shannon There Has Been A Frank Shannon Update (Sort Of)

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During a caravan stop in Tulsa on Thursday evening, Bob Stoops briefly addressed Frank Shannon’s current status with the Oklahoma football program. In typical Stoops fashion, he didn’t offer up much in the way of details. But that could just as easily be a product of the decision being one, as speculated for some time, that is not his to make, just as much as it was his usual penchant to say very little.

Either way, here is the “update” Stoops provided.

I know, I know, nothing has really changed in the grand scheme of things. However, even if it’s very little and/or no real new information it’s also the first (or one of the few) time Stoops has actually addressed it. So we wanted to get something up just to make sure you all had the latest.

Feel free to now carry on about your day.

 


  • Nate Heupel

    This means that they’re letting him hang around since no criminal charges were pressed, but that the university may still yet have something to say about it.

    • JB

      So what is he accused of? I’ve never heard.

      • JJ

        Uh, non consensual sex… Or atleast the attempt of… ((Polite version )) you can google

        • ND52

          You mean rape?

          • EasTex

            The story was posted almost two months ago at NewsOk.

          • ND52

            @disqus_UrrKRweCfL:disqus

            Yes I know—–I was replying to JJ.

          • JJ

            Nope just paraphrasing

          • EasTex

            I think “misconduct” is the operative word.
            If I’m the University I would want to know why she was in his bedroom.

          • JJ

            Look token girl around this topic… But I have been there, in a bedroom or apartment late like that. Drunk, sober whatever, YOU know what the other person wants. Not condoning his actions, but did she think they were gonna read poetry???

          • EasTex

            She agreed to accept a ride home with a stop along the way, and they wind up in his apartment bedroom. I’m not saying he or she is a bad person, just a whole bunch of bad judgment was on display.
            I have daughters and grand daughters, and I was once a young man known to “bird dog.” There is no crime here, misconduct yes and from my perspective both parties contributed to it.

          • JJ

            Completely agree…

          • lulzer

            And the University may punish him for “misconduct”. Pretty sure that is all Coach is alluding to on this matter.

          • brainpimp

            What misconduct? She isn’t even pressing charges or cooperating.

          • leatherneck1061

            That makes 2 of us. Moreover, the circumstances after the fact (calls to her friend and such) all make it sound like she felt scorned and was trying to get revenge. If he did something wrong, then he should be held accountable. But right now I find her story less than credible.

      • brainpimp

        How can the University do anything to someone for something that is deemed not illegal outside the University?

        • CoachStauder

          Nothing was deemed not illegal, it was just deemed not enough evidence to press charges. Huge difference. The school doesn’t have the same burden of proof and is allowed to use common sense.

          And just to be clear, I’m not saying he should be or shouldn’t be punished by the university.

          • ND52

            @CoachStauder:disqus

            “Huge difference”? You’re either charged with a crime or you’re not. A crime either occurred or it didn’t .

          • CoachStauder

            Plenty of crimes occur every single day that do not result in charges. Your statement is laughable.

          • ND52

            So tell me @CoachStauder:disqus: how is there a crime when even the alleged “victim” declines to press charges?

          • CoachStauder

            Is this a real question? Are you not able to come up with a scenario on your own? People assault each other every day without charges being brought or cops being called. That is a crime, but you don’t press charges.

            Again, my stance is not that he should be punished or not and hasn’t been this whole time if you read what I post. However, to say the university shouldn’t be allowed to investigate and decide if he violated the code of conduct because there weren’t any charges is asinine. ..especially if you say no charges = no crime….of course another point is that a crime doesn’t have to be committed to violate the code of conduct…

          • ND52

            What on earth are you talking about @CoachStauder:disqus? Come up with a scenario———a scenario of what exactly??? A scenario that supports sending this man to prison perhaps? Lol!

            Such faith you have in the American criminal justice system…………………

          • CoachStauder

            Yeah, a scenario of a crime occurring with charges not bein brought forth by the alleged victim …it’s not that hard and it happens all the time. If you honestly say that this doesn’t happen then you are hopeless likely stubborn and blinded by the want to “win” a conversation.

          • ND52

            Awww screw it, let’s just lock him up and throw away the key. I mean, he’s already been convicted in the court of public opinion …………

          • CoachStauder

            You are absolutely incapable of reading and formulating any type of rational thought. My 14 month old has more sense about her than you do.

          • ND52

            @CoachStauder:disqus

            And when you’ve nothing left to add to the discussion at hand (not that you ever did other than pushing your feminist agenda) please follow the yellow line to the section marked “Ad Hominem”.

            Thank you and have a wonderful evening.

          • brainpimp

            Don’t worry, all coachstubby wants to do is argue. you invalidate one position and he just takes up another contrarian position. He is one of those little miss can’t be wrong types.

          • leatherneck1061

            It doesn’t matter if you think a crime may have been committed, there must be sufficient evidence to sustain the charge. All the police had was a case of “he said, she said”. Coach Stauder is simply pointing out that the University is not held to the same burden of proof if they believe something did happen.
            Personally, I still feel this girl’s story is simply not convincing.

          • ND52

            @leatherneck1061:disqus

            It’s ridiculous that the school feels obligated to pick up where the police left off. Especially after the so called “:victim” declines to even press charges.

          • blaster1371

            You are dead wrong. No criminal conviction does not mean no grounds for civil action or non-judiciary action. Example: OJ Simspon. Another, the cops that beat the heck out of Rodney King.

          • ND52

            No I’m not @blaster1371:disqus because I was speaking of criminal matters—–not civil.

          • EasTex

            It seems to me that both Shannon and the young lady showed bad judgment, his for his unwanted action and her being in his bedroom.
            I’m hoping for the best.

          • brainpimp

            ZERO difference. If you can’t prove it there can be no punishment.

            And the second part is exactly the problem. The rape accusation industry they are foisting on universities now is ridiculous.

            Frankly, I would not want my son on a college campus. It’s too risky. At a minimum I my advice would be to tape every encounter.

          • EasTex
          • brainpimp

            What does that mean? Nothing with to do with this.

          • EasTex

            It has everything to do with his situation concerning the University and their policies. Click on it, the full story is there.

          • blaster1371

            That’s the item I keep reading that’s attached to this case. One caveat, the girl who was the “victim” didn’t report the situation, it was her friend. Both of the women have said they wished a police report had not been made. I think the prosecutor chose not to press charges because the woman chose not to cooperate.

          • EasTex

            I agree.
            There is also a federal law called the Cleary Act which requires schools that accept federal money to report any sexual criminal acts to the DOE. While the Act doesn’t apply here, it does have an influence on University policy concerning student sexual misconduct. The last thing they want is to get behind on any further misconduct. Unless there is something we don’t know about Shannon’s conduct since he has been on campus, I’m hoping a stern talking to is the outcome.

          • CoachStauder

            If your son isn’t a scum bag you have nothing to worry about.

            You know as well as I do that proving things in these cases is very, very hard. Doesn’t mean a crime was not committed and doesn’t mean every girl that only has her word against his is a liar. I’m sure you think the ND, FSU and Mizzou incidents are all just girls trying to cry out for attention when they regret a decision right? A girl even committed suicide at Mizzou because of the inaction of the law and the depression that followed a sexual assault.

            And again, I have no clue about Frank’s guilt or innocence, but to say just because enough proof for the law to press charges isn’t present makes him innocent is a fallacy. It just means you can’t prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. He may be innocent, no saying he isnt, but I think the univrest has every right to look into this further.

            I also think it’s naive to think that sexual crimes amongst athletes aren’t a larger issue than what ever comes out. Sure, there are tons of jersey chasers, but theor are still plenty of crimes committed that go unreported or uncharged. It’s a sad reality.

          • brainpimp

            Bullshit, Read this and tell me how up to 25% of all the rape accusation made are false that an innocent male has nothing to worry about. You are wilfully blind if you believe that in the current circumstances.

            http://www.thefire.org/

          • ND52

            @CoachStauder:disqus


            If your son isn’t a scum bag you have nothing to worry about.

            This is the same faulty logic used by the defenders of the NSA’s domestic spying program. Even laughable you might say.


            And again, I have no clue about Frank’s guilt or innocence, but to say just because enough proof for the law to press charges isn’t present makes him innocent is a fallacy.

            Actually—–it does. In the eyes of the law that is. Which is all that really matters.

            Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is a cornerstone of the legal system in this country. The fact that neither the police nor the alleged victim pressed charges just blows your statement away.


            It just means you can’t prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

            That’s not for the police to decide—never has been. it’s up to the jury to decide these matters.

          • brainpimp

            Your opening line really says it all. If you can’t see the utter stupidity in that there is no hope for you.

            I would also like to add, nice change you added. I mention that up to 25% of accusations are false and you then twist that into “all girls”and “every girl”.

            You have also completely expanded my position to include stating that Frank was innocent. I did no such thing. But in our society if you can’t prove that someone is guilty they can’t be treated as guilty.

            The university has zero capacity to find out anything more than the police. They in fact have much less capability to find or investigate anything.

            I also went back and read several of your other posts and you appear to nothing more than an asshole contrarian.

        • JJ

          Student conduct…

          • brainpimp

            And that is my problem. If the police can’t determine that anything wrong can be charged , in what universe can the college to a better or more fair job of determining that the alleged event occurred?

        • JJ

          It’s part of scholarship stipulations, they all have them.

          • soonermusic

            Agree with you, JJ, as well as what Coach Stauder said. And 25% is an extremely high estimate for the number of falsely charged rapes. As is obvious, it is a topic fraught with difficulty, but the general accepted rate is much lower.

          • brainpimp

            No the generally pushed one is much lower and that one is from the group that wants the number to be exceptionally low. Recent NYU study came up with the up to 25% false.

          • soonermusic

            It’s all about methodology and definitions. Studies on this topic need to be carefully looked at for both, before relying upon the results.

            Unable to locate anything about a recent study at NYU, and I’ve never seen reference to it.

            There was a 1996 study of DNA using FBI statistics that came up with a percentage around 25%. In that study they were looking at cases where rape had occurred, but the victim misidentified the perpetrator. In reputable studies that just looked at cases where the “victim” falsely reported that rape occurred, the percentages are much lower.

            Agree to disagree, I guess.

  • Sooner Ray

    At least he’s working out. Keep us informed JE, I really expect to see him playing when season rolls around.

  • Stikboy

    Did he say anything about the offensive linemen that haven’t qualified?

    • Jordan Esco

      He did not, though I don’t believe he was asked about it either.

  • Dana Rogers

    Coach has always been straight up and “working out w/ the team ” sounds positive. Suspect that all there is at this time…

  • AlvinMack55

    The sooner this all gets resolved by the university, the better.

    • EasTex

      Absolutely.
      I also expect the University to conduct itself better than ND or PSU or FSU.

      • AlvinMack55

        Agreed. I’m not worried no matter how this turns out. I hope Frank is playing this fall but Jordan Evans is more than capable of stepping in for him if this thing doesn’t end well. Depth would be the only potential concern.

  • leatherneck1061

    The irony here is that with Jameis Winston the deed actually happened, yet he still continued to play football while a police investigation was ongoing, despite fairly substantial evidence of guilt (injuries to the victim, seamen, etc.). In this case, there was no sexual act, yet Shannon’s future with the team is uncertain? I’m still finding this accusation pretty unpersuasive.

    • EasTex

      Me either, far too many questions as I see it.
      As for the Winston situation, he played, got the highest award possible and a natty.
      Meanwhile the witnesses to his rape got hauled before the university.

  • JJsooner1

    I’d be very surprised if he’s not on the team and playing. He might see a one game suspension for being in the wrong place with the wrong person. Coach will handle this like any other indiscretion. Moral of the story: Keep yourself out of these situations.