Coaching Changes Update

I know a lot of you are itching to know more about what, if any, changes will still be made on the coaching front. I haven’t been overly vocal as far as what I’ve heard over the past couple months for various reasons, the most obvious of which is that things can change.

I’m sure you all had been hearing, like we had, for a long time that Bobby Jack Wright would be retiring and likely taking another role with the program. But the announcement continued to be pushed back to the point that no matter how strong a source is, you start questioning if it was really going to happen this time (as it had obviously been rumored for a couple years now).

I say all that to say this; I’m going to share a few things I’ve heard, because I had it corroborated by someone who has been dead on throughout this whole process. So I’m just trying to share with you some of what I’ve heard. Mainly because it’s from what I consider to be a reliable source, but also because we know that you want to know what’s going on and there is so little in the way of information currently available. We’re continuing to strive to approach these changes, and all the talk/rumors/that come along with them, in the most responsible way possible. We’re not looking to just throw out idle speculation just for the sake of doing so.

With that said, here is some of what we’ve been hearing.

– Most of you may have noticed that we have not been mentioning Tim Kish in any of the Open Posts lately. The fact is I have not spoken to a recruit for some time who has told me Kish has been in communication with them. Perhaps this is just a coincidence, or maybe I’m just not talking to the right kids. But his, at least, perceived absence from the recruiting scene only adds to what we’ve been hearing for quite some time, which is that it’s unlikely Kish will be coaching at OU next season.

– When that change may occur, officially? I don’t know. We keep hearing after Signing Day is possible, but then you go back to the Coach Wright deal. And we started to believe that change might not come until after NSD as well, but it was obviously made official earlier this week. So if I’m being perfectly honest, at this point, I don’t know when you can expect to hear something regarding Kish.

If he’s not actively recruiting kids, as would appear to be the case, then I’m not really sure I see any particular reason for the delay. But Bob clearly has his reasons, so we just continue to wait.

– I have been told that during the meeting we reported occurred between Stoops and David Boren a few weeks back (not the subsequent meeting that occurred only a week or two ago, but an earlier meeting that we reported), the two discussed the standard at Oklahoma being no less than competing for national championships. That this could not be met with the current staff and that changes obviously had to be made.

– I have heard for a while now that one of those changes would be Mike Stoops as the defensive coordinator. Early on, as far back as a month or two ago, I had heard there was a very real chance Mike would either leave or take another position within the program. However, this just seemed very unlikely to me.

When we found out he was interviewing for the LSU job, then it seemed clear there was at least some merit to what we’d been told. Shortly thereafter, though, Mike had his defensive coordinator title changed to co-dc when Bob announced Jerry Montgomery’s promotion.

It’s also worth noting Mike’s presence on the recruiting side of things, and the fact he has planned in-home visits this week and next. More and more in observing what was happening and talking to various sources, it seemed that whatever change was going to happen regarding Mike had already happened. Namely, that he would simply be a co-DC as opposed to the lone guy in charge of the defense.

However, I was informed last night that changes regarding Mike may not necessarily be done. There is still a possibility (emphasis on possibility, because at this point no matter how sure someone is when they tell me…it still just seems somewhat inconceivable Bob would make a change with his brother) that Mike could be moved into some other type of role within the program. Whether that is as a position coach, or a quality control position, or some type of position they create for him, the details of which have obviously yet to be decided (assuming, of course, that’s even the direction they ultimately decide to go).

Again, this doesn’t necessarily mean Mike is going anywhere, or that he won’t be OU’s co-DC next season. That hasn’t been decided yet. Bob could just as easily decide that Mike, along with help from Montgomery, is the guy to get things turned around. We’re simply relaying what we’ve heard for those of you out there who had already written off the possibility, however slim it may or may not be, of anything changing with regards to the DC position.

– We addressed the DBs coach spot yesterday on the site, and we’re continuing to work on tracking down some of the names being considered for the WRs coach opening. But there’s just very little out there right now other than mostly speculation.

One name you can take off any potential list, however, is Dave Nichol, who worked with new OU offensive coordinator Lincoln Riley at ECU. Nichol will be named Riley’s replacement as the new OC at Eastern Carolina.

448 Comments

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    Been waiting! Thanks, K!

  • Exiled In Ohio says:

    It’s amazing to me that the football program is able to keep so much under wraps, given how many people are shaking the bushes for info.

  • Bluegrass Sooner says:

    Thanks, K! It is nice to hear something. I am excited to see the direction Coach Stoops goes with some of these possible changes. It is nice to see some new perspectives and new faces. I think these changes will bring a high level of excitement to surround this great program!

  • Jason MIdkiff says:

    I think one reason BJW before signing day and not Kish is M. Stoops coaches DB’s as well. So there is not an absence of a DB coach. If we had 4 guys signed its one things to keep them signed like WR its another to recruit them.

  • Easton says:

    Thanks a lot. Rough going on not getting much in the way of new information. This is definitely Bob’s deal, and he is navigating and reflecting.

  • OUn8v says:

    Thanks for the info, K.

  • CKill1 says:

    Most of us here appreciate your integrity and discretion AT LEAST as much as your information, K. Thanks again!

  • ccmosaic says:

    So, is it possible that we do not hire a Secondary coach but rather move Mike to that position coach and then go all in on a LB/Co-DC?

    • Zack says:

      I doubt that would happen at mikes salary. But the guy to watch for this scenario to play out is Jim leavit. However I don’t think bob believes mike is the issue…they won’t admit it but the changes on defense last season just didn’t work. Wilson should have played safety while Byrd and Thomas saw even less snaps (maybe played nickel instead) and they should have tried to play Jordan Thomas from day one. The striker/Grissom move didn’t work but that may have been due to the fact the secondary was Swiss cheese.

    • CcrBoomer says:

      wow that would be a huge mistake. He has already shown for 3 years he doesn’t have a clue on how to defend the spread

  • Greg sparks says:

    Dang, how the heck you all know another post so quick!! Bob isn’t gunna let his bro go..

  • paganpink says:

    Thanks for a realistic update, K. I’m sure that some of the reason there is nothing solid coming out is that it is all still in a state of flux and therefore Bob Stoops himself probably doesn’t know right now exactly how it will all shake out. They are undoubtedly interviewing coaches and fishing to see who is interested. Depending on who it is available they may change their plans even now as to who goes where.

  • Jhwig says:

    OU is NOT going to pay Mike 900K and demote him to quality control. I have a very hard time believing anything in this post. You do not demote primary coordinator positions. You fire them, retire or resign to take another position.

    • Clint Lenard says:

      YEAH! SO THERE! YA BIG JERKS!

    • Jordan Esco says:

      So one aspect of what was shared negates the entire post? Not sure I’m following that logic.

      • Jhwig says:

        I’ll edit. I have a hard time believing anything in the post from the halfway point down. The Kish info seems to support the common knowledge that he’s probably gone.

    • Hollerback says:

      They demoted Brent Venerables….

      • Jhwig says:

        No, he resigned and took another position upon realizing he was being demoted.

        • JR says:

          Who is to say that wouldn’t happen again? Fact is he was being demoted and was willing to stay until another opportunity came that he felt he had to take. Under that same notion, Mike has been demoted as he is now a CO-DC and not just DC.

          • Jhwig says:

            Title only. No true demotion. He still gets paid almost a million bucks and will still control the defense and call plays. I’m talking about a true demotion like what’s being suggested by this report. It would be career suicide for a fairly young DC at a D1 program that was once a HC at another D1 program to take a demotion as a position coach or quality control position. That’s why Mike would resign before a true “demotion” and why Venables resigned and took the Clemson job.

            If Mike accepts a full demotion to position coach, quality control or admin role…I’ll come here and eat crow. But it’s SOOO unbelievable.

          • LongBomber says:

            TIme will tell one way or another…..
            Not saying I’m a mindless robot who believes everything he sees, reads, or hears, but I have found the inforamtion on this site to be spot-on more times than not.

          • MoJoOkie says:

            In some instances, some is better than none. I’m not saying it will happen, but I’m certainly not going to say it won’t. Pay cut and demotion isn’t the worst case scenario.

  • normanite says:

    If Kish isn’t recruiting kids — and let’s be honest, even when he was recruiting he wasn’t — why not name a new LB coach ASAP so they can make a splash and get some guys before NSD? The delay makes no sense in my mind.

    • thebigdroot says:

      Whether it makes sense to us doesn’t really matter. Being in the position I’m in I’ve had to learn there is a lot of back door talks, negotiations, and discussions that cannot be allowed to get out to the general “workforce/public” due to legal ramifications. I suspect a lot more willl come out after all the movements have concluded.

    • soonerschooner says:

      Maybe they are trying to let him find a job so he can announce that and let him save face.

  • Doobie74OU says:

    Speculation Alert! How would we feel if they moved Mike Stoops to Associate Head Coach, hired a Co-Defensive Coordinator (Ed Orgeron would have been nice before LSU got him) that also coached Linebackers, a new Secondary coach ( I liked the Buckley name from yesterday) and similar young up and coming coach for WR that is young energetic (perhaps former NFL player) and a great recruiter!

    • Katyboomer says:

      I like it!

    • John Garner says:

      Yeah, some former NFL guys would be awesome! Instant cred with recruits.

      • Doobie74OU says:

        Amen! Wouldn’t hurt if the Buckley hire did happen( which helps Florida and other SEC area recruiting) that the WRs coach also was from that area or the west coast to further bolster our presence in those 2 spots. I still think we got Texas pretty covered with BJW staying at OU in some fashion, the relationships the other coaches have built over the years, and with the addition of a Texas guy like Riley!

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      Bob, is that you? Don’t let your plans out just yet.

  • roygbell says:

    I can’t buy the idea that Monty being promoted to Co DC helps Mike or the defense. Logic tells you that Monty already had input into the defense as the DL coach. My guess is the Monty to Co-DC is to pay him more and with a title in order to help keep him at OU.

    I have always thought Kish would be gone and still think so. You simply can’t afford to have an average LBer coach who can’t recruit on your staff. That is what has gotten Bob to where he is today. With both Kish and Wright [who has sure pulled his weight all these years] Bob has a chance to bring two young coaches who can recruit.

    That is what makes sense and what I think will happen.

    • Clint Lenard says:

      I’m sure Monty getting a better title and pay was to keep him around. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was done to mold him into a true DC. But you can’t blame the guy for anything that happened with the Defense this year. Those were on Mike.

    • Super Keith says:

      You could be right, there’s no way to know since none of us are in the meeting rooms. However it is possible that Stoops told Mike that Monty was going to have just as much input on the overall scheme and that Mike had to live with it. I’m sure Mike let Monty control the D-line and make those calls, but I seriously doubt he had input elsewhere. Hopefully he does now.

  • Katyboomer says:

    maybe they already know who the coaches are that are coming and the current school the coaches are coming from wont let them go or say anything until after NSD. Stoops doesn’t want it to look like we have no staff to the player’s so that other schools can use it against us. why not just keep the guys around until after NSD, then make the changes. that’s my thoughts.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Pretty good theory.

    • Super Keith says:

      That’s been the M.O. in the past, and seems like a really good way to do things. You don’t want to mislead kids (and I don’t think they would), but you also don’t want other schools using that as a selling point to get a recruit.

  • Josh says:

    I am in favor of Coach Kish leaving for sure but I am a huge fan of Coach Mike and hope he gets the chance to stick around and turn this thing around with his brother, not defending him but just saying as a fan of the man. If he stays and is going to be successful 1 of 2 things must happen, either he needs to go back to his 4-3 Defense and adjust things for it to have success in the spread offense world, or the 2 coaches they bring in need to be 3-4 experts. If they stay 3-4, I would personally like to see them bring in 2 LB coaches, one inside and one outside and have Mike and Bob be all over the back end. Mike Stoops knows how to coach the secondary, look at the kids he has turned out, doesn’t happen by accident. I think the talent level on that side of the ball has plummeted from the glory days. If you look at the last 2 years starting defenses compared to the early 2000s Sooner defenses I think you get 2 guys, Striker and Colvin, that could have cracked the starting 11.

    • Clint Lenard says:

      To be fair, Striker was really good in High School, but I don’t think Mike gets credit for him.

      As for Colvin, he was good before Mike got to OU. People suspected him of being a First Rounder as a Freshman. He was playing the wrong position, but had the talent.

      • Josh says:

        I’m not trying to give Coach Mike credit for developing Striker or Colvin but I do think it is completely unfair when people want to give a man all the blame for the bad and no credit for the good. My point was just how far the talent level has fallen from the early and mid 2000s to now. I mean he is a great kid and all but at one point Caleb Gastelum was taking meaningful snaps for this team! Striker and Colvin are the only 2 starters in 2 yrs that could have started on the great Sooners defenses from 2000-2003. That was the point I was making in the last part.

        • Clint Lenard says:

          I’d love to see Mike stick around in some form, but I just look at it like this… what players have you heard say good things about the guy? We hear good things about GA’s, position coaches, etc. – yet I have yet to hear a player say anything about Mike. I’m not a Mike Stoops hater at all. I was happy when he came back and thought this year would be “the year”. Unfortunately, I think time may have caught up with him, or he’s just burned out.

        • JB says:

          I’ve always liked Mike and thought he’d fix the mistakes Venables made in defending pass-happy offenses. BV relied too heavily on zone coverages, and zone coverages will get you burned against a team that can throw the ball well like Baylor. Mike came in and immediately went to heavy man coverage. Our passing D improved drastically, but with no decent DTs left, our run D wasn’t very good. Holgerson took advantage of that using Tavon Austin as an RB…but in spite of his gawdy running stats, OU still won the game.

          Inexplicably, Mike has retreated to zone coverages the majority of the time and we’ve been smoked repeatedly as a result. I disagree about the need to go back to a 4-3 base D, and if Month’s co-DC title has any meaning, his expertise is in the 3-4. I think we’ll see a mix of both in the coming season, but if they just used the 3-4’s attacking advantages, revert to more man coverage packages, they’d be fine.

          Unfortunately, Mike lost his mojo. We saw his inability to recognize what adjustments needed to be made in the beginning of the 3rd quarter when fans started booing Mike. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses and start over. Bob’s not firing Mike, so mediocrity awaits next season.

          • Josh says:

            I don’t want them to return to the 4-3 but they need 3-4 experts if they stay with it next year, its what I’ve coached for years and its what I prefer when going against the spread… more speed on the field.
            I don’t think its hard to figure out why he ran more zone than probably even he prefers. You have to have the CATS to play CAT defense… as in you cover that cat, you cover that cat… Also you have to be able to play zone against Baylor! The amount of Rub routes(offensive PI) that they run will kill you if you stay in man too much.
            They made moves that turned out not to work. JW to corner… GG to OLB but hindsight is 20/20 and its not like Mike was the only person that thought it would work and he just sprung it on everyone.
            Frankly the entire defense lost its MOJO. Again I ask though… What do you call if your Corners get run by when in man coverage or you play zone and your safety is looking in the back field and your lbs can’t seem to remember where they are supposed to go when they read pass?

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            All good points.

          • Chad says:

            Great points. We don’t have the ‘cats’ in the secondary, it is that simple to me. The corners and safeties have to be able to cover the speed they will see against the likes of Baylor & TCU. I hope the new corner and linebacker coaches can really recruit. Not only that, but be able to identify the right kid that it will take to defend these types of offenses. As you mentioned above, Thomas and Byrd are not ideal safeties vs the spread. I hope we can close with Stephens and Patterson. Add that to PJ and Haughton, I think we are on the right track.

    • Hollerback says:

      I think Mike is very good at coaching what he learned, but he hasn’t show the mental capacity to adjust to the game. The game has passed him by at an early age. He reactions to the spread made things worse, his second reaction much worse. Laughably worse.

      • Josh says:

        He made every adjustment that a coach can make… ran every coverage I know. It doesn’t matter what is called if players can’t execute. Look at the TCU game. I promise you at no time did he call a defense where the Deep Safety is supposed to stare into the backfield and let a receiver run free. People gripe because he didn’t press and play man… see Julian Wilson against OSU as his eyes are in the wrong place, misses the jam and the receiver runs right by him for a TD. If the players bust in zone and bust in man what adjustment is there to make?

        • Sam Sherwood says:

          I saw this post on LT and I agree with it. Mike Stoops is not up to the task anymore.

          ———-

          Two examples that sealed my opinion of Mike Stoops abilities:

          1. West Virginia a couple years ago when Tavon Austin ran largely untouched through the OU defense over and over again. Afterwards Mike Stoops said his defense had established their game plan throughout the week and its not something he could change during the game.

          2. When asked if West Virginia had shown the blueprint for stopping Baylor’s offense by blitzing 60% of the time, Mike Stoops said, “well… we’ve got to stay multiple… you’ve got to make them work their way down the field.”
          It was more like “LET” them work their way down the field.

          • Josh says:

            1. WV game was brutal, no denying that. But you can’t change a game plan in the middle of a game really, you just make adjustments. Plus that was at the end of the year, that defense was what it was at that point. Again, look at the talent level of that defense, pretty bad.
            2. Show me a coach that is going to tell a reporter their game plan before a game and I’ll show you a guy that doesn’t coach. I am not saying I agreed with the decision to play off and try to protect your DBs from getting run by but I am pretty sure that is what would have happened had they tried to light up Petty and press.
            I am a Coach Mike homer, first to admit it. But I’ll say it again… Doesn’t matter what you call if players don’t execute and if the talent is not there.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Josh, at what point do you think Mike becomes responsible for the players? This was his third year back, don’t you think he should have had some of his players ready to go by now? I hear what you are saying, but at some point bad player are the result of bad recruiting or bad development. After three years we are getting close to that point, don’t you think?

          • Josh says:

            As the DC he is ultimately responsible for all of the failures of the defense and I think if he hasn’t run out of time yet he is close. I put the lack of recruiting success completely on him right now. Coach Kish is not a successful recruiter and that is his guy. (do you have to say PERIOD if you put one?) Guys like Thomas and Byrd are his guys and need to produce now! Sanchez has done well but as a red shirt sophomore he was not ready to be a # 1 corner. The other thing I put on Coach Mike is development or lack there of. The Sooners didn’t get the 5 star guys his first go around usually but they sure developed them. So I think he has earned all the criticism in the world for recruiting and development and if he loses his job I think that would be why.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Fair enough. If he is not gone this year, then I would say he should be gone next year, if things haven’t markedly improved. You can analyze it all you want, but in the end it is the product on the field that counts.

          • Josh says:

            I’m with you there, as Bob would say, at the end of the day… its about results. Hopefully they get things fixed, if not he should move on.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            Good question. Perhaps Mike is lacking in recruiting and development. There are some players who, in my opinion, are not well suited against spread teams. Not providing names, but some are stiff, don’t have good top end speed, and seem to lack some coverage ability.

            These things, even if you execute the play well from a technical perspective, will contribute to getting beat from time to time. If a WR can simply run by you, even if you execute your responsibility well, then you can’t do much about that.

            It can also contribute to someone with less than optimal physical abilities and skills making defensive plays, provided that they execute the play.

          • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

            Many coaches will say that they make simple adjustments, they don’t change their game plan. “You are who you are” is what we’ll hear.

            These things were mentioned many times, in one way or another, on the behind the scenes coaches shop talk on ESPN2 during the national title game.

          • Sam Sherwood says:

            2. But we did not follow the WV blueprint against Baylor and blitz frequently… that’s the point. Are you telling me WV has the talent to stop Baylor but OU doesn’t? Either way that says we need a better DC.

          • Josh says:

            I am just speculating because obviously I wasn’t involved in any game planning. I think WV thought they had the offensive firepower to win a shootout against Baylor where as OU might not have thought that way. So if WV gave up a quick, easy score no biggie because they can come back or keep up. It isn’t just about one side of the ball when you are making a game plan, or one coach.

          • peeps45 says:

            How many recruiting classes has mike had ? If there is no talent level who recruited them ? The buck stop at Mike .

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      Right. Mike hasn’t lost his technical knowledge. Perhaps he’s got some less than optimal ideas right now. Perhaps he’s hit a point where he needs some help on the back end. Monty has the front end. Bob and Mike, just like Saban, can help in coaching the DBs.

    • Nate Broadus says:

      I would be an advocate for Mike staying if not for one deeply troubling aspect of the defense as the season wound down:

      He lost the team.

      The team gave up on him. just looking at them you could tell they didn’t believe in him, or anything he was trying to sell them. The Julian Wilson sideline argument was the most blatant example.

      Nobody had that fear/respect of Mike that they did in the past (i.e. early Stoops era). If they weren’t jawing back at him (ala Julian Wilson), there walking away from him entirely.

      You can’t have that on a team — not if you need everyone to put in maximum effort for the best results.

      When that happened, it just seemed to be the death knell for Mike at OU. Even if Stoops can’t bring himself to fire Mike and he stays, I’m not certain this defense will improve that much next season. That is, unless elevating Monty to co-DC gives the kids someone to turn to — because it won’t be Mike. It would appear they’re done with him.

      • Josh says:

        I can see how that could be the case. I also know sidelines during games are pretty crazy places especially when things aren’t working out.

    • soonerthunder says:

      I’m not down on MS either as much as some, but will be okay with him getting another job and replacing him at DC. My biggest problem seems to be what Broadus says about losing the team and the way he shouts at players. Not sure he’s using the right approach nowadays, but I could be wrong

      • Josh says:

        Coach Mike is definitely the fire and brimstone kind of coach for sure… works for some kids, doesn’t for others. I know I have never played for or coached with one of those guys that didn’t know his kids well enough to know if it worked or not for them or that wasn’t in the locker room after the game with his arm around the kid he just spent an hour chewing out on the sideline. The camera never catches that part though.

  • Birddawg says:

    Question:
    If mike is moved into a new role..Does he lose his play calling duties and if so do you think monty is ready to call plays?
    Comment:
    Fantastic well written blog.
    Thank you TFB for all that you do!

    • Doobie74OU says:

      JMO but if they move Mike Stoops it is so they can hire another Co-DC/ LBs or DBs coach and he would probably call plays and help mentor Monty!

  • Herman Bubbert says:

    K, been hearing for awhile that Bob is looking for NFL help against the spread, and it might fall at LBs. You heard that?

    • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

      I’m all for NFL LBers playing for OU. That would be greoh you mean NFL coaches…damn.

  • MrBigsby says:

    If Mike is indeed the Co-DC next season, I hope it’s in title only and the real decisions are being made by someone else. Let’s face it, Bob is not firing or demoting his little brother.

    • SamSooner says:

      Well, we don’t know that for sure. It depends on how much you believe in your brother. I’m sure there have been conversations with Mike. If he doesn’t believe he can get it done, then I think Bob will fire Mike.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Depends. Is asking your brother to look for another job, firing him? In a way it is, and I think that has happened. Or if it hasn’t happened, it’s b/c Bob truly believes Mike isn’t the problem. Either way, I don’t see him keeping Mike on the staff if he knows Mike is the problem.

      • MrBigsby says:

        I was talking about “firing” in the true sense of the word. I fully believe that Bob has asked him to seek other employment.

    • Zack says:

      I think mike will do better next year especially with some input from Monty and hopefully the new assistants get to put new ideas into the game plans. I like bjw but I think they needed someone with new ideas.

      • D Hunter Sanchez says:

        The new ideas are simply stay close enough in one on one coverage to contest for the ball, react quicker in your zone, and FREAKIN TACKLE IN SPACE!

      • Josh says:

        I have a tremendous amount of respect for Coach Wright but I am never a fan of having the Jack of all Trades coach really. How many positions did he coach while at OU? I can’t remember what his specialty ever was now that I think about it. DB is so precise and technical I think you really need a guy in there with the expertise to coach these guys at the highest levels especially with the sophisticated systems people are running these days.

      • soonerthunder says:

        I agree. With what happened this yr (losing BJW, perhaps Kish and heup/Norvel) I think would light a fire under him. He’s a competitor, plus with new imput INCLUDING Bob himself. I think BS is going to keep a fire lit under whomever is on D side of the ball. I think he’ll give more freedom to Riley to do what he does than he will the D side.

  • sooner44 says:

    Sorry if this is off topic a bit but I have been hearing there isn’t much if anything going on right now with the stadium expansion/projects and was concerned with the lack of success this past season possible effecting those plans (money raising). Anyone have any info re this?

  • Danny Webb says:

    So with Monty being named the Co D Coordinator, is this a “perceived” demotion of Mike or a fact based demotion? In other words, has Mike’s duties been decreased, or his pay? Or has the only change been a name change? Perceived vs. fact. I read a lot and can speculate very well, but I am not privy to the behind the scenes conversations. So, I am not sure what has actually happened. Sometimes I think K or the other Brainiacs are there listening though. I think that if Mike has been truly demoted, then this will play a very big part of the next coaching hire. If a coach is willing to demote his brother for the on field results, that will send a really big message to the coaching community. On the other hand if mike is demoted in name only…….?

  • SoonerFan11 says:

    I would like to see the LB coach be Kevin Greene or Jim Leavitt….. But thats a pipe dream… I think the only Mike leaves is if he finds a DC job somewhere but I don’t he will leave…. I just hope the position coaches are solid hires….

    • Stephen Dale says:

      11…………..would agree.. don’t think OU will find any program willing to take MS off our hands….really believe the program is stuck with him until Bob retires/ changes jobs / is fired / whatever…………

  • JTrain51 says:

    What’s irritating to me is if in fact Kish is gone and he’s not out recruiting and we’ve put off hiring a db coach and wr coach that’s 3 coaches short out on the recruiting trail. Top that off with the fact that we are rumored to be losing a key piece to this class and a near sure commitment has now been postponed is a little troubling to me and I’m typically a very positive guy.

    • thebigdroot says:

      They usually finish very strong. So glass half full or half empty, depends on how you feel today.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Are you seriously worried about DL recruiting?

      • JTrain51 says:

        Monty is a beast recruiter but he is having to recruit every position now. So yea IF we lose Overton bc we are short staffed that is concerning to me.

        • SoonerfanTU says:

          Last I read Overton was having issues with school/qualifying.

          But don’t let that stop you from forming a different opinion, out of thin air, and running with it.

          • Sooner Ray says:

            Heard the same thing about Overton today, didn’t see that coming.

          • JTrain51 says:

            No reason to get all douchy that’s the “rumors” I read. So if they are wrong they are wrong. I didn’t run with anything I stated it was a rumor. Still doesn’t change the fact that the coaching staff is short handed and for some unknown reason Kish is still on staff with recruiting winding down and 1 linebacker commit.

    • JD says:

      Looks like they went to Nashville too..hopefully they will be talking to Shawn Jefferson although it is likely just his son…hire Shawn and we likely get both Van and Josh Smith and a pretty good wr coach

      • soonerthunder says:

        i not for that.

        • JD says:

          What would be the downside of hiring a wr coach that coaches the same position in the nfl…had coached Megatron…and just happens to have a stud route runner son (that alone should give a little into how good a coach he is) that we are after..not to mention his son is good friends w an ILB that we are after and in desperate need of

    • Indy_sooner says:

      Rivals page shows a visit date of 1/30

  • Soonerfandave84 says:

    Thanks K, Love the way you guys work. Keep it up!

  • Josh says:

    Since this has turned into somewhat of a Defense themed post I wonder if anything will be done in the Big 12 about some of the creative play designs/illegal plays used by primarily K State and Baylor. Specifically is the Big 12 going to address the fact that the OL run blocks down field on pass plays pretty much throughout the game? Just wondering if there was any type of rules committee that meats in an official capacity?

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      The KSU plays were hopefully just bad misses by the refs. Baylor getting away with WRs blocking downfield with passes in the air has been a problem that isnt being addressed and should be.

      • Josh says:

        While watching the Cotton Bowl I noticed Baylor had OL engaged with LBs and would show mesh and Petty would have run/pass option. They called them for Illegal man downfield on one play… dude was like 7 yards downfield. They ran exact same thing next play and got a big gain and it wasn’t called, this time dude was only run blocking 4-5 yds downfield lol.

        • Soonerfandave84 says:

          yeah hard to trust your keys when they say run play and they still get away with throwing the ball

          • boomersooner says:

            I remember, during and after the k st game, some guys saying you still gotta be prepared for it….haha. That’s why they invented the “rule book”. So things that went against it were called “illegal”. And there are these guys called “refs” who get paid to spot “illegal” things

          • Soonerfandave84 says:

            Yeah it happens, I can see a miss or two but letting it go on and on is another thing

          • boomersooner says:

            Yeah. Accountability doesn’t exist anymore I don’t think

          • Soonerfandave84 says:

            Agreed its American culture these days. No one is responsible for their own actions

          • Josh says:

            Yeah there isn’t a way to tell an LB to be prepared for the TE or FB running the a seem route while the guard is also blocking you downfield.

        • Boom says:

          Agreed. To your point, if they are going to call pass interference on anything half way close, then the rules officials need to review some changes. BTW – Big 12 has 8 officials and they never see this or call it.

    • soonerthunder says:

      You are right on. W/o a doubt that’s what makes their Os effective. It cost us the KSU game even w/o making those 3 kicks we win that game if not for those plays. Baylor was addressed somewhat by officials AFTER they beat OU last yr or the yr b/f.

      • Jed says:

        Didn’t Baylor get some of that crap called on them in their bowl game? I remember Art looking like he was dying of dysentery on the sidelines and laughing about it….but I was dying of the flu, so don’t have good memory.

  • Jeff says:

    It would be hard to get a good DC this late in the game

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      It would be an up and comer just like Riley. That would be a slap to Monty IMO

    • JD says:

      Like coaches never change their minds…even Norvelle changed his the first time Bob tried to bring him in

  • Jeremy Phillips says:

    As JD mentioned below. Any chance, even remotely.. that Gundy & Riley are making a pitch to Shawn Jefferson as well as Van..?

  • Tucker says:

    My dad said he heard on the radio that OU is possibly looking at Keenan McCardell (Ex Buccaneer) to take WR Coach position? Sounds like way out in left field to me. Any thoughts?

    • Jeremy Phillips says:

      He coached receivers for the Redskins for a couple years & coached receivers at Maryland this year… Would be an interesting hire..

    • Wilson says:

      now that…would be a exciting hire. If he could transfer is competitive spirit and route running science to our WRs…changing their overall perception of the position to more of the aggressor/playmaker…it would be worth it…but how much of a pipe dream is it ? I would think K Mc would want to go back to the NFL at some point…

    • Jordan Esco says:

      I can’t tell you definitively they aren’t looking at him, but I can tell you the majority of whatever lists you see/hear about have been derived almost entirely off of Cale Gundy’s more recent Twitter follows. Thus, hardly scientific.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Making about $265K at Maryland, so he might like a salary upgrade. Decent pedigree, but I haven’t checked with his coaching success (stats).

  • Christopher Vincent says:

    Thanks for the information on what might happen with both Kish’s & Mike. I hate to see both of them move on, but I believe it is time for them to move on. For replacements I would love to see this defensive staff next year in Norman.

    Co-Defensive Cooridnator/Secondary Coach/Signal Caller: Clancy Pendergast
    Co-Defensive Cooridnator/Defensive Line Coach: Jerry Montgomery
    Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers Coach: Jim Leavitt
    Assistant Secondary Coach: one of Corey Redmond/Terrell Buckley

    That staff would have a good balance of college and NFL experience that would bring instant credibility with recruits. Plus, it would shore up the lacking fundamentals that has been plaguing the defense the past few years.

    • soonerthunder says:

      Wow! You really think that could happen? It would be a great mix. What exactly would Assistant HC do? I get the co-DCs. Really think we have chance at Pendergast?

      • Christopher Vincent says:

        He was up for the LSU job, but passed on it. He was recently linked to Leach,but he hired the safeties coach from Missouri to be his DC. As it currently stands, I believe we would have a very good shot at him if we offered play calling duties & control over the defense.

        As for the Assistant Head Coach, he would be the back up HC if something should happen to Bob,(fingers crossed nothing does). Given his Head Coaching resume where he literally built a program from nothing, he would more than deserve that title. Plus, that title would allow for Coach to pay Leavitt more money to get him to come to Norman.

        I can see it happening because as they stated in their reports that pressure is on Bob about this. I feel coach is buying time to see both Mike & Kish’s get a landing spot,(I don’t agree with it, but I respect him for doing it), and Mike coming back would only increase that pressure.

    • MoJoOkie says:

      Making about $265K at Maryland, so he might like a salary upgrade. Decent pedigree, but I haven’t checked with his coaching success (stats).

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Can’t see Bob (or Boren) giving that title of Associate HC to Leavitt.

      • Christopher Vincent says:

        I could see Coach do it if/when Mike moves on,(which I believe will happen). That title would allow Bob to throw more money at Leavitt to get him to Norman. Also, let’s be honest. Jim has proven his head coaching worth when he built USF up from literally nothing.

        Borden should not have a problem with it either as the issue that got him fired from USF was resolved in the courts,(where the young man in question appeared and took Leavitt’s side), with him being cleared.

        He further proved himself with being in the NFL the past four years & has links to both Stoops & Snyder.

      • SoonerinLondon says:

        Agreed. They’re saving the Associate HC for Planet Mangino.
        (sorry, couldn’t resist)

  • madbrad says:

    Can you guys check on M. Overton not qualifying?

  • Zack says:

    DGB watch. Still no word yet on him declaring unless bob’s statement was his declaration.

    • bjwalker82 says:

      Heard he’s at a training facility in Florida..

    • J Proz says:

      I read somewhere that he was speaking with people from the NFL on how his history will affect him. 50% teams said they would not touch him…….. Sounds like a really good reason to stay at OU and prove his true value and that he has, in fact turned the corner……

      Maybe with new OC hire…..also making him think

      I think I like that senario

    • Soonerfandave84 says:

      Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma

      Dec. 22: OU coaches seek draft input for Green-Beckham
      The take: No one questions Green-Beckham’s talents — he is athletic, big (6-6, 225) and fast (in the 4.4s in the 40), with good hands — but his litany of off-field problems certainly gives pause. OU receivers coach Jay Norvell said he expects the NFL to look “very closely” at all of the receiver’s past troubles. Green-Beckham sat out this season after transferring to OU after he was kicked out of Missouri for numerous off-field issues.

      http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000441570/article/tracking-underclassmen-intentions-for-2015-nfl-draft

    • Jordan Esco says:

      He’s gone. It’s time to move on.

      • ccmosaic says:

        A lot of you say this but, how do we know? Is it just a common conception or has he signed an agent or made a public statement? Or even a behind the doors closed statement?

        • Zack says:

          That’s the mystery of it all is that it seems obvious he’s gone but yet there’s been no statement on his part and it hasn’t been made public that he has an agent.

        • Herman Bubbert says:

          He’s in combine training. He’s outta here.

      • ToatsMcGoats says:

        I understand the question. There hasn’t been any sort of confirmation. I was wondering myself. Not hanging on or even hoping, just wondering.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          There’s really nowhere to find this out officially. People just ran w/ Bob’s comment b/c DGB never put anything out officially. It can certainly be frustrating, but if he was coming back we’d know. Especially since the deadline to declare has now passed.

    • boomersooner says:

      It’ll be interesting to see which side he falls on. Bad grade, no agent and comes back or good to decent grade, hires agent and smell ya

      • soonermusic says:

        Once a player tells Bob he’s leaving, a change of heart on the player’s part doesn’t usually bring him back, from what I’ve seen. Not saying it could never happen, but I wouldn’t assume that it is just up to dgb.at this point, even if as some are speculating the nfl isn’t a done deal. (I suspect it is)

        • boomersooner says:

          i agree. if there was a chance he stayed, probly wouldn’t have heard anything in the presser. just holding out hope since we could use the help

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    That “hiring an NFL coach to fix our D against the spread” makes A LOT of sense to me. I think we’re going to see somebody on the D staff with a recent NFL background, for that very reason.

    Some of the names some of you are throwing out haven’t had any more success against the spread than Mike has.

    I get the feeling if Bob is going to be “forced” into making a bunch of moves, he is going to attempt to bring in some pretty talented guys. The OC hire, while I like it, wasn’t really a wow hire. I bet at least one of the hires going forward is.

    • Easton says:

      A LOT of sense. NFL defenses shut the spread down, at least to the point of letting the offense have a chance at winning the game with 3-4 TD’s. Chip Kelly is great, but he is alos on early vacation.

    • Jeremy Phillips says:

      “wow” “high profile” and “splash” are all buzz words and in the case of hires it’s certainly in the eye of the beholder… while Riley may not have “wowed” you or me, his hire certainly “wowed” the college football media and other coaches… I think the same will be for the potential NFL hires… while they may “wow” us, they may not be so popular amongst the college football industry… bottom line for Bob is just get the right guys, no matter the status… this is basically his last stand…

  • nicjams says:

    What baffles me about Mike’s defenses is that they went from excellent against the pass and terrible against the run to good against the run and terrible against the pass. Hoping he can find the balance this year.

  • Maverick says:

    I’m curious if OU will run hurry-up exclusively under Riley. We basically pioneered it amongst power 5 schools. Then decided running 100 plays on offense gave opposing offenses too many plays.

    Regardless of style, if you can’t stay on the field on offense and can’t get off it on defense, you’re going to lose. Genius right? I know I’m stating the obvious, just trying to point out that scheme is less important than execution.

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      I really think Riley, and OU, want to tailor the offense. Not just year to year, but game to game, and half to half. Maybe be able to do one thing really well (run, or throw it all over the place), but have other things you can do to mix things up (go power formations, run zone read, etc).

      JMO.

    • j l says:

      ECU hit 100 plays a couple times last year. OU averaged only about 73 plays per game this year.
      I think youll see an uptick in tempo.

  • SoonerfanTU says:

    Cordale(sp) Jones (Ohio State QB) likely to announce soon that he is going Pro. Probably not a bad call. Read where he could go as high as the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

    Would love for my Bengals to snatch him up late in the 2nd, or sometime in the 3rd.

    • JD says:

      The only good thing about that (going in 2nd or 3rd) is he will get to sign his second contract a year earlier unless the team franchises him…If he plays a full year like he did in three games he is the top pick and makes considerably more…I could see a team taking him late in the first and getting an extra year out of him but still not top pick money

      • SoonerfanTU says:

        In an ideal world, yes. But he isn’t guaranteed, or even likely, to start next year. And may or may not have the same successes he had in three games this year. Rumor is he asked Urban if he was going to start next year, and if he wasn’t told yes, he was going pro.

        • Clint Lenard says:

          Don’t buy that. Urban Leyer is a snake. He’d say yes to keep the kid there. I’m sure he would’ve used the “God came to me in a dream” speech or something similar…or they’d pray at his house with Aaron Hernandez on a collect call.

        • JD says:

          I must have missed JTs film showing how great he was to overtake that three game awesomeness that I witnessed…that said I’m not sure that type of punishment can last a full season so maybe it is best to cash out at the right time rather than the uncertainty of next season..or not…lol just seen he is coming back

    • SoonerfanTU says:

      Just announced he is staying. Be interesting to see if he or Barrett wins the job last year, assuming Miller isn’t an option. I’m not sure both aren’t better QB’s right now than Miller ever was.

  • boomersooner says:

    sorry. off topic but lunardi moved us down to the 5 line for bracketology. little generous. creighton loss looks worse than it did live. k st will hover over us all yr. some solid wins but texas wasn’t a top 10 team, ucla stinks. i’m not saying we won’t deserve a 5 by the time tourney rolls around but today i wouldn’t give us a 5, i’d go 7 and make us earn it

    • SoonerinLondon says:

      They just have to be ready for March. I don’t know if they are very good, but it only matters to be good in March. (assuming you get in, of course)

      • boomersooner says:

        yeah that’s what i’m hoping for….get hot at the right time

        • SoonerinLondon says:

          Me too. Have to say that they’ve been pretty disappointing, overall, this year. I think they are better, but just haven’t put it together yet.

          • boomersooner says:

            yeah. they keep mentioning that thomas was cowtowing to everybody else to fit in and we needed him to help us score. still seems that way a little. d’s been shaky in spurts lately. effort’s been shaky in spurts too. i just hope they don’t think too highly of boat racing texas and forget there’s still quite a bit of season left. i think we’re good and have a chance to be real good if they play d like their hairs on fire every trip

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Is is March?

      No?

      Don’t care then 😉

      • boomersooner says:

        whoops, didn’t get the memo that all topics had to be cleared before being discussed 🙂

      • SoonerinLondon says:

        This is the EXACT reason I don’t want to expand the football playoff. I don’t want to ever say “it doesn’t matter until December”.

        JMHO

        • Jed says:

          you’re right, but there’s a big difference between 4 or 8 or even 16 and 64.
          Although, for sheer madness, a 64 team football playoff with exactly the same schedule as NCAA would be AWESOME.
          Last team standing would be one salty band of brothers!

      • Maverick says:

        Were you a big basketball fan ever? Just curious, seems like the fans died off after Sampson left never to return.

        Big win over our biggest rival on the road, and then the place is 1/2 full the next game.

        We have such a shitty home court advantage now, and it’s a big deal in CBB.

        • Jordan Esco says:

          I’m a fan of every program at OU. Now do I follow some more closely than others? Of course.

          But to your point, yes, I am very much a b-ball fan. And, yes, there is virtually no such thing as a “home court advantage” at the LNC.

          I hate, hate, hate, that OU fans won’t show up for anything other than football. It sucks. But I’m also learned that you’re hoping against hope if you’re expecting that to change any time soon, sadly.

          • Maverick says:

            Gotcha. Fairly new to TFB and didn’t know your background. I agree.

          • Bob Edwards says:

            Yeah, I went to the games when I still lived in Oklahoma. It was back in the days of Billy Tubbs. It was probably better than today, but there will still a lot of complaints about/from the “opera crowd.” Many of the old season ticket holders almost seemed offended that we made so much noise.

          • Easton says:

            I regard those games watching Billy Tubbs with nostalgia. The giant dog mascot was a nightmare as a very young kid, but the hot dogs, sodas, and Tubbs fuming, good memories.

          • boomersooner says:

            that combover had a mind of its own didn’t it?

          • Easton says:

            It sure did, sure did. What an age, the 1990’s.

  • DCinAZ says:

    Just watched Bob’s end of season presser and I’m not sure why there is further speculation about Mike. Bob was very clear that Mike’s status hasn’t changed with the program and he doesn’t anticipate that it will. He received multiple questions about Mike and said the same thing. Mike isn’t going anywhere.

    • ToatsMcGoats says:

      I’m guessing it was all the interviewing that he (Mike) did. It doesn’t seem as though he is as committed to OU as OU (Bob) is to him.

  • ruasoonerfan2 says:

    Been away from computer all day, anything happened?

  • ruasoonerfan2 says:

    Just heard DT Overton was wavering on commitment, any truth?

  • ruasoonerfan2 says:

    Has DGB declare yet?

    • Defend Colfax says:

      Kish on a 2016 recruit huh? That’s cool..

    • bmrsnr says:

      Somewhat meaningless in regard to his status. Shipp was recruiting Walker and Romar until the end and eventually got the ax.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Is he recruiting or just telling kids that someone will be contacting them in the future?

    • Hotrod33 says:

      Jordan, is there suppose to be something here because I don’t see anything but a blank space.
      Oh, wait, it is Kish’s brain, there is nothing in there. No wonder he can’t recruit.
      Seriously, It is a blank space.

    • ccmosaic says:

      Twitter postings are no longer coming in. All I see is a twitter link.

  • JTrain51 says:

    Well there it is, Kish is out “recruiting.” Unfreakingbelievable

    • DCinAZ says:

      Well….that’s that. OU is a place where failed Stoops brothers and their failed friends go to draw a paycheck free from the rigors of accountability, even if it compromises the program. I expect to have Mark Stoops on staff at the OC position 2 years from now.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      I have to believe that if indeed Kish stays on then Joe C and Bob unfortunately are not 100% committed to winning. That being said. I still believe that Kish is gone.

  • boomersooner says:

    with regards to kish. i will be very grateful when whatever happens happens so that i don’t have to hear about it anymore. the dull ache in my brain from the incessant whining is becoming a nuisance that is rivaled only by said whining

  • D'Brickashaw Ferguson says:

    Tony Jefferson’s recruiting pitch to Braxton Miller… LOL

    https://twitter.com/tonyjefferson1/status/555841790578659328

  • Zack says:

    Why the hell is kish recruiting a 2016 kid?

    • DCinAZ says:

      Only guess is, he failed on all of his 2015 kids and he’s staying so he might as well start failing on his 2016 recruits early. Frequent flyer miles n such…

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Do you really want him on the 2015’s?

      • Zack says:

        Not really. I just would think our 2015 kids would want to know what he’s doing. If they want him out of the way then hire a new linebacker coach. It can’t hurt our status with the 2015 linebackers

  • Sooner Ray says:

    Have the tweet postings disappeared for everyone?

  • Davey says:

    Thank you and we appreciate the information. To a degree I think we all understand the need for discretion. However, if things are already in play, speculation actually turns into information, even if it is wrong. I would rather Dean give wrong info than no info at all. We can all read the headlines two days after it happens. So, the inside scoop is really cool to have, even if it does not turn out to be perfect. It is information and we all trust that you guys are not here to yank our chain. You are in it as deep as we are…livin the BOOM.

  • Daryl says:

    So obviously the hope that Kish is going to be let go is not true! Why and how is he still on this staff? I hate to say anyone should be fired but this guy has just not performed at all in the main thing which is convincing kids to come play at OU. You can’t coach if you don’t have players.

    • Hotrod33 says:

      We don’t hear nothing about Kish on the recruiting trail, then all of a sudden he is going at it again. I guess someone left the closet door unlocked and he escaped. With all the coaches out recruiting and can’t get to him, he decided to go at it alone. Just let him go and get a damn good one.

      • CrimsonGhost says:

        Maybe Monty offered a “how to” seminar to Kish in between visits and landing commits.

  • Fear The Magic says:

    Not sure if its been posted here yet but it according to this site it looks as if DGB has declared for the NFL draft

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000441827/article/unofficial-underclassmen-early-entry-list-for-2015-nfl-draft

  • rphokc says:

    overton…….hate to lose a kid who really wants to be a sooner and I can’t tell from this if the door is shut or what………they’ve stuck with worthy kids before to see if they can make it in….

    ……..http://newsok.com/oklahoma-football-longtime-defensive-tackle-commit-marquise-overton-sooners-might-soon-part-ways/article/5385011?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    • EasTex says:

      What a predicament.
      He wants to be a Sooner and the Sooners want him. The coaches/compliance folks must know much more than we do about his situation and his ability to qualify.
      I can only hope this works out and he comes in, he looks like the real deal as a NG.

      • SamSooner says:

        I’d like to see the coaches say damn the scholarship, we will stick with you. You can’t do this often but once in a while, you have to take a risk.

        If this kid pulls through, he will sweat blood and tears for OU.

        • EasTex says:

          Without knowing all the facts I’m inclined to agree with you, but something about the way this is turning tells me there is more to the story.

    • bmrsnr says:

      do our coaches not like prep school?

  • sooner8 says:

    The Kish Love Fest by Bob is just another bone head mistake!!

  • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

    I would like a detailed dissertation on why Kish can’t recruit or coach. Almost everyone seems to know these two things are true, yet nary a one has provided details.

    I don’t deny that Kish is underwhelming. However, he has snagged some recruits, according to the Rivals database. The detail I’m lacking is the technical performance in games where the LBs missed assignments, gaps, tackles, play calls, and so on.

    This is not a defense of Kish. It’s a request, a question.

    As an attempt at levity, it’s hard to recruit when Monty is getting them all…

    • Steve Johns says:

      I’d prefer a one paragraph response, instead of a feature article.

    • DCinAZ says:

      I routinely see Dom Alexander tackle high at the shoulder pads and drag other players down 5 yards later.

    • Bob Edwards says:

      I think this is in the same category as people “knowing” that Bob forced JH to run the ZR. And that he was the one who would not let TK9 run the ball. Etc. It has been said so many times that people believe it is true. But they have no actual proof.

      Know – To quote Inigo Montoya “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

      • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

        A lot of people “know” a lot. However, when pressed, they fail to convince.

  • JJSoona says:

    This isn’t my first rodeo with OU sports sites. That said, you guys(TFB’s) continue to make me read in awe. My most important preferences in a site are:
    1. Integrity
    2. Candid takes
    3. Great contributing posters
    4. Levity
    5. Great writers
    6. Cost
    Why stray when all of that is right damn here? LOVE this site.

    • OUhomer4life says:

      I have gave up on a few other sites due to the whiners, and the fire Bob Stoops. I am a die hard Sooners fan, and wool be for life win lose our draw. I also think this is a good site, everyone seems to accept, and respect the opinions of others, this is a big plus in my books!

      • OUhomer4life says:

        Sorry about misspelled words, I’ll just blame it on the tablet!

        • EasTex says:

          We have had some of those whiners you described here.
          I’m like you and a whole bunch of others here, been a Sooner fan for most of my life and I always will. I’ve rejoiced during the great years and suffered in silence in the bad ones.
          If you see any malcontents show up here, don’t let them bother you.

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    I was wondering, Jordan, K, or any other Brainiac, if DGB declared today?

  • sooner8 says:

    JJ.don’t give these guys any clue how good they are or they will start wanting major $$$$$$$$$$$

  • sooner8 says:

    I think it is time to move on with DGB and lets try and get the next WR that has DGB talent.OU’s previous WR coach never really could do that.Nice guy but never finished & developed.Go Sooners!!!

  • Don Carmichael says:

    What do ya’ll think about John Humphrey? I hear he’s on campus this semester. Will he be a contributor next season?

    • Bob Edwards says:

      Well he was recruited by Norvell and Kish, so he will probably have 2,000 yards for the season. Then when we lose a game everyone on the Internet will say how stupid Bob was to fire Norvell and Kish (if he leaves). Everyone will then remember how Norvell and Kish were great recruiters and all of our problems stem from getting rid of them.

    • JD says:

      My guess is he will redshirt but he’ll have just as much time in as everybody else with it being a new system so who knows for sure…he’s a little like Westbrook but I like Westbrook better…we’ll have to see what kind of worker he is

    • Zack says:

      I think he will redshirt unless he can put some weight on. Depends on how much he shows he can do after the catch.

      • Don Carmichael says:

        He definitely could use some weight. But being on campus should help with that I’d think. I thought he’d redshirt for sure until I heard he was on campus. I don’t think there’s any question he’ll be able to do a lot after the catch though.

        • Zack says:

          Well we thought the same about Michiah quick this year, Hopefully though

          • Don Carmichael says:

            It’s hard to get yards after the catch when no one’s throwing you balls you can actually catch. Quick showed some promise, I thought.

          • EasTex says:

            Quick seemed nervous early in the year. The last few games he appeared to be more confident. We know he has the tools.

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    Any updates on Overton not being able to qualify? Can JM talk to Dylan Mack or?

  • Gary Robbins says:

    Been out of town. What is the story on Q. Overton of Jenks losing his scholarship.

    • Sooner Ray says:

      Haven’t heard he lost it, just having trouble qualifying. How long you in town? Bobby was going to bring you to the party on new years day but you were gone.

      • Gary Robbins says:

        Still out of town for 3-4 months. Operating a service elevator on a construction site. Q didn’t pass his Act by 2 points (?) and Ou pulled his scholarship and give it to someone else. Story goes that he is really upset.

        • Sooner Ray says:

          May be how it went down, haven’t heard all the details. Bottom line is it’s not hard to pass high school…..may be a sign that he doesn’t have what it takes. Pretty sad.

        • rphokc says:

          …..how did you learn of this?…….did ou definately pull and move on?…there’s no chance of ou taking him?……….thxs

  • D Hunter Sanchez says:

    JM has to get back on the phone. In the past OU hasn’t been so quick to deny a scholarship to a kid who may be on the bubble. Seems like we can get another 4 star DT.

  • ToatsMcGoats says:

    Anyone know who this kid is?

    I have officially received my first college scholarship offer from Oklahoma University!! I give the glory to God

  • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

    Coaching changes:

    Lincoln Riley, every offensive play against Virginia Tech. This is our future offense, probably.

    http://youtu.be/G5-yQ_6aQeQ

    • Easton says:

      Did you do this? No matter what, nice post. I’ll enjoy it.

    • ToatsMcGoats says:

      I saw this a few days ago. I like it, but I like the fact that he tailors his offense to fit his personnel. That is something we haven’t really seen as of late.

    • EasTex says:

      I wonder what his offense would have looked like if he had RBs there like he does now?

    • Don Carmichael says:

      It seems like Riley really would like to incorporate more QB run than most of what I’ve heard indicates. Most of the QBs he recruited at ECU were dual threats. He’s offered a dual threat QB right away after coming to OU. I think a pretty good pocket passer just fell into his lap at ECU, and so we see less running in these videos than we might otherwise. There’s some ZR in this video, but not a lot of pulls. I think, given the right QB, Riley will be able to keep opponents honest with QB run game.

      • JD says:

        I wonder if he recruits the kid from Shawnee that is committed to ECar…bet the kid would be all for that

    • James says:

      I hope and expect that he will run the ball more with our insane riches in the backfield.

    • Fear The Magic says:

      To be honest I was hoping to be way more impressed.
      Watching that all I could think of is that I hope VTech just had way better athletes than ECU because that offense was pretty much doing nothing.

      • L'Carpetron Dookmarriot says:

        They had a good defense that year. However, they did get punked by good/ranked teams. Bama and UCLA thrashed them.

      • Bob Edwards says:

        ECU recruiting ranks for the last five years were in the 70-80 range and VT in the 20-36. I would suggest that VT probably had better players.

      • MoJoOkie says:

        I’m trying to remember who handed ohio state it’s only loss this year.

  • JD says:

    Boy we really have some winner fans (not all of em)…Kish visits a recruit and the recruit tweets it and this guy (whiner) is amazed that Kish leaves his house…this is on a 1617 year old kids twitter feed smh

  • NoahPinion says:

    Anyone have a complete list of recruits visiting this weekend?

  • John Cherry says:

    Does it mean anything that Gundy and Riley were only in Addison TX for 24 mins according to FlightAware?

  • Don Carmichael says:

    Is Eisworth a QB or S offer?

  • ccmosaic says:

    We can only hope that Friday will have a little more action in it than today. Wow it felt like the middle of February today. No real news at all on any front.

    • Jordan Esco says:

      Man, tough crowd. Does anybody else have anything even remotely approaching what K shared above? I know the answer is no b/c I’ve been reading what’s out there.

      • ellisbr says:

        I could be wrong but I think he was talking more about what actually happened yesterday. No new commitments, nothing actually happening with the coaches, stuff like that. the information is great and we always appreciate you guys getting it to us. Just waiting on OU to implement some of what was talked about in the post. Love this site, you guys are awesome

        • Jordan Esco says:

          Fair enough. I get it though. We all want news every day and of course some days will be busier than others. Such is life 🙂

  • M Shuster says:

    I cannot emphasize enough how much I respect the fact that you guys don’t put crap out there just so people will read your material. You are very transparent with the fact that everything you have right now is speculation and speculation only. The current trend in the media is get information out as soon a you can write it down. There is very little care about whether or not the information is actually legit. Your integrity in disseminating information is very much appreciated by me and, from I can tell by reading other posts, by most anyone who reads your posts!