long Open Post | Thursday, July 10th (UPDATED 6:51 pm)

Image of David Long via 247 Sports

Site Note: Wanted to start with a kind reminder to everyone that we want to ensure our TFB community is one that is welcoming and civil. We love the group of readers we have on this site, and we enjoy reading the many insightful comments. And we also welcome debate and disagreement. What we want to avoid is creating a place where anyone’s comments are belittled. My (K) father taught me a lot and two pieces of advice he gave me when I was young are relevant here: (1) a gentleman peels his apple in private (2) and in public, when someone disagrees with you, respond with the tone and language you would use if the disagreement was with Mike Tyson (1980’s Mike Tyson).

Even though we’re all in the privacy of our own homes or offices (or wherever you may be), let’s conduct ourselves the way we would if were in the presence of one another. And if someone disagrees with you or you disagree with someone, state your contrary opinion without any attacks or even subtle condescending tones. If you believe someones assessment is wrong, please state your opinion and leave out the “Really?” or “Are you serious?” or “Wow” or anything that unnecessarily belittles a person’s opinion.

For the most part this hasn’t been an issue. In fact, it’s been great. But just want to remind everyone, including ourselves, so that it will continue as such.

David Long: Yesterday Josh Helmholdt (https://twitter.com/JoshHelmholdt) of Rivals.com tweeted out that LB David Long from Ohio will be visiting Oklahoma this month. We checked in with David last night, and confirmed that he will be taking an unofficial visit to OU on July 21st. We’ll have more on David later, and we’ll try to offer up some general thoughts on his film. At first glance, he looks like he triggers really well and looks physical inside. But at only 5’11” 209 lbs, one has to wonder whether he can hold the weight you’d like to see in a 3-4 ILB. Weight isn’t necessarily the end all be, all but it’s a starting point for discussion. Either way the little bit of film we glanced at yesterday looked good.

Justin Reid: Yesterday one of our readers sent us a direct message asking about Justin Reid, specifically noting that a couple of 247 analysts had recently “crystal ball’d” Reid to OU. Justin is a talented safety prospect out of Geismar, Louisiana and if you’re wondering about his name, he is the brother of former LSU safety Eric Reid. We actually mentioned Justin on the site about two months ago (here  – 4th paragraph down). Reid has been contact with the OU coaches for a few months now. Coach Wright actually visited him during the spring evaluation period. Though, as we noted previously, an offer wasn’t extended because OU has been waiting on Will Sunderland and Kahlil Haughton. We’ll see what we can dig up and find out if OU might be looking to offer Reid. If so, that might be an indication that something we mentioned in the the old post linked above, namely that OU may not be willing to be as patient with Sunderland as they were with Parker.

Jake Pickard: Some of you may recall us talking an awful lot about DE/TE Jake Pickard a few months back. For those of you who are like us and just enjoy seeing good football players go from no offers to many offers, wanted to give y’all an update on Pickard. He didn’t have a single D-I scholarship when we first introduced him on our site. He now has 13 D-I offers including schools like Oregon, Purdue, Nebraska and several others. In fact this week he picked up an offer from the Wisconsin Badgers.

PJ Mbanasor & Will Sunderland at the Opening: Yesterday we posted some of the WR vs. DB 1-on-1 reps from The Opening:

Some of you voiced some concerns about how the OU targets looked. And I want to reiterate what some others have said, which is that not a lot of conclusions can be drawn from a couple isolated reps in a camp setting where the WR has way more space to work in than they ever would in a live game setting. But for fun let’s take a little closer look at some of the reps taken by OU targets.

PJ Mbanasor

1st rep: PJ had a couple reps on the video at 2:39 & 3:21 marks respectively. The first at 2:39 is versus Da’Vante Phillips. Phillips is a well trained WR out of Miami that plays with the Florida Fire, who I had a chance to see practice this past fall. When Phillips comes off the line, he looks like he’s going to run a go (straight up the field) or some kind of an out route. PJ’s eyes are in the right place, and he identifies the route and slows his backpedal, closes the gap, then starts to open up as Phillips does the same. Mbanasor is in great position to drive on anything outside or run with Phillips.

Additionally, you love to see him play the route so that he can play the ball. As Phillips stops and turns, Mbansor flips his hips in the other direction. It appears he thought Phillips was going to give him an inside route. Had he simply broken down and drove on the ball, he’s in perfect position to make the play. So here, while Mbanasor lost the route, he does a lot of good things and nothing stands out as a red flag. In off-coverage he looks very comfortable judging his space. He’s clearly trying to identify the route and play the ball.

2nd rep: The second rep is at 3:21. Preston, a Tennessee commit, is one of the many reasons you like a big CB. He’s a big receiver that can run. PJ puts his hand on him early trying to prevent him from getting the inside release. While he isn’t able to do so, he’s big enough and strong enough to push Preston off his route and then squeeze him. Towards the end of the route, Mbanasor shows another thing I really love about him. He makes plays. More specifically, when he sees the route, he takes off his man and puts himself in a position to play the ball. Additionally, he has the short area explosion to close and bat the ball down. What you’d like to see him do is use his feet more immediately after his initial jam.

Will Sunderland

1st rep: Will’s first rep comes at 1:29. Don’t know much about the receiver he goes against, Trent Irwin. Will is playing off here which, as mentioned earlier, isn’t the easiest thing for a DB in general, especially in 1-on-1 situations with so much space on the field. Preston makes a very sharp turn out and doesn’t give Will much indication what he’s doing early on. Preston seems to round the route a little early, and you can see Will start to shift his balance for a moment as he reads it but then second guesses himself. And like a true safety, not wanting to give up anything deep, he gives ground and doesn’t open up. In my estimation, the two problems of note here are that (1) he doesn’t let the receiver come to him. He’s giving up way to much ground to compete. And (2) he actually opens up pretty quickly after Preston stems and opens, but he doesn’t have enough explosion to really drive and close that gap even remotely.

2nd rep: The second rep is at 5:06. Will goes against TE and Kentucky commit, CJ Conrad. Conrad is a big kid at 6’5″ 230 lbs, but obviously doesn’t have the athleticism of a slot WR. Will again is giving to much ground and not letting the receiver come to him. He would have no problem turning and running with Conrad, and he’s gotta trust that. Once he sees Conrad break down, he drives on the ball but takes two false steps and isn’t able to close any of the distance. He also rounds his drive which costs him another extra step.

Again, nothing in these two reps changed our opinion of either player. We’ve always felt good about Mbanasor’s ability, and he didn’t do anything to help or hurt our assessment of him. Will has been someone we’ve long had questions about, but again nothing in these two reps did anything to help or hurt our assessment of him. Both are good athletes and these two isolated reps in a camp setting shouldn’t alarm anyone who is a fan of either player’s game, or assuage any concerns you may have about either player.

UPDATE (6:51 pm): Saw this tweet from ESPN’s Jeremy Crabtree and thought y’all would like it:

PJ’s team, the Landsharks, made it to the finals so y’all can watch him play in the 7 on 7 final this evening. OU target Justin Reid, is on the opposing team.


  • DrZemus

    Always appreciate the info, thanks!

    • Jordan Esco

      thank you for reading!

  • BigJoeBrown

    I really like how these past few open post you have included updates on recruits and how the process is coming along with them. Once again, well done TFB!!!

    • Super K

      Thank you! :)

  • SoonerPhins

    Well if Justin is as good as his Brother then OU needs to offer him quickly

  • PLAW0720

    I enjoyed your analysis and how you breakdown the finer technique details. Great job, K.

    • Super K

      Thanks!

  • Zack

    Mikes still got it

  • Gary Robbins

    Has anyone heard or seen this article about an OU gridiron twitter account. I’m not into Twitter but I clicked on what they highlighted in red and it seems interesting. Is it an official and legit twitter account? TFB is my 1st site for everything OU but I do lurk on other sites. Thanks for all your info and my grandma used to say that if you can’t say something good about somebody don’t say anything.
    https://oklahoma.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1657728

  • John Garner

    Thanks again! Always enjoy an open post. When you get a chance, can you update us on Orlando Brown? Understand he was enrolled in 2 classes to get eligible. Hope that went or is going well.

  • J.K. Abbott

    Fans need not put too much stock into how a DB performs in one on ones in a “prospect camp” setting. The WR has a huge advantage but most importantly the wr knows he isn’t going to get shelled or cut in half when and after he catches the ball. I’ve seen a lot of pass skel champions die on the vine come fall for the same reasons.

    • Kody K.

      Yea, but it’s still fun to critique the subtleties of their game. Plus, it can confirm some of the nuances that were noticed in their live film.

    • Super K

      Can players hit anymore on the gridiron? haha! If they can’t…I know McKinley Whitfield didn’t get the memo :)

      • J.K. Abbott

        I love me some Whitfield. He breaks on the ball with a bad attitude and pi$$ed off. Vicious! My kind of kid.

  • Sooner Ray

    Those one on one drills suck for the DB. I remember doing them years ago and I hated it. The receiver has no one to restrict or redirect their path and the QB can literally just stand and wait for a step of separation and make the throw. The best chance the D has to make a play is if the receiver slips or the throw is bad. I would rather analyze the game tape.

    • Zack

      Thanks for pointing out the fact that the qb is under no pass rush and probably doesn’t have a time limit to make the throw. It may be hard to see over the one guy kneeling where the linemen would be.

      • Gary Robbins

        Yeah-Sooner Ray has a point. I might be able to complete a pass if it wasn’t much over 20 yards! I think I read somewhere a while back that Sunderland wanted to announce on ESPN his commitment.

        • Zack

          I don’t want to hate to much on Sunderland but I’m not a fan right now. I would like to watch a game this year to see how he looks in person. The kid reminds me of nic harris and gabe Lynn which isn’t a bad thing just low intangibles. I’m ok with Sunderland as long as we still get whitfield.

          • Gary Robbins

            Isn’t Whitfield going to an Arkansas camp in July. I wonder if they offer will he commit?

          • Zack

            I don’t think he would but he may commit if he feels like ou is passing him up for other guys. But whitfield is better than all the others they are close on IMO.

  • Jared William Reininger

    1 on 1 drills to me are 100% about watching technique. I mean the receiver should catch the ball every time. But it is about watching where the DB is when the ball is thrown or caught. Without any help a corner is going to get shredded. He can’t roll a receiver to the inside or push him to the sidelines as easily. But great breakdowns K! Best thing about this site is that everyone has a true passion for the game. and it shows!

    • Super K

      Agree. Technique is paramount in those drills. Ashton Preston’s father sent me some great 1 on 1s of him from camps this summer. He’s but putting in a lot of work and it shows. Just beautiful technique. Very clean…it’s like looking at great art. David Richardson is also another guy I love to watch for the same reason but he’s also an explosive athlete. Really would like to see OU start to talk to him.

  • hOUligan

    Preach it, TFB. Can get a plenty of posturing at the other sites. It’s one more thing that sets this site apart and would love to keep it respectful of everyone and all viewpoints. Does Long project at safety/NB? Am waiting for a piece on current LB recruit prospects like the other pieces. Important position for OU as not a ton of depth, especially ILB.

    • Gary Robbins

      Read somewhere OU is now in the top 5 for Anthony McKee ,lb out of Columbus, Ohio. fwiw . Don’t know much about him though.

      • hOUligan

        Another guy in the 200# range but decent length at 6-1+. Seems to be a MichS lean. Haven’t watched him but MichS D is solid so McKee must be able to play.

        • Super K

          You’re like me! Michigan State offer is that one offer that actually catches my attention.

        • Gary Robbins

          Thanks-would like to have him along with another Anthony (Wheeler) and Ricky Deberry.

      • Super K

        Talked to him way back. Will have to go back and look at my notes. Need to get some tape from him or his coach.

        • Gary Robbins

          Thanks-would appreciate that. It seems every time you do a write up or an evaluation on a recruit their offers really seem to blow up( also JY). Let’s see Jaylon Lane,Jake Pickard, McKinley Whitfield., etc. But don’t quit please.

    • http://batman-news.com Mr. Jones

      Doesn’t help for this year, but seems like OU is in really solid position with a couple of highly rated 2016 LB’s – Caleb Kelly and Brendan Ferns. That being said, who knows what could happen/change by the time they’re signing day rolls around.

    • Ace Rix

      Agree but after reading some of the trashy high school comments regarding the DgB affair I lamented that this board had deteriorated just like the others. Hopefully the mods will control.

      • Super K

        apologies about that. Some days it’s difficult for us to pull away from work but we’ll try to be a little more vigilant about it.

        • Sooner Ray

          Hell K, If you start having to mod everything we’ll have to give you a raise. We could just shoot you an e-mail if someone gets way out of line. :-)

          • ToatsMcGoats

            I’ve had my moments…some of the “Really” and “Wow” comments were most assuredly mine. I am pretty passionate about OU as well. I tend to get pretty rattled when I feel as though someone is either attacking someone on this board undeservedly (ala the Tech invasion earlier in the year), or when people are ragging on a kid.

          • Sooner Ray

            I don’t ever worry about you Toats, I’ve been around you long enough (here and other places) to know how you operate,,HAHA, I’m right with you when there is a troll attack or an uncalled for attack on a youngster. They just want this sight to remain friendly and informational and that’s great. There will always be brief moments of rage from time to time but so far it’s been handled pretty well. I’ve got other places I go when I want to jump all over people, sometimes it’s just fun to do. :-)

          • ToatsMcGoats

            Haha! That’s a good idea! I think I’ll go make an account on a couple of other pages just to get it out of my system. This page is too important to me to get booted!

            One more thing, I may not agree with some of these people who are regular posters on this board, and sometimes I may even argue with them. But if someone comes in from other fan pages and starts harassing them, you can bet I’ll be right in the middle of them! Sometimes I just can’t help myself!

          • SoonerGoneEast

            That was pretty classy of K not to mention you specifically, but we all knew who he was talking about. ( ;

          • Sooner Ray

            HAHAHA!

          • ToatsMcGoats

            *_*

          • soonerinks

            Toats, it’s all good. Greatly enjoy your posts.

        • Perry Dickey

          Appreciate your apology but, there is really no need as you have made your request more than once very plain. If an internet chest pumper begins to trash up the purity of this most informative and entertaining site, they obviously don’t honor you guys effort.

        • Ace Rix

          Fully understand.
          Cannot give you enough kudos for insightful FB information you provide.
          Incredible and unique.

          Guess that would be a full time job trying to control the “internet chest pumper”. Sigh…

  • EasTex

    Was always taught to disagree without being disagreeable.
    I’m passionate about the Sooners, just like every one here. On several occasions I have found the “edit” button is my friend.

    • Perry Dickey

      If TFB posters uphold this most honorable request. I will regain so much hope for the world which I’ve lost, wading through the ‘I’ve got to be right’ vultures from every other fan site I am acquainted with. This place is such a breath of fresh air!

      • Sooner Ray

        It is quite different, unique, and refreshing at times.

        • Zack

          It’s definitely refreshing it’s one reason I come here over anywhere else. Like toats said if the trolls get in here we try to make sure they know it’s not cool. This site allows for posters to get their thoughts out and often has positive feed back from the regulars.

  • SoonerfanTU

    (2) and in public, when someone disagrees with you, respond with the
    tone and language you would use if the disagreement was with Mike Tyson
    (1980′s Mike Tyson).

    I would talk all kinds of crap to him, b/c one punch, though it might hurt like heck, is going to line my pockets with cash for a long time. Assuming he has any cash left. Actually, as I type that, I think Tyson is broke. So never mind, I’d speak to Mr. Tyson like he were the pastor at my church. :)

  • TheFuerte

    Safeties Haughton, Reid, Sunderland, Johnson:

    None of these guys seem to be locks, and a couple seem to be polarizing to some of those posting.

    1) which actual spots on the field are these guys being recruited for? (Roy, fs, ss, nickel)
    2) where do these guys rank on the coaches board?
    3) where would these kids rank on your own board?

    I have to wonder if Johnson goes elsewhere if that opens things up for Whitfield. It seems to me Haughton, Sunderland, and Reid may all be looked at for the same position.

    • Zack

      That’s a great question. It’s crazy how many safeties we are in on but not as much luck right now with corners. From what the brainiacs posted the other day is that some believe whitfield can play corner. I think haughton could probably do the same. I would recruit both as safeties though because I love their awareness and feel for the game. And Reid plays a lot like they do as well. I think jamile would be better in a defense that is primarily zone and one that likes quarters style. He has good instincts I think but doesn’t cover ground as quickly as others. Sunderland could be a solid safety but I don’t think he’s going to wow anyone with big hits or interceptions.

    • Super K

      Johnson talked about going somewhere else early on but I don’t think those other options exist for him. He’s being looked at for the NB position. Haughton seems to be focused on OU, Baylor and Tech right now. He’s probably a field safety in our scheme. They probably want Sunderland as the boundary safety. Not sure about Reid but he’s pretty complete.

      • Zack

        How would you rank the safeties we are after this year including the 2 pending offers Reid and whitfield? Or do you guys have a series planned like was done with the oline prospects?

        • ToatsMcGoats

          Great question! I’d love to see a write up ala JY’s rankings of OU’s linemen targets, but for the secondary guys!

          • Zack

            I know they did one for corners

          • ToatsMcGoats

            After I posted this I started thinking, and you’re right. I guess I’ve drank a few since then *_*

  • http://batman-news.com Mr. Jones

    Are there any recruits we’ve got a legit chance at that is set to commit before the season starts?

    Also, who do you think is most likely to keep the Cali recruiting chain going? My initial thought is Stanley Norman?

    • Super K

      Yes, a few guys will be making their choices before the summer and a few could be…Danley, Cody Ford, Akamnonu, Tyrell Jacobs, Haughton…maybe others I’m forgetting but those guys have all at least indicated that they’d like to decide before the summer is over…though no guarantee that will be the case or that it will be OU. Anthony Wheeler also said that he might. Yes, I think Stanley is the most likely right now.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDUvqXK4DEM DCinAZ

        Probably Humphrey too.

  • DrBoomerSooner

    Trent Irwin was out there eating everyone’s cookies.

  • Will Narramore

    Somebody forgot to tell this guy that its supposed to be easier for the WRs in the 1 on 1s https://vine.co/v/MPI2aX2ZhlB

    • Super K

      yikes!

  • Jackson1006

    As a point of reference/ comparison, does anyone have links to clips where Steven Parker was at a similar camp last year? He is a safety that on film covers SO much ground but the context of these camp matchups are indeed different.

    • Super K

      Unfortunately we don’t but perhaps on 247, Rivals or Scout they’ll have some. I can say that Parker is a superior cover guy in my estimation. Parker could legitimately play CB.

  • rphdenton
    • ToatsMcGoats

      $ wall

  • thenames_H

    Been reading since the site went up but my first time posting. Saw that SoonerScoop reports Ykili Ross is for sure taking an OV to OU. Has a date been set? Also any word on Scrappy Norman? Would we take both if Humphrey or Newsome commit?

    • Kody K.

      Glad to have you posting, H. I would say yes to your last question. Just my opinion.

    • Doobie74OU

      I think when it gets closer to NSD and the open spots get fewer and fewer then OU will have some tough decisions because it probably will not come down to two players of the same position that they have to choose between. They may have one spot left and a OL, LB, CB, or Safety that want it and they will have to decide not only the best player but also the most valuable to OU at the time! WR could be a spot they go pretty thin on this year based on last years class and recent developments, while OL & LB are big areas of need. So unless a WR is just head and shoulders above say a ILB that both want the same spot OU may have to lean more toward the ILB. IMO!

    • Super K

      Thanks for the post bud! Yeah his father told us that Ykili would take an official to OU back in April. You can see the note in this link: http://thefootballbrainiacs.com/?p=3870 It’s a little ways down in there…paragraph 10 or 11.

    • Super K

      And here is a recent recruiting note about Stanley Norman as well: http://thefootballbrainiacs.com/?p=5386

  • Doobie74OU

    I wonder if the Deandre Clark situation from last year is playing into OU not waiting around for Sunderland this year. We were thought to be in a good spot for Clark but it just kept being drawn out and becoming more and more a spectacle. I don’t know Sunderland at all and got nothing against him but he does seem to like the “pageantry of it all”. Wants to announce late and on ESPN. I think if he waits to long then OU will have filled his spot. Probably with a pretty good Safety!!!

    • Super K

      Well OU hasn’t pulled the trigger on any safeties yet so they may very well wait. But from what I gather they aren’t nearly as high on Sunderland as they were on Parker. They wanted Parker bad.

      • Doobie74OU

        Yeah I don’t think he is near at Parker’s level on the wish list and not even at Jalin Barnett’s level this year!

  • Jordan Esco
    • Doobie74OU

      I personally hope he is listening a little closer to Peyton than Eli. I’m a bigger fan of the “Master of the Offense” approach over the “Chuck and Duck” approach. JK All joking aside is always great to see a young man continuing to work at his craft! I’m glad he is taking advantage of the opportunity!

    • EasTex

      Glad to see TK at this camp.
      At the same time, it is tough to see Archie walking with a cane. I remember watching him when he was at Ole Miss.

    • CcrBoomer
  • BoomerNation

    Desean Holmes top 3

    Ou Wazzu Usc

    He may have qualification issues

    • Zack

      If he’s got qualification issues then I’m sure it’s harder to get into USC or Washington if your academics are questionable.

    • Super K

      Nice! He told us recently that he would take an OV to OU for the Baylor game. We posted it here: http://thefootballbrainiacs.com/?p=5331

  • EasTex

    So, will the Opening ever show any of the things the big boys are doing?
    All the 7 on 7 stuff is fine, but gets a little boring.

    • Super K

      haha there is actually a video on YouTube with some 1 on 1s of the big boys. Will have to find that for you and link it tomorrow

      • EasTex

        I appreciate that.
        Now I will have to go look for it.

      • EasTex

        Now that’s what I’m talking about.

  • Jordan Esco
  • Cory Reedy

    Just to try and reiterate your take on P.J. Mbanasor….I live 10 minutes from Pflugerville, TX and Hendrickson High School. The home of P.J. and Alma-Mater of OU Freshman that is making waves, Samaje Perine. Mind you, I spent my first 33 years in Oklahoma and know about OK HS football, but Hendrickson is a large Texas HS and has a TON of talent. If their QB doesn’t go down last year in the first round of the playoffs, they probably win a state title. P.J. is big…and he’s the fastest guy on that loaded, Texas, large high school team. That is saying something. He is a special athlete and I CAN’T WAIT to see him in an OU uniform “Bringing The Wood”.

    • Super K

      Thanks for the feedback and insight Cory! Hendrickson does have some great talent. Keshawn Somerville is an extremely electric 2016 DB on the team as well. Pflugerville HS actually has some talented players as well, but like a lot of players in Austin…raw. You’ll find more polished athletes in Dallas and Houston because of the resources.

  • Super Keith

    I may have been guilty of the “Really?!” comment once or twice. If I am, I apologize. I never get worked up over message board/comments, but it’s hard to convey ‘tone of voice’ in text.

    • Super K

      No prob bro. We definately don’t want to be nit picky either. At a certain point we’ve all got to just take things in stride. We just know that once a place gets hostile…its hard to go back. So we’re being a little overly careful about it.

  • Zack

    If anyone has video of mbanasor killing the opening please share.

  • Zack

    I think it’s obvious kyler Murray wants Christian Kirk at tamu he’s throwing to him every time from what I can tell.

  • Jordan Esco

    Kahlil McKenzie commits to Tennessee (as expected)

    • Gary Robbins

      That was sad but expected. Also offensive tackle and OU offer Andre James just committed to UCLA as expected. That’s 2 ot’s off our list this week.

  • Kevin Fielder

    Just saw where Khalil McKenzie just committed to Tenn.

  • Zack

    Jaylon lane and justin Reid vs mbanasor and soso in the 7 on 7 final.

  • Chris White

    UCLA is very fortunate to get that in state dude Alize Jones. He’s a TE that moves like a slot receiver.

  • EasTex

    A good piece over at SB Nation.

    • Zack

      Very long article. Read about half pretty interesting need to rest up to read the 2nd half.