubt he is 5’11”, even if others do.
            I also don’t doubt he is a high reward/high risk QB that may not live up to expectations, we have seen that too many times over the years with “can’t miss” players.
            To me his “measurables” are the numbers he has put up in the number of wins, the passing yards, rushing yards and TDs, not his physical stature. His offense had to carry the team this year, as it was a very down year for their defense. His sheer will to win is what carried them through the playoffs, having to come from behind in 3 straight games with two of those being decided by a FG at the end of the game and the other game against Skyline when they were down by 18 in the middle of the 3rd qtr. He put the entire team on his shoulders in that Skyline game and was one of the most impressive games I have seen him play.

          • Jhwig says:

            Sounds like we are on the same page. Amazing high school player, the intangibles are definitely there with Murray…it’s the tangibles when it comes to prototypical QB height and weight (and some may even say arm strength…although I think Murray has a good arm) that make Murray the high risk, high reward type.

            Which brings me to my original point, if we don’t get Murray, I don’t think we should be too upset b/c it is likely that he may not be a big factor (at least according to his expectations) in college.

          • EasTex says:

            My only hope is if he doesn’t come to OU that he goes to a school in another conference.

          • Jhwig says:

            Best case scenario if he doesn’t go to OU, he signs with Texas to spurn the Aggies and then plays baseball to spurn the Horns.

          • EasTex says:

            I would rather see him go far away and give another conference fits.

          • ruasoonerfan2 says:

            Kids a winner, if we can get him great. Need that mentality here.

        • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

          He’s everything you want in a QB, except he’s got a small frame. I have no doubt he’ll be good in college

          • EasTex says:

            I don’t doubt it either. He never ceased to amaze me with his ability to make any throw known to man.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      I just don’t know why Murray would choose UT. They don’t run the spread. They seem to want more of a pro-style offense with a power run game. They recruited one really good and one average pocket passing QB in this class already. Heard is just a redshirt freshman and he was highly recruited. And Swoops is still young. Doesn’t sound like the place for Murray to me.

      • Sam Philbeck says:

        I agree completely. The fact he is close to so many recruits would be a big reason why he would choose them, outside of that I don’t see the offense fitting what he normally runs.

  • Jhwig says:

    I posed this question to some people. Will Montgomery end up being Bob’s best position coach with the biggest impact on the program during his time at OU? Discuss…

    • Doobie74OU says:

      It is a great question. I believe he is at or very near the top! Right now OUs best two position coaches and recruiters are at the two most vital positions. Monty on the DL and Coach B on the OL! If these two position continue to be coached and recruited well your team will always have a chance to be great!

      • RBear says:

        I’d have to argue that Gundy is right up there.

        • SoonerSpock says:

          Absolutely and Cale has been doing for 16 years instead of 2.

        • Cush Creekmont says:

          Agree on his recruiting success. I do think the two line positions ARE more important than RB. Still, let’s just keep ALL THREE and move forward…hoping we get some improved coaching elsewhere on the defense.

  • Doobie74OU says:

    At first it was a bit dissappointing that Smith is the only visitor this weekend, but the more I thought about it I realized what better chance could you have to put the full court press on a kid that plays a very vital position, LINEBACKER! Should be able to focus on him give him plenty of one on one time and really make an impression!

  • 50312Sooner says:

    I presume that while speed kills, the ability to catch the ball would also be a priority.

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Anything on John Houston?

  • Soonerfandave84 says:

    Kyler Murray would be an awesome get, but not very likely. I kinda like that Josh Smith is the lone OV. Bob, Monty, Cale, or Viney need to be in his ear constantly. Let him know how much OU wants/needs him

  • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

    Can’t teach speed.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      +1

      • dahldennsull says:

        Have to think Quick sets up nicely for this offense, IF he can get his hands in order. Riley didn’t have anyone on ECU’s roster that could run like Quick can, heck we haven’t had any of those in a while. Different type of speed

        • Lane Gilstrap says:

          I believe John Humphrey jr will be faster

          • EasTex says:

            That young man can blaze.

          • Jhwig says:

            I have only been able to find a little film on Hump, and I know his HS team wasn’t very good. My problem with Hump is his size. He not only has a small frame, he doesn’t have much on it. He’s underdeveloped in terms of muscle tone. I don’t think he plays next year, and I’m worried his the type of guy that OU brings in and he never sees the field.

            Cannot deny his speed though…he’s definitely fast.

          • EasTex says:

            I actually like his frame, along with his speed and good hands.
            I think he fills out nicely with OU’s nutrition and S&C program.
            http://www.hudl.com/athlete/569951/highlights/206148375

          • dahldennsull says:

            Can’t argue with you there. Bet he could be faster in the 40, Quick faster in the 10/20 yard splits. His quickness is just crazy (no pun intended).

          • JB says:

            I would be surprised if he’s faster than Quick. If I’m not mistaken, Quick was the fastest guy on the team.

          • coach K says:

            Quick and fast are two different things. Having a fast 40 time doesn’t always mean fast but it does mean quick.

          • j l says:

            Humphrey has ran a 4.2 twice. Hes likely the fastest guy on the team.

      • Stephen Dale says:

        very true , CC.

    • Cush Creekmont says:

      Can’t teach tall either. Inside the 10, that speed has a lot less impact. Just MAYBE the new OC & WR coaches will put the tall ones in near the goal line…and inside the 5 maybe RUN the dang ball.

  • EasTex says:

    I looked at a Miss St forum thread where they were talking about how the TAMU boards were freaking out over Murray visiting Texsa. The MSU fans didn’t really know anything about Murray or his accomplishments.
    Take it for what it’s worth, a rumor there is that Sumlin’s in home visit at the Murray’s didn’t go well at all. Everything from Dad not liking him to Sumlin not wanting Kyler to play baseball. Not likely we will ever know if any of it’s true.

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Thanks for the WR “blazing speed” note, and the comparison to Baylor. Is Riley going to implement an offense similar to Baylor’s?

    • Jordan Esco says:

      I’m sure there will be some similarities, but it won’t be an exact carbon copy, if that makes sense.

      • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

        Makes sense. With all these 4 & 5 WR formations, I hope Riley can coach up one of the four QB’s currently on the roster

    • Mysterio1 says:

      That would be great, because their offense starts with the success of running the football.

  • DCinAZ says:

    I’m a little surprised that it’s taken us this long to realize the benefits of speed at the WR position and start recruiting it.

  • ruasoonerfan2 says:

    Do you think Aaron Sims preferred walk on has a chance at OU. Kid is fast but real small.

  • ruasoonerfan2 says:

    Any more news on the kid from NC that Riley was recruiting before coming to OU. Think his name is Hughes.

  • dahldennsull says:

    Montgomery tweeted late last night: “We are just getting done with the home visit in the (402) #justwaitonit

    Last couple times he has tweeted #justwaitonit we have gotten a commit within the next week. Think he wrapped up Daishon last night…

  • Chris White says:

    Go get my little cousin Cameron Batson from Texas Tech. He’s small (5’9″) but really fast and twitchy. He was a Freshman last season and got some PT and was starting PR. Only issue would be Tech, again, not approving of a transfer

  • Jason Vos says:

    If speed is what Lincoln Riley wants, I would think Quick & John Humphries are doing high fives right now.

  • Stephen says:

    I’m alright with an emphasis on speed, just please never run the system from this past season of playing 3 slot recievers at the same time. That was just a headache. We need sizable WR’s to beat DB’s up.

    • Zack says:

      You mean 3 slot receivers with no real outside receiver right? Shep can play all over but he should be moved to the slot at times

      • Stephen says:

        I went ahead and edited my statement to clarify that bigger guys on the outside are a must. I think it would help our small QB’s, too. Nothing is more frustrating than watching a small QB to find a small WR over the middle. That idea was just awful.

        • ruasoonerfan2 says:

          If those small slot guys can run sub 4.5’s and run good routes they will be open. Small QB might have to move in the pocket or slide out of pocket to see them but I think Riley will coach the QB’s up.

          • Stephen says:

            I’m a Riley optimist. I just don’t think WR’s who are sub 6′ and weigh in at 185 or 190 aren’t going to run with confidence through the middle of the field. That safety or LB just needs to lay into him one time and he’ll be focusing on avoiding the hit not the ball the rest of the game. Not to say a big WR won’t do the same but they’ll obviously be able to absorb more or return equal contact. Also, it would be a much easier target to hit.

          • ruasoonerfan2 says:

            If we spread the field, should open up some holes in the defense to catch the ball, or Perine up the middle

          • EasTex says:

            I have to disagree with the notion that a taller WR can absorb more punishment. A 6’0″ 195lb WR like Shep and Neal are solidly built.

          • Zack says:

            Well Neal is more like 5’10 I will turn my tv off during the opener next year if he is lined up outside

          • EasTex says:

            LOL.
            My point being he is solidly built.
            Personally, I don’t care if he lines up as a wing back as long as the offense moves the chains, burns clock and scores.

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            Exactly. We’ve had some shorter WR’s do very well on the outside over Bob’s time at OU.

          • Daddy R says:

            Um, no. No, you wont. I’m calling your bluff Zack! (turning off, and then back on immediately wont count!)

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Funny. Neal dropped passes, runs shoddy routes and does not appear to get consistent separation. I’m done too.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Receivers that relish going over the middle are rare; regardless of size. I do like the tight end in that role though because of size; both height and weight.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Seams. I’ve seen it done, but it can be a risky timing pattern. Everybody’s got to get it right.

        • Zack says:

          If they’re taught better routes or if the play calling has better routes then it should look a lot easier. I would like to know what the % of passing over the middle was last season. I honestly think there was a 2:1 ratio of completions vs interceptions last season. We have to find more success between the numbers.

          • Stephen says:

            We should have known that over-the-middle passing was doomed when Jordan Lewis destroyed KJ Young in the Spring Game on those short middle passes. Knight has always had trouble seeing the LB. I will say the deep middle with Shep was pretty nice up till he was injured.

          • Zack says:

            Yep. I know a post ends up over the middle but for me that’s not in the heart of the defense.

          • Indy_sooner says:

            I like this Jordan Lewis guy. Evans/Ronnell’s offspring? 😀

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Knight won’t win the job. I hope he worked with a QB guru this year.

          • Mysterio1 says:

            Very sad, he is a real good kid. He just doesn’t really have IT.

        • D Hunter Sanchez says:

          Our small QB found a big LB instead.

      • DCinAZ says:

        I think Shep wanted to play outside so that’s why they moved him there. I don’t think he wanted to play slot but I think he’s fooling himself if he thinks he’ll play anything but slot in the NFL.

        • Indy_sooner says:

          Dude was out running and out-jumping DBs all season long with a so-so QB and 900 yards+ before he went down says he’s pretty good at either. If anything, it shows how versatile he is

  • Mizuno44 says:

    great Open Post this morning, feels like we have the…

  • Jeff says:

    I like the idea of speed but you do need some tall physical WR also. Would hate playing a physical team and getting shut down because they were not able to get off the DB. As for Murray, it’s funny how the Texass fans didn’t want him now they want him

    • BigJoeBrown says:

      In regards to the big recievers, that is my opinion as well. I love the speedy shifty guy’s, in the slot. But it’s nice to have that one outside threat on the deep ball..(Malcomn Kelly, Blackmon, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Kevin White)

  • bmrsnr says:

    So whats the plan with all our big WRs?

    • Stephen says:

      Hopefully play them.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Well, they’ve already moved Andrews to TE. I think there’s definitely still a role for Mead & Todd in this new offense.

      • bmrsnr says:

        is there a role for TE’s and FB’s in this offense? Really hope we use these guys, not only is it hard to coach speed its hard to coach height.

      • Jhwig says:

        I believe Mead will end up being a good player and will play some next year. I think Todd never sees any meaningful playing time…maybe ultimately transfers.

        • Zack says:

          Eh I disagree about Todd. I think he was the most ready guy we signed last year at receiver. It surprised me that he didn’t play at all. I don’t think that was any indication of his talent or ability just that they wanted to develop him some more.

          • Jhwig says:

            Really? Huh…Todd caught 2 types of passes in HS…screen passes and flies. He did nothing else. He was extremely underdeveloped as a receiver. Also, while tall, he was not a very physical receiver in HS.
            He reminds me a lot of Dahu Green, which I believe is some indication of why OU is not recruiting Green.

            I believe Mead has two advantages over Todd…he’s faster and a better receiver/route runner/player. As soon as Mead develops physically, Mead will see more playing time.

          • Zack says:

            I said most ready not best route runner. That said I thought physically he was stronger than mead and fast enough to play. But let me also ask this how often do you watch a HS kids film and see all different kinds of routes? Their highlights are going to be their best and most explosive plays not 8 yard hitches, 10 yard outs slants and other short possession type routes.

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqb6tYbTElY

          • Jhwig says:

            Rebuttal:
            1. Probably stronger than mead…yes, but I wouldn’t label him the hulk
            2. Not a particularly fast guy
            3. Not a great route runner
            4. Did not see the field all season (not even sure if he played on special teams…would have to look that up)

            IMO – these things show that he was not “the most ready” of all our freshman receivers.

          • Zack says:

            And norvell being fired and stoops recommending Texas to jump on him, tells me stoops doesn’t think norvell is THAT great. We will see but I believe Todd will be at least a nice player in the next year or 2.

        • Fear The Magic says:

          I wonder how Smallwood will do in the new offense. I thought they should have used him more last year.

      • Bob Barker says:

        I think we could see Andrews in that Amaro role.

    • JB says:

      Fast TEs.

  • Michael Darling says:

    All of this information for free??? #blessed
    Great work TFB!

  • Zack says:

    Newsome is supposed to announce today. I assume since we’re not in the top 2 anyway that we shouldn’t even pay attention but for some reason our coaches thought we had a chance.
    So I hope mike Hughes gets an offer by monday

  • Bob Barker says:

    I like all the speed talk, but I’ll admit that I cringe a bit when thinking of possible Raiders comparisons. They’ve made some really bad decisions coveting speed over everything else.

    • James says:

      Exhibit A….. Darious Heyward Bay

      • Jhwig says:

        Still playing in the NFL…

        …realize that wasn’t the point…but just saying…

        • James says:

          True… For what? The third or fourth team and he was a top ten pick if I remember correctly. I’m sure the raiders wouldn’t call that a “bad decision”. But what you say is in fact true.

        • James says:

          No worries, but I hate that I just wasted 5 minutes of my life confirming that Blaine Gabbert was also still in the league before my witty comeback

      • Daryl says:

        I agree you can’t only look at speed but the saying speed kills is still true. I don’t think this post is saying that the only thing Riley is looking for is speed but it is a top priority. If guy can’t catch they are. It going to recruit him but a guy that can catch and runs 4.7 probably isn’t going to get open to catch at the D1 level.

        • James says:

          I’m actually quite happy to read we are wanting more “speed”. I’m sure that having at least serviceable hands would be a given to play at a school like OU.

          • Bob Barker says:

            Please tell that to K.J. Young.

          • Zack says:

            Kj young had good hands not sure how many drops he had but it was his first year playing college ball and reports all summer were he had the best hands in the wr group.

          • Bob Barker says:

            It’s all about what you do on Saturdays. He might not have had a ton, but he easily had the most on the team, and with less opportunities. But I agree, it was his first year. He’ll get better.

          • Zack says:

            Quick had a ton of drops too though. I think young will do better as an outside receiver

          • Jhwig says:

            a ton?

          • Zack says:

            I can’t find the dropped stats anywhere but I saw him drop at least 2 passes each game when he saw 4 or more targets.

          • Jhwig says:

            So he dropped approximately 50% of targeted passes? Didn’t happen…

          • Zack says:

            I didn’t say he dropped half his targets. I said if he was targeted at least 4 times in a game then from what I saw he would drop 2. If he had 15 targets I still saw 2 drops.

          • Jhwig says:

            In other words, you have no idea. My point is…he didn’t drop two passes a game.

          • JD says:

            he had a lot of drops…maybe not two a game but def more than one lol when you throw in drops by the number of games he played

          • Zack says:

            I just wish sooner sports kept track of drops but neither does the ncaa. I guess they don’t want to troll the “student” athletes but I think part of the reason he played games 1 and 2 and then missed the next 2 was due to the fact that he couldn’t catch the ball. Same thing with Smallwood. I think both will bounce back but if they kept the stat, I would guess there was a combined 40+ dropped passes this year by receivers.

          • JD says:

            yeah our passing game was out of sync …more so when Shep went down

          • Zack says:

            What I’m saying is no site apparently keeps track of dropped passes but he played 8 games caught passes in 6 of those games. And if the stat was posted out there my guess is he had 8-10 drops last year

          • Jhwig says:

            So now he dropped approximately 1 pass per game?

            I think you’re just guessing and pulling numbers out of thin air at this point…

          • Bob Barker says:

            Yeah, gotta admit I was a little underwhelmed with Quick this year. It’s completely irrational and predicated on how bad we all wanted him since his Soph year. Not his fault. If he was a 2 star everyone would be psyched about his upside.

          • Jhwig says:

            RS Freshman…so second year.

            I love “summer” reports. Always reliable at OU.

          • Zack says:

            First year playing college ball.

          • Jhwig says:

            If you’re a RS freshman, you’ve been on the team for 2 years. Do you mean: “first opportunity to play in games against other opponents”?

            Fact is…he played in several games and had a lot of drops, which is why they started Quick at the end of the year.

          • Zack says:

            First year playing college ball.

            Yes he was not productive but I don’t think anyone outside of shepherd was all that productive and since the coaches are gone I will point the blame at them for the lack of production.
            Neal had about 10 less catches than shepherd for half the yards, just in case someone wants to bring his name up as a productive receiver.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            I like Durron but no he was absolutely not a productive receiver this year.

          • Mysterio1 says:

            I don’t really know if I can ever buy in to a Summer report again?

        • Scott Moore says:

          Speed kills more effectively if you’ve got a QB with a strong and accurate enough arm to get it to them on time deep. Seems like that’s a bigger problem than finding speed.

          • Daryl says:

            Accurate y yes. We have arm strength on campus for sure but not sure how accurate. Though mayfield looked great in spring game and knight did not

          • JD says:

            yep hit some deeps but the majority will be quick outs or crossing patterns with one on one guys making the db miss and grabbing huge chunks of yards

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      The speed of Baylor caused us to play 10 yards off the scrimmage. Baylor put 61 on TCU, 45 on us. OU has had a lack of speed since Stills left. Love it.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    To me, especially in the spread, “size” is the last thing I’d look for in a WR. Sure, getting a WR that is a stud in other areas AND has size is good, but I’d never take a big kid that is lacking in other areas, over a smaller kid that isn’t.

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    135 posts already and its not even noon!

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  • Jason Vos says:

    No.1 guy that will benefit from Lincoln Riley’s offense is Joe Mixon

    • Daddy R says:

      No. 1 Guy that will benefit from not being suspended, Joe Mixon. HA! just playin. true though

    • Jordan Esco says:

      I might argue it’s Baker Mayfield, but I see your point.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        In my mind, the only way this team doesn’t average 45 points will be due to the O line’s inexperience.

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          Easy tiger. That is a pretty lofty expectation. I think we’ll see improvements from last year, but keep in mind, we were 11th in scoring offense last year at about 31 points/game. I’d like to see us get that up to 35, maybe 38 if everything goes right, but I don’t us getting much higher than that.

          • Jhwig says:

            We averaged 36.4 points per game this season.

          • SCSooner87 says:

            I think he’s referring to just the offense.

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            Yep.

          • Jhwig says:

            Total offensive TDs + FGs = 34 points a game if you round up.

            Point: we never had trouble scoring points in general…we had trouble scoring points against good teams/defenses. Also, we have to have better offensive efficiency. Adding 4 more points a game to our average is negligible…if you don’t efficiently score against good teams.

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            I know for a fact I saw something that said we averaged about 31 points per game on offense, and were ranked 11th in the country. But I can’t find that now. Not sure if that were before or after the bowl game, but it was definitely after the OSU game. I’ve talked about that on here, and at other boards. Not sure why ESPN, where I think I got my original data, is different. Maybe they weren’t calculating it right before, and changed their formula. I dunno.

          • SoonerSpock says:

            In 2014 OU scored 473 points in 13 games to finish #20 in the country. That is an average of 36.38 points per game. In the 12 regular season games we scored 467 points to average 38.9 which was #5 in the conference and in the 9 conference games we scored 333 points to average 37.0 points per game which was #3 in the conference.
            I think it would be more realistic to set a goal of 40.0-40.5 for the season which is a little more than a field goal per game. To do so would put the Sooners in the top ten in offensive scoring based on 2014 numbers.

            http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/27

            http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/football/2014OverallStats.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=10410

            http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=979415

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Thanks for those stats. My thought of 40-45 is based on having a more efficient offense, meaning a few less three and outs, interceptions, and running more plays.

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            ESpn 36 a game. Baylor at 48…I don’t think 45 is unreasonable given less three and outs, more plays and a better defense. 40-45.

          • SoonerfanTU says:

            In 2008, with one of the best, fastest, most efficient offenses in college football history, we averaged 51 ppg. That included dropping 60+ points in our last four regular season games.

            I’m sorry, but we are not going to approach 50 ppg next season. It’s just not going to happen. We’d be very, very lucky to get to 40 or just over. And given our schedule (away game at Tenn, a tough D UT team, at KSU), I just don’t see it. 45 ppg would put us in the top 5 of team averages, looking at this season. That would be quite a turn around considering we are installing a new O, breaking in a new Oline, trying to find a QB or make an old QB “work”, and possibly turning over some of our WR group that will be playing.

            Two years from now? Maybe in the upper 40’s if our QB is already on campus. But next year? I just don’t see it.

          • D Hunter Sanchez says:

            Perhaps a little optimistic on my part. But this year we left a lot of points on the field. I don’t care about KST. Last time we played there Knight put 40 on them right? In light of the fact that OSU didn’t miss a beat on offense using three QB’s there is no reason why OU shouldn’t improve on last years 36 a game. Perhaps 45 was a little too optimistic 40 ought to be the average.

      • captfoss says:

        I might argue it’s Vance Bedford… but we’ll see.

      • SavageSoonerEsq says:

        Bob Stoops hopes it’s going to be Bob Stoops.

    • ruasoonerfan2 says:

      Or Mayfield

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Thats what I was thinking. Mixon should be a nightmare coming out of the backfield for passes one on one with a LB

  • Daddy R says:

    Okay, who wants an LB that hits like this!?

    http://youtu.be/89-yq2jlnnc

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Would love to see Mark Andrews in the Flex-TE role next season

  • Sooner born, Sooner bred says:

    This blog is great! Look forward to reading the Brainiacs everyday now. Super K was right on the money about Jim Leavitt and would be awesome linebackers coach for us. As I said before the holidays, I feel like 2015’s gonna be special. We’re playing downhill and just need to keep this momentum going. Coach Montgomery earning every penny. Recruiting is key, and looks like we have a great coach, player’s coach and recruiter in Coach Montgomery. Ring a bell…..just read chapter 6 of Coach Switzer’s new book. Also, still waiting on you to get some 3X shirts for us big guy’s. Boom. Wow…I laughed so hard at Bad lip reading video I was crying. Gotta keep this rolling guy’s….Boomer!

  • captfoss says:

    Note to Big XII Defensive Coordinators – Go ahead and start game planning to jam our receivers at the LOS and completely shut down our entire offense.

    L thnx bai

    • ruasoonerfan2 says:

      Don’t think jamming WR will stop Perine

      • captfoss says:

        If the WRs can’t fight through a jam, it will absolutely stop Perine against a good defense because they’ll be able to load the box…

    • Bob Barker says:

      Hard to jam stacks, motions, slot players, etc. There are many ways to beat press.

      Also, if they whiff on press coverage and we have speed… They’re toast. Go routes all day.

      • captfoss says:

        You’re correct. We can easily go 8-5 again because most other teams have slow DBs.

        • Bob Barker says:

          I’m going to choose to not feed the troll anymore than I already have…

          • captfoss says:

            So anyone who doesn’t bow down to your infinite wisdom and expresses an opinion that differs from yours is a troll? Good to know…

            I’d like to run an offense that doesn’t homogenize position groups, because then you can leverage different things. If all of your WRs are pure speed guys, what do you do against a team that can keep up with your guys? You lose.

          • Bob Barker says:

            Screw it. I’m bored today, I’ll bite.

            You said the opposition would play press coverage against us to “completely shut down our entire offense”. Let me show you why I disagree.

            1. A defense cannot press every potential pass catcher on every play. There are strategies that do not allow press coverage. Stacking WR’s is one. Routes out of the backfield, matchup issues, etc.

            2. Press coverage does not allow for secondary run support. If you’re going to press every WR, we would spread them out and run Perine right over them. It would be hard to stop the run without secondary run help.

            3. Press coverage can leave you vulnerable. If you press across the board, meaning you’re in 0 coverage (straight man-to-man), you are susceptible to being beat over the top. If any of the WR’s beat the press coverage, the DB would need to be faster then the WR to catch up and make a play. If not, a simple go route would beat the coverage.

            4. No one said anything about all of the WR’s being “pure speed” guys. They simply said that faster players would be preferred over slower ones. Speed will be valued more than it has previously. Doesn’t mean they will only recruit track guys that can’t play WR.

            5. You said below that a good defense will be able to load the box and play press coverage at the same time. With the correct offensive alignment, this is impossible. You cannot load the box and press 4 WR’s at the same time.

          • ruasoonerfan2 says:

            Excellent reply

          • captfoss says:

            4) “We’ve been told that the offensive identity going forward at the wide receiver position is, “speed, speed, and more speed…”

            I read that as, our primary concern is getting guys who are fast. We’ll teach them to catch when they get here.

            1-3) You’re essentially picking apart my criticism for being too simplistic, and responding to that is a road that never ends. Football is complicated and there’s nothing I can say that you can’t say “Well, all you have to do about that is…”

            My point is, the less diverse our receiving corpse is, the easier we are to defend…

            5) Press man against 4 wide, you’ve got 7 available to put in the box to go against 5 blockers. If you can cover the 4 receivers and have safeties with run/pass responsibilities, you’ve always got a numbers advantage on defense if your guys make the right reads…

            Which is always true of any defense against any offense if no one messes up or gets beat, I’d just like more options to beat them with than “Sterling, go deep”…

          • Bob Barker says:

            I just disagree with your opinion that playing press coverage against us would “completely shut down our entire offense”. I think my points illustrated why that is false.

            5. 7 in the box is not “loading the box”. Also, you shouldn’t look at it as 7 vs 5 in the box in that scenario. Depending on their front 7 alignment, you could still have numbers advantage at the point of attack even if they had 7 in the box vs your 5.

            I think you’re missing the point of the type of offense that Riley runs. The whole point of it is to make the defense defend more space. More space equals small margin for error for the defense and limits the looks they can give you.

            Fast WR’s put a ton of pressure on the defense. There’s a reason this Offense has been extremely successful over the years.

          • captfoss says:

            How many national championships has that offense won over the years?

          • Bob Barker says:

            How many national championships has any one offense won?

          • captfoss says:

            Depending on the decade/era, one offense won most of them?

            In the past decade, has a team running a spread offense beaten a team in the NCG that wasn’t also running a spread offense?

          • Bob Barker says:

            So you’re saying that spread offenses only win NC’s if they’re playing another spread offense? But spread offenses can’t win NC’s?

          • captfoss says:

            I think *you’re* being the troll now. You know what I’m saying.

            Auburn is the only true pass-first spread offense that has won an NC in the past decade, and they did so by beating THE spread offense in Oregon. And it took a duel-threat QB with an elite NFL arm to do it.

            Urban Meyers team’s have all been spread offenses too, but they’re all predicated on a traditional power run game. I’d rather be that style of spread vs. Leach air raid… Maybe we will be, but that isn’t the message coming out of Norman right now.

            That said, I’ve voiced my opinion to the point that I care to. I respect your opinions, share most of them, disagree with the ceiling of a true pass-first spread, and maintain skeptical of OUs offensive direction.

          • Steve Johns says:

            The only time you’ll see press man and 5-7 in the box is in a little league game. Right now people are speculating, but no one really knows what the offense will look like next year.

        • SoonerSpock says:

          Tennessee, Baylor, KSU and OSU on the road will be a bigger factor than anything if we go 8-5.

    • F1at1ined says:

      You mean like how they all were able to shut down Baylor’s offense last season? Oh wait…

      • captfoss says:

        If by “they” you mean Texas, West Virginia, TCU for the first 3 quarters and Michigan State for the last quarter? Then yes. Just like that…

  • Jordan Esco says:

    Heupel to Utah State now official, update added

  • sooner8 says:

    Congrats Josh!! Hope you have success

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    We need a BOOM

  • Bob Barker says:

    Does anyone know if Derrick Woods is gone forever? I haven’t heard.

  • Mike Reed says:

    If the Patriots win the Super bowl…….

  • Daddy R says:

    Congrats JH! Now we can get back to remembering him this way…

  • Defend Colfax says:

    I really miss the evaluations guys.

  • Daddy R says:

    Its a nice logo they have though…

  • Stephen says:

    Saw on C&C that we’ve made it into the top-3 for Pat Allen. I thought we weren’t really in the picture for this guy. With Tennessee’s 70+ commits in this class you got to believe that it’s us or Georgia.

  • ruasoonerfan2 says:

    CC Machine ‏@CCMachine 33m33 minutes ago
    #Sooners in top 3 for 2015 OG Pat Allen. Down to Tenn, UGA, and Sooners.

  • Mysterio1 says:

    Finally!….Speed and more Speed!

  • Chad says:

    Does anyone know how fast Jefferson is? On film he doesn’t look like a burner, but I always have a hard time judging.

  • Robertson / Robertson 2016 says:

    Referring to the 40 speeds for the OU DL, I’m not sure how I feel about being passed up by 300-pound men. Makes my chances of surviving the zombie apocalypse a little less likely.

  • RBear says:

    Teddy posed a great question for next year: Take the Over or Under on Riley’s Offense averaging 38 points a game next year? (JH averaged 38 last year).

  • Malicong says:

    I know it has been going on a couple of days now, but has anyone else beening reading the A&M boards? The melt down is incredible entertainment.

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    How did we miss Terry Beckner East St. louis. Still uncommitted. Mizzo just now offering scholly. somebody need to let JM know. DE 6’4 300lbs 5*

  • James D-Space says:

    Tom Brady be like…..

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Pat Allen rivals OU n UGA decision time. WoW

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    I think Mr. Buckner is the real deal. Oh10 has depth he’ll be waiting to play. Auburn s trying but owe are closer. I think Mizzo waited to long to offer, maybe all it takes is a phone call who knows. Yet the sooner nation is still excited

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Better UCLA than UT, I suppose.

    • EasTex says:

      Meh, I was actually looking forward to playing Texsa with him on the field. He wouldn’t need to be covered 75% of the time, he breaks up his own receptions.

  • Jason Vos says:

    Punch in the gut to Texas

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Buster thanks did not see that. You know he’s being pressured to make a decision and from what I have I have heard it can get pretty nasty some times. Look at AtM now poor Sullen has made that a mess. So let’s watch this unfold and see what happens. Oklahoma kids better quit slow playing OU it’s amazing 2 recruits from the same school get offered and do not commit, like Dalton did jolly on the spot with excitement. Little did these 2 Barnett and Patterson know that when OU offered that was the time to show your true commitment. Now they are standing outside looking in, their parent’s can’t be happy, and all their friends are talking about them. Not in a good way, they humiliated themselves.

  • Zack says:

    Wow @ newsome. That’s a big surprise. Thought for sure he was a Texas lock

    • Boom says:

      Apparently he doesn’t want Norvell coaching him. Not trying to be mean but there is something going on. Also, UCLA will have a new QB so best of luck to him

  • Cush Creekmont says:

    Saw that Bob is still planning to “in home visit” Newsome on Tuesday, the 27th.

    • Zack says:

      I hope not. We need to move on. Hughes looks like a better athlete imo

      • Jhwig says:

        The other is one of the fastest guys in the state of Texas and actually plays receiver…

        • JD says:

          Hughes is just as fast and can run through tackles

          • Jhwig says:

            You have no idea how fast Hughes is…and you had never heard of the guy less than a month ago. What we do know is that he played QB in HS, he has a decent offer list and he’s got good quicks.

            What we do know about Newsome? He has elite 100 meter speed, he plays WR and is a return specialist. Newsome has been high on OU’s board for a long time, and Newsome’s offer list that is long and impressive.

            I’ll take Newsome at WR over Hughes. I will also take Newsome over Hughes when it comes to straight athleticism.

          • wj says:

            The only site I found that shows their 40 times has them both at a 4.35 so obviously same speed.Just to throw this out there I’ve heard Newsome has struggled with his hands some. Also, last time Riley brought in a qb turning them into a wr he had pretty good results which was Hardy.

          • EasTex says:

            “Struggled with his hands” is one way of putting it. From what I saw of him as a receiver in live action, including the biggest game of the year in the state championship, it appeared to me that he had bricks for hands and they were dipped in lard.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            How fast is Hughes?

            If someone says “Hughes is just as fast” and you respond with “You don’t know that”, then I would expect you to know how fast Hughes can run.

            So, how fast can he run? If you have data about how fast Hughes is then we’d all benefit because he might commit to OU.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Looks like I better grab some popcorn. 🙂

          • Zack says:

            The dude has been disputing every comment I’ve made today. If I said 4 is a multiple of 2 then I’m sure he would teach us all a little arithmetic

          • Zack says:

            Oh don’t worry he’s just throwing out uninformed generalizations. He knows everything

        • Zack says:

          And the one I mentioned makes more plays. Just saying

          • Jhwig says:

            1. I disagree. Watch some film.
            2. Different positions…so hard to compare. Hughes may “make more plays” but he touches the ball every down.

          • Zack says:

            Shocking. You disagree

          • Jhwig says:

            What happens when you throw out uninformed generalizations…

          • Boom says:

            I agree Newsome has elite speed and is a good WR. However, he doesn’t want anything we are selling so we should just wish him well. Go after Hughes who has a lot of upside.

          • Jhwig says:

            I don’t disagree that OU may have a better shot at Hughes. But Hughest “a better athlete” than Newsome…I don’t agree at all

          • Boom says:

            What I will say is playing QB puts ten times the pressure on a kid than a WR. That said, I would love to have an athletic kid who’s used to playing under pressure and is considered a leader.
            Also, I saw the film too and he’s a special talent. We as fans don’t get to see all the athletes across the country so we missed on Hughes until Riley. I trust Riley knows a thing or two about WRs.

          • Zack says:

            I’m not sure what you’re talking about…I said “better athlete imo” which sets it up that it’s opinion not fact. And if you still have a hard on about michah quick anyone who actually watched the games this season knows he dropped too many passes yet the fact I can’t find that stat doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

        • EasTex says:

          …and has lard covered bricks for hands.

      • Daryl says:

        I agree Bob needs to be in the home of some LBs pronto or needs to be looking for a new LB coach pronto

    • EasTex says:

      I am not a Newsome fan, the times I saw him play he dropped more passes than he caught.
      I merrily wish him good luck.

  • Steven Sherrill says:

    Jordan, K, or somebody in the know. Another site has all kinds of crazy rumor out there about Patterson. Is there more that’s happening here behind the scenes??

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Like?

    • Jordan Esco says:

      He wanted to commit, OU wanted him to hold off. Stephens committed, OU re-evaluated where they were #’s wise and felt comfortable w/ the guys they had. It’s unfortunate for Patterson, obviously, as OU was clearly where he wanted to go.

      If there’s any more to it than that, I’m not exactly sure how relevant it is to what happened. As I understand things, it might not necessarily be a 100% done deal that OU has moved on, but Patterson may make that decision for them what w/ things getting very late in the recruiting process.

      • Jordan Esco says:

        I will say that whatever did or did not happen, both w/ Patterson and Jalin Barnett for that matter, the OU staff needs to make sure they’re in good standing w/ the coaches at Lawton. No sense in burning a bridge w/ that quality in-state program.

        • Steven Sherrill says:

          No doubt about that.

        • rphokc says:

          barnett made his own bed and I don’t quite understand the deal with patterson……..on os read something about the ncaa and getting act scores flagged….perhaps it will come to light

      • Steven Sherrill says:

        Thanks for the info Jordan. I guess with him being an OK kid makes for more news than if he was “just another recruit”.

    • BoomerDave says:

      Also, FWIW, I understand that there may be problems with his latest ACT score. Apparently, his score suddenly jumped significantly which will most likely “red flag” it for the NCAA. if so, they could require him to re-take it under more closely monitored circumstances. I think OU didn’t want to deal with a possible non-qualifier in the end.

  • ruasoonerfan2 says:

    ESPN just released top 100 college players. Perine # 36, Striker # 86, Shepard # 91. Full of crap as usual.

    • Jed says:

      What shocks me is that we placed anyone in the top 88. I thought those were reserved for ‘Bama’s roster.

  • Robertson / Robertson 2016 says:

    It’s my Friday. It’s my weekend.

    Open Post – On.
    Pants – Off.

  • Jason Brunken says:

    Utah State’s new offense.

  • rphokc says:

    …..kindof embarrassing for norvell with newsome………can’t get him to ou or ut on his first swing there…….

  • Sooner Ray says:

    It’s Friday, beer is flowing nicely, my crimson 4×4 is washed and shining bright and we’ve got nothing big to cheer about this evening. I’ll be here waiting.

  • Cush Creekmont says:

    Shame Caleb can’t graduate waaaaay early for 2015…

  • JB says:

    Getting Caleb Kelly would be huge. We need that California talent!

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Umm wasn’t Josh Smith supposed to visit this weekend? Apparently Hale is saying now it’s next weekend.

    No bueno.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Isnt he supposed to be visiting Oregon next weekend?
      Im guessing one of us is eliminated

      • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

        That’s my thinking also. Not a good sign

        • JSam says:

          Bad news for Phil Knight.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            To me it sounds more like bad news for OU

          • JSam says:

            Maybe I read Brick’s OP wrong. He was going to visit OU this weekend and visit Oregon next weekend. Now he may be visiting OU next weekend… which would mean he is NOT visiting Oregon next weekend…

          • Fear The Magic says:

            It reads like that but I dont think this is the first time that hes cancelled a trip to OU ( I could be wrong ) so it kind of makes me wonder if its just not going to happen. We’ve seen that before with recruits.
            That being said I hope I’m wrong. I think Josh is our #1 most important recruit on the board.

          • EasTex says:

            I really like what I’ve seen and heard of him, but I would only be crestfallen if we don’t get McGuinness.

          • JSam says:

            I see now. I was reading that he had rescheduled on TOP of the Oregon visit. Well, I would love to have Smith here. Bright kid. Highly rated LB. Having NO visitors in this weekend looks poor. But at this point, they would be grasping at straws it seems.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Kished?

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Did he just swap travel plans? If he still comes next weekend, that may not be the worst that could happen. If he cancelled us completely….yeah it’s over.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Dude has already lived the best part of his life. Won’t be around long.

    • EasTex says:

      I predicted last year he would be broke and in prison within ten years. Since he moved his finger from the button labeled “fatal case of the dumb-a**” to the “self-destruct” button I may have underestimated his buffoonery.

  • Lincoln Hawk says:

    Is it normal to be this close to signing day and not have any official visitors? Seems odd to me

  • Doobie74OU says:

    Wish that Caleb Kelly would pull the trigger! It would start making people feel better at LB right now. Got Shannon added back to the mix this year and Deberry to go along with Alexander, Evans, Evans.

  • Jonathan Taylor says:

    They better get something at LB or Kish should be out. If you can’t recruit a position of need then he needs to go. Hell the only LB in this class is thanks to Monty.

  • Jordan Esco says:

    If the visit isn’t in fact rescheduled, this would be a massive, massive failure on OU’s part, IMO.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      OU’s or an unnamed coach/recruiter?

    • Stephen says:

      Is it time?

    • BoomerDave says:

      Once again Jordan, you over-react. I’m not sure it could be considered a massive, massive failure to fail to get a kid who has been committed for a very long time to a great school like Vandy to flip his commitment. It’s always a long shot to get a player to de-commit and flip. Especially a kid who has a brother playing there and it is a school in his back yard. Massive, massive failure is pure hyperbole!

      • SoonerCindy says:

        I think you are correct BoomerDave. I also think that the over reacting has lead to a decline in the tone of the website.

      • Jordan Esco says:

        Arguably the No. 1 target remaining on your board at a massive position of need and you’re a program like OU who now apparently can’t flip a kid committed to Vanderbilt?

        Kids flip/decommit all the time, so your comment about it being a “long shot” is no less ridiculous than you considered mine to be.

        You’re right, everything is totally fine. What was I thinking.

  • james babcock says:

    Please can anyone tell me why is kish still are linebacker coach he hasn’t recruited anybody he even mest up the Dwayne Thomas recruitment when is this loser going to be fired.

  • blaster1371 says:

    Keeps coming across that OU just isn’t a school he wants to see. It gets worked in then falls out. What’s he doing instead?

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Sounds like we need to let Arthur “hulk” McGinnis know just how important he is.

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    So is everyone agreed that most likely only one LB will be taken in this class? What percent chance do we have at McGinnis or Smith?

    • Jeremy Phillips says:

      Depends on whether Smith reschedules or not..

    • james babcock says:

      We better pray we get any linebacker i just don’t understand why they waited so long to offer Dwayne Thomas.

      • BoomerDave says:

        So you just want another LB regardless of quality? Why, pray tell?

        • james babcock says:

          Because we need linebackers .

          • BoomerDave says:

            LOL. We have 10 at this time not counting Thomas or Byrd who may likely make the move, We will play 4 or 5 of them. Next year it will be a priority. This year, not so much. That is why we were only planning to take 2, 3 tops in this class.

  • Brad Warren says:

    We’re doing well in recruiting, especially of late and now the sky is falling bc Smith is rescheduling? Smh.

    • james babcock says:

      We have one linebacker committed in are most important position of need and we are doing great?

      • BoomerDave says:

        Get real! Word from the beginning was that we would most likely only take 2 LB’s in this class, or 3 max if 3 studs wanted to come. It’s a position of great need in the eyes of uninformed fans, not the coaches.

        • james babcock says:

          We have 10 linebackers on scholarship lest than any major program in the country and we where only going to sign two or three linebackers get real man.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            With all due respect james, even if we had 50 LB’s, we or any other team can only start 2,3 or 4 of them. It’s not a big problem right now.

          • james babcock says:

            What am i missing we played horrible defense this year clemson put 40 point’d on us it could have been 60 and that’s not a problem ?

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Yes giving up a lot of points is a problem but it wasn’t all on the LB’s last year, it won’t be this year either.

          • ccmosaic says:

            My goodness how can you all say this is not a big deal? Depth is very important. We need to not have to rely on Freshmen every other year. Depth is also important in getting the best out of the 1st team. Depth, depth, depth. I wish we had so much depth that most LBs don’t see the playing field until they are juniors.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            I agree that depth at every position is ideal, It’s just obvious at this point that we have what we have at LB and there’s no point going full blown panic right now. I think it will work out somehow.

          • BoomerDave says:

            Less than any major program in the country?? LMAO!!

          • james babcock says:

            What other major program has fewer linebackers name one.

          • ccmosaic says:

            We have 10 in a 3/4 system. Georgia – 17, Alabama 13, Stanford – 17. Texas has five in this class and Texas A&M have 5 in this class. Yes we need more than 1 or 2 we needed at least three this class.

          • boomersooner says:

            comparisons to a whole conference that over signs is pointless. they get rid of excess baggage every year. they should get with the program and have to wear a mistake in recruiting for 4 or 5 yrs just like everybody else. otherwise their numbers are gonna be skewed every single yr making the comparisons apples to toilet paper

      • Perry Dickey says:

        OUR most important position of need is linebacker? Over and over and over the linebackers would make the tackle and then a safety would come walking up from, oh? O’Connell’s?

    • SoonerBred says:

      Latest info out there is Josh Smith will be visiting Oregon next weekend, no longer considering OU.

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Soonerscoop says Smith is no longer considering OU. Major bummer.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Makes one wonder if they would have gotten rid of Kish and replaced him with a “Name” LB recruiter when they axed Heupe and Novell if things might have been different.

      • EasTex says:

        Smith and his dad said they liked Kish, maybe they came here and saw all the negative comments about Kish and decided they wanted nothing to do with it.
        Since we can only speculate.

        • Fear The Magic says:

          No doubt Kish is a very likeable guy but that doesnt mean he can sell the product.
          Guess we’ll never know.

          • EasTex says:

            All we can do is speculate and doing so about what goes on in a 17/18 year old mind is not something I care to get worked up over.
            I also find the constant ragging on Kish tiresome and unproductive.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            Its the off season and thus mandatory to rag on something. Thats the nature of the fan. Kish has zero recruits…hes won the most likely to be ragged on award obviously.

          • EasTex says:

            It’s not my nature. My nature is to support my Sooners irrespective of what is happening, that includes all coaches and players, and all of them are subject to criticism, but the incessant whiny ragging on Kish is uncalled for.

          • Steve Johns says:

            That’s the downside of social media. 1-2 people think they have it all figured out like who to put the blame on and soon it becomes fact to hundreds.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            I support the Sooners as much as anyone on here Im sure and believe me Im not one to look to criticize when its not warranted, but its precisely the fact that I DO support the Sooners that when I see a problem that can be fixed I’ll always state my case on it.

          • EasTex says:

            And I encourage you to do so.
            All the bile, snark and sneer all day-every day directed at Kish just sounds like mindless group think.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            I get the “mindless group think” comment and understand where you’re coming from but for the most part I don’t see most of the posters here as having a “sheep mentality”. I think most of the Kish complainers are just looking at the facts and the big fact is a whole year to recruit and not one commitment. Thats just unacceptable to many individuals on here.

          • EasTex says:

            You stated that clearly and succinctly, and I agree.

          • Fear The Magic says:

            ok then we can agree to agree on this one lol

          • EasTex says:

            Absolutely, but being a whiny beeotch is not something I ever want to be or find acceptable

          • Fear The Magic says:

            ditto

          • Perry Dickey says:

            Not my nature at all. I come to this site multiple times everready day to fix a need. A need for information. Having to shovel through endless Monday morning quarterbacking is tiresome and irrelevant. If you participate in a game thread these same hacks will whine and moan and postulate their genius one minute and cheer the success of the very scheme they were grinding up the next. As I’ve said before, if we pass we should have ran and if we ran we should have passed. I know stuff!

          • Lincoln Hawk says:

            I find Bob Stoops not addressing the problem tiresome and unproductive…just my opinion though

          • Fear The Magic says:

            I have a feeling thats about to change shortly

          • EasTex says:

            I had a feeling like that once, but it was only gas. 🙂

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Beware of the shart!

          • Fear The Magic says:

            lol and you took a TUMS and that shorty changed…no?

          • EasTex says:

            LOL.
            A good strong cup of Joe took care of it.

          • EasTex says:

            But do we really know he isn’t? To say he is or isn’t is pure speculation.

          • Lincoln Hawk says:

            But why do it on offense and not on defense? It’s obvious the defense was a bigger problem. Get a new guys/guys in and let them get after it

          • EasTex says:

            I can’t give a definitive answer, only speculation.
            I believe Bob wanted to help Jay and Josh find a landing place.
            Also, with regards to the defense, BJW has/was encouraged to retire, then his brother was made a co-DC(something of a demotion). I think there will be further changes, but I can understand why Bob might not want to make wholesale changes on both sides of the ball before NSD.

          • Lincoln Hawk says:

            Yeah I think there will be changes as well, and obviously we aren’t privy to all of the facts but it’s just my humble opinion that we may have had better chances with a new coach/coaches, especially if they are younger and/or NFL experienced type.

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

            Isn’t that what most of these messages are? Speculation? I understand the “incessant whiny ragging on Kish” gets old. But I don’t think people should shut up about it. Being a bit more respectful? Sure. But we are all here to opine and speculate.

          • EasTex says:

            I have no problem with people stating their opinions, I will listen patiently whether I agree or not.
            It’s all the “creative” snarks expressing the same thing ad infinitum that is so tiresome.

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

            Haha! Yeah, that “creative” stuff…just trying to keep dirty jeans fresh!

        • Tucker says:

          I see what you did there

        • ToatsMcGoats says:

          Ha! I don’t know about that…but if he makes his decisions based on message board comments, well…

          • EasTex says:

            Well, we have proof that some kids and their families have visited here.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            If families are visiting here, I should have a disclaimer at the top of the page. 🙂

          • EasTex says:

            Gonna wave that freak flag high, are we?

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

            Oh, they do visit, I know. I’m just saying that what is said here isn’t any different than any other place. The kids around him aren’t all OU fans. The people around him can’t be ignorant to the fact that Kish probably isn’t the best coach on staff. I think I’ll keep up with voicing my opinions on Kish until I feel that they are remedied.

          • EasTex says:

            Suit yourself.
            I want him replaced, too, but it’s not my job and if what is said on a forum has no effect on players and their families, then it surely has no effect on the decision makers, either.

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

            I get it. I know the Kish ripping is getting redundant (like a year ago), but…To be honest, NOTHING we say on here makes a difference to anyone that matters (read recruits, coaches, donors). I know it’s old. Stifling public opinion is not the way to go, however.

            I also wanted to add that I honestly respect your opinion, EasTex. I’m not trying to be an ass, no matter how it may be coming across..;-)

          • Sooner Ray says:

            I’m going to start calling you castorToats BloodredMcGoats! 🙂

          • EasTex says:

            ^This^ guy, I swear.

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

          • EasTex says:

            Didn’t take it that way and didn’t want anyone to think I was, either.
            All is coolness. 😀

            I’m not interested in stifling anyone as long as they have a cogent and valid opinion, it’s the repetitive bashing that I find so toxic. It creates an unhealthy environment for open discourse.

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

            Agreed.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      It sucks but our LB position is pretty set for the next two years, without major injuries of course. Next year will be much more critical for bringing in stud backers.

  • McAttack says:

    He got Kished

  • james babcock says:

    I will make this prediction now tim kish will be fired after National Signing Day he didn’t recruit or sign a single linebacker.

  • sooner8 says:

    My guess is Kishy is gone after NSD and these recruits know we don”t have a LB coach in place!! That one is square on B.Stoops!!

  • Soonerboyz says:

    As we always say in our LB recruiting./. …Next!

  • sooner8 says:

    The longer B.Stoops prolongs the hiring of a LB,DB,& WR coach the more recruits are mystified about who the coaches will be.Bob told us all that he had the resources to hire anyone then just freakin do it !!! Go Sooners!!!

    • ToatsMcGoats says:

      I’m impatient as well. But I think Bob knows that these hires are probably the most important of his career…this is why we wait.

    • EasTex says:

      Patience!
      I think he has his new coaches lined up, but to announce before NSD could jeopardize their current status and the commits to their current schools.

      • JD says:

        if we hired a backer coach we would be better served to announce it asap…not like we would lose any current recruits and might finish strong w a big name hire…same for db…they already know that there will be a new coach since BJW has retired…I could see the delay if Mike were leaving though

        • Steve Johns says:

          He’s talking about the new coach and commits where he is now, not OU.

          • JD says:

            I don’t see why we need to worry about that unless the coaches made some kind of agreement that they wouldn’t announce until after NSD..then yea I see the point

          • Steve Johns says:

            It’s called professional courtesy.

          • JD says:

            lol is that what they call it…wasn’t very professional for East Carolina was it

          • Steve Johns says:

            You’re missing the point, I was talking about a potential future hire not wanting it to be made public before NSD.

          • JD says:

            I guess Riley didn’t care…so it just depends on the hire and who he formally worked for

          • Steve Johns says:

            The short answer is yes.

          • EasTex says:

            When Bob called Ruff to see if he could interview Riley, Ruff started a sales pitch about Riley. Bob had to cut Ruff off and tell him he was already a buyer.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Probably came down to the talk with Riley and their head coach. Riley probably wanted to get on with it, and the head man over there didn’t stand in his way. Varies from circumstance to circumstance.

          • ToatsMcGoats says:

            I’m sorry…I am not familiar with that term…

          • EasTex says:

            There could even be clauses/time lines in their current contracts that would cost a bunch of money if they violated it.

      • eastoksooner says:

        You know I’m not a patient man Tex. Ready for some fires and some hires.

    • BoomerDave says:

      What makes people think we are getting a new LB coach? I’d say only about a 25% chance of that, if that high.

      • Jonathan Taylor says:

        It really depends if they can land at least 2 more LBs in this class. I’m not holding my breath though. If they don’t get at least 2 more, with Kish as the recruiter, then he needs to go hands down.

        • BoomerDave says:

          Problem is, you don’t make that decision. Bob does, and I seriously doubt if it happens. If he’s a great LB coach as Bob and many other say he is, then keep him. Let Monty recruit the position. Most staffs have some coaches who are not great recruiters. Switzer’s staff had a handful of great recruiters and others like Gibbs and Gaylon Hall who could coach and not recruit. Others take up the slack.

          • Kody K. says:

            If I was a coach recruiting and I could not make a connection or build a rapport with an athlete I wanted, I would certainly turn that recruit over to another coach. The staff should play as a team too.

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Louis Brown? Does he fit OU? Pro’s n Con’s

  • Sooner Ray says:

    The OU woman’s gymnastics team is looking strong, well recruited and executing at a high level. :-0 🙂 :-/

    • JD says:

      what’s the avg star ranking and who offered..that’s all that matters

      • Sooner Ray says:

        Can’t make out the stars through all the glitter on the uniforms but did notice they had a freshman in only her third meet setting records tonight with some perfect 10’s. I think that’s pretty good given my limited experience with the sport.

  • Soonerboyz says:

    .LB Recruiting:(

  • boomersooner says:

    so i get watergate. its a hotel in dc and whatnot. the freaking name of the thing is watergate hotel. why the double hockey sticks does the media think its so smart and cute that now every scandal ever since that day has to have “gate” thrown on the end of it? does anybody else find this one of the dumbest things they’ve ever heard? or at least up there? am i all alone here?

    • JD says:

      “gate” seems to work well with topic at hand (the scandal) since it’s define as an opening or entrance..etc…so the word really come to define the opening of a controversy or scandal I suppose…any of this make sense lol it is friday night

      • boomersooner says:

        sure if you’re talking about the start of it or whatever. but to make the whole thing something-“gate” is played out. they even look back on it and call it “spygate” or “we peeked in on the cheerleaders gate” i mean watergate was ’72. i mean, these people are supposed to be the best with words and stuff. they went to college for it and the best they can do is make something a word and use it incessantly for the last 42 1/2 yrs? how bout “tiredgate” or “unclegate”?

        • EasTex says:

          But never Benghazi-gate.

          • JJSoona says:

            Its very apparent we need some football or news or some dang thing!!

          • boomersooner says:

            well what’s your take on it there mister smarty pants? 🙂

          • JJSoona says:

            Hmmm that I don’t know a dang thing:-)

          • EasTex says:

            Yes we do…we really, really do.

          • boomersooner says:

            thanks for playing along everybody. this looks like the end of it so thanks for the laughs

          • EasTex says:

            That’s it, I’m going baaack on the grid!

          • Sooner Ray says:

            This is exactly why we need a gun thread!

          • EasTex says:

            I ever tell you about the guns I have that belonged to my Papaw?

          • ColoradoSooner says:

            Share!

          • Sooner Ray says:

            No you haven’t, I started this thread so feel free. 🙂

          • EasTex says:

            I have his old Remington Model 11, which is the same shotgun as the Browning Auto-5. It was his everything gun, used it for upland birds, water fowl and deer hunting. It is a 1923 model that hasn’t been fired since the early 60’s and it never will be again. I look at it, hold it, I can remember that big rascal with the squishiest heart in the world.
            Then there is his S&W Model 10 Police revolver.
            It was produced in the 1910’s and hasn’t been fired since the 50’s and never will again. During the Depression they turned the front of their farm house into a country store just to make some cash, as cash was hard to come by since they weren’t printing any. He kept his .38 under the counter.
            They kept the store open late, til about 9p.m., it was on U.S. Hwy 80 about 20 miles East of Shreveport and on the evening of 22 May 34 he saw a car pull off the highway to the store, but they didn’t stop in front, but beside a big Magnolia tree. He started to go out to see who it was when a man and a woman with a shotgun came walking up. He recognized instantly who it was, Bonnie and Clyde. They ordered some Bar-B-Que sandwiches, he put the order in to my grandmother while Clyde watched him and she watched the highway.
            The sandwiches came out, they paid and left. My grandfather said he never thought for a moment about grabbing his .38.
            The next day the news came over the radio that the two bandits had been killed about 15 miles away in Gibsland. My Pappaw swore up and down that they bought their last meal at his country store.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            That’s cool Tex. I also have some Grandfather hand downs that are very similar. I have a Remington Model 11 made on the Browning Pat. that looks very much like your pic. My Papa was a lawman out in California and I have his service revolvers, a Colt .38 Detective special and Colt .38 Police Positive special. They looked similar to the pic of the S&W.

          • EasTex says:

            The Model 11 is the same as the Auto-5, the first successful semi-auto shotgun built. John Moses Browning is an American Hero and a self-taught genius gun designer.
            I loved that old rascal, and cherish his memory by keeping his guns well cared for.
            My grandmother on the other side left me her Model 5 S&W Detective Special. I was about 13 and provided her with counsel when she decided to arm herself.

          • JD says:

            That’s a great story

          • EasTex says:

            I heard him tell that story a few hundred times and it never varied, and I never got tired of hearing him tell the story.

          • ColoradoSooner says:

            Very cool.

          • boomersooner says:

            man now you guys wanna shoot me on the internet. that’s messed up too 🙂

          • EasTex says:

            You automatically equate a gun with somebody getting shot?
            /that’s it…..

          • boomersooner says:

            now you’re back on the grid?

          • EasTex says:

            …not yet…

          • JD says:

            In OK can you get a CC for multiple guns or just one…sometimes I just like the revolver

          • Sooner Ray says:

            That’s why I tested with an auto, I can carry according to my mood.

          • EasTex says:

            Same here in Texas, if you qualify with a semi-auto, you can carry that or a revolver. You qualify with a revolver, that’s all you are allowed to carry.
            I love a good wheel gun.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Same as Okla.

          • JD says:

            just to be clear, you can carry on your hip without a license right…as long as it isn’t concealed

          • Sooner Ray says:

            In Ok, you can carry concealed or not as long as you are licensed. If you are not, you can only transport unloaded.

          • JD says:

            I gotcha…thats why dad always kept the clip right next to the gun in the case…we license you can be loaded…one in the hole too I assume (although not safe)

          • Sooner Ray says:

            If you have the permit you can carry hot, concealed or open. No permit, better be unloaded.

          • JD says:

            Thank Ray

          • EasTex says:

            Clip? CLIP?
            /slowly I turn…step by step

          • blaster1371 says:

            Think he means magazine?

          • EasTex says:

            I think he means a mag but doesn’t fully understand a clip is not a magazine.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            clip, clip, clip.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Heh, heh, heh. They’re all slowly coming over to my side. You’ve been defeated.

          • EasTex says:

            LOL.
            No, just means I have more work to do.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            It’s over; I’ve won. 8>)

          • EasTex says:

            Ain’t over as long as I’m breathing.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Guns are as safe as the person using/carrying them is prepared and trained. I have no issues with traveling HOT or being around people I know doing the same. Do I think everyone should? HELL NO!

          • JD says:

            Ok so I can use my semiauto for the test and still carry a revolver too…I thought the license had to link with the serial#…I haven’t done it yet but was curious…cause I like the 6 shooter but would like both options……my question button is broke..sorry for the confusion

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Are you Ok. or Tx.?

          • EasTex says:

            I don’t know about OK, but that’s the way we do it in Texas. No firearm serial #’s on our CHL.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Test with the semiauto and you are covered for anything. They don’t care about serial numbers, it’s none of their business what you own or carry.

          • blaster1371 says:

            WHAT????!!!!???? CA has y’all beat on this. If you get a CCW permit you carry any pistoli listed on your permit. Semi auto, revolver, flintlock (I guess). I have seven handguns listed on it Just got back from dinner and was toting my S and W .38 special. Sweet little five shooter.

          • EasTex says:

            Uhhh. I don’t have to show what kind of guns I have on my CHL and I have handguns with 50round mags, can’t have those in Cali.

          • blaster1371 says:

            Marksmanship and fire discipline are points of training; no 50 round mags necessary. 😉

          • EasTex says:

            Then there are times when you need firepower to suppress fire and maneuver.

          • blaster1371 says:

            Do you live in Beruit?

          • EasTex says:

            The way things are going, it’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. 🙂

          • blaster1371 says:

            Comes to a fire fight that’s what the M16 is for…….. And the M-1 for those who wish to run and want to just die tired.

          • EasTex says:

            Handguns are for giving you time to get to your long guns.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            What if you just want to make someone dance? With only 10 rounds, the entertainment value decreases rapidly.

          • blaster1371 says:

            Dance monkey dance… I say DANCE!

          • Sooner Ray says:

            We are not beat. We don’t have to disclose any gun we own or carry and people from Cali call out here asking for us to send high capacity mags they aren’t allowed to purchase.

          • blaster1371 says:

            We can have 10 rounds. Anymore than that pulls your britches down. Sounded like you guys had to have one permit for a revolver and another for a semi.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            No, the way they set up the law was if you test with a revolver, you can only carry a revolver. If you test with an auto, you can carry anything.

          • EasTex says:

            No, if we qualify with a semi-auto we can carry a semi or a wheel gun. Qualify with a wheel gun, you can only carry a wheel gun.

        • JD says:

          When you look into something you are entering a gate into that subject

          • boomersooner says:

            so they entered the gate of watergate hotel? and what about the part of after its over? do you look back thru the opposite side of the gate? i promise i’m not drunk, just bored and watching mr deeds 🙂

          • JD says:

            I’m done

          • boomersooner says:

            cause i’m not drunk? that’s messed up 🙂

          • JD says:

            lol that hasn’t nothing to do with it…if you can’t understand what I’m talking about then I can’t (don’t want to) continue explaining it

          • boomersooner says:

            oh i get. you enter thru the gate and do the thing with the stuff. but why not “hangingchaddoor” or to steal eastex’s “benghaziwindow” or something entirely different like “wardrobemalfunctionthing”

    • EasTex says:

      That’s it, I’m going o000ff the grid.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      The current day media has zero originality.

      • boomersooner says:

        amen to that. but how/why do you get a degree in journalism? it seems like its just a piece of paper to wipe your hind parts on. listening to some of these blowhards is like coming on here sometimes. a lot of hot air with no point which kinda makes this discussion fit right in 🙂

        • EasTex says:

          Journalism degrees are proof they have been properly indoctrinated, not educated.

          • boomersooner says:

            gotcha. so you’re saying that once you’ve mastered the company line, you’ve got your piece of paper

          • EasTex says:

            Once you have demonstrated you are not a critical thinker and are so open minded that your grey matter has fallen out, you get the parchment.

    • Mizuno44 says:

      There wouldn’t even of been a Watergate if not for Forrest Gump

    • JJSoona says:

      Some of the finest looking women on earth have passed through those doors or gate or whatever.

    • Clint Lenard says:

      Journalism = Alcoholism
      Alcoholic = [enter word]aholic

      • boomersooner says:

        yeah but the “aholic” means addicted to something. they invented this stupid thing to be cute or whatever instead of coming up with something original they just said “well, watergate was bad, so now everything gets a ‘gate’ to go along with it”. seems kinda douchey to me

        • Clint Lenard says:

          -Gate is the same thing as -aholic. People started using it as a reference to someone who is addicted to something, but it was just taken from alcoholic and thrown onto every other addiction. Anything using aholic in reference to an addiction, that is not alcohol based, is not used in real life by professionals.

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    I just saw this on the OU FANS UNITE facebook page:

    “The Super Bowl will have no 5 star recruits starting. But will feature 20 starters with a 2 star or lower rating. Stars don’t determine you!”

    Not sure if it’s true…but if it is, that’s pretty fantastic.

    • Clint Lenard says:

      Probably true. Russell Wilson was a 2 star and Richard Sherman was a 3 star.

    • JD says:

      Tell me something I don’t know lol…pumpers been saying that forever…media started giving stars and some fans thought the media guys were better evaluators than actual coaches lol..talk about hook line and sinker

  • Mizuno44 says:

    Pardon me TFB, where the heck is Denzel Washington?

  • SamSooner says:

    Well, folks, time to call it a night. Been following today but not commenting.
    As for the LB situation, this is where we are. Keep moving forward.
    This is still a more than solid class of recruits.

  • SavageSoonerEsq says:

    “But for now it would appear OU will be hosting nobody on one of just two remaining crucial recruiting weekends.”
    Son of a biscuit eating BULLDOG!!!

  • Jeff says:

    OU can host me!

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    Can we get a TFB “X’s n O’s” article on our defensive personnel.. & how it might fit into a 4/3 or 4/2/5 versus the current 3/4 …?

  • MoJoOkie says:

    I’m not feeling the prospects for Smith were all that great anyway. Not defeatist, just realist.

  • SamSooner says:

    I understand the frustration with not getting all of the LBs we needed in this class. But don’t let that overshadow the fact that we got the best LB in the country, DeBerry. Another thing, this is a sweet recruiting class, overall. We have some top notch recruits coming to OU. I’m happy about that. The coaches have done a great job.

    Montgomery, Gundy, Riley, Bob are still at it. And smiling, too. They haven’t given up. That’s all you can ask for.

    What will you think of this team, these coaches, when they are successful despite the challenges they will overcome at the LB position.

    It’s not over yet.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      We’ve got enough quality to get through the season, but next recruiting cycle will need to be gangbusters with LBs. I’ve got faith, and a 3-4 can look a lot like a 5-2 with bigger outside guys.

      • SamSooner says:

        Yeah, agreed. It’s not as bad as it looks. Wheeler was just unfortunate. Bad luck with the pressure from his parents to go to texsa.

        • EasTex says:

          I watched him with interest in the state playoffs since he was an OU offer. I was very disappointed with what I saw. He didn’t hustle, wouldn’t run to the ball regardless where it was on the field, he just stayed in his area and was mostly a spectator. Further, he was not an emotional leader which, IMO, is the very thing a Senior stud MLB should be for a defense.
          Kid looks great in a uniform and looks the part, but his heart/motor always seemed set on idle.
          I may be alone in this, but it didn’t bother me one bit when he chose Texsa.

          • blaster1371 says:

            I agree. Looked like he had heavy feet. Very passive, didn’t attack the ball.

          • EasTex says:

            Based on his ********** rating and all the praise I was totally underwhelmed.
            Maybe someone will be able to find his “on” button, but I don’t think he is mentally inclined to be a MLB.

          • blaster1371 says:

            I agree. That is what I liked about Thomas…. Guy was a missile and just whacked people like it was personal. I’m all for playing under control and being a good sport and all but a linebacker has to, MUST have a high level of kick ass in his demeanor. Jordan Evans has that . I have yet to see Dom Alexander exhibit any of that.

        • MoJoOkie says:

          Yeah, I’d have liked Smith too. Just pointing out that we won’t roll over and die with what we’ve got. Our situation will look better in the next cycle, so we should be able to pick up some high quality boys that want to get in quick. The one caveat is that LB usually requires a little seasoning with schemes and all. Heving said all that, we’ll be fine.

    • EasTex says:

      You are correct and to add to what you have said, signing day is still 12 days away. Things change.

      • SamSooner says:

        All the time. EasTex, on a side note, I want you to know I really appreciate your comments. Your level-headed , well thought out comments, provide a much needed balance that help most of us find our center. Thanks!

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Josh Smith welcome to Sooner Nation. It’s obvious Mr. Smith can’t be 2 places at once. He rescheduled smart move now he doesn’t have to fly to Oregon it’s freezing up there now. I look at this is a good thing. We always get a surprise on NSD. Recruit’s are seeing playing time here. Plus you have to believe Mr. Deberry is making pH call’s aomebody wants to play with him.

    • Jeremy Phillips says:

      you’re saying he cancelled his Oregon visit… or you’re hoping he cancelled it..?

      • SamSooner says:

        You do realize your comment was number 777 for this post, correct? That’s a good sign.

      • EasTex says:

        Last night Rivals showed he had an official for OU on 1-23-15 but not one for UO.
        Today they show he has no official for either school. Could mean almost anything, including he might be sticking with his commitment to Vandy.

        • Jeremy Phillips says:

          I agree, i felt when he cancelled last week to go back to Vandy that that’d be the end of it..

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Let’s wait and see has anybody checked Oregon’s board. What does their lb situation look like. Let’s do our home work before we get all debbied okay.

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Thank You Jesus for bending your ear to hear our cry in Jesus name Amen

  • BoomerDave says:

    All of this whining and crying by (supposedly) grown men on here about Kish is getting really old. I’m afraid that many of you will have a complete mental breakdown when you learn in the end that Stoops retains Kish. By all accounts, Bob thinks that Kish is a great LB coach as do many others close to the program. Is he a great recruiter? Heck no he’s not! But that is not reason alone to fire him if he is, in fact, a good coach. Most staffs have guys who can coach only and others who can recruit. Most close to the program will tell you that Monty is a much better recruiter than he is a coach. So let Monty recruit the LB’s as well as the DL’s next year. That’s what he is great at. Kish can do his part as well as their prospective position coach, but let Monty take the lead and let him close the deal. Switzer’s great recruiting was done by a handful of coaches, mainly Scott Hill, Charlie North, Bobby Procter and the King himself. Gibbs and Hall were ineffective recruiters by all accounts, but they were outstanding coaches. Sometimes you need guys who just plain coach up kids, like the entire KSU staff. If you can get a great coach and great recruiter both, like we have in Bebenbaugh and Gundy, then that’s icing on the cake.

    • Boom says:

      You know Charlie North?

    • Stephen Dale says:

      and besides, OU’s linebacker recruiting woes are traceable back to Mike Stoops rather than Kish. It was Mike who infamously removed LBs from the OU defense in 2013 and no doubt that singular decision is being used by all D-1 programs to negative recruit against OU in the battle for quality Lbs……over 20 LB offers and only 1 taker so far………..OU defenses are going to have to showcase LB play before national HS guys will become interested again …maybe this problem can be addressed by Montgomery in the Spring since he is now a co-coordinator with MS.

    • soonermusic says:

      “Switzer’s great recruiting…” I think Lacewell might have landed one or three as we’ll….:-)

    • madbrad says:

      That’s one huge paragraph….geez

    • Super Keith says:

      You make some good points, but my eyes tell me that Kish isn’t even a good position coach. How many times did our LBs either miss their fit, or get carried 2-3 yards after contact with the ball carrier? Then there’s the total inability to cover when they are asked to drop back (which we all know was too much, but that isn’t on Kish).

      It would be much more difficult to fault Kish if our linebackers were playing better, but as it stands now, I don’t see anything to support the opinion that he is a good position coach.

  • OUhomer4life says:

    I have been reading a bit this morning! I just lay here being lazy, and wondering why nobody thinks Justice Hansen will be a factor in qb competition this year!

    • SoonerPhins says:

      Its anybody’s game at this point.

      • OUhomer4life says:

        Yes I know this, but every article that I read this morning, seemed to talk about Mayfield and Knight!

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Because he was raw when he came in, and has zero college football game experience. I just think it highly unlikely that he will be the better option next year over guys that have seen the field.

    • blaster1371 says:

      I do!!! I think his dual threat capabilities are what he was recruited for but I had read somewhere that his arm was the better part of his game. I will be watching him intently this spring. Unless he just brings it I can see the starter being a contest between Mayfield and Thomas.

      • OUhomer4life says:

        He has the size to fit well into a mutated air raid offense that LR like to run!

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        I don’t think Knight is out of it, especially compared to Thomas. Maybe Riley can do for Knight what the new TCU coaches did for Boykins. I don’t think anybody doubts Knight’s potential.

        That said, I think it’s Mayfield’s job to lose, honestly.

        • BoomerDave says:

          This!

        • blaster1371 says:

          I think we have seen the ceiling of Knights potential.

          • Glocal Sooner says:

            If you’re talking about the Sugar Bowl (yes I’m Bob Stoops) then I like his ceiling 🙂

          • hOUligan says:

            I’m never going to count a competitor out and Knight has shown himself to be a competitor. And maybe he can get healthy and raise his game a notch. Just think his skills and abilities are behind those of Hanson and Mayfield might have an edge having played in a similar offense. Gotta believe Riley can make 1 of these guys an effective QB and I don’t care which one.

      • james babcock says:

        Can’t see cody thomas being a factor next year he is a better baseball player than football player should just play baseball.

        • blaster1371 says:

          His HS tape is sick. He has all the skills and mechanics In place, just needs to get to college speed of reads and windows……. And recievers that can get their butts open.

      • Stephen W Hembree says:

        my pick is another JH

    • james babcock says:

      Agree he was a 4 star recruit top 100 player in the nation been said he has a nice arm and is Mobile .

    • EasTex says:

      I think it’s another case of OUt of sight-OUt of mind.
      I imagine he is chomping at the bit to show what he can do.

  • OUhomer4life says:

    From what I have read, we aren’t getting a qb this year, I think LR will play the qb that best fits what he expects out of a offense! I watched some East Carolina film, I think Hansen fits his offense the best.

  • AlvinMack55 says:

    I think the next stellar QB is on this roster. If I had to pick, I’d say it will either be Baker Mayfield or Justice Hansen. I think Riley develop these QBs quite well. He knows what he has in 3 of the 4 and the way he spoke, with confidence, about the QBs on this roster has me excited to see what he can do.

    • boomersooner says:

      i had the honor and pleasure of meeting him and getting to talk to him once a few yrs ago. he was truly a class act. very humble. very down to earth. really nice, genuine person. and could still roll outta bed and hit .300

      • EasTex says:

        What an honor that must have been.
        Classy, upbeat and was a flat out baller.

        • boomersooner says:

          yeah. he’s definitely one of those guys that if he was your hero, he still was even after you met him

          • Dd992emo says:

            Agree. I met Bobby Orr at a charity golf tournament in the late 90s and he was a real gentleman. Personable, great sense of humor and didn’t take himself seriously at all. When I asked him what he did now that hockey was in his past, he said, “I’m Bobby Orr. That’s pretty much my job…”

          • boomersooner says:

            haha. that’s priceless. what an answer

    • dd992emo says:

      Let’s play two…

  • Glocal Sooner says:

    Just throwing out a little conversation for this unfortunately slow weekend. I doubt we make any new 2015 offers at this point. I think we have 6-7 spots left. Remembering that there’s always some NSD surprises, here’s our options I think:
    QB K Murray
    WR’s V Jefferson, D Lodge, M Hughes, D Reed
    OL Wariboko, maybe Pat Allen
    DE D Neal
    DT Lampkin, D Daniels, J Wicker, D Mack
    LB A McGinnis, L Brown, C Peat, J Smith
    Hopefully we can get 6-7 of those 16. Any other names that should be included?

    • EasTex says:

      I would be happy with any of them, but would be emotionally destroyed if we don’t get McG.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      I would say we’re in good shape with Jefferson and Neal. Decent shape with Wariboko and Daniels . Of the others some are doubtful to very doubtful to just unknown ( kids like Hughes and Reed )

      • hOUligan says:

        From the sounds of it, Jefferson seems like OUr best bet for another addition to this class. After that, Neal and maybe Daniels. If OU wants to ‘fill out’ the class, will likely be a scholly available for Patterson if his academics are solid. Only other guy is McGinnis. The guy has been really quiet about his recruitment. If OU can actually get him on campus next weekend think they can sway him from AZ and Tech if Monty gets ahold of him. Other than that, maybe an ‘Orlando Brown’ falls to us.

    • Mizuno44 says:

      Great list. Regarding K Murray, I’ve watched his highlights, 5 Star, I get it. But, he’s really small. With the Riley offense, quick slants, crossing patterns, lineman between 6’4 to 6’7 in front of you, can he be an effective passer? Watching the highlights, he’s not afraid to tuck it and run, and that might be counterproductive to the offense we’ll have this year. Feel free to beat me up over these comments, I’m just not sold on him.

      • Fear The Magic says:

        I agree with you.

      • EasTex says:

        Not going to beat on you, just disagree for a simple reason, he is a “winner.”
        The offense they ran at Allen is eerily similar to the offense they ran at ECU. Murray presents a unique threat to defenses in that the DL has to be disciplined to try and contain him which creates passing lanes. He moves well in the pocket and can make any throw known to man and has the acumen to see not only his receivers but the defenders, as well. I was constantly amazed at how he would drop a perfect pass over a LB dropping in coverage.
        If the DL rushes recklessly he will take off and is fast and elusive.
        He may be small at 5’11”, and he might reach 6’0″ when he stops growing, but playing some of the toughest competition at the highest classification of Texas High School football he is undefeated. Kid just wins.

        • MoJoOkie says:

          I posted the same the other day. You call it lanes, I called it seams. Same same. Movement creates seams, and in regard to Riley’s offense, he appears to like mobility and the QB does run it. Combined with the RBs, Riley would be licking his chops with Murray. Having said all that, I don’t think there’s much or any shot at him.

          • EasTex says:

            I remain hopeful, not optimistic, that KM comes to OU.
            The fact his best friend is on the OU baseball team and his current girl friend will be at OU in the fall are not small positives.

        • Mizuno44 says:

          I agree Murray is an exceptional talent, I just don’t want him behind our center. I prefer a guy who can read and throw quickly and accurately, with enough mobility to keep defenses honest, not for the constant need to find passing lanes or strong desire to run. Riley’s own words minus the mobility part, but we need the ball out of the QB’s hands into multiple playmaker’s hands, Mayfield has proven ability to do this, and we haven’t even seen Hansen yet, 6’3, 220 lbs, with 4.5 speed. IMO, and respect yours.

          • EasTex says:

            No probs, we all have our preferences.
            We have different observations on KM. I’ve watched him since he was a soph and he blew my mind then as a 15 year old. He got better and bigger each year. His 4500+ yards passing as a Senior belies the notion that he has a desire to run, but when he does he is a threat to take it all the way. Where he improved the most that I saw over those three years was his knowing where his receivers and defenders were. To have such an advanced knowledge of the passing game at 17 is remarkable.
            Wish we could have seen Hansen’s development in his Senior year.

        • Boom says:

          To add on, he’s used to throwing over a 6’4/5″ line. Go watch that tape again and look at his OL, they ain’t 5’11” chunky boys. Also, he creates more time in or out of the pocket. He’s groomed and knows throwing the ball is the key. He gets it.
          He will be successful anywhere he goes.

        • Hotrod33 says:

          Just say KM commits to us and knows that he has a great chance to play qb. Now, what happens if he didn’t start and say 2 or 3 on the depth chart. Now, if you are Riley, would you go to Stoops and say he lets get him on the field any way we can. Put him in the slot or at rb and let him make plays. He could use him to throw also out of those plays or do you just not use him redshirt him and wait til next year. To me if this kid can play, you want playmakers out there.

    • Stephen W Hembree says:

      bold prediction someone from spiro, okla will be the surprise recruit this year can play D or O and has size to play multiple positions on both side of the ball

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Will Wariboko be taking an unofficial to OU this weekend or next weekend?

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    NO Boom today? Feb 5 only?

  • blaster1371 says:

    I suspect things will start shaping up the day or two before national signing day with the usual few surprises on that morning. Seems like there are some recruits just waiting to see where other recruits are going and then jumping the other way. I think the Josh Smith ship has sailed. That, IMO, leaves McGinnis as the remaining really need to gets left on the board. Any other recuit is will be icing as from what I can see OU has addressed the other positions pretty well or already has the dept needed. Lamp kin would also be a really could pick up since the kid from Jenks may be a no go and OU will need a guy who can play the middle.

  • Stephen says:

    Kahlil Haughton will be in Norman today.

    • blaster1371 says:

      Everything I’ve read says this kid will make a really good safety in regards to his smarts and football IQ. He may need a year to bulk up so I suspect he may not see the field his freshman year.

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        What does our safety depth chart look like without him? Parker, Byrd, and Thomas, obviously. Who else?

      • EasTex says:

        When Super K said he called the defenses at Midway and I saw the video where they beat Highland Park in the playoffs with their sophisticated multiple offense, that told me volumes about Kahlil.

    • EasTex says:

      Love his game.

  • blaster1371 says:

    Can someone give me a run down of who is already on campus (early enrollees) from this class? I thought I heard there were six and that includes the JC guys.

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Kahlil Haughton’s visiting today. Also received a 4th * from Rivals this week. Really glad he’s a Sooner!

    https://twitter.com/Kahlilhaughton/status/559042137493213185

  • Steve Cooke says:

    Don’t kill the messenger here, but a poster on 247 who’s been pretty good on the scoops has said ol’ miss has put on a show for the visitors this weekend. From what he has heard Van Jefferson is having a great time.

    • Glocal Sooner says:

      Guess they’re not watching the Peach Bowl rerun.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Wait, so an Ole Miss site mod thinks a kid is gonna go to Ole Miss? And who has a vested financial interest in convincing his paying subscribers of such a thing? Be still my beating heart! That type of stuff never happens 😉

      • Steve Cooke says:

        Boy oh boy gone all morning & comes back with a little sarcasm. Somebody got no booty last night!

  • Stephen says:

    This weekend definitely feels like a bust instead of a BOOM.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      I read elsewhere that OU didn’t have any OV’s in the two weeks before NSD last year either, I can’t remember.

      • Glocal Sooner says:

        I don’t think we’ll make any new offers and I think our remaining commits will come from guys who’ve already visited. Call it bad planning that we don’t have any new OV’s here in the last couple of weeks if you’re pessimistic. Call it efficient that everyone we want has already visited if you’re optimistic 🙂

      • Stephen says:

        And we’re only a year removed from beating Bama in the Sugar Bowl….oops I said it. Seriously though, I would rather have guys on campus that we don’t have a chance with than nobody at all. I hate seeing that Norman is empty and other schools are putting on one last big show for recruits.

    • EasTex says:

      There are some busts I am quite fond of.

  • soonerbred4ever says:

    It’s probably posted somewhere but I can’t find a roster for todays senior bowl. Does anyone know if or who we have playing?

  • curt gomer says:

    Any word yet on Josh Smith? Will he be in Oklahoma or Oregon next weekend? Sorry if I didn’t see it in the comments below.

  • Dustin says:

    Williams looking pretty good so far. Would love to see Geneo make a big play today.

  • Stephen says:

    With Justin Reid out, do we get back in it with DeChaun Holiday?

  • Mizuno44 says:

    TFB, I know you’re sitting on some exciting, juicy updates, so out with it!

  • Austin says:

    Womens bball team wins again! 70-64 over tech. Still undefeated in conference play. I don’t think anyone saw this kind of performance coming from such a young team.

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Man Jacob’s look’s scared. It’s a favor for us, Jacobs has a little DBG in him. Mizzo training program is not near as challenging as OU. DBG throwing up, just like the kid that thought our lineman are huge and committed to tt the next day. OU practice is extremely challenging in every way. Your going against some of the best pro level athletes in some positions. I think that could be challenging. Look who we are recruiting, they are not coming to sit I promise you. I would GLADLY take an open weekend for a suprise monster on NSD. We already have a surprise nugget in a excited preferred walk on name Arises I think correct the name please.

    • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

      Mizzou has been in the SEC champ game the past 2 seasons. They’ve also sent several D lineman in the NFL. DGB’s past issues at Mizzou shouldn’t be compared to Jacobs, because they aren’t related in any way.

      I wish Jacobs the best and believe he’ll be a good player there.

    • EasTex says:

      I think you are referring to Aaron Sims.

  • JJSoona says:

    Can someone help me understand why further coaching changes haven’t been announced? Conventional wisdom says announce and draw on interest from recruits but somehow I don’t think that matters much. Not bangin on anyone just want to understand.

    • bmrsnr says:

      They aren’t as important positions as OC and other guys are probably recruiting for their respective schools and Stoops respects that. Plus Viney and Callens have really been tearing it up out there.

    • EasTex says:

      Based on what we know, NSD seems to be the consensus.

    • hOUligan says:

      Gotta believe Norvell’s and BJW’s replacements are current college coaches and there is some agreement to wait until after nsd for them to leave/announcements.

    • BoomerDave says:

      Probably because they’re probably not happening!

      • james babcock says:

        You know for two day’s you have been on this nothing is going to happen in the coaching staff what do you think if no changes are made on the defensive staff and we lose five games again next year? You want to know all hell is going to break out and people like you will come up eith your usual excuses.

        • rphokc says:

          …..try boxers

        • boomersooner says:

          i really wonder if you’re around 12 yrs old. you get on here about miami this and miami that. miami, miami, miami. then you harp about eastex picking on you. to the point of shedding internet tears. just a lot of childish nonsense out of your camp. and what is it with people and futures that haven’t happened yet or non existent futures? we don’t know how to answer those things that sound good in your head

          • EasTex says:

            Things that make you go…hmmm.

          • JJSoona says:

            Looks like a big guppie in shallow water!

          • EasTex says:

            It’s supposed to be a gif and it won’t animate…dangit.

          • JJSoona says:

            It will if you click on the pic:-)

          • EasTex says:

            Ah-Ha!
            Thanks.

          • boomersooner says:

            i’d say more like this

          • james babcock says:

            I just want to know if you think bob stoops is as good a coach as Urban Meyer ?

          • boomersooner says:

            if you or him or saban could look yourselves in a mirror and know you are playing by the rules. i don’t care about if you ain’t cheating you ain’t competing and all that crap. take out oversigning, take out bag men, and whatever else there is. even playing field and no doubt in my mind he’s just as good

          • james babcock says:

            You know i have respected to wishes of a certain person not to directly or indirectly mention him by name but for to day’s i have listen to him to take shots at me indirectly what a damn hypocrite some of you people are after i haven’t mentioned his name in weeks

          • boomersooner says:

            i believe i speak for all of us babe when i say….huh?

          • EasTex says:

            He’s referring to me.
            I will have no direct contact with him, but I can certainly reply to those who do.

          • boomersooner says:

            you got a sentence outta that?

          • EasTex says:

            Just the gist of it, but only after reading your comment.

          • james babcock says:

            I am not backing down anymore on this site there are some of you all you do is criticize certain fans on this website because we are tired of the losing .

          • boomersooner says:

            yeah that’s it. that’s exactly it. nobody likes to lose. what we don’t like is the incessant whining. when a couple handfuls of people show up everyday and have a bitchoff it not only gets old, it gets obnoxious. so if people wanna call me police or whatever, so be it. i have this site where the bitching isn’t front and center all day, every post. you guys have umpteen sites to go bitch with each other. go there. i want to enjoy this one. if it becomes nothing but “sunshine pumping” or whatever you guys are calling it this week, i don’t care. i don’t want to see negativity every single post every single day. that’s why i left landthieves. if you want, go there. you can curse, bitch, moan, cry, or whatever you want. if you wanna have a conversation have it. if you wanna bitch or be negative or ask about stuff that doesn’t exist or invent stuff that doesn’t exist just to bitch about something scram

          • james babcock says:

            Look if we are winning I would be the most happiest person on this site I would be with you 100% but I don’t agree with you I am being negative all the time also tell me what am i inventingon this site?

          • boomersooner says:

            i’m not just talking to you dudley. i mean all the negative folk. some people invent stuff to complain about. like there’s not enough bitching to go around, some create things that don’t even exist. off the top of my head, i got nothing but its there

          • james babcock says:

            Don’t you think winning cures everything then there would be no negativity on this site.

          • boomersooner says:

            nope. nothing gets rid of pessimism. it wouldn’t be a word or have a definition

          • EasTex says:

            A cancer cell doesn’t know it is deadly to the host, it thinks it is just like any other cell.

          • BloodRed says:

            James I would not even waste Ur time…..And I’m not surprised at who is at the end of this
            convo—the #1 blind stoops lover to the rescue…LOL Give it a rest sonny
            boy U are outta your league….

          • boomersooner says:

            haha. castorboytroy is back and has his boy dudley’s back. now if we could only get stephen dale in here, we’d have the triumvirate of idiocy

          • EasTex says:

            What a Duo of Dumba**ery.

          • boomersooner says:

            a neglected Toilet Twosome
            a Duo of Douches
            a Trio of Taints

          • rphokc says:

            ……dudley, do you have enough kleenex

  • KJ1123 says:

    Just read something on John Houston being close and really liking Kish. If OU lands him I wonder if Kish will be less on the hot seat. That is if he is even ON the hot seat of course.

  • trusoonerA53 says:

    Hey Ferguson I feel ya. That was not my point. My point is Both choose mizzo over OU one of DBG friend’s said that DBG choose Mizzo because he knew he would get away with things that would not fly at OU. That’s all I’m saying, something to consider.

    • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

      Gotcha, I’ve never heard the “get away with things that would not fly at OU” rumor before. I just think Mizzou is doing something right due to their recent success and Jacobs being a recruit I was high on

  • JJSoona says:

    Dear Lord be my valentine and send Jim Leavitt to Norman.

  • hOUligan says:

    Anyone follow twitter? can ‘see’ McGinnis’ tweets? Wonder how his TT visit is going. Also, do not recall him tweeting out ‘Boomer’ or reaching out to OU fans. On one of the sites there was a twitter feed from him a few months ago and his was very interesting. A lot of inspirational/motivational things instead of the usual. Besides having some of the best LB film I watched, just get the feeling this kid is very squared away and highly motivated to do good things on and off the field. Just get the sinking feeling OU staff hasn’t really made him the high priority. Did they even do an ‘in home’ with him? Didn’t see staff tweets of him holding a golden hat or anything.

  • James D-Space says:

    Watching this OU /Baylor game. Man, this OU team is frustrating, fun, ugly & beautiful all wrapped up into one.
    C’mon boys, get it!

  • Lincoln Hawk says:

    Just a little crazy wishful thinking post, maybe Stoops is waiting for Shawn Jefferson to fulfill his coaching duties for the Senior Bowl then will announce the hiring…..Obviously I have no idea but would make sense as to why Gundy said good news was coming. Yell at me in all caps if you want:)

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    I hate watching OU lose at any sport. It ruins my day.

    • EasTex says:

      Yeah.
      This game sucked.

    • Austin says:

      This team is so bi-polar. Never know which team is showing up from game to game. They have the talent to compete for the conference title but for whatever reason can’t figure it out.

      • JJSoona says:

        Hield got into foul trouble and Thomas is playing too timid. He’s a man-child. Go play your strengths.

        • Austin says:

          Not a lot of depth on this team either. No bench scoring whatsoever. I think next year is going to be the year for this team to make a run in the tourney.

    • Boom says:

      With you. However, they are no where near a finished product. We have played by far the hardest schedule to date. The Big 12 is one of if not the most difficult conference so it’s not going to get easier. That said, even in a loss, you have to love the direction this team is headed. They will be game tested by years end which will pay dividends.

      • JJSoona says:

        +1,000

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        Eh, don’t go making excuses. This team hasn’t played up to expectations (everybody’s, not just mine) all season. Up and down. No consistency. Below average on offense. Soft inside at times.

        I just posted this stat over at OUHoops. Only 3 times in 29 seasons as a D1 HC has Lon Kruger taken a team to the Sweet 16 or further. Unfortunately, what you see with this team this year, has been what Lon produced most of the time.

        • Boom says:

          Ok, we disagree, no worries. I’m not making excuses and don’t see anywhere in my post that I gave an excuse. Maybe Kruger isn’t the guy to take us to the finals but he does a wonderful job everywhere he’s been to turn around bottom feeders.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      +1000

    • Boomer4life says:

      +1001

  • F1at1ined says:

    I wonder if we will see some surprise late steals or offers like Orlando Brown was, or Frison (though with Frison, we were recruiting him pretty constantly whereas Brown was a complete surprise). Maybe we can benefit from the same kind of overcommitted college screw ups. Would love a LB or two to suddenly need to find a scholarship after losing out on a numbers game.

    Not sure if it will happen – just find it hard to see us landing every one of our few known heavily recruited targets. I feel we have more scholarships available than known likely to commit targets.

    • Zack says:

      I’m sure we will see a couple names we haven’t heard before or heard any forward motion with those recruits, come NSD. Not sure that will be a good thing though

      • F1at1ined says:

        Hopefully we land a few nice commits to round out a pretty solid haul. I just hope we don’t throw out Hail Mary scholarship offers to guys who may not be good enough to receive one.

    • EasTex says:

      Looking at a few schools, there well could be some potential “grey shirts” that don’t want to go that route.
      Sure hope Overton gets things in order.

  • SamSooner says:

    Watching “Tombstone” with my son. On my bucket list of Westerns to watch with him.
    We’ve seen all of Clint Eastwood Westerns.

  • bmrsnr says:

    Texas lost their QB commit to Michigan.

  • ellisbr says:

    wow, not a single update today….

  • Jeff says:

    I hope OU makes the tournament

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Samaje Perine at the children’s hospital

  • EasTex says:

    Another pic from the OU Children’s Hospital.
    https://twitter.com/cdaimler70/status/559189512811589635/photo/1

    • Robertson / Robertson 2016 says:

      And this is why I love OU football under the Stoops tenure. I’ve heard so many positives about Stoops and the boys throughout the years regarding their involvement in the OU community. A nurse buddy of mine had told me the story about how Stoops had stopped to visit a terminally ill fan and due to unfortunate circumstances was present for their passing. Talked about the grace of Stoops amidst heartbreak outside of football.

      • EasTex says:

        I feel the same as you.
        He leads by good example and gives of himself.

      • John Garner says:

        For all his failures on the field this past season, Coach definitely stands tall in the community, especially when it comes to kids.

  • kt-raida says:

    Louis Brown committed to Oklahoma state. Why????

  • curt gomer says:

    Seems like that was his intention when he decommited while in Austin. Real bummer. We just can’t catch a break when it comes to LB this year

  • Borba22 says:

    Starting to hear some smoke that Van Jefferson is now leaning toward Ole Miss. Hoping he makes out of their without committing.

  • SCKSChief says:

    Really would like to see MOAR LBs signed…seem to just keep slipping away, like farts in the breeze.

  • Stephen Dale says:

    used to own some PIMCO selections in my IRA…….found better results elsewhere with other investment funds……………..

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    So Kansas beats Texas by 13 and ESPN headline says “Kansas tops texas”. Baylor Beats OU by 11 and ESPN headline reads “Baylor drubs Oklahoma”. ESPN you suck.

  • Robertson / Robertson 2016 says:

    Happy Sunday to all. To my Sooner brothers and sisters visiting your church families, he is risen!

  • John Garner says:

    Geezus our luck at corralling some LBs really sucks.

  • FlatLander says:

    Is our struggles with recruiting linebackers due to what the recruits see from the linebacker play on the field? Meaning they know the development of their skills may not happen under Kish?

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Might have just as much to do with the experienced depth. These kids want to start, and if there is experience in front of them another school with less of it looks a little better. The Smith/Vandy thing mystifies me a little, but it’s considered a very good school academically. Some kids want the specified education thing too.

  • William Ryan says:

    There has to be decent lb prospect out there that we can convince to commit this completely inexcusable we are running a 3-4 its two weeks til signing day yet the only one we have we owe it to Montys hard work.

  • MoJoOkie says:

    Chris Daniels looks big and has good feet. Has a tendency to stand straight up at the snap. Just a technique thing, so he could be a good one. Has to correct his rush out of the stance, but that’s what experience is for.

    • EasTex says:

      Had to look him up, he is 6’4 280lbs. Didn’t look that big on the video, which means he is still a growing lad.
      Pretty offer list already for someone who isn’t ranked yet.

      • MoJoOkie says:

        Looks pretty big to me, but the teams might be from the wizard of oz. Who knows, but he has pretty good feet, and looks long and lean. Probably put 20-30 on that frame.

        • EasTex says:

          I didn’t doubt he was a big boy, just in comparison with all the others I couldn’t tell.
          As well as he moves that 280, I don’t think 300+ will be a problem for him.

  • EasTex says:

    McGinnis is the commit I value most, at this time, and was curious as to why he was visiting Zona. I looked at Zona on Rivals, they are currently ranked 36th with 26 commits and not one of them is ranked higher than 3 stars. Of course stars don’t mean everything, just a useful guide for valuing recruiting classes.
    What I did find interesting and may help explain his official visit to Zona was 6 of their commits are from Louisiana and two of them were team mates with McG.
    I hope his official to OU next week is a good one.

  • curt gomer says:

    If i didn’t love my OU football so much this LB recruiting this year is almost amusing at this point. I understand the Kish factor but i just cant get my head around why we keep missing on all these guys.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      Not all were desirable, some were slow played due to wanting others. But someone posted that of 20 offers we have 1. If it ends this way, I’d like to hear from Coach on NSD why this happened. I’m wanting for Smith and/or McGinnis or?

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        I will never understand why people say what you said in your last sentence.

        Not all of these kids are simply looking at the best football program to offer them, and committing. I agree I can’t really see the appeal of choosing TT over us, but the weather and stuff of Zona might appeal to him, coming from Louisiana. Who knows? Maybe he just really, really likes the coach that is recruiting him there. That happens. Doesn’t mean (in this one case) that Kish did anything wrong. People just connect with different types of folks.

        It’s the whole “what did we do wrong” every time we lose out on a single recruit that I don’t get.

        • D Hunter Sanchez says:

          Recruiting is a battle. Nothing wrong with a player choosing a school for other than on the field results. In my mind it’s about 1. Education 2. Winning tradition 3. Next level (NFL) opportunities. However, some kids may not care about tradition, winning etc…They rather get on the field early…this could be the reason for parity.

          My comment had nothing to do with Kish. Some of the posters here blame Kish. I just would like to know why 1 LB this cycle? I tried to point out that we have a lot of freshmen/soph LB on the roster and some people said we need 4 in this class!

      • Fear The Magic says:

        I hope Monty sticks with McGinnis like glue… from the time he arrives to the moment he leaves.

  • Felix Fuentes says:

    This is just sad OU can’t recruit LB’s. Perhaps OU should put up statues our Butkis award winners!

  • SamSooner says:

    Many, many years ago I went to bed with worries on my mind and I was troubled. I had no answers for my situation. Despite my worries, surprisingly, I fell asleep. The things that worried me eventually during the day found its way to into my sleep, slithering like snake, continuing to create doubt.

    However, a calming voice, the voice of God, asked me a singular question, to which I answered “Yes.”

    I fell back into my deep sleep, woke up, my perspective on life forever changed.

    I am still driven by that change in perspective: we try desperately to hold onto what God is trying to get us turn loose.

    The coaches can’t change the the LB situation. They can only work with what they have, knowing, things will be fine in the end. Things always work out fine for those who believe it will be.

  • JrsySooner says:

    1000 plus comments wow…imagine if we were an elite team in something other than gymnastics or softball
    this alone shows you why when you play Texas or OSU . …you need to beat their ass to a pulp
    to be honest I’m pissed we still have Mike but the knowledge is there…losing at home to OSU is like dropping a bottle of Cognac . ..it isn’t coming back and it haunts you for a long long time…so now what
    With the hire of Riley are we going to try to out a score everyone ? Championships are built on speed and defense…I’m so disgruntled I can’t find the wordd

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      There wasn’t a ton of defense played in the 3 playoff games this year.

      Some will say Ohio State played some, and they did, play some, but they also got pretty lucky and played a team in the NC game that was playing without their top two WR’s. OU fans should know what it’s like to play in a NC game without a top offensive weapon.

      • james babcock says:

        Well agree with you on this I think if we had DeMarco Murray vs Florida we would have won that national championship.

    • F1at1ined says:

      Considering it seems Riley is targeting speed already, not quite sure why you are so disgruntled. As for defense, why not give until after NSD when we get a true idea what our new coaching lineup is (with all titles of coaching duties announced). Just a thought.

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        Agreed on the D staff. I still think a major change is coming, even if it is just replacing Kish (and getting a new secondary coach). But if not, it tells me Bob likes the staff, just thinks we need better players. And I can’t completely disagree with that. But I would think Kish would be on the move if recruiting is what Bob thinks is the biggest issue, and we don’t get some very good news on the LB recruiting front. Soon.

        • F1at1ined says:

          Just get the feeling if Kish stays on, his position will be recruited by other, more social comfortable coaches. Kish may still recruit, but perhaps the onus will be towards a more consistent offense coaches recruit their side of the ball and defense do likewise. If we land a DB coach as successful as Monty, we might see those two doing the bulk of the key visiting, building of personal relationships etc. If Kish remains, am going to believe its because he coaches well, and they have identified he needs help on the recruiting side.

    • blaster1371 says:

      the team that scores most usually wins

    • james babcock says:

      agree with you 100 percent but there’s other people on this site who think that you are just being – because we want to win but we don’t agree with the current coaching staff.

  • curt gomer says:

    If Smith doesn’t cancel his Oregon trip and reschedule one to OU hes probably out so other than McGinnis who is left at this point?

    • EasTex says:

      He doesn’t have to sign on NSD, it could come later.

    • JD says:

      Ferguson and Whitfield are two names that I’d keep an eye on…maybe Whitfield is wishful thinking…I’d hope he would switch from TU with a last minute offer but who knows

  • Bam says:

    Rumors out the Jefferson committed to Ole Miss this weekend.

    • curt gomer says:

      Dont think he has committed yet but word is hes enjoying his visit. The way the last week has gone i figure he will commit within the hour

  • Mike Reed says:

    More news out of New England in breaking press conference…..

  • Dustin says:

    What is up with that horrendous carpet in the pokes’ locker room?

  • Steve Cooke says:

    I just tweeted at Van Jefferson & he DM’d back saying he hasn’t committed.

  • blaster1371 says:

    I watched the 2012 OU-Texass game last night. THAT IS THE DEFENSE OU NEEDS TO GO BACK TO. Of course it had Hurst and Colvin at corner. Jefferson and Harris were the safeties and were solid. The linebackers ( yes Kish was their coach) were a force. The d-line (King, Washington, Casey Walker, Ndule) was beating up the texass o-line and stuffing the run and harassing Ash. That texass offense had been humming along too. Perhaps a perfect storm occurred in Norman- Mike tried too much with a young or inexperienced secondary against offense that were just really good at what they do and the OU offense was just unable to stay on the field on a regular basis. Later that season Mike began to tweak the defense trying to tune it up and just messed things up. Perhaps with a defense that has a better feel for the game he doesn’t have to keep correcting the basic things. The OU defense lost its confidence and tenacity midway through the season, that too is problematic as attitude sets the tone for everything else.

  • Mustvid says:

    Is it possible Mike is moving to a 4-2-5? Could that explain the lack of urgency for signing more LBers?

    • blaster1371 says:

      Could be a few DEs are moving to OLB. I think Ward might be a candidate for this. Obo is going to do just fine (#82).

    • Fear The Magic says:

      I wouldnt say there isnt a urgency. I’m thinking that its just not happening

    • blaster1371 says:

      4-2-5 makes some sense. OU was dropping eight into coverage on a regular basis. Seems that coverage would be better done by a DB than that extra linebacker. I realize there are several combinations that can be placed on the field.

    • Steve Johns says:

      It’s also possible that LBs aren’t as critical a need this year. Fans seemed more worried about it than coaches.

  • madbrad says:

    Welp, moving on from Van Jefferson…

  • Steve Johns says:

    Rest easy boys, TFB confirmed that Jefferson has not committed.

  • Jordan Esco says:

    Van Jefferson update added

  • Brad Warren says:

    All I’ve been hearing is that Van Jefferson is going to commit to OU. What’s this Ole Miss garbage? Following recruiting will age you like being President. Smh.

  • AlvinMack55 says:

    Ole Mi$$ is getting annoying.

  • Carl Carter says:

    Ok soo… Can anyone tell me what’s going on with Jeffereson after I nearly had a heart attack about him committing to Ole Piss?

    • Jordan Esco says:

      We added an update. It would appear the Ole Miss people jumped the gun and falsely reported his commitment.

      Doesn’t mean he won’t commit to Ole Miss tomorrow (or maybe even later today), but as of right now, in the young man’s own words, he has not committed.

      This is the kind of stuff that happens when you have people trying to report things who care more about being first, than they do about being right.

      • curt gomer says:

        Well said!

      • Bob Barker says:

        So are you surprised by the smoke surrounding this given the update at the top of the page?

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I said before he made the trip to never underestimate Ole Miss when it comes to recruiting. TFB has talked about the stuff that goes on down there. I’m not surprised at all a school like that could get into a kid’s head.

          And I’m not saying Jefferson won’t eventually commit to Ole Miss. I don’t know that any more than anybody else does or doesn’t. I just know that he didn’t commit today and that’s what was reported.

      • Tom Turman says:

        Kinda like when Dean broke the news about Lincoln Riley early…always a race to be the first…but if there is smoke here, then there is likely fire too…

        • Jordan Esco says:

          Yep, no doubt. Dean nailed that one. But he was also the first/only one who reported this: http://www.news9.com/story/26596859/breaking-mayfield-request-granted-by-ncaa

          So, you know, it’s a bit of a sliding scale.

          Don’t misinterpret what I said. Nobody is going to be right 100% of the time. It’s obviously about being right more than you’re wrong, but the expectation isn’t ever going to be that nobody will make a mistake now and then.

          • Tom Turman says:

            I don’t disagree. I was just citing a recent example of a similar situation that turned out to be true. There have been many instances where the result ended up being false as well. I’d love for the reports to be false. But I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if they are true.

          • Jordan Esco says:

            I’m not sure what else you can ask for than a direct quote from the kid himself.

            I mean if you don’t want to believe him and would rather believe people who have a vested financial interest in reporting Ole Miss news then you certainly have that right.

            fwiw, the Ole Miss people have already started to back off what they put out there, or so I’ve been told.

          • Tom Turman says:

            Really, Jordan, I’m not disagreeing with you. I just know things happen when you’re dealing with the SEC…the only conference historically more corrupt than the old SWC…and this late in the recruiting season things happen anyway, so I believe that he hasn’t committed if he says he hasn’t, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he does tonight or tomorrow…if OU can survive the next couple of days without him committing to Ole Miss, then they’ve got a great chance…the next 48 hours will be a long 48 hours…

          • Jordan Esco says:

            No disagreement here. Was just trying to add some context. All good, apologies if you took what I said otherwise. That was not my intention.

          • Tom Turman says:

            By the way Jordan, I think you guys do a great job of getting info…I appreciate it, as I know many people do…

          • Jordan Esco says:

            Very much appreciate you saying so! We’re just trying to give the people what they want 🙂

          • Tom Turman says:

            That you do. Thanks.

  • rphokc says:

    esco………did ou miss on riley daniel…….thxs

    • Jordan Esco says:

      I guess only time will tell, but it looks like there’s certainly a chance of that.

      • JB says:

        Jordan…is OU ever going to hire a WR coach and DB coach? It seems to me to that NOT having those in place would be a detriment to recruiting.

        • JD says:

          some think we have our guys but have to wait because of “professional curtesy” or for a contract to expire, say after signing day with their former employers

          • JB says:

            AFTER signing day? Could we possibly bungle anything else this year? Wait, don’t answer that…I don’t want to know what the next screw up is lingering around the corner.

          • BoomerDave says:

            So….hire just anybody, just to say we have a coach in place?? I’m very confident Bob has the positions filled with quality coaches who can’t leave their current positions until after NSD.

          • JB says:

            Who wants to hire “just anybody”? I don’t recall ANYONE suggesting that.

            Why after signing day? If you have quality guys to take the position, why wouldn’t you get them on staff ASAP where they can help recruit immediately like Lincoln Riley? They’ll be breaking their current contracts to come here regardless, so why not snag’em now? That defies logic.

            Let’s face it, Bob and the people he’s hired are just making one blunder after another. Whether it’s the decision to send a new QB on the road at TTU to try to throw the ball against a team that cannot stop the run, or punting a 2nd time to tyreek hill when you had them on the 24, or having CT throw and not running the ball with Ford at the end of the game, or ever hiring the likes of Tim Kish, Bruce Little, James Patton, Willie Martinez et al, or replacing Blake Bell as the starting QB after 1 good game vs many bad games from TK…I could go on, but a pattern of bad decisions is clear. When the university president has to call you inito his office twice, once for a day long ass-chewing, it’s clear that you are performing poorly at your job.

            I’m hoping (probably unrealistically) that we can recruit talent that will contribute right away and be good enough to overcome our coaching shortcomings. However, if the defensive staff doesn’t radically change, I will not be surprised if 2015 is Bob’s last year at OU. He will not survive another 8-5 or 7-6 season with embarrassing losses to Baylor & oSu again. He needs to pull a defense out of his hindparts nect year or it’ll be time to mail out the résumé en masse.

          • JD says:

            RIley is the de facto wr coach selling the position to recruits and our db roster is filled without BJWs replacement..if there are any other coaching changes then they are nothing more than rumors and high hopes by some fans

        • Jordan Esco says:

          The expectation is still what TFB said a little while ago, after NSD. But things are so quiet it could really come at any time and I wouldn’t be surprised.

          • mgcsooner says:

            I could understand some other positions, but for the life of me I can’t figure out how waiting for NSD helps for the WR coach. Jordan, any thoughts about that?

        • BoomerDave says:

          No JB. Bob will not EVER hire a DB or WR coach!! Geez!

      • Tom Turman says:

        OU always seems to get too focused on out-of-state guys and miss guys right under their nose. This could be one of those guys.

        • JB says:

          Not offering Patterson will probably bite us in the ass. I am sooooooooo sick of Bob’s staff missing out on in-state talent and focusing so much on overrated Texas talent that I could scream.

          • JD says:

            They did offer but before he took it..they filled the spot

          • Tom Turman says:

            I wouldn’t be surprised if the Lawton coaches don’t offer much to Bob and his staff in the future, considering how both Barnett and Patterson had their offers pulled in the same year.

          • rphokc says:

            barnett had light yrs to commit and didn’t ………not sure what the deal is with patterson

          • Fear The Magic says:

            Looking at it rationally they might be mad about Patterson but cant really blame the Bob on Barnett. He slow played OU and eventually got recruited over. If had had committed earlier on he’d have been a Sooner.

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Hopefully OU coaches send the house to Nashville this week (for both Josh Smith and Van Jefferson).

    Also, it still stings that we lost Laquon Treadwell to Ole Miss a couple years ago. I’ll feel the same if Jefferson heads to Oxford.

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Also, major props to TFB for having an ACTUAL quote from Van Jefferson and for putting it out tastefully. Shows real class and respect for the recruiting process and for the recruit.

    Y’all are awesome!

  • Jordan Esco says:

    Another Jefferson update added above.

  • Sooner Ray says:

    Does Van need to discuss things or show them the money?

  • Jhwig says:

    How do you get it wrong about whether a guy committed or not? I think it’s more likely he did commit and is back tracking, than someone is just flat wrong about him committing….obviously just my opinion…

    • Borba22 says:

      Probably a silent commit that accidentally leaked out.

      • Fear The Magic says:

        lol…we typed that at the same time I see.

      • Jhwig says:

        That’s my thought. Only really two sources for such information: (1) Ole Miss or (2) the player and his “camp.” It does nothing for Ole Miss to make up that the kid committed. So, likely that someone in the kid’s entourage leaked the information. Only other option is that the person reporting the news made it up out of the blue…

    • Fear The Magic says:

      Im thinking maybe he silently committed. It got out and then whoever leaked it had to backtrack. The fact that he’ll be announcing so soon after his Miss visit doesnt sound good to me.

    • brainpimp says:

      Those kind of pay sites jump the gun all the damn time fighting to be first. They get around to accuracy around Tuesday.

  • Super K says:

    We obviously can’t be totally sure but after chatting with Van, we still like where OU stands.

    • Jhwig says:

      Despite the report of a commitment and the timing of his annoucement, you believe OU is still the favorite or at least a coin flip?

      • Super K says:

        I do, yes. That’s the impression I got after talking to him. I think the timing of the decision has more to do with his frustration with the process…rumors, fans attacking him, etc. I could be wrong and it won’t be the first time, but I still feel good.

        • Jhwig says:

          Wow. Thanks for getting the info right from THE source! Much appreciated.

        • Bob Edwards says:

          Thanks for all your work K. So many people don’t get the fact that these are 17-18 year old young men probably making the biggest decision in their life to date. And unlike most of us, they are doing so with a lot of people looking on and trying to influence the decision. If things get a little confused at times, that is to be expected. And it doesn’t help that some of the people looking on are making money off the process or seem to have their entire self worth invested in whether or not the kid picks their school.

          • hOUligan says:

            Very true, Bob. It’s troubling when ‘adults’ become so emotionally invested in a decision by a 17 yr old, especially taking to twitter to rip the kid. Youngest just turned 19 and watching her and her friends come to ANY kind of decision is fascinating and humorous and painful to watch. And sometimes, for us, it’s hard to understand someone NOT wanting to be a Sooner, but it’s not ours to decide.

    • Stephen says:

      Let’s suppose that Van commits to Ole Miss. Can we safely assume that means his dad isn’t considering or being considered for the WR job?

      • Super K says:

        We’re quite certain OU was interested in his dad. We don’t know how interested his dad is in leaving the nfl. I do believe vans interest in OU is independent of his father.

  • SamSooner says:

    Some of you need to ask Alice about that rabbit hole you’re so bent on going into.

    • Jhwig says:

      ^^^Too cool for all this….

      ….yet still posting

      • SamSooner says:

        Nope, I want what you want. I’m okay if I don’t get it. People are out there battling cancer. Let’s put as much energy toward curing that.

        • Jhwig says:

          Interesting position…you post on an OU football recruiting message board/forum that people should not care too much about it and that we should be focused on curing cancer…hahaha

          WHAT???!?

        • Stephen says:

          Yeah, that really doesn’t have a place here. As LandThieves would say, “Stay on topic”

        • Tucker says:

          I think you declared another rabbit hole.

  • Mizuno44 says:

    Paranoia called, and wants to be asked permission before it’s utilized on this site…

  • Stephen says:

    Ohio State just picked up a 5* offensive linemen, does this hurt their chances any with Wariboko?

    EDIT: Didn’t see it was a 2017 guy. Sorry.

  • Boomer4life says:

    I feel a BOOM coming soon!

  • Zack says:

    I think it’s safe to say OU and the fans need van to commit to OU. If we miss today I think it’s going to be an ugly trend of bad news that will continuing breaking over the next week.

    • Jeff says:

      Your Jinxing NSD!

    • bmrsnr says:

      Van is a pretty new guy on our board, what does he have to do with the other guys?

      • Zack says:

        Well just a week ago he was considered a lock to ou. Sounding like most don’t feel good about smith or McGinnis. We already got the news about Overton not likely to sign until he’s able to qualify. Wariboko sounds like he’s loving ucla this weekend. To me it’s setting up to possibly be an ugly finish. I hope I’m wrong

        • Stephen says:

          You aren’t alone. Everyone talks about a surprise big finish but the momentum doesn’t seem to back this up. It will be interesting who is added on NSD and who isn’t.

        • BoomerDave says:

          Again, who ever said he was a lock to OU? I read this and about every other board. This is the first I’ve ever heard him called a “lock”.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      The only reason I disagree is that even without him, I think we can be fine at WR next season. I’d like to have him, but it’s not like he is a stud QB or LB.

      • curt gomer says:

        we could use a couple stud QBs that also play LB

      • Stephen says:

        I think it’s more about the momentum and hype he would bring to the program not just the WR position.

        • Zack says:

          The momentum arrow is pointing down especially if a guy who a week ago was considered a lock ends up somewhere else

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          I seriously doubt Jefferson committing helps or hurts OU recruiting the rest of the year. He just hasn’t been an option long enough to have that kind of impact. He “could” help with the Vandy LB, I suppose. But the other guys? No effect, IMO.

    • rphokc says:

      ….zack, you ain’t gonna’ make it sane thru nsd and coaching changes, or not……lol

    • hOUligan says:

      Steady, man..pull yourself together. We’re going to need you down the stretch. LoL

  • AmaGoh7 says:

    Ole Mi$$. Enough said.

  • Boomer4life says:

    SOONER MAGIC!!!! Where are you!!!!!!?

  • Scott Hamilton says:

    Another lost recruit

    • Easton says:

      No, that is not true.

    • blaster1371 says:

      The fact Jefferson didn’t commit on the spot is something to read into; OU still seems in it. Kid could,have said something like “I could see myself here” and a coach or who,ever took that as a form of commitment.

  • j l says:

    Looks like our normally strong close to recruiting isnt going to happen this year. Losing a LB to OSU and pitt, with this few of LB on our roster, is just mind boggling.

    uggh..

  • Soonersalltheway says:

    quick thought on the LB recruiting.. So obviously everyone hear would’ve loved jefferson, wheeler, etc.. but Dominique, jordan evans and striker are all returning with Obo and Bond backing them up. Plus tay evans and curtis bolton from last years class. Plus i’ve always thought Hatari would be a decent linebacker so as long as we bring in a few great LB’s next year, I think we should be fine

    • Stephen says:

      I wasn’t impressed with that group too much. Bond was a little slow to be playing on the outside, felt he should of been moved inside. I do like the idea of Hatari moving LB, he’s plenty physical.

      • Soonersalltheway says:

        The other guy i thought of who could switch like hatari was Cortez Johnson at LB. I know the coaches don’t really like his attitude but the guy is a solid athlete and should get some PT

        • Stephen says:

          He’s always confused me. Friends that know him say he’s happy where he’s at but he has the potential to do so much more. Hope he decides to compete for Jordan Thomas’ position.

        • Jhwig says:

          Guys, what’s the fascination with moving safeties to LB. We need size In 3-4…why create more undersized LBs? Also, Cortez Johnson is CB…so…no they aren’t moving him to ILB

          • Stephen says:

            Why not just recruit LB’s in the first place so we wouldn’t have to consider moving a safeties to LB. Also, Jordan Lewis was a safety that moved to LB so it’s been done before.

    • Easton says:

      What we have. What we have is much more important than recruits we want. Great point.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      DeBerry as well.

      I think we’ll be “fine” at LB in 2015. But there will need to be some impact LB’s signed in the 2016 class.

      • hOUligan says:

        Sounds like with Kelly and another 2016 LB being mentioned as OU leans, this might be part of the thought process by the staff. There are better propects next year, even if they end up taking a juco guy, too, rather than throwing offers at guys this cycle that aren’t going to make the impact we need.

        • Zack says:

          Rashaun smith, kelly and ferns all have OU pretty high

          • hOUligan says:

            Smith is the kid from Baltimore area, right? And Kelly is one of the top LBs in Cali if not the country. Could see OU signing 4 LBs next cycle easily.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            At least if the quality is available. Save some of the panic for next year.

          • hOUligan says:

            Not to worry, MoJo…panic is never in short supply on these boards. LoL. Myself, at times, included.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Yeah, I pull at my hair on occasion. Just not always.

          • JB says:

            Bob can’t afford to wait for 2016. His future is now.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Meh, doubt it, unless he completely tanks. which is possible with at Tennessee, saxet will be better, at ksu, at Baylor, and then tcu and at osu. Those could all be close. If you half them, it’s 9-3 before a bowl. Guess Bob should just call it in now.

          • JB says:

            We’d better bring in more than 4

    • Jhwig says:

      1. We did not field quality LBs this year, so we are going to be forced to play them again.
      2. Running a 3-4, we will feel the hit from bad LB recruiting in 2016-17….a lot like we were feeling the pinch at OL (particularly OT) due to the Kittles era.
      3. We have no LB depth.

      LB situation will only be fine this year…assuming our current players get better and we have no injuries

      • Zack says:

        The reason we can’t sign any Lbs is because they all heard mike wants to go to a 3-8

      • MoJoOkie says:

        1.) Shannon and experience will help. Possible scheme/coaching could help as well.
        2.) Depends on who we recruit next year and also any late comers this.
        3.) Agree, but we are better off than we were this year.

        • Jhwig says:

          experience doesn’t add 25+ lbs to all of our LBs

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Shouldn’t need the extra weight. Tackling method might need tweaking, but they’re heavy enough to make a tackle. In the current scheme, you get heavy guys in there and they won’t be able to cover. It’s always something.

          • Jhwig says:

            Incorrect statement. Prototypical OLB in 3-4 is 250-260. Big, althletic pash rushers. ILB need to be run stoppers first and foremost. Weight and size are necessary. That’s why NFL 3-4 backers are huge.

          • Easton says:

            NFL proto. Not in college. This is college ball.

          • Jhwig says:

            Ever watched Bama play?

          • Easton says:

            Oh the Bama standard? I have.

          • Jhwig says:

            This is over. You’re arguing with me and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Another Uninformed poster. Enough trolling.

          • Easton says:

            Copy that. You go ahead and keep informing, and dialogue will abound.

          • bmrsnr says:

            I’ve watched them get torched and constantly outflanked by good offensive teams.

          • Jhwig says:

            Examples??? Bama had secondary issues…but I have no idea what games you watched. Maybe the Sugar Bowl against Ohio State…but constantly?

          • MoJoOkie says:

            See any runs to the outside in that game? That’s straight up on the LBs.

          • Jhwig says:

            not a lot. Busted some big runs up the middle though. But you said “constantly”

          • MoJoOkie says:

            OK often.

          • Jhwig says:

            What games?

            They lost two games this year. Ole Miss beat them passing the ball. So, that leaves one gMe.

            Often?

          • Easton says:

            This is over.

          • Jhwig says:

            Should never have started. This is the only forum I’ve ever seen with OU fans thinking we need smaller LBs. You guys are definitely in the minority with that view…don’t think the OU couches or the players themselves would agree with you…

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Don’t know your definition of “smaller LBs”. I stand quotable in the 225-230 range as being fine.

          • Perry Dickey says:

            I’ll stand with you and add coach wig may be correct and would have had every one here agree had he said we need big FAST linebackers. But, methinks their as rare as giant athletic L tackle and or a franchise quarterback.

          • boomersooner says:

            You mean Jonathan Ogdens don’t grow on trees?

          • Jhwig says:

            At OU, it appears to be difficult to find. Solution: convert more safeties to LB…that seems to be working.

          • hOUligan says:

            Got your resume’ ready. Might be an opening at OU for a LB coach soon.

          • Easton says:

            Yeah, this started with coaching decisions by posters. Thats the issue.

          • Jhwig says:

            Do not submit yours…

          • hOUligan says:

            Not me. You seem to be the one with all the answers. Think the OU ‘couches’ have spoken as to what they want in a LB.

          • Jhwig says:

            You don’t understand the differences in defensive schemes and the need for different personnel compared to the types of guys we have been recruiting in the past. That’s fine. I know they are looking for bigger, longer athletes at LB to fit the scheme. I recognize that…that’s why OU is in a tough spot trying to run a true 3-4 when they start a guy at 6′ 215-220lbs. If that means I have all the answers…so be it.

          • JB says:

            Jhwig over Kish as OU’s lb coach ? Sold! How quickly can we make this happen?

          • MoJoOkie says:

            I’ll back all the way up to this, “big runs up the middle though”. That’s on the LBs!!!!!!!

          • Jhwig says:

            One game. Point made.

          • hOUligan says:

            X-act-lee. Playing full on spreads in the B12, not sec. Never gonna see that at OU or any B12 school. That’s why it ain’t a bad thing to take a guy who was a safety in hs who has outgrown the position and put him on the field at OU at 225-230. Would like to see 1 LB at 240-245 with enough coverage skill to take away the middle of the field.

          • Easton says:

            I know though: New England Patriots have a sweet group of prototypes, for example.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            This ain’t NFL, and if a LB is 225-230 he should be able to bring down anybody other than an offensive lineman and they ain’t going far anyway. Don’t have any idea where you’re coming up with the 250-260 for college LBs.

          • hOUligan says:

            Recall talking heads saying how the ‘Bama LBs looked fat and slow in coverage. Will be interesting as Tide just canned their LB coach to see how they begin adapting to using LBs in coverage. Sign of the times.

          • Jhwig says:

            Steele got hired as LSU defensive coordinator…took a better job…didn’t get “canned”

          • hOUligan says:

            Poor choice of words. Will be interesting after 1 year as ILB coach at ‘Bama after getting ‘canned’ at Clemson. Will see how that works out.

          • Jhwig says:

            30 years of experience and was DC at two schools prior to being hired at LSU. Not a young inexperienced guy…

          • Easton says:

            I am looking forward to seeing LSU’s defense with Kevin Steele at the helm.

          • hOUligan says:

            Chavis goes to A&M and goes after Dwaine Thomas immediately. 6′ 200-210. LSU fans were upset that he always had ‘small LBs’ in his scheme and wasn’t offering McGinnis while at LSU. Now ‘Bama in transition at LB position.

          • Easton says:

            Good heads up observation there. Sumlin got his guy.

          • Defend Colfax says:

            EA Sports. It’s in the game.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            Just occurred to me that you’re talking a 5-2, not a 3-4. Those OLBs are called defensive ends.

          • Jhwig says:

            Not sure if you’re trying to be cute or what…but the prototypical OLB in a 3-4 is big. Example: clay Mathews for Green Bay. He’s between 250-260 lbs.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            I’d take Clay Mathews. Does he have any eligibility left?

          • Jhwig says:

            No but Deberry will have 4 years. That guy should end up at a playing weight of 250 lbs. DeBerry shows that OU is looking for longer, bigger athletes at LB….particularly OLB. DAY 1…Deberry will be one of the biggest LB on campus.

          • Charles Suggs says:

            Do we play Green Bay this year? Oh, they are in a different division.

          • Jhwig says:

            Clever. Thanks for adding something to the discussion.

          • JB says:

            And yet Mike Stoops version 2.0 recruits a whole bunch of DBs and expects them to play LB half the time…and does NOT attack very often from the 3-4 like it was designed for…

          • JB says:

            Didn’t I just tell you to quit making sense? You need to stop that and immediately pump sunshine. Get used to the following phrases: “Everything’s fine”, ” Nothing to see here, no problems exist”, “Stoops is an infallible coaching god and knows everything…”

            Work on it.

          • Steve Johns says:

            If you’re going by roster weight, don’t. Bolton is listed at 210 and he’s closer to 225 right now and could be 230 by spring practice. Most are heavier than listed.

          • Easton says:

            Thanks Steve.

        • hOUligan says:

          Very true. Dom thrown in as a frosh is pushing 230, as is JEvans. Tay is supposed to be talented. Getting Shannon and Stiker coming back for SR season is huge. Bond played well at times and has a year of exp. Everyone was excited to get Bolton. A lot of talent next season.

      • JB says:

        Whoa, Nellie! Quit making sense!

    • curt gomer says:

      Good point there, Remember just a few years ago we felt the same way about our DL? I even think how thin our defensive line was played a part in going to the 3-4. Now just a few years later when you look at whats coming in this years class our DL is a strength

    • Steve Johns says:

      Cade Parker LB from Norman will also be a R/S freshman next season.

  • MoJoOkie says:

    Question for the human resource types; who do we fire if Jefferson goes with ole miss?

  • hOUligan says:

    Have to believe the coaches have this. Monty and Gundy tweeting that ‘next week’ and ‘B**M’….there are some good things about to happen. Not going to get them all but feel pretty good about Neal and maybe Daniels. Think if OU gets McGinnis on campus next weekend Monty will seal him up. Good class already, no matter the finish but with a couple of additions, this could be a great class.

  • Daddy R says:

    I wish Norvell luck (well not really at Tejas I don’t), but I also found this comment a little humorous…

    “The things you see and everyone talks about with him is that he’s a great teacher, very detailed and organized, and HE REALLY DEVELOPS HIS PLAYERS.” – Charlie Strong

    That last part though..

  • bmrsnr says:

    Mike Farrell @rivalsmike
    A few things seem somewhat clear to me after weekend. Cowart is #WDE, Jefferson is #HottyToddy, Mack is #Longhorns — we shall see.
    4:05 PM – 25 Jan 2015

  • Defend Colfax says:

    I hope our linebackers on the roster are paying attention. You all have been called out. Make a play son.

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    If Van Jefferson commits to OU tonight…this thread will probably be pushed passed the 2,000 comments mark…

  • Docknoss says:

    Think how much of an Impact Van Jefferson could make in a Spread Offense and Baker Mayfield at the helm.

  • BloodRed says:

    Sick of the “chosen few” or should I say chosen fools who post threads on here trying to deny distract, dissuade “true sooners” from coming to this board to point out the many problems this Stoops program has not or will not address. Sick of the excuses about injuries…Being a favorite, being and underdog, playing an away game with a tough crowd waaaaa…Mommy give me ba ba….To the sunshine pumpers or those few Sooners who are on the fence I give you this…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiqVzUlXuMY Just watch the pre-game and then watch the game to see how a great coach decided that playing on the road w’o your top 2 players is insignificant to whether you win or lose.Also, I’d rather see a coach poo-poo his team during the week or before the season than the eternal sunshine blowing from stoops year in year out only to see his teams lose big games or lose to teams he shouldn’t be losing to. I see Stoops like to bring up players he did not have after a loss…Also idiotic responses will just mitigate more threads posted like this one until we have had this “true sooner” heart to heart. Thank You for reading & watching…BOOMER!

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      You need to be shown the door.

    • Easton says:

      There is a room for people who call out ‘fools’. This board isn’t one of those rooms.

    • JB says:

      Amen, brother. I ran out of all my sunshine after the Baylor humiliation. I can’t gloss over the myriad number of problems with this program and its staff. I can’t say “trust in Bob” when Bob has been quite a disappointment in recent years. If I did, it would be a disservice to the standard of excellence set by the alma mater and football program I love. I will never apologize for having high standards.

      • BloodRed says:

        JB It is an “Honor” to meet a true Sooner who cares deeply about the direction of this program…Kudos to you sir….

      • BloodRed says:

        Hey JB the ignorant bums who called me all sorts of names last night are at again…Sad & pathetic..

      • BloodRed says:

        Watching this game right now is so enjoyable watching 2 well coached teams go at it and both of them play their hearts out and the team that loses atleast they don’t look, lost, clueless and or giving up. They just found out they were not worthy of their ranking is all…No harm in that except a few bruised egos…LOL

    • BloodRed says:

      Love watching this game…A Motivational master just destroyed a great team in their “Own House” The Coliseum…..There is a difference between “better than most” and this…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUebmJjDuu8

  • Tucker says:

    There have been a lot of aggressive comments today. I feel like I missed something?

  • Jordan Esco says:

    Okay, everybody just settle down. Besides, my dad can totally kick your dad’s a$$.

    There’s a lot of people on edge right now and others who think those are overreacting. There’s probably some validity to both. So let’s all just take a breath.

  • kt-raida says:

    I believe the Sooners will have a tight right ship in 2015 the defense will be amazing with defensive freshman of the year Mbanasor, offense will have their groove back with a confusingly balanced attack. And OU will win it all with a 1 loss or undefeated season.

  • Jordan Esco says:

    re: Jefferson – Far as I know TFB is the only place that actually has anything directly from the kid himself, and you all obviously know that K has said regarding that conversation. So I’d probably put that ahead of “sources” or “I think…” type of stuff, but that’s just me.

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Twitter and the 24/7 recruiting coverage has really become detrimental in recruiting, IMO.

    For example, Jefferson visits OU. Twitter & recuiting sites blow up about him possibly committing to OU. He visits Ole Miss the next weekend, and now he’s getting blowback for having “a great visit” in Oxford. It’s one of the biggest decisions he’ll ever make and he’s only 18. Lots of pressure on his shoulders.

    If I was a highly touted recruit, I’d make my social media private and rarely give interviews. Much like Kendall Sheffield this year, I’d keep things close to the vest and not want all the attention.

    • Easton says:

      I’d just be trying to get out of high school, and to my dorm room, alive.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Recruiting was a lot easier to tolerate before social media, that’s all I know.

      • EasTex says:

        You ain’t never lied.

      • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

        A Sooner fan tweeted at Dwaine Thomas after he committed to TAMU: “enjoy your average program then, big boy. #zeroNCs #withorwithoutU #SOONERS”

        Thomas tweeted back “don’t be salty”

        Pretty sad watching grown adults ridicule recruits on social media.

        • Sooner Ray says:

          Grown has nothing to do with maturity. 🙂

        • boomersooner says:

          and on here. meltdown is too nice of a way to put it. but supposedly they know everything and think they can coach the team up right and we’re just “sunshine pumping, head in the sand golly gee willickers”

        • Easton says:

          That fuels something that I don’t like. Thats the aspect of social media that is such a wild card: people outside of the program buildings, paid staff, have the freedom to reach out and communicate quasi-directly with kids.

        • blaster1371 says:

          If that was even a sooner fan. The anominity of social media allows people to pose as whomever

    • EasTex says:

      I think it depends on the recruits. Some handle it better than others, and some have better counsel in their decision making process.
      But I see your point, as a person who values his privacy.

    • Steve Johns says:

      Many of these kids love the attention they’re getting from fans. It’s likely the most attention they’ll be getting during their college careers.

    • Hotrod33 says:

      Anybody can sabotage a team in recruiting and some do it well. I don’t have twitter and I rarely get on facebook because of the stupid people on it. I hope Jefferson comes to OU but it won’t be the end of the workd either. Different strokes for different folks.

  • SoonerPhins says:

    MFW a recruit pick another school over OU

  • Stephen says:

    Is recruiting therapist as real job yet? If not, I’ll definitely pioneer the field.

  • BloodRed says:

    And that my friends is how you defeat a team on the road. You stay patient, keep identifying their weakness and when you see an opening you go for the big play but first you EXECUTE then you will rejoice! What a game!

  • Easton says:

    We are not done! #JustWaitOnIt— Jay Boulware (@OU_CoachJay) January 26, 2015

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Wariboko doing an in-home with Stoops this week.

    I’ve always thought the longer it dragged out, the better our chances. He’s a great in-state prospect at a position of need

  • C.A. says:

    i really hope we get van jefferson and i still believe we have a chance with kyler murray if adrian peterson can leave the loan star state I’m sure he can to.

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    Jefferson to Ole Miss.. Damn.. Via Twitter..

  • Tom Turman says:

    It’s official…Jefferson tweeted that he has committed to Ole Miss…unbelievable

    • F1at1ined says:

      Wish I knew what Ole Miss is using to snag elite talent. I don’t want to believe its under the table cash incentives.

      • AlvinMack55 says:

        Freeze says it’s all hard work. I don’t buy that for a second.

      • Sooner Ray says:

        You can be honest with a recruit or you can tell them a lie, sometimes the lie sounds better. Then there are times when a girlfriend gets involved, who the hell knows how these things really go down.

    • hOUligan says:

      Ya know, have to wonder about the whole thing. Why couldn’t the kid just be honest and admit he had committed to UM when K asked him point blank.

  • Paul Lott says:

    Just heard van. To miss. On twitter

  • Stephen says:

    Coincidence? You tell me.

  • Exiled In Ohio says:

    Wonder if they will now have a scholarship for Darryl

  • Tom Turman says:

    Daishon Neal just tweeted that he will NOT be attending OU…

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Double whammy

  • cush creekmont says:

    Oh great…Jefferson deal is another dream gone bad

  • Tom Turman says:

    No Jefferson, no Neal…very likely no Josh Smith…holy crap we just drove the bus off of the cliff and there are no survivors…Sunday Bloody Sunday…

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    It’s like they got together and were like Lets both commit to other schools at the same time.

  • Sooner Ray says:

    *put’s on fire suit and grabs hose*

  • Easton says:

    “The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.” Breaking.

  • NewMex Gaucho says:

    Wow….when will we catch a break!

  • Exiled In Ohio says:

    The coaches still seem pretty positive … sure hope they know something!

  • Tim A says:

    Unbelievable

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Hard to get a stud WR like Jefferson without a WR coach.

    Just sayin’…

  • Tom Turman says:

    We are now in a flat spin…

    • paganpink says:

      Push on it to gain air speed and the rudder and control will come back to you and you can pull out.

  • Fear The Magic says:

    Fire Bob Fire Mike Fire Gundy Fire Bedenbaugh Fire Kish……wait Fire Kish twice Fire Boulware Fire Boren Fire Monty ( ok keep Monty maybe )

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    I feed bad for guys like K.. & other recruitniks.. These kids use you guys.. You think you have relationships with them.. But you really don’t.. They just use you to garner attention.. But that’s what recruiting has become the last 10 years… We used to not know anything about them until the day after signing day newspaper articles..

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      What makes you think those kids, especially Jefferson, used anybody? I’m willing to bet OU lead a few days ago. But a few days ago, Jefferson hadn’t been to Ole Miss yet (I don’t think). A first time visit can change things.

      • Jeremy Phillips says:

        He obviously told the Ole Miss people he was committing.. That’s why all that broke this afternoon… But when K asked he said No.. That happens all the time..

  • Tim A says:

    I will no longer believe any of the “positive” sounding reports on this site. You would have believed OU was getting both Jefferson and Neal. It is obvious there is a lot more wishful thinking here than there is any insight.

    • Stephen says:

      You mad, bro?

    • Fear The Magic says:

      k sorry but thats the most idiotic remark Ive seen in days. The guys that run this site to an AMAZING job of getting inside info here. They can just tell us what their sources tell them. To say something like its “wishful thinking ” is just ridiculous. You dont deserve TFB…..go to landsharks

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Yep, b/c this site was the only one stating as such. S#$% changes, these are teenagers you’re dealing with. But, sure, do whatever you need to do.

      • Tim A says:

        Jordan – I apologize and surely want you to know how much I appreciate the site and all you do. I live in MO and check this multiple times daily as a long-time and rabid Sooner fan. Was just very disappointed last night reading updates from phone – but understand no one would ever intentionally mislead of course. 18-year olds … ugh. Thank you.

    • leatherneck1061 says:

      Pretty sad having to up-vote your own comments

      • Tim A says:

        My bad. I was reading / typing from cell phone instead of computer and have very fat fingers. Didn’t mean to do this – was trying to see who else up voted which I thought you could see by pressing up arrow

  • 50312Sooner says:

    Gee, a couple weeks ago OU wasn’t in the conversation for either one of these guys and now the reaction is we’ll never field a competitive team again. Chill out. We’re Oklahoma, we’ll be fine.

  • blaster1371 says:

    whiff—–O for Two

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Saw this day going much different than it did. So the question now is where do we go from here?

  • Stephen says:

    BUST 405.

    Not really all that mad, though. More excited on what we have right now, especially on the Dline.

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    I’m just going to say to the guys that run this site Thank you. Thank you so much for the unbelievable job that you don’t get paid to do or have to do. I love your site.

  • Zack says:

    Well now is anyone worried about the negative momentum? I don’t feel good about any of the top recruits left so if we still take 26-28 guys I expect 5 of them to be guys I haven’t heard any real mention of for the last 6 months

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    Some kids need to be close to family for support.

  • JTrain51 says:

    Who knew when the OU coaches were tweeting out #justwaitonit they were speaking of complete and utter disappointment…….

  • Tim A says:

    Couldn’t agree more

  • Lane Gilstrap says:

    Go get John Houston jr and let’s forget about these two guys.

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    OU still has the 9th best class based on 3.58 star average. Still impact players out there. Sooners always flip somebody at the last minute. Remember Monty and C. Gundy are on the job!

  • Jeff says:

    This sucks, maybe there needs to be a head coaching change!

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    Perspective: We got in late with Jefferson. They other kid is DE who won’t play this year.

  • JTrain51 says:

    When you don’t have a wr coach, other schools are going to use that against you. When you have a lb coach that can’t recruit or develop players other schools don’t need to use that against you it has a tendency to get kids to commit to other schools all on it’s own.

    • D Hunter Sanchez says:

      To me Jefferson will be good. But he is no speed burner. We need speed like LR said. I want WRS that force db’s to play 10 yards off…

      • JTrain51 says:

        He’s a top 100 player in the nation. Yes OU could have definately used him. Did you see our receivers last year?

        • D Hunter Sanchez says:

          I saw Neal 4.5 and others who could not get separation. No doubt. But the sky isn’t falling.

          • JTrain51 says:

            At least you didn’t defend kish. I couldn’t have taken anything you said seriously after that.

  • OUknowitscomin says:

    Might be in minority, but wasn’t terribly excited about either of these guys.
    Would welcome them but certainly not losing sleep either

  • Jordan Esco says:

    Can we go ahead and take the conversation over here: https://thefootballbrainiacs.com/making-sense-of-neal-and-jefferson

    We’re pushing 1,700 comments & I think it’s just slowing everything down. There should also be an Open Post up tomorrow morning as well, just fyi. Then we can start things back up again over there.

    Thanks!

  • SoonerPhins says:

  • MrBigsby says:

    Fizzle